From shooshidar at earthlink.net Tue Jul 1 06:54:25 2003 From: shooshidar at earthlink.net (Siamak Hooshidar) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:33 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Germany 1-Microsoft 0 In-Reply-To: <200306281701.h5SH1Ka04793@mail.pm.org> References: <200306281701.h5SH1Ka04793@mail.pm.org> Message-ID: http://observer.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0,6903,982275,00.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/oakland/attachments/20030701/dcebd1b0/attachment.htm From george at metaart.org Tue Jul 1 09:00:08 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:33 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Germany 1-Microsoft 0 In-Reply-To: References: <200306281701.h5SH1Ka04793@mail.pm.org> Message-ID: <200307010700.08091.george@metaart.org> Siamak, I'd heard mention of this, but hadn't read about it before. Thanks for posting the link. On Tuesday 01 July 2003 4:54 am, Siamak Hooshidar wrote: > http://observer.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0,6903,982275,00.html From george at metaart.org Tue Jul 1 21:34:11 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:33 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Is this true? Message-ID: <200307011934.11614.george@metaart.org> f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgrmmng. (lgn mssg I rcvd rcntly) From david at fetter.org Tue Jul 1 21:59:39 2003 From: david at fetter.org (David Fetter) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:33 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Is this true? In-Reply-To: <200307011934.11614.george@metaart.org> References: <200307011934.11614.george@metaart.org> Message-ID: <20030702025939.GC22893@fetter.org> On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 07:34:11PM -0700, George Woolley wrote: > f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgrmmng. > (lgn mssg I rcvd rcntly) Wll, y cn gt a gd jb sng nx cmmnd lns, nywy ;) Chrs, D -- David Fetter david@fetter.org http://fetter.org/ phone: +1 510 893 6100 cell: +1 415 235 3778 From david at wheeler.net Wed Jul 2 00:27:56 2003 From: david at wheeler.net (David Wheeler) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:33 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Is this true? In-Reply-To: <20030702025939.GC22893@fetter.org> Message-ID: On Tuesday, July 1, 2003, at 07:59 PM, David Fetter wrote: >> f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgrmmng. >> (lgn mssg I rcvd rcntly) > > Wll, y cn gt a gd jb sng nx cmmnd lns, nywy ;) ctlly, ts nt tht nsl n sm lnggs t lv t th vwls. Hbrw cms t mnd. David -- David Wheeler AIM: dwTheory david@kineticode.com ICQ: 15726394 http://kineticode.com/ Yahoo!: dew7e Jabber: Theory@jabber.org Kineticode. Setting knowledge in motion.[sm] From david at fetter.org Wed Jul 2 01:12:06 2003 From: david at fetter.org (David Fetter) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:33 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Is this true? In-Reply-To: References: <20030702025939.GC22893@fetter.org> Message-ID: <20030702061206.GD22893@fetter.org> On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 10:27:56PM -0700, David Wheeler wrote: > On Tuesday, July 1, 2003, at 07:59 PM, David Fetter wrote: > >>f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgrmmng. (lgn mssg I rcvd > >>rcntly) > >Wll, y cn gt a gd jb sng nx cmmnd lns, nywy ;) > ctlly, ts nt tht nsl n sm lnggs t lv t th vwls. Hbrw cms t mnd. Th bg nnvtn n ncnt Grk ws th d f vwls s lttrs--bfr tht, lnggs wth lphbts hd vwls s mrks--Hbrw, s y mntnd, rbc, rmc, rmn, mhrc, Phrs, tc. F y vr gt a chnc, tk a trp t srl--th whl cntr's lk a gnt gssng gm. (n mr wys thn n :) Chrs, D -- Dvd Fttr dvd@fttr.rg http://fttr.rg/ phn: +1 510 893 6100 cll: +1 415 235 3778 From blyman at iii.com Wed Jul 2 10:35:19 2003 From: blyman at iii.com (Belden Lyman) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:33 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Is this true? References: <20030702025939.GC22893@fetter.org> <20030702061206.GD22893@fetter.org> Message-ID: <3F02FBB7.4070902@iii.com> David Fetter wrote: > On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 10:27:56PM -0700, David Wheeler wrote: > >>On Tuesday, July 1, 2003, at 07:59 PM, David Fetter wrote: > > >>>>f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgrmmng. (lgn mssg I rcvd >>>>rcntly) >>> > >>>Wll, y cn gt a gd jb sng nx cmmnd lns, nywy ;) >> > >>ctlly, ts nt tht nsl n sm lnggs t lv t th vwls. Hbrw cms t mnd. > > > Th bg nnvtn n ncnt Grk ws th d f vwls s lttrs--bfr tht, lnggs wth > lphbts hd vwls s mrks--Hbrw, s y mntnd, rbc, rmc, rmn, mhrc, Phrs, tc. > > F y vr gt a chnc, tk a trp t srl--th whl cntr's lk a gnt gssng gm. (n > mr wys thn n :) > O ou a i ou iue a oe a eue a ooa, e eae eoe u ae o ea. (I-'- -e-- -o i---u-e -o-e e---a i--o--a-io-, -i-e --i-.) -e--e- From george at metaart.org Wed Jul 2 18:15:53 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:33 2004 Subject: [oak perl] July Oakland.pm Meeting Message-ID: <200307021615.53993.george@metaart.org> This is just a heads up for the Oakland.pm meeting next Tuesday. Below is the announcement followed by some notes should you wish to know what's planned. .......................................... cut & paste from Oakland.pm website at http://oakland.pm.org/ ........................................ Come to our next meeting: when: Tue. July 8, 2003 7:30pm-9:30pm. (We meet 2nd Tuesdays) where: Arden Schaeffer's place 413 61st Street, Oakland CA directions: original, Arden's theme: Readable Code what: introductions a lottery short talks & lightning talks ... who: open to anyone interested. how much: no fee for our meetings. ................................... Some Notes ................................... Hm, 6 days from now. Here's some of what I'm expecting: * seeing, being with, talking to some other Perl types. * a lottery using Edwin's Toy Lottery which exists in slightly different forms on his site (see his earlier post) and at http://camelot.pm.org/ (click on, duh, toy lottery). * talks related to Readable Code. You know, code that you can read, enjoy?, benefit from later. Readable like that. See 6/26 messages from Robert and Edwin in the archive for what two of the talks are about. * a lightning talk by Mark that involves both Schoenberg and Perl. * taking of some photographs by Robert * checking if anyone has anything to say about PBML, especially how it survived the move. (it seems to be back in business!) * showing off our group books and talking about what to do with them * ... From george at metaart.org Wed Jul 2 21:10:45 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:33 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Thanks, July Meeting In-Reply-To: <3EEF871C.1040703@iii.com> References: <3EEF871C.1040703@iii.com> Message-ID: <200307021910.45798.george@metaart.org> Belden, I thought the going away dinner for Mike was excellent. Thanks for arranging that! Do you think you'll be able to come to the meeting on Tuesday? The theme is Readable Code. Would you like to give any kind of short or lightning talk at the meeting? George From george at metaart.org Thu Jul 3 21:21:27 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:33 2004 Subject: [oak perl] New O'Reilly Newsletter Message-ID: <200307031921.27433.george@metaart.org> The latest O'Reilly UG newsletter is on our site at http://oakland.pm.org/oreilly/2003/newsletter_20030703.txt should you wish to read it. George From george at metaart.org Sat Jul 5 13:25:22 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:33 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Re: mailman upgraded In-Reply-To: <20030705151001.GA3072@broadq.com> References: <20030705151001.GA3072@broadq.com> Message-ID: <200307051125.22181.george@metaart.org> Mailman was just upgraded, from 2.0.9 to 2.1.2. My understanding is that for the most part we should be unaffected. I was asked to and did look at our set up, which was translated to fit the new system. However, if something doesn't seem quite right, let me know. George P.S. This email also serves as a primitive test that basic functionality still works for us. From a_lamothe at operamail.com Mon Jul 7 21:25:17 2003 From: a_lamothe at operamail.com (Adrien Lamothe) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:33 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Re: mailman upgraded Message-ID: <20030708022517.18605.qmail@operamail.com> It worked for me, I received the message. ----- Original Message ----- From: George Woolley Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 11:25:22 -0700 To: oakland@mail.pm.org Subject: [oak perl] Re: mailman upgraded > Mailman was just upgraded, from 2.0.9 to 2.1.2. > My understanding is that for the most part we should be unaffected. > I was asked to and did look at our set up, > which was translated to fit the new system. > > However, if something doesn't seem quite right, let me know. > > George > > P.S. This email also serves as a primitive test > that basic functionality still works for us. > _______________________________________________ > Oakland mailing list > Oakland@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland -- ____________________________________________ http://www.operamail.com Get OperaMail Premium today - USD 29.99/year Powered by Outblaze From george at metaart.org Tue Jul 8 14:31:43 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:33 2004 Subject: [oak perl] July Oakland.pm Meeting Message-ID: <200307081231.43087.george@metaart.org> See some of you tonight at the meeting. George .......................................... cut & paste from Oakland.pm website at http://oakland.pm.org/ ........................................ Come to our next meeting: when: Tue. July 8, 2003 7:30pm-9:30pm. (We meet 2nd Tuesdays) where: Arden Schaeffer's place 413 61st Street, Oakland CA directions: original, Arden's theme: Readable Code what: introductions a lottery short talks & lightning talks ... who: open to anyone interested. how much: no fee for our meetings. ................................... Some Notes (very similar to 7/2 email) ................................... Hm, 6 days from now. Here's some of what I'm expecting: * seeing, being with, talking to some other Perl types. * a lottery using Edwin's Toy Lottery which exists in slightly different forms on his site (see his earlier post) and at http://camelot.pm.org/ (click on, duh, toy lottery). * talks related to Readable Code. You know, code that you can read, enjoy?, benefit from later. Readable like that. See 6/26 messages from Robert and Edwin in the archive for what two of the talks are about. * taking of some photographs by Robert * checking if anyone has anything to say about PBML, especially how it survived the move. (it seems to be back in business!) * showing off our group books and talking about what to do with them * ... From george at metaart.org Wed Jul 9 15:00:01 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:33 2004 Subject: [oak perl] July Meeting Message-ID: <200307091300.01034.george@metaart.org> There were 9 people at the meeting. We had a lottery for an O'Reilly T-shirt and an O'Reilly bag. This time plan a worked. We were able to access Edwin's server and use his Toy Lottery. We also distributed 5 O'Reilly books (but not using a lottery). ---------------------------------------------------------- We'll be having a modest lottery next month too. ---------------------------------------------------------- Most of the meeting was focused on the theme Readable Code. Edwin S, Robert Kuropkat and myself gave short talks and there was good deal of discussion. --------------------------------------------------------- Thank