From kernell at sundog.larc.nasa.gov  Tue Oct  3 11:50:10 2000
From: kernell at sundog.larc.nasa.gov (Robert Kernell)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:09 2004
Subject: [HRPM] the web site
Message-ID: <200010031650.MAA18974@sundog.larc.nasa.gov>

Hi all. Boy, this is a quiet list. Reflective of its localness I guess.

I think I talked another person into attending. He is a TN student.

Is the Web Site wrong? It's listing next meeting as Chris on DBI. Hmm... :)

Bob Kernell
Research Scientist
AS&M
email: kernell@sundog.larc.nasa.gov


From lbyrd at memach.com  Tue Oct  3 12:14:18 2000
From: lbyrd at memach.com (Lyman Byrd)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:09 2004
Subject: [HRPM] the web site
In-Reply-To: <200010031650.MAA18974@sundog.larc.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <XFMail.20001003131418.lbyrd@memach.com>

Yes it is quite. Hopefully that will change here soon as more people
gain more interest. The next meeting is going to be on TKPerl I think.
The thought was the presentation would last an hour or so and then we
could discuss almost anything... Suggestions for topics are always
welcome I think and if you want to give one all the better...
Lyman

On 03-Oct-2000 Robert Kernell wrote:
> Hi all. Boy, this is a quiet list. Reflective of its localness I
> guess.
> 
> I think I talked another person into attending. He is a TN student.
> 
> Is the Web Site wrong? It's listing next meeting as Chris on DBI.
> Hmm... :)
> 
> Bob Kernell
> Research Scientist
> AS&M
> email: kernell@sundog.larc.nasa.gov

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From lbyrd at memach.com  Tue Oct  3 12:16:14 2000
From: lbyrd at memach.com (Lyman Byrd)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:09 2004
Subject: [HRPM] fouled up install
In-Reply-To: <007901c02a11$b81af940$61b4a6cd@dp.asi>
Message-ID: <XFMail.20001003131614.lbyrd@memach.com>


Christina
Would you mind sharing with the rest of us what you finally did and how
well it worked out? 

Just curious..
Thanks
Lyman

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From chicks at chicks.net  Tue Oct  3 12:17:00 2000
From: chicks at chicks.net (chicks@chicks.net)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:09 2004
Subject: [HRPM] the web site
In-Reply-To: <XFMail.20001003131418.lbyrd@memach.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10010031315300.5471-100000@yakko>

On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Lyman Byrd wrote:
> On 03-Oct-2000 Robert Kernell wrote:
> > Hi all. Boy, this is a quiet list. Reflective of its localness I
> > guess.
> > 
> > I think I talked another person into attending. He is a TN student.
> > 
> > Is the Web Site wrong? It's listing next meeting as Chris on DBI.
> > Hmm... :)
> Yes it is quite. Hopefully that will change here soon as more people
> gain more interest. The next meeting is going to be on TKPerl I think.
> The thought was the presentation would last an hour or so and then we
> could discuss almost anything... Suggestions for topics are always
> welcome I think and if you want to give one all the better...

I've got HRPM on my TODO list in a couple of respects this week.  I'm
going to try to send announcements out a few times this month instead of
just a few days before the meeting.  So - what's the full name of our kind
presenter for next month?  Mike ___ ?

-- 
</chris>

Adults are obsolete children. -Dr. Seuss, humorist, illustrator, and author


From lbyrd at memach.com  Tue Oct  3 12:19:21 2000
From: lbyrd at memach.com (Lyman Byrd)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:09 2004
Subject: [HRPM] CPAN.pm sutomatic upgrade?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10009290437000.30162-100000@yakko>
Message-ID: <XFMail.20001003131921.lbyrd@memach.com>


On 29-Sep-2000 chicks@chicks.net wrote:
>  I've seen CPAN.pm installing 5.6 and had to
> kill
> it on a couple of occasions.

Is this a good thing?  Is this the normal behavior. I have not used
this module very much but rather just use the perl installed with a
distro.  What does everyone else think about this?

Thanks
Lyman


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From chicks at chicks.net  Tue Oct  3 12:29:43 2000
From: chicks at chicks.net (chicks@chicks.net)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:09 2004
Subject: [HRPM] CPAN.pm sutomatic upgrade?
In-Reply-To: <XFMail.20001003131921.lbyrd@memach.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10010031324240.5471-100000@yakko>

On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Lyman Byrd wrote:
> On 29-Sep-2000 chicks@chicks.net wrote:
> >  I've seen CPAN.pm installing 5.6 and had to
> > kill
> > it on a couple of occasions.
> 
> Is this a good thing?

In some respects, it may be.  But given the 5.6 incompatibilities, it's
bad in my view.

> Is this the normal behavior.

It sees that it can only upgrade certain packages because they're included
in 5.6.

> I have not used this module very much but rather just use the perl
> installed with a distro.  What does everyone else think about this?

CPAN.pm is normally very, very convenient.  If you need to install 50
modules, it will download, compile, test, and install them for you in a
couple of hours.  There are some modules (some of the net and DBD ones)
that require input so you can't just run off and leave it unattended, but
it's otherwise a major timesaver.

-- 
</chris>

Adults are obsolete children. -Dr. Seuss, humorist, illustrator, and author


From chicks at chicks.net  Tue Oct  3 15:01:55 2000
From: chicks at chicks.net (chicks@chicks.net)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:09 2004
Subject: [HRPM] fouled up install
In-Reply-To: <XFMail.20001003131614.lbyrd@memach.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10010031601360.5471-100000@yakko>

On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Lyman Byrd wrote:
> Just curious..

I haven't researched the CPAN.pm issue yet, but I will tomorrow.

-- 
</chris>

Adults are obsolete children. -Dr. Seuss, humorist, illustrator, and author


From chrisi at home.com  Tue Oct  3 15:56:38 2000
From: chrisi at home.com (Christina)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:09 2004
Subject: [HRPM] fouled up install
References: <XFMail.20001003131614.lbyrd@memach.com>
Message-ID: <39DA4806.DFFDDFDE@home.com>


Basically, I gave up.  I thought I was going down a path
to just not upgrade Perl to 5.6 (by not using CPAN).  But 
when I got done, I noticed that I did have 5.6!  I must 
have gotten my Ghosts mixed up.

So now I have a system that tells me I'm running 5.6 when
I do perl -v, but I'm pretty sure Apache is getting its Apache.pm
from my 5.005 directories.  I thought maybe I could rebuild
Apache, but I never did figure out how to do that.  That is
also causing me problems because Mason says not to use 
the mod_perl that ships with Red Hat (1.21) because it is 
unreliable.  When I install mod_perl 1.24 it wants to know 
where my Apache header files are (I don't have any) and wants 
to rebuild Apache.  So I can't upgrade that.

Although all is ok now (httpd runs, I can use DBI, mysql, and 
mod_perl), I think I will still have problems down the line.

Right now I just need to make some progress with my database!

