From shamu112 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 10 14:13:11 2005
From: shamu112 at yahoo.com (shamu112@yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 16:13:11 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Meeting tonight
Message-ID: <20050810211311.GA5536@shamu.hsd1.mn.comcast.net>

Anyone planning on showing up tonight?

-Mark


From twists at gmail.com  Wed Aug 10 15:08:58 2005
From: twists at gmail.com (Joshua ben Jore)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:08:58 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Meeting tonight
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On 8/10/05, shamu112 at yahoo.com <shamu112 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Anyone planning on showing up tonight?

Not me. I accidentally scheduled some door-conkering for this evening.

Josh

From autarch at urth.org  Wed Aug 10 15:10:18 2005
From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:10:18 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Meeting tonight
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On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 shamu112 at yahoo.com wrote:

> Anyone planning on showing up tonight?

Doh, already made plans.

For next month I could do a presentation if folks are interested.  I just 
did 3 at YAPC I can do here.


-dave

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From shamu112 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 10 15:46:58 2005
From: shamu112 at yahoo.com (shamu112@yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:46:58 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Meeting tonight
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On Wed, Aug 10, 2005 at 05:10:18PM -0500, Dave Rolsky wrote:
> For next month I could do a presentation if folks are interested.  I just 
> did 3 at YAPC I can do here.

That'd be cool.  Should we schedule Veritas again?

From autarch at urth.org  Wed Aug 10 15:48:27 2005
From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:48:27 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Meeting tonight
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On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 shamu112 at yahoo.com wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 10, 2005 at 05:10:18PM -0500, Dave Rolsky wrote:
>> For next month I could do a presentation if folks are interested.  I just
>> did 3 at YAPC I can do here.
>
> That'd be cool.  Should we schedule Veritas again?

Sure, paging Veritas ...


-dave

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From dworden at gmail.com  Wed Aug 10 16:21:10 2005
From: dworden at gmail.com (David Worden)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:21:10 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Meeting tonight
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Well,

Since I've been gone from VRTS (now SYMC) since April of 2004, someone
else will have to serve as your host.

I think Tim B. might still be on this list however.........

Regards,
--djw

On 8/10/05, Dave Rolsky <autarch at urth.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 shamu112 at yahoo.com wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Aug 10, 2005 at 05:10:18PM -0500, Dave Rolsky wrote:
> >> For next month I could do a presentation if folks are interested.  I just
> >> did 3 at YAPC I can do here.
> >
> > That'd be cool.  Should we schedule Veritas again?
> 
> Sure, paging Veritas ...
> 
> 
> -dave
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From ejseim at tech-pro.com  Wed Aug 10 16:25:35 2005
From: ejseim at tech-pro.com (Ehren J. Seim)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:25:35 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Meeting tonight
Message-ID: <FEE7BC7F7C2920488A1F9AAFED0259B62BBEC5@pmnmail2.tech-pro.com>

Plenty of room at Tech-Pro (right across the street from Veritas).  Hey,
we'd even buy pizzas & sodas for the entire group.  We have a conference
room that will hold 25-30 individuals.

Just a thought.

--Ehren

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Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 6:21 PM
To: Dave Rolsky
Cc: Mpls-pm at pm.org
Subject: Re: [Mpls-pm] Meeting tonight

Well,

Since I've been gone from VRTS (now SYMC) since April of 2004, someone
else will have to serve as your host.

I think Tim B. might still be on this list however.........

Regards,
--djw

On 8/10/05, Dave Rolsky <autarch at urth.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 shamu112 at yahoo.com wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Aug 10, 2005 at 05:10:18PM -0500, Dave Rolsky wrote:
> >> For next month I could do a presentation if folks are interested.  
> >> I just did 3 at YAPC I can do here.
> >
> > That'd be cool.  Should we schedule Veritas again?
> 
> Sure, paging Veritas ...
> 
> 
> -dave
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From autarch at urth.org  Wed Aug 10 23:01:41 2005
From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 01:01:41 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Meeting tonight
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On Wed, 10 Aug 2005, Ehren J. Seim wrote:

> Plenty of room at Tech-Pro (right across the street from Veritas).  Hey,
> we'd even buy pizzas & sodas for the entire group.  We have a conference
> room that will hold 25-30 individuals.