you, Edwin and Robert, and everyone there. ----------------- Next Month the Theme is Design Patterns. --------------------------------------------------------- 6 of us ended up staying until near midnight talking and eating the goodies provided by our hosts. --------------------------------------------------------- Thank you Arden. --------------------------------------------------------- George From george at metaart.org Wed Jul 9 15:32:59 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:33 2004 Subject: [oak perl] August Meeting Message-ID: <200307091332.59926.george@metaart.org> OK the August meeting announcement is on our website. The meeting is on Tuesday, August 12th. Below my "signature" is a cut and paste of the announcement and some brief notes about the meeting. Edwin S is planning this meeting with me. Edwin, do you have further comments at this time? George ............................................ cut & paste from our website at http://oakland.pm.org ........................................... Come to our next meeting: when: Tue. August 12, 2003 7:30pm-9:30pm. (We meet 2nd Tuesdays) where: Arden Schaeffer's place 413 61st Street, Oakland CA directions: original, Arden's theme: Design Patterns what: introductions another lottery brief reports & such: LinuxWorld Expo, ... short talk "using Perl for CGI" by Joshua Wait short talks, etc. on the theme ... who: open to anyone interested. how much: no fee for our meetings. ............. Notes ............. * Joshua may be willing to give a longer talk at a future meeting. * Edwin S has been planning this meeting with me. * Design Patterns as in GoF (i.e. Gang of Four) * Edwin and I will each be giving a short talk related to the theme. * Would you like to give a short talk or lightning talk related to the theme? Please interpret "related to loosely". From george at metaart.org Fri Jul 11 20:50:52 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:33 2004 Subject: [oak perl] New O'Reilly Newsletter Message-ID: <200307111850.52974.george@metaart.org> The latest O'Reilly UG newsletter is on our site at http://oakland.pm.org/oreilly/2003/newsletter_20030711.txt should you wish to read it. George extract from newsletter ..................................... ***LinuxWorld Exhibit, San Francisco, CA--Aug 5-7 Say hello to our friendly staff, and page through our latest publications, as well as our classic references, at our booth #1473. http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/linuxworldny03/V40/index.cvn? The Moscone Center 747 Howard Street San Francisco, CA http://www.moscone.com/ notes ......... I plan to go. I believe Adrien is going. Who else? From a_lamothe at operamail.com Sun Jul 13 01:01:40 2003 From: a_lamothe at operamail.com (Adrien Lamothe) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:33 2004 Subject: [oak perl] July meeting was very good. Message-ID: <20030713060141.10481.qmail@operamail.com> I really enjoyed the July meeting, especially the three presentations on the "Readable Code" theme. Its nice having more than one perspective on a topic. Robert Kuropkat's presentation on "Literate Programming" was well prepared and provided some lively debate (we weren't beating up on you Robert, honest.) Kudos to Robert for a fine presentation. -- ____________________________________________ http://www.operamail.com Get OperaMail Premium today - USD 29.99/year Powered by Outblaze From george at metaart.org Sun Jul 13 13:52:51 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:33 2004 Subject: [oak perl] July meeting was very good. > Literate Programming In-Reply-To: <20030713060141.10481.qmail@operamail.com> References: <20030713060141.10481.qmail@operamail.com> Message-ID: <200307131152.51140.george@metaart.org> If I understood correctly, Robert is interested is in creating a group project in which we create something useful using Literate Programming. Robert, is that correct? <<<<<< If so, can you say a little more, so all can hear? I'm interested. Anyone else? <<<<<< On Saturday 12 July 2003 11:01 pm, Adrien Lamothe wrote: > I really enjoyed the July meeting, especially the three > presentations on the "Readable Code" theme. Its nice having > more than one perspective on a topic. Robert Kuropkat's > presentation on "Literate Programming" was well prepared > and provided some lively debate (we weren't beating up on > you Robert, honest.) Kudos to Robert for a fine presentation. From george at metaart.org Sun Jul 13 13:53:17 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:33 2004 Subject: [oak perl] July meeting was very good. In-Reply-To: <20030713060141.10481.qmail@operamail.com> References: <20030713060141.10481.qmail@operamail.com> Message-ID: <200307131153.17236.george@metaart.org> Adrien, Well, this is useful feedback. Thanks. George On Saturday 12 July 2003 11:01 pm, Adrien Lamothe wrote: > I really enjoyed the July meeting, especially the three > presentations on the "Readable Code" theme. Its nice having > more than one perspective on a topic. Robert Kuropkat's > presentation on "Literate Programming" was well prepared > and provided some lively debate (we weren't beating up on > you Robert, honest.) Kudos to Robert for a fine presentation. From extasia at extasia.org Sun Jul 13 22:18:51 2003 From: extasia at extasia.org (David Alban) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:33 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Disk usage reporter Message-ID: <20030713201851.A15585@gerasimov.net> Greetings! Need to clear some disk space? Too much stuff in your account? Want to quickly see where the biggest files and directories are? I finally rewrote in perl a shell program I've been using for years.