Christina


Lyman Byrd wrote:
> 
> Christina
> Would you mind sharing with the rest of us what you finally did and how
> well it worked out?
> 
> Just curious..
> Thanks
> Lyman
> 
> ----------------------------------
> E-Mail: Lyman Byrd <lbyrd@memach.com>   Tel: 757.543.6801x253
>      Date: 03-Oct-2000     Time: 13:14:49
>     The opinions expressed here do not
> necessarily reflect those of Metro Machine Corp.
> ----------------------------------

From lbyrd at memach.com  Tue Oct  3 16:07:39 2000
From: lbyrd at memach.com (Lyman Byrd)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:09 2004
Subject: [HRPM] fouled up install
In-Reply-To: <39DA4806.DFFDDFDE@home.com>
Message-ID: <XFMail.20001003170739.lbyrd@memach.com>


On 03-Oct-2000 Christina wrote:
> 
> Although all is ok now (httpd runs, I can use DBI, mysql, and 
> mod_perl), I think I will still have problems down the line.
> 
> Right now I just need to make some progress with my database!
> 

I can understand that.... Which distro are you using? I looked at
previous messages thinking you had said already but must have missed
it. Do you have more than one machine to play with? (play not as in
play but play as in work with ;-}...)

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From lbyrd at memach.com  Tue Oct  3 16:10:17 2000
From: lbyrd at memach.com (Lyman Byrd)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:09 2004
Subject: [HRPM] XML ???
Message-ID: <XFMail.20001003171017.lbyrd@memach.com>

Is anyone using XML for real work?

(sorry slightly off topic I know)
Thanks
Lyman

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From chrisi at home.com  Tue Oct  3 16:34:16 2000
From: chrisi at home.com (Christina)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:09 2004
Subject: [HRPM] fouled up install
References: <XFMail.20001003170739.lbyrd@memach.com>
Message-ID: <39DA50D8.8FC3BB07@home.com>



Lyman Byrd wrote:
> 
> I can understand that.... Which distro are you using?

Red Hat 6.2.

> Do you have more than one machine to play with? (play not as in
> play but play as in work with ;-}...)

Yes in that I ghost up what I have before I do something wild.

- C

From jeff at alanne.com  Tue Oct  3 16:07:52 2000
From: jeff at alanne.com (Jeff Duffy)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:09 2004
Subject: [HRPM] XML ???
In-Reply-To: <XFMail.20001003171017.lbyrd@memach.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0010031706580.29271-100000@cairhien.alanne.com>

On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Lyman Byrd wrote:

>Is anyone using XML for real work?
>
>(sorry slightly off topic I know)

 All day long... config files, publishing, etc.

 Lotsa XML.

 Jeff



From moored at exis.net  Tue Oct  3 21:42:34 2000
From: moored at exis.net (Doug Moore)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:09 2004
Subject: [HRPM] XML ???
References: <XFMail.20001003171017.lbyrd@memach.com>
Message-ID: <39DA991A.CDBD28ED@exis.net>

Lyman Byrd wrote:

> Is anyone using XML for real work?
>
> (sorry slightly off topic I know)
> Thanks
> Lyman
>
> ----------------------------------
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>      Date: 03-Oct-2000     Time: 17:08:50
>     The opinions expressed here do not
> necessarily reflect those of Metro Machine Corp.
> ----------------------------------

I have a couple of uses for XML.
1.  I have Tomcat-Jakarta up with my Apache server, abounds with xml
config files
2. I also have Cocoon up and running.  Likewise lots of xml config
files.

I am also working on Shareable Courseware Object Reference Model
objects.  (that a part of the Advanced Distributed Learning initiative -
.  the model relies heavily on XML tags for passing data between systems
and for searching metadata for "Shareable Courseware Objects".

I am testing (albeit slowly, as I have 'free' time) XML Stylesheets
(reason for using Cocoon) for customizing the display of DHTML (or other
document formats using the same data..)

Lotsa room for greater understanding here..!!

Doug Moore
HRPM Lurker


From mshivers11 at home.com  Tue Oct  3 22:16:58 2000
From: mshivers11 at home.com (Matt Shivers)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:09 2004
Subject: [HRPM] the web site
References: <XFMail.20001003131418.lbyrd@memach.com>
Message-ID: <002301c02db1$900e6e20$1f8e1718@nwptn1.va.home.com>

Hello all,

I thought I would add a comment. I am planning on discussing Perl/Tk at the
next meeting.

My plan is to start with the basics - What is Tk and where do you get it?
Then I will introduce the major elements of Tk and then get into some layout
issues. I also want to share some problems/solutions I have encountered
while designing with Tk.

I am open to any topic suggestions or problems you have encountered while
using Tk.

I am looking forward to sharing some info with the group.

See you at the meeting,

Matt

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lyman Byrd" <lbyrd@memach.com>
To: <norfolk-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 1:14 PM
Subject: RE: [HRPM] the web site


> Yes it is quite. Hopefully that will change here soon as more people
> gain more interest. The next meeting is going to be on TKPerl I think.
> The thought was the presentation would last an hour or so and then we
> could discuss almost anything... Suggestions for topics are always
> welcome I think and if you want to give one all the better...
> Lyman
>
> On 03-Oct-2000 Robert Kernell wrote:
> > Hi all. Boy, this is a quiet list. Reflective of its localness I
> > guess.
> >
> > I think I talked another person into attending. He is a TN student.
> >
> > Is the Web Site wrong? It's listing next meeting as Chris on DBI.
> > Hmm... :)
> >
> > Bob Kernell
> > Research Scientist
> > AS&M
> > email: kernell@sundog.larc.nasa.gov
>
> ----------------------------------
> E-Mail: Lyman Byrd <lbyrd@memach.com>   Tel: 757.543.6801x253
>      Date: 03-Oct-2000     Time: 13:11:42
>     The opinions expressed here do not
> necessarily reflect those of Metro Machine Corp.
> ----------------------------------


From lbyrd at memach.com  Wed Oct  4 09:54:35 2000
From: lbyrd at memach.com (Lyman Byrd)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:09 2004
Subject: [HRPM] XML ???
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0010031706580.29271-100000@cairhien.alanne.com>
Message-ID: <XFMail.20001004105435.lbyrd@memach.com>


Thanks to all that replied.. I want to sit down and have a serious
converstation with you all one day when we can get together maybe ...

Thanks again
Lyman


(So why did I ask? well you read so much about how it is being used but
I didnt know anyone personnaly who was using it... now I do! thanks)

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From jeff at alanne.com  Wed Oct  4 09:53:23 2000
From: jeff at alanne.com (Jeff Duffy)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:09 2004
Subject: [HRPM] XML ???
In-Reply-To: <XFMail.20001004105435.lbyrd@memach.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0010041052430.26506-100000@cairhien.alanne.com>

On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Lyman Byrd wrote:

>
>Thanks to all that replied.. I want to sit down and have a serious
>converstation with you all one day when we can get together maybe ...

 Nope. Serious conversations aren't allowed... corporate policy.

 Jeff


From chicks at chicks.net  Wed Oct  4 11:25:13 2000
From: chicks at chicks.net (chicks@chicks.net)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:09 2004
Subject: [HRPM] XML ???
In-Reply-To: <XFMail.20001003171017.lbyrd@memach.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10010041224540.629-100000@yakko>

On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Lyman Byrd wrote:
> Is anyone using XML for real work?

We use it for pulling down headlines that we include on various web sites.

