From autarch at urth.org  Wed Apr 13 19:19:18 2011
From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 21:19:18 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] YAPC 2012 in Minneapolis?
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1104132111560.9085@urth.org>

Hi, MPMers,

Leonard and I have been talking about putting in a bid for YAPC 2012 in 
Minneapolis. We've done some preliminary work on it, and actually have the 
McNamara Center (site of Frozen Perl) reserved for a week in the summer of 
2012.

We need to decide if we want to go ahead on the bid soon. The due date is 
June 1, which gives us about 6 weeks.

Leonard has told me he's willing to help, but he doesn't want to be in 
charge. I'm willing to consider being in charge, but I don't want to do it 
with just two people ;)

So ... do you want to help plan YAPC 2012? If so, please let us know. 
There's a variety of tasks to be done:

* Advertising
* Sponsorship coordination
* Logistics planning
* Website design and management (posting news, putting useful info up, 
etc.)
* Talk selection committee and scheduling
* Coordinating with select high profile speakers (Larry, Damian, etc)
* Social event planning
* Food planning (although I probably want to work on this myself)
* Making sure wireless will work
* Working with hotels on group rates
* A million things I'm not remembering

If we can assemble a decent committee willing to commit to working on this 
for the next year, I think I'm probably sucker enough to take the lead.

Of course, if there's someone else who wants to take the lead (I'm looking 
at you, Frozen Perl planners), I'm totally cool with that too ;)


-dave

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From chris at prather.org  Wed Apr 13 19:43:02 2011
From: chris at prather.org (Chris Prather)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 22:43:02 -0400
Subject: [Mpls-pm] YAPC 2012 in Minneapolis?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1104132111560.9085@urth.org>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1104132111560.9085@urth.org>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimp1nrnHKXJgzTwNei8oUctBHX0kg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 10:19 PM, Dave Rolsky <autarch at urth.org> wrote:
> * A million things I'm not remembering

* Coordinating training.
* Recruiting volunteers.
* Organizing SWAG (lanyards, t-shirts, nametags)
* ...

-Chris

From mrallen1 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 13 22:56:49 2011
From: mrallen1 at yahoo.com (Mark Allen)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 00:56:49 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] YAPC 2012 in Minneapolis?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1104132111560.9085@urth.org>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1104132111560.9085@urth.org>
Message-ID: <1F0A64E7-6CCA-4799-9EB7-C145EA2B70D0@yahoo.com>

I definitely want to help.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 13, 2011, at 9:19 PM, Dave Rolsky <autarch at urth.org> wrote:

> Hi, MPMers,
> 
> Leonard and I have been talking about putting in a bid for YAPC 2012 in Minneapolis. We've done some preliminary work on it, and actually have the McNamara Center (site of Frozen Perl) reserved for a week in the summer of 2012.
> 
> We need to decide if we want to go ahead on the bid soon. The due date is June 1, which gives us about 6 weeks.
> 
> Leonard has told me he's willing to help, but he doesn't want to be in charge. I'm willing to consider being in charge, but I don't want to do it with just two people ;)
> 
> So ... do you want to help plan YAPC 2012? If so, please let us know. There's a variety of tasks to be done:
> 
> * Advertising
> * Sponsorship coordination
> * Logistics planning
> * Website design and management (posting news, putting useful info up, etc.)
> * Talk selection committee and scheduling
> * Coordinating with select high profile speakers (Larry, Damian, etc)
> * Social event planning
> * Food planning (although I probably want to work on this myself)
> * Making sure wireless will work
> * Working with hotels on group rates
> * A million things I'm not remembering
> 
> If we can assemble a decent committee willing to commit to working on this for the next year, I think I'm probably sucker enough to take the lead.
> 
> Of course, if there's someone else who wants to take the lead (I'm looking at you, Frozen Perl planners), I'm totally cool with that too ;)
> 
> 
> -dave
> 
> /*============================================================
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> ============================================================*/
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From cpj1 at visi.com  Thu Apr 14 04:48:31 2011
From: cpj1 at visi.com (Chris)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 06:48:31 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] YAPC 2012 in Minneapolis?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1104132111560.9085@urth.org>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1104132111560.9085@urth.org>
Message-ID: <BC05A7A9-DEB0-45CF-99C6-91819C28B01D@visi.com>


You will also need to prepare a budget, and get cost estimates of all services and materials.  Is Mpls-PM officially registered as a non-profit?  That will go a long way towards the bidding process.


