From ian at indecorous.com  Tue Nov  1 13:03:11 2005
From: ian at indecorous.com (Ian Malpass)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 21:03:11 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Dumb Question...Module Method - Dual Name
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On Tue, 25 Oct 2005, Dave Rolsky wrote:

> AUTOLOAD also breaks calls to ->can(), unless you overload that as well.

Or do forward declaration of the subs you're going to want to AUTOLOAD 
(according to the UNIVERSAL and perlsub documentation, which I have just 
read).

Thus,

     package Example;

     sub Foo;

then

      $eg->can( 'Foo' );

will return true (well, a reference to &Foo, which would then fall through 
to the AUTOLOADer).

Of course, that means you have to declare any subs you want to work with 
can(), but I don't like having open-ended AUTOLOADers anyway, so I usually 
know the list of methods it's going to work on.

> Frankly, I think AUTOLOAD is bad, bad, bad, and I question it's use at
> all.

I *did* say it was a snare for the unwary ;)

But yes, Class::MethodMaker is also groovy (if a little over-engineered, 
perhaps) and your closure code is likewise groovy.

Ian

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From ian at indecorous.com  Thu Nov  3 10:17:29 2005
From: ian at indecorous.com (Ian Malpass)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:17:29 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Next meeting?
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On Thu, 13 Oct 2005, Dave Rolsky wrote:

> Any volunteers for a tech presentation?  I suppose I could do my DateTime
> project talk if folks are interested, but it'd be cool to get other people
> to speak.  We could also do lightning talks again if others were perhaps
> inspired by last night's.

When's the next meeting due?

Ian, who hasn't yet started on his OOP talk....

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From twists at gmail.com  Thu Nov  3 10:44:42 2005
From: twists at gmail.com (Joshua ben Jore)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:44:42 -0600
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Next meeting?
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On 11/3/05, Ian Malpass <ian at indecorous.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Oct 2005, Dave Rolsky wrote:
>
> > Any volunteers for a tech presentation?  I suppose I could do my DateTime
> > project talk if folks are interested, but it'd be cool to get other people
> > to speak.  We could also do lightning talks again if others were perhaps
> > inspired by last night's.
>
> When's the next meeting due?

Wednesday, six days from now. Predictably, is the second wednesday of
the month.

So instead of doing anything about that talk I'm not going to give
anyway but thought I might work on regardless, I've been merging
B::Utils with stuff in Module::Info and writing tests for it. Mostly
because I'd feel bad if I started releasing updates to B::Deobfuscate
before maintaining B::Utils and friends.

Josh

From gary.vollink at gmail.com  Thu Nov  3 12:50:40 2005
From: gary.vollink at gmail.com (Gary Vollink)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:50:40 -0600
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Next meeting?
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On 11/3/05, Joshua ben Jore <twists at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/3/05, Ian Malpass <ian at indecorous.com> wrote:
> > When's the next meeting due?
> Wednesday, six days from now. Predictably, is the second wednesday of
> the month.

Yes, indeed.  I, for my own part, have a couple of working examples, I
just don't know what to "say".  So far, I'm planning on putting up
some code, grunting, and showing the output!

(I'm so much wittier in writing).

Good luck,
Gary Allen

From ken at mathforum.org  Thu Nov  3 19:55:38 2005
From: ken at mathforum.org (Ken Williams)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 21:55:38 -0600
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Next meeting?
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On Oct 27, 2005, at 12:09 AM, Ian Malpass wrote:

> On Wed, 26 Oct 2005, Ken Williams wrote:
>
>> I'm just now starting to use pack() and unpack() on a regular basis 
>> and
>> know what I'm doing.
>
> Good lightning talk volunteering, that man. Well done.
>

I'll be happy to give the talk at home, perhaps in my pajamas, to a 
private audience of my daughter and my hound, but unfortunately I can't 
be at the meeting again.

  -Ken


From andy at petdance.com  Thu Nov  3 20:06:19 2005
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 22:06:19 -0600
Subject: [Mpls-pm] YAPC::NA 2006 is just down the road
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YAPC::NA 2006 will be in Chicago, just down the road a piece!  No  
more having to get all the way out to Buffalo or Toronto or one of  
those eastern cities.

Hope to see ALL OF YOU there!
-- 
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance



From mfreeman at netcogov.com  Mon Nov  7 10:16:23 2005
From: mfreeman at netcogov.com (Michael J. Freeman)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 12:16:23 -0600
Subject: [Mpls-pm] job postings
Message-ID: <200511071216.23844.mfreeman@netcogov.com>

Hello all,

I am new to this list and was wondering if this was an appropriate place to 
relay job postings? My company has a few openings and I'd like to start by 
tapping the Perl community.

thanks,
Mike

-- 
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NMS Development
Netco Government Services, Inc.
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rearranging their prejudices.
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From mfreeman at netcogov.com  Mon Nov  7 10:25:52 2005
From: mfreeman at netcogov.com (Michael J. Freeman)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 12:25:52 -0600
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Job Posting: Sr. Software Developer
Message-ID: <200511071225.52266.mfreeman@netcogov.com>

See the bottom of this message for information on how to apply.

 Applications Developer IV

Location: Eagan, MN

Must have proven experience managing projects through the entire software 
development lifecycle. The role requires both broad and deep technology 
knowledge and the ability to architect a solution by mapping a customer's 
business problem to an end-to-end technology solution.

Responsibilities

? Coordinate and lead technical projects from initiation through delivery.

? Serve as liaison between technical and business stakeholders.

? Facilitate communications between project team members, both internal and 
external to Netco.

? Insure that efforts comply with customer guidelines/requirements.

? Prepare and present briefings for customers and management on project 
status.

? Establishes technical milestones and monitors adherence to integrated master 
schedule.

? Concurrently work on multiple initiatives.

? Identifies technical project problems and obtains solutions such as 
allocation of resources or working to change contractual specifications.

? Provide support for new/potential program requirements with solutions using 
current technologies.

? Improve/Follow Netco?s software engineering best practices

Organizational Relationship
Reports To: NMS Development Manager

Job Requirements

Education:
? Bachelor\'s degree in Computer Science or related field, with technical 
leadership training and/or demonstrated capability through previous 
experience.

Experience:
? 8+ years experience in the areas of software development & implementation

? 3 ? 5 years in a senior technical role

? Understands and has lead teams through software development life cycle, from 
requirements definition through implementation and steady-state.

Mandatory Skills:
? Operating Systems: MS Windows, UNIX

? Databases: MS SQL Server, Oracle

? Languages: MS Visual Basic, Perl Scripting, C/C++, JAVA, .NET Framework, PHP

? Applications: SharePoint, Oracle, MS Active Directory, MS Office, MS Project

? Excellent engineering level documentation and communication skills

? Excellent knowledge of all areas of business systems and operations

? Excellent peer and subordinate communications, including presentation skills

? Strong conflict resolution skills

? Mentoring skills to assist less experienced application developers

? Excellent time management, human relations and organization skills


We are proud to be an EEO/AA employer M/F/D/V.


--
Please feel free to contact me for more information about the position, or if 
you're interested in applying please go to http://www.netcogov.com/careers/ 
and use me as the referrer.

Thanks in advance,
Michael

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From mfreeman at netcogov.com  Mon Nov  7 10:25:53 2005
From: mfreeman at netcogov.com (Michael J. Freeman)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 12:25:53 -0600
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Job Posting: Network Management Systems sustaining
	engineer IV
Message-ID: <200511071225.53106.mfreeman@netcogov.com>


See the bottom of this message for information on how to apply.

