From george at metaart.org  Thu Jul  1 15:21:48 2004
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:41 2004
Subject: [oak perl] July Oakland.pm Meeting - Change of Plans
Message-ID: <200407011321.48408.george@metaart.org>

Especially, note that 
the location of the meeting is Connie's Cantina.

Snip from Oakland.pm website
http://oakland.pm.org
..................................
Next meeting
    * when: Tue. July 13 at 7:30-9:30pm
         (on 2nd Tuesdays since Dec. 2002)
    * where: Connie's Cantina
         3340 Grand Ave., Oakland CA 94610
    * directions: [link to] directions and ascii map
    * activities:
          o introductions
          o giveaways
          o informal discussion
          o eating Mexican food
          o ...
    * who: open to anyone interested.
    * how much: no fee for our meetings.
         (However, please order something,
         just a soda, if you wish.)


From tonys at oreillynet.com  Thu Jul  1 16:33:51 2004
From: tonys at oreillynet.com (Tony Stubblebine)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:41 2004
Subject: [oak perl] Code Complete 2ed.
In-Reply-To: <200407011321.48408.george@metaart.org>
References: <200407011321.48408.george@metaart.org>
Message-ID: <40E4833F.4020809@oreillynet.com>

I just picked up a copy of Code Complete 2ed., which I see as the 
definitive book on code construction. 

I'm real interested in how the ideas in the book interact with the ideas 
in Perl culture. I've started a mailing list to talk about it. I figured 
you guys were pretty receptive to the idea that maintainability 
programming value, so you might want to join:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/perlcomplete/join


Want to support my Amazon associate account... errrr, buy the book?
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0735619670/tonystubblebi-20/qid=1088707459/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/103-7898458-7048657



From george at metaart.org  Thu Jul  1 18:04:31 2004
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:41 2004
Subject: [oak perl] Anyone got Access Annoyances?
Message-ID: <200407011604.31753.george@metaart.org>

reference:
http://wiki.oreillynet.com/usergroups/pub?AccessAnnoyances

Marsee has put out a call fo Access Annoyances.
If you have such, you might follow the link
in the reference above.



From mtheo at amural.com  Thu Jul  1 18:55:50 2004
From: mtheo at amural.com (Mark Theodoropoulos)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:41 2004
Subject: [oak perl] Anyone got Access Annoyances?
In-Reply-To: <200407011604.31753.george@metaart.org>
Message-ID: <40E44216.120.F5BAB0B@localhost>

> Marsee has put out a call for Access Annoyances.

Does "it exists" count as an Access annoyance?





-- 
<mtheo>
producer / classics without walls
the anti-warhorse zone / www.amural.com
kusf 90.3fm / san francisco



From george at metaart.org  Thu Jul  1 19:54:45 2004
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:41 2004
Subject: [oak perl] Code Complete 2ed.
In-Reply-To: <40E4833F.4020809@oreillynet.com>
References: <200407011321.48408.george@metaart.org>
	<40E4833F.4020809@oreillynet.com>
Message-ID: <200407011754.45132.george@metaart.org>

OK, Tony, I've joined the group and asked a couple of questions.
Anyone else?

Hm, last month the theme of our monthly meeting was maintenance.
And we may continue that in August.

On Thursday 01 July 2004 2:33 pm, Tony Stubblebine wrote:
> I just picked up a copy of Code Complete 2ed., which I see as the
> definitive book on code construction.
>
> I'm real interested in how the ideas in the book interact with the ideas
> in Perl culture. I've started a mailing list to talk about it. I figured
> you guys were pretty receptive to the idea that maintainability
> programming value, so you might want to join:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/perlcomplete/join
>
>
> Want to support my Amazon associate account... errrr, buy the book?
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0735619670/tonystubblebi-20/qid=1088
>707459/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/103-7898458-7048657



From george at metaart.org  Thu Jul  1 20:40:39 2004
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:41 2004
Subject: [oak perl] Anyone got Access Annoyances?
In-Reply-To: <40E44216.120.F5BAB0B@localhost>
References: <40E44216.120.F5BAB0B@localhost>
Message-ID: <200407011840.39656.george@metaart.org>

I don't see why not.

Then again, you'll have to be really amusing
and probably transcendentally diplomatic as well
to get O'Reilly to include such an annoyance 
in an Access Annoyances book.

But who cares? 
A good annoyance well-expressed is an end in itself.

On Thursday 01 July 2004 4:55 pm, Mark Theodoropoulos wrote:
> > Marsee has put out a call for Access Annoyances.
>
> Does "it exists" count as an Access annoyance?


From george at metaart.org  Mon Jul  5 12:07:13 2004
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:41 2004
Subject: [oak perl] More Reviews?
Message-ID: <200407051007.13925.george@metaart.org>

Currently, three members of Oakland.pm
(that I know of)
are working on reviews (of O'Reilly books).
A fourth member is waiting on a review copy
of a book that appears to have been released.
Anyone else want to do a review?

If you want to review an O'Reilly book,
I can probably get you a review copy.
It doesn't seem to matter 
how long ago it was published,
if O'Reilly is still selling it.
I've made quite a few requests for review copies
of O'Reilly books;
so far, I've not been turned down.

Reviews don't have to be of O'Reilly books.
You could write a review of a book
published by Manning, Addison Wesley, or ...
Moreover, reviews don't have to be of books.
They could be of articles, talks, products, ...

Let me know if you wish me
to request a review copy for you.
And let me know if you have any questions.
George


From david at fetter.org  Tue Jul  6 20:38:32 2004
From: david at fetter.org (David Fetter)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:41 2004
Subject: [oak perl] PL/Perl Needs You
Message-ID: <20040707013832.GK30559@fetter.org>

Kind people,

I'm looking for somebody some very special attributes:

* Willing to work unpaid on a Free Software project.
* Intimately familiar with PostgreSQL internals.
* Knows XS inside and out.

If anybody out there fits the description, please get back to me.

Please pass this on if you happen to know somebody offlist who fits
the description :)

Cheers,
D
-- 
David Fetter david@fetter.org http://fetter.org/
phone: +1 510 893 6100   mobile: +1 415 235 3778

Remember to vote!

From george at metaart.org  Wed Jul  7 14:18:39 2004
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:41 2004
Subject: [oak perl] July Meeting in Oakland: July 13th
Message-ID: <200407071218.39565.george@metaart.org>

Note two things:
(1) The location, in Oakland.
(2) The request for RSVP.
This will enable us 
to get a suitable size table.

Snip from Oakland.pm Website
at   http://oakland.pm.org/
......................
Next meeting

    * when: Tue. July 13 at 7:30-9:30pm
      (on 2nd Tuesdays since Dec. 2002)
    * where: Connie's Cantina
      3340 Grand Ave., Oakland CA 94610
    * directions: [link to] directions and ascii map
    * activities:
          o introductions
          o giveaways
          o informal discussion
          o eating Mexican food
          o ...
    * who: open to anyone interested.
    * how much: no fee for our meetings.
      (However, please order something,
      just a soda, if you wish.)
    * also: please RSVP by Monday, July 12 
      to george in the domain of metaart.org.


