From matt at omega.org Thu Feb 3 17:04:41 2005 From: matt at omega.org (Matthew Johnson) Date: Thu Feb 3 17:06:16 2005 Subject: [Mpls-pm] source in Subversion In-Reply-To: <41ED8D3F.30303@indecorous.com> References: <41ED8223.7060504@aptest.com> <20050118214511.GB21454@petdance.com> <41ED84CF.8000200@aptest.com> <41ED8D3F.30303@indecorous.com> Message-ID: So! I just installed subversion[1] built by MartinOtt[2]. What cool perlish source should I download to learn something new? [1] http://metissian.com/projects/macosx/subversion/ [2] http://homepage.mac.com/martinott/ From andy at petdance.com Thu Feb 3 18:44:04 2005 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Thu Feb 3 18:44:16 2005 Subject: [Mpls-pm] source in Subversion In-Reply-To: References: <41ED8223.7060504@aptest.com> <20050118214511.GB21454@petdance.com> <41ED84CF.8000200@aptest.com> <41ED8D3F.30303@indecorous.com> Message-ID: On Feb 3, 2005, at 7:04 PM, Matthew Johnson wrote: > So! I just installed subversion[1] built by MartinOtt[2]. What cool > perlish source should I download to learn something new? A number of Perl modules are hosted at http://svn.perl.org/modules, and the Phalanx project has source at http://svn.perl.org/phalanx. Why not join the Phalanx project? http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2005/01/13/phalanx.html xoa -- Andy Lester => andy@petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance From autarch at urth.org Tue Feb 8 11:05:32 2005 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Tue Feb 8 11:05:41 2005 Subject: [Mpls-pm] Social meeting tomorrow @ 7 PM Message-ID: Espresso Royale, 1229 Hennepin Ave Anyone want to give me a ride from Uptown? /*=================================================== VegGuide.Org www.BookIRead.com Your guide to all that's veg. My book blog ===================================================*/ From autarch at urth.org Wed Feb 9 13:29:54 2005 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Wed Feb 9 13:30:05 2005 Subject: [Mpls-pm] other people going and ride? Message-ID: Just a reminder that we're meeting tonight, and I want to check that others are planning on going, since we've not met for a while. Also, I still am looking for a ride from Uptown. -dave /*=================================================== VegGuide.Org www.BookIRead.com Your guide to all that's veg. My book blog ===================================================*/ From howlingwhale at yahoo.com Wed Feb 9 13:53:58 2005 From: howlingwhale at yahoo.com (Mark Mykkanen) Date: Wed Feb 9 13:54:10 2005 Subject: [Mpls-pm] other people going and ride? Message-ID: <20050209215358.37440.qmail@web50007.mail.yahoo.com> I'll try to make it. I'm coming from Woodbury so I may be late... Mark On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 03:29:54PM -0600, Dave Rolsky wrote: > Just a reminder that we're meeting tonight, and I want to check that > others are planning on going, since we've not met for a while. > > Also, I still am looking for a ride from Uptown. > > > -dave > > /*=================================================== > VegGuide.Org www.BookIRead.com > Your guide to all that's veg. My book blog > ===================================================*/ > _______________________________________________ > Mpls-pm mailing list > Mpls-pm@pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls-pm > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com From sieglerc at comcast.net Wed Feb 9 14:11:45 2005 From: sieglerc at comcast.net (Chris Siegler) Date: Wed Feb 9 14:11:58 2005 Subject: [Mpls-pm] other people going and ride? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050209221145.GA18396@localhost.localdomain> Dave Rolsky wrote: > Just a reminder that we're meeting tonight, and I want to check that > others are planning on going, since we've not met for a while. > > Also, I still am looking for a ride from Uptown. > > > -dave I'll be there! > > /*=================================================== > VegGuide.Org www.BookIRead.com > Your guide to all that's veg. My book blog > ===================================================*/ > _______________________________________________ > Mpls-pm mailing list > Mpls-pm@pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls-pm From gary.vollink at gmail.com Tue Feb 22 07:21:19 2005 From: gary.vollink at gmail.com (Gary Vollink) Date: Tue Feb 22 07:21:28 2005 Subject: [Mpls-pm] Introduction Message-ID: Hi, I'm new here. I noticed from the archives that this is a very low-traffic list, and I'm not sure if this is an ettiquette thing, or if there just isn't much discussion. So, if I'm breaking protocol, I'm sorry... I've been casually writing Perl for about eight years, using it for project work for four years, and just lately I'm starting to need to crack-open modules. Yesterday, I opened a module, ended up at the author's home page, landed at his Journal entry at 'use Perl' (where I opened an account: GAVollink), and found reference to Perl Mongers groups, and quickly found this one. I live in Shakopee, and work in Edina. One thing is... I've always done Perl in a vacuum. Besides occasionally reading module code, or someone else's program (through anonymous download)... I've had zero direct