 NMS Sustaining Engineer IV

Summary

This position is responsible for partnering with customers, vendors, and 
teammates to support, operate and maintain the Network management Systems 
(NMS) for the NMCI contract. Work to ensure that the Network Management 
Systems are standardized, reliable and performance exceeds that of the 
contracted services levels. In this position, project and workload management 
are essential components. Operates under minimal supervision.

APPLICANTS SELECTED WILL BE SUBJECT TO A GOVERNMENT SECURITY INVESTIGATION AND 
MUST MEET ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS FOR ACCESS TO CLASSIFIED INFORMATION.

Location: Bloomington, Minnesota

Department: 4 0 0

Responsibilities Lead and coordinate NMS Projects and the release of NMS 
Solutions into the production environments. Develop and maintain the Network 
Management Systems including applications, operating systems, fixes and 
patches Respond to IAVA and security vulnerabilities for the NMS Systems 
Serve as an escalation point for NMS application and system issues. 
Responsible for support of the NMS Systems. Off-hour and on-site support is 
required. Responsible for engineering change orders including development, 
documentation and supporting the release of the solution(s) into the 
production environment. Responsible for the implementation of engineering 
processes that provide for a timely and appropriate integration of all 
engineering disciplines to ensure NMS meets all requirements including SLA 
agreements. Installs, maintains and repairs NMS applications and operating 
systems. Identifies, designs and recommends standards for network management 
systems. Implement and maintain the NMS systems to support fault detection, 
correlation, performance metric?s, SLA's and reporting. Provide technical 
direction in meeting design and implementation milestones as well as 
responding to operational Service Level Agreements Identifies and evaluates 
problems, determines the risks areas and mitigates their impact. Review and 
maintain configuration standards for the Network Management Systems. Assist 
in providing NMS tool training to NMS customers. Work within established 
project timelines to develop and unit test NMS solutions. Uses established 
best practices to develop templates and documentation to improve operational 
procedures. Develop multiple alternate designs and analyzes trade-off that 
trigger iteration of the design process. Recommend and develop alternate 
designs and analyze trade-offs that trigger iteration of the design process. 
Work with the Project Services group to recommend and test effective 
solutions for global network monitoring and SLA attainment. Obtain a strong 
working knowledge of the hardware and software deployed in the NMCI. Up to 
75% travel

Organizational Relationships Reports To: NMS SLA Operations Director

Job Requirements Education: Bachelor?s degree in Computer Science or 
equivalent experience. Strong non-degree candidates with advanced industry 
experience will be considered. Experience: 7-10 years experience that 
includes network and Unix operational support, hands-on implementation and 
configuration of network management solutions and devices such as routers, 
hubs, switches, NICs, associated software tools, desktop computers, and 
cabling in a large LAN/BAN/WAN environment. As well as extensive experience 
with TCP/IP protocols. Minimum of 3 years experience with UNIX operating 
system, shell and perl scripting. Minimum of 3 years administering network 
management solutions (NetView, CiscoWorks, Tivoli, NetCool). Experience with 
secure networks, specifically Intel Community standards. Cisco certifications 
CCNA or CCDA preferred, CCNP a plus. Knowledge and experience using Cisco?s 
Catalyst OS version 6.3 and above and IOS 12.0 and above. Experience 
implementing and troubleshooting configurations on Cisco equipment. Skills: 
Excellent communications and interpersonal skills.

Strong communication skills: writing and editing needed to transfer 
information to individuals involved in the network management process.

Proven project leadership experience

Strong understanding of trouble ticketing software (Remedy) and NMS solutions 
(Tivoli, NetView and Cisco Works) a must.

Previous experience working on military bases/sites, including previous 
military service highly desirable

We are proud to be an EEO/AA employer M/F/D/V.

--
Please feel free to contact me for more information about the position, or if 
you're interested in applying please go to http://www.netcogov.com/careers/ 
and use me as the referrer.

Thanks in advance,
Michael

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From autarch at urth.org  Mon Nov  7 10:35:20 2005
From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 12:35:20 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] job postings
In-Reply-To: <200511071216.23844.mfreeman@netcogov.com>
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On Mon, 7 Nov 2005, Michael J. Freeman wrote:

> I am new to this list and was wondering if this was an appropriate place to
> relay job postings? My company has a few openings and I'd like to start by
> tapping the Perl community.

It is appropriate for job postings that involve Perl.  However, the jobs 
you sent to the list don't seem to have much to do with Perl.


-dave

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From mfreeman at netcogov.com  Mon Nov  7 11:23:24 2005
From: mfreeman at netcogov.com (Michael J. Freeman)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 13:23:24 -0600
Subject: [Mpls-pm] job postings
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0511071233380.16624@urth.org>
References: <200511071216.23844.mfreeman@netcogov.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0511071233380.16624@urth.org>
Message-ID: <200511071323.27853.mfreeman@netcogov.com>

I'm sorry that those job postings don't emphasize the use of Perl enough, but 
we use it here as our primary development language, along with some .NET 
stuff, but most everything is in Perl right now.

We'd like to get someone well versed in Perl for both positions, and then a 
strong application developer with C++, Java, or .Net for the senior developer 
positions.

On Monday 07 November 2005 12:35, Dave Rolsky wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Nov 2005, Michael J. Freeman wrote:
> > I am new to this list and was wondering if this was an appropriate place
> > to relay job postings? My company has a few openings and I'd like to
> > start by tapping the Perl community.
>
> It is appropriate for job postings that involve Perl.  However, the jobs
> you sent to the list don't seem to have much to do with Perl.
>
>
> -dave
>
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From ian at indecorous.com  Wed Nov  9 07:08:36 2005
From: ian at indecorous.com (Ian Malpass)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:08:36 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Meeting this evening?
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.61.0511091452040.27848@localhost>

I believe there's supposed to be a meeting this evening, and I'm supposed 
to be giving a talk.

I'm afraid that if there is, I won't be able to do the talk - I'm feeling 
not inconsiderably icky, and my voice isn't quite up to the task :(

Sorry for the short notice, but the bugs didn't give me much either.

Ian

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From sieglerc at comcast.net  Wed Nov  9 08:25:44 2005
From: sieglerc at comcast.net (Chris Siegler)
Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 10:25:44 -0600
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Meeting this evening?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.61.0511091452040.27848@localhost>
References: <Pine.NEB.4.61.0511091452040.27848@localhost>
Message-ID: <43722308.8050109@comcast.net>

Ian Malpass wrote:
> I believe there's supposed to be a meeting this evening, and I'm supposed 
> to be giving a talk.
> 
> I'm afraid that if there is, I won't be able to do the talk - I'm feeling 
> not inconsiderably icky, and my voice isn't quite up to the task :(
> 
> Sorry for the short notice, but the bugs didn't give me much either.
> 
You could try to do the 20 minute talk in mime, but it's probably better 
that you wait until next month.

Meeting is tonight at 7 p.m.

http://minneapolis.pm.org/#presentation



From lecar_red at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  9 08:38:59 2005
From: lecar_red at yahoo.com (Lee Carmichael)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:38:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Meeting this evening?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.61.0511091452040.27848@localhost>
Message-ID: <20051109163859.13113.qmail@web31407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- Ian Malpass <ian at indecorous.com> wrote:
> I'm afraid that if there is, I won't be able to do
> the talk - I'm feeling 
> not inconsiderably icky, and my voice isn't quite up
> to the task :(

That doesn't sound like much fun... You haven't been
plucking any birds lately?