-- 
</chris>

Adults are obsolete children. -Dr. Seuss, humorist, illustrator, and author


From lbyrd at memach.com  Wed Oct  4 11:42:54 2000
From: lbyrd at memach.com (Lyman Byrd)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:09 2004
Subject: [HRPM] XML ???
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0010041052430.26506-100000@cairhien.alanne.com>
Message-ID: <XFMail.20001004124254.lbyrd@memach.com>

Did I say "serious" ? - I meant serial ....
he he he he he
Lyman

On 04-Oct-2000 Jeff Duffy wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Lyman Byrd wrote:
> 
>>
>>Thanks to all that replied.. I want to sit down and have a serious
>>converstation with you all one day when we can get together maybe ...
> 
>  Nope. Serious conversations aren't allowed... corporate policy.
> 
>  Jeff

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From chicks at chicks.net  Wed Oct  4 11:43:40 2000
From: chicks at chicks.net (chicks@chicks.net)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:09 2004
Subject: [HRPM] XML ???
In-Reply-To: <XFMail.20001004105435.lbyrd@memach.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10010041243200.629-100000@yakko>

On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Lyman Byrd wrote:

> (So why did I ask? well you read so much about how it is being used
> but I didnt know anyone personnaly who was using it... now I do!
> thanks)

XML and Perl are both stealth technologies.  :-)

-- 
</chris>

Adults are obsolete children. -Dr. Seuss, humorist, illustrator, and author


From lbyrd at memach.com  Wed Oct  4 11:44:07 2000
From: lbyrd at memach.com (Lyman Byrd)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:09 2004
Subject: [HRPM] XML ???
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10010041224540.629-100000@yakko>
Message-ID: <XFMail.20001004124407.lbyrd@memach.com>

Thanks Chris.. I would like to look at that code someday if that would
be possible...
Lyman

On 04-Oct-2000 chicks@chicks.net wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Lyman Byrd wrote:
>> Is anyone using XML for real work?
> 
> We use it for pulling down headlines that we include on various web
> sites.
> 
> -- 
> </chris>
> 
> Adults are obsolete children. -Dr. Seuss, humorist, illustrator, and
> author

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From chicks at chicks.net  Wed Oct  4 11:45:48 2000
From: chicks at chicks.net (chicks@chicks.net)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:09 2004
Subject: [HRPM] XML ???
In-Reply-To: <XFMail.20001004124407.lbyrd@memach.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10010041244300.629-100000@yakko>

On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Lyman Byrd wrote:
> Thanks Chris.. I would like to look at that code someday if that would
> be possible...

I'm hoping over the next six months to take some of the code that I've got
lying around and generalize it enough for release.  I'll be posting
announcements about it when I do.  If anyone wants the raw stuff sooner, I
will take such requests into consideration.

-- 
</chris>

Adults are obsolete children. -Dr. Seuss, humorist, illustrator, and author


From lbyrd at memach.com  Thu Oct  5 16:18:41 2000
From: lbyrd at memach.com (Lyman Byrd)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:09 2004
Subject: [HRPM] test
Message-ID: <XFMail.20001005171841.lbyrd@memach.com>

test
lyman

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From lbyrd at memach.com  Thu Oct  5 16:22:01 2000
From: lbyrd at memach.com (Lyman Byrd)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:09 2004
Subject: [HRPM] Announcements on the list?
Message-ID: <XFMail.20001005172201.lbyrd@memach.com>

Let me try this again....because the first time it didnt make it.
=================================================================

Hello,

As some of you may know I am involved also with the twuug mailing list.
There is another list in conjunction with twuug called twuug-announce.
What happens is when someone needs to announce something to twuug then
they only need post it to the announce list and it is automatically
posted to the regular twuug list. There are some people who only
subscribe to the announce list just to keep informed of happenings and
events without the noise of the regular list. My question is would the
PM list subscribers mind getting the postings from the announce list as
well?  This serves two purposes. 

First PM would be kept informed of
events that twuug was having so they could avail themselves if they so
desired. 

Second when announcements for PM would only need be posted to
the twuug-announce list and all the twuug users would be informed of
events sponsered by PM. 

Does this make sense. Are there any objections or questions. 

Thanks for the input

Lyman

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From chicks at chicks.net  Thu Oct  5 16:24:40 2000
From: chicks at chicks.net (chicks@chicks.net)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:09 2004
Subject: [HRPM] Announcements on the list?
In-Reply-To: <XFMail.20001005172201.lbyrd@memach.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10010051723140.2791-100000@yakko>

On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Lyman Byrd wrote:
> Second when announcements for PM would only need be posted to the
> twuug-announce list and all the twuug users would be informed of
> events sponsered by PM.

I like the idea personally.  That would require me to actually post to
twuug-announce instead of twuug directly, but that's probably a good idea
anyway.  :-)

-- 
</chris>

Adults are obsolete children. -Dr. Seuss, humorist, illustrator, and author



From twebster at pcs.cnu.edu  Thu Oct  5 16:44:57 2000
From: twebster at pcs.cnu.edu (Troy E. Webster)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:09 2004
Subject: [HRPM] Announcements on the list?
In-Reply-To: <XFMail.20001005172201.lbyrd@memach.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02A.10010051744470.10395-100000@defender>

don't like that idea...

Troy

___________________________________________________________________________
bless $this, $email
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On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Lyman Byrd wrote:

> Let me try this again....because the first time it didnt make it.
> =================================================================
> 
> Hello,
> 
> As some of you may know I am involved also with the twuug mailing list.
> There is another list in conjunction with twuug called twuug-announce.
> What happens is when someone needs to announce something to twuug then
> they only need post it to the announce list and it is automatically
> posted to the regular twuug list. There are some people who only
> subscribe to the announce list just to keep informed of happenings and
> events without the noise of the regular list. My question is would the
> PM list subscribers mind getting the postings from the announce list as
> well?  This serves two purposes. 
> 
> First PM would be kept informed of
> events that twuug was having so they could avail themselves if they so
> desired. 
> 
> Second when announcements for PM would only need be posted to
> the twuug-announce list and all the twuug users would be informed of
> events sponsered by PM. 
> 
> Does this make sense. Are there any objections or questions. 
> 
> Thanks for the input
> 
> Lyman
> 
> ----------------------------------
> E-Mail: Lyman Byrd <lbyrd@memach.com>   Tel: 757.543.6801x253
>      Date: 05-Oct-2000     Time: 13:01:37
>     The opinions expressed here do not 
> necessarily reflect those of Metro Machine Corp. 
> ----------------------------------
> 


From chicks at chicks.net  Sun Oct  8 14:53:39 2000
From: chicks at chicks.net (chicks@chicks.net)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:09 2004
Subject: [HRPM] Re: [twuug] Perl out put to PDF?
In-Reply-To: <F43LEdyt3cew8k69RKL00006fd6@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10010081552300.22708-100000@yakko>

On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, sean schroeder wrote:
> Looking for a way to produce a PDF as out put from a perl cgi script.  
> I would like to do this in the same manner one would use a template in
> perl to output an HTML page.

	http://search.cpan.org/search?dist=PDF-Create
		or
	http://www.sanface.com/freeware.html