interaction with anybody who actually writes Perl, until now. Hi, I'm Gary... nice to meet you. From craig at wavefront.net Tue Feb 22 07:59:52 2005 From: craig at wavefront.net (Craig S. Wilson) Date: Tue Feb 22 08:00:07 2005 Subject: [Mpls-pm] Introduction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <421B56F8.80007@wavefront.net> Gary Vollink wrote: > Hi, I'm new here. I noticed from the archives that this is a very > low-traffic list, and I'm not sure if this is an ettiquette thing, or > if there just isn't much discussion. So, if I'm breaking protocol, > I'm sorry... Protocols are made to be broken. Just ask Micro$oft. And, they never apologize. Glad to meet you. > One thing is... I've always done Perl in a vacuum. Besides > occasionally reading module code, or someone else's program (through > anonymous download)... I've had zero direct interaction with anybody > who actually writes Perl, until now. It is obvious that you have never learned the secret wink and nod that Perl programmers give in public to ferret out others of our kind. Come to the meetings and you will have a chance to speak with others afflicted as you are. The meeting place and times are secret and randomized to prevent PHP'ers from discovering our whereabouts. Oh, alright, they are usually the second Wednesday of each month, usually at the Espresso Royale coffee shop on Hennepin Avenue in Minneapolis. Usually starting around 7:00PM, which is about bedtime for the PHP crowd anyway. Hope to see you there. -- --------------------------------------- Craig S. Wilson craig@wavefront.net WaveFront Communications, Inc. 1677 Lake Valentine Road Arden Hills MN 55112-2840 1.651.638.9594 1.612.865.8794 =============================== Note: If you send me HTML-mail, it will probably end up in my SPAM bucket. --------------------------------------- From perl at peknet.com Tue Feb 22 08:35:07 2005 From: perl at peknet.com (Peter Karman) Date: Tue Feb 22 08:35:27 2005 Subject: [Mpls-pm] Introduction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <421B5F3B.2070903@peknet.com> Hi Gary. I'm new to the list as well, so if we break protocol, at least we break it together. Does that constitute a new protocol? Probably 90% of my current work involves Perl. My educational background is in languages, so Perl had been a wonderful context to program in. A faily shallow learning curve, but a long, interesting (and ultimately powerful) curve to travel. It's nice to e-meet you. pek Gary Vollink wrote on 02/22/2005 09:21 AM: > Hi, I'm new here. I noticed from the archives that this is a very > low-traffic list, and I'm not sure if this is an ettiquette thing, or > if there just isn't much discussion. So, if I'm breaking protocol, > I'm sorry... > > I've been casually writing Perl for about eight years, using it for > project work for four years, and just lately I'm starting to need to > crack-open modules. Yesterday, I opened a module, ended up at the > author's home page, landed at his Journal entry at 'use Perl' (where I > opened an account: GAVollink), and found reference to Perl Mongers > groups, and quickly found this one. I live in Shakopee, and work in > Edina. > > One thing is... I've always done Perl in a vacuum. Besides > occasionally reading module code, or someone else's program (through > anonymous download)... I've had zero direct interaction with anybody > who actually writes Perl, until now. > > Hi, I'm Gary... nice to meet you. > _______________________________________________ > Mpls-pm mailing list > Mpls-pm@pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls-pm -- Peter Karman . http://peknet.com/ . peter@peknet.com From gary.vollink at gmail.com Tue Feb 22 09:42:55 2005 From: gary.vollink at gmail.com (Gary Vollink) Date: Tue Feb 22 09:43:05 2005 Subject: [Mpls-pm] Introduction In-Reply-To: <421B56F8.80007@wavefront.net> References: <421B56F8.80007@wavefront.net> Message-ID: Peter ... Thanks for your support! I don't think it qualifies as a new protocol - though you've got the education to tell - perhaps a protocol extension? Craig ... Thenks for the welcome... (read on) Craig wrote: > It is obvious that you have never learned the secret wink and nod that > Perl programmers give in public to ferret out others of our kind. Shucks, I knew there was some secret thing I didn't know. I'll probably be strung up because I have a tendancy of writing ANSI style (against the style guide, but more easily navigable in VI[M]). > Come to the meetings and you will have a chance to speak with others > afflicted as you are. The meeting place and times are secret and > randomized to prevent PHP'ers from discovering our whereabouts. Um, what if I know a little PHP (hawk, spit) as well? > Oh, alright, they are usually the second Wednesday of each month, > usually at the Espresso Royale coffee shop on Hennepin Avenue in > Minneapolis. Usually starting around 7:00PM, which is about bedtime for > the PHP crowd anyway. > > Hope to see you there. I'm hesitant, because it's - well - something different. I don't like things that are different. They scare me. Except technical things, different technical things don't scare me... and well, this is half way between social (*shudders*) and technical. O.K., really - I