You can't beat free food.  I want a cheeseless pizza with lots of veggies 
(no mushrooms though) ;)


-dave

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From ken at mathforum.org  Thu Aug 11 05:16:04 2005
From: ken at mathforum.org (Ken Williams)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:16:04 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Meeting tonight
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On Aug 10, 2005, at 6:25 PM, Ehren J. Seim wrote:

> Plenty of room at Tech-Pro (right across the street from Veritas).  
> Hey,
> we'd even buy pizzas & sodas for the entire group.  We have a 
> conference
> room that will hold 25-30 individuals.
>
> Just a thought.
>

That would be cool.  Interestingly enough, I used to work for your CEO 
(and a little bit of data-entry work for Tech-Pro too) when I was a kid 
and the company was still being run out of his living room.

  -Ken


From ejseim at tech-pro.com  Thu Aug 11 05:31:20 2005
From: ejseim at tech-pro.com (Ehren J. Seim)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:31:20 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Meeting tonight
Message-ID: <FEE7BC7F7C2920488A1F9AAFED0259B62BBEC9@pmnmail2.tech-pro.com>

Done!  

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On Wed, 10 Aug 2005, Ehren J. Seim wrote:

> Plenty of room at Tech-Pro (right across the street from Veritas).  
> Hey, we'd even buy pizzas & sodas for the entire group.  We have a 
> conference room that will hold 25-30 individuals.

You can't beat free food.  I want a cheeseless pizza with lots of
veggies (no mushrooms though) ;)


-dave

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From shane at aptest.com  Thu Aug 11 06:35:53 2005
From: shane at aptest.com (Shane McCarron)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:35:53 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Meeting tonight
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In what possible world is cheeseless pizza considered food?

Ehren J. Seim wrote:

>Done!  
>
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>Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 1:02 AM
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>
>On Wed, 10 Aug 2005, Ehren J. Seim wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Plenty of room at Tech-Pro (right across the street from Veritas).  
>>Hey, we'd even buy pizzas & sodas for the entire group.  We have a 
>>conference room that will hold 25-30 individuals.
>>    
>>
>
>You can't beat free food.  I want a cheeseless pizza with lots of
>veggies (no mushrooms though) ;)
>
>
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From autarch at urth.org  Thu Aug 11 09:48:27 2005
From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:48:27 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Meeting tonight
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On Thu, 11 Aug 2005, Shane McCarron wrote:

> In what possible world is cheeseless pizza considered food?

That'd be the real world, not the strange little fantasy world _you_ live 
in ;)

Actually, cheeseless pizza can range from blah to good, depending on a lot 
of other things.  For example, at Punch it's damn good, cause their sauce 
& crust are fantastic.  At Spokes & Luce they have lots of non-dairy 
cheese-like things (made of various strange brews) which are good too.


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From autarch at urth.org  Thu Aug 11 22:03:55 2005
From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 00:03:55 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Pick a talk topic
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0508120002470.26270@urth.org>

Your choices are ...

1. Intro to Mason
2. Perl DateTime Project
3. Exception Handling, Logging, and Validation

I think I've done #1 and #3 before.  #2 includes some of the material from 
my long date & time in Perl talk, but focuses entirely on the Perl 
DateTime project modules.

They run about 45-60 minutes.


-dave

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From andy at petdance.com  Thu Aug 11 22:20:03 2005
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 00:20:03 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Pick a talk topic
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> 1. Intro to Mason
> 2. Perl DateTime Project
> 3. Exception Handling, Logging, and Validation

I love that you do it like we do it sometimes: One guy has his pet  
projects that he can talk about, and so floats the balloon to see  
which of them is most palatable this month. :-)

If I were coming up, I'd be most interested in them in the reverse  
order you've listed.  But I'm not, so never mind me. :-)

xoxo,
Andy

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From sieglerc at comcast.net  Thu Aug 11 23:18:03 2005
From: sieglerc at comcast.net (Chris Siegler)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 01:18:03 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Pick a talk topic
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Dave Rolsky wrote:
> Your choices are ...
> 
> 1. Intro to Mason
> 2. Perl DateTime Project
> 3. Exception Handling, Logging, and Validation
> 
> I think I've done #1 and #3 before.  #2 includes some of the material from 
> my long date & time in Perl talk, but focuses entirely on the Perl 
> DateTime project modules.
> 
The DateTime talk was very good. You did give it before though, I think 
just before you first gave it at YAPC (2 years ago?)

I vote for #3, although I'll show up regardless to eat free pizza (with 
cheese!)