> Sorry for the short notice, but the bugs didn't give
> me much either.

My overload talk is about 5 minutes over the 10
minutes, if everyone didn't mind listening to me, I
could use that extra time. 

Take Care,

Lee




		
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From autarch at urth.org  Wed Nov  9 08:38:04 2005
From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:38:04 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Meeting this evening?
In-Reply-To: <20051109163859.13113.qmail@web31407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051109163859.13113.qmail@web31407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0511091037290.1708@urth.org>

On Wed, 9 Nov 2005, Lee Carmichael wrote:

> --- Ian Malpass <ian at indecorous.com> wrote:
>> I'm afraid that if there is, I won't be able to do the talk - I'm 
>> feeling not inconsiderably icky, and my voice isn't quite up to the 
>> task :(
>
> That doesn't sound like much fun... You haven't been plucking any birds 
> lately?

Bird flu symptoms are not like typical flu.  There's no sore throat or 
headache, just fluid in the lungs.


-dave

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From ken at mathforum.org  Wed Nov  9 09:25:38 2005
From: ken at mathforum.org (Ken Williams)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:25:38 -0600
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Meeting this evening?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0511091037290.1708@urth.org>
References: <20051109163859.13113.qmail@web31407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0511091037290.1708@urth.org>
Message-ID: <6d9f196d015c4720dc0cb86756be5f4f@mathforum.org>


On Nov 9, 2005, at 10:38 AM, Dave Rolsky wrote:

> On Wed, 9 Nov 2005, Lee Carmichael wrote:
>
>> --- Ian Malpass <ian at indecorous.com> wrote:
>>> I'm afraid that if there is, I won't be able to do the talk - I'm
>>> feeling not inconsiderably icky, and my voice isn't quite up to the
>>> task :(
>>
>> That doesn't sound like much fun... You haven't been plucking any 
>> birds
>> lately?
>
> Bird flu symptoms are not like typical flu.  There's no sore throat or
> headache, just fluid in the lungs.

Ian, what happens when you stand on your head?  Does your hair get all 
wet?  That could be a sign of bird flu.  Does your voice sound like 
it's underwater?  That could be another sign.

  -Ken


From jim at acadcam.com  Wed Nov  9 10:32:41 2005
From: jim at acadcam.com (Jim Anderson)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:32:41 -0600
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Meeting this evening?
In-Reply-To: <6d9f196d015c4720dc0cb86756be5f4f@mathforum.org>;
	from ken@mathforum.org on Wed, Nov 09, 2005 at 11:25:38AM -0600
References: <20051109163859.13113.qmail@web31407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0511091037290.1708@urth.org>
	<6d9f196d015c4720dc0cb86756be5f4f@mathforum.org>
Message-ID: <20051109123241.A2880@acadcam.com>

On Wed, Nov 09, 2005 at 11:25:38AM -0600, Ken Williams wrote:
> 
> On Nov 9, 2005, at 10:38 AM, Dave Rolsky wrote:
> > Bird flu symptoms are not like typical flu.  There's no sore throat or
> > headache, just fluid in the lungs.
> 
> Ian, what happens when you stand on your head?  Does your hair get all 
> wet?  That could be a sign of bird flu.  Does your voice sound like 
> it's underwater?  That could be another sign.

That's what I like about Perl - It can do everything.  Even give medical
advice!

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Anderson CAD/CAM, Inc           Lucifer designed MS-DOS to try
2500 Highway 88, Suite 108          men's souls.
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From jira0004 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  9 10:41:59 2005
From: jira0004 at yahoo.com (jira0004)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:41:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Meeting this evening?
In-Reply-To: <6d9f196d015c4720dc0cb86756be5f4f@mathforum.org>
Message-ID: <20051109184200.40458.qmail@web33914.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I am scheduled for 15 minutes but may go over as well.

Regards,

Peter Jirak
C: 612-703-1847


--- Ken Williams <ken at mathforum.org> wrote:

> 
> On Nov 9, 2005, at 10:38 AM, Dave Rolsky wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 9 Nov 2005, Lee Carmichael wrote:
> >
> >> --- Ian Malpass <ian at indecorous.com> wrote:
> >>> I'm afraid that if there is, I won't be able to
> do the talk - I'm
> >>> feeling not inconsiderably icky, and my voice
> isn't quite up to the
> >>> task :(
> >>
> >> That doesn't sound like much fun... You haven't
> been plucking any 
> >> birds
> >> lately?
> >
> > Bird flu symptoms are not like typical flu. 
> There's no sore throat or
> > headache, just fluid in the lungs.
> 
> Ian, what happens when you stand on your head?  Does
> your hair get all 
> wet?  That could be a sign of bird flu.  Does your
> voice sound like 
> it's underwater?  That could be another sign.
> 
>   -Ken
> 
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From glenn at easy-access.com  Wed Nov  9 11:32:16 2005
From: glenn at easy-access.com (Glenn Bushee)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 13:32:16 -0600
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Meeting this evening?
In-Reply-To: <20051109123241.A2880@acadcam.com>
References: <20051109163859.13113.qmail@web31407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0511091037290.1708@urth.org>
	<6d9f196d015c4720dc0cb86756be5f4f@mathforum.org>
	<20051109123241.A2880@acadcam.com>
Message-ID: <bbda7ae00511091132p183f474bl8231bc2ddbac81c5@mail.gmail.com>

That would be:
WWW::Search::PubMed - class for searching National Library of Medicine
http://search.cpan.org/~jsmyser/WWW-Search-PubMed.-1.0/PubMed.pm

- Glenn

On 11/9/05, Jim Anderson <jim at acadcam.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 09, 2005 at 11:25:38AM -0600, Ken Williams wrote:
> >
> > On Nov 9, 2005, at 10:38 AM, Dave Rolsky wrote:
> > > Bird flu symptoms are not like typical flu.  There's no sore throat or
> > > headache, just fluid in the lungs.
> >
> > Ian, what happens when you stand on your head?  Does your hair get all
> > wet?  That could be a sign of bird flu.  Does your voice sound like
> > it's underwater?  That could be another sign.
>
> That's what I like about Perl - It can do everything.  Even give medical
> advice!
>
> --
> Jim Anderson                    (612) 782-0456     jim at acadcam.com
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From gary.vollink at gmail.com  Wed Nov  9 13:21:31 2005
From: gary.vollink at gmail.com (Gary Vollink)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:21:31 -0600
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Meeting this evening?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.61.0511091452040.27848@localhost>
References: <Pine.NEB.4.61.0511091452040.27848@localhost>
Message-ID: <d920f0f10511091321s47c56aa5m6e575358b3eb2038@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/9/05, Ian Malpass <ian at indecorous.com> wrote:
> I believe there's supposed to be a meeting this evening, and I'm supposed
> to be giving a talk.
>
> I'm afraid that if there is, I won't be able to do the talk - I'm feeling
> not inconsiderably icky, and my voice isn't quite up to the task :(

Will you be there, not talking, or are you going to curl up at home
with a warm laptop?  ;-)

I'll see the rest of you folks at the meeting.  In the great tradition
of these talks, I finished writing it not too long ago, and I'm
snooping around my office looking for some poor soul to practice on.

