From george at metaart.org  Fri Jul  1 15:17:51 2005
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 15:17:51 -0700
Subject: [oak perl] LinuxWorld 2005 in SF
Message-ID: <200507011517.51481.george@metaart.org>

My recollection from when I registered some time ago
is that the price list said
you could get an exhibits only pass for free
until July 8th.

There may well be free passes later
via O'Reilly or someone else.
Then again, who knows.

If you are planning to go,
you might want to register for a free pass soon.
George

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Subject: [oak perl] LinuxWorld 2005 in SF
Date: Friday 24 June 2005 11:43 am
From: George Woolley <george at metaart.org>
To: oakland at pm.org

Link:
http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO05A


For LinuxWorld 2005 in San Francisco,
how about?:
   meet up time: 2pm
   meet up date: Tuesday, August 9, 2005
   meet up place: O'Reilly booth #818 (1st floor)
   activities:
      * meet
      * say hi to Marsee (if there)
      * visit various booths
   TMTOWTDI: go your own way at any time

Let me know if you plan to meet us there. <<<


Notes
-------
* This year the O'Reilly booth
  is the midst of many interesting booths.


_______________________________________________
Oakland mailing list
Oakland at pm.org
http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland

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From george at metaart.org  Fri Jul  1 15:52:38 2005
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 15:52:38 -0700
Subject: [oak perl] Request for Feedback on Random Geek Humor
Message-ID: <200507011552.38498.george@metaart.org>

References:
* Random Geek Humor
Go to http://www.metaart.org/camelot/
and click on Random Geek Fun
* Perl & Geek Humor Meeting.
http://camelot.schtuff.com/gw_notes_for_perl_humor_meeting
[has many links to be added to Random Geek Humor.]

If you have time and inclination,
I request you try Random Geek Humor
(See first reference above.),
and give me feedback.
The feed back I'm expecting is things like:
(1) add a link to ...
(2) drop the link to ...
But if you have other feedback, cool!
George



From george at metaart.org  Fri Jul  1 16:12:52 2005
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 16:12:52 -0700
Subject: [oak perl] Giveaways for July Meeting
Message-ID: <200507011612.52874.george@metaart.org>

Links:
* a review of "Perl 6 and Parrot Essentials"
http://www.metaart.org/opug/reviews/perl62.html
* Make
http://www.makezine.com/

What I have so far is
* a copy of "Perl 6 and Parrot Essentials"
  (fitting, yes?)
* copies of Make 02
See links above.

If you have something for the Giveaway,
bring it along.
George

July Meeting Announcement
Cut & paste from our website
.......................................
Next meeting
    * when: 1-3pm, Saturday, July 9th
    * where: Grand Lake Neighborhood Center
      530 Lake Park Ave., Oakland CA
    * directions: [link to] directions and ascii map
    * topic: Perl 6
    * activities:
          o introductions
          o giveaways
          o lightning talks, discussion
          o ...
    * who: open to anyone interested.
    * how much: no fee for our meetings.
      However, the neighborhood center would appreciate (but does not require) 
a donation of $1 per person for the use of their space.
    * RSVP: is a big help to me but is not required.


From george at metaart.org  Sat Jul  2 16:40:24 2005
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 16:40:24 -0700
Subject: [oak perl] Next Oakland.pm Meeting: 1-3pm, Sat. July 9
Message-ID: <200507021640.24794.george@metaart.org>

cut & paste from Oakland.pm site
at   http://oakland.pm.org/
......................................................
Next meeting
    * when: 1-3pm, Saturday, July 9th
    * where: Grand Lake Neighborhood Center
      530 Lake Park Ave., Oakland CA
    * directions: [link to] directions and ascii map
    * topic: Perl 6
    * activities:
          o introductions
          o giveaways
          o lightning talks, discussion
          o ...
    * who: open to anyone interested.
    * how much: no fee for our meetings.
      However, the neighborhood center would appreciate (but does not require) 
a donation of $1 per person for the use of their space.
    * RSVP: is a big help to me but is not required.