From autarch at urth.org  Thu Aug 11 23:19:29 2005
From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 01:19:29 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Pick a talk topic
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On Fri, 12 Aug 2005, Chris Siegler wrote:

>> I think I've done #1 and #3 before.  #2 includes some of the material from
>> my long date & time in Perl talk, but focuses entirely on the Perl
>> DateTime project modules.
>>
> The DateTime talk was very good. You did give it before though, I think
> just before you first gave it at YAPC (2 years ago?)

This is a different datetime talk, though.


-dave

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From ian at indecorous.com  Fri Aug 12 07:20:51 2005
From: ian at indecorous.com (Ian Malpass)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:20:51 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Pick a talk topic
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On Fri, 12 Aug 2005, Dave Rolsky wrote:

> 1. Intro to Mason
> 2. Perl DateTime Project
> 3. Exception Handling, Logging, and Validation

For preference: 3, 1, 2.

Ian

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From ringert at consumption.net  Fri Aug 12 08:05:34 2005
From: ringert at consumption.net (Torleiv Flatebo Ringer)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:05:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Pick a talk topic
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I would love to hear the DatTime talk.

what you said

> Your choices are ...
>
> 1. Intro to Mason
> 2. Perl DateTime Project
> 3. Exception Handling, Logging, and Validation
>
> I think I've done #1 and #3 before.  #2 includes some of the material from
> my long date & time in Perl talk, but focuses entirely on the Perl
> DateTime project modules.
>
> They run about 45-60 minutes.
>
>
> -dave
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From shamu112 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 12 10:35:36 2005
From: shamu112 at yahoo.com (shamu112@yahoo.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:35:36 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Pick a talk topic
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0508120002470.26270@urth.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0508120002470.26270@urth.org>
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> 1. Intro to Mason
> 2. Perl DateTime Project
> 3. Exception Handling, Logging, and Validation

I second Andy's choice...3,2,1 contact!

What's new with the DateTime prez?

-Mark

From ian at indecorous.com  Fri Aug 12 10:42:57 2005
From: ian at indecorous.com (Ian Malpass)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:42:57 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Pick a talk topic
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On Fri, 12 Aug 2005, Dave Rolsky wrote:

> 1. Intro to Mason
> 2. Perl DateTime Project
> 3. Exception Handling, Logging, and Validation

Do you have slides/notes that work stand-alone for these that those unable 
to attend, or keen to get a taste of one of the talks that won't get done 
(or done until later)?

Ian

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From twincitiespm at toiletmonster.org  Fri Aug 12 11:01:49 2005
From: twincitiespm at toiletmonster.org (twincitiespm@toiletmonster.org)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:01:49 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Pick a talk topic
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i vote for 1, 3, 2.  but i'm interested in all 3.  maybe you could give
them all sometime?


On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 00:03:55 -0500 (CDT), "Dave Rolsky"
<autarch at urth.org> said:
> Your choices are ...
> 
> 1. Intro to Mason
> 2. Perl DateTime Project
> 3. Exception Handling, Logging, and Validation
> 
> I think I've done #1 and #3 before.  #2 includes some of the material
> from 
> my long date & time in Perl talk, but focuses entirely on the Perl 
> DateTime project modules.
> 
> They run about 45-60 minutes.
> 
> 
> -dave
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From autarch at urth.org  Fri Aug 12 20:58:21 2005
From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 22:58:21 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Pick a talk topic
In-Reply-To: <1123869709.21853.240571298@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0508120002470.26270@urth.org>
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On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 twincitiespm at toiletmonster.org wrote:

> i vote for 1, 3, 2.  but i'm interested in all 3.  maybe you could give
> them all sometime?

I can if there's interest.


-dave

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From ande2460 at umn.edu  Mon Aug 15 13:46:56 2005
From: ande2460 at umn.edu (Christopher Sean Anderson)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:46:56 CDT
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Pick a talk topic
Message-ID: <200508152046.j7FKkuuN018429@turbo.software.umn.edu>

Hey Dave,

Several of my colleagues (who are interested in joining Mpls-pm in Sep.)
and I would very much like to hear one of your excellent talks...especially
the 'DateTime' talk since it will be relevant to one of our upcoming
projects...