[1] If you're interested, check out: http://extasia.org/code/duchk/ There's some example output there to give you an idea of why you might find it useful. And if you do find it useful, let me know. :-) David [1] So ... many ... more ... shell ... programs ... to ... rewrite ... -- Live in a world of your own, but always welcome visitors. *** Cave fruticem. http://www.extasia.org/cave-fruticem/ Come to sig-beer-west! http://www.extasia.org/sig-beer-west/ Unix sysadmin available: http://www.extasia.org/resume/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/oakland/attachments/20030713/c91ffe6d/attachment.bin From edwincime at yahoo.com Sun Jul 13 22:28:36 2003 From: edwincime at yahoo.com (Edwin s) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:33 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Disk usage reporter In-Reply-To: <20030713201851.A15585@gerasimov.net> Message-ID: <20030714032836.58426.qmail@web41812.mail.yahoo.com> David, I'll try it out, thanks. Edwin David Alban wrote: Greetings! Need to clear some disk space? Too much stuff in your account? Want to quickly see where the biggest files and directories are? I finally rewrote in perl a shell program I've been using for years.[1] If you're interested, check out: http://extasia.org/code/duchk/ There's some example output there to give you an idea of why you might find it useful. And if you do find it useful, let me know. :-) David [1] So ... many ... more ... shell ... programs ... to ... rewrite ... -- Live in a world of your own, but always welcome visitors. *** Cave fruticem. http://www.extasia.org/cave-fruticem/ Come to sig-beer-west! http://www.extasia.org/sig-beer-west/ Unix sysadmin available: http://www.extasia.org/resume/ > ATTACHMENT part 1.2 application/pgp-signature _______________________________________________ Oakland mailing list Oakland@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From extasia at extasia.org Mon Jul 14 16:23:12 2003 From: extasia at extasia.org (David Alban) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:33 2004 Subject: [oak perl] SIG-BEER-WEST this Saturday 7/19 in San Francisco Message-ID: <20030714142312.A28680@gerasimov.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 SIG-beer-west Saturday, July 19, 2003 at 6:00pm San Francisco, CA Beer. Mental stimulation. This event: Saturday, 07/19/2003, 6:00pm, at the Toronado, San Francisco Coming events (third Saturdays): Saturday, 08/16/2003, 6:00pm, location to be determined Saturday, 09/20/2003, 6:00pm, location to be determined Saturday, 10/18/2003, 6:00pm, location to be determined Saturday, 11/15/2003, 6:00pm, location to be determined San Francisco's next social event for computer sysadmins and their friends, sig-beer-west, will take place on Saturday, July 19, 2003 at the [1]Toronado in San Francisco, CA. The Toronado has an impressive selection of [2]draught and [3]bottled beer. Festivities will start at 6:00pm and continue until we've all left. The Toronado has an excellent selection of beer, but no food. It is perfectly okay to score food from neighboring establishments and bring it back to the Toronado to eat. Also, after we are all full with beer we may roam off to a nearby restaurant. [1] http://www.toronado.com/ [2] http://www.toronado.com/draft.htm [3] http://www.toronado.com/bottles.htm Everyone is welcome at this event. We mean it! Please feel free to forward this information and to invite friends, co-workers, and others who might enjoy lifting a glass with interesting folks from all over the place. (O.K., you do have to be of legal drinking age to attend.) For directions to the Toronado, please use the [4]excellent directions at their website. When you show up at the Toronado, you should look for some kind of home made sig-beer-west sign. We will try to make it obvious who we are. :-) [4] http://www.toronado.com/map.htm Note: Check the tables in the back room for us if you don't see us at the tables by the bar. The back room is back and to the left. Can't come this month? Mark your calendar for next month. sig-beer-west is always on the third Saturday of the month. Any Comments, Questions, or Suggestions of Things to Do Later on That Evening ... email [5]Fiid or [6]David. [5] fiid .AT. fiid .DOT. net [6] extasia .AT. extasia .DOT. org There is a sig-beer-west mailing list. To subscribe, send an email with "subscribe" in the body to . sig-beer-west FAQ 1. Q: Your announcement says "computer sysadmins and their friends". How do I know if I'm a friend of a computer sysadmin? I don't even know what one is. A: You're a friend of a computer sysadmin if you can find the sig-beer-west sign at this month's sig-beer-west event. 2. Q: I'm not really a beer person. In fact I'm interested in hanging out, but not in drinking. Would I be welcome? A: Absolutely! The point is to hang out with fun, interesting folks. Please do join us. 3. Q: Is parking difficult around the Toronado, like maybe I should factor this into my travel time? A: Yes. ______________________________________________________________________ sig-beer-west was started in February 2002 when a couple Washington, D.C. based systems administrators who moved to the San Francisco Bay area wanted to continue a [7]dc-sage tradition, sig-beer, which is described in dc-sage web space as: SIG-beer, as in "Special Interest Group - Beer" ala ACM, or as in "send the BEER signal to that process". The original SIG-beer gathering takes place in Washington DC, usually on the first Saturday night of the month. [7] http://www.dc-sage.org/ ______________________________________________________________________ - -- Live in a world of your own, but always welcome visitors. *** Cave fruticem. http://www.extasia.org/cave-fruticem/ Come to sig-beer-west! http://www.extasia.org/sig-beer-west/ Unix sysadmin available: http://www.extasia.org/resume/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE/ExIVPh0M9c/OpdARAsbbAJ0W0P5HRFPiqcxQ52kQp4CU9/8hTgCgny11 TRimLsCxWC3UMG1xyEA0J2I= =w8+A -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From george at metaart.org Wed Jul 16 14:29:23 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:33 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Linux Movies?, buug? Message-ID: <200307161229.23164.george@metaart.org> Linux Movies: I've been unsuccessful accessing the Linux Movies site since July 11. [Before that, I'd been accessing it regularly for some time.] I'm especially interested in the calendar at: http://www.linuxmovies.org/san.francisco.date.html Does anyone know what's going on with Linux Movies? <<< buug: [I think that stands for Berkeley Unix Users Group.] The last email I received from the buug mailing list was July 7. [Before that, I'd received email from that list in spurts. But the gap between emails has never been this long before.] I've also tried unsuccessfully to access the listinfo for the mailing list at: http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug [That's taken from their welcome letter.] Does anyone know what's going on with buug? <<< From george at metaart.org Wed Jul 16 16:53:45 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:33 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Looking Ahead: Bricolage Presentation Message-ID: <200307161453.45667.george@metaart.org> Everyone, I just received confirmation that David Wheeler will be giving us a Bricolage Presentation for our October meeting. [Thanks, David.] What's Bricolage? Well, I gather it's * a comprehensive content management system * written in Perl * open source That's about what I know, plus that the references I see to it are unusually positive. If I understand correctly, David is the lead developer and maintainer for Bricolage. George ======================================= David, if you see this post and have time, please: * correct any errors or misstatements I've made, * expand on anything you wish to and/or * make a suggestion on how to start learning about Bricolage. George ======================================= From robert-kuropkat at comcast.net Wed Jul 16 17:07:28 2003 From: robert-kuropkat at comcast.net (robert-kuropkat@comcast.net) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:33 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Looking Ahead: Bricolage Presentation Message-ID: <200307162207.h6GM7cM02350@mail.pm.org> Aw, way cool! I believe he talked to the SF-PM group a month or two ago and I was not able to attend. I am really looking forward to this because I am looking for a content management system that will run on OS/2. I was trying to get Zope/Plone to work, but it is problematic at the moment on OS/2. Besides, Zope/Plone is all that Python stuff... :) I look forward to seeing Bricolage in action! Robert Kuropkat > Everyone, > I just received confirmation that David Wheeler > will be giving us a Bricolage Presentation > for our October meeting. > [Thanks, David.] > > What's Bricolage? > Well, I gather it's > * a comprehensive content management system > * written in Perl > * open source > That's about what I know, > plus that the references I see to it > are unusually positive. > > If I understand correctly, > David is the lead developer and maintainer for Bricolage. > George > ======================================= > David, if you see this post and have time, > please: > * correct any errors or misstatements I've made, > * expand on anything you wish to and/or > * make a suggestion on how to start learning > about Bricolage. > George > ======================================= > > > _______________________________________________ > Oakland mailing list > Oakland@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland From david at fetter.org Wed Jul 16 17:09:56 2003 From: david at fetter.org (David Fetter) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:33 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Looking Ahead: Bricolage Presentation In-Reply-To: <200307161453.45667.george@metaart.org> References: <200307161453.45667.george@metaart.org> Message-ID: <20030716220956.GE30307@fetter.org> On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 02:53:45PM -0700, George Woolley wrote: > Everyone, > I just received confirmation that David Wheeler > will be giving us a Bricolage Presentation > for our October meeting. > [Thanks, David.] > > What's Bricolage? > Well, I gather it's > * a comprehensive content management system > * written in Perl > * open source > That's about what I know, plus that the references I see to it are > unusually positive. It's all that, and based on PostgreSQL. It's had some giant deployments & beats out proprietary content management systems that run into the 7 (seven!) figures. Cheers, A Different D -- David Fetter david@fetter.org http://fetter.org/ phone: +1 510 893 6100 cell: +1 415 235 3778 From cpm at bitbucket.com Wed Jul 16 17:22:55 2003 From: cpm at bitbucket.com (Craig McLaughlin) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:33 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Looking Ahead: Bricolage Presentation In-Reply-To: <200307161453.45667.george@metaart.org> References: <200307161453.45667.george@metaart.org> Message-ID: <1058394171.4716.23.camel@sith.bitbucket.com> Bricolage is also the showpiece application for Mason (http://www.masonhq.com). Mason and Bricolage both significantly rock. Mason + Mod_perl pretty much make me ask the question "Do I *really* need to continue to spend brain cells on PHP?" on a regular basis. --Craig On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 14:53, George Woolley wrote: > > Everyone, > I just received confirmation that David Wheeler > will be giving us a Bricolage Presentation > for our October meeting. > [Thanks, David.] > > What's Bricolage? > Well, I gather it's > * a comprehensive content management system > * written in Perl > * open source > That's about what I know, > plus that