-- 
</chris>

Adults are obsolete children. -Dr. Seuss, humorist, illustrator, and author


From lbyrd at memach.com  Mon Oct  9 15:33:20 2000
From: lbyrd at memach.com (Lyman Byrd)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:09 2004
Subject: [HRPM] Last Call for comment
Message-ID: <XFMail.20001009163320.lbyrd@memach.com>

Troy changed his mind and now does not mind this list getting the twuug
announcements and twuug getting the PM announcements.  So this is the
last call for comments. If you think this is a bad idea please say so
and tell me why if you would. I am heading to the atlanta linux
showcase the remainder of the week so I will see if there are any
commencts when I come back next week. If there are no objections then I
will make the changes next week and let everyone know. Thanks

Lyman

----------------------------------
E-Mail: Lyman Byrd <lbyrd@memach.com>   Tel: 757.543.6801x253
     Date: 09-Oct-2000     Time: 16:29:26
    The opinions expressed here do not 
necessarily reflect those of Metro Machine Corp. 
----------------------------------

From mshivers11 at home.com  Mon Oct  9 22:23:23 2000
From: mshivers11 at home.com (Matt Shivers)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:09 2004
Subject: [HRPM] Last Call for comment
References: <XFMail.20001009163320.lbyrd@memach.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c03269$728ef420$1f8e1718@nwptn1.va.home.com>

I would like to say that having more information is a good thing. So lets
give it a try and see how it goes.

Matt

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lyman Byrd" <lbyrd@memach.com>
To: "HRPM" <norfolk-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 4:33 PM
Subject: [HRPM] Last Call for comment


> Troy changed his mind and now does not mind this list getting the twuug
> announcements and twuug getting the PM announcements.  So this is the
> last call for comments. If you think this is a bad idea please say so
> and tell me why if you would. I am heading to the atlanta linux
> showcase the remainder of the week so I will see if there are any
> commencts when I come back next week. If there are no objections then I
> will make the changes next week and let everyone know. Thanks
>
> Lyman
>
> ----------------------------------
> E-Mail: Lyman Byrd <lbyrd@memach.com>   Tel: 757.543.6801x253
>      Date: 09-Oct-2000     Time: 16:29:26
>     The opinions expressed here do not
> necessarily reflect those of Metro Machine Corp.
> ----------------------------------


From cusce at home.com  Tue Oct 10 19:28:28 2000
From: cusce at home.com (Collin Cusce')
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:09 2004
Subject: [HRPM] Last Call for comment
References: <XFMail.20001009163320.lbyrd@memach.com> <000b01c03269$728ef420$1f8e1718@nwptn1.va.home.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c0331a$2d4b9bf0$40941718@cx782347a>

I had a problem with getting TWUUG.  I get enough "extra" email as it is. I
do not desire to recieve TWUUG mailings. Yet this being an announcment only
mailing, I guess I could tolerate it. So, I place my vote at the mercy of
the other HRPM members.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Shivers" <mshivers11@home.com>
To: <norfolk-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: [HRPM] Last Call for comment


> I would like to say that having more information is a good thing. So lets
> give it a try and see how it goes.
>
> Matt
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lyman Byrd" <lbyrd@memach.com>
> To: "HRPM" <norfolk-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org>
> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 4:33 PM
> Subject: [HRPM] Last Call for comment
>
>
> > Troy changed his mind and now does not mind this list getting the twuug
> > announcements and twuug getting the PM announcements.  So this is the
> > last call for comments. If you think this is a bad idea please say so
> > and tell me why if you would. I am heading to the atlanta linux
> > showcase the remainder of the week so I will see if there are any
> > commencts when I come back next week. If there are no objections then I
> > will make the changes next week and let everyone know. Thanks
> >
> > Lyman
> >
> > ----------------------------------
> > E-Mail: Lyman Byrd <lbyrd@memach.com>   Tel: 757.543.6801x253
> >      Date: 09-Oct-2000     Time: 16:29:26
> >     The opinions expressed here do not
> > necessarily reflect those of Metro Machine Corp.
> > ----------------------------------
>


From chicks at chicks.net  Wed Oct 11 02:58:40 2000
From: chicks at chicks.net (chicks@chicks.net)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:09 2004
Subject: [HRPM] perl.org mailing list archives (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10010110356120.558-100000@yakko>

This may be of interest.....

Yes, the URL is correct.

-- 
</chris>

    "What is the sound of Perl?  Is it not the sound of a wall that
     people have stopped banging their heads against?"
                --Larry Wall in <1992Aug26.184221.29627@netlabs.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 00:48:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ask Bjoern Hansen <ask@perl.org>
To: perl6-announce@perl.org
Subject: mailing list archives

Hi,

I finally got around to finish the first part of setting up some
mailinglist archives.

They are still not searchable, and the navigation is not quite there
yet, and they're not getting "real time" updates .... yet... but
still useful and unlike the mail-archive.com archives this archive
includes all messages since I started maintaining the perl.org
lists.

   http://archive.develooper.com/

Suggestions, comments and bug reports are welcome at ask@perl.org.


 - ask

-- 
ask bjoern hansen - <http://www.netcetera.dk/~ask/>


From chicks at chicks.net  Wed Oct 11 03:00:31 2000
From: chicks at chicks.net (chicks@chicks.net)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:09 2004
Subject: [HRPM] good listing of perl mailing lists available
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10010110400120.558-100000@yakko>

http://www.perl.org/support/mailing_lists.html

-- 
</chris>

"The number of Unix installations has grown to 10, with more expected." 
           -- The Unix Programmer's Manual, 2nd edition, June '72


From lbyrd at memach.com  Wed Oct 18 12:12:39 2000
From: lbyrd at memach.com (Lyman Byrd)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:09 2004
Subject: [HRPM] ipw.pl
Message-ID: <XFMail.20001018131239.lbyrd@memach.com>

Does any one happen to have the ipw.pl program that I may get please.
Thanks 
Lyman



----------------------------------
E-Mail: Lyman Byrd <lbyrd@memach.com>   Tel: 757.543.6801x253
     Date: 18-Oct-2000     Time: 13:11:14
    The opinions expressed here do not 
necessarily reflect those of Metro Machine Corp. 
----------------------------------

From chicks at chicks.net  Wed Oct 18 13:12:16 2000
From: chicks at chicks.net (chicks@chicks.net)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:09 2004
Subject: [HRPM] ipw.pl
In-Reply-To: <XFMail.20001018131239.lbyrd@memach.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10010181411570.10344-100000@yakko>

On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Lyman Byrd wrote:
> Does any one happen to have the ipw.pl program that I may get please.

What does it do?  Where did you see a reference?

-- 
</chris>

"The number of Unix installations has grown to 10, with more expected." 
           -- The Unix Programmer's Manual, 2nd edition, June '72


From lbyrd at memach.com  Wed Oct 18 13:40:09 2000
From: lbyrd at memach.com (Lyman Byrd)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:09 2004
Subject: [HRPM] ipw.pl
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10010181411570.10344-100000@yakko>
Message-ID: <XFMail.20001018144009.lbyrd@memach.com>

It is used to help determine who owns an ip address. It is mentioned in
several FAQs about security and probes and such and always refers to a
web page that no longer resolves... 