Just so I can pass on the correct info, is there now a definite When and
Where the talk will take place?

sorry guys if i missed the info in one of the emails...

thanks,

-csa

--------------------------------
Christopher "Sean" Anderson
University of Minnesota
ande2460 at umn.edu


From jira0004 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 15 14:32:31 2005
From: jira0004 at yahoo.com (jira0004)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 14:32:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Pick a talk topic
In-Reply-To: <200508152046.j7FKkuuN018429@turbo.software.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20050815213231.99748.qmail@web50407.mail.yahoo.com>

I am new to Minneapolis-PM, however, I agree with the
given suggestion for a talk on DateTime in Perl.  I
have used Perl extensively and have often had to work
with the issue of date time values, so getting some
additional input in efficient and accurate ways to
work with date time values in Perl would be great.

Please send the when and where to the list as I will
definitely attend.

Thanks much, Sincerely,

Peter Jirak

--- Christopher Sean Anderson <ande2460 at umn.edu>
wrote:

> Hey Dave,
> 
> Several of my colleagues (who are interested in
> joining Mpls-pm in Sep.)
> and I would very much like to hear one of your
> excellent talks...especially
> the 'DateTime' talk since it will be relevant to one
> of our upcoming
> projects...
> 
> Just so I can pass on the correct info, is there now
> a definite When and
> Where the talk will take place?
> 
> sorry guys if i missed the info in one of the
> emails...
> 
> thanks,
> 
> -csa
> 
> --------------------------------
> Christopher "Sean" Anderson
> University of Minnesota
> ande2460 at umn.edu
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Mpls-pm mailing list
> Mpls-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls-pm
> 


From Paul.Krcma at wellsfargo.com  Wed Aug 17 11:18:27 2005
From: Paul.Krcma at wellsfargo.com (Paul.Krcma@wellsfargo.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:18:27 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Perl Socket programming problem with Windows
Message-ID: <62A241694AF10942B423AB112D4588E04AE4ED@msgswbiadsm01.wellsfargo.com>


Hello,

I'm writing a TCP Server program that polls waits for socket connections
on a specified port.  The connection will be coming from a "black box"
test harness written in C#.Net.  The connection hand-shake design is as
follow:

Black Box requests to connect to the Server
Server responds back with a "Challenge" with a hardcode string
"1001|1000"
The Black Box reads the Challenge, then returns another request as
"1001|1100"
The Server will then processes the second request.

On my Server end, I can start the server and wait for connections. When
the Client makes a request to the Server, the Server accepts the
connections, but I can't read the data being sent. When I attempt to
read the data stream on the Server, it wait about 5 seconds, then the
Client hangs. I'm using IO::Socket and IO::Select, and I've tried read,
recv, <>, Open(filehandle), all attempts result with the same error.

Here's my Server code:

use IO::Socket qw(:DEFAULT :crlf);
#use IO::Socket;
#use IO::Socket::INET;
use IO::Handle;
use IO::Select;
use POSIX;
use Socket;
use Fcntl;
use Tie::RefHash;
use Net::Socket::NonBlock;
local($/) = LF;

# Setup global variables
$ViewServer = "M:\\paul.krcma_csm_test\\PaulsTest\\release1";
#$ServerName = 'EPWS3001';
$ServerName = 'RCSLMN10L3CNMW6';
$port_num = '8003';
$ReqId = "1000";
$client = "";

# Create socket object
$server = IO::Socket::INET->new('LocalPort' => $port_num,
				   'Proto' => 'tcp',
				   'Type' => SOCK_STREAM,
				   'Block' => 0,
				   'Listen' => 16,
                                   'Reuse' => 1)
    or die "Can't create socket ($!)\n";

%inbuffer = ();
%outbuffer = ();
%ready = ();

tie %ready, 'Tie::RefHash';
#nonblock($server);

   # Create a new IO::Socket Object
$select = IO::Select->new;
$select->add($server);
#my $select->add($socket);          # Add a Listener to the IO::Socket
object

print "Server listening\n";

# Wait for incoming requests, and open new sockets when needed
while (1) {
  $client;
  $rv;
  $data;
  $sn;
  foreach $client ($select->can_read()) {
    print "Creating TCPSocketListener\n";
    print "Checking for client = server\n";
    if($client == $server) {
      #my $new;
      # Level 1 If
        # Create a new socket and add the handles to the Select object
        $client = $server->accept();
        $select->add($client);
        $client->autoflush(1);
        $client->blocking(false);
        $ClientName = gethostbyaddr($client->peeraddr, AF_INET);