From extasia at extasia.org  Mon Jul  4 17:30:22 2005
From: extasia at extasia.org (David Alban)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 17:30:22 -0700
Subject: [oak perl] [sig-beer-west] Saturday 7/09 at 18:00 in San Francisco
Message-ID: <20050705003022.GA4341@gerasimov.net>

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sig-beer-west[1]

Saturday, July 09, 2005 at 18:00[2]
San Francisco Bay area

Beer.   Mental stimulation.

Please note that SBW events are moving to the second Saturday of each
month beginning July 2005.

     [1] http://extasia.org/sig-beer-west/
     [2] http://www.spacearchive.info/military.htm

This event:
  * Saturday, 7/09/2005, 18:00, at The Crow Bar[3], San Francisco (North
    Beach)

     [3] http://tinyurl.com/8dzne

Coming events (second Saturdays): 
  * Saturday, 08/13/2005, 18:00, Jupiter, Berkeley
  * Saturday, 09/10/2005, 18:00, location to be determined 
  * Saturday, 10/08/2004, 18:00, location to be determined

The San Francisco Bay area's next social event for techies and their
friends, sig-beer-west, will take place at 18:00 on Saturday, July 09,
2005 at The Crow Bar, 401 Broadway, San Francisco.  Phone:
415-788-2769. Map:  http://tinyurl.com/73vlm

The Crow Bar on the web:

Citysearch - Giancarlo Davis[4]

North Beach's token black sheep plays host to rock-and-rollers,
bikers and other roustabouts looking to avoid trendy cocktail
lounges. Editorial Rating: Recommended

The Scene: Crow Bar is dark, a bit dingy and hardly self-conscious.
Barflies here would rather sit around listening to the Descendants,
Kiss or the Clash than succumb to boogie fever at one of the various
neighboring dance clubs. If the bar's too full (usually on weekends),
challenge any of the rugged denizens to a game of pool in the back.

The Draw: Those who swill beer, bourbon or any beverage beginning with
the word "Glen" will find the extensive drink menu delightful. The
friendly bartenders are willing to share their extensive knowledge of
various Scotch and Irish potables, and are even happier to get you
drunk on the stuff. The jukebox is first rate.

Know Before You Go: This cash-only bar has an in-house ATM machine.

::un.official.guide::[5]

Crow Bar is most accurately described as a biker bar that attempts to
fend off the North Beach yuppies. Still, you will like the pool tables
and abundance of seats.

SF Gate - Josh Wilson [6]

Located at the perplexing intersection between North Beach's legacy of
jazz and poetry and its present reality of fine dining and strip
clubs, the Crow Bar is a real oasis, combining a casual demeanor with
just the right amount of grunge and exotica. Just what you'd expect
from a good neighborhood bar that's right around the corner from both
Vesuvio's and the Lusty Lady. Numerous tables make it a fine spot for
huddling with pals, with two pool tables and a very rockin' jukebox to
round things out.

San Francisco Bay Guardian - Marke B.[7]

Friendly and down-to-earth, the Crow Bar offers young, no-frills
locals a safe haven from the stuffy North Beach fine-dining scene as
well as the flashing lights of the bar's Broadway strip-club
neighbors. The lighting is dim, the prices are reasonable, and it's
worth visiting solely for the amazing selection of punk rock on the
jukebox. There are plenty of tables to hang out at and plenty of
people congregating around the pool tables. Meanwhile, the lone air
hockey table overlooks the whole bar from an elevated platform, its
blue surface glimmering beneath the giant crow outlined on the wall.
The crow is the new symbol for the air hockey revolution.

Everyone is welcome at this event. We mean it! Please feel free to
forward this information and to invite friends, cow-orkers[8], and
others (of legal drinking age) who might enjoy lifting a glass with
interesting folks from all over the place.

Can't come this month? Mark your calendar for next month.  (Do it now
before you forget!)  sig-beer-west occurs on the second Saturday of
each month.

Want to suggest a venue?  Suggestions for new places to sip and gab
are always welcome.  Have questions, comments, or other ideas
concerning sig-beer-west?  Send all correspondence to the current
sig-beer-west Instigator.  The Instigator's handle is extasia. The
Instigator's email address is <*the handle*> at <*the handle*> dot
<*org*>.  A subject beginning with "sbw: " will increase the chances
that the Instigator's spam filters don't block your message.

