From Elizabeth.Woods at msdw.com Sat Jan 1 15:17:30 2000 From: Elizabeth.Woods at msdw.com (Elizabeth Woods) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:30:54 2004 Subject: job postings Message-ID: <386E6EEA.EE561A44@msdw.com> I would like to post to you list - what exactly do I need to do? thanks From diane at tech-expo.com Fri Jan 7 12:27:31 2000 From: diane at tech-expo.com (Diane Yang) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:30:54 2004 Subject: Usergroup Website Message-ID: I happened to be looking at the website about your user group NY Perl Mongers and I thought I had some information you may be interested in. My name is Diane Yang, and I work for TECHEXPO. My company produces the largest technical recruiting events in the Northeast region. These career fairs are specifically for experienced computer and engineering professionals, and the events are located in NYC, LI, NJ, CT, and PA. The shows are a great opportunity for those who want a better job, or just to see what other possibilities may be out there! I could mail or e-mail you free invitations about the events to distribute to the other user group members. Your user group could possibly even exhibit at the shows for free! At this point though, I still need some more contact information from you that I could not get from the website. If you are interested or have any questions, please call or email me as soon as possible since the shows for this quarter begin at the end of this month. Feel free to visit the company website at www.techexpousa.com. I would really love to develop a working relationship and perhaps see you and your members at the show! Sincerely, Diane Yang TECHEXPO 276 5th Ave. Suite 1103 New York, NY 10001 dyang@techexpousa.com P (212) 655-4505 ext. 239 F (212) 655-4501 From david at whizziwig.com Tue Jan 11 21:16:05 2000 From: david at whizziwig.com (David Blackman) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:30:54 2004 Subject: Still looking for a job Message-ID: <20000111221605.A1749@localhost> I posted to the list earlier about a job, but most fell through for various reasons. Here is the deal: I am 15, therefore I cannot sign a legally binding contract. I have reference, zamansky@stuy.edu - CS teacher/mentor empreseast@aol.com - employer @ crescent cardboard william@brainlink.com - have done many coding projects together I know : -perl CGI HTML SQL/DBI perl/tk -C Unix C -Linux installation/configuration/maintenance -Win 9X installation/configuration/maintenance -Network Setup and maintenance -SAMBA, IPMASQ, APACHE, + other internet services. I am looking for a job that I can do most of the work remotely. I am a student at Stuyvesant High School, where I am a system administrator on our 100% Linux backend network thanks, David Blackman President Whizziwig Productions Inc. Rego Park, NY 11374-2035 (718)-275-0275 From info at techexpousa.com Thu Jan 13 10:51:36 2000 From: info at techexpousa.com (Janet Alhadef) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:30:54 2004 Subject: NY TECHEXPO Message-ID: January 13, 2000 Dear Friend, Hello, my name is Janet Alhadef, and I have an announcement I would like to present to you. In the past, your members have expressed interest in receiving free invitations to our upcoming events. My company, TECHEXPO, is sponsoring a career fair in New York specifically for experienced Computer and Engineering Professionals and we would like to extend you and your members a free invitation. Attached, please find personal invitations to TECHEXPO '00 in New York on January 27th, 2000. Please feel free to print and distribute this information about this great opportunity to your fellow user group members! If your members each bring an invitation to the show, they can enter to win a $100 CompUSA Voucher! If your user group would like to exhibit at the show for free, please don't hesitate to call us at (212) 655-4505, or email me at jalhadef@techexpoUSA.com. Also, please send me the mailing address for your group so we can send you material for upcoming events in your area. If you have any suggestions on how we can better serve you, please let us know. We would love to see you and your members at the show! Sincerely, Janet Alhadef TECHEXPO 276 5th Ave. Suite 1103 New York, New York 10001 Phone: (212) 655-4505 / Fax: (212) 655-4501 Email: jalhadef@techexpoUSA.com If you would like to be removed from our mailing list, please email me at jalhadef@techexpoUSA.com, Subject: Please Remove. _______________________________________________________________ You're Invited! Thursday, January 27th o 10 am - 6pm The Sheraton New York 7th Avenue at 53rd Street o New York City For travel directions only, call (212) 581-1000 Bring this invitation with you to the show and drop it off in the "User