From mailinglisten at renee-baecker.de Sat Jul 14 04:29:32 2012 From: mailinglisten at renee-baecker.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9e_B=E4cker?=) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 13:29:32 +0200 Subject: [Munich-pm] 15. Deutscher Perl-Workshop -> immer noch kein Ort... Message-ID: <5001581C.7010008@renee-baecker.de> Hallo Perlmongers, leider hat sich bisher noch keine Gruppe gefunden, die den n?chsten Deutschen Perl-Workshop ausrichten m?chte. Es w?re schade, wenn die ?lteste Perl-Veranstaltung im n?chsten Jahr aussetzen m?sste. Die YAPC::Europe in Frankfurt w?re doch eigentlich ein sch?ner Ort, um den DPW 2013 anzuk?ndigen ;-) Bitte macht euch Gedanken, wer das ?bernehmen w?rde und schickt mir eine Mail bis 31. Juli... Viele Gr??e, Ren?e From richard.foley at rfi.net Sat Jul 14 07:01:43 2012 From: richard.foley at rfi.net (Richard Foley) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 16:01:43 +0200 Subject: [Munich-pm] 15. Deutscher Perl-Workshop -> immer noch kein Ort... In-Reply-To: <5001581C.7010008@renee-baecker.de> References: <5001581C.7010008@renee-baecker.de> Message-ID: <20120714140143.GF31886@thpad> Gibt es m?he f?r so was im M?nchen zu machen? Jemand von MPM...? -- Ciao Richard Foley http://www.rfi.net/books.html On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 01:29:32PM +0200, Ren?e B?cker wrote: > Hallo Perlmongers, > > leider hat sich bisher noch keine Gruppe gefunden, die den n?chsten > Deutschen Perl-Workshop ausrichten m?chte. Es w?re schade, wenn die > ?lteste Perl-Veranstaltung im n?chsten Jahr aussetzen m?sste. > Die YAPC::Europe in Frankfurt w?re doch eigentlich ein sch?ner Ort, um > den DPW 2013 anzuk?ndigen ;-) > > Bitte macht euch Gedanken, wer das ?bernehmen w?rde und schickt mir eine > Mail bis 31. Juli... > > Viele Gr??e, > Ren?e > _______________________________________________ > Munich-pm mailing list http://munich.pm.org/ > Munich-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/munich-pm From Gabi.Hack at integralis.com Tue Jul 17 04:00:15 2012 From: Gabi.Hack at integralis.com (Gabi Hack) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 11:00:15 +0000 Subject: [Munich-pm] 15. Deutscher Perl-Workshop -> immer noch kein Ort... In-Reply-To: <20120714140143.GF31886@thpad> References: <5001581C.7010008@renee-baecker.de>, <20120714140143.GF31886@thpad> Message-ID: <02EDE467BF4C85488F7D3E42BB6CBC1C054FFFD5@ISM-MBX2-DAGDE.ai.pri> hi all, wie immer bin ich gern bereit was zu uebernehmen wenn mir jemand sagt, was ich machen soll/muss/darf. Hab nur leider nie bei sowas mitgeholfen (ausser zeitschilder bei talks hochzuhalten) und bin voellig blauauegig. Bin zwar beruflich immer noch ziemlich eingespannt, aber ein bisschen zeit sollt sich finden :) ich faends auf jeden fall klasse, wenn in muenchen mal wieder was waere. cheers, gabi ________________________________________ From: Munich-pm [munich-pm-bounces+gabi.hack=integralis.com at pm.org] on behalf of Richard Foley [richard.foley at rfi.net] Sent: 14 July 2012 15:01 To: Ren?e B?cker Cc: hamburg.pm.org mailing list; Mailingliste der Bielefeld Perl Mongers; hannover-pm at pm.org; munich-pm at pm.org; darmstadt-pm at pm.org; cologne-pm at mail.pm.org; dresden-pm at pm.org; berlin-pm at pm.org; Stuttgart Perl Mongers Subject: Re: [Munich-pm] 15. Deutscher Perl-Workshop -> immer noch kein Ort... Gibt es m?he f?r so was im M?nchen zu machen? Jemand von MPM...? -- Ciao Richard Foley http://www.rfi.net/books.html On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 01:29:32PM +0200, Ren?e B?cker wrote: > Hallo Perlmongers, > > leider hat sich bisher noch keine Gruppe gefunden, die den n?chsten > Deutschen Perl-Workshop ausrichten m?chte. Es w?re schade, wenn die > ?lteste Perl-Veranstaltung im n?chsten Jahr aussetzen m?sste. > Die YAPC::Europe in Frankfurt w?re doch eigentlich ein sch?ner Ort, um > den DPW 2013 anzuk?ndigen ;-) > > Bitte macht euch Gedanken, wer das ?bernehmen w?rde und schickt mir eine > Mail bis 31. Juli... > > Viele Gr??e, > Ren?e > _______________________________________________ > Munich-pm mailing list http://munich.pm.org/ > Munich-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/munich-pm _______________________________________________ Munich-pm mailing list http://munich.pm.org/ Munich-pm at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/munich-pm Integralis Services GmbH Robert-B?rkle-Str. 3 85737 Ismaning Gesch?ftsf?hrer:Georg Magg, Heiner Luntz Registergericht: AG M?nchen HRB 139273 ******************************************************************************************** Please note that: 1. This e-mail may constitute privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you have received this confidential email and any attachments transmitted with it in error and you must not disclose, copy, circulate or in any other way use or rely on this information. 2. 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In-Reply-To: <02EDE467BF4C85488F7D3E42BB6CBC1C054FFFD5@ISM-MBX2-DAGDE.ai.pri> References: <5001581C.7010008@renee-baecker.de> <20120714140143.GF31886@thpad> <02EDE467BF4C85488F7D3E42BB6CBC1C054FFFD5@ISM-MBX2-DAGDE.ai.pri> Message-ID: <20120717120717.GI12736@thpad> Ich werde dabei sein, auch mit zu helfen. So komplex als beim YAPC muss es nicht sein. Und es gibt unter uns schon etwas Erfahrung. Norbert, Harold, Ich, Robin, Stephen, usw. Dann gibt es auch anderen haben an der seits mitgeholfen. Hauptsache ist einen Ort/Halle zu finden. Wir brauchen aber jemand das wird f?r den ganzen Thema richtig beantwortlich sein. Eine Junge, oder Dame (egal), aber jemand mit viele muhe w?re schon die richtige. Jemand wie Robin zbw.... ?-) -- Ciao Richard Foley http://www.rfi.net/books.html On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 11:00:15AM +0000, Gabi Hack wrote: > hi all, > > wie immer bin ich gern bereit was zu uebernehmen wenn mir jemand sagt, was ich machen soll/muss/darf. Hab nur leider nie bei sowas mitgeholfen (ausser zeitschilder bei talks hochzuhalten) und bin voellig blauauegig. > Bin zwar beruflich immer noch ziemlich eingespannt, aber ein bisschen zeit sollt sich finden :) > > ich faends auf jeden fall klasse, wenn in muenchen mal wieder was waere. > > cheers, gabi > ________________________________________ > From: Munich-pm [munich-pm-bounces+gabi.hack=integralis.com at pm.org] on behalf of Richard Foley [richard.foley at rfi.net] > Sent: 14 July 2012 15:01 > To: Ren?e B?cker > Cc: hamburg.pm.org mailing list; Mailingliste der Bielefeld Perl Mongers; hannover-pm at pm.org; munich-pm at pm.org; darmstadt-pm at pm.org; cologne-pm at mail.pm.org; dresden-pm at pm.org; berlin-pm at pm.org; Stuttgart Perl Mongers > Subject: Re: [Munich-pm] 15. Deutscher Perl-Workshop -> immer noch kein Ort... > > Gibt es m?he f?r so was im M?nchen zu machen? > > Jemand von MPM...? > > -- > Ciao > > Richard Foley > > http://www.rfi.net/books.html > > On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 01:29:32PM +0200, Ren?e B?cker wrote: > > Hallo Perlmongers, > > > > leider hat sich bisher noch keine Gruppe gefunden, die