     [4] http://sanfrancisco.citysearch.com/profile/917792/san_francisco_ca/crow_bar.html
     [5] http://techdev.stanford.edu:8080/unofficial/town.html
     [6] http://sfgate.com/eguide/music/barguide/neighborhood.shtml
     [7] http://www.sfbg.com/39/10/cover_bars_new_clubs_list.html
     [8] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow-orker

sig-beer-west FAQ

1.  Q: Your announcement says "techies and their friends".  How do I
       know if I'm a techie, or a friend of one?
    A: Well, actually, you don't have to be a techie to attend.  You
       just  have  to  be able to find the sig-beer-west sign at this
       month's event.  That's it.   Simple, huh?

2.  Q: I'm not really a beer person. In fact I'm interested in
       hanging out, but not in drinking. Would I be welcome?
    A: Absolutely! The point is to hang out with fun, interesting
       folks.  Please do join us.

3.  Q: I've been thinking about attending sig-beer-west for some time
       now. Maybe I should start with this event?
    A: Yes!!
______________________________________________________________________

sig-beer-west was started in February 2002 when a couple Washington,
D.C. based systems administrators who moved to the San Francisco Bay
area wanted to continue a dc-sage tradition[9], SIG-beer, which is
described in sig-beer.NET[10] web space as:

  SIG-beer, n., origin lost to intoxication:

   1. Special Interest Group - Beer!
   2. An Interprocessor Communications (IPC) signal that should be
      implemented in every O/S kernel. Semantics are left to the
      hardware driver for the Robotic Drinks Server. Expected behavior
      is that kill -beer <pid>
   3. A standing monthly gathering of systems administrators,
      past/present/future, and their ilk in Washington, DC. and other
      worldwide locations. These gathering consists of a friendly
      gathering of people who enjoy tasting/drinking interesting beer
      and chatting about computers, life, and how to implement the
      SIG-beer into their systems. It started with a group of
      dc.sage[11] sysadmins some time in 1997.

  [9] http://www.dc-sage.org/
  [10] http://www.sig-beer.net/
  [11] http://www.dc-sage.org/
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From george at metaart.org  Tue Jul  5 21:23:05 2005
From: george at metaart.org (Jaurja Wuullai)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 21:23:05 -0700
Subject: [oak perl] Goli 9 Ueklemt:bn Naadymj
Message-ID: <200507052123.05666.george@metaart.org>

Anyone: What's this?


From george at metaart.org  Tue Jul  5 21:23:22 2005
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 21:23:22 -0700
Subject: [oak perl] Data Munging with Sprog
Message-ID: <200507052123.22720.george@metaart.org>

Link:
http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2005/06/23/sprog.html

interesting link from Wellington.pm list.
Data munging without writing code.


From george at metaart.org  Tue Jul  5 21:24:14 2005
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 21:24:14 -0700
Subject: [oak perl] Is programming an art?
Message-ID: <200507052124.14689.george@metaart.org>

Link:
http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2005/06/30/artofprog.html

interesting link from O'Reilly Network Newsletter.


From mark at bincomputing.com  Wed Jul  6 14:13:46 2005
From: mark at bincomputing.com (Mark Bole)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 14:13:46 -0700
Subject: [oak perl] LinuxWorld 2005 in SF
In-Reply-To: <200506251956.33876.george@metaart.org>
References: <200506241143.01261.george@metaart.org>	<1119728497.42bdb37168340@webmail.rawbw.com>
	<200506251956.33876.george@metaart.org>
Message-ID: <42CC498A.1050404@bincomputing.com>

I've got it on my calendar as well, only a day or two left to get a free 
exhibition pass.

George Woolley wrote:

>Michael:   OK, I've created a list for that
>and put you on it as probably.
>
>All:   Anyone else?
>
>On Saturday 25 June 2005 12:41 pm, Michael Paoli wrote:
>  
>
>>Sounds like a plan - pencil me in ... I'll probably be able to make it.
>>
>>Quoting George Woolley <george at metaart.org>:
>>    
>>
>>>For LinuxWorld 2005 in San Francisco,
>>>how about?:
>>>   meet up time: 2pm
>>>   meet up date: Tuesday, August 9, 2005
>>>   meet up place: O'Reilly booth #818 (1st floor)
>>>Let me know if you plan to meet us there. <<<
>>>      
>>>

-- 
Mark Bole
http://www.bincomputing.com
925-287-0366




From george at metaart.org  Fri Jul  8 14:46:29 2005
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 14:46:29 -0700
Subject: [oak perl] Laptop w/wireless at July Meeting?
Message-ID: <200507081446.29963.george@metaart.org>

The situation:
Our meeting place is a DSL hot spot.
I have the notes for my talk tomorrow 
on a wiki on the internet,
but I don't have a suitable laptop to bring 
to the meeting.

request:
Is someone willing and able 
to bring a laptop with wireless
and let me access my notes with it?

fallback:
Not to worry,
I can get by OK without such access.
George


From george at metaart.org  Fri Jul  8 14:56:15 2005
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 14:56:15 -0700
Subject: [oak perl] Fwd: Newsletter from the O'Reilly UG Program, July 8
Message-ID: <200507081456.16023.george@metaart.org>

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***Top Ten Questions People Ask About Switching to Internet Telephones
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***Anti-spam Techniques
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***Hacking Maps
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***ESR: "We Don't Need the GPL Anymore"
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***Problems in OpenSSH, Sudo, and Java
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***Music Gadgets
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***Tweaking Tiger Mail
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***Is This Security Alert Really from Microsoft?
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http://www.windowsdevcenter.com/pub/a/windows/2005/07/05/scripting.html


***Atlas: Microsoft's Answer to Ajax
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***Generics in .NET 2.0
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***Getting Your Bluetooth Headset to Work in XP
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***Java City: The Java Enterprise Ecosystem
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***Getting Started with Maven
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***Seven Steps to Noise-Free Digital Audio
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Based on "Digital Audio Essentials" by Bruce and Marty Fries.
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***The Ultimate Portable Studio
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***MAKE: Audio--Interview with John Maushammer
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From george at metaart.org  Sat Jul  9 17:34:23 2005
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 17:34:23 -0700
Subject: [oak perl] Future Meetings
Message-ID: <200507091734.23952.george@metaart.org>

At the July meeting,
we did some more planning of future meetings.

The topics by month now appear to be:
   August:   Modules (whatever about any module you wish)
   September:   Perl (and related) humor
   October:   PHP
   November:   OO


From george at metaart.org  Sat Jul  9 18:34:24 2005
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 18:34:24 -0700
Subject: [oak perl] Future Meetings > Short Talk?
In-Reply-To: <200507091734.23952.george@metaart.org>
References: <200507091734.23952.george@metaart.org>
Message-ID: <200507091834.24867.george@metaart.org>

Anone up for giving a short talk
on any of the topics listed below?

===================================
On Saturday 09 July 2005 5:34 pm, George Woolley wrote:
> At the July meeting,
> we did some more planning of future meetings.
>
> The topics by month now appear to be:
>    August:   Modules (whatever about any module you wish)
>    September:   Perl (and related) humor
>    October:   PHP
>    November:   OO
>
> _______________________________________________



From george at metaart.org  Tue Jul 12 23:16:06 2005
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 23:16:06 -0700
Subject: [oak perl] Is Perl Still Relevant?
Message-ID: <200507122316.06439.george@metaart.org>

link to interesting response to that question
  + interesting comments

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Ask Tim: Is Perl Still Relevant?
With the emergence of .NET, J2EE, Python, PHP, et. al, has Perl lost its
niche as a scripting glue language? Tim O'Reilly comments.

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From george at metaart.org  Fri Jul 15 19:07:08 2005
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 19:07:08 -0700
Subject: [oak perl] Short Talk on Module of Your Choice?
Message-ID: <200507151907.08104.george@metaart.org>

The topic for the August meeting is "Modules".
Who is willing to give a short talk 
on some particular module?

..............................................
cut & paste from our website
http://oakland.pm.org/
..............................................
Next meeting
    * when: 1-3pm, Saturday, August 13th
    * where: Grand Lake Neighborhood Center
      530 Lake Park Ave., Oakland CA
    * directions: [link to] directions and ascii map
    * topic: modules
    * activities:
          o introductions
          o giveaways
          o lightning talks, discussion
          o LinuxWorld Recap
          o ...
    * who: open to anyone interested.
    * how much: no fee for our meetings.
      However, the neighborhood center would appreciate (but does not require)    
      a donation of $1 per person for the use of their space.
    * RSVP: is a big help to me but is not required.