Group Drop Box" at the registration desk. At the end of the day, we will be drawing a winner for a $100 CompUSA voucher. Please provide your contact information below so we can mail it to you if you are the winner. _______________________________________________________________________ PLEASE PRINT Last Name _________________________________ First Name _________________________________ Address ____________________________________ City _________________ State ____ ZIP _______ E-mail ____________________________________ o If you can't attend, submit 1 resum? online at: www.techexpoUSA.com From malchus at tech-expo.com Fri Jan 14 16:34:55 2000 From: malchus at tech-expo.com (Michael Alchus) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:30:54 2004 Subject: TECHEXPO Message-ID: January 14, 2000 Dear Friend, On Thursday Jan. 27th, TECHEXPO will be hosting a recruiting event for the technology community at the Sheraton New York Hotel on 7th Ave. @ 53rd St. 10am to 6pm. We would like to extend your members a free invitation. There will be hundreds of open jobs such as Web Dev/Masters, Prgmrs, Ntwk Engrs, DBA's , Consultants, Proj. Leaders, Sys Admins, to interview for with top companies such as barnesandnoble.com, Sun Microsystems, Microsoft, Sybase, Bear Stearns, NASDAQ, Dow Jones and more. This event is in co-sponsorship with Alley Cat News, Silicon Alley Reporter, DigitalNew York, dice.com, Silicon Alley Festival . . . If your members are looking to assess their market worth, earn a hire income & upgrade their I/T jobs, this event is an ideal way to save a months time in one day. Visit www.techexpoUSA.com for details. Do you want to exhibit at the show for free? Do you have any suggestions on how we can better serve you? Please don't hesitate to call us at (212) 655-4505 ext. 221, or email us at Nshear@techexpoUSA.com. We would love your feedback. Sincerely, Nancy Shear TECHEXPO 276 5th Ave. Suite 1103 New York, New York 10001 Phone: (212) 655-4505 / Fax: (212) 655-4501 ext. 221 Email: Nshear@techexpoUSA.com This is a one time only, quarterly message. If you would like to be removed from our mailing list, please email us at Nshear@techexpoUSA.com Subject: Please Remove. From JoshNarins at aol.com Mon Jan 17 11:59:24 2000 From: JoshNarins at aol.com (JoshNarins@aol.com) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:30:54 2004 Subject: Hmmm Message-ID: If you are looking for work in NYC... sometimes you have to know who to avoid. This is a slam. I'm sure there is no legal reason stopping me from speaking the truth, but I am sure the person in question (an agent who posts regularly to this list) will come back with a bunch of vituperative non-truths. I have no contract with Beau Gold (nyc-search). He has posted my resume to this list and on the NYNMA job board without my permission. Who knows where else? (Not that I don't want my resume here or there, but he shouldn't be the one doing it, I should) Beau Gold is a misogynist. I have too much anecdotal evidence on this score to even mention. I have two separate clients who think he behaves in a non-professional, near-crazy manner. They didn't have anything to do with this, but I am sure that if there was a good reason, they could be called upon to confirm some of this email. He has some good qualities. For a while, he was getting me good jobs. He made unsolicited sexual advances via email to my girlfriend. From walker at pobox.com Mon Jan 17 12:17:02 2000 From: walker at pobox.com (D Roland Walker) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:30:54 2004 Subject: Hmmm In-Reply-To: ; from JoshNarins@aol.com on Mon, Jan 17, 2000 at 12:59:24PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000117131702.A26721@pobox.com> [JoshNarins writes] > I'm sure there is no legal reason stopping me from speaking the truth, Yes, the truth is the best defense in a lawsuit. But there are very good reasons, both legal and practical, to avoid any type of derogatory imputation on the list. Most importantly, it is off-topic. I hope the soon-to-be moderator will discuss it with me in private mail. R From JoshNarins at aol.com Mon Jan 17 12:29:05 2000 From: JoshNarins at aol.com (JoshNarins@aol.com) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:30:54 2004 Subject: Hmmm Message-ID: <92.5d3a1f.25b4b971@aol.com> Except it isn't really off topic. It has to do with having a perl job in NYC, doesn't it? From soren.andersen at mindspring.com Mon Jan 17 16:29:14 2000 From: soren.andersen at mindspring.com (Soren Andersen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:30:54 2004 Subject: Hmmm In-Reply-To: <20000117131702.A26721@pobox.com> References: ; from JoshNarins@aol.com on Mon, Jan 17, 2000 at 12:59:24PM -0500 Message-ID: <200001172229.RAA22739@smtp6.mindspring.com> On 