Thanks,
Gary Allen

From ejseim at tech-pro.com  Wed Nov  9 13:48:17 2005
From: ejseim at tech-pro.com (Ehren J. Seim)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:48:17 -0600
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Meeting this evening?
Message-ID: <FEE7BC7F7C2920488A1F9AAFED0259B666E1BE@pmnmail2.tech-pro.com>

All I can offer is a projector that overheats, beverages (sodas, water,
etc.), and snacks tonight.  Sorry, no pizza (I know, I know).  

Thanks,
Ehren   

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Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 3:22 PM
To: Ian Malpass
Cc: mpls-pm at pm.org
Subject: Re: [Mpls-pm] Meeting this evening?

On 11/9/05, Ian Malpass <ian at indecorous.com> wrote:
> I believe there's supposed to be a meeting this evening, and I'm 
> supposed to be giving a talk.
>
> I'm afraid that if there is, I won't be able to do the talk - I'm 
> feeling not inconsiderably icky, and my voice isn't quite up to the 
> task :(

Will you be there, not talking, or are you going to curl up at home with
a warm laptop?  ;-)

I'll see the rest of you folks at the meeting.  In the great tradition
of these talks, I finished writing it not too long ago, and I'm snooping
around my office looking for some poor soul to practice on.

Thanks,
Gary Allen
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From twists at gmail.com  Wed Nov  9 13:56:33 2005
From: twists at gmail.com (Joshua ben Jore)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:56:33 -0600
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Meeting this evening?
In-Reply-To: <FEE7BC7F7C2920488A1F9AAFED0259B666E1BE@pmnmail2.tech-pro.com>
References: <FEE7BC7F7C2920488A1F9AAFED0259B666E1BE@pmnmail2.tech-pro.com>
Message-ID: <dc5c751d0511091356q20df29edoaa8acf519044dcf3@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/9/05, Ehren J. Seim <ejseim at tech-pro.com> wrote:
> All I can offer is a projector that overheats, beverages (sodas, water,
> etc.), and snacks tonight.  Sorry, no pizza (I know, I know).

I thought tonight would be at Espresso Royale because we hadn't
explicitly said anything about being at TechPro this month.

Josh

From gary.vollink at gmail.com  Wed Nov  9 13:59:48 2005
From: gary.vollink at gmail.com (Gary Vollink)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:59:48 -0600
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Meeting this evening?
In-Reply-To: <dc5c751d0511091356q20df29edoaa8acf519044dcf3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FEE7BC7F7C2920488A1F9AAFED0259B666E1BE@pmnmail2.tech-pro.com>
	<dc5c751d0511091356q20df29edoaa8acf519044dcf3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d920f0f10511091359x2507eac3ke701f97d8bf7407a@mail.gmail.com>

According to the site:

http://minneapolis.pm.org/

It's a TechPro again, and since Ehren's aware, I hope it's not a problem.

On 11/9/05, Joshua ben Jore <twists at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/9/05, Ehren J. Seim <ejseim at tech-pro.com> wrote:
> > All I can offer is a projector that overheats, beverages (sodas, water,
> > etc.), and snacks tonight.  Sorry, no pizza (I know, I know).
>
> I thought tonight would be at Espresso Royale because we hadn't
> explicitly said anything about being at TechPro this month.
>
> Josh
>

From autarch at urth.org  Wed Nov  9 13:58:32 2005
From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:58:32 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Meeting this evening?
In-Reply-To: <dc5c751d0511091356q20df29edoaa8acf519044dcf3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FEE7BC7F7C2920488A1F9AAFED0259B666E1BE@pmnmail2.tech-pro.com>
	<dc5c751d0511091356q20df29edoaa8acf519044dcf3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0511091557320.1708@urth.org>

On Wed, 9 Nov 2005, Joshua ben Jore wrote:

> On 11/9/05, Ehren J. Seim <ejseim at tech-pro.com> wrote:
>> All I can offer is a projector that overheats, beverages (sodas, water,
>> etc.), and snacks tonight.  Sorry, no pizza (I know, I know).
>
> I thought tonight would be at Espresso Royale because we hadn't
> explicitly said anything about being at TechPro this month.

How are we going to do lightning talks at Espresso Royale? ;)

Plus the web page has said Tech-Pro since the last meeting.


-dave

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From twists at gmail.com  Wed Nov  9 14:20:25 2005
From: twists at gmail.com (Joshua ben Jore)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:20:25 -0600
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Meeting this evening?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0511091557320.1708@urth.org>
References: <FEE7BC7F7C2920488A1F9AAFED0259B666E1BE@pmnmail2.tech-pro.com>
	<dc5c751d0511091356q20df29edoaa8acf519044dcf3@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0511091557320.1708@urth.org>
Message-ID: <dc5c751d0511091420j3931455ic33123ff8cd98041@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/9/05, Dave Rolsky <autarch at urth.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Nov 2005, Joshua ben Jore wrote:
>
> > On 11/9/05, Ehren J. Seim <ejseim at tech-pro.com> wrote:
> >> All I can offer is a projector that overheats, beverages (sodas, water,
> >> etc.), and snacks tonight.  Sorry, no pizza (I know, I know).
> >
> > I thought tonight would be at Espresso Royale because we hadn't
> > explicitly said anything about being at TechPro this month.
>
> How are we going to do lightning talks at Espresso Royale? ;)
>
> Plus the web page has said Tech-Pro since the last meeting.

I've forgotten again that the web page gets updated - the memory of it
being old and out of date is stronger. I expected that we'd just chat
our talks to each other around a table or on the couches.

Josh

From jira0004 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  9 15:13:35 2005
From: jira0004 at yahoo.com (jira0004)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:13:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Meeting this evening?
In-Reply-To: <dc5c751d0511091420j3931455ic33123ff8cd98041@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051109231335.82882.qmail@web33903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have slides for my presentation.  It was a bit of a
challenge.  I did it as a Perl DBI/database overview. 
My presentation is aimed at Perl folks who maybe have
never developed an application that uses a relational
database.

Those of you who have implemented applications that
use relational databases and have used Perl DBI may
find my talk is mostly a review of stuff you already
know.

Regards,

Peter Jirak
C: 612-703-1847


--- Joshua ben Jore <twists at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 11/9/05, Dave Rolsky <autarch at urth.org> wrote:
> > On Wed, 9 Nov 2005, Joshua ben Jore wrote:
> >
> > > On 11/9/05, Ehren J. Seim <ejseim at tech-pro.com>
> wrote:
> > >> All I can offer is a projector that overheats,
> beverages (sodas, water,
> > >> etc.), and snacks tonight.  Sorry, no pizza (I
> know, I know).
> > >
> > > I thought tonight would be at Espresso Royale
> because we hadn't
> > > explicitly said anything about being at TechPro
> this month.
> >
> > How are we going to do lightning talks at Espresso
> Royale? ;)
> >
> > Plus the web page has said Tech-Pro since the last
> meeting.
> 
> I've forgotten again that the web page gets updated
> - the memory of it
> being old and out of date is stronger. I expected
> that we'd just chat
> our talks to each other around a table or on the
> couches.
> 
> Josh
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From gary.vollink at gmail.com  Wed Nov  9 19:02:50 2005
From: gary.vollink at gmail.com (Gary Vollink)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 21:02:50 -0600
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Gary's GD Pages
Message-ID: <d920f0f10511091902w7712c17fi11a3cdde628cc8d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Here are my GD Pages...

  http://www.vollink.com/gary/perl/gd/

Of course, your welcome to explore the rest of my site too!