the references I see to it > are unusually positive. > > If I understand correctly, > David is the lead developer and maintainer for Bricolage. > George > ======================================David, if you see this post and have time, > please: > * correct any errors or misstatements I've made, > * expand on anything you wish to and/or > * make a suggestion on how to start learning > about Bricolage. > George > ======================================= > > > _______________________________________________ > Oakland mailing list > Oakland@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland > > From george at metaart.org Wed Jul 16 21:56:06 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:33 2004 Subject: [oak perl] State of the Onion: July 16, 2003 Message-ID: <200307161956.06468.george@metaart.org> Well, I've been watching for the State of the Onion on the web. This appears to be it. http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2003/07/16/soto2003.html From david at kineticode.com Thu Jul 17 16:39:04 2003 From: david at kineticode.com (David Wheeler) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:33 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Looking Ahead: Bricolage Presentation In-Reply-To: <200307161453.45667.george@metaart.org> Message-ID: <162885E0-B89F-11D7-AB2E-0003931A964A@kineticode.com> On Wednesday, July 16, 2003, at 02:53 PM, George Woolley wrote: > Everyone, > I just received confirmation that David Wheeler > will be giving us a Bricolage Presentation > for our October meeting. > [Thanks, David.] My pleasure. > What's Bricolage? > Well, I gather it's > * a comprehensive content management system > * written in Perl > * open source > That's about what I know, > plus that the references I see to it > are unusually positive. That's a good start. There's more information on the Bricolage site, as well as the Kineticode site. See the "News" section of the Kineticode site for links to articles about Bricolage. http://bricolage.cc/ http://kineticode.com/ > If I understand correctly, > David is the lead developer and maintainer for Bricolage. Yes, and I founded Kineticode to provide consulting and support services for Bricolage, as well. > David, if you see this post and have time, > please: > * correct any errors or misstatements I've made, None so far. > * expand on anything you wish to and/or See the sites mentioned above. > * make a suggestion on how to start learning > about Bricolage. Bricolage is open source. You can download it and install it and play with it if you like (requires Apache with static mod_perl, PostgreSQL, and several million CPAN modules). I've also written an introduction to Bricolage that has been published as Appendix D in the O'Reilly Mason book. http://www.masonbook.com/ And of course, all of the documentation is on the Bricolage web site, including some introductory documents, a FAQ, and a couple of HOWTOs. http://bricolage.cc/documentation.html See you all in February! Regards, David -- David Wheeler AIM: dwTheory david@kineticode.com ICQ: 15726394 http://kineticode.com/ Yahoo!: dew7e Jabber: Theory@jabber.org Kineticode. Setting knowledge in motion.[sm] From david at kineticode.com Thu Jul 17 16:41:22 2003 From: david at kineticode.com (David Wheeler) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:33 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Looking Ahead: Bricolage Presentation In-Reply-To: <200307162207.h6GM7cM02350@mail.pm.org> Message-ID: <68C1CF04-B89F-11D7-AB2E-0003931A964A@kineticode.com> On Wednesday, July 16, 2003, at 03:07 PM, robert-kuropkat@comcast.net wrote: > Aw, way cool! I believe he talked to the SF-PM group a month or two > ago and I > was not able to attend. I am really looking forward to this because I > am > looking for a content management system that will run on OS/2. I was > trying to > get Zope/Plone to work, but it is problematic at the moment on OS/2. > Besides, > Zope/Plone is all that Python stuff... :) I'm not sure if it'll run on OS/2. It doesn't run on Windoze. It requires Apache 1.3.x with mod_perl statically compiled in, a PostgreSQL 7.1 or later server (use 7.3.3, please!), and loads of CPAN modules. Most likely it'll work if you can get those applications working. It might require some patches for things like file and directory stuff, but otherwise, it just might work. Experiments welcome. Join the bricolage-devel mail list and let us know how it goes! http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=34789 Regards, David -- David Wheeler AIM: dwTheory david@kineticode.com ICQ: 15726394 http://kineticode.com/ Yahoo!: dew7e Jabber: Theory@jabber.org Kineticode. Setting knowledge in motion.[sm] From blyman at iii.com Thu Jul 17 17:22:30 2003 From: blyman at iii.com (Belden Lyman) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:33 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Looking Ahead: Bricolage Presentation References: <162885E0-B89F-11D7-AB2E-0003931A964A@kineticode.com> Message-ID: <3F1721A6.2020503@iii.com> David Wheeler wrote: > On Wednesday, July 16, 2003, at 02:53 PM, George Woolley wrote: > >> Everyone, >> I just received confirmation that David Wheeler >> will be giving us a Bricolage Presentation >> for our October meeting. > > See you all in February! > Not October? Belden "El Obtuso" From george at metaart.org Thu Jul 17 17:25:24 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:33 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Looking Ahead: Bricolage Presentation In-Reply-To: <3F1721A6.2020503@iii.com> References: <162885E0-B89F-11D7-AB2E-0003931A964A@kineticode.com> <3F1721A6.2020503@iii.com> Message-ID: <200307171525.24869.george@metaart.org> Belden, My understanding is October also. I emailed David (a few minutes ago) to see if he wants to change it to February. George On Thursday 17 July 2003 3:22 pm, Belden Lyman wrote: > David Wheeler wrote: > > On Wednesday, July 16, 2003, at 02:53 PM, George Woolley wrote: > >> Everyone, > >> I just received confirmation that David Wheeler > >> will be giving us a Bricolage Presentation > >> for our October meeting. > > > > See you all in February! > > Not October? > > Belden "El Obtuso" > > _______________________________________________ > Oakland mailing list > Oakland@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland From george at metaart.org Thu Jul 17 18:00:44 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:33 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Looking Ahead: Bricolage Presentation Message-ID: <200307171600.44176.george@metaart.org> Belden and All, That was quick. David just reconfirmed October off-list. George P.S. I am really looking forward to his presentation. I gather I am not alone. ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Re: [oak perl] Looking Ahead: Bricolage Presentation Date: Thursday 17 July 2003 3:25 pm From: George Woolley To: Oakland Perl Mongers Belden, My understanding is October also. I emailed David (a few minutes ago) to see if he wants to change it to February. George On Thursday 17 July 2003 3:22 pm, Belden Lyman wrote: > David Wheeler wrote: > > On Wednesday, July 16, 2003, at 02:53 PM, George Woolley wrote: > >> Everyone, > >> I just received confirmation that David Wheeler > >> will be giving us a Bricolage Presentation > >> for our October meeting. > > > > See you all in February! > > Not October? > > Belden "El Obtuso" > > _______________________________________________ > Oakland mailing list > Oakland@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland _______________________________________________ Oakland mailing list Oakland@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland ------------------------------------------------------- From george at metaart.org Fri Jul 18 22:48:33 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:33 2004 Subject: [oak perl] New O'Reilly Newsletter Message-ID: <200307182048.33475.george@metaart.org> The latest O'Reilly UG newsletter is on our site at http://oakland.pm.org/oreilly/2003/newsletter_20030718.txt should you wish to read it. George From george at metaart.org Sun Jul 20 18:50:23 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:33 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Possible Job Lead In-Reply-To: <29EC48AE-BA40-11D7-B9FD-0003933F4BA6@infomania.com> References: <29EC48AE-BA40-11D7-B9FD-0003933F4BA6@infomania.com> Message-ID: <200307201650.23517.george@metaart.org> I have received a moderately long inquiry that involves job opportunities. (See extract after my "signature".) Some of you may wish to look into it. If so, contact the sender at the email address provided. Note: I'm just passing this on. I know more or less nothing about it. George Extract from Inquiry ------------------------ person recruiting: * a Perl programming professional * does contracting work on the side * email: Tom Mornini * wants to meet with prospects in person company: * a large employer in Seattle * offers stability, good pay, benefits and perks looking for: * a large number of qualified Perl programmers * full time employees willing to move to Seattle. * top Perl talent * communications skills, social skills, situational awareness and business saavy environment: * nearly 100% mod_perl/Mason From george at metaart.org Thu Jul 24 00:51:33 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:33 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Revew of "Perl 6 Essentials" Message-ID: <200307232251.33794.george@metaart.org> There is a Review of "Perl 6 Essentials" on our site at http://oakland.pm.org/reviews/perl6.html should you wish to look at it. From mtheo at amural.com Thu Jul 24 18:38:31 2003 From: mtheo at amural.com (Mark Theodoropoulos) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:33 2004 Subject: [oak perl] OT: LCD projector rental? Message-ID: <3F200B87.8571.E7F548@localhost> Off-topic, but this is probably the most effective group to ask in. Can anyone recommend a local outfit for short-term rental of a data projector? Needed only for my dad's memorial service next Friday afternoon, 8/1, so two days is plenty. (I know, sounds a little strange; but in the '60s he was a gifted photographer in medium-format monochrome, and we want to show a small sampling of his work for those who knew nothing of this pursuit of his.) Last time I had to look into this was some years back now. I assume it's still an arm and a leg but that's not an issue, just availability, reliability, and maybe convenience being the main factors. No bells & whistles, just XGA with decent lumens. Has anyone used local rental firms lately? East Bay, SF, or Peninsula would be great, but anywhere in greater Bay Area is fine. Many thanks. Mark Theodoropoulos Berkeley -- producer / classics without walls the anti-warhorse zone / www.amural.com kusf 90.3fm / san francisco From george at metaart.org Fri Jul 25 00:22:41 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:33 2004 Subject: [oak perl] LinuxWorld In-Reply-To: <200307111850.52974.george@metaart.org> References: <200307111850.52974.george@metaart.org> Message-ID: <200307242222.41644.george@metaart.org> OK there are three of us going that I know of. My tentative plan is to be at the O'Reilly booth (#1473) at 2pm Tuesday August 5th in case anyone wishes to meet me there. It looks like Marsee Henon of O'Reilly will be there. I also plan to swing by the SuSE booth (#663) and get a stuffed SuSE Geeko. (Likely, I'll send it to my granddaughter Isabelle.) After that I expect to wander aimlessly. Not much of a plan, but based on past experience no plan at all is needed for LinuxWorld. George On Friday 11 July 2003 6:50 pm, George Woolley wrote: > The latest O'Reilly UG newsletter is on our site at > http://oakland.pm.org/oreilly/2003/newsletter_20030711.txt > should you wish to read it. > > George > > extract from newsletter > ..................................... > ***LinuxWorld Exhibit, San Francisco, CA--Aug 5-7 > Say hello to our friendly staff, and page through our latest > publications, as well as our classic references, at our booth #1473. > http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/linuxworldny03/V40/index.cvn? > > The Moscone Center > 747 Howard Street > San Francisco, CA > http://www.moscone.com/ From george at metaart.org Mon Jul 28 19:41:28 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:33 2004 Subject: [oak perl] New Newsletter + LinuxWorld Message-ID: <200307281741.28788.george@metaart.org> re newsletter: The latest newsletter is on our site at http://oakland.pm.org/oreilly/2003/newsletter_20030728.txt should you wish to look at it. re LinuxWorld: Well, it's in the newsletter, so likely Marsee really will be there. Hm, I know of 3 of us who plan to meet at the O'Reilly booth at 2pm on Tuesday Aug. 5th. Anyone else? George Snip from July 28, 2003 Newsletter ....................................................... ***Come See Me at LinuxWorld, San Francisco, CA--Aug 5 Stop by the O'Reilly booth #1473 and say hi to me on Tuesday, August 5. The show runs August 5-7. Here is the list of O'Reilly Events at LinuxWorld: http://linux.oreillynet.com/linux/linuxworld2003/ [me = Marsee Henon] Snip from a July 24 Post by me ................................................. OK there are three of us going that I know of. My tentative plan is to be at the O'Reilly booth (#1473) at 2pm Tuesday August 5th in case anyone wishes to meet me there. It looks like Marsee Henon of O'Reilly will be there. From cpm at bitbucket.com Mon Jul 28 19:55:58 2003 From: cpm at bitbucket.com (Craig McLaughlin) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:33 2004 Subject: [oak perl] New Newsletter + LinuxWorld In-Reply-To: <200307281741.28788.george@metaart.org> References: <200307281741.28788.george@metaart.org> Message-ID: <1059440155.3341.315.camel@sith.bitbucket.com> Barring anything weird (which unfortunately is my schedule's normal state), I'll be there. Cheers, --Craig On Mon, 2003-07-28 at 17:41, George Woolley wrote: > > re newsletter: > The latest newsletter is on our site at > http://oakland.pm.org/oreilly/2003/newsletter_20030728.txt > should you wish to look at it. > > re LinuxWorld: > Well, it's in the newsletter, > so likely Marsee really will be there. > Hm, I know of 3 of us who plan to meet > at the O'Reilly booth > at 2pm on Tuesday Aug. 5th. > Anyone else? > > George > > Snip from July 28, 2003 Newsletter > ....................................................... > ***Come See Me at LinuxWorld, San Francisco, CA--Aug 5 > Stop by the O'Reilly booth #1473 and say hi to me on Tuesday, August 5. > The show runs August 5-7. Here is the list of O'Reilly Events at > LinuxWorld: > http://linux.oreillynet.com/linux/linuxworld2003/ > [me = Marsee Henon] > > Snip from a July 24 Post by me > ................................................. > OK there are three of us going that I know of. > My tentative plan is to be at the O'Reilly booth (#1473) > at 2pm Tuesday August 5th > in case anyone wishes to meet me there. > It looks like Marsee Henon of O'Reilly will be there. > _______________________________________________ > Oakland mailing list > Oakland@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland > > From george at metaart.org Mon Jul 28 20:22:10 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:33 2004 Subject: [oak perl] New Newsletter + LinuxWorld In-Reply-To: <1059440155.3341.315.camel@sith.bitbucket.com> References: <200307281741.28788.george@metaart.org> <1059440155.3341.315.camel@sith.bitbucket.com> Message-ID: <200307281822.10166.george@metaart.org> Craig, That was fast! I hope it works out. I'm looking forward to LinuxWorld. George On Monday 28 July 2003 5:55 pm, Craig McLaughlin wrote: > Barring anything weird (which unfortunately is my schedule's normal > state), I'll be there. > > Cheers, > --Craig > > On Mon, 2003-07-28 at 17:41, George Woolley wrote: > > re newsletter: > > The latest newsletter is on our site at > > http://oakland.pm.org/oreilly/2003/newsletter_20030728.txt > > should you wish to look at it. > > > > re LinuxWorld: > > Well, it's in the newsletter, > > so likely Marsee really will be there. > > Hm, I know of 3 of us who plan to meet > > at the O'Reilly booth > > at 2pm on Tuesday Aug. 5th. > > Anyone else? > > > > George > > > > Snip from July 28, 2003 Newsletter > > ....................................................... > > ***Come See Me at LinuxWorld, San Francisco, CA--Aug 5 > > Stop by the O'Reilly booth #1473 and say hi to me on Tuesday, August 5. > > The show runs August 5-7. Here is the list of O'Reilly Events at > > LinuxWorld: > > http://linux.oreillynet.com/linux/linuxworld2003/ > > [me = Marsee Henon] > > > > Snip from a July 24 Post by me > > ................................................. > > OK there are three of us going that I know of. > > My tentative plan is to be at the O'Reilly booth (#1473) > > at 2pm Tuesday August 5th > > in case anyone wishes to meet me there. > > It looks like Marsee Henon of O'Reilly will be there. > > _______________________________________________ > > Oakland mailing list > > Oakland@mail.pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oakland mailing list > Oakland@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland From george at metaart.org Tue Jul 29 18:35:01 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:33:33 2004 Subject: [oak perl] Review of "Google Pocket Guide" Message-ID: <200307291635.01032.george@metaart.org> There's a review of the "Google Pocket Guide" on our site at: http://oakland.pm.org/reviews/google_pg.html should you wish to look at it.