17 Jan 00, an entity purporting to be D Roland Walker [D Roland Walker ] wrote [regarding Re: Hmmm] > [JoshNarins writes] > > I'm sure there is no legal reason stopping me from speaking the truth, > > Yes, the truth is the best defense in a lawsuit. > > But there are very good reasons, both legal and practical, to avoid > any type of derogatory imputation on the list. There are -- no argument there. At the same time, there are also very good reasons, fundamental and crucial, for strenuously working to preserve Josh's right to post such a message here. You can be sure of one thing, I personally will not stand by silently and see this list censored in such an across-the-board way as what I read into the statements made here. That in itself is illegal, and more importantly unethical; it violates very basic premises of our legal system and our civil society. I have a right and an earnest need to know when there are business people or business organizations (especially the latter) who are criminal in fact, in policy and in execution, and whose principle representatives are in fact mentally unbalanced or exploit those they come into contact with in an outrageous and unethical way. I have as a working person and a potential client or employee a strong need to be allowed to read material that offers me the chance to hear about experiences of other people in my position, people who far too often are rolled over, chewed up and spit out a mangled mess by business organizations (precisely because they are single individuals), who, collectively in the times we are living in, are often displaying a more and more glaringly brazen apparent belief that the collective human activity they engage in as employees of a corporation places them above the spirit (not just the *letter*) of laws that society has mandated and principles of humanistic fairness and ethics that individual human beings are required to show each other. > Most importantly, it is off-topic. I hope the soon-to-be moderator > will discuss it with me in private mail. The notion that "the most important thing" is that this message was "off- topic" may be a statement that the author will one day want to rethink. I would say that more close to accurate truth would have been for this individual to write "For ME as an individual with some vested interest in this list, the basic underlying life-attitude i bring to this is that i must try as much as possible to make this uncomfortable matter someone elses' problem, not mine; and to try to ensure that I can likewise dispose of such even more easily in the future." The most important thing is how we live as a human being, and that does not entirely exclude the requirement that we function as thinking human beings who confront ethical dilemmas head-on and strive to come to our own conclusions about rightness and wrongness and what basic principles must be emphasized in a particular case, most often, yes, at the expense of other principles. Surely any Net-based mode of communication has the potential to be exploited by crackpots who abuse the power technological development has placed within their grasp (I have been a personal target of such and I know full well whereof I speak). That still does not mean that certain areas are "off-limits" when it comes to ethics and judgment about rightness and wrongness of human conduct, merely because the major topic is employment or professional activities and announcements. Specifically, "Business" is just an arbitrary label we give to certain categories of human endeavor and actions that nonetheless are not basically exempt from ethical evaluation. Being involved primarily in "business" for a living does not mean one is somehow exempt from basic responsibility as a human being -- a responsibility to NOT entirely hand over discriminating (between right and wrong) thought into the hands of so-called "experts". Far worse than a lawsuit collectively awaits a society the majority of whose citizens take this route of washing their collective hands, 'opting-out' or copping out entirely on facing right-and-wrong head on in their day-to-day experience. When someone says "that cannot be discussed here because someone might be sued," they are exhibiting a brainwashing or an effect of coercion easily more effective than anything ever accomplished by the defunct Soviet system (although not different in fundamental spirit). They are saying cowardice -- cringing, petty, narrow-minded self-interest -- is "normal" and "to be encouraged as the norm" and that anybody who stands up with something to say about right-and-wrong outside of the abused and perverted arena of the Courtroom as it presently exists is a dangerous deviant. I am getting damn concerned about it. I'd like to register my opinion that not