Thanks,
Gary Allen Vollink

From autarch at urth.org  Thu Nov 10 11:57:47 2005
From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 13:57:47 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] More lightning talks
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0511101356590.20589@urth.org>

I'm sure there's still folks out there with stuff to say.  I'm going to 
talk about the relational model and how SQL is not relational and other 
related things (thus compressing many days worth of info into about 10-15 
minutes).


-dave

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From autarch at urth.org  Thu Nov 10 12:02:08 2005
From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 14:02:08 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Another lightning talk note
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0511101359150.20589@urth.org>

So folks are doing a pretty bad job at keeping them down to 10 minutes or 
so.  I went way over in answering questions.

My question to the group is whether or not this is a problem.  My personal 
take on it is that I'd prefer people try to stick to a time limit, as it 
encourages you to think more up front about what you want to say rather 
than rambling cause you know you can go way over.  I think it also 
encourages presenters to limit the scope of their talks in a way that is 
beneficial to the audience, since I think that the listeners will get more 
from either very brief overviews or very narrowly focused in-depth looks 
at something, rather than an overview that tries to cover everything with 
some (but not enough) depth.

I was thinking of being more strict, and maybe even bringing a buzzer or 
something like that.  Thoughts on this?


-dave

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From ian at indecorous.com  Thu Nov 10 12:15:50 2005
From: ian at indecorous.com (Ian Malpass)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:15:50 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Another lightning talk note
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0511101359150.20589@urth.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0511101359150.20589@urth.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.61.0511102010400.20393@localhost>

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005, Dave Rolsky wrote:

> So folks are doing a pretty bad job at keeping them down to 10 minutes or
> so.  I went way over in answering questions.
>
> My question to the group is whether or not this is a problem.  My personal
> take on it is that I'd prefer people try to stick to a time limit, as it
> encourages you to think more up front about what you want to say rather
> than rambling cause you know you can go way over.

I don't have a problem with stricter time limits, as long as they're 
applied to the talks, and not the Q&A afterwards. Or, rather, as long as 
there's a separate time limit applied to the Q&A afterwards. And as long 
as people then keep their questions until the Q&A, rather than asking them 
mid-talk.

I think for a lightning talk, keeping questions to the end probably 
wouldn't be difficult or bad. For something like the OOP talk I was 
supposed to give last night, it might be easier to allow for questions 
mid-stream rather than lose someone because the speaker explained 
something oddly.

Ian

-
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

The soul would have no rainbows if the eyes held no tears.

Ian Malpass
<ian at indecorous.com>

From jim at acadcam.com  Thu Nov 10 12:28:58 2005
From: jim at acadcam.com (Jim Anderson)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 14:28:58 -0600
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Another lightning talk note
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0511101359150.20589@urth.org>;
	from autarch@urth.org on Thu, Nov 10, 2005 at 02:02:08PM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0511101359150.20589@urth.org>
Message-ID: <20051110142857.B2880@acadcam.com>

On Thu, Nov 10, 2005 at 02:02:08PM -0600, Dave Rolsky wrote:
> I was thinking of being more strict, and maybe even bringing a buzzer or 
> something like that.  Thoughts on this?

Personally, I don't have a problem with it.  5-10 minutes is certainly a
good target time to plan for, but if the group interest in the subject
is high, and the speaker is willing to elaborate, I'm ok with letting a
discussion go on.  If we get to the point where we have more talks in an
evening than we have time for, then we need to do something.  As it is,
if we really kept everybody down to 5 minutes, we'd be leaving in about
20-30 minutes - hardly worth the travel time.

Perhaps a better goal is to plan for an overall meeting time of about
1.5-2 hours.  If a couple people want to stay with 5 minutes, no problem
- if somebody wants 30, just make sure everybody doesn't want 30 the
same night.

If I get my a** in gear, I'm planning to do a talk or two on Perl/Tk,
and I can probably expound on that for as little or as much as people
are willing to tolerate, perhaps even making it an hour talk, but broken
up over 3 or 4 meetings.

-- 
Jim Anderson                    (612) 782-0456     jim at acadcam.com
Anderson CAD/CAM, Inc           Lucifer designed MS-DOS to try
2500 Highway 88, Suite 108          men's souls.
St Anthony, MN  55418           Then he had a better idea...

From autarch at urth.org  Thu Nov 10 12:31:11 2005
From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 14:31:11 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Another lightning talk note
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.61.0511102010400.20393@localhost>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0511101359150.20589@urth.org>
	<Pine.NEB.4.61.0511102010400.20393@localhost>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0511101417160.20589@urth.org>

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005, Ian Malpass wrote:

> I don't have a problem with stricter time limits, as long as they're applied 
> to the talks, and not the Q&A afterwards. Or, rather, as long as there's a 
> separate time limit applied to the Q&A afterwards. And as long as people then 
> keep their questions until the Q&A, rather than asking them mid-talk.
>
> I think for a lightning talk, keeping questions to the end probably wouldn't 
> be difficult or bad. For something like the OOP talk I was supposed to give 
> last night, it might be easier to allow for questions mid-stream rather than 
> lose someone because the speaker explained something oddly.

I agree.  I think queueing up questions would be a good practice.


-dave

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From autarch at urth.org  Thu Nov 10 12:32:51 2005
From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 14:32:51 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Another lightning talk note
In-Reply-To: <20051110142857.B2880@acadcam.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0511101359150.20589@urth.org>
	<20051110142857.B2880@acadcam.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0511101431260.20589@urth.org>

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005, Jim Anderson wrote:

> Personally, I don't have a problem with it.  5-10 minutes is certainly a
> good target time to plan for, but if the group interest in the subject
> is high, and the speaker is willing to elaborate, I'm ok with letting a
> discussion go on.  If we get to the point where we have more talks in an
> evening than we have time for, then we need to do something.  As it is,
> if we really kept everybody down to 5 minutes, we'd be leaving in about
> 20-30 minutes - hardly worth the travel time.

I was more thinking that people would declare in advance how much time 
they want (up to 20 minutes max, I'd say) and I'd hold them to it.

> Perhaps a better goal is to plan for an overall meeting time of about
> 1.5-2 hours.  If a couple people want to stay with 5 minutes, no problem
> - if somebody wants 30, just make sure everybody doesn't want 30 the
> same night.

I would agree.  I'd like to get out of there by 9, basically.


-dave

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From lecar_red at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 10 13:17:57 2005
From: lecar_red at yahoo.com (Lee Carmichael)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 13:17:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Talk slides
Message-ID: <20051110211757.47632.qmail@web31402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello Everyone,

Here is URL link to my slides from the Overloading
talk:

http://workspace.wamnet.com/~lcarmich/overload/contents.html

Take Care,

Lee


		
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From jira0004 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 10 13:40:08 2005
From: jira0004 at yahoo.com (jira0004)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 13:40:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Another lightning talk note
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0511101359150.20589@urth.org>
Message-ID: <20051110214009.55671.qmail@web33911.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Yeah, I know I went over, I put together my talk
rather late and didn't have a chance to pair down what
I did and didn't want to say.

Generally, I think the thing to do would be to ask
folks upfront to reserve an amount of time with the
minimum being 5 minutes and the maximum being 30
minutes.

I think that folks should be able to ask
questions/make points during some one's talk so the
scheduling should include maybe an additional 10
minutes for questions/points made during some one's
talk.

Some times the person doing the persontation has said
something in a confusing way and asking them at the
time what they meant is more useful than asking
afterwards.  Additionally, sometimes some one has a
useful point to contribute, so I think as long as
people are polite, getting to ask questions/make
comments during some one's talk is a good idea.