--
Chris


On Apr 13, 2011, at 9:19 PM, Dave Rolsky wrote:

> Hi, MPMers,
> 
> Leonard and I have been talking about putting in a bid for YAPC 2012 in Minneapolis. We've done some preliminary work on it, and actually have the McNamara Center (site of Frozen Perl) reserved for a week in the summer of 2012.
> 
> We need to decide if we want to go ahead on the bid soon. The due date is June 1, which gives us about 6 weeks.
> 
> Leonard has told me he's willing to help, but he doesn't want to be in charge. I'm willing to consider being in charge, but I don't want to do it with just two people ;)
> 
> So ... do you want to help plan YAPC 2012? If so, please let us know. There's a variety of tasks to be done:
> 
> * Advertising
> * Sponsorship coordination
> * Logistics planning
> * Website design and management (posting news, putting useful info up, etc.)
> * Talk selection committee and scheduling
> * Coordinating with select high profile speakers (Larry, Damian, etc)
> * Social event planning
> * Food planning (although I probably want to work on this myself)
> * Making sure wireless will work
> * Working with hotels on group rates
> * A million things I'm not remembering
> 
> If we can assemble a decent committee willing to commit to working on this for the next year, I think I'm probably sucker enough to take the lead.
> 
> Of course, if there's someone else who wants to take the lead (I'm looking at you, Frozen Perl planners), I'm totally cool with that too ;)
> 
> 
> -dave
> 
> /*============================================================
> http://VegGuide.org               http://blog.urth.org
> Your guide to all that's veg      House Absolute(ly Pointless)
> ============================================================*/
> _______________________________________________
> Mpls-pm mailing list
> Mpls-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls-pm
> 


From chris at prather.org  Thu Apr 14 06:25:02 2011
From: chris at prather.org (Chris Prather)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 09:25:02 -0400
Subject: [Mpls-pm] YAPC 2012 in Minneapolis?
In-Reply-To: <BC05A7A9-DEB0-45CF-99C6-91819C28B01D@visi.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1104132111560.9085@urth.org>
	<BC05A7A9-DEB0-45CF-99C6-91819C28B01D@visi.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=sow_Td8grFBc1C_2iuZK4k6QtZQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 7:48 AM, Chris <cpj1 at visi.com> wrote:
>
> You will also need to prepare a budget, and get cost estimates of all services and materials. ?Is Mpls-PM officially registered as a non-profit? ?That will go a long way towards the bidding process.

Being a non-profit isn't necessary[1] since the actual contracts have
to be signed by the TPF themselves for some insurance purposes. The
bid for a YAPC is very very similar to the bid for Frozen Perl[2],
except more so because the TPF puts themselves on the line for
cost-overruns.

-Chris

[1]: I know for a fact this year's organizers are not a non-profit,
and I am reasonably sure last years were not either.
[2]: The bid for this year's YAPC was based on the 2007 bid for Frozen
Perl in structure, with extra information added in based on the 2010
and 2009 bids.

From autarch at urth.org  Thu Apr 14 07:00:27 2011
From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 09:00:27 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] YAPC 2012 in Minneapolis?
In-Reply-To: <BC05A7A9-DEB0-45CF-99C6-91819C28B01D@visi.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1104132111560.9085@urth.org>
	<BC05A7A9-DEB0-45CF-99C6-91819C28B01D@visi.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1104140859200.9085@urth.org>

On Thu, 14 Apr 2011, Chris wrote:

> You will also need to prepare a budget, and get cost estimates of all 
> services and materials.  Is Mpls-PM officially registered as a 
> non-profit?  That will go a long way towards the bidding process.

TPF is a 501c3, and they're the real org behind YAPC, so their nonprofit 
status applies to all purchases and such.


-dave

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Your guide to all that's veg      House Absolute(ly Pointless)
============================================================*/

From cpj1 at visi.com  Thu Apr 14 07:11:04 2011
From: cpj1 at visi.com (Chris)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 09:11:04 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] YAPC 2012 in Minneapolis?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1104140859200.9085@urth.org>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1104132111560.9085@urth.org>
	<BC05A7A9-DEB0-45CF-99C6-91819C28B01D@visi.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.1104140859200.9085@urth.org>
Message-ID: <E89F487F-CE67-493A-BFBE-6F97B35E997C@visi.com>

If that's the case, then the job just became at least 30% easier.