all the technological development nor all the material prosperity in the world will render the lives of those (or their children, or their children's children) who allow such a society to come into being, ultimately to remain "safe" and "comfortable" lives. At the same time, it wears down the energy of *anyone* when there is a constantly flood of unsubstantiated negative characterization on a medium like this. Josh, I have to say to you that talking about someone you have had business dealings with behind his back is not the first-rate way to handle yourself. "First-rate" can get you a black eye or lose you your job or get you killed. Yeah, sometimes --seldom but it happens. Point is that just being a noisemaker isn't something to get too personally secure or puffed- up about. Confronting a creep face to face and THEN explaining to them the error of their ways --making some noise -- that is "first-rate." It gains oneself and everyone else, in the big picture, a lot more than merely sounding off on an email List. soren andersen -- "Some lawyers have been telling people that you have to get permission before you link to something. That's a terrible affront to free speech." - Tim Berners-Lee, inventor of the World Wide Web From simonm at evolution.com Mon Jan 17 18:36:05 2000 From: simonm at evolution.com (M. Simon Cavalletto) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:30:54 2004 Subject: Whoa (Was Re: Hmmm) In-Reply-To: ; from JoshNarins@aol.com on Mon, Jan 17, 2000 at 12:59:24PM -0500 Message-ID: <200001180035.TAA04112@darwin.evolution.com> Earlier today, "Soren Andersen" wrote: > You can be sure of one thing, I personally will not stand by silently and > see this list censored in such an across-the-board way as what I read into > the statements made here. That in itself is illegal, and more importantly > unethical; it violates very basic premises of our legal system and our civil > society. I'm pretty darn sure it's not illegal, but nobody's actually planning on banning such talk here -- after all, this is an NY.pm list, and restraint is *not* our watchword. (That was a pretty good rant though, Soren...) Earlier today, D Roland Walker wrote: > Most importantly, it is off-topic. Hmm, well no, not really; it's topical in that it's about jobs for New York Perl developers But this discussion of email list ettiquette *is* off-topic; please consider the thread dead. - Simon, List Mod. From john_van_v at yahoo.com Mon Jan 17 19:00:00 2000 From: john_van_v at yahoo.com (John van V.) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:30:54 2004 Subject: Hmmm Message-ID: <20000118010000.5331.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> > Beau Gold is a misogynist. 10 points for spelling. > He made unsolicited sexual advances via email to my girlfriend. Hey, ~all~ head hunters suck. Hence CXN, Inc. BTW, how come we never meet everybody's better halves. Any outside observer would think we're either the above un-phonetic word or all... ===== John van Vlaanderen ######################################### # CXN, Inc. Contact: # # john@thinman.com, www.thinman.com # # 1 917 309 7379 (cell, voice mail) # ######################################### __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From john_van_v at yahoo.com Tue Jan 18 09:25:41 2000 From: john_van_v at yahoo.com (John van V.) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:30:54 2004 Subject: Hmmm Message-ID: <20000118152541.9362.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Everybody on this planet has a constitutional right to free speech since the internet now affords all rights of free expression to all peoples who have internet electrons running across their national borders. It was designed this way, and you dont need anybody's assurances to assume that these rights are inalienable. This ideal is very real, and will become even more so when broadband combined w/ ipv6 makes every household an applications provider service. Hopefully perl will be there to help effect the final banishment of censorship, facist or otherwise. --- Soren Andersen wrote: > On 17 Jan 00, an entity purporting to be D Roland Walker > [D Roland Walker ] wrote [regarding Re: Hmmm] > > > [JoshNarins writes] > > > I'm sure there is no legal reason stopping me from speaking the truth, > > > > Yes, the truth is the best defense in a lawsuit. > > > > But there are very good reasons, both legal and practical, to avoid > > any type of derogatory imputation on the list. > > There are -- no argument there. At the same time, there are also very good > reasons, fundamental and crucial, for strenuously working to preserve > Josh's right to post such a message here. You can be sure of one thing, I > personally will not stand by silently and see this list censored in