Lyman

On 18-Oct-2000 chicks@chicks.net wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Lyman Byrd wrote:
>> Does any one happen to have the ipw.pl program that I may get
>> please.
> 
> What does it do?  Where did you see a reference?
> 
> -- 
> </chris>
> 
> "The number of Unix installations has grown to 10, with more
> expected." 
>            -- The Unix Programmer's Manual, 2nd edition, June '72

----------------------------------
E-Mail: Lyman Byrd <lbyrd@memach.com>   Tel: 757.543.6801x253
     Date: 18-Oct-2000     Time: 14:38:34
    The opinions expressed here do not 
necessarily reflect those of Metro Machine Corp. 
----------------------------------

From gee at gwaltne.erols.com  Tue Oct 24 11:42:34 2000
From: gee at gwaltne.erols.com (Gee Gwaltney)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:09 2004
Subject: [HRPM] Form generation
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1001024121635.18522A-100000@gwaltne.erols.com>

	I'm trying to teach myself to use perl. In a sample form script
the author begins the script with:-
#!/usr/bin/perl -w
use strict;
use CGI qw(:standard);
print header(), start_html("Ice Cream Stand"), h1("Ice Cream Stand");
I would like to add body background color but I can't find how to do it.
I would like to open a file such as slate.gif to do this.
Could someone show me how to do this or point me to an information
source?

Gee


From jrowan at visi.net  Tue Oct 24 08:46:19 2000
From: jrowan at visi.net (Jeff Rowan)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:09 2004
Subject: [HRPM] Form generation
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1001024121635.18522A-100000@gwaltne.erols.com>
Message-ID: <005d01c03dc0$ca6621c0$61b4a6cd@dp.asi>

Gee,
Here's how to write tag attributes. I'd look at the CGI pod or man page. One
source is the documentation at perl.com

#!/usr/bin/perl
use CGI qw(:standard :html -body);
print header();
print start_html("Test Title");
print body({-background=>'slate.gif'}, h1("Test Title"));
print end_html;

Hope this helps,
Jeff Rowan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gee Gwaltney" <gee@gwaltne.erols.com>
To: <norfolk-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 12:42 PM
Subject: [HRPM] Form generation


> I'm trying to teach myself to use perl. In a sample form script
> the author begins the script with:-
> #!/usr/bin/perl -w
> use strict;
> use CGI qw(:standard);
> print header(), start_html("Ice Cream Stand"), h1("Ice Cream Stand");
> I would like to add body background color but I can't find how to do it.
> I would like to open a file such as slate.gif to do this.
> Could someone show me how to do this or point me to an information
> source?
>
> Gee
>


From mshivers11 at home.com  Tue Oct 24 15:01:19 2000
From: mshivers11 at home.com (Matt Shivers)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:09 2004
Subject: [HRPM] meeting this week?
Message-ID: <001101c03df5$2d0bbe00$1f8e1718@nwptn1.va.home.com>

Hello all,

Is the meeting for this month tomorrow night (the 25th)? I am getting the material together for the Perl/TK discussion and I wanted to be sure of the correct meeeting night.

Thanks,

Matt
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From chicks at chicks.net  Tue Oct 24 15:19:18 2000
From: chicks at chicks.net (chicks@chicks.net)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:09 2004
Subject: [HRPM] meeting this week?
In-Reply-To: <001101c03df5$2d0bbe00$1f8e1718@nwptn1.va.home.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10010241617390.5967-100000@yakko>

On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Matt Shivers wrote:

> Is the meeting for this month tomorrow night (the 25th)?

Yes.  I've been lazy and I haven't sent out the announcement yet.  I will
do so tonight.

> I am getting the material together for the Perl/TK discussion and I
> wanted to be sure of the correct meeeting night.

Yes.  Thank you.  Thank you.  (You may also want to check out the article
on perl.com for programming Gnome that just came out a few days ago.)

-- 
</chris>

"The number of Unix installations has grown to 10, with more expected." 
           -- The Unix Programmer's Manual, 2nd edition, June '72


From chicks at chicks.net  Tue Oct 24 19:04:34 2000
From: chicks at chicks.net (chicks@chicks.net)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:09 2004
Subject: [twuug-announce] 25 October - [HRPM] Meeting (and DINNER!) Announcement
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10010241955070.5967-100000@yakko>

 Please pass the word on for the next Hampton Roads Perl Mongers meeting:
 
 What:         The monthly Hampton Roads Perl Mongers Meeting
               http://norfolk.pm.org/

 Who:          Everyone in Hampton Roads interested in perl.  There
               are no dues or signup requirements.  All are welcome to
               attend.
 
 Where:        The meetings were alternating between Chesapeake and
               Newport News, but due to a change in employment, we're
               currently without a Chesapeake place to meet.  August's
               meeting will be at the Jefferson Lab in Newport News.
               Directions on the web and below.
 
 When:         7:30 PM till whenever on Wednesday 25 October 2000
               It's generally going to be on the last Wednesday of the
               month unless major holidays intervene.  (This puts us
               consistantly one week before TWUUG.)

 FOOD!:        6 PM right across Jefferson from the lab at Plaza Azteca.
               Goood Mexican food.  :-)
 
 Why:          Why not?  What could be better than to come and talk with
               others about the world's most fun programming language?
               Jabber, learn, teach, enjoy.  Starbucks is not far away.
 
 Agenda:       Whatever people on the HRPM mailing list decide!
               Various people who do perl rather often will be
               there to answer your perl questions.  Some expected
               topics are on the site.

               **    This month Matt Shivers will be doing a presentation
                     on programming GUI applications in perl using Tk!

               **    29 November, Chris Hicks will be re-presenting the
                     well-received, but not-well-attended presentation
                     on advanced data structures in perl.

 Directions:   http://norfolk.pm.org/location.shtml

               ( Have we finally got this right?  Somebody who hasn't
               been before should let us know if it worked for them.
               - chicks )

               Take 64 until you get to the exit for Oyster Point West.

               Upon exiting, you will be on Oyster Point Road headed
               toward Jefferson Ave. (If, after exiting, you find yourself
               approaching the Kiln Creek shopping center and passing Farm
               Fresh and Kmart, you've exited in the wrong direction, so
               turn around.)  The third light ahead, and the biggest
               intersection, is Jefferson Ave.

               Turn left onto Jefferson and go to the second light. On
               your left is Jefferson Lab. On your right is Dixie Trailer
               Park.

               (On the right, near the first light on Jefferson coming
               from Oyster Point you will find Plaza Azteca.  Yum.)

               Turn left into Jefferson Lab (Onnes Road) and go about 100
               yards to the T-intersection at which Onnes ends.

               (Ignore the totally innocuous Guard Shack on your right.)

               Turn left and head (in between all the flag poles)
               directly to CEBAF Center where the meeting will be held.

               Turn right just before you reach the circular drive in
               front of CEBAF Center, and park in the parking lot you will
               see on your left.

               Find your way into the building and to the building atrium.
               The atrium is right off the circular drive.

