On Fri, Sep 09, 2005 at 04:35:24PM -0500, Dave Rolsky (autarch at urth.org) wrote: > > ORA is O'Reilly & Assoc isn't it. Duh. Silly me. I'm still not Actually, they're now ORM: O'Reilly Media. xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance