From fieldsofgarlic at gmail.com Sun Nov 19 11:42:25 2006 From: fieldsofgarlic at gmail.com (Dave Cash) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 14:42:25 -0500 Subject: [Neworleans-pm] New Orleans Perl Mongers: Our Future Message-ID: Perl Mongers of New Orleans, Meeting attendance has been very low lately, as has been mailing list traffic. I, for one, am not using Perl as much as I used to. Thus, my interest and enthusiasm for Perl has waned somewhat. I still think there are times when it's the best tool for the job, but I'm widening my toolkit a lot. What do the rest of you say? Are people still interested in Perl? Are people still interested in meeting monthly to talk about Perl? One reason I bring this up now is that Fair Grinds, which has generously made their upstairs space available to us, has another group that would like to meet at 7:00 every Thursday evening. We are the one group that keeps then from doing that, since we have 5:30 to 8:00 blocked out for the second Thursday every month. Robert feels we have first dibs on the time slot and wants us to keep it if we still want it. But if we're not really going to use it, I propose that we either: 1) change our meeting day and time 2) change our meeting location 3) stop meeting as regularly, at least until interest in Perl returns Either way, I propose we release our hold on the 7:00 - 8:00 third Thursday at Fair Grinds. Robert and Elizabeth have been very good to us and I would like to help them out. But I believe we should make the decision as a group. Let me say that if people became interested again and we could get at least five people to come every month, I'd be into it. Thanks, Dave From joey at joeykelly.net Sat Nov 25 07:46:28 2006 From: joey at joeykelly.net (Joey Kelly) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 09:46:28 -0600 Subject: [Neworleans-pm] New Orleans Perl Mongers: Our Future In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200611250946.35198.joey@joeykelly.net> On Sunday 19 November 2006 13:42, Dave Cash wrote: > > 1) change our meeting day and time > 2) change our meeting location > 3) stop meeting as regularly, at least until interest in Perl returns > > Either way, I propose we release our hold on the 7:00 - 8:00 third > Thursday at Fair Grinds. Robert and Elizabeth have been very good to > us and I would like to help them out. But I believe we should make > the decision as a group. Understood. I would love to attend regularly, but it just doesn't happen (I have way too much other stuff going on). -- Joey Kelly < Minister of the Gospel | Linux Consultant > http://joeykelly.net How many spyware pop-ups did you get on your Windows computer today? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/neworleans-pm/attachments/20061125/786bb99c/attachment.bin From erin at thelaines.org Sat Nov 25 16:54:38 2006 From: erin at thelaines.org (Erin Laine) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 18:54:38 -0600 Subject: [Neworleans-pm] New Orleans Perl Mongers: Our Future In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4568E5CE.7060909@thelaines.org> I say that we should give away the time slot at Fair Grinds. Weak prior attendance shows that interest is not very strong at this time or location. I know I usually can't make it. I'm still very interested in Perl along with other popular, free programming languages for web apps. Maybe some kind of more general web developers group would be of more interest? Erin Dave Cash wrote: > Perl Mongers of New Orleans, > > Meeting attendance has been very low lately, as has been mailing list traffic. > > I, for one, am not using Perl as much as I used to. Thus, my interest > and enthusiasm for Perl has waned somewhat. I still think there are > times when it's the best tool for the job, but I'm widening my toolkit > a lot. > > What do the rest of you say? Are people still interested in Perl? > Are people still interested in meeting monthly to talk about Perl? > > One reason I bring this up now is that Fair Grinds, which has > generously made their upstairs space available to us, has another > group that would like to meet at 7:00 every Thursday evening. We are > the one group that keeps then from doing that, since we have 5:30 to > 8:00 blocked out for the second Thursday every month. Robert feels we > have first dibs on the time slot and wants us to keep it if we still > want it. But if we're not really going to use it, I propose that we > either: > > 1) change our meeting day and time > 2) change our meeting location > 3) stop meeting as regularly, at least until interest in Perl returns > > Either way, I propose we release our hold on the 7:00 - 8:00 third > Thursday at Fair Grinds. Robert and Elizabeth have been very good to > us and I would like to help them out. But I believe we should make > the decision as a group. > > Let me say that if people became interested again and we could get at > least five people to come every month, I'd be into it. > > Thanks, > > Dave > _______________________________________________ > NewOrleans-pm mailing list > NewOrleans-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/neworleans-pm > From fieldsofgarlic at gmail.com Sat Nov 25 21:32:54 2006 From: fieldsofgarlic at gmail.com (Dave Cash) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 00:32:54 -0500 Subject: [Neworleans-pm] Fwd: New Orleans Perl Mongers: Our Future In-Reply-To: References: <4568E5CE.7060909@thelaines.org> Message-ID: Oops! Meant to send this to this to the list as well as to Erin... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Dave Cash Date: Nov 26, 2006 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [Neworleans-pm] New Orleans Perl Mongers: Our Future To: Erin Laine On 11/25/06, Erin Laine wrote: > I say that we should give away the time slot at Fair Grinds. Weak prior > attendance shows that interest is not very strong at this time or > location. I know I usually can't make it. It sounds like we're building a consensus of giving up the slot. Unless I hear strong objections in the next few days, I'll let Robert and Elizabeth know we're releasing our hold on the slot. > I'm still very interested in Perl along with other popular, free > programming languages for web apps. Maybe some kind of more general web > developers group would be of more interest? I've thought about this too. I like this idea, though I'd rather gear it towards web programmers than web developers. Maybe it's the same thing, maybe it's just semantics. So what would we be called? NOLAcoders? When would we meet? Dave From estrabd at mailcan.com Sun Nov 26 09:36:04 2006 From: estrabd at mailcan.com (B. Estrade) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 17:36:04 +0000 Subject: [Neworleans-pm] Fwd: New Orleans Perl Mongers: Our Future In-Reply-To: References: <4568E5CE.7060909@thelaines.org> Message-ID: (btw, I am not sure what email address of mine is registered here anymore, so pls post to the list if this gets rejected or doesn't show up) I think that going from a PM to a "web programmer" group is a very, very bad idea. Perl != web programming, though this is an area where it obviously shines. If most regular attendees of the meetings are web programmers using Perl, then simply format the subject matter to this area of use fperl. If it is indeed the consensus to become a general web programming club, then you are no longer a "Perl Monger" group and need to inform the PM folks so that people that are exclusively interested in all things Perl can have this distinction. Brett On 11/26/06, Dave Cash wrote: > Oops! Meant to send this to this to the list as well as to Erin... > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Dave Cash > Date: Nov 26, 2006 12:32 AM > Subject: Re: [Neworleans-pm] New Orleans Perl Mongers: Our Future > To: Erin Laine > > > On 11/25/06, Erin Laine wrote: > > > I say that we should give away the time slot at Fair Grinds. Weak prior > > attendance shows that interest is not very strong at this time or > > location. I know I usually can't make it. > > It sounds like we're building a consensus of giving up the slot. > Unless I hear strong objections in the next few days, I'll let Robert > and Elizabeth know we're releasing our hold on the slot. > > > I'm still very interested in Perl along with other popular, free > > programming languages for web apps. Maybe some kind of more general web > > developers group would be of more interest? > > I've thought about this too. I like this idea, though I'd rather gear > it towards web programmers than web developers. Maybe it's the same > thing, maybe it's just semantics. > > So what would we be called? NOLAcoders? When would we meet? > > Dave > _______________________________________________ > NewOrleans-pm mailing list > NewOrleans-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/neworleans-pm > From alex at houseofwalker.net Sun Nov 26 22:19:34 2006 From: alex at houseofwalker.net (Alex Walker) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 22:19:34 -0800 Subject: [Neworleans-pm] New Orleans Perl Mongers: Our Future In-Reply-To: References: <4568E5CE.7060909@thelaines.org> Message-ID: I'm checking in a little late here, but I'd like to second Dave's suggestions. The meetings I've been to recently (which, admittedly, have been few and far between) have been pretty free-wheeling affairs with a lot of discussion of things other than Perl. Personally, my own work has involved a lot more PHP, JSP, and Java Server Faces, so it would be great to have something that was a bit more open to that. Heck, I might even have some things to present a bit more formally to the group. As for the meeting time, let's go ahead and give that up. I'd still like to keep it at Fair Grinds on another night if we can. I've had a class that meets on Thursday nights this semester so I haven't been to a meeting for a while, but I do have every intension of showing up a bit more regularly after the new year. As to the name... "NOLA Coders" sounds pretty good. I'd also be open to "NOLA Web Programmers" or "NOLA People Who Were Picked Last in Gym Class and Who Now Spend Too Much Time in Front of a Computer". Alex On Nov 25, 2006, at 9:32 PM, Dave Cash wrote: > Oops! Meant to send this to this to the list as well as to Erin... > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Dave Cash > Date: Nov 26, 2006 12:32 AM > Subject: Re: [Neworleans-pm] New Orleans Perl Mongers: Our Future > To: Erin Laine > > > On 11/25/06, Erin Laine wrote: > >> I say that we should give away the time slot at Fair Grinds. Weak >> prior >> attendance shows that interest is not very strong at this time or >> location. I know I usually can't make it. > > It sounds like we're building a consensus of giving up the slot. > Unless I hear strong objections in the next few days, I'll let Robert > and Elizabeth know we're releasing our hold on the slot. > >> I'm still very interested in Perl along with other popular, free >> programming languages for web apps. Maybe some kind of more general >> web >> developers group would be of more interest? > > I've thought about this too. I like this idea, though I'd rather gear > it towards web programmers than web developers. Maybe it's the same > thing, maybe it's just semantics. > > So what would we be called? NOLAcoders? When would we meet? > > Dave > _______________________________________________ > NewOrleans-pm mailing list > NewOrleans-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/neworleans-pm > From alex at houseofwalker.net Sun Nov 26 22:19:44 2006 From: alex at houseofwalker.net (Alex Walker) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 22:19:44 -0800 Subject: [Neworleans-pm] New Orleans Perl Mongers: Our Future In-Reply-To: References: <4568E5CE.7060909@thelaines.org> Message-ID: I'm checking in a little late here, but I'd like to second Dave's suggestions. The meetings I've been to recently (which, admittedly, have been few and far between) have been pretty free-wheeling affairs with a lot of discussion of things other than Perl. Personally, my own work has involved a lot more PHP, JSP, and Java Server Faces, so it would be great to have something that was a bit more open to that. Heck, I might even have some things to present a bit more formally to the group. As for the meeting time, let's go ahead and give that up. I'd still like to keep it at Fair Grinds on another night if we can. I've had a class that meets on Thursday nights this semester so I haven't been to a meeting for a while, but I do have every intension of showing up a bit more regularly after the new year. As to the name... "NOLA Coders" sounds pretty good. I'd also be open to "NOLA Web Programmers" or "NOLA People Who Were Picked Last in Gym Class and Who Now Spend Too Much Time in Front of a Computer". Alex On Nov 25, 2006, at 9:32 PM, Dave Cash wrote: > Oops! Meant to send this to this to the list as well as to Erin... > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Dave Cash > Date: Nov 26, 2006 12:32 AM > Subject: Re: [Neworleans-pm] New Orleans Perl Mongers: Our Future > To: Erin Laine > > > On 11/25/06, Erin Laine wrote: > >> I say that we should give away the time slot at Fair Grinds. Weak >> prior >> attendance shows that interest is not very strong at this time or >> location. I know I usually can't make it. > > It sounds like we're building a consensus of giving up the slot. > Unless I hear strong objections in the next few days, I'll let Robert > and Elizabeth know we're releasing our hold on the slot. > >> I'm still very interested in Perl along with other popular, free >> programming languages for web apps. Maybe some kind of more general >> web >> developers group would be of more interest? > > I've thought about this too. I like this idea, though I'd rather gear > it towards web programmers than web developers. Maybe it's the same > thing, maybe it's just semantics. > > So what would we be called? NOLAcoders? When would we meet? > > Dave > _______________________________________________ > NewOrleans-pm mailing list > NewOrleans-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/neworleans-pm > From estrabd at mailcan.com Sun Nov 26 21:32:16 2006 From: estrabd at mailcan.com (B. Estrade) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 05:32:16 +0000 Subject: [Neworleans-pm] New Orleans Perl Mongers: Our Future In-Reply-To: References: <4568E5CE.7060909@thelaines.org> Message-ID: Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought Joey Kelly started a PHP group a while back - pre-Kat. .. Joey? Reducing the number of PM meetings or dissolving the group completely is a far different path than converting a PM group into a "general web dev" group, which for all intensive purposes, makes it no longer a PM group. Perhaps the PM group can continue to exist as a web presence with meetings every 3 months or so while those interested can form a separate "generic web dev" group from the subset of NOPM'ers that are interested in such. If the PM meetings were held quarterly and on a weekend (say Sundays around noon), I'd probably be able to drive in from BR to attend. I've also offered before to talk about things like Perl 6/Parrot and the magic behind Perl's regexes. This is the most activity the list has seen in a very long while, and a discussion like this is well over due. It was unfortunate that I didn't make any PM meetings while I was still in NO, but I still feel like I am a part of NOPM nonetheless, and I have been looking for a chance to continue/increase my involvement while being in BR. On this flip side, this might be a good reason to seriously look at starting a BR/LSU PM group based at LSU since I work and go to school there...plus I know a lot of people who use Perl for non-web dev stuff...not that I am against web dev - that is how I got started with programming 10 years ago and how I continue to pay some of my bills today. I've said all I am going to, so I'll just sit back and see what you guys end up deciding. Sincerely, Brett On 11/27/06, Alex Walker wrote: > I'm checking in a little late here, but I'd like to second Dave's > suggestions. The meetings I've been to recently (which, admittedly, > have been few and far between) have been pretty free-wheeling affairs > with a lot of discussion of things other than Perl. Personally, my own > work has involved a lot more PHP, JSP, and Java Server Faces, so it > would be great to have something