den n?chsten > > Deutschen Perl-Workshop ausrichten m?chte. Es w?re schade, wenn die > > ?lteste Perl-Veranstaltung im n?chsten Jahr aussetzen m?sste. > > Die YAPC::Europe in Frankfurt w?re doch eigentlich ein sch?ner Ort, um > > den DPW 2013 anzuk?ndigen ;-) > > > > Bitte macht euch Gedanken, wer das ?bernehmen w?rde und schickt mir eine > > Mail bis 31. Juli... > > > > Viele Gr??e, > > Ren?e > > _______________________________________________ > > Munich-pm mailing list http://munich.pm.org/ > > Munich-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/munich-pm > _______________________________________________ > Munich-pm mailing list http://munich.pm.org/ > Munich-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/munich-pm > > Integralis Services GmbH > Robert-B?rkle-Str. 3 > 85737 Ismaning > > Gesch?ftsf?hrer:Georg Magg, Heiner Luntz > Registergericht: AG M?nchen HRB 139273 > > ******************************************************************************************** > Please note that: > > 1. This e-mail may constitute privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you have received this confidential email and any attachments transmitted with it in error and you must not disclose, copy, circulate or in any other way use or rely on this information. > 2. E-mails to and from the company are monitored for operational reasons and in accordance with lawful business practices. > 3. The contents of this email are those of the individual and do not necessarily represent the views of the company. > 4. The company does not conclude contracts by email and all negotiations are subject to contract. > 5. The company accepts no responsibility once an e-mail and any attachments is sent. > > http://www.integralis.com > ******************************************************************************************** From robin at robinclarke.net Tue Jul 17 05:42:49 2012 From: robin at robinclarke.net (Robin Clarke) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 14:42:49 +0200 Subject: [Munich-pm] 15. Deutscher Perl-Workshop -> immer noch kein Ort... In-Reply-To: <20120717120717.GI12736@thpad> References: <5001581C.7010008@renee-baecker.de> <20120714140143.GF31886@thpad> <02EDE467BF4C85488F7D3E42BB6CBC1C054FFFD5@ISM-MBX2-DAGDE.ai.pri> <20120717120717.GI12736@thpad> Message-ID: <50055DC9.4000006@robinclarke.net> > Wir brauchen aber jemand das wird f?r den ganzen Thema richtig beantwortlich > sein. Eine Junge, oder Dame (egal), aber jemand mit viele muhe w?re schon die > richtige. Jemand wie Robin zbw.... Nice try! I'm afraid Robin is currently more than busy with moving to the countryside, and being harassed by the German police (more on that later). -- Best winds, -Robin- ~:) # My Github repository with mostly perl code # https://github.com/robin13 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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C'mon, you KNOW you want to do it! -- Ciao Richard Foley http://www.rfi.net/books.html On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 02:42:49PM +0200, Robin Clarke wrote: > > > Wir brauchen aber jemand das wird f?r den ganzen Thema richtig beantwortlich > > sein. Eine Junge, oder Dame (egal), aber jemand mit viele muhe w?re schon die > > richtige. Jemand wie Robin zbw.... > Nice try! I'm afraid Robin is currently more than busy with moving to > the countryside, and being harassed by the German police (more on that > later). > > -- > Best winds, > -Robin- > ~:) > > # My Github repository with mostly perl code > # https://github.com/robin13 > > > > From robin at robinclarke.net Tue Jul 17 12:20:02 2012 From: robin at robinclarke.net (Robin Clarke) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 21:20:02 +0200 Subject: [Munich-pm] Warning to long haired programmers in Munich Message-ID: <5005BAE2.8080603@robinclarke.net> Being long haired is a bulls-eye for the police in Bavaria. As is common knowledge, all the best programmers carry long hair (with some exceptions - Steve ;-P). Unfortunately it seems that travelling with long hair in Bavaria is dangerous. Please warn any programmers planning on coming to/through Munich airport to beware. Perhaps wrapping their hair in a turban and applying fake tan to their face may be a good disguise for safety these days. http://www.robinclarke.net/archives/harassment-by-munich-police -- Best winds, -Robin- ~:) # My Github repository with mostly perl code # https://github.com/robin13 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I bet they'd leave you alone for fear of a non-politically-correct and anti-jewish charge. I think they're a bit sensitive to that topic around here. ;-) ps. I'm serious! -- Ciao Richard Foley http://www.rfi.net/books.html On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 09:20:02PM +0200, Robin Clarke wrote: > Being long haired is a bulls-eye for the police in Bavaria. As is common > knowledge, all the best programmers carry long hair (with some exceptions - > Steve ;-P). Unfortunately it seems that travelling with long hair in Bavaria > is dangerous. Please warn any programmers planning on coming to/through Munich > airport to beware. Perhaps wrapping their hair in a turban and applying fake > tan to their face may be a good disguise for safety these days. > > http://www.robinclarke.net/archives/harassment-by-munich-police > > > > -- > Best winds, > -Robin- > ~:) > > # My Github repository with mostly perl code > # https://github.com/robin13 > > _______________________________________________ > Munich-pm mailing list http://munich.pm.org/ > Munich-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/munich-pm From jurgen.muck at yahoo.de Tue Jul 17 14:21:07 2012 From: jurgen.muck at yahoo.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen_M=FCck?=) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 23:21:07 +0200 Subject: [Munich-pm] Warning to long haired programmers in Munich In-Reply-To: <20120717194050.GO12736@thpad> References: <5005BAE2.8080603@robinclarke.net> <20120717194050.GO12736@thpad> Message-ID: <5005D743.70006@yahoo.de> Robin, at school I had a guy who is now for many years working at the police of Baden-Wuerttemberg. I trust him. I think he has some management job in training / education / administration, but I'm not sure about that (I met him last 6 years ago). Would it be of help if I forwarded your story and asked him how you could proceed? In a first step I would be careful, without names etc. if you prefer. Juergen Richard Foley schrieb: > Don't forget to wrap a small knife, you can always claim it's "ceremonial", in > your turban. Could come in handy when surrounded by people armed with pistols. > > Just read your link - nasty stuff. A couple of thoughts: > > I'm sure you can't have the entry removed from "on file", or I'd be *very* > surprised if you could. > > Maybe you could put one of those jewish skull-caps in your pocket. Next time > the Polizei stop you (you know they're going to), just slip it on your head. I > bet they'd leave you alone for fear of a non-politically-correct and > anti-jewish charge. I think