From george at metaart.org  Tue Jul 19 18:04:24 2005
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:04:24 -0700
Subject: [oak perl] Useful Article
Message-ID: <200507191804.24043.george@metaart.org>


Reference to Article:
"Ten Essential Development Practices" by Damian Conway
http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2005/07/14/bestpractices.html



From george at metaart.org  Thu Jul 21 10:54:49 2005
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:54:49 -0700
Subject: [oak perl] Fwd: [pm_groups] [mjd@plover.com: Lightning talks
	deadline extended]
Message-ID: <200507211054.49151.george@metaart.org>

Anyone going to the OSCON this year? 

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To: pm_groups at pm.org

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From: Mark Jason Dominus <mjd at plover.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 07:56:51 -0400
Subject: Lightning talks deadline extended
To: pm_groups-owner at pm.org


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From george at metaart.org  Fri Jul 22 18:35:56 2005
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:35:56 -0700
Subject: [oak perl] Fwd: Newsletter from O'Reilly UG Program, July 22
Message-ID: <200507221835.56298.george@metaart.org>


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From mp at rawbw.com  Sat Jul 23 05:14:25 2005
From: mp at rawbw.com (Michael Paoli)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 05:14:25 -0700
Subject: [oak perl] Free LinuxWorld Exhibits Pass,
	on or before 2005-08-07 use ...
Message-ID: <1122120865.42e234a11f9fe@webmail.rawbw.com>

Free LinuxWorld Exhibits Pass, on or before 2005-08-07 use ...

I managed to find/"stumble"* across this:
Free LinuxWorld Exhibits Pass, use on or before 2005-08-07 ...
Priority Code B0401
or
Priority Code NONE

Exhibits Pass gets you:
Includes 3 days of Exhibits:
http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO05A/exposition
Keynotes and Feature Presentations:
http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO05A/keynotes
Birds-of-a-Feather Meetings:
http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO05A/conference/special

Gee, I thought I'd found something more interesting/useful with Priority
Code B0401, but also looks like Priority Code NONE will still get you a
free Exhibits Pass through 2005-08-07.

Apparently, for these Priority Codes to get you free access, it must be
used on or before 2005-08-07, and it may be the case it only works for
the on-line registration (I'd guestimate if not at this point, that
soon, advance on-line registration won't result in badges and such
being sent out, but held for pick-up at the event, likely in a
pre-registered badge pick-up area (and one probably needs corresponding
ID to pick up the badge - pretty much post 2001-09-11 ID is required
anyway to pick up the required badge holder, even if the badge is
mailed to you in advance)).

Also, Bay Area Debian (BAD):
http://bad.debian/net
will be meeting August 10, 2005 starting at 7:00 P.M. PDT:
http://bad.debian.net/list/2005-July/002951.html
including keysigning:
http://bad.debian.net/list/2005-July/002952.html
quite shortly after the conclusion of and conveniently close to the
2005-08-10 LinuxWorld Birds-of-a-Feather Meetings


LinuxWorld Conference and Expo
http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/

August 8-11 2005, The Moscone Center, San Francisco, CA
http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO05A
San Francisco Online Attendee Registration:
http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/register///CC961706

Exposition August 9-11 2005
http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO05A/exposition
Exhibitor List (includes .org Pavilion organizations/groups)
http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO05A/exposition/exhibitorlist
.org Pavilion
http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO05A/exposition/CC999813

Keynotes and Feature Presentations
http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO05A/keynotes

Birds-of-a-Feather Meetings
http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO05A/conference/special


*find/"stumble":
I started with some Google searches for priority code(s) that might
still be good for free Exhibits Pass, after some false positives (but
long before giving up on probable search results), I searched
backwards, case insensitive, for the string "priority code" in my
e-mail ... first one I came across (B0401) worked.  Oddly, when I
looked to see what e-mail that was in, it wasn't even for LinuxWorld,
but for another IDG World Expo event.  Then I also tried "NONE", and to
my surprise, that seemed to also cover free Exhibits Pass through
2005-08-07 (whereas I was expecting "NONE" to only work for that for
free through 2005-07-15).