that was a bit more open to that. > Heck, I might even have some things to present a bit more formally to > the group. > > As for the meeting time, let's go ahead and give that up. I'd still > like to keep it at Fair Grinds on another night if we can. I've had a > class that meets on Thursday nights this semester so I haven't been to > a meeting for a while, but I do have every intension of showing up a > bit more regularly after the new year. > > As to the name... "NOLA Coders" sounds pretty good. I'd also be open > to "NOLA Web Programmers" or "NOLA People Who Were Picked Last in Gym > Class and Who Now Spend Too Much Time in Front of a Computer". > > Alex > > > > > On Nov 25, 2006, at 9:32 PM, Dave Cash wrote: > > > Oops! Meant to send this to this to the list as well as to Erin... > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Dave Cash > > Date: Nov 26, 2006 12:32 AM > > Subject: Re: [Neworleans-pm] New Orleans Perl Mongers: Our Future > > To: Erin Laine > > > > > > On 11/25/06, Erin Laine wrote: > > > >> I say that we should give away the time slot at Fair Grinds. Weak > >> prior > >> attendance shows that interest is not very strong at this time or > >> location. I know I usually can't make it. > > > > It sounds like we're building a consensus of giving up the slot. > > Unless I hear strong objections in the next few days, I'll let Robert > > and Elizabeth know we're releasing our hold on the slot. > > > >> I'm still very interested in Perl along with other popular, free > >> programming languages for web apps. Maybe some kind of more general > >> web > >> developers group would be of more interest? > > > > I've thought about this too. I like this idea, though I'd rather gear > > it towards web programmers than web developers. Maybe it's the same > > thing, maybe it's just semantics. > > > > So what would we be called? NOLAcoders? When would we meet? > > > > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > > NewOrleans-pm mailing list > > NewOrleans-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/neworleans-pm > > > > _______________________________________________ > NewOrleans-pm mailing list > NewOrleans-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/neworleans-pm > From jwietelmann at gmail.com Mon Nov 27 15:07:06 2006 From: jwietelmann at gmail.com (Joel Wietelmann) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:07:06 -0600 Subject: [Neworleans-pm] developer group ideas Message-ID: Hi there everyone, I've never been to one of your meetings, but I've got some ideas for you. I and some friends/co-workers recently registered 'nolaphp.org' and have been working on starting up a PHP group. We hope to have the webpage up and schedule our first event soon. Anyone who'd like to help out with that is welcome. While interest-specific groups are great for their ability to keep focused on things that truly interest the people involved, it would also be great to have a general developers' group in town, so I propose the following: 1. Go ahead with small, independently organized, interest-specific dev groups. You could keep up your Perl group, we can get our PHP group moving, etc. 2. Create a larger, more general developers' group that is basically nothing more than a way to affiliate all of our little dev groups. This larger group could help organize major events co-hosted by our independent groups. Sound like something that would interest you? From andy at petdance.com Mon Nov 27 15:11:39 2006 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:11:39 -0600 Subject: [Neworleans-pm] developer group ideas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <208A8A3B-127C-4CA0-A8E3-88DAEC565541@petdance.com> On Nov 27, 2006, at 5:07 PM, Joel Wietelmann wrote: > 1. Go ahead with small, independently organized, interest-specific dev > groups. You could keep up your Perl group, we can get our PHP group > moving, etc. Allow me to chime in here and say that the #1 thing that any grouop needs is content. In all this discussion of NOLA.pm (and admittedly I've been skimming) there's been talk of the group as an entity, but not of what it provides its members. The answer is pretty simple: If you want people to come to your group meetings, you have to have something that is worth going for. Most people aren't going to go to ANY kind of meeting unless there's something to attract them. I've found that the only way to actually get people going to Perl Mongers meetings is by having something HAPPEN at the meeting. -- Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance From joey at joeykelly.net Thu Nov 30 16:11:01 2006 From: joey at joeykelly.net (Joey Kelly) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:11:01 -0600 Subject: [Neworleans-pm] New Orleans Perl Mongers: Our Future In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200611301811.02259.joey@joeykelly.net> On Sunday 26 November 2006 23:32, B. Estrade wrote: > Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought Joey Kelly started a PHP group > a while back - pre-Kat. .. Joey? Right. We gave up the slot due to pitiful attendance. The mailing list is still up, but no one's posted in so long, I think bit rot is starting to set in on the archive file. -- Joey Kelly < Minister of the Gospel | Linux Consultant > http://joeykelly.net How many spyware pop-ups did you get on your Windows computer today? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/neworleans-pm/attachments/20061130/8501bad5/attachment.bin