they're a bit sensitive to that topic around here. > > ;-) > > ps. I'm serious! > From steffenolfbeyer at yahoo.com.br Wed Jul 18 00:05:39 2012 From: steffenolfbeyer at yahoo.com.br (Steffen Beyer) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 00:05:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Munich-pm] Warning to long haired programmers in Munich In-Reply-To: <5005BAE2.8080603@robinclarke.net> References: <5005BAE2.8080603@robinclarke.net> Message-ID: <1342595139.47050.YahooMailNeo@web39404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Being long haired is a bulls-eye for the police in Bavaria. > As is common knowledge, all the best programmers carry long hair > (with some exceptions - Steve ;-P).? Unfortunately it seems that travelling > with long hair in Bavaria is dangerous. > Please warn any programmers planning on coming to/through Munich airport to beware. > Perhaps wrapping their hair in a turban and applying fake tan to their face > may be a good disguise for safety these days. And then again, maybe not. They might send you off to Guantanamo right away! (The German authorities have a history in helping the US in such abductions) Cheers, Steffen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steffenolfbeyer at yahoo.com.br Wed Jul 18 00:08:01 2012 From: steffenolfbeyer at yahoo.com.br (Steffen Beyer) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 00:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Munich-pm] Warning to long haired programmers in Munich In-Reply-To: <20120717194050.GO12736@thpad> References: <5005BAE2.8080603@robinclarke.net> <20120717194050.GO12736@thpad> Message-ID: <1342595281.38285.YahooMailNeo@web39403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Maybe you could put one of those jewish skull-caps in your pocket. Next time > the Polizei stop you (you know they're going to), just slip it on your head. I > bet they'd leave you alone for fear of a non-politically-correct and > anti-jewish charge. I think they're a bit sensitive to that topic around here. >? ? ;-) > ps. I'm serious! I personally think that this is actually excellent advice! Seriously! Cheers, Steffen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From richard.foley at rfi.net Wed Jul 18 02:28:12 2012 From: richard.foley at rfi.net (Richard Foley) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 11:28:12 +0200 Subject: [Munich-pm] Warning to long haired programmers in Munich In-Reply-To: <5005BAE2.8080603@robinclarke.net> References: <5005BAE2.8080603@robinclarke.net> Message-ID: <20120718092812.GR12736@thpad> Robin, >From your posting: > The drugs officer was a man, probably going on 40, tanned wearing a t-shirt > and jeans, with an arm full of friendship bracelets. He sat diagonally on > his desk, and asked me in a friendly tone what I was doing here, addressing > me with the informal ?Du?. I looked at him, waited a couple of seconds, and > asked ?Du?!?. He was a bit perplexed, and asked if I would rather Du or Sie > (formal). I responded ?Bleiben wir bitte bei?m Sie? (let?s stay formal). > During the following conversation he kept on slipping into the informal Du, > and I had to correct him. I really don?t know what good-cop-bad-cop game he > was trying to play, but it was really childish. > It might not have been simply good-cop, bad-cop. There's another side here, and that is of the Police Officer dealing with the Suspected Criminal. So he's talking down to you on purpose. He could also be trying to be friendly, and trying to catch you out with something unexpected while you chat with an easy-going type, before locking you up, as you suspect. Either, or both, might be true. I'd lean towards the former though, as I recall when I was dealing with a Bavarian judge for being pulled up about my naked hiking, (erroneous charges eventually dismissed by the way), that the judge always said "Du" to me, even when I addressed him respectfully as "Sie". I felt at the time it was certainly a way of establishing hierarchy, but didn't think addressing the judge familiarly would gain me any brownie points... ;-) -- Ciao Richard Foley http://www.rfi.net/books.html On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 09:20:02PM +0200, Robin Clarke wrote: > Being long haired is a bulls-eye for the police in Bavaria. As is common > knowledge, all the best programmers carry long hair (with some exceptions - > Steve ;-P). Unfortunately it seems that travelling with long hair in Bavaria > is dangerous. Please warn any programmers planning on coming to/through Munich > airport to beware. Perhaps wrapping their hair in a turban and applying fake > tan to their face may be a good disguise for safety these days. > > http://www.robinclarke.net/archives/harassment-by-munich-police > > > > -- > Best winds, > -Robin- > ~:) > > # My Github repository with mostly perl code > # https://github.com/robin13 > > _______________________________________________ > Munich-pm mailing list http://munich.pm.org/ > Munich-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/munich-pm From Holger.Goebber at gmx.de Wed Jul 18 03:38:47 2012 From: Holger.Goebber at gmx.de (Holger Goebber) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 12:38:47 +0200 Subject: [Munich-pm] Fwd: Warning to long haired programmers in Munich Message-ID: <20120718103847.262840@gmx.net> The bavarian police learnt years ago that all longhaired people are pot smokers, communists and radicals. They even weed out demonstrators that way (aka all long haired guys got sent back not to attend at various events). As someone with short hair: It's good to be "safe". To freely quote Polt: Bavaria doesn't need an opposition! We are already democrats! Cheers, Holger -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Datum: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 21:20:02 +0200 Von: Robin Clarke An: Munich PM Betreff: [Munich-pm] Warning to long haired programmers in Munich Being long haired is a bulls-eye for the police in Bavaria. As is common knowledge, all the best programmers carry long hair (with some exceptions - Steve ;-P). Unfortunately it seems that travelling with long hair in Bavaria is dangerous. Please warn any programmers planning on coming to/through Munich airport to beware. Perhaps wrapping their hair in a turban and applying fake tan to their face may be a good disguise for safety these days. http://www.robinclarke.net/archives/harassment-by-munich-police -- Best winds, -Robin- ~:) # My Github repository with mostly perl code # https://github.com/robin13 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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They even weed out demonstrators that way (aka all long haired guys got sent back not to attend at various events). > > As someone with short hair: It's good to be "safe". To freely quote Polt: Bavaria doesn't need an opposition! We are already democrats! > > Cheers, > > Holger > > > > > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 21:20:02 +0200 > Von: Robin Clarke > An: Munich PM > Betreff: [Munich-pm] Warning to long haired