such an > across-the-board way as what I read into the statements made here. That > in itself is illegal, and more importantly unethical; it violates very basic > premises of our legal system and our civil society. > > I have a right and an earnest need to know when there are business people > or business organizations (especially the latter) who are criminal in fact, > in > policy and in execution, and whose principle representatives are in fact > mentally unbalanced or exploit those they come into contact with in an > outrageous and unethical way. > > I have as a working person and a potential client or employee a strong need > to be allowed to read material that offers me the chance to hear about > experiences of other people in my position, people who far too often are > rolled over, chewed up and spit out a mangled mess by business > organizations (precisely because they are single individuals), who, > collectively in the times we are living in, are often displaying a more and > more glaringly brazen apparent belief that the collective human activity > they engage in as employees of a corporation places them above the spirit > (not just the *letter*) of laws that society has mandated and principles of > humanistic fairness and ethics that individual human beings are required to > show each other. > > > Most importantly, it is off-topic. I hope the soon-to-be moderator > > will discuss it with me in private mail. > > The notion that "the most important thing" is that this message was "off- > topic" may be a statement that the author will one day want to rethink. I > would say that more close to accurate truth would have been for this > individual to write "For ME as an individual with some vested interest in > this list, the basic underlying life-attitude i bring to this is that i must > try as > much as possible to make this uncomfortable matter someone elses' > problem, not mine; and to try to ensure that I can likewise dispose of such > even more easily in the future." > > The most important thing is how we live as a human being, and that does > not entirely exclude the requirement that we function as thinking human > beings who confront ethical dilemmas head-on and strive to come to our > own conclusions about rightness and wrongness and what basic principles > must be emphasized in a particular case, most often, yes, at the expense of > other principles. Surely any Net-based mode of communication has the > potential to be exploited by crackpots who abuse the power technological > development has placed within their grasp (I have been a personal target of > such and I know full well whereof I speak). That still does not mean that > certain areas are "off-limits" when it comes to ethics and judgment about > rightness and wrongness of human conduct, merely because the major topic > is employment or professional activities and announcements. > > Specifically, "Business" is just an arbitrary label we give to certain > categories of human endeavor and actions that nonetheless are not basically > exempt from ethical evaluation. Being involved primarily in "business" for a > living does not mean one is somehow exempt from basic responsibility as a > human being -- a responsibility to NOT entirely hand over discriminating > (between right and wrong) thought into the hands of so-called "experts". > Far worse than a lawsuit collectively awaits a society the majority of whose > citizens take this route of washing their collective hands, 'opting-out' or > copping out entirely on facing right-and-wrong head on in their day-to-day > experience. > > When someone says "that cannot be discussed here because someone might > be sued," they are exhibiting a brainwashing or an effect of coercion easily > > more effective than anything ever accomplished by the defunct Soviet > system (although not different in fundamental spirit). They are saying > cowardice -- cringing, petty, narrow-minded self-interest -- is "normal" > and "to be encouraged as the norm" and that anybody who stands up with > something to say about right-and-wrong outside of the abused and > perverted arena of the Courtroom as it presently exists is a dangerous > deviant. I am getting damn concerned about it. I'd like to register my > opinion that not all the technological development nor all the material > prosperity in the world will render the lives of those (or their children, or > > their children's children) who allow such a society to come into being, > ultimately to remain "safe" and "comfortable" lives. > > At the same time, it wears down the energy of *anyone* when there is a > constantly flood of unsubstantiated negative characterization on a medium > like this. Josh, I have to say to you that talking about someone you have > had business dealings with