        #print "data is $rv{$client}\n";
        #print "New Socket opened\n";
          #print "Generating RequestId and sending Challenge to back to
Core\n";
          $buffer = '';
          $rv = recv($client, $buffer, 1024,0);     ###########  This
line causes the Client to hang  ######################
          &Generate_ReqId($ReqId);
          #print "Req ID = $ReqId\n";
          print "Reading data\n";
          #$sn = $client->send($ReqId);
          #while(<$client>) {
          #  chop $_;
          #  $data = $_;
          #}
          print "Data received is $data\n";
         #$SendPack = $ReqId."|1000\015\012";
         #$sn = $client->send($SendPack);
          #$client "$ReqId|1000";

      #print "Inside level 1 if\n";
      #print "Authorizing user\n";
      #print $new "$ReqId|0|";
      print "Leaving the client-server loop\n";
    }
    else {
      # Fork the incoming connection from the parent
      print "A separate connection\n";
      print "Packet is $packet\n";
      #&process_connection;
      $data = '';
      $rv = $client->recv($data, POSIX::BUFSIZ, 0);
       unless (defined($rv) && length $data) {
          # Client disconnected so do some cleanup
          print "Going to delete the buffers\n";
          print $client "OK";
          delete $inbuffer{$client};
          delete $outbuffer{$client};
          delete $ready{$client};
          $select->remove($client);
          close $client;
          next;
       }
       $inbuffer{$client} .= $data;

        #print "    Existing Connection\n";
        #print "Received Authentication string from Core\n";
        #print $rv{$client};
        #print "Sending Authentication approval back to Core\n";
        #print $client "$ReqId|0|";
        #&process_connection;
      while ($inbuffer{$client} =~ s/(.*\n)//) {
        print "building array of requests\n";
        push( @{$ready{$client}}, $1 );
      }
    }
    print "Outside If\n";
  }
  # Any complete requests to process ?
  foreach $client (keys %ready) {
    print "Handling a request\n";
    handle($client);
  }

  # Buffers to flush ?
  foreach $client ($select->can_write(1)) {
    print "Flushing the buffers\n";
    #next unless exists $outbuffer{$client};
    print "Sending information to the outbuffer\n";
    $rv = $client->send($outbuffer{$client}, 0);
    unless (defined $rv) {
        warn "I can't write\n";
        next;
    }
    print "Reading the length of the outbuffer\n";
    if ($rv == length $outbuffer{$client} ||
    $! == POSIX::EWOULDBLOCK) {
      print "Doing some stuff with the outbuffer\n";
      substr($outbuffer{$client}, 0 , $rv) = '';
      delete $outbuffer{$client} unless length $outbuffer{$client};
    }
    else {
      print "Cleaning up the flush buffers\n";
      delete $inbuffer{$client};
      delete $outbuffer{$client};
      delete $read{$client};
      select->remove($client);
      close($client);
      next;
    }
    print "Leaving Flush Buffers\n";
    #$select->remove($client);               
    #close $client;                                    
  }
  print "Leaving the Listener\n";
  #close $client or die "Can't close ($!)\n";
} die "Can't accept socket ($!)\n";


sub Generate_ReqId($Rid) {
  $ReqId++;
  return $ReqId;
}

sub handle {
  my $client = shift;
  print "Inside the Handle sub $client\n";
  my $request;
  foreach $request (@{$ready{$client}}) {
    print "Inside the request for loop $request\n";
    # put the text of reply into the $outbuffer{$client}
    $outbuffer{$client} .= $request;
    $packet = $outbuffer{$client};
    print "Packet is $outbuffer{$client}\n";
  }
  delete $ready{$client};
}

sub process_connection {
  print "Inside process_connection\n";
  #print $client "$.: $_";
  $CoreReqId = "";
  $ReqType = "";
  $CNNum = "";
  $ProjId = "";
  $CdPack = "";
  $CdPackLoc = "";
  #my $ClientName = gethostbyaddr($socket->peeraddr, AF_INET);
  #my $port = $socket->peerport;
  #print "[$ClientName $port]\n";
  # Once a client has been accepted, print out the client information
and the packet it sent
  while (<$client>) {
    $packetname = $_;
    print "Packet is $_\n";
    #print "[$ClientName $port] $_";
    #print $client "$.: $_";
    # Parse the packet
    # NOTE: Don't chop the packet.  The return character needs to remain
imbedded in
    # the packet to return back to the client
    ($CoreRegId,$ReqType,$CNNum,$ProjId,$CdPack,$CdPackLoc) =
split(/\|/,$packetname);
    print "$CoreReqId, $ReqType $CNNum $ProjId $CdPack $CdPackLoc\n";
    # Chop the last entry of the split string and join the CdPackLoc
with CdPack
    chop $CdPackLoc;
    $NewElement = $CdPackLoc.$CdPack;
    #$EndTime = `echo %time%`;
    #print "End Time = $EndTime\n";
    $select->remove($client);
    $client->close;
  }
}