--
Chris J

On Apr 14, 2011, at 9:00 AM, Dave Rolsky <autarch at urth.org> wrote:

> 
> TPF is a 501c3, and they're the real org behind YAPC, so their nonprofit status applies to all purchases and such.
> 
> 
> -dave
> 
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From matt at omega.org  Thu Apr 14 15:07:19 2011
From: matt at omega.org (Matthew Johnson)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 17:07:19 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] YAPC 2012 in Minneapolis?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1104132111560.9085@urth.org>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1104132111560.9085@urth.org>
Message-ID: <E7B7F29E-EE43-4510-AFAA-5982544A13EC@omega.org>

I can help stand by the door.

On Apr 13, 2011, at 4/13  9:19 PM, Dave Rolsky wrote:

> Hi, MPMers,
> 
> Leonard and I have been talking about putting in a bid for YAPC 2012 in Minneapolis. We've done some preliminary work on it, and actually have the McNamara Center (site of Frozen Perl) reserved for a week in the summer of 2012.
> 
> We need to decide if we want to go ahead on the bid soon. The due date is June 1, which gives us about 6 weeks.
> 
> Leonard has told me he's willing to help, but he doesn't want to be in charge. I'm willing to consider being in charge, but I don't want to do it with just two people ;)
> 
> So ... do you want to help plan YAPC 2012? If so, please let us know. There's a variety of tasks to be done:
> 
> * Advertising
> * Sponsorship coordination
> * Logistics planning
> * Website design and management (posting news, putting useful info up, etc.)
> * Talk selection committee and scheduling
> * Coordinating with select high profile speakers (Larry, Damian, etc)
> * Social event planning
> * Food planning (although I probably want to work on this myself)
> * Making sure wireless will work
> * Working with hotels on group rates
> * A million things I'm not remembering
> 
> If we can assemble a decent committee willing to commit to working on this for the next year, I think I'm probably sucker enough to take the lead.
> 
> Of course, if there's someone else who wants to take the lead (I'm looking at you, Frozen Perl planners), I'm totally cool with that too ;)
> 
> 
> -dave
> 
> /*============================================================
> http://VegGuide.org               http://blog.urth.org
> Your guide to all that's veg      House Absolute(ly Pointless)
> ============================================================*/
> _______________________________________________
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From gerti-pm at bitart.com  Wed Apr 20 10:29:27 2011
From: gerti-pm at bitart.com (Gerd Knops)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 12:29:27 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] use open qw(:std :utf8); messes up readdir()?
Message-ID: <71691DA4-C16B-481A-B2A2-5038B5B5E937@bitart.com>

Hi,

I have an application that deals with UTF8 data for most file I/O. So I am using the pragma

	use open qw(:std :utf8);

which seems to work fine for all data files written and read, as well as any STDIN/STDOUT stuff.

I also have some files on disk that use UTF8 file names (recent Ubuntu so should not be a problem). Bash displays them correctly as long as the 'LANG' environment indicates UTF8, for example "en_US.UTF-8". They also look fine when mounted on my MAC using sshfs.

Now oddly readdir() messes up the file names. When I read and print the names, they come out wrong wherever non ASCII characters are used, for example "J??rgen M??ller".

When I comment out the "use open" pragma, readdir() shows the correct file names.

That seems backwards to me... Am I missing something, or is that a bug? perl v5.10.1

Thanks

Gerd


From gerti-pm at bitart.com  Wed Apr 20 11:34:35 2011
From: gerti-pm at bitart.com (Gerd Knops)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 13:34:35 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] use open qw(:std :utf8); messes up readdir()?
In-Reply-To: <71691DA4-C16B-481A-B2A2-5038B5B5E937@bitart.com>
References: <71691DA4-C16B-481A-B2A2-5038B5B5E937@bitart.com>
Message-ID: <7DC1F843-27CD-48D5-B14E-6D4795676F6F@bitart.com>

Below a small sample illustrating the problem.

As is, the newly written file will show up with a garbled file name in the directory listing, but when printing the file contents the umlauts look fine.

When the "use open" line is commented out, the directory listing looks right, but of course printing the file content looks wrong.

Only workaround I have found so far is to add "use Encode;" and in the dir listing loop add

	fileName=decode('utf8',$fileName);

Gerd


#!/usr/bin/perl -w

use open qw(:std :utf8);
use utf8;

my $umlauts='????';

open(OUT,">$umlauts") or die("Can't open '$umlauts' for write: $!\n");
print OUT "$umlauts\n";
close(OUT);

opendir(DIR,'.') or die("Can't read directory '.': $!\n");
foreach my $fileName (readdir(DIR))
{
	print "-> $fileName\n";
}
closedir(DIR);

open(IN,"$umlauts") or die("Can't open '$umlauts' for read: $!\n");
while(<IN>)
{
	print "$umlauts: $_";
}
close(IN);