From george at metaart.org  Sat Jul 23 16:11:12 2005
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 16:11:12 -0700
Subject: [oak perl] LinuxWorld?
In-Reply-To: <1122120865.42e234a11f9fe@webmail.rawbw.com>
References: <1122120865.42e234a11f9fe@webmail.rawbw.com>
Message-ID: <200507231611.12450.george@metaart.org>

Thanks, Michael.

There are six positive responses for the LinuxWorld outing
so far.

Anyone else?
g

----------  Forwarded Message  ----------

Subject: [oak perl] LinuxWorld 2005 in SF
Date: Friday 24 June 2005 11:43 am
From: George Woolley <george at metaart.org>
To: oakland at pm.org

Link:
http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO05A


For LinuxWorld 2005 in San Francisco,
how about?:
   meet up time: 2pm
   meet up date: Tuesday, August 9, 2005
   meet up place: O'Reilly booth #818 (1st floor)
   activities:
      * meet
      * say hi to Marsee (if there)
      * visit various booths
   TMTOWTDI: go your own way at any time

Let me know if you plan to meet us there. <<<


Notes
-------
* This year the O'Reilly booth
  is the midst of many interesting booths.
_______________________________________________

===========================================================
On Saturday 23 July 2005 5:14 am, Michael Paoli wrote:
> Free LinuxWorld Exhibits Pass, on or before 2005-08-07 use ...
>
> I managed to find/"stumble"* across this:
> Free LinuxWorld Exhibits Pass, use on or before 2005-08-07 ...
> Priority Code B0401
> or
> Priority Code NONE
>
> Exhibits Pass gets you:
> Includes 3 days of Exhibits:
> http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO05A/exposition
> Keynotes and Feature Presentations:
> http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO05A/keynotes
> Birds-of-a-Feather Meetings:
> http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO05A/conference/special
>
> Gee, I thought I'd found something more interesting/useful with Priority
> Code B0401, but also looks like Priority Code NONE will still get you a
> free Exhibits Pass through 2005-08-07.
>
> Apparently, for these Priority Codes to get you free access, it must be
> used on or before 2005-08-07, and it may be the case it only works for
> the on-line registration (I'd guestimate if not at this point, that
> soon, advance on-line registration won't result in badges and such
> being sent out, but held for pick-up at the event, likely in a
> pre-registered badge pick-up area (and one probably needs corresponding
> ID to pick up the badge - pretty much post 2001-09-11 ID is required
> anyway to pick up the required badge holder, even if the badge is
> mailed to you in advance)).
>
> Also, Bay Area Debian (BAD):
> http://bad.debian/net
> will be meeting August 10, 2005 starting at 7:00 P.M. PDT:
> http://bad.debian.net/list/2005-July/002951.html
> including keysigning:
> http://bad.debian.net/list/2005-July/002952.html
> quite shortly after the conclusion of and conveniently close to the
> 2005-08-10 LinuxWorld Birds-of-a-Feather Meetings
>
>
> LinuxWorld Conference and Expo
> http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/
>
> August 8-11 2005, The Moscone Center, San Francisco, CA
> http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO05A
> San Francisco Online Attendee Registration:
> http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/register///CC961706
>
> Exposition August 9-11 2005
> http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO05A/exposition
> Exhibitor List (includes .org Pavilion organizations/groups)
> http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO05A/exposition/exhibitorl
>ist .org Pavilion
> http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO05A/exposition/CC999813
>
> Keynotes and Feature Presentations
> http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO05A/keynotes
>
> Birds-of-a-Feather Meetings
> http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO05A/conference/special
>
>
> *find/"stumble":
> I started with some Google searches for priority code(s) that might
> still be good for free Exhibits Pass, after some false positives (but
> long before giving up on probable search results), I searched
> backwards, case insensitive, for the string "priority code" in my
> e-mail ... first one I came across (B0401) worked.  Oddly, when I
> looked to see what e-mail that was in, it wasn't even for LinuxWorld,
> but for another IDG World Expo event.  Then I also tried "NONE", and to
> my surprise, that seemed to also cover free Exhibits Pass through
> 2005-08-07 (whereas I was expecting "NONE" to only work for that for
> free through 2005-07-15).
> _______________________________________________



From PaulGerken at compuserve.com  Sun Jul 24 10:10:19 2005
From: PaulGerken at compuserve.com (Paul Gerken)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 10:10:19 -0700
Subject: [oak perl] ?? Include.H  in PERL??
Message-ID: <NHBBJEFKIKJEKECABFLNOEHACNAA.PaulGerken@compuserve.com>

Hi all,

In Perl, what is the equivalent of the C/C++ 
#include <zzzz.h>

When using the Class::Struct module,
should all of the Struct-s be placed in a "zzzzh.pm" program?
Or should the Struct-s be put in the creating program?