The programmer for the Black Box side assures me that he is not putting
any special end-of-line characters in his output string.  I'm at a total
loss for what is going on here. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Paul Krcma
CMI Client/Server (EISS)
612-316-3712

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From shamu112 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 17 12:08:36 2005
From: shamu112 at yahoo.com (shamu112@yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:08:36 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Perl Socket programming problem with Windows
In-Reply-To: <62A241694AF10942B423AB112D4588E04AE4ED@msgswbiadsm01.wellsfargo.com>
References: <62A241694AF10942B423AB112D4588E04AE4ED@msgswbiadsm01.wellsfargo.com>
Message-ID: <20050817190836.GA2343@shamu.hsd1.mn.comcast.net>

Consult the Book of Armaments, chapter two, verses nine through twenty-one.

Read thy perldoc perlipc.

Incidentally, why 1024 in recv()?

- Mark

On Wed, Aug 17, 2005 at 01:18:27PM -0500, Paul.Krcma at wellsfargo.com wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I'm writing a TCP Server program that polls waits for socket connections
> on a specified port.  The connection will be coming from a "black box"
> test harness written in C#.Net.  The connection hand-shake design is as
> follow:
> 
> Black Box requests to connect to the Server
> Server responds back with a "Challenge" with a hardcode string
> "1001|1000"
> The Black Box reads the Challenge, then returns another request as
> "1001|1100"
> The Server will then processes the second request.
> 
> On my Server end, I can start the server and wait for connections. When
> the Client makes a request to the Server, the Server accepts the
> connections, but I can't read the data being sent. When I attempt to
> read the data stream on the Server, it wait about 5 seconds, then the
> Client hangs. I'm using IO::Socket and IO::Select, and I've tried read,
> recv, <>, Open(filehandle), all attempts result with the same error.
> ....clipped...
> 
> The programmer for the Black Box side assures me that he is not putting
> any special end-of-line characters in his output string.  I'm at a total
> loss for what is going on here. Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Paul Krcma
> CMI Client/Server (EISS)
> 612-316-3712
> 

From ian at indecorous.com  Wed Aug 17 14:36:46 2005
From: ian at indecorous.com (Ian Malpass)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 22:36:46 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Pick a talk topic
In-Reply-To: <93B9B281-6AFE-4E56-98C2-B304F284C2B7@petdance.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0508120002470.26270@urth.org>
	<93B9B281-6AFE-4E56-98C2-B304F284C2B7@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.61.0508172228560.18801@localhost>

On Fri, 12 Aug 2005, Andy Lester wrote:

>> 1. Intro to Mason
>> 2. Perl DateTime Project
>> 3. Exception Handling, Logging, and Validation
>
> I love that you do it like we do it sometimes: One guy has his pet
> projects that he can talk about, and so floats the balloon to see
> which of them is most palatable this month. :-)

Another take on it is to have a set of "Lightning Talks", which are five 
minute talks on some topic or other. It's a good way to get into the idea 
of talking about your perl work (or play) without the scariness of having 
to do a full-blown talk.

I could do one on RSS, if I actually get the project I'm working on moving 
again. Anyone else?

Ian

-
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

The soul would have no rainbows if the eyes held no tears.

Ian Malpass
<ian at indecorous.com>

From autarch at urth.org  Wed Aug 17 14:39:14 2005
From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 16:39:14 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Pick a talk topic
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.61.0508172228560.18801@localhost>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0508120002470.26270@urth.org>
	<93B9B281-6AFE-4E56-98C2-B304F284C2B7@petdance.com>
	<Pine.NEB.4.61.0508172228560.18801@localhost>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0508171638230.13516@urth.org>

On Wed, 17 Aug 2005, Ian Malpass wrote:

> Another take on it is to have a set of "Lightning Talks", which are five
> minute talks on some topic or other. It's a good way to get into the idea
> of talking about your perl work (or play) without the scariness of having
> to do a full-blown talk.
>
> I could do one on RSS, if I actually get the project I'm working on moving
> again. Anyone else?