I should note, I am strictly opposed to a buzzer; you
can always ask someone to conclude their talk and do
an applicable follow-up another night in the future.

Regards,

Peter Jirak
E: jira0004 at yahoo.com


--- Dave Rolsky <autarch at urth.org> wrote:

> So folks are doing a pretty bad job at keeping them
> down to 10 minutes or 
> so.  I went way over in answering questions.
> 
> My question to the group is whether or not this is a
> problem.  My personal 
> take on it is that I'd prefer people try to stick to
> a time limit, as it 
> encourages you to think more up front about what you
> want to say rather 
> than rambling cause you know you can go way over.  I
> think it also 
> encourages presenters to limit the scope of their
> talks in a way that is 
> beneficial to the audience, since I think that the
> listeners will get more 
> from either very brief overviews or very narrowly
> focused in-depth looks 
> at something, rather than an overview that tries to
> cover everything with 
> some (but not enough) depth.
> 
> I was thinking of being more strict, and maybe even
> bringing a buzzer or 
> something like that.  Thoughts on this?
> 
> 
> -dave
> 
>
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From autarch at urth.org  Thu Nov 10 14:21:38 2005
From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:21:38 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Another lightning talk note
In-Reply-To: <20051110214009.55671.qmail@web33911.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051110214009.55671.qmail@web33911.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005, jira0004 wrote:

> Generally, I think the thing to do would be to ask folks upfront to 
> reserve an amount of time with the minimum being 5 minutes and the 
> maximum being 30 minutes.

I'd say a max of 20.  30 is approaching full length talk time.  At that 
point you may as well go for 45 and just be the only presenter.

> I think that folks should be able to ask questions/make points during 
> some one's talk so the scheduling should include maybe an additional 10 
> minutes for questions/points made during some one's talk.

That might work too.

> I should note, I am strictly opposed to a buzzer; you can always ask 
> someone to conclude their talk and do an applicable follow-up another 
> night in the future.

It's very awkward for me to interrupt a speaker to say "5 minutes left" or 
"you're over".  Maybe I'll bring a bell (like at hotel or restaurant 
counters).  It's not an obnoxious sound and it doesn't really interrupt 
the speaker.


-dave

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From jim at acadcam.com  Thu Nov 10 14:32:00 2005
From: jim at acadcam.com (Jim Anderson)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:32:00 -0600
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Another lightning talk note
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0511101620030.20589@urth.org>;
	from autarch@urth.org on Thu, Nov 10, 2005 at 04:21:38PM -0600
References: <20051110214009.55671.qmail@web33911.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0511101620030.20589@urth.org>
Message-ID: <20051110163200.A4659@acadcam.com>

On Thu, Nov 10, 2005 at 04:21:38PM -0600, Dave Rolsky wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Nov 2005, jira0004 wrote:
> 
> > Generally, I think the thing to do would be to ask folks upfront to 
> > reserve an amount of time with the minimum being 5 minutes and the 
> > maximum being 30 minutes.
> 
> I'd say a max of 20.  30 is approaching full length talk time.  At that 
> point you may as well go for 45 and just be the only presenter.

We're not conducting any other business at the meeting, so what's wrong
with planning on up to 2 hours of presentation?  One presenter for 2 hours,
2 for an hour each, or 6 at 20 minutes?

We just need to get started on time.

Perhaps another way to think about it is "Are the meetings going too long
now?"  If we're ok on meeting length now, then there isn't much point in
trying to get everybody finished quicker.  And if they are too long, is it
because we're waiting too long to get started, or are the presentations
taking too long?


-- 
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Anderson CAD/CAM, Inc           Lucifer designed MS-DOS to try
2500 Highway 88, Suite 108          men's souls.
St Anthony, MN  55418           Then he had a better idea...

From twincitiesPM at toiletmonster.org  Thu Nov 10 15:03:20 2005
From: twincitiesPM at toiletmonster.org (eric johnson)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 18:03:20 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Another lightning talk note
In-Reply-To: <20051110163200.A4659@acadcam.com>
References: <20051110214009.55671.qmail@web33911.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0511101620030.20589@urth.org>
	<20051110163200.A4659@acadcam.com>
Message-ID: <1131663800.17401.247259956@webmail.messagingengine.com>

I think the point of lightening talks is that they don't take very much
time.  (Hence the lightening).  The goal is to quickly introduce a
topic.  And to make a speaker focus on the central idea.  If people are
interested in the details of a subject they can delve into it on their
own time.  

If there is enough interest for detail on a specific topic then we can
schedule someone to talk the whole meeting.  


Eric


On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:32:00 -0600, "Jim Anderson" <jim at acadcam.com>
said:
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2005 at 04:21:38PM -0600, Dave Rolsky wrote:
> > On Thu, 10 Nov 2005, jira0004 wrote:
> > 
> > > Generally, I think the thing to do would be to ask folks upfront to 
> > > reserve an amount of time with the minimum being 5 minutes and the 
> > > maximum being 30 minutes.
> > 
> > I'd say a max of 20.  30 is approaching full length talk time.  At that 
> > point you may as well go for 45 and just be the only presenter.
> 
> We're not conducting any other business at the meeting, so what's wrong
> with planning on up to 2 hours of presentation?  One presenter for 2
> hours,
> 2 for an hour each, or 6 at 20 minutes?
> 
> We just need to get started on time.
> 
> Perhaps another way to think about it is "Are the meetings going too long
> now?"  If we're ok on meeting length now, then there isn't much point in
> trying to get everybody finished quicker.  And if they are too long, is
> it
> because we're waiting too long to get started, or are the presentations
> taking too long?
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jim Anderson                    (612) 782-0456     jim at acadcam.com
> Anderson CAD/CAM, Inc           Lucifer designed MS-DOS to try
> 2500 Highway 88, Suite 108          men's souls.
> St Anthony, MN  55418           Then he had a better idea...
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From jira0004 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 10 16:28:36 2005
From: jira0004 at yahoo.com (jira0004)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:28:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Another lightning talk note
In-Reply-To: <20051110163200.A4659@acadcam.com>
Message-ID: <20051111002836.78332.qmail@web33903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I was okay with the long meeting last night with the
exception that someone was waiting for me.  If I knew
up front that we would be meeting for a couple of
hours, I'd be okay with that.

Do other folks like the idea of a longer meeting, or
would everyone rather keep it to one hour?

Regards,

Peter J.

--- Jim Anderson <jim at acadcam.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 10, 2005 at 04:21:38PM -0600, Dave
> Rolsky wrote:
> > On Thu, 10 Nov 2005, jira0004 wrote:
> > 
> > > Generally, I think the thing to do would be to
> ask folks upfront to 
> > > reserve an amount of time with the minimum being
> 5 minutes and the 
> > > maximum being 30 minutes.
> > 
> > I'd say a max of 20.  30 is approaching full
> length talk time.  At that 
> > point you may as well go for 45 and just be the
> only presenter.
> 
> We're not conducting any other business at the
> meeting, so what's wrong
> with planning on up to 2 hours of presentation?  One
> presenter for 2 hours,
> 2 for an hour each, or 6 at 20 minutes?
> 
> We just need to get started on time.
> 
> Perhaps another way to think about it is "Are the
> meetings going too long
> now?"  If we're ok on meeting length now, then there
> isn't much point in
> trying to get everybody finished quicker.  And if
> they are too long, is it
> because we're waiting too long to get started, or
> are the presentations
> taking too long?
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jim Anderson                    (612) 782-0456    
> jim at acadcam.com
> Anderson CAD/CAM, Inc           Lucifer designed
> MS-DOS to try
> 2500 Highway 88, Suite 108          men's souls.
> St Anthony, MN  55418           Then he had a better
> idea...
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From autarch at urth.org  Thu Nov 10 16:40:43 2005
From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 18:40:43 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Another lightning talk note
In-Reply-To: <20051111002836.78332.qmail@web33903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051111002836.78332.qmail@web33903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0511101839310.4404@urth.org>

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005, jira0004 wrote:

> I was okay with the long meeting last night with the exception that 
> someone was waiting for me.  If I knew up front that we would be meeting 
> for a couple of hours, I'd be okay with that.
>
> Do other folks like the idea of a longer meeting, or would everyone 
> rather keep it to one hour?