From mp at rawbw.com  Thu Jul  8 09:08:27 2004
From: mp at rawbw.com (Michael Paoli)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:41 2004
Subject: [oak perl] LinuxWorld free Expo pass/best conference pricing
	deadline extended through 2004-07-09 with PRIORITY CODE B1601
In-Reply-To: <1088770646.40e5525691c7f@webmail.rawbw.com>
References: <1088770646.40e5525691c7f@webmail.rawbw.com>
Message-ID: <1089295707.40ed555b9234a@webmail.rawbw.com>

The LinuxWorld Conference & Expo deadline for free expo pass
and best ("early bird") pricing has been extended through 2004-07-09.
Use PRIORITY CODE: B1601 (the deadline for the best prices will still
show up as 2004-07-02, but those best prices will show up under "Your Price"
when PRIORITY CODE: B1601 is used).

references/excerpts:

Quoting Michael Paoli:

> A reminder, or for those who weren't aware, registration 
> deadline for free Expo Pass registration (and apparently also best 
> pricing on conference options) for:
> LinuxWorld Conference & Expo
> August 2-5, 2004
> The Moscone Center
> San Francisco, CA
> http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO04A
> PRIORITY CODE: 
B1601
> for best pricing and/or complimentary Expo registration

From george at metaart.org  Thu Jul  8 19:23:53 2004
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:41 2004
Subject: [oak perl] LinuxWorld free Expo pass/best conference pricing
	deadline extended through 2004-07-09 with PRIORITY CODE B1601
In-Reply-To: <1089295707.40ed555b9234a@webmail.rawbw.com>
References: <1088770646.40e5525691c7f@webmail.rawbw.com>
	<1089295707.40ed555b9234a@webmail.rawbw.com>
Message-ID: <200407081723.53915.george@metaart.org>

Thanks, Michael.

Well, I expect we'll have an Oakland.pm outing
to LinuxWorld Expo again this year.
Likely, either Tue. Aug. 3 or Wed. Aug. 4.

If you are thinking of going to LinuxWorld this year,
the priority code below could be useful.
Note the deadline, though.

George

On Thursday 08 July 2004 7:08 am, Michael Paoli wrote:
> The LinuxWorld Conference & Expo deadline for free expo pass
> and best ("early bird") pricing has been extended through 2004-07-09.
> Use PRIORITY CODE: B1601 (the deadline for the best prices will still
> show up as 2004-07-02, but those best prices will show up under "Your
> Price" when PRIORITY CODE: B1601 is used).
>
> references/excerpts:
>
> Quoting Michael Paoli:
> > A reminder, or for those who weren't aware, registration
> > deadline for free Expo Pass registration (and apparently also best
> > pricing on conference options) for:
> > LinuxWorld Conference & Expo
> > August 2-5, 2004
> > The Moscone Center
> > San Francisco, CA
> > http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO04A
> > PRIORITY CODE:
>
> B1601
>
> > for best pricing and/or complimentary Expo registration



From george at metaart.org  Fri Jul  9 20:10:03 2004
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:41 2004
Subject: [oak perl] Fwd: Newsletter from O'Reilly UG Program, July 9
Message-ID: <200407091810.03080.george@metaart.org>

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Here's an overview of what can be disclosed, including hardware
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http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2004/07/01/wwdc.html

---------------------
Windows
---------------------
***Top Three Windows RSS Readers
Which are the best RSS readers out there? Wei-Meng Lee picks his favorites
and gives you guided tours of them all.
http://www.windowsdevcenter.com/pub/a/windows/2004/07/06/rss_readers.html


***Surf the Web Anonymously
When you surf the Web, your life is an open book, open to anyone who wants
to look. J.W. Olsen looks at two anonymous surfing programs that promise
to fix the problem.
http://www.windowsdevcenter.com/pub/a/windows/2004/06/29/Anonymity.html

---------------------
Java
---------------------
***Spring in Action
In this excerpt from "Better, Faster, Lighter Java," authors Bruce Tate
and Justin Gehtland provide an example of Spring (their counter-example to
the J2EE Pet Store application) in action, to show why you too will come
to appreciate this simple framework as elegant and important.
http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/excerpt/BFLJava_chap8/index.html


***Inside Class Loaders: Debugging
Andreas Schaefer continues his examination of class loading in Java with a
look at what can cause problems in advance class-loading scenarios and how
to patch class loaders to help debug the problem.
http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2004/06/30/classloader2.html

---------------------
.NET
---------------------
***Refactoring in Whidbey
Code refactoring means restructuring your code so that the original
intention of the code is preserved. In this article, Wei-Meng Lee walks
you through Whidbey's new support for code refactoring.
http://www.ondotnet.com/pub/a/dotnet/2004/06/28/whidbey_refactoring.html


***ASP.NET Forms Security, Part 2
In his previous column, Jesse Liberty showed how to add web form security
to your ASP.NET 2.0 application, and how to add users. In this follow-up,
he demonstrates how easy it is to create and manage roles.
http://www.ondotnet.com/pub/a/dotnet/2004/06/28/liberty_whidbey.html


Until next time--

Marsee

-------------------------------------------------------



From george at metaart.org  Sun Jul 11 20:39:37 2004
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:41 2004
Subject: [oak perl] Review of Wil Wheaton Book
Message-ID: <200407111839.37228.george@metaart.org>

There's a review of 
"Just A Geek" by Wil Wheaton
on our site at:
   http://oakland.pm.org/reviews/jag.html
in case it interests you.

George

P.S. to Marsee:
The short version of the review
is also on the O'Reilly site.


From sfink at reactrix.com  Tue Jul 13 20:03:38 2004
From: sfink at reactrix.com (Steve Fink)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:41 2004
Subject: [oak perl] Introduction
Message-ID: <40F4866A.7050008@reactrix.com>

George Woolley suggested to me that many times newcomers introduce 
themselves to the list.

And from reading through the archives, I can see that he's a bald-faced 
liar. I didn't see anyone else doing that.

Or maybe I just didn't read enough. Are the introductions specifically 
archived anywhere? I guess I'll go ahead anyway.

My name is Steve Fink. I've heard about PerlMongers for some time, but 
only recently got around to looking for a nearby one to go to. I've now 
attended the Silicon Valley PM a grand total of one time, and enjoyed 
it. Now I'm looking for a more active group, even if I have to drive a 
bit farther. What I liked about svpm was getting exposed to people who 
use and learn Perl in very different ways than I do. I hang out on 
perlmonks.org a fair amount, but that's a typically digital age-ish 
self-selected environment: I only look at nodes that are relevant and 
similar to the sorts of problems I work on all the time, so don't get a 
very good feel for what the other 99.4% of the community is thinking about.

Anyway, back to my bio. Um... <http://foxglove.dnsalias.org/~sfink/>. 
But that's too much bother, so:

I've been using Perl for 11 years, addicted for 8. I started out mostly 
using it for text munging as a part of other projects, then started 
using it a little for system administrationy stuff, then for entire 
applications, graphical and otherwise. After that I started using it for 
web development (LAMP stuff), and currently have it embedded into a 
real-time interactive graphics engine that you may have seen at the 
Metreon, Great Mall, or NikeTown. Along the way I've written a few 
modules (eg Math::Calc::Units), miserably failed to take over 
maintainership of another module (CGI::Test), did a fair amount of early 
development work on Parrot (I was the 0.0.8-0.0.11 release pumpking), 
and am now infrequently working on the prototype Perl6 compiler 
(supposedly focusing on the rule engine but in reality spending almost 
all of my time on the compiler infrastructure so that I can get to the 
interesting bits of the rule engine.)

I like Perl because it allows me to very directly and quickly express in 
code the things that I want to do, and because it makes me feel like an 
idiot no matter how much of it I know. I also like talking to other 
people about Perl because they make me feel irrelevant -- my experience 
and ways of doing things always end up being ridiculously mismatched to 
what those other people actually care about. One of the joys of TMTOWTDI.

And I won't be seeing any of you tonight because my sister-in-law is 
visiting.

From alamozzz at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 13 22:05:13 2004
From: alamozzz at yahoo.com (Adrien Lamothe)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:41 2004
Subject: [oak perl] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <40F4866A.7050008@reactrix.com>
Message-ID: <20040714030513.67977.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com>

I recall at least several people introducing
themselves on the list. We did have a problem with the
listserver a few months ago, perhaps we lost some
posts.