behind his back is not the first-rate way to > handle yourself. "First-rate" can get you a black eye or lose you your job or > > get you killed. Yeah, sometimes --seldom but it happens. Point is that just > being a noisemaker isn't something to get too personally secure or puffed- > up about. Confronting a creep face to face and THEN explaining to them the > error of their ways --making some noise -- that is "first-rate." It gains > oneself and everyone else, in the big picture, a lot more than merely > sounding off on an email List. > > soren andersen > > -- > "Some lawyers have been telling people that > you have to get permission before you link > to something. That's a terrible affront to > free speech." > - Tim Berners-Lee, inventor of > the World Wide Web > ===== John van Vlaanderen ######################################### # CXN, Inc. Contact: # # john@thinman.com, www.thinman.com # # 1 917 309 7379 (cell, voice mail) # ######################################### __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From swain at nytimes.com Tue Jan 18 09:44:55 2000 From: swain at nytimes.com (Steve Wainstead) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:30:54 2004 Subject: Hmmm References: <20000118152541.9362.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <38848A77.95EC77CD@nytimes.com> "John van V." wrote: > > Everybody on this planet has a constitutional right to free speech since the > internet now affords all rights of free expression to all peoples who have > internet electrons running across their national borders. yes, in a publicly owned forum... I think this one is privately owned. sw > > It was designed this way, and you dont need anybody's assurances to assume that > these rights are inalienable. > > This ideal is very real, and will become even more so when broadband combined > w/ ipv6 makes every household an applications provider service. > > Hopefully perl will be there to help effect the final banishment of censorship, > facist or otherwise. > > --- Soren Andersen wrote: > > On 17 Jan 00, an entity purporting to be D Roland Walker > > [D Roland Walker ] wrote [regarding Re: Hmmm] > > > > > [JoshNarins writes] > > > > I'm sure there is no legal reason stopping me from speaking the truth, > > > > > > Yes, the truth is the best defense in a lawsuit. > > > > > > But there are very good reasons, both legal and practical, to avoid > > > any type of derogatory imputation on the list. > > > > There are -- no argument there. At the same time, there are also very good > > reasons, fundamental and crucial, for strenuously working to preserve > > Josh's right to post such a message here. You can be sure of one thing, I > > personally will not stand by silently and see this list censored in such an > > across-the-board way as what I read into the statements made here. That > > in itself is illegal, and more importantly unethical; it violates very basic > > premises of our legal system and our civil society. > > > > I have a right and an earnest need to know when there are business people > > or business organizations (especially the latter) who are criminal in fact, > > in > > policy and in execution, and whose principle representatives are in fact > > mentally unbalanced or exploit those they come into contact with in an > > outrageous and unethical way. > > > > I have as a working person and a potential client or employee a strong need > > to be allowed to read material that offers me the chance to hear about > > experiences of other people in my position, people who far too often are > > rolled over, chewed up and spit out a mangled mess by business > > organizations (precisely because they are single individuals), who, > > collectively in the times we are living in, are often displaying a more and > > more glaringly brazen apparent belief that the collective human activity > > they engage in as employees of a corporation places them above the spirit > > (not just the *letter*) of laws that society has mandated and principles of > > humanistic fairness and ethics that individual human beings are required to > > show each other. > > > > > Most importantly, it is off-topic. I hope the soon-to-be moderator > > > will discuss it with me in private mail. > > > > The notion that "the most important thing" is that this message was "off- > > topic" may be a statement that the author will one day want to rethink. I > > would say that more close to accurate truth would have been for this > > individual to write "For ME as an individual with some vested interest in > > this list, the basic underlying life-attitude i bring to this is that i must > > try as > > much as possible to make this uncomfortable matter someone elses' > > problem, not mine; and to try to ensure that I can likewise dispose of