I envisage 4-5-6 programs in this project suite which I am 
doing for my own edification of Perl.
e.g. Main.pm,  File.pm,  Table.pm,  Data.pm,  Catalog.pm, ...
Should there also be a Structs.pm?

tkx, Paul


From mark at bincomputing.com  Sun Jul 24 12:14:49 2005
From: mark at bincomputing.com (Mark Bole)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 12:14:49 -0700
Subject: [oak perl] ?? Include.H  in PERL??
In-Reply-To: <NHBBJEFKIKJEKECABFLNOEHACNAA.PaulGerken@compuserve.com>
References: <NHBBJEFKIKJEKECABFLNOEHACNAA.PaulGerken@compuserve.com>
Message-ID: <42E3E8A9.8010507@bincomputing.com>

The "require" function is probably closest to the cpp (C pre-processor) 
directive #include, although it happens at run-time, not compile time.

You can get around that by using:

BEGIN { require 'zzzz.h'; }

but it still doesn't know how to search @INC automatically.

But if you are creating modules, then use "use" instead of "require".

-- 
Mark Bole
http://www.bincomputing.com
925-287-0366


Paul Gerken wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>In Perl, what is the equivalent of the C/C++ 
>#include <zzzz.h>
>
>When using the Class::Struct module,
>should all of the Struct-s be placed in a "zzzzh.pm" program?
>Or should the Struct-s be put in the creating program?
>
>I envisage 4-5-6 programs in this project suite which I am 
>doing for my own edification of Perl.
>e.g. Main.pm,  File.pm,  Table.pm,  Data.pm,  Catalog.pm, ...
>Should there also be a Structs.pm?
>
>tkx, Paul
>
>_______________________________________________
>Oakland mailing list
>Oakland at pm.org
>http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland
>
>
>  
>



From jseidel at edpci.com  Sun Jul 24 17:51:42 2005
From: jseidel at edpci.com (Jon Seidel, CMC)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:51:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [oak perl] ?? Include.H  in PERL??
In-Reply-To: <NHBBJEFKIKJEKECABFLNOEHACNAA.PaulGerken@compuserve.com>
References: <NHBBJEFKIKJEKECABFLNOEHACNAA.PaulGerken@compuserve.com>
Message-ID: <52638.63.192.200.250.1122252702.squirrel@www.linuxis.net>

The 'use' construct by which you include a Perl module.

There are others,  but this is the basic one.

...jon

> Hi all,
>
> In Perl, what is the equivalent of the C/C++
> #include <zzzz.h>
>
> When using the Class::Struct module,
> should all of the Struct-s be placed in a "zzzzh.pm" program?
> Or should the Struct-s be put in the creating program?
>
> I envisage 4-5-6 programs in this project suite which I am
> doing for my own edification of Perl.
> e.g. Main.pm,  File.pm,  Table.pm,  Data.pm,  Catalog.pm, ...
> Should there also be a Structs.pm?
>
> tkx, Paul
>
> _______________________________________________
> Oakland mailing list
> Oakland at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland
>



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From skolupae at sonic.net  Mon Jul 25 13:46:03 2005
From: skolupae at sonic.net (Stephen Kolupaev)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:46:03 -0700
Subject: [oak perl] ?? Include.H  in PERL??
In-Reply-To: <NHBBJEFKIKJEKECABFLNOEHACNAA.PaulGerken@compuserve.com>
References: <NHBBJEFKIKJEKECABFLNOEHACNAA.PaulGerken@compuserve.com>
Message-ID: <1122324363.3584.172.camel@pier>

Hi Paul,

> In Perl, what is the equivalent of the C/C++ 
> #include <zzzz.h>

I'd say the 'use' statement is probably the
most appropriate.

   use Xxx;

means go find the file Xxx.pm and load it (i.e. execute it) before executing any 
statements in your main program.