--- Steve Fink <sfink@reactrix.com> wrote:
> George Woolley suggested to me that many times
> newcomers introduce 
> themselves to the list.
> 
> And from reading through the archives, I can see
> that he's a bald-faced 
> liar. I didn't see anyone else doing that.
> 
> Or maybe I just didn't read enough. Are the
> introductions specifically 
> archived anywhere? I guess I'll go ahead anyway.
> 
> My name is Steve Fink. I've heard about PerlMongers
> for some time, but 
> only recently got around to looking for a nearby one
> to go to. I've now 
> attended the Silicon Valley PM a grand total of one
> time, and enjoyed 
> it. Now I'm looking for a more active group, even if
> I have to drive a 
> bit farther. What I liked about svpm was getting
> exposed to people who 
> use and learn Perl in very different ways than I do.
> I hang out on 
> perlmonks.org a fair amount, but that's a typically
> digital age-ish 
> self-selected environment: I only look at nodes that
> are relevant and 
> similar to the sorts of problems I work on all the
> time, so don't get a 
> very good feel for what the other 99.4% of the
> community is thinking about.
> 
> Anyway, back to my bio. Um...
> <http://foxglove.dnsalias.org/~sfink/>. 
> But that's too much bother, so:
> 
> I've been using Perl for 11 years, addicted for 8. I
> started out mostly 
> using it for text munging as a part of other
> projects, then started 
> using it a little for system administrationy stuff,
> then for entire 
> applications, graphical and otherwise. After that I
> started using it for 
> web development (LAMP stuff), and currently have it
> embedded into a 
> real-time interactive graphics engine that you may
> have seen at the 
> Metreon, Great Mall, or NikeTown. Along the way I've
> written a few 
> modules (eg Math::Calc::Units), miserably failed to
> take over 
> maintainership of another module (CGI::Test), did a
> fair amount of early 
> development work on Parrot (I was the 0.0.8-0.0.11
> release pumpking), 
> and am now infrequently working on the prototype
> Perl6 compiler 
> (supposedly focusing on the rule engine but in
> reality spending almost 
> all of my time on the compiler infrastructure so
> that I can get to the 
> interesting bits of the rule engine.)
> 
> I like Perl because it allows me to very directly
> and quickly express in 
> code the things that I want to do, and because it
> makes me feel like an 
> idiot no matter how much of it I know. I also like
> talking to other 
> people about Perl because they make me feel
> irrelevant -- my experience 
> and ways of doing things always end up being
> ridiculously mismatched to 
> what those other people actually care about. One of
> the joys of TMTOWTDI.
> 
> And I won't be seeing any of you tonight because my
> sister-in-law is 
> visiting.
> _______________________________________________
> Oakland mailing list
> Oakland@mail.pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland
> 



	
		
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From blyman at iii.com  Wed Jul 14 11:21:31 2004
From: blyman at iii.com (Belden Lyman)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:41 2004
Subject: [oak perl] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <20040714030513.67977.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040714030513.67977.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1089822091.12494.81.camel@ls104>


On Tue, 2004-07-13 at 20:05, Adrien Lamothe wrote:
> I recall at least several people introducing
> themselves on the list. We did have a problem with the
> listserver a few months ago, perhaps we lost some
> posts.

Still sticking to the cover-up story, eh Adrien?! Why don't you
admit it: aliens kidnapped oakland.pm.org. We're now using an
exact simulacra which can be distinguished from the original
server only by the fact that it looks and smells so much like the 
original.

Think about that. Admit the truth. Set yourself free.

Belden, too much caffeine, apparently



From cajun at cajuninc.com  Wed Jul 14 11:53:38 2004
From: cajun at cajuninc.com (M. Lewis)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:41 2004
Subject: [oak perl] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <1089822091.12494.81.camel@ls104>
References: <20040714030513.67977.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com>
	<1089822091.12494.81.camel@ls104>
Message-ID: <200407140953.38142.cajun@cajuninc.com>


Isn't that our cummulative objective ? Setting ourselves free? Hmm.....

On Wednesday 14 July 2004 09:21, Belden Lyman wrote:
> On Tue, 2004-07-13 at 20:05, Adrien Lamothe wrote:
> > I recall at least several people introducing
> > themselves on the list. We did have a problem with the
> > listserver a few months ago, perhaps we lost some
> > posts.
>
> Still sticking to the cover-up story, eh Adrien?! Why don't you
> admit it: aliens kidnapped oakland.pm.org. We're now using an
> exact simulacra which can be distinguished from the original
> server only by the fact that it looks and smells so much like the
> original.
>
> Think about that. Admit the truth. Set yourself free.
>
> Belden, too much caffeine, apparently
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Oakland mailing list
> Oakland@mail.pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland

-- 
  
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From cpm at bitbucket.com  Wed Jul 14 12:06:06 2004
From: cpm at bitbucket.com (Craig McLaughlin)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:41 2004
Subject: [oak perl] So long, fare well, bye bye...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0407141002380.1956-100000@rusalka.bitbucket.com>


All --

Well, I never did manage to make it to a meeting (bad me), but at least I 
got to meet a few of you at JavaOne last year (I think that's where it 
was... I went to so many cons I've lost track)...

My wife and I are relocating to the Portland, OR area in a couple of 
weeks, so I'll be shifting my perling dervish activities northwards to the 
tune of 677 miles as the Hybrid drives.

I'll likely remain on the list, and I promise that if I ever do anything 
cool that isn't coded so badly as to be an embarassment, I'll share. :)

Best wishes,
--Craig

Craig McLaughlin  /  cpm@bitbucket.com  /  Who, me?




From david at fetter.org  Wed Jul 14 12:17:07 2004
From: david at fetter.org (David Fetter)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:41 2004
Subject: [oak perl] So long, fare well, bye bye...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0407141002380.1956-100000@rusalka.bitbucket.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0407141002380.1956-100000@rusalka.bitbucket.com>
Message-ID: <20040714171707.GH7759@fetter.org>

On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 10:06:06AM -0700, Craig McLaughlin wrote:
> All --
> 
> Well, I never did manage to make it to a meeting (bad me), but at
> least I got to meet a few of you at JavaOne last year (I think
> that's where it was... I went to so many cons I've lost track)...
> 
> My wife and I are relocating to the Portland, OR area in a couple of
> weeks, so I'll be shifting my perling dervish activities northwards
> to the tune of 677 miles as the Hybrid drives.
> 
> I'll likely remain on the list, and I promise that if I ever do
> anything cool that isn't coded so badly as to be an embarassment,
> I'll share. :)

Have lots of fun in the Silicon Forest :)

Cheers,
D
-- 
David Fetter david@fetter.org http://fetter.org/
phone: +1 510 893 6100   mobile: +1 415 235 3778

Remember to vote!

From extasia at gmail.com  Wed Jul 14 12:22:50 2004
From: extasia at gmail.com (David)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:41 2004
Subject: [oak perl] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <200407140953.38142.cajun@cajuninc.com>
References: <20040714030513.67977.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com>
	<1089822091.12494.81.camel@ls104>
	<200407140953.38142.cajun@cajuninc.com>
Message-ID: <4c714a9c04071410226ffd88d7@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:53:38 -0700, M. Lewis <cajun@cajuninc.com> wrote:
> Isn't that our cummulative objective ? Setting ourselves free? Hmm.....

And I thought our cumulative objective was to use strict;

-- 
Live in a world of your own, but always welcome visitors.