programmers in Munich > > Being long haired is a bulls-eye for the police in Bavaria. As is > common knowledge, all the best programmers carry long hair (with some > exceptions - Steve ;-P). Unfortunately it seems that travelling with > long hair in Bavaria is dangerous. Please warn any programmers planning > on coming to/through Munich airport to beware. Perhaps wrapping their > hair in a turban and applying fake tan to their face may be a good > disguise for safety these days. > > http://www.robinclarke.net/archives/harassment-by-munich-police > > > > -- > Best winds, > -Robin- > ~:) > > # My Github repository with mostly perl code > # https://github.com/robin13 > > _______________________________________________ > Munich-pm mailing list http://munich.pm.org/ > Munich-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/munich-pm > _______________________________________________ > Munich-pm mailing list http://munich.pm.org/ > Munich-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/munich-pm From holger.goebber at gmx.de Wed Jul 18 12:34:55 2012 From: holger.goebber at gmx.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Holger_G=F6bber?=) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 21:34:55 +0200 Subject: [Munich-pm] Fwd: Warning to long haired programmers in Munich In-Reply-To: <20120718110249.GS12736@thpad> References: <20120718103847.262840@gmx.net> <20120718110249.GS12736@thpad> Message-ID: <50070FDF.2090508@gmx.de> Am 18.07.2012 13:02, schrieb Richard Foley: >> They even weed out... >> > Was that intentional ?-) > Freudian at least... ;) From mgprot at opensauce.de Tue Jul 17 13:52:50 2012 From: mgprot at opensauce.de (Stephen Riehm) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 22:52:50 +0200 Subject: [Munich-pm] Warning to long haired programmers in Munich In-Reply-To: <5005BAE2.8080603@robinclarke.net> References: <5005BAE2.8080603@robinclarke.net> Message-ID: Speechless! All I have to offer is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc (it shows some flaws in the US system - but I'm sure the guts of the message applies to germany as well - take the time to listen to the whole thing, I found the content very interesting!) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXF2cN8AMXY is also very interesting - but quite long :-( Steve On 17.07.2012, at 21:20, Robin Clarke wrote: > Being long haired is a bulls-eye for the police in Bavaria. As is > common knowledge, all the best programmers carry long hair (with > some exceptions - Steve ;-P). Unfortunately it seems that > travelling with long hair in Bavaria is dangerous. Please warn any > programmers planning on coming to/through Munich airport to beware. > Perhaps wrapping their hair in a turban and applying fake tan to > their face may be a good disguise for safety these days. > > http://www.robinclarke.net/archives/harassment-by-munich-police > > > -- > Best winds, > -Robin- > ~:) > > # My Github repository with mostly perl code > # https://github.com/robin13 > _______________________________________________ > Munich-pm mailing list http://munich.pm.org/ > Munich-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/munich-pm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Harald.Joerg at arcor.de Wed Jul 18 17:47:16 2012 From: Harald.Joerg at arcor.de (Harald =?utf-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg?=) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 02:47:16 +0200 Subject: [Munich-pm] Warning to long haired programmers in Munich In-Reply-To: <5005BAE2.8080603@robinclarke.net> (Robin Clarke's message of "Tue, 17 Jul 2012 21:20:02 +0200") References: <5005BAE2.8080603@robinclarke.net> Message-ID: <87d33s4lwr.fsf@arcor.de> Robin Clarke writes: > Being long haired is a bulls-eye for the police in Bavaria. As is common > knowledge, all the best programmers carry long hair (with some exceptions - > Steve ;-P). Unfortunately it seems that travelling with long hair in Bavaria > is dangerous. Please warn any programmers planning on coming to/through Munich > airport to beware. Perhaps wrapping their hair in a turban and applying fake > tan to their face may be a good disguise for safety these days. > > http://www.robinclarke.net/archives/harassment-by-munich-police This is a scary, sad story. I'm sorry to hear that. I'm travelling quite a lot these days, and occasionally per plane, and I can't claim that I am short haired right now. So far I've been lucky. So, thanks for the warning. On the other hand, I'd prefer not to use a turban (and I'll definitely not carry a skull cap). Guys, if you really think this is good advice then you urgently need to reduce your TV consumption. This isn't a sitcom. Anyway: I just decided that I'm not going to have a haircut. I don't want to jeopardize my coding skills (or to change my style of life) because policemen make mistakes. -- No cheers today, haj From richard.foley at rfi.net Thu Jul 19 02:22:05 2012 From: richard.foley at rfi.net (Richard Foley) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:22:05 +0200 Subject: [Munich-pm] 15. Deutscher Perl-Workshop -> immer noch kein Ort... In-Reply-To: <02EDE467BF4C85488F7D3E42BB6CBC1C054FFFD5@ISM-MBX2-DAGDE.ai.pri> References: <5001581C.7010008@renee-baecker.de> <20120714140143.GF31886@thpad> <02EDE467BF4C85488F7D3E42BB6CBC1C054FFFD5@ISM-MBX2-DAGDE.ai.pri> Message-ID: <20120719092157.GW12736@thpad> There were rumours of MPM wanting to host a YAPC in sunny M?nchen. However, if the prospect of hosting a DPW here is so daunting, I suggest perhaps passing on the more major event also. That's sad, because I think it would be fun to help organize a Perl event in Munich again. As I said, I'd be prepared to help, but given that a) I don't live IN Munich, and b) I might be moving to the UK soon, I think it would be rash of me to take on the responsibility myself. So unless someone else actually wants to do it, and could use assistance from the several of us with some experience of this kind of thing, perhaps we should pass. Sadly. However, just in case anyone misunderstands what I'm saying here, I'd like to clarify that I think it would be a GREAT idea to do a DPW in MUC. > ich faends auf jeden fall klasse, wenn in muenchen mal wieder was waere. > Ich auch! -- Ciao Richard Foley http://www.rfi.net/books.html On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 11:00:15AM +0000, Gabi Hack wrote: > hi all, > > wie immer bin ich gern bereit was zu uebernehmen wenn mir jemand sagt, was > ich machen soll/muss/darf. Hab nur leider nie bei sowas mitgeholfen (ausser > zeitschilder bei talks hochzuhalten) und bin voellig blauauegig. Bin zwar > beruflich immer noch ziemlich eingespannt, aber ein bisschen zeit sollt sich > finden :) > > ich faends auf jeden fall klasse, wenn in muenchen mal wieder was waere. > > cheers, gabi ________________________________________ From: Munich-pm > [munich-pm-bounces+gabi.hack=integralis.com at pm.org] on behalf of Richard > Foley [richard.foley at rfi.net] Sent: 14 July 2012 15:01 To: Ren?e B?cker Cc: > hamburg.pm.org mailing list; Mailingliste der Bielefeld Perl