I'd love for us to do lightning talks.  I can probably come up with one or 
two myself.

If there's interest we can schedule it for October.


-dave

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From gypsy at freeq.com  Wed Aug 17 14:44:50 2005
From: gypsy at freeq.com (Gypsy Rogers)
Date: 17 Aug 2005 21:44:50 -0000
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Pick a talk topic
In-Reply-To: <>
References: <>
Message-ID: <20050817214450.39801.qmail@ll.gypsy.org>


I'd actually show up for a talk on RSS, or Perl w/AJAX

It's been a couple years since I've been to a Perlmongers meeting though so
someone would have to give me directions. ;)

On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 22:36:46 +0100 (BST), Ian Malpass <ian at indecorous.com>
wrote :

> On Fri, 12 Aug 2005, Andy Lester wrote:
> 
> >> 1. Intro to Mason
> >> 2. Perl DateTime Project
> >> 3. Exception Handling, Logging, and Validation
> >
> > I love that you do it like we do it sometimes: One guy has his pet
> > projects that he can talk about, and so floats the balloon to see
> > which of them is most palatable this month. :-)
> 
> Another take on it is to have a set of "Lightning Talks", which are five 
> minute talks on some topic or other. It's a good way to get into the idea 
> of talking about your perl work (or play) without the scariness of having 
> to do a full-blown talk.
> 
> I could do one on RSS, if I actually get the project I'm working on moving 
> again. Anyone else?
> 
> Ian
> 
> -
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> The soul would have no rainbows if the eyes held no tears.
> 
> Ian Malpass
> <ian at indecorous.com>
> _______________________________________________
> Mpls-pm mailing list
> Mpls-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls-pm
> 
> 
> 

From Paul.Krcma at wellsfargo.com  Wed Aug 17 15:20:00 2005
From: Paul.Krcma at wellsfargo.com (Paul.Krcma@wellsfargo.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:20:00 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Perl Socket programming problem with Windows
Message-ID: <62A241694AF10942B423AB112D4588E04A2EDF@msgswbiadsm01.wellsfargo.com>

You know what? I gave up on user group email lists along time ago,
because of replies like your's. And here I was, thinking this email
group would be professional. Some things never change.

I just subscribed to this group. It's time to unsubscribe.




-----Original Message-----
From: mpls-pm-bounces at pm.org [mailto:mpls-pm-bounces at pm.org] On Behalf
Of shamu112 at yahoo.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 2:09 PM
To: Paul.Krcma at wellsfargo.com
Cc: mpls-pm at pm.org
Subject: Re: [Mpls-pm] Perl Socket programming problem with Windows

Consult the Book of Armaments, chapter two, verses nine through
twenty-one.

Read thy perldoc perlipc.

Incidentally, why 1024 in recv()?

- Mark

On Wed, Aug 17, 2005 at 01:18:27PM -0500, Paul.Krcma at wellsfargo.com
wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I'm writing a TCP Server program that polls waits for socket 
> connections on a specified port.  The connection will be coming from a
"black box"
> test harness written in C#.Net.  The connection hand-shake design is 
> as
> follow:
> 
> Black Box requests to connect to the Server Server responds back with 
> a "Challenge" with a hardcode string "1001|1000"
> The Black Box reads the Challenge, then returns another request as 
> "1001|1100"
> The Server will then processes the second request.
> 
> On my Server end, I can start the server and wait for connections. 
> When the Client makes a request to the Server, the Server accepts the 
> connections, but I can't read the data being sent. When I attempt to 
> read the data stream on the Server, it wait about 5 seconds, then the 
> Client hangs. I'm using IO::Socket and IO::Select, and I've tried 
> read, recv, <>, Open(filehandle), all attempts result with the same
error.
> ....clipped...
> 
> The programmer for the Black Box side assures me that he is not 
> putting any special end-of-line characters in his output string.  I'm 
> at a total loss for what is going on here. Any help would be
appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Paul Krcma
> CMI Client/Server (EISS)
> 612-316-3712
> 
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From ringert at consumption.net  Wed Aug 17 15:39:06 2005
From: ringert at consumption.net (Torleiv Flatebo Ringer)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 15:39:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Perl Socket programming problem with Windows
In-Reply-To: <62A241694AF10942B423AB112D4588E04A2EDF@msgswbiadsm01.wellsfargo.com>
References: <62A241694AF10942B423AB112D4588E04A2EDF@msgswbiadsm01.wellsfargo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0508171537400.5064@consumption.net>