               Room L104 branches off the atrium on the right.






























































> 1.  What is the possibility of this being added in the future?
In the near future, the probability is close to zero.  In the distant
future, I'll be dead, and posterity can do whatever they like...  :-) --lwall


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From chicks at chicks.net  Tue Oct 24 19:12:12 2000
From: chicks at chicks.net (chicks@chicks.net)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:10 2004
Subject: [twuug-announce] 25 October - [HRPM] Meeting (and DINNER!) Announcement
 (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10010242007430.5967-100000@yakko>

I'm guessing that people on HRPM didn't get this since it didn't come back
to /me/ through HRPM.  If somebody only on HRPM, but not TWUUG did get
this, please let Lyman and I know.  And if so, please pardon my spam.

Ob. useful question: I sware I'm going to send out next month's
announcement sooner!  If anybody has any other mailing lists that you feel
should get these announcements let me know.

-- 
</chris>

"The number of Unix installations has grown to 10, with more expected." 
           -- The Unix Programmer's Manual, 2nd edition, June '72

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 20:04:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: chicks@chicks.net
Reply-To: norfolk-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
To: twuug-announce@twuug.org
Cc: DC perl-mongers list <dc@lists.pm.org>
Subject: [twuug-announce] 25 October - [HRPM] Meeting (and DINNER!) Announcement

 Please pass the word on for the next Hampton Roads Perl Mongers meeting:
 
 What:         The monthly Hampton Roads Perl Mongers Meeting
               http://norfolk.pm.org/

 Who:          Everyone in Hampton Roads interested in perl.  There
               are no dues or signup requirements.  All are welcome to
               attend.
 
 Where:        The meetings were alternating between Chesapeake and
               Newport News, but due to a change in employment, we're
               currently without a Chesapeake place to meet.  August's
               meeting will be at the Jefferson Lab in Newport News.
               Directions on the web and below.
 
 When:         7:30 PM till whenever on Wednesday 25 October 2000
               It's generally going to be on the last Wednesday of the
               month unless major holidays intervene.  (This puts us
               consistantly one week before TWUUG.)

 FOOD!:        6 PM right across Jefferson from the lab at Plaza Azteca.
               Goood Mexican food.  :-)
 
 Why:          Why not?  What could be better than to come and talk with
               others about the world's most fun programming language?
               Jabber, learn, teach, enjoy.  Starbucks is not far away.
 
 Agenda:       Whatever people on the HRPM mailing list decide!
               Various people who do perl rather often will be
               there to answer your perl questions.  Some expected
               topics are on the site.

               **    This month Matt Shivers will be doing a presentation
                     on programming GUI applications in perl using Tk!

               **    29 November, Chris Hicks will be re-presenting the
                     well-received, but not-well-attended presentation
                     on advanced data structures in perl.

 Directions:   http://norfolk.pm.org/location.shtml

               ( Have we finally got this right?  Somebody who hasn't
               been before should let us know if it worked for them.
               - chicks )

               Take 64 until you get to the exit for Oyster Point West.

               Upon exiting, you will be on Oyster Point Road headed
               toward Jefferson Ave. (If, after exiting, you find yourself
               approaching the Kiln Creek shopping center and passing Farm
               Fresh and Kmart, you've exited in the wrong direction, so
               turn around.)  The third light ahead, and the biggest
               intersection, is Jefferson Ave.

               Turn left onto Jefferson and go to the second light. On
               your left is Jefferson Lab. On your right is Dixie Trailer
               Park.

               (On the right, near the first light on Jefferson coming
               from Oyster Point you will find Plaza Azteca.  Yum.)

               Turn left into Jefferson Lab (Onnes Road) and go about 100
               yards to the T-intersection at which Onnes ends.

               (Ignore the totally innocuous Guard Shack on your right.)

               Turn left and head (in between all the flag poles)
               directly to CEBAF Center where the meeting will be held.

               Turn right just before you reach the circular drive in
               front of CEBAF Center, and park in the parking lot you will
               see on your left.

               Find your way into the building and to the building atrium.
               The atrium is right off the circular drive.

               Room L104 branches off the atrium on the right.






























































> 1.  What is the possibility of this being added in the future?
In the near future, the probability is close to zero.  In the distant
future, I'll be dead, and posterity can do whatever they like...  :-) --lwall


-
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* To unsubscribe from the TWUUG discussion list, either send e-mail to
-  twuug-announce-request@twuug.org with the word "unsubscribe" by itself
-  in the body of the message or visit: 
-  http://www.twuug.org/lists/twuuglists.html  


From twebster at pcs.cnu.edu  Thu Oct 26 07:48:24 2000
From: twebster at pcs.cnu.edu (Troy E. Webster)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:10 2004
Subject: [HRPM] windoze word parsing
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02A.10010260844070.6001-100000@defender>

Ok guys,

I need to open up a msword 2000 dcoument and parse through it, stripping
out all the extraneous control characters and non-printables. End result
will be a html document with custom formatting. 

Has any one done this before? Does anyone have any ideas for approaching
this? Any advice besides the usual rtfm?

Thanks,
Troy

ps. nice meeting last night, I learned alot from Matt's tk talk


From jeff at alanne.com  Thu Oct 26 08:42:08 2000
From: jeff at alanne.com (Jeff Duffy)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:10 2004
Subject: [HRPM] windoze word parsing
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.02A.10010260844070.6001-100000@defender>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010260941070.6557-100000@cairhien.alanne.com>

On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, Troy E. Webster wrote:

> I need to open up a msword 2000 dcoument and parse through it, stripping
> out all the extraneous control characters and non-printables. End result
> will be a html document with custom formatting. 

 You need a nifty utility called AntiWord:

http://www.winfield.demon.nl/

 Jeff


From chicks at chicks.net  Thu Oct 26 08:45:38 2000
From: chicks at chicks.net (chicks@chicks.net)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:10 2004
Subject: [HRPM] topics poll.
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10010260937330.5967-100000@yakko>

In the next month or so I'm going to setup a poll for possible HRPM
topics.  Here are the topics I can think of off the top of my head:

	DBI
	mod_perl
	CGI
	XML
	TK/Perl
	advanced data structures
	OOP
	creating/installing modules
	Win32 (ick.)
	regular expressions

Can you think of anything else?

-- 
</chris>

"The number of Unix installations has grown to 10, with more expected." 
           -- The Unix Programmer's Manual, 2nd edition, June '72


From chicks at chicks.net  Thu Oct 26 08:52:18 2000
From: chicks at chicks.net (chicks@chicks.net)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:10 2004
Subject: [HRPM] windoze word parsing
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.02A.10010260844070.6001-100000@defender>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10010260947500.5967-100000@yakko>

On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, Troy E. Webster wrote:

> I need to open up a msword 2000 dcoument and parse through it,
> stripping out all the extraneous control characters and
> non-printables. End result will be a html document with custom
> formatting. Has any one done this before? Does anyone have any ideas
> for approaching this? Any advice besides the usual rtfm?

I use mswordview which I installed as an RPM:

Name        : mswordview
Version     : 0.5.2
Release     : 1
Group       : Utilities/Text
Size        : 2137284
License     : GPL
Vendor      : Caolan McNamara <Caolan.McNamara@ul.ie>
Packager    : Ryan Weaver <ryanw@infohwy.com>
URL         : http://www.csn.ul.ie/~caolan/docs/MSWordView.html
Summary     : MSWord 8 binary file format -> HTML converter
Description :
MSWordView is a program that understands the Microsoft Word 8
binary file format (Office97) and is able to convert Word
documents into HTML, which can then be read with a browser.