I don't think an hour is realistic (or necessary).  Even a 45 minute talk 
can easily go over an hour with discussion & Q&A.

I was suggesting that we limit ourselves to 2 hours.  Also, it'd be nice 
if folks could try to come on time.  I'd like to start at 7 instead of 
7:20.


-dave

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From gary.vollink at gmail.com  Fri Nov 11 06:24:51 2005
From: gary.vollink at gmail.com (Gary Vollink)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 08:24:51 -0600
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Another lightning talk note
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0511101839310.4404@urth.org>
References: <20051111002836.78332.qmail@web33903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0511101839310.4404@urth.org>
Message-ID: <d920f0f10511110624h2af3bbd5t24de29ce3b5cb95c@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/10/05, Dave Rolsky <autarch at urth.org> wrote:
>
> I was suggesting that we limit ourselves to 2 hours.

Two hours sounds good.

> Also, it'd be nice
> if folks could try to come on time.  I'd like to start at 7 instead of
> 7:20.

Here, here!

From ken at mathforum.org  Sat Nov 12 14:18:09 2005
From: ken at mathforum.org (Ken Williams)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 16:18:09 -0600
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Another lightning talk note
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.61.0511102010400.20393@localhost>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0511101359150.20589@urth.org>
	<Pine.NEB.4.61.0511102010400.20393@localhost>
Message-ID: <268679a22338be8b93c6a8ada3862b49@mathforum.org>


On Nov 10, 2005, at 2:15 PM, Ian Malpass wrote:

> I don't have a problem with stricter time limits, as long as they're
> applied to the talks, and not the Q&A afterwards. Or, rather, as long 
> as
> there's a separate time limit applied to the Q&A afterwards. And as 
> long
> as people then keep their questions until the Q&A, rather than asking 
> them
> mid-talk.

People could ask them mid-talk if someone brought a chess timer.

  -Ken


From gary.vollink at gmail.com  Sun Nov 13 11:39:49 2005
From: gary.vollink at gmail.com (Gary Vollink)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 13:39:49 -0600
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Another lightning talk note
In-Reply-To: <268679a22338be8b93c6a8ada3862b49@mathforum.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0511101359150.20589@urth.org>
	<Pine.NEB.4.61.0511102010400.20393@localhost>
	<268679a22338be8b93c6a8ada3862b49@mathforum.org>
Message-ID: <d920f0f10511131139w1563b758m19ebe2642c80335f@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/12/05, Ken Williams <ken at mathforum.org> wrote:
>
> On Nov 10, 2005, at 2:15 PM, Ian Malpass wrote:
>
> People could ask them mid-talk if someone brought a chess timer.
>

Nothing that a little Perl script couldn't handle.

>   -Ken
>
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From lecar_red at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 15 07:22:32 2005
From: lecar_red at yahoo.com (Lee Carmichael)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:22:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Another lightning talk note
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0511101359150.20589@urth.org>
Message-ID: <20051115152232.40643.qmail@web31402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello Everyone,

--- Dave Rolsky <autarch at urth.org> wrote:

> So folks are doing a pretty bad job at keeping them
> down to 10 minutes or 
> so.  I went way over in answering questions.

I went over too. Sorry about that.

> My question to the group is whether or not this is a
> problem. 

I think trying to stay within timeframes is a good
idea. For all the reason you listed, but as an
informal group and environment it is good for people
to ask questions (during and after talks). Also, being
too strict limits presenters chances to learn about
what they tried to do. But overall I would like to see
the talks stick to their times and have questions be
afterward and take more time if necessary. I would
prefer not to have time be a stopping point of a good
discussion.

> I was thinking of being more strict, and maybe even
> bringing a buzzer or 
> something like that.  Thoughts on this?

I think it works better if the presenter choose the
time they would like to be notified. I would prefer to
know when its halfway in so I can skip items that I
might not think is as necessary and still be able to
conclude in the given time. We still need something at
the end but how about a nice little egg timer. Also,
instead of Dave having to be "The Enforcer" we could
rotate it around so others can help. 

I like the idea that other came up with about choosing
your talk time up 20 minutes. This way we aren't
limited to only small talks.

Lastly, I think two hours is a good length of meeting,
unless we started having beer.

Take Care,

Lee



		
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From ken at mathforum.org  Wed Nov 16 09:15:57 2005
From: ken at mathforum.org (Ken Williams)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:15:57 -0600
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Another lightning talk note
In-Reply-To: <20051115152232.40643.qmail@web31402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051115152232.40643.qmail@web31402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ecd8c04452ad7b8bfd7ef9cb15130aea@mathforum.org>


On Nov 15, 2005, at 9:22 AM, Lee Carmichael wrote:

> I think it works better if the presenter choose the
> time they would like to be notified.

The speaker should also get to choose the manner of notification, the 
default being the firing of a Nerf bullet from a Nerf gun at his/her 
forehead.

  -Ken


From lecar_red at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 16 09:28:09 2005
From: lecar_red at yahoo.com (Lee Carmichael)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:28:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Another lightning talk note
In-Reply-To: <ecd8c04452ad7b8bfd7ef9cb15130aea@mathforum.org>
Message-ID: <20051116172809.31611.qmail@web31406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



--- Ken Williams <ken at mathforum.org> wrote:

> > I think it works better if the presenter choose
> the
> > time they would like to be notified.
> 
> The speaker should also get to choose the manner of
> notification, the 
> default being the firing of a Nerf bullet from a
> Nerf gun at his/her 
> forehead.

By everyone who brings a Nerf gun get a shot. I think
the kids have one laying around somewhere.

Better start practicing...

Take Care,

Lee


	
		
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From ian at indecorous.com  Wed Nov 16 09:30:29 2005
From: ian at indecorous.com (Ian Malpass)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:30:29 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Another lightning talk note
In-Reply-To: <ecd8c04452ad7b8bfd7ef9cb15130aea@mathforum.org>
References: <20051115152232.40643.qmail@web31402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<ecd8c04452ad7b8bfd7ef9cb15130aea@mathforum.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.61.0511161727390.7316@localhost>

On Wed, 16 Nov 2005, Ken Williams wrote:

> On Nov 15, 2005, at 9:22 AM, Lee Carmichael wrote:
>
>> I think it works better if the presenter choose the
>> time they would like to be notified.
>
> The speaker should also get to choose the manner of notification, the
> default being the firing of a Nerf bullet from a Nerf gun at his/her
> forehead.

...then I pull this lever, releasing the 16 ton weight.