From cajun at cajuninc.com  Wed Jul 14 12:28:43 2004
From: cajun at cajuninc.com (M. Lewis)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:41 2004
Subject: [oak perl] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <4c714a9c04071410226ffd88d7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20040714030513.67977.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com>
	<200407140953.38142.cajun@cajuninc.com>
	<4c714a9c04071410226ffd88d7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200407141028.43029.cajun@cajuninc.com>


Partially right oh wise one. By using strict, we set ourselves free.......

On Wednesday 14 July 2004 10:22, David wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:53:38 -0700, M. Lewis <cajun@cajuninc.com> wrote:
> > Isn't that our cummulative objective ? Setting ourselves free? Hmm.....
>
> And I thought our cumulative objective was to use strict;

-- 
  
  IBM: I'd Be Misinforming
 10:25:00  up 78 days,  8:31,  5 users,  load average: 2.02, 2.02, 2.02


From cpm at bitbucket.com  Wed Jul 14 12:31:23 2004
From: cpm at bitbucket.com (Craig McLaughlin)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:41 2004
Subject: [oak perl] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <200407141028.43029.cajun@cajuninc.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0407141030240.2423-100000@rusalka.bitbucket.com>



So... freedom through discipline... are you saying I'm going to have to 
call my father and tell him he was right?  I'm pretty sure that's a sign 
of the Apocolypse...

Shorttimer,
--Craig

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004, M. Lewis wrote:
> Partially right oh wise one. By using strict, we set ourselves free.......
> 
> On Wednesday 14 July 2004 10:22, David wrote:
> > On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:53:38 -0700, M. Lewis <cajun@cajuninc.com> wrote:
> > > Isn't that our cummulative objective ? Setting ourselves free? Hmm.....
> >
> > And I thought our cumulative objective was to use strict;
> 
> 


From cajun at cajuninc.com  Wed Jul 14 12:41:13 2004
From: cajun at cajuninc.com (M. Lewis)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:41 2004
Subject: [oak perl] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0407141030240.2423-100000@rusalka.bitbucket.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0407141030240.2423-100000@rusalka.bitbucket.com>
Message-ID: <200407141041.13261.cajun@cajuninc.com>


Well, in my humble opinion, your Father was probably right. Go with the 
flow....

M

On Wednesday 14 July 2004 10:31, Craig McLaughlin wrote:
> So... freedom through discipline... are you saying I'm going to have to
> call my father and tell him he was right?  I'm pretty sure that's a sign
> of the Apocolypse...
>
> Shorttimer,
> --Craig
>
> On Wed, 14 Jul 2004, M. Lewis wrote:
> > Partially right oh wise one. By using strict, we set ourselves
> > free.......
> >
> > On Wednesday 14 July 2004 10:22, David wrote:
> > > On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:53:38 -0700, M. Lewis <cajun@cajuninc.com> wrote:
> > > > Isn't that our cummulative objective ? Setting ourselves free?
> > > > Hmm.....
> > >
> > > And I thought our cumulative objective was to use strict;
>
> _______________________________________________
> Oakland mailing list
> Oakland@mail.pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland

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 10:40:01  up 78 days,  8:46,  5 users,  load average: 2.48, 2.13, 2.03


From blyman at iii.com  Wed Jul 14 12:34:52 2004
From: blyman at iii.com (Belden Lyman)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:41 2004
Subject: [oak perl] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <4c714a9c04071410226ffd88d7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20040714030513.67977.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com>
	<1089822091.12494.81.camel@ls104>
	<200407140953.38142.cajun@cajuninc.com>
	<4c714a9c04071410226ffd88d7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1089826492.12494.97.camel@ls104>

On Wed, 2004-07-14 at 10:22, David wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:53:38 -0700, M. Lewis <cajun@cajuninc.com> wrote:
> > Isn't that our cummulative objective ? Setting ourselves free? Hmm.....
> 
> And I thought our cumulative objective was to use strict;

Hey, study $up and no warnings or exit( @list );

Belden, needs milder arabica


From blyman at iii.com  Wed Jul 14 12:45:20 2004
From: blyman at iii.com (Belden Lyman)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:41 2004
Subject: [oak perl] So long, fare well, bye bye...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0407141002380.1956-100000@rusalka.bitbucket.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0407141002380.1956-100000@rusalka.bitbucket.com>
Message-ID: <1089827120.12494.107.camel@ls104>

On Wed, 2004-07-14 at 10:06, Craig McLaughlin wrote:
> All --
> 
> Well, I never did manage to make it to a meeting (bad me), but at least I 
> got to meet a few of you at JavaOne last year (I think that's where it 
> was... I went to so many cons I've lost track)...
> 
> My wife and I are relocating to the Portland, OR area in a couple of 
> weeks, so I'll be shifting my perling dervish activities northwards to the 
> tune of 677 miles as the Hybrid drives.
> 
> I'll likely remain on the list, and I promise that if I ever do anything 
> cool that isn't coded so badly as to be an embarassment, I'll share. :)
> 
> Best wishes,
> --Craig

There's an O'Reilly conference coming up in Portland soon, July 26-30.
Low on the list of things to do if you've just moved, of course.

portland.pm.org looks pretty active: be sure to pop in to a few of their
meetings, you're likely to pick something up.*

Belden

* - codewise, that is. Though a habit to recycle does seem to come
with the territory.




From george at metaart.org  Wed Jul 14 15:12:12 2004
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:42 2004
Subject: [oak perl] So long, fare well, bye bye...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0407141002380.1956-100000@rusalka.bitbucket.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0407141002380.1956-100000@rusalka.bitbucket.com>
Message-ID: <200407141312.12215.george@metaart.org>

Craig,
Have a blast in Portland.
>From the pm website up there,
it looks like your "perling dervish activities"
will have a good stage (dance floor, or whatever).

Best wishes,
George


On Wednesday 14 July 2004 10:06 am, Craig McLaughlin wrote:
> All --
>
> Well, I never did manage to make it to a meeting (bad me), but at least I
> got to meet a few of you at JavaOne last year (I think that's where it
> was... I went to so many cons I've lost track)...
>
> My wife and I are relocating to the Portland, OR area in a couple of
> weeks, so I'll be shifting my perling dervish activities northwards to the
> tune of 677 miles as the Hybrid drives.
>
> I'll likely remain on the list, and I promise that if I ever do anything
> cool that isn't coded so badly as to be an embarassment, I'll share. :)
>
> Best wishes,
> --Craig
>
> Craig McLaughlin  /  cpm@bitbucket.com  /  Who, me?
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Oakland mailing list
> Oakland@mail.pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland



From george at metaart.org  Wed Jul 14 19:44:28 2004
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:42 2004
Subject: [oak perl] Introduction [bare faced liar?]
In-Reply-To: <20040714030513.67977.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040714030513.67977.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200407141744.28786.george@metaart.org>

[This is part 1 of my response to your intro.]

Steve,
welcome:
Again, thanks for subscribing.
And thanks for posting 
and for setting off a number of other posts.

Thanks for playing.

introductions archive:
> > Are the introductions specifically
> > archived anywhere?
No. 
The closest thing we have to that
is member profiles by members 
who wish to have one at:
   http://oakland.pm.org/detail/members.html

a bald faced liar?:
Hm, let me see.
Well, these days I don't have a beard or mustache.
Yep, I am clean shaven,
well, most of the time.
But was I lying about people doing introductions
on the list?

As is generally the case IMO,
Adrien's recollections are correct.
Here's three references to introductions,
one from each of the three years
we've been around:
   me: 2002-11-06
   Robert Kuropkat: 2003-04-30 (in 2003-05 archive)
      (Robert is "normally" host of our monthly meetings.)
   Benjamin Elijah Griffin: 2004-01-08
      (Elijah was active in NY.pm way back when.)
I'm not inclined to look back through all the posts,
but that's definitely not all the introductions.