such > > even more easily in the future." > > > > The most important thing is how we live as a human being, and that does > > not entirely exclude the requirement that we function as thinking human > > beings who confront ethical dilemmas head-on and strive to come to our > > own conclusions about rightness and wrongness and what basic principles > > must be emphasized in a particular case, most often, yes, at the expense of > > other principles. Surely any Net-based mode of communication has the > > potential to be exploited by crackpots who abuse the power technological > > development has placed within their grasp (I have been a personal target of > > such and I know full well whereof I speak). That still does not mean that > > certain areas are "off-limits" when it comes to ethics and judgment about > > rightness and wrongness of human conduct, merely because the major topic > > is employment or professional activities and announcements. > > > > Specifically, "Business" is just an arbitrary label we give to certain > > categories of human endeavor and actions that nonetheless are not basically > > exempt from ethical evaluation. Being involved primarily in "business" for a > > living does not mean one is somehow exempt from basic responsibility as a > > human being -- a responsibility to NOT entirely hand over discriminating > > (between right and wrong) thought into the hands of so-called "experts". > > Far worse than a lawsuit collectively awaits a society the majority of whose > > citizens take this route of washing their collective hands, 'opting-out' or > > copping out entirely on facing right-and-wrong head on in their day-to-day > > experience. > > > > When someone says "that cannot be discussed here because someone might > > be sued," they are exhibiting a brainwashing or an effect of coercion easily > > > > more effective than anything ever accomplished by the defunct Soviet > > system (although not different in fundamental spirit). They are saying > > cowardice -- cringing, petty, narrow-minded self-interest -- is "normal" > > and "to be encouraged as the norm" and that anybody who stands up with > > something to say about right-and-wrong outside of the abused and > > perverted arena of the Courtroom as it presently exists is a dangerous > > deviant. I am getting damn concerned about it. I'd like to register my > > opinion that not all the technological development nor all the material > > prosperity in the world will render the lives of those (or their children, or > > > > their children's children) who allow such a society to come into being, > > ultimately to remain "safe" and "comfortable" lives. > > > > At the same time, it wears down the energy of *anyone* when there is a > > constantly flood of unsubstantiated negative characterization on a medium > > like this. Josh, I have to say to you that talking about someone you have > > had business dealings with behind his back is not the first-rate way to > > handle yourself. "First-rate" can get you a black eye or lose you your job or > > > > get you killed. Yeah, sometimes --seldom but it happens. Point is that just > > being a noisemaker isn't something to get too personally secure or puffed- > > up about. Confronting a creep face to face and THEN explaining to them the > > error of their ways --making some noise -- that is "first-rate." It gains > > oneself and everyone else, in the big picture, a lot more than merely > > sounding off on an email List. > > > > soren andersen > > > > -- > > "Some lawyers have been telling people that > > you have to get permission before you link > > to something. That's a terrible affront to > > free speech." > > - Tim Berners-Lee, inventor of > > the World Wide Web > > > > ===== > John van Vlaanderen > > ######################################### > # CXN, Inc. Contact: # > # john@thinman.com, www.thinman.com # > # 1 917 309 7379 (cell, voice mail) # > ######################################### > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com -- Steve Wainstead, programmer, | "When will the rhetorical Times Company Digital | questions all end?" 1120 6th Ave, NY NY 10036 | -- George Carlin (212) 597-8067 | From simonm at evolution.com Tue Jan 18 10:17:00 2000 From: simonm at evolution.com (M. Simon Cavalletto) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:30:54 2004 Subject: Hmmm Message-ID: <200001181616.LAA06097@darwin.evolution.com> Earlier this morning, "John van V." wrote: > Everybody on this planet has a constitutional right to free speech since the > internet now affords all rights of free expression to all peoples who have > internet electrons running across their national borders. FYI, that's not what the word "constitutional right" means. 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