It does OK with some documents from 2000 and complains about others.
YMMV.

> ps. nice meeting last night, I learned alot from Matt's tk talk

It was very well done.  He's going to turn the slides into HTML after
making some minor corrections and we'll post it on norfolk.pm.org.

-- 
</chris>

"The number of Unix installations has grown to 10, with more expected." 
           -- The Unix Programmer's Manual, 2nd edition, June '72


From twebster at pcs.cnu.edu  Thu Oct 26 09:11:39 2000
From: twebster at pcs.cnu.edu (Troy E. Webster)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:10 2004
Subject: [HRPM] windoze word parsing
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10010260947500.5967-100000@yakko>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02A.10010261008470.6717-100000@defender>

Hey all,

I used the antiword thing. Works really great and gives me straight ASCII
text output from a .doc input. Now I can serve as html without relying on
anyone else to screw it up for me (ie. microsoft products)

thanks Jeff

Troy

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From jeff at alanne.com  Thu Oct 26 09:25:57 2000
From: jeff at alanne.com (Jeff Duffy)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:10 2004
Subject: [HRPM] topics poll.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10010260937330.5967-100000@yakko>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010261014440.6557-100000@cairhien.alanne.com>

On Thu, 26 Oct 2000 chicks@chicks.net wrote:


 Request #1: Integrating Perl and Java.

 I would like to see a discussion of various techniques to manage exception / error
handling in Perl, along with a few nifty tricks to minimize the number of expensive eval()
calls. 

> 	XML

 Advanced XML: writing validating parsers, and the DTDs that accompany them.

> 	advanced data structures

 How about a talk on data structure concepts relating to design decisions? For instance,
benefits/disavantages to building hash tables in memory vice dbm files on disk? What about
coverage of building sorting algorithms when qsort (the default) doesn't turn out to be the
best choice?

> 	OOP

 I think a talk on the life-cycle of an object would be valuable, from instantiation to
destruction, using some of the more esoteric Perl functions (like AUTOLOAD, DESTROY, etc).

 I would also like to see good coverage of how to exploit tie() in an OO environment to
minimize object complexity for the end user.

> 	regular expressions

 I think a discussion on regex efficiency issues would be valuable, particularly on how to
best 'narrow down' your patterns to effect the shortest correct match, and what sort of
things to avoid.

 Jeff


From kernell at sundog.larc.nasa.gov  Thu Oct 26 10:41:04 2000
From: kernell at sundog.larc.nasa.gov (Robert Kernell)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:10 2004
Subject: [HRPM] last night
Message-ID: <200010261541.LAA03770@sundog.larc.nasa.gov>

I got a lot out of the talk last night too. Thank you to the presenter. Also,
I found the "after-talk" discussion of mod-perl to be interesting, since we use 
Apache and Postgres.

Quick question: What is XML, in two sentences?

I may be interested in doing a Perl OO talk whenever Chris deems it appropriate 
and if people are interested. :)

Bob Kernell
Research Scientist
Surface Validation Group
AS&M, Inc.
email: kernell@sundog.larc.nasa.gov
tel: 757-827-4631


From chicks at chicks.net  Thu Oct 26 10:43:20 2000
From: chicks at chicks.net (chicks@chicks.net)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:10 2004
Subject: [HRPM] last night
In-Reply-To: <200010261541.LAA03770@sundog.larc.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10010261137460.5967-100000@yakko>

On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, Robert Kernell wrote:

> I got a lot out of the talk last night too. Thank you to the
> presenter.

[applause.]  Yes, yes, yes.

> Also, I found the "after-talk" discussion of mod-perl to be
> interesting, since we use Apache and Postgres.

mod_perl is the bomb.  (And I prefer MySQL over Postgres for production
given the performance and reliability.)

> Quick question: What is XML, in two sentences?

Two equally correct perspectives are:

A) An open way to define data formats to maximize interoperability.

B) Watered-down SGML.

> I may be interested in doing a Perl OO talk whenever Chris deems it
> appropriate and if people are interested. :)

Cool.  Jeff Duffy did an OO talk two or three months ago.  Sometime early
next year would probably be a good time for another one.  But it isn't
when I deem appropriate!  I'm just here to guage the group's preferences.
:-)

-- 
</chris>

"The number of Unix installations has grown to 10, with more expected." 
           -- The Unix Programmer's Manual, 2nd edition, June '72


From jeff at alanne.com  Thu Oct 26 11:07:54 2000
From: jeff at alanne.com (Jeff Duffy)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:10 2004
Subject: [HRPM] last night
In-Reply-To: <200010261541.LAA03770@sundog.larc.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010261156100.18857-100000@cairhien.alanne.com>

On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, Robert Kernell wrote:

> Quick question: What is XML, in two sentences?

 Ooh, a challenge :) (deep breath).

 The eXtensible Markup Language (XML) is a subset of SGML designed to allow the construction of documents that
have the defining characteristic of using elements as the primary mode of delineation for identifying discrete
portions of a document, which may be required to conform to a standard, called a Document Type Definition,
that provides a blueprint for which elements may or must be included in the document, what order they may
appear in, and (to some extent) what the contents of a given element may be.

 The power of XML is that it allows you to define a standard for the exchange of arbitrary sets of data in a
fashion that can be easily parsed and checked (called validation) against a description of the standard (the
DTD), thus providing a powerful conduit for allowing disparate entities (like businesses, publishers, etc.) to
transfer information betwixt one another and remain confident that the data will be properly processed and
understood.

 Jeff


From chicks at chicks.net  Thu Oct 26 11:04:26 2000
From: chicks at chicks.net (chicks@chicks.net)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:10 2004
Subject: [HRPM] topics poll.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010261014440.6557-100000@cairhien.alanne.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10010261154130.5967-100000@yakko>

On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, Jeff Duffy wrote:
>  Request #1: Integrating Perl and Java.

Larry did that a few years ago.  It was documented in the Perl Resource
Kit, but my copy of the resource kit seems to be missing that volume.  He
mentioned that project in Camel Lot 6.  I've got the mp3 of that
presentation from Dr. Dobb's and there was a transcription of that talk
somewhere.

>  I would like to see a discussion of various techniques to manage
> exception / error handling in Perl, along with a few nifty tricks to
> minimize the number of expensive eval() calls.

/I/'d like to see that.  Carp.pm would be good to discuss first.

> > 	XML
> 
>  Advanced XML: writing validating parsers, and the DTDs that accompany
> them.

So, can we sign you up to do a few months of XML presentations?  :-)

> > 	advanced data structures
> 
>  How about a talk on data structure concepts relating to design
> decisions? For instance, benefits/disavantages to building hash tables
> in memory vice dbm files on disk?

That'd be good.  I'll try to mention that next month.

> What about coverage of building sorting algorithms when qsort (the
> default) doesn't turn out to be the best choice?

For example?