dislike going downtown, but I will make an effort. How many people usually attend these things? How do I avoid ending up on a one way road that forces me into a non-terminating loop that never quite gets me to the actual place of meeting? How would I know how to find the group, once on location - especially not knowing the wink and nod? What are the typical topics of conversation (hoping it's not American Idol - I get enough of that at work)? Hypothetically, what do you do to people who ask questions incessantly? Thanks, Gary Allen Vollink From mark.allen at shavlik.com Tue Feb 22 10:30:29 2005 From: mark.allen at shavlik.com (Mark Allen) Date: Tue Feb 22 10:42:46 2005 Subject: [Mpls-pm] Introduction Message-ID: <46D0AACFB6ED3A4882B57AFB93EF266F01CDE271@owa.shavlik.com> > Hypothetically, what do you do to people who ask questions incessantly? Hypothethically? They're diverted on to a mailing list with an Eliza-style email auto-responder. Also Craig has them revise and extend his XCP/IP Perl implementation. --Mark From matt at omega.org Thu Feb 24 17:34:42 2005 From: matt at omega.org (Matthew Johnson) Date: Thu Feb 24 17:35:08 2005 Subject: [Mpls-pm] Introduction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3dac97280e89a9f9787002778bd832cb@omega.org> Hi, I'm Matt Johnson. I'm a level four and have been with Mind Head for 5 years *ding*. (kidding) :) Nice to meet you, Gary. Please do come to our next meeting. At one time we has presentations on perlish topics, but that has waned of late. No reason to keep that vacuum you work in. You'll find us as bookish quiet technology types (mostly) that have many interests outside of perl (no, really?). I've been using perl for about 3 or 4 years but that is by no means continuously. I've been a professional software developer for 13 years and try to slip perl into my projects whenever I can. I mostly write in Makefile, C, PL/SQL and shell scripting (sh,ksh, and bash). Obviously perl is the ideal technology to replace shell scripts, so when there isn't a legacy system (or my clients can afford to throw it away), I use perl. What I like to do the most is set up software development systems for other programmers to use. A software developer developer if you will. This includes installing/building appropriate technologies for development as well as mentoring junior programers on software engineering. I've worked in the Financial, Retail and Healthcare industries and currently run my own business, MRJ Solutions, Inc. Have a great night Gary, and hope to see you next time. -Matt Johnson On Feb 22, 2005, at 9:21 AM, Gary Vollink wrote: > [snip] > I've been casually writing Perl for about eight years, using it for > project work for four years, and just lately I'm starting to need to > crack-open modules. Yesterday, I opened a module, ended up at the > author's home page, landed at his Journal entry at 'use Perl' (where I > opened an account: GAVollink), and found reference to Perl Mongers > groups, and quickly found this one. I live in Shakopee, and work in > Edina. > > One thing is... I've always done Perl in a vacuum. Besides > occasionally reading module code, or someone else's program (through > anonymous download)... I've had zero direct interaction with anybody > who actually writes Perl, until now. > > Hi, I'm Gary... nice to meet you. > [snip] From matt at omega.org Thu Feb 24 17:43:35 2005 From: matt at omega.org (Matthew Johnson) Date: Thu Feb 24 17:44:07 2005 Subject: [Mpls-pm] Introduction In-Reply-To: References: <421B56F8.80007@wavefront.net> Message-ID: On Feb 22, 2005, at 11:42 AM, Gary Vollink wrote: [snipt > O.K., really - I dislike going downtown, but I will make an effort. > How many people usually attend these things? How do I avoid ending up > on a one way road that forces me into a non-terminating loop that > never quite gets me to the actual place of meeting? How would I know > how to find the group, once on location - especially not knowing the > wink and nod? What are the typical topics of conversation (hoping > it's not American Idol - I get enough of that at work)? > Hypothetically, what do you do to people who ask questions > incessantly? We are the only largish group that meets at Expresso Royal so you will easily find us in the back drinking our latte/green tea/warm milk/whatever. We are the ones that have all the answers. When one that has all of the answers meet others with the answers, suddenly everyone forgets the question. You'll see. One caveat, parking is a pain, so plan on spending a extra few minutes to find a spot (unless you are partal to paying for it). -Matt From ken at mathforum.org Thu Feb 24 20:00:15 2005 From: ken at mathforum.org (Ken Williams) Date: Thu Feb 24 20:00:33 2005 Subject: [Mpls-pm] Introduction In-Reply-To: References: <421B56F8.80007@wavefront.net> Message-ID: <3f5b92dd5aa55e555685190e8f346225@mathforum.org> On Feb 24, 2005, at 7:43 PM, Matthew Johnson wrote: > One caveat, parking is a pain, so plan on spending a extra few minutes > to find a spot (unless you are partal to paying for it). Also, we tend to show up about an hour after we say we're going to show up. And in my case, we tend to bring our babies (though she's got more of a strict bedtime lately). -Ken