It's kind of fun being thought of as a bald faced liar --
sounds decisive.
Hm, in college I was, perhaps, a hairy faced truth teller.
And now it's come to this.
Oh, well.

Anyway, I'll reflect on what's so
and try to do a better job 
communicating about introductions.
My use of "many" seems questionable to me.
(Hm, I may need to do 
further research and reflection on that.)
Also, examples might be quite helpful.
Thanks for the enjoyable feedback.

Also, thanks for being a good sport
and having the point of view
"I guess I'll go ahead anyway."
   
George

========================================
On Tuesday 13 July 2004 8:05 pm, Adrien Lamothe wrote:
> I recall at least several people introducing
> themselves on the list. ...

========================================
> --- Steve Fink <sfink@reactrix.com> wrote:
> > George Woolley suggested to me that many times
> > newcomers introduce
> > themselves to the list.
> >
> > And from reading through the archives, I can see
> > that he's a bald-faced
> > liar. I didn't see anyone else doing that.
> >
> > Or maybe I just didn't read enough. Are the
> > introductions specifically
> > archived anywhere? I guess I'll go ahead anyway.
> >
> > My name is Steve Fink. ...
> > ...
> > ...


From george at metaart.org  Wed Jul 14 19:47:31 2004
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:42 2004
Subject: [oak perl] Introduction [TMTOWTDI]
In-Reply-To: <40F4866A.7050008@reactrix.com>
References: <40F4866A.7050008@reactrix.com>
Message-ID: <200407141747.31617.george@metaart.org>

[This is part 2 of my response to your intro.]

Steve,
TMTOWTDI is dear to my heart.

Anyway, I believe,
there are a lot of different backgrounds
and points of view represented here.

I'll touch on some of them.
If they wish,
others can put in their 2 cents
(nickle, dime, silver dollar or whatever).

* geography
There's people from various parts of the East Bay
and also people from elsewhere in the SF Bay Area.
There's also subscribers from Nevada, New York
and, hey, Costa Rica.

regexes: 
There's a range of points of view about regexes.
So much so that we had a meeting
on the theme "Alternatives to Regular Expressions"
the month before Tony Stubblebine gave a talk on
"Regular Expression Best Practices".

* perl
Attitudes toward Perl vary greatly. 
Some of the points of view are:
      - Perl and Perl culture rock.
      - Perl is a useful tool, but it's just a tool.
      - I need to read Perl code sometimes to do my job.

Three people in the group, that I know of,
are Perl Monks.
If you are, that makes four.

* general types of use of perl
People are using Perl in a number of different areas:
      - software development
      - system administration
      - websites
      - databases

* education
I don't generally find out much
about people's educational background.
But as best I can tell,
there's a lot of variation there too.

I had a longer list of things,
but I trashed it (silly me).
Anyway, likely you get the idea.
Hopefully, the above translates into
different ways of doing things.

George

   
============================
On Tuesday 13 July 2004 6:03 pm, Steve Fink wrote:
> ...
> My name is Steve Fink. ...
> ...
> ...
>
> I also like talking to other
> people about Perl because they make me feel irrelevant -- my experience
> and ways of doing things always end up being ridiculously mismatched to
> what those other people actually care about. One of the joys of TMTOWTDI.
>
> ...


From george at metaart.org  Wed Jul 14 21:41:57 2004
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:42 2004
Subject: [oak perl] Introduction [misc.]
In-Reply-To: <40F4866A.7050008@reactrix.com>
References: <40F4866A.7050008@reactrix.com>
Message-ID: <200407141941.57745.george@metaart.org>

[This is part 3 (of 3) of my response to your intro.]

Steve,

meetings:
Well, our "regular" meeting place is in Alameda.
And I gather that's a trek for you.
I hope you make it there,
maybe in August.

link to website:
Thanks for the link to:
   http://foxglove.dnsalias.org/~sfink/
I was particularly interested in
* command-line vs. graphical interfaces
* the comic

perl 6:
pumpking -- kool. 
rules -- kool.
Perhaps, you'll be willing to share 
some of what you learned and experienced with that.

George

On Tuesday 13 July 2004 6:03 pm, Steve Fink wrote:
> ...
> My name is Steve Fink. I've heard about PerlMongers for some time, but
> only recently got around to looking for a nearby one to go to. I've now
> attended the Silicon Valley PM a grand total of one time, and enjoyed
> it. Now I'm looking for a more active group, even if I have to drive a
> bit farther. ...
>
> Anyway, back to my bio. Um... <http://foxglove.dnsalias.org/~sfink/>.
> But that's too much bother, so:
>
> I've been using Perl for 11 years, addicted for 8. I started out mostly
> using it for text munging as a part of other projects, then started
> using it a little for system administrationy stuff, then for entire
> applications, graphical and otherwise. After that I started using it for
> web development (LAMP stuff), and currently have it embedded into a
> real-time interactive graphics engine that you may have seen at the
> Metreon, Great Mall, or NikeTown. Along the way I've written a few
> modules (eg Math::Calc::Units), miserably failed to take over
> maintainership of another module (CGI::Test), did a fair amount of early
> development work on Parrot (I was the 0.0.8-0.0.11 release pumpking),
> and am now infrequently working on the prototype Perl6 compiler
> (supposedly focusing on the rule engine but in reality spending almost
> all of my time on the compiler infrastructure so that I can get to the
> interesting bits of the rule engine.)
>
> I like Perl because it allows me to very directly and quickly express in
> code the things that I want to do, and because it makes me feel like an
> idiot no matter how much of it I know. ...
>
> And I won't be seeing any of you tonight because my sister-in-law is
> visiting.
> ...


From blyman at iii.com  Thu Jul 15 09:08:54 2004
From: blyman at iii.com (Belden Lyman)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:42 2004
Subject: [oak perl] Introduction [bare faced liar?]
In-Reply-To: <200407141744.28786.george@metaart.org>
References: <20040714030513.67977.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com>
	<200407141744.28786.george@metaart.org>
Message-ID: <1089900534.16948.30.camel@ls104>

On Wed, 2004-07-14 at 17:44, George Woolley wrote:
> a bald faced liar?:
> Hm, let me see.
> Well, these days I don't have a beard or mustache.

True fact: George shaves with Occam's razor.

Belden, unusally frivolous


From blyman at iii.com  Thu Jul 15 10:27:00 2004
From: blyman at iii.com (Belden Lyman)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:42 2004
Subject: [oak perl] Words with 4 consonants in a row
Message-ID: <1089905220.16948.188.camel@ls104>


A few months ago Tony asked if there were any words in English with
4 consonants in a row. Last night I read one in PO'B's "Fortune of
War": 'phthisis'. There's hordes of other words with 4 consonants in
a row.

The most common substrings are 'nthr', 'nstr', 'phth', and 'ghts' 
('enthrall', 'instruct', 'ophthalmology', 'sightsee'). Less common 
substrings occur in the words 'lightproof', 'ballplayer', and 
'eggplant'.

5 consonants are less frequent but are not impossible ('eightscore').
6 in a row is downright rare ('lengthsman'). My wordlist (scowl, avail
from http://scowl.sourceforge.net ) doesn't have any valid words with
7 consonants.

Bldn, schws vwls


From george at metaart.org  Fri Jul 16 01:05:12 2004
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:42 2004
Subject: [oak perl] Words with 4 consonants in a row
In-Reply-To: <1089905220.16948.188.camel@ls104>
References: <1089905220.16948.188.camel@ls104>
Message-ID: <200407152305.12879.george@metaart.org>

Bldn,
Hlp! Smn tk ll m vwls!
Stll, Grg hs qstns.