Ian

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From dd at davedash.com  Fri Nov 18 16:41:00 2005
From: dd at davedash.com (Dave Dash)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 18:41:00 -0600
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Sharing session data between Mason and PHP
Message-ID: <694fa1450511181641u1ff3eb58rf7a2790dcddca080@mail.gmail.com>

We use Mason primarily for some of our sites, but there are a few
applications that run using PHP.

I'm not 100% familiar with how Mason does or can do sessions, I just know we
have some crazy %session hash tied into Apache::Session somehow that does
what we need it to.

What I'd like to do is be able to view a few variables that I set in Mason
in PHP's $_SESSION superglobal. THis seems theoretically possible. I know
when I create cookies using Mason (or rather CGI::Cookie I think) those
values get stored somehow and thenw hen I var_dump $_SESSION I can see them.

Hope that made sense and someone can help

-dd

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From autarch at urth.org  Fri Nov 18 17:05:11 2005
From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 19:05:11 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Sharing session data between Mason and PHP
In-Reply-To: <694fa1450511181641u1ff3eb58rf7a2790dcddca080@mail.gmail.com>
References: <694fa1450511181641u1ff3eb58rf7a2790dcddca080@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0511181905000.18006@urth.org>

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005, Dave Dash wrote:

> We use Mason primarily for some of our sites, but there are a few
> applications that run using PHP.
>
> I'm not 100% familiar with how Mason does or can do sessions, I just know we
> have some crazy %session hash tied into Apache::Session somehow that does
> what we need it to.
>
> What I'd like to do is be able to view a few variables that I set in Mason
> in PHP's $_SESSION superglobal. THis seems theoretically possible. I know
> when I create cookies using Mason (or rather CGI::Cookie I think) those
> values get stored somehow and thenw hen I var_dump $_SESSION I can see them.

This might be what you want: 
http://search.cpan.org/~miyagawa/PHP-Session-0.26/


-dave

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From twincitiesPM at toiletmonster.org  Fri Nov 25 14:17:18 2005
From: twincitiesPM at toiletmonster.org (twincitiesPM@toiletmonster.org)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 17:17:18 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Perl Jobs at Reuters (St Paul)
Message-ID: <1132957038.1031.248345019@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Hi!  Reuters (formerly Bridge) is hiring.  Reuters is a media and
financial news conglomerate based in London.  There are 7 full time job
openings here at the downtown St Paul development office.

I've personally been very happy working here as the development
environment is Perl/Unix/cvs/bugzilla/wiki and developers are often
given room to solve problems in their own way.  

Our office is a relatively small (40 people?) group which develops
backend financial data processes.  We use Perl for data collection,
parsing, and distribution processes.  We use Sybase for our database,
and most servers are Sun Solaris boxes.  Perl and SQL are the main
skills required, but mod_perl/Mason, C, and knowledge of bonds and fixed
income are also a plus.

In case any one is concerned, I didn't personally find any problems with
the intellectual property part of my contract.  But then I don't know
what the legal mumbo jumbo in your contract is going to look like.

Here is the official job description:

The qualified individual will be part of a team developing fixed income
information and analytics products.  The team is responsible for
enabling the core infrastructure for fixed income reference data, used
by internal and external Reuters content clients worldwide.  Successful
applicant will be responsible for the design, implementation, QA,
documentation, production release, and ongoing support and maintenance
of systems consisting of web applications, automated processes and
databases.

Job Specifications:
*         Demonstrated experience in all phases of software development
from design to release of production systems
*         Strong analytic thinking skills.
*         Familiarity with agile development techniques beneficial
*         Related degrees: Bachelors degree in computer science or
related field or equivalent experience
*         Required languages: 2+ years programming in C, C++ or Perl;
SQL (any variant)
*         Required products: 2+ years experience with UNIX or Linux
variant
*         Optional languages: XML, HTML, Java, Python, Ruby
*         Optional products: Sybase SQL Server, Apache, modperl, Mason,
CGI, Autosys, Bugzilla, Wiki, CVS
*         Optional knowledge: financial markets, specifically fixed
income instruments

Seven full-time positions, complete benefits package (health, dental,
vision, FSA, 401k), salary will be competitive and depend on experience.

Michael Smit is doing the hiring, so send him your resumes:
michael.smit at reuters.com.  Old timers might remember that he used to
show up at Perl Mongers meetings every once in a while back in the day.  

You can email me any questions you have about the job or about what
Reuters is like.  However, I'm going on vacation tomorrow and will be
out of the country for 2 weeks so I won't be able to respond for a
while.  I think that also means I'm going to miss the December Perl
meeting.

Have a good Thanksgiving weekend!



Eric

From autarch at urth.org  Tue Nov 29 12:31:30 2005
From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:31:30 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Soliciting lightning talks
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0511291430310.8657@urth.org>

The meeting is about 2 weeks out and I'm the only speaker listed.  We need 
some more or it's going to be a very very short tech meeting.


-dave

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From autarch at urth.org  Tue Nov 29 12:40:46 2005
From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:40:46 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Guests at next meeting
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0511291439140.8657@urth.org>

Some of the developers for Socialtext (my employer) will be in town for a 
dev face-to-face meeting (we all work remotely) so some (and maybe all) of 
them will be at the next meeting, and some will be presenting.


-dave

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From ian at indecorous.com  Tue Nov 29 21:39:09 2005
From: ian at indecorous.com (Ian Malpass)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 05:39:09 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Soliciting lightning talks
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0511291430310.8657@urth.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0511291430310.8657@urth.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.61.0511300538200.11383@localhost>

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, Dave Rolsky wrote:

> The meeting is about 2 weeks out and I'm the only speaker listed.  We 
> need some more or it's going to be a very very short tech meeting.

Well, I can have another stab at an Intro to OOP talk. Could most likely 
expand to fill however much time it needs to :)

Ian

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From twists at gmail.com  Wed Nov 30 10:35:59 2005
From: twists at gmail.com (Joshua ben Jore)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:35:59 -0600
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Soliciting lightning talks
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.61.0511300538200.11383@localhost>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0511291430310.8657@urth.org>
	<Pine.NEB.4.61.0511300538200.11383@localhost>
Message-ID: <dc5c751d0511301035h2eea4785gebdeb4d66c47f14d@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/29/05, Ian Malpass <ian at indecorous.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, Dave Rolsky wrote:
>
> > The meeting is about 2 weeks out and I'm the only speaker listed.  We
> > need some more or it's going to be a very very short tech meeting.

I'd like to talk a bit about delayed evaluation values being a way to
avoid extra work. Unless things go poorly and then I'll do something
else.

Josh

From dd at davedash.com  Wed Nov 30 10:50:16 2005
From: dd at davedash.com (Dave Dash)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:50:16 -0600
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Using Mason's $m from within a perl module
Message-ID: <694fa1450511301050h511f710fv1c81a4c41fa0a66a@mail.gmail.com>

Hey, I appologize in advance also if this isn't a good place to ask
perl/Mason questions.  I prefer it over the higher volume Mason lists, but
if this is the wrong place for it, I'd rather not step on people's toes.

Anyway,  I've got a perl module:

package Foo;


> our $m =  HTML::Mason::Request::instance;
>
sub login_required
> {
>     unless ($m->session->{'userid'}) {
>         $m->comp('login.mhtml');
>         $m->abort;
>     }
> }
>

but this always fails saying that $m isn't instantiated.  Everything works
fine if I define the $m locally within each sub, but that gets annoying.  I
thought our should scope to the entire package.  What's the propper way to
take this on?

Thanks
-d


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