There's a review of "Hackers & Painters" on OPUG Annex in case you wish to read it. The URL is: http://www.metaart.org/opug_annex/reviews/hackpaint.html George P.S. Why on OPUG Annex? Well, as of now, I'm unable to update Oakland.pm. P.P.S. The short version of the review is also on the O'Reilly site.