Whts schws wth vwls?
Whts lngthsmn mn?
R thr rll lts f ph wrds?
Dd Bldn s Prl fr ths? Hw?

Grg "lst m vwls" Wll

===============================================
On Thursday 15 July 2004 8:27 am, Belden Lyman wrote:
> A few months ago Tony asked if there were any words in English with
> 4 consonants in a row. Last night I read one in PO'B's "Fortune of
> War": 'phthisis'. There's hordes of other words with 4 consonants in
> a row.
>
> The most common substrings are 'nthr', 'nstr', 'phth', and 'ghts'
> ('enthrall', 'instruct', 'ophthalmology', 'sightsee'). Less common
> substrings occur in the words 'lightproof', 'ballplayer', and
> 'eggplant'.
>
> 5 consonants are less frequent but are not impossible ('eightscore').
> 6 in a row is downright rare ('lengthsman'). My wordlist (scowl, avail
> from http://scowl.sourceforge.net ) doesn't have any valid words with
> 7 consonants.
>
> Bldn, schws vwls
>
> _______________________________________________
> Oakland mailing list
> Oakland@mail.pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland


From extasia at extasia.org  Fri Jul 16 02:01:58 2004
From: extasia at extasia.org (David Alban)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:42 2004
Subject: [oak perl] SIG-BEER-WEST this Saturday 7/17 in Cupertino
Message-ID: <20040716000158.A22400@gerasimov.net>

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SIG-beer-west[1]
Saturday, July 17, 2004 at 6:00pm
San Francisco, CA

Beer.   Mental stimulation.

    [1] http://extasia.org/sig-beer-west/

        Note:  I'm having problems connecting to the website, so it
               has not been updated with the info herein.

This event: 
  Saturday, 07/17/2004, 6:00pm, at the BJ's Brewhouse[3], Cupertino

    [3] http://bjsbrewhouse.com/home_page/home_main.html

Coming events (third Saturdays): 
  Saturday, 08/21/2004, 6:00pm, location to be determined 
  Saturday, 09/18/2004, 6:00pm, location to be determined 
  Saturday, 10/16/2004, 6:00pm, location to be determined 
  Saturday, 11/20/2004, 6:00pm, location to be determined 

San Francisco's next social event for techies and their friends,
sig-beer-west, will take place at 6:00pm on Saturday, July 17, 2004
at BJ's Brewhouse[4] located at 10690 N De Anza Blvd[5] in Cupertino,
CA (next to Apple).

    [4] http://bjsbrewhouse.com/home_page/home_main.html
    [5] http://bjsbrewhouse.com/restaurants_page/cupertino.html

Here's a review shamelessly pulled from Brew-Monkey.Com.[6]

    [6] http://www.brew-monkey.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11

   I checked out the new BJ's location at the Westfield mall in south
   San Jose last night and wanted to share my impressions.

   First, it's a comfortable pub to sit and enjoy a pint. Plenty of wood
   and breweriana covering the walls. A wall of televisions in back of
   the bar so you can catch most any sport or other TV experience. The
   large serving staff is quick to attend. Last night's bartender, John,
   was quite knowledgeable- especially about the BJ's beers. I did not
   order food but the menu indicated typical pub fare with the usual
   deep-fried appetizer treats, burgers, sandwiches and actual entrees.
   The plates coming out of the kitchen were piled high, looked great and
   smelled wonderful. The food prices may have been a little higher than
   we like paying but no more so than other San Jose stops.

   I ordered a 7 beer sampler, for $7.95 which consists of the six 4 oz
   glasses of the standard BJ's beers and one 4 oz glass of a special
   beer.

   Following are my impressions of the six standard BJ's beers:

   BJ's Blonde[7]: Delicate Kolsch style blonde ale. Slight malt and
   aromatic hops are evident well balanced with hop bittering.

    [7] http://bjsbrewhouse.com/brewery_page/beerprofiles/profile_blonde.html

   Harvest Heffeweizen[8]: Nice bannana/clove character. It's very
   similar to the latest heffeweizen I've brewed!

    [8] http://bjsbrewhouse.com/brewery_page/beerprofiles/profile_hefe.html

   Piranha Ale[9]: As they say "A hoppy, American-style pale ale made
   with Yakima Valley's best hops. bittered with Chinook, while
   dry-hopped with the snappy flavor and bite of Cascade hops." This was
   my personal favorite of them all.

    [9] http://bjsbrewhouse.com/brewery_page/beerprofiles/profile_piranha.html

   Jeremiah Red[10]: An Irish style red ale loosely based on strong ale
   style. I felt there was something funny going on with the selected
   malts. Perhaps some smoked or peated malt along with brown? I would've
   preferred more hops, but it's not an American style red (amber).

    [10] http://bjsbrewhouse.com/brewery_page/beerprofiles/profile_jeremiah.html

   PM Porter[11]: Seems like they were going for Fuller's London Porter.
   It's creamy, served on the nitro tap. I would prefer more chocolate
   malt and less brown. This was the bartender's favorite.

    [11] http://bjsbrewhouse.com/brewery_page/beerprofiles/profile_porter.html

   Tatonka Stout[12]: I enjoyed the heady chocolate nose of their
   imperial stout. But felt the taste was lacking due to the muddled malt
   character. An easy drinking, big 8.1% ABV stout. It's just that I
   would prefer more character, more like Old Rasputin or Inebriator.
   I got two BJ's seasonal or special beers.

    [12] http://bjsbrewhouse.com/brewery_page/beerprofiles/profile_tatonka.html

   Nutty Brunette[13]: Is a respectable brown ale but should probably
   have more hop aroma and bittering if it is supposed to be an American
   brown ale.

    [13] http://bjsbrewhouse.com/brewery_page/beerprofiles/profile_nutty.html

   BJ's IPA: I liked the hoppy nose but didn't care for the funky (almost
   buttery) taste which I attributed to the hops. Not sure which hops
   were used in this but am guessing Warrier. Again, I think it is well
   made just not to my taste.

   Along with their own beers there are some notable guest beers
   available. Last night draft selections included a number of fruited
   beers along with * Sierra Nevada pale bock & summerfest and * Chimay
   white label. BJ's also has a respectable number of bottled Belgian
   beers for the adventurous.

   It is unfortunate the Cupertino and Westfield Mall (south San Jose)
   locations do not brew but each of the beers does have a unique
   character. I wondered if this distinctiveness is a result of the beers
   being brewed at different BJ's locations. I recommend checking out
   BJ's and their beers.

   Beware, parking is challenging at both locations which is the reason
   valet parking is available!

   Roger.

Festivities will start at 6:00pm and continue until we've all
left.

BJ's is right next to Apple. Here's a map.[14]

    [14] http://tinyurl.com/5llqn

When you show up, you should look for some kind of home made
sig-beer-west sign. We will try to make it obvious who we are. :-) 
Note:  Please look for the sig-beer-west sign, not for a particular
person. sig-beer-west may have different hosts from month to
month.

Everyone is welcome at this event. We mean it! Please feel free to
forward this information and to invite friends, co-workers, and
others (all of legal drinking age) who might enjoy lifting a glass
with interesting folks from all over the place.

Can't come this month? Mark your calendar for next month.   (Do it
now before you forget!)  sig-beer-west occurs on the third Saturday
of each month.

Any questions, comments, suggestions of things to do later on that
evening, or new venue suggestions ... email the current sig-beer-west
Instigator.  The Instigator's Username is extasia. The Instigator's
email address is *the Username* at *the Username* dot *org*.

sig-beer-west FAQ

  1.  Q: Your announcement says "techies and their friends".  How do
         I know if I'm a techie, or a friend of one?

      A: Well, actually, you don't have to be a techie to attend. 
         You just have to be able to find the sig-beer-west sign at
         this month's event.  That's it.   Simple, huh?