Mongers; > hannover-pm at pm.org; munich-pm at pm.org; darmstadt-pm at pm.org; > cologne-pm at mail.pm.org; dresden-pm at pm.org; berlin-pm at pm.org; Stuttgart Perl > Mongers Subject: Re: [Munich-pm] 15. Deutscher Perl-Workshop -> immer noch > kein Ort... > > Gibt es m?he f?r so was im M?nchen zu machen? > > Jemand von MPM...? > > -- Ciao > > Richard Foley > > http://www.rfi.net/books.html > > On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 01:29:32PM +0200, Ren?e B?cker wrote: > > Hallo Perlmongers, > > > > leider hat sich bisher noch keine Gruppe gefunden, die den n?chsten > > Deutschen Perl-Workshop ausrichten m?chte. Es w?re schade, wenn die ?lteste > > Perl-Veranstaltung im n?chsten Jahr aussetzen m?sste. Die YAPC::Europe in > > Frankfurt w?re doch eigentlich ein sch?ner Ort, um den DPW 2013 > > anzuk?ndigen ;-) > > > > Bitte macht euch Gedanken, wer das ?bernehmen w?rde und schickt mir eine > > Mail bis 31. Juli... > > > > Viele Gr??e, Ren?e _______________________________________________ > > Munich-pm mailing list http://munich.pm.org/ Munich-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/munich-pm > _______________________________________________ Munich-pm mailing list > http://munich.pm.org/ Munich-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/munich-pm > > Integralis Services GmbH Robert-B?rkle-Str. 3 85737 Ismaning > > Gesch?ftsf?hrer:Georg Magg, Heiner Luntz Registergericht: AG M?nchen HRB > 139273 > > ******************************************************************************************** > Please note that: > > 1. This e-mail may constitute privileged information. If you are not the > intended recipient, you have received this confidential email and any > attachments transmitted with it in error and you must not disclose, copy, > circulate or in any other way use or rely on this information. 2. E-mails to > and from the company are monitored for operational reasons and in accordance > with lawful business practices. 3. The contents of this email are those of > the individual and do not necessarily represent the views of the company. 4. > The company does not conclude contracts by email and all negotiations are > subject to contract. 5. The company accepts no responsibility once an e-mail > and any attachments is sent. > > http://www.integralis.com > ******************************************************************************************** From marek.rouchal at gmx.net Thu Jul 19 01:15:19 2012 From: marek.rouchal at gmx.net (Marek Rouchal) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 10:15:19 +0200 Subject: [Munich-pm] Warning to long haired programmers in Munich Message-ID: <20120719081519.148110@gmx.net> Dear all, I fully agree with haj... this is sad and disturbing. I talked yesterday to a police officer, close to his retirement, we're playing volleyball every Wed evening. I confronted him with an outline of this story, and he said that there must have been some particular suspicious thing (_beyond_ the hair style) which triggered them, and he insisted that otherwise the officers wouldn't dare to (fearing disciplinary consequences) follow the procedure you described. I am not able to judge whether this is true or just defending the reputation of colleagues. But another friend has raised the following hypothesis, which to me looks also rather scary: maybe some enemy has given the police some "hint", and once they checked the driver's license and there was a "match" on your name, the whole thing started... If no one has done the translation yet... I am working on it... All the best, Marek From richard.foley at rfi.net Thu Jul 19 18:25:12 2012 From: richard.foley at rfi.net (Richard Foley) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 03:25:12 +0200 Subject: [Munich-pm] Warning to long haired programmers in Munich In-Reply-To: <20120719081519.148110@gmx.net> References: <20120719081519.148110@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20120720012512.GI12736@thpad> Hey Marek, I don't think anyone is saying ALL Bavarian police would behave like this. But you can't seriously suggest that some wouldn't. I see all the time at the Hauptbahnhof the Polizei demanding to see the ID of groups of young Turks, scruffy teenagers and the like. The precise same thing happens at the Weiher in Erding, for instance. It's not a matter of "some particular suspicious thing", besides looking at some scruffy oiks, (like Robin ;-), and deciding to give them a hard time. Along the lines of "we don't like your sort around here!" This happens everywhere, not just in Munich. -- Ciao Richard Foley http://www.rfi.net/books.html On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:15:19AM +0200, Marek Rouchal wrote: > Dear all, > > I fully agree with haj... this is sad and disturbing. I talked yesterday to a > police officer, close to his retirement, we're playing volleyball every Wed > evening. I confronted him with an outline of this story, and he said that > there must have been some particular suspicious thing (_beyond_ the hair > style) which triggered them, and he insisted that otherwise the officers > wouldn't dare to (fearing disciplinary consequences) follow the procedure you > described. I am not able to judge whether this is true or just defending the > reputation of colleagues. But another friend has raised the following > hypothesis, which to me looks also rather scary: maybe some enemy has given > the police some "hint", and once they checked the driver's license and there > was a "match" on your name, the whole thing started... > > If no one has done the translation yet... I am working on it... > > All the best, > > Marek _______________________________________________ Munich-pm mailing list > http://munich.pm.org/ Munich-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/munich-pm From Holger.Goebber at gmx.de Fri Jul 20 00:54:04 2012 From: Holger.Goebber at gmx.de (Holger Goebber) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:54:04 +0200 Subject: [Munich-pm] Warning to long haired programmers in Munich In-Reply-To: <20120720012512.GI12736@thpad> References: <20120719081519.148110@gmx.net> <20120720012512.GI12736@thpad> Message-ID: <20120720075404.58350@gmx.net> One shouldn't really overthink this. Robin should check what legal ways he has to secure that he doesn't get pestered by these guys again and check if they painted some kind of bullseye on them. Otherwise it's simply the case that bavaria is a rather conservative German state (40+ years with the same government party and counting ) and its government prides itself on being "tough on crime". Sadly they are mainly tough on petty crime like smoking weed, possession etc. and being right wing they are more worried about left wing radicals. I know a number of people who got royally screwed because of possession and I mean for life (the tests you have to do when you get your license revoked for drug possession are a circus). Hopefully this indeed more the case of weird coincidence and some cops interpreting their standing orders as charte blanche to be dicks. Cheers, Holger -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 03:25:12 +0200 > Von: Richard Foley > An: Marek Rouchal > CC: Munich PM , Robin Clarke > Betreff: Re: [Munich-pm] Warning to long haired programmers in Munich > Hey Marek, > > I don't think anyone is saying ALL Bavarian police would behave like this. > But > you can't seriously suggest that some wouldn't. I see all the time at the > Hauptbahnhof the Polizei demanding to see the ID of groups of young Turks, > scruffy teenagers and the like. The precise same thing happens at the > Weiher in > Erding, for instance. It's not a matter of "some particular suspicious > thing", > besides looking at some scruffy oiks, (like Robin ;-), and deciding to > give > them a hard time. Along the lines of "we don't like your sort around > here!" > > This happens everywhere, not just in Munich. > > -- > Ciao > > Richard Foley > > http://www.rfi.net/books.html > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:15:19AM +0200, Marek Rouchal wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > I fully agree with haj... this is sad and disturbing. I talked yesterday > to a > > police officer, close to his retirement, we're playing volleyball every > Wed > > evening. I confronted him with an outline of this story, and he said > that > > there must have been some particular suspicious thing (_beyond_ the hair > > style) which triggered them, and he insisted that otherwise the officers > > wouldn't dare to (fearing disciplinary consequences) follow the > procedure you > > described. I am not able to judge whether this is true or just defending > the > > reputation of colleagues. But another friend has raised the following > > hypothesis, which to me looks also rather scary: maybe some enemy has > given > > the police some "hint", and once they checked the driver's license and > there > > was a "match" on your name, the whole thing started... > > > > If no one has done the translation yet... I am working on it... > > > > All the best, > > > > Marek _______________________________________________ Munich-pm mailing > list > > http://munich.pm.org/ Munich-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/munich-pm > _______________________________________________ > Munich-pm mailing list http://munich.pm.org/ > Munich-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/munich-pm From Gabi.Hack at integralis.com Fri Jul 20 02:12:45 2012 From: Gabi.Hack at integralis.com (Gabi Hack) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:12:45 +0000 Subject: [Munich-pm] Warning to long haired programmers in Munich In-Reply-To: <20120719081519.148110@gmx.net> References: <20120719081519.148110@gmx.net> Message-ID: <02EDE467BF4C85488F7D3E42BB6CBC1C0550089C@ISM-MBX2-DAGDE.ai.pri> hi marek, that's of course the official version and no police office would tell a sports buddy anything else... they do have their trigger points like long hairs, dark skinned, clothes etc and they actually behave like they want when you are alone and no other witnesses than other police are around. that's business as usual with at least the bavarian police. and police assaults like in Rosenheim and other cities i can sadly imagine very well giving you still another scenario. you don't need someone giving them hints. they got stuff like dragnets for decades now. it happened to me in my twenties that they knocked at my door in the morning at 7 am. if i wouldn't have opened they would have broken up the door due to "gefahr in verzug" (immediate danger may linger around). they stormed in with 4 people (in a 32 sqm studio!) and searched my whole flat thoroughly. afterwards it looked like a bomb exploded in it. it came up, that a friend of a friend of mine was suspected to be a participant of a break-in and they bugged his phone, the phones of all people he talked to and even the phones of all people they talked to for weeks. and i had a drunken phone chat with this friend in the evening before ranting about some stuff. they found nothing in the end, but hey, i could have been, couldn't it? big brother has been true for a long time now :( cheers, Gabi ________________________________________ From: Munich-pm [munich-pm-bounces+gabi.hack=integralis.com at pm.org] on behalf of Marek Rouchal [marek.rouchal at gmx.net] Sent: 19 July 2012 09:15 To: Robin Clarke; Munich PM Subject: Re: [Munich-pm] Warning to long haired programmers in Munich Dear all, I fully agree with haj... this is sad and disturbing. I talked yesterday to a police officer, close to his retirement, we're playing volleyball every Wed evening. I confronted him with an outline of this story, and he said that there must have been some particular suspicious thing (_beyond_ the hair style) which triggered them, and he insisted that otherwise the officers wouldn't dare to (fearing disciplinary consequences) follow the procedure you described. I am not able to judge whether this is true or just defending the reputation of colleagues. But another friend has raised the following hypothesis, which to me looks also rather scary: maybe some enemy has given the police some "hint", and once they checked the driver's license and there was a "match" on your name, the whole thing started... If no one has done the translation yet... I am working on it... All the best, Marek _______________________________________________ Munich-pm mailing list http://munich.pm.org/ Munich-pm at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/munich-pm Integralis Services GmbH Robert-B?rkle-Str. 3 85737 Ismaning Gesch?ftsf?hrer:Georg Magg, Heiner Luntz Registergericht: AG M?nchen HRB 139273 ******************************************************************************************** Please note that: 1. This e-mail may constitute privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you have received this confidential email and any attachments transmitted with it in error and you must not disclose, copy, circulate or in any other way use or rely on this information. 2. E-mails to and from the company are monitored for operational reasons and in accordance with lawful business practices. 3. The contents of this email are those of the individual and do not necessarily represent the views of the company. 4. The company does not conclude contracts by email and all negotiations are subject to contract. 