> When using the Class::Struct module,
> should all of the Struct-s be placed in a "zzzzh.pm" program?
> Or should the Struct-s be put in the creating program?

I'd start with the Structs in the main program.  Check the example in 
   
  http://search.cpan.org/~nwclark/perl-5.8.7/lib/Class/Struct.pm,

near the string "had two kittens".   If the number of Structs 
increases greatly, or they become old hat, 
then figure out how to put their definitions into an external modules.    
Start small!

> I envisage 4-5-6 programs in this project suite which I am 
> doing for my own edification of Perl.
> e.g. Main.pm,  File.pm,  Table.pm,  Data.pm,  Catalog.pm, ...
> Should there also be a Structs.pm?

Paul, not knowing what you have in mind,
you might consider leaving out Main.pm, File.pm, Data.pm.  
That would keep things simpler in the beginning.    I've written
a lot of OO-Perl and read classes written by real experts, and 
don't remember seeing a Main.pm, File.pm, or Data.pm.    

In my work, "main code" goes in the top level, outermost .pl 
file of an application.    I often use class IO::File to get
file handles for read and write, but never create a File class per se.  

Occasionally I'll write an object which reads and parses a file, 
and then answers method calls according to the content of the file.  
In such a case, I'll name the class
after what the data in the file means to the application.  

Hope this helps,
Steve Kolupaev
 
  





From mark at bincomputing.com  Mon Jul 25 18:15:16 2005
From: mark at bincomputing.com (Mark Bole)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:15:16 -0700
Subject: [oak perl] ?? Include.H  in PERL??
In-Reply-To: <1122324363.3584.172.camel@pier>
References: <NHBBJEFKIKJEKECABFLNOEHACNAA.PaulGerken@compuserve.com>
	<1122324363.3584.172.camel@pier>
Message-ID: <42E58EA4.9040407@bincomputing.com>

> Stephen Kolupaev wrote:
> [...]
>
>   use Xxx;
>
>means go find the file Xxx.pm and load it (i.e. execute it) before executing any 
>statements in your main program.
>  
>

"use" has a little more baggage than that, it also tries to import into 
your namespace.  Which is why "require" is the closest to the C 
pre-processor  directive "#include" (the original question).

I agree that if you are creating modules, "use" is the way to go.  I 
also agree that the use of separate Main.pm, File.pm, Data.pm, etc. 
modules is not something I've ever seen, or had to do myself.

The docs say you can also do:

use Xxx ();

to avoid the importing behavior, more like the "BEGIN {require ...;}" 
syntax.

-- 
Mark Bole
http://www.bincomputing.com
925-287-0366




>  
>
[...]




From george at metaart.org  Wed Jul 27 11:50:32 2005
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:50:32 -0700
Subject: [oak perl] Pictures?
Message-ID: <200507271150.33104.george@metaart.org>

On the O'Reilly UG Wiki,
Marsee has a place for UG pictures (UGPics).

Is anyone willing to bring a digital camera
to a meeting so we can create some pictures? <<<<<< 


From george at metaart.org  Fri Jul 29 21:24:26 2005
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 21:24:26 -0700
Subject: [oak perl] Next Meeting Giveaways!!!??
Message-ID: <200507292124.26058.george@metaart.org>

I plan to bring 3 recent O'Reilly Perl books
to the August meeting for the Giveaways.
(These are from Marsee.)

Can anyone else bring something else?

Hm, maybe I can come up with something
at LinuxWorld.

George

Cut & Paste from our website home page
http://oakland.pm.org
.................................................
Next meeting
    * when: 1-3pm, Saturday, August 13th
    * where: Grand Lake Neighborhood Center
      530 Lake Park Ave., Oakland CA
    * directions: [link to] directions and ascii map
    * topic: modules
    * activities:
          o introductions
          o giveaways                  <<<<<<
          o lightning talks, discussion
          o LinuxWorld Recap
          o ...
    * who: open to anyone interested.
    * how much: no fee for our meetings.
      However, the neighborhood center would appreciate (but does not require)   
      a donation of $1 per person for the use of their space.
    * RSVP: is a big help to me but is not required.