  2.  Q: I'm not really a beer person. In fact I'm interested in
         hanging out, but not in drinking. Would I be welcome?

      A: Absolutely! The point is to hang out with fun, interesting
         folks.  Please do join us.

  3.  Q: Is parking difficult, like maybe I should factor this into
         my travel time?
      A: Yes, but the earlier you arrive, the better your chances of
         finding a spot.
       __________________________________________________________________

sig-beer-west was started in February 2002 when a couple Washington,
D.C. based systems administrators who moved to the San Francisco Bay
area wanted to continue a dc-sage[15] tradition, sig-beer, which is
described in dc-sage web space as:

    [15] http://www.dc-sage.org/

  SIG-beer, as in "Special Interest Group - Beer" ala ACM, or as in
  "send the BEER signal to that process".

The original SIG-beer gathering takes place in Washington DC, usually
on the first Saturday night of the month.
       __________________________________________________________________

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From blyman at iii.com  Fri Jul 16 09:55:48 2004
From: blyman at iii.com (Belden Lyman)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:42 2004
Subject: [oak perl] Words with 4 consonants in a row
In-Reply-To: <200407152305.12879.george@metaart.org>
References: <1089905220.16948.188.camel@ls104>
	<200407152305.12879.george@metaart.org>
Message-ID: <1089989747.22658.87.camel@ls104>

On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 23:05, George Woolley wrote:
> B[e]ld[e]n,
> H[e]lp! S[o]m[e]n[e] t[oo]k [a]ll m[y] v[o]w[e]ls!
> St[i]ll, G[eo]rg[e] h[a]s q[ue]st[io]ns.
> 
> Wh[a]ts schws w[i]th v[o]w[e]ls?

'eschews' :)

> Wh[a]ts l[e]ngthsm[a]n m[ea]n?

I'd assumed it was a job similar to a longshoreman. It's actually
a job that involves looking after "lengths" of something: in some
places, looking after stretches of roads http://tinyurl.com/6s2k8
and in other places stretches of railway http://tinyurl.com/6s2k8

> [A]R[e] th[e]r[e] r[ea]ll[y] l[o]ts [o]f ph w[o]rds?
> D[i]d B[e]ld[e]n [u]s[e] P[e]rl f[o]r th[i]s?

For that yes but unfortunately n[o]t f[o]r th[i]s.

>  H[o]w?
> 

Here 'tis. Play with this and http://scowl.sourceforge.net to
answer the ph question :)

Belden

    #!/usr/bin/perl -s
    
    # substr-freq - find frequency of substrings in words
    # usage: substr-freq -min=4 -max=8 /path/to/dictionary
    # Belden <blyman@iii.com>
    
    use strict;
    use warnings;
    
    our( $min, $max );
    $min ||= 2;
    $max ||= 4;
    
    $min < $max
        or die "min ($min) must be smaller than max ($max)\n";
    
    my %dict;
    
    while ( my $word = <> ) {
      chomp $word;
    
      $word =~ y/A-Z/a-z/;
      $word =~ s/[^\w]//g;
    
      window( $word, \%dict, $min, $max );
    }
    
    $|++;
    
    while( my ( $seq, $num ) = each %dict ) {
      print "$num $seq\n"
    }
    
    
    no warnings 'uninitialized';
    sub window {
      my ( $word, $hr, $min, $max ) = @_;
      return if $min > $max;
    
      while( $word =~ /\G(.{$max})/ ) {
        $hr->{$1}++;
        pos($word) = pos($word) + 1;
      }
    
      --$max;
      window( $word, $hr, $min, $max ) if $max > 0;
    }



From george at metaart.org  Fri Jul 16 13:48:12 2004
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:42 2004
Subject: [oak perl] Words with 4 consonants in a row
In-Reply-To: <1089989747.22658.87.camel@ls104>
References: <1089905220.16948.188.camel@ls104>
	<200407152305.12879.george@metaart.org>
	<1089989747.22658.87.camel@ls104>
Message-ID: <200407161148.12985.george@metaart.org>

Belden,
On Friday 16 July 2004 7:55 am, Belden Lyman wrote:
> On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 23:05, George Woolley wrote:
> > B[e]ld[e]n,
> > ...
> > Wh[a]ts schws w[i]th v[o]w[e]ls?
>
> 'eschews' :)
kool!

> > Wh[a]ts l[e]ngthsm[a]n m[ea]n?
>
> I'd assumed it was a job similar to a longshoreman. It's actually
> a job that involves looking after "lengths" of something: in some
> places, looking after stretches of roads http://tinyurl.com/6s2k8
> and in other places stretches of railway http://tinyurl.com/6s2k8
Ah.

...
> Belden
> ... code ...
Thanks.
George


From george at metaart.org  Sat Jul 17 18:53:51 2004
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:42 2004
Subject: [oak perl] August Oakland.pm Meeting: Tue. August 10
Message-ID: <200407171653.51976.george@metaart.org>

Snip from Oakland.pm Website
at   http://oakland.pm.org/
.......................................... 
Next meeting

    * when: Tue. August 10 at 7:30-9:30pm
      (on 2nd Tuesdays since Dec. 2002)
    * where: Robert's Place
      2845 Pearl Harbor Road, Alameda CA
    * directions: directions and ascii map
    * theme: maintenance (again)
    * agenda:
          o introductions
          o giveaways
          o talks, discussion on the theme
          o ...
    * who: open to anyone interested.
    * how much: no fee for our meetings.


From blyman at iii.com  Mon Jul 19 11:41:00 2004
From: blyman at iii.com (Belden Lyman)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:42 2004
Subject: [oak perl] Words with 4 consonants in a row
In-Reply-To: <200407151925.i6FJPIC08588@panix2.panix.com>
References: <200407151925.i6FJPIC08588@panix2.panix.com>
Message-ID: <1090255260.12865.102.camel@ls104>

On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 12:25, eli@panix.com wrote:
> http://scowl.sourceforge.net/
> 
> 404 Not Found
> 
> Elijah

*sigh*

http://wordlist.sourceforge.net/

luser error.


From george at metaart.org  Tue Jul 20 22:42:03 2004
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:42 2004
Subject: [oak perl] LinuxWorld Outing
Message-ID: <200407202042.03359.george@metaart.org>

Last year, some of us met up at LinuxWorld.
We'll do it again this year.

Here's the plan:
* meet at the Conference
? ? ?date: Thursday, August 5, 2004 
? ? ?time: 11am 
     conference location: Moscone Center 
     conference address: 747 Howard St., San Francisco
? ? ?specific meeting place: O'Reilly booth (#873)
* while we're at the O'Reilly booth,
     we'll say hi to Marsee Henon.
* follow whoever has a good idea to wherever
At any point, you are free to go off on your own.

url for conference:   http://www.linuxworldexpo.com

If you notice any transmogrifications in the above,
please speak up.

Oh, let me know if you're coming. <<<<<<

George

P.S. I'm hoping (and expecting) to get some free passes
for people who didn't register for that earlier.
Let me know, if you need one.  <<<<<<

P.P.S. Last year there were 9 people.
(OK, I admit it, one of them never found us.)
I'm thinking
there won't be quite so many this year,
but who knows?



From george at metaart.org  Wed Jul 21 14:37:06 2004
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:42 2004
Subject: [oak perl] Fwd: O'Reilly Looking for a Perl Programmer--Sebastopol,
	CA
Message-ID: <200407211237.06561.george@metaart.org>

----------  Forwarded Message  ----------

Subject: O'Reilly Looking for a Perl Programmer--Sebastopol, CA
Date: Wednesday 21 July 2004 11:40 am
From: Marsee Henon <marsee@oreilly.com>
To: george@metaart.org

Hi George,

Thought I would pass this along in case you know of anyone who
might be interested. Resumes should go to jobs@oreilly.com
and not me.