5. The company accepts no responsibility once an e-mail and any attachments is sent. http://www.integralis.com ******************************************************************************************** From richard.foley at rfi.net Fri Jul 20 02:41:25 2012 From: richard.foley at rfi.net (Richard Foley) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:41:25 +0200 Subject: [Munich-pm] Warning to long haired programmers in Munich In-Reply-To: <02EDE467BF4C85488F7D3E42BB6CBC1C0550089C@ISM-MBX2-DAGDE.ai.pri> References: <20120719081519.148110@gmx.net> <02EDE467BF4C85488F7D3E42BB6CBC1C0550089C@ISM-MBX2-DAGDE.ai.pri> Message-ID: <20120720094125.GX12736@thpad> At least Germany doesn't have the same number of CCTV cameras that are the "norm" in the UK. Pros and cons, everywhere... -- Ciao Richard Foley http://www.rfi.net/books.html On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 09:12:45AM +0000, Gabi Hack wrote: > hi marek, > > that's of course the official version and no police office would tell a sports buddy anything else... > > they do have their trigger points like long hairs, dark skinned, clothes etc and they actually behave like they want when you are alone and no other witnesses than other police are around. > > that's business as usual with at least the bavarian police. and police assaults like in Rosenheim and other cities i can sadly imagine very well > > giving you still another scenario. you don't need someone giving them hints. they got stuff like dragnets for decades now. > it happened to me in my twenties that they knocked at my door in the morning at 7 am. if i wouldn't have opened they would have broken up the door due to "gefahr in verzug" (immediate danger may linger around). they stormed in with 4 people (in a 32 sqm studio!) and searched my whole flat thoroughly. afterwards it looked like a bomb exploded in it. > it came up, that a friend of a friend of mine was suspected to be a participant of a break-in and they bugged his phone, the phones of all people he talked to and even the phones of all people they talked to for weeks. and i had a drunken phone chat with this friend in the evening before ranting about some stuff. they found nothing in the end, but hey, i could have been, couldn't it? > > big brother has been true for a long time now :( > > cheers, Gabi > > ________________________________________ > From: Munich-pm [munich-pm-bounces+gabi.hack=integralis.com at pm.org] on behalf of Marek Rouchal [marek.rouchal at gmx.net] > Sent: 19 July 2012 09:15 > To: Robin Clarke; Munich PM > Subject: Re: [Munich-pm] Warning to long haired programmers in Munich > > Dear all, > > I fully agree with haj... this is sad and disturbing. I talked yesterday to a police officer, close to his retirement, we're playing volleyball every Wed evening. I confronted him with an outline of this story, and he said that there must have been some particular suspicious thing (_beyond_ the hair style) which triggered them, and he insisted that otherwise the officers wouldn't dare to (fearing disciplinary consequences) follow the procedure you described. I am not able to judge whether this is true or just defending the reputation of colleagues. But another friend has raised the following hypothesis, which to me looks also rather scary: maybe some enemy has given the police some "hint", and once they checked the driver's license and there was a "match" on your name, the whole thing started... > > If no one has done the translation yet... I am working on it... > > All the best, > > Marek > _______________________________________________ > Munich-pm mailing list http://munich.pm.org/ > Munich-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/munich-pm > > Integralis Services GmbH > Robert-B?rkle-Str. 3 > 85737 Ismaning > > Gesch?ftsf?hrer:Georg Magg, Heiner Luntz > Registergericht: AG M?nchen HRB 139273 > > ******************************************************************************************** > Please note that: > > 1. This e-mail may constitute privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you have received this confidential email and any attachments transmitted with it in error and you must not disclose, copy, circulate or in any other way use or rely on this information. > 2. E-mails to and from the company are monitored for operational reasons and in accordance with lawful business practices. > 3. The contents of this email are those of the individual and do not necessarily represent the views of the company. > 4. The company does not conclude contracts by email and all negotiations are subject to contract. > 5. The company accepts no responsibility once an e-mail and any attachments is sent. > > http://www.integralis.com > ******************************************************************************************** > _______________________________________________ > Munich-pm mailing list http://munich.pm.org/ > Munich-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/munich-pm From Gabi.Hack at integralis.com Fri Jul 20 02:43:57 2012 From: Gabi.Hack at integralis.com (Gabi Hack) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:43:57 +0000 Subject: [Munich-pm] Warning to long haired programmers in Munich In-Reply-To: <20120720094125.GX12736@thpad> References: <20120719081519.148110@gmx.net> <02EDE467BF4C85488F7D3E42BB6CBC1C0550089C@ISM-MBX2-DAGDE.ai.pri>, <20120720094125.GX12736@thpad> Message-ID: <02EDE467BF4C85488F7D3E42BB6CBC1C0550091F@ISM-MBX2-DAGDE.ai.pri> well, as chaotic as the UK appears to me at the moment, i doubt they know how to use it at all but it is a huge thread, if a group of people gain power and are organized, of course ;( ________________________________________ From: Richard Foley [richard.foley at rfi.net] Sent: 20 July 2012 10:41 To: Gabi Hack Cc: Marek Rouchal; Robin Clarke; Munich PM Subject: Re: [Munich-pm] Warning to long haired programmers in Munich At least Germany doesn't have the same number of CCTV cameras that are the "norm" in the UK. Pros and cons, everywhere... -- Ciao Richard Foley http://www.rfi.net/books.html On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 09:12:45AM +0000, Gabi Hack wrote: > hi marek, > > that's of course the official version and no police office would tell a sports buddy anything else... > > they do have their trigger points like long hairs, dark skinned, clothes etc and they actually behave like they want when you are alone and no other witnesses than other police are around. > > that's business as usual with at least the bavarian police. and police assaults like in Rosenheim and other cities i can sadly imagine very well > > giving you still another scenario. you don't need someone giving them hints. they got stuff like dragnets for decades now. > it happened to me in my twenties that they knocked at my door in the morning at 7 am. if i wouldn't have opened they would have broken up the door due to "gefahr in verzug" (immediate danger may linger around). they stormed in with 4 people (in a 32 sqm studio!) and searched my whole flat thoroughly. afterwards it looked like a bomb exploded in it. > it came up, that a friend of a friend of mine was suspected to be a participant of a break-in and they bugged his phone, the phones of all people he talked to and even the phones of all people they talked to for weeks. and i had a drunken phone chat with this friend in the evening before ranting about some stuff. they found nothing in the end, but hey, i could have been, couldn't it? > > big brother has been true for a long time now :( > > cheers, Gabi > > ________________________________________ > From: Munich-pm [munich-pm-bounces+gabi.hack=integralis.com at pm.org] on behalf of Marek Rouchal [marek.rouchal at gmx.net] > Sent: 19 July 2012 09:15 > To: Robin Clarke; Munich PM > Subject: Re: [Munich-pm] Warning to long haired programmers in Munich > > Dear all, > > I fully agree with