> > 	OOP
> 
>  I think a talk on the life-cycle of an object would be valuable, from
> instantiation to destruction, using some of the more esoteric Perl
> functions (like AUTOLOAD, DESTROY, etc).

We should probably get people a little more OOP knowledged first.

>  I would also like to see good coverage of how to exploit tie() in an
> OO environment to minimize object complexity for the end user.

That'd be good.  I've played with tie a very little bit, but it's very
cool.

> > 	regular expressions
> 
>  I think a discussion on regex efficiency issues would be valuable,
> particularly on how to best 'narrow down' your patterns to effect the
> shortest correct match, and what sort of things to avoid.

I can do that.  I need to significantly rework my regex content, and I'll
try to add that in.

-- 
</chris>

"The number of Unix installations has grown to 10, with more expected." 
           -- The Unix Programmer's Manual, 2nd edition, June '72









From twebster at pcs.cnu.edu  Thu Oct 26 11:46:08 2000
From: twebster at pcs.cnu.edu (Troy E. Webster)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:10 2004
Subject: [HRPM] last night
In-Reply-To: <200010261541.LAA03770@sundog.larc.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010261241210.27887-100000@artoo.pcs.cnu.edu>

Robert,

I did a quick down n dirty intro to XMl for a group of developers at JLab
a few months ago. I've got it up at http://www.pcs.cnu.edu/~acm

go through the intro and click on the 'tutorials' link.

There you will find a nice overview of XML, mostly from a web development
point of view. Also gives a pretty good definition of XML.

Troy

On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, Robert Kernell wrote:
> 
> Quick question: What is XML, in two sentences?

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From mshivers11 at home.com  Thu Oct 26 12:38:37 2000
From: mshivers11 at home.com (Matt Shivers)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:10 2004
Subject: [HRPM] Topics Poll
Message-ID: <002101c03f73$929e2300$1f8e1718@nwptn1.va.home.com>

Here's a thought on a Perl topic...

How about a discussion on the behind the scene Perl stuff like memory management, internals of the interpreter, structures used by the interpreter, code parsing (specifically - how are scalar and array data content determined - int/float/char/etc..), and other language specific topics.

Thanks,

Matt

P.S. Thanks for all the positive comments about the Tk discussion. 
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From chicks at chicks.net  Thu Oct 26 12:53:09 2000
From: chicks at chicks.net (chicks@chicks.net)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:10 2004
Subject: [HRPM] Topics Poll
In-Reply-To: <002101c03f73$929e2300$1f8e1718@nwptn1.va.home.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10010261352290.5967-100000@yakko>

On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, Matt Shivers wrote:

> How about a discussion on the behind the scene Perl stuff like memory
> management, internals of the interpreter, structures used by the
> interpreter, code parsing (specifically - how are scalar and array
> data content determined - int/float/char/etc..), and other language
> specific topics.

I've added perl internals to my list.

> P.S. Thanks for all the positive comments about the Tk discussion. 

Gladly.  :-)

-- 
</chris>

"The number of Unix installations has grown to 10, with more expected." 
           -- The Unix Programmer's Manual, 2nd edition, June '72


From chicks at chicks.net  Fri Oct 27 10:41:47 2000
From: chicks at chicks.net (chicks@chicks.net)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:10 2004
Subject: [HRPM] Andreas Koenig responded re. CPAN.pm mis-installing 5.6!
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10010271135380.26156-100000@yakko>

I was cleaning up old stuff today and I found the HRPM thread about
CPAN.pm installing perl 5.6 when you were just trying to install a module.
I sent off a note to Andreas Koenig and he responded within a few hours
with the answer!  Isn't perl great?  :-)

-- 
</chris>

"The number of Unix installations has grown to 10, with more expected." 
           -- The Unix Programmer's Manual, 2nd edition, June '72

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: 27 Oct 2000 17:23:59 +0200
From: Andreas J. Koenig <andreas.koenig@anima.de>
To: chicks@chicks.net
Cc: Andreas Koenig <andreas.koenig@anima.de>
Subject: Re: CPAN installing 5.6 when it isn't wanted

>>>>> On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 09:48:25 -0400 (EDT), chicks@chicks.net said:

 > There's been a lot of discussion in our local perl mongers group about
 > CPAN installing perl 5.6 when only a module was requested.

 > I've looked the CPAN.pm release notes and extensively on the net for an
 > answer. I found this:
 >         http://www.linux.ie/pipermail/ilug/2000-September/023632.html

 > But that's all.  Is this fixed?  Was it broke in the first place?

It was damn bad broken, sure. It was fixed immediately after it
appeared the moment after perl-5.6.0 was released. If the bug has
reappeared since in some different manifestation, I'd need a bug
report.

 > I'd like to forward an answer back to my local perl mongers if you don't
 > object ( http://norfolk.pm.org ).

Sure, please do. It's a mess because the bug of course still exists
for the old CPAN.pm which comes with old perls. The problem is that
old CPAN.pm do not recognize the file name perl-5.6.0.tar.gz as a perl
distribution.

-- 
andreas




From twebster at pcs.cnu.edu  Sat Oct 28 12:00:31 2000
From: twebster at pcs.cnu.edu (Troy E. Webster)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:10 2004
Subject: [HRPM] quick question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010261241210.27887-100000@artoo.pcs.cnu.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02A.10010281237530.28071-100000@defender>


Hey what's the most painless way to launch a seperate perl script from
inside another? I need to pass the seperate script one scalar. PS I'm
not using oop here. 

I also need to launch a C program from within. Is it done the same way? 

My first thought was to just use system, as in:

 @args = ("command","arg1","arg2");
    system(@args) == 0
	 or die "system @args failed: $?"

Am I thinking about this the right way?

Any thoughts are appreciated. 

Thanks,
Troy

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``Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not
tried it.''  -Don Knuth
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From chicks at chicks.net  Sat Oct 28 12:16:19 2000
From: chicks at chicks.net (chicks@chicks.net)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:08:10 2004
Subject: [HRPM] quick question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.02A.10010281237530.28071-100000@defender>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10010281310550.26156-100000@yakko>

On Sat, 28 Oct 2000, Troy E. Webster wrote:
> Hey what's the most painless way to launch a seperate perl script from
> inside another? I need to pass the seperate script one scalar. PS I'm
> not using oop here. 
> 
> I also need to launch a C program from within. Is it done the same way? 
> 
> My first thought was to just use system, as in:
> 
>  @args = ("command","arg1","arg2");
>     system(@args) == 0
> 	 or die "system @args failed: $?"
> 
> Am I thinking about this the right way?
> 
> Any thoughts are appreciated. 

BTW - That's the best way to use system().  If @args has only one element
or if you pass a scalar directly to system, it may get invoked by the
shell which is a security hazard.

And system() is a good choice if you don't need any output from the
command and the command isn't going to produce any output.  If the command
is going to produce output, you may want to use open(FH,"$cmdlin |")
instead.  If you don't need the output you can always throw it away.  If
the command is going to produce output on STDERR that has to be redirected
somewhere you're back to using the system() call with a scalar that will
get invoked by the shell.

-- 
</chris>

"The number of Unix installations has grown to 10, with more expected." 
           -- The Unix Programmer's Manual, 2nd edition, June '72