Thanks,

Marsee


**Perl Programmer
We're looking for an experienced Perl programmer with extensive web
development expertise to help support the Online Publishing Group at
O'Reilly. Requires CGI expertise, knowledge of SQL, Apache and database
management, and experience with mod_perl and web-based content management
systems.
As a part of the development team, you will create new web applications
working from specifications, develop and test code, and integrate new
systems with existing applications. Additionally you will respond to
real-time site needs, including troubleshooting and resolving issues
related to web applications and site performance.
You are a strong communicator with excellent decision-making,
problem-solving and analytical skills. You're able to work on your own or
with a team to come up with workable and elegant solutions. You are able to
give and receive feedback and you can distill technical information and
deliver it in a form that non-technical people can readily understand.
Sense of humor and people-skills a must.

**Minimum Requirements
- Intermediate to advanced knowledge of Perl with emphasis on OOP, CGI and
mod_perl. Requires web applications development experience for commercial
Internet sites
- Fundamental knowledge of web processing/design and software development.
Knowledge of general web application architecture, involving setup and
configuration of web servers and application servers
- Advanced knowledge of MySQL and experience in at least one other SQL
database required. Ability to configure or set-up database connectivity
- Working knowledge of Linux and familiarity with a second operating system
- Working knowledge of network topology/security required
- BS degree or 4-6 years hands-on work experience

**The Facts
Location: Sebastopol, CA
Status: Full-time
Education: College
Travel: No
Telecommuting: no
Contact Us
Jobs@O'Reilly
O'Reilly Media, Inc.
1005 Gravenstein Highway North
Sebastopol, CA 95472
Fax: 707-829-9610
Email: jobs@oreilly.com
No phone calls please.



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Marsee Henon
O'Reilly
1005 Gravenstein Highway North  Sebastopol,   CA   95472
707-827-7103     800-998-9938     Fax 707-829-0104
marsee@oreilly.com
http://ug.oreilly.com/  http://www.oreilly.com/
http://conferences.oreilly.com/

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

-------------------------------------------------------


From blyman at iii.com  Wed Jul 21 14:42:26 2004
From: blyman at iii.com (Belden Lyman)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:42 2004
Subject: [JOB] [oak perl] Fwd: O'Reilly Looking for a Perl
	Programmer--Sebastopol, CA
In-Reply-To: <200407211237.06561.george@metaart.org>
References: <200407211237.06561.george@metaart.org>
Message-ID: <1090438945.21853.113.camel@ls104>


Hmm, I'm surprised this hasn't been filled yet: it's been open for
a few months on jobs.perl.org, hasn't it?




From tonys at oreillynet.com  Wed Jul 21 15:10:11 2004
From: tonys at oreillynet.com (Tony Stubblebine)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:42 2004
Subject: [JOB] [oak perl] Fwd: O'Reilly Looking for a
	Perl	Programmer--Sebastopol, CA
In-Reply-To: <1090438945.21853.113.camel@ls104>
References: <200407211237.06561.george@metaart.org>
	<1090438945.21853.113.camel@ls104>
Message-ID: <40FECDA3.4090900@oreillynet.com>

I think you're talking about this one:
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/j/12

That's new and it's in my group. This is definitely a great place to 
work; so get the word out and the resumes in =)

We do also have two other openings, both for perl programmers, that have 
been open for a long time.
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/j/38
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/j/41

--tony

Belden Lyman wrote:
> Hmm, I'm surprised this hasn't been filled yet: it's been open for
> a few months on jobs.perl.org, hasn't it?
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Oakland@mail.pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland

From george at metaart.org  Thu Jul 22 19:28:11 2004
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:42 2004
Subject: [oak perl] Fwd: Newsletter from O'Reilly UG Program, July 22
Message-ID: <200407221728.11187.george@metaart.org>

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From george at metaart.org  Thu Jul 22 20:26:15 2004
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:42 2004
Subject: [oak perl] Discounts
Message-ID: <200407221826.15541.george@metaart.org>

Very recently, 
the topic of discounts 
has come up twice
in emails from group members.
(yesterday and today)

My understanding is that
using the DSUG discount code,
you can get a 20% discount on:
* O'Reilly books and also
      - No Starch books 
      - Paraglyph books 
      - Pragmatic Bookshelf books 
      - Syngress books 
* O'Reilly conferences.

For books
it's worth comparing prices.
Two money saving thoughts:
* second hand books
* books on CDs





From george at metaart.org  Mon Jul 26 17:13:16 2004
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:42 2004
Subject: [oak perl] A Test
Message-ID: <200407261513.16278.george@metaart.org>

This is merely a test to make sure everything is working.


From mruggiero at formfactor.com  Mon Jul 26 17:11:25 2004
From: mruggiero at formfactor.com (Michael Ruggiero)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:42 2004
Subject: [oak perl] A Test
Message-ID: <81E9E591B71B614888AB1E1D923DA385032C620F@EMAIL.formfactor.com>

Looks good.

-----Original Message-----
From: George Woolley [mailto:george@metaart.org]
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 3:13 PM
To: oakland@mail.pm.org
Subject: [oak perl] A Test


This is merely a test to make sure everything is working.

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From cpm at bitbucket.com  Tue Jul 27 00:42:03 2004
From: cpm at bitbucket.com (Craig McLaughlin)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:42 2004
Subject: [oak perl] A Test
In-Reply-To: <200407261513.16278.george@metaart.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0407262241150.17315-100000@rusalka.bitbucket.com>



I'm working!  I'm working!  I'm working!

Oh, wait.. that isn't what you meant?  Will this test be a major part of 
our final grade?  I hate pop quizzes...

Broken (in the head, clearly),
--Craig



On Mon, 26 Jul 2004, George Woolley wrote:

> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 15:13:16 -0700
> From: George Woolley <george@metaart.org>
> Reply-To: Oakland Perl Mongers <oakland@mail.pm.org>
> To: oakland@mail.pm.org
> Subject: [oak perl] A Test
> 
> 
> This is merely a test to make sure everything is working.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Oakland mailing list
> Oakland@mail.pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland
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> <!DSPAM:4105816b122527405610280>
> 


From george at metaart.org  Tue Jul 27 03:07:09 2004
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:42 2004
Subject: [oak perl] A Test
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0407262241150.17315-100000@rusalka.bitbucket.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0407262241150.17315-100000@rusalka.bitbucket.com>
Message-ID: <200407270107.09760.george@metaart.org>

Craig,
Congratulations!

I've learned that the way I interpret my own words
is not always the best way (even for me).
Anyway, sounds like a constructive job
of reframing to me.

I don't much like tests, even if announced.
Grade, if you wish one: A+!

Well, having work will likely repair
that perceived broken head.

George


On Monday 26 July 2004 10:42 pm, Craig McLaughlin wrote:
> I'm working!  I'm working!  I'm working!
>
> Oh, wait.. that isn't what you meant?  Will this test be a major part of
> our final grade?  I hate pop quizzes...
>
> Broken (in the head, clearly),
> --Craig
>
> On Mon, 26 Jul 2004, George Woolley wrote:
> >
> > This is merely a test to make sure everything is working.


From george at metaart.org  Thu Jul 29 14:39:41 2004
From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:33:42 2004
Subject: [oak perl] LinuxWorld - Free Pass?
Message-ID: <200407291239.41152.george@metaart.org>

I asked for and Marsee sent me
some free Exhibit Hall passes.
Anyone want one?
George