haj... this is sad and disturbing. I talked yesterday to a police officer, close to his retirement, we're playing volleyball every Wed evening. I confronted him with an outline of this story, and he said that there must have been some particular suspicious thing (_beyond_ the hair style) which triggered them, and he insisted that otherwise the officers wouldn't dare to (fearing disciplinary consequences) follow the procedure you described. I am not able to judge whether this is true or just defending the reputation of colleagues. But another friend has raised the following hypothesis, which to me looks also rather scary: maybe some enemy has given the police some "hint", and once they checked the driver's license and there was a "match" on your name, the whole thing started... > > If no one has done the translation yet... I am working on it... > > All the best, > > Marek > _______________________________________________ > Munich-pm mailing list http://munich.pm.org/ > Munich-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/munich-pm > > Integralis Services GmbH > Robert-B?rkle-Str. 3 > 85737 Ismaning > > Gesch?ftsf?hrer:Georg Magg, Heiner Luntz > Registergericht: AG M?nchen HRB 139273 > > ******************************************************************************************** > Please note that: > > 1. This e-mail may constitute privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you have received this confidential email and any attachments transmitted with it in error and you must not disclose, copy, circulate or in any other way use or rely on this information. > 2. E-mails to and from the company are monitored for operational reasons and in accordance with lawful business practices. > 3. 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The company accepts no responsibility once an e-mail and any attachments is sent. http://www.integralis.com ******************************************************************************************** From Gabi.Hack at integralis.com Fri Jul 20 02:45:10 2012 From: Gabi.Hack at integralis.com (Gabi Hack) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:45:10 +0000 Subject: [Munich-pm] Warning to long haired programmers in Munich In-Reply-To: <02EDE467BF4C85488F7D3E42BB6CBC1C0550091F@ISM-MBX2-DAGDE.ai.pri> References: <20120719081519.148110@gmx.net> <02EDE467BF4C85488F7D3E42BB6CBC1C0550089C@ISM-MBX2-DAGDE.ai.pri>, <20120720094125.GX12736@thpad>, <02EDE467BF4C85488F7D3E42BB6CBC1C0550091F@ISM-MBX2-DAGDE.ai.pri> Message-ID: <02EDE467BF4C85488F7D3E42BB6CBC1C05500943@ISM-MBX2-DAGDE.ai.pri> threat even ________________________________________ From: Munich-pm [munich-pm-bounces+gabi.hack=integralis.com at pm.org] on behalf of Gabi Hack [Gabi.Hack at integralis.com] Sent: 20 July 2012 10:43 To: Richard Foley Cc: Marek Rouchal; Munich PM; Robin Clarke Subject: Re: [Munich-pm] Warning to long haired programmers in Munich well, as chaotic as the UK appears to me at the moment, i doubt they know how to use it at all but it is a huge thread, if a group of people gain power and are organized, of course ;( ________________________________________ From: Richard Foley [richard.foley at rfi.net] Sent: 20 July 2012 10:41 To: Gabi Hack Cc: Marek Rouchal; Robin Clarke; Munich PM Subject: Re: [Munich-pm] Warning to long haired programmers in Munich At least Germany doesn't have the same number of CCTV cameras that are the "norm" in the UK. Pros and cons, everywhere... -- Ciao Richard Foley http://www.rfi.net/books.html On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 09:12:45AM +0000, Gabi Hack wrote: > hi marek, > > that's of course the official version and no police office would tell a sports buddy anything else... > > they do have their trigger points like long hairs, dark skinned, clothes etc and they actually behave like they want when you are alone and no other witnesses than other police are around. > > that's business as usual with at least the bavarian police. and police assaults like in Rosenheim and other cities i can sadly imagine very well > > giving you still another scenario. you don't need someone giving them hints. they got stuff like dragnets for decades now. > it happened to me in my twenties that they knocked at my door in the morning at 7 am. if i wouldn't have opened they would have broken up the door due to "gefahr in verzug" (immediate danger may linger around). they stormed in with 4 people (in a 32 sqm studio!) and searched my whole flat thoroughly. afterwards it looked like a bomb exploded in it. > it came up, that a friend of a friend of mine was suspected to be a participant of a break-in and they bugged his phone, the phones of all people he talked to and even the phones of all people they talked to for weeks. and i had a drunken phone chat with this friend in the evening before ranting about some stuff. they found nothing in the end, but hey, i could have been, couldn't it? > > big brother has been true for a long time now :( > > cheers, Gabi > > ________________________________________ > From: Munich-pm [munich-pm-bounces+gabi.hack=integralis.com at pm.org] on behalf of Marek Rouchal [marek.rouchal at gmx.net] > Sent: 19 July 2012 09:15 > To: Robin Clarke; Munich PM > Subject: Re: [Munich-pm] Warning to long haired programmers in Munich > > Dear all, > > I fully agree with haj... this is sad and disturbing. I talked yesterday to a police officer, close to his retirement, we're playing volleyball every Wed evening. I confronted him with an outline of this story, and he said that there must have been some particular suspicious thing (_beyond_ the hair style) which triggered them, and he insisted that otherwise the officers wouldn't dare to (fearing disciplinary consequences) follow the procedure you described. I am not able to judge whether this is true or just defending the reputation of colleagues. But another friend has raised the following hypothesis, which to me looks also rather scary: maybe some enemy has given the police some "hint", and once they checked the driver's license and there was a "match" on your name, the whole thing started... > > If no one has done the translation yet... I am working on it... > > All the best, > > Marek > _______________________________________________ > Munich-pm mailing list http://munich.pm.org/ > Munich-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/munich-pm > > Integralis Services GmbH > Robert-B?rkle-Str. 3 > 85737 Ismaning > > Gesch?ftsf?hrer:Georg Magg, Heiner Luntz > Registergericht: AG M?nchen HRB 139273 > > ******************************************************************************************** > Please note that: > > 1. This e-mail may constitute privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you have received this confidential email and any attachments transmitted with it in error and you must not disclose, copy, circulate or in any other way use or rely on this information. > 2. E-mails to and from the company are monitored for operational reasons and in accordance with lawful business practices. > 3. 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