Do you have the ability to sniff the packets that the client is sending?
Like using tcpdump or ngrep?

torleiv

what you said

> > Hello,
> >
> > I'm writing a TCP Server program that polls waits for socket
> > connections on a specified port.  The connection will be coming from a
> "black box"
> > test harness written in C#.Net.  The connection hand-shake design is
> > as
> > follow:
> >
> > On my Server end, I can start the server and wait for connections.
> > When the Client makes a request to the Server, the Server accepts the
> > connections, but I can't read the data being sent. When I attempt to
> > read the data stream on the Server, it wait about 5 seconds, then the
> > Client hangs. I'm using IO::Socket and IO::Select, and I've tried
> > read, recv, <>, Open(filehandle), all attempts result with the same
> error.
> >
> > The programmer for the Black Box side assures me that he is not
> > putting any special end-of-line characters in his output string.  I'm
> > at a total loss for what is going on here. Any help would be
> appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Paul Krcma
> > CMI Client/Server (EISS)
> > 612-316-3712
> >

-- 
As fast as it ever got, it never got fast enough for me.
  Hunter S. Thompson

From autarch at urth.org  Wed Aug 17 19:46:27 2005
From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:46:27 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Pick a talk topic
In-Reply-To: <20050817214450.39801.qmail@ll.gypsy.org>
References: <> <20050817214450.39801.qmail@ll.gypsy.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0508172146030.13516@urth.org>

On Wed, 17 Aug 2005, Gypsy Rogers wrote:

> I'd actually show up for a talk on RSS, or Perl w/AJAX

I can give a lightning talk on the JS/AJAX/Mason stuff I've done for 
vegguide.org


-dave

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From ttausend at gmail.com  Wed Aug 17 20:44:27 2005
From: ttausend at gmail.com (Troy E. Hove Tausend)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 22:44:27 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Perl Socket programming problem with Windows
In-Reply-To: <62A241694AF10942B423AB112D4588E04A2EDF@msgswbiadsm01.wellsfargo.com>
References: <62A241694AF10942B423AB112D4588E04A2EDF@msgswbiadsm01.wellsfargo.com>
Message-ID: <200508172244.28249.ttausend@gmail.com>

  I agree, you should have gotten a better worded response, but I suspect part 
of the reason you got the response you did is precisely because most of the 
people on this list are serious Perl programmers who know the language, 
modules and reference documentation very well and I'm afraid that it is quite 
apparent from your program sample that you have a lot to learn yet about 
programming in Perl.

  You are on the right track trying to use non-blocking recv(), but honestly 
this is the kind of thing were there is hundreds of cases of examples and 
working modules that can do this for you and have already addressed all the 
icky details that you probably haven't even really though about yet.

  You might try using perldoc to read perlipc as suggested by the first 
response.  I'd also recommend looking in the Perl CookBook, Learning Perl and 
Programming Perl books from O'Reilly.

  You also may want to look at Perl modules like Net::Server (available from 
CPAN : http://search.cpan.org/search?query=Net+Server&mode=all ) which will 
provide you with a working Networking Server leaving you free to focus on 
doing what you really need to do which is work out your protocol.

  Next time you post a question to a User Group list, you might try reading 
the following first and following the advice given, it will help you get the 
answer you want.  How To Ask Questions The Smart Way 
(http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html)

   Good luck with your program.

On Wednesday 17 August 2005 05:20 pm, Paul.Krcma at wellsfargo.com wrote:
> You know what? I gave up on user group email lists along time ago,
> because of replies like your's. And here I was, thinking this email
> group would be professional. Some things never change.
>
> I just subscribed to this group. It's time to unsubscribe.
>

From ian at indecorous.com  Thu Aug 18 10:56:18 2005
From: ian at indecorous.com (Ian Malpass)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:56:18 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Perl Socket programming problem with Windows
In-Reply-To: <62A241694AF10942B423AB112D4588E04A2EDF@msgswbiadsm01.wellsfargo.com>
References: <62A241694AF10942B423AB112D4588E04A2EDF@msgswbiadsm01.wellsfargo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.61.0508181603440.6219@localhost>

On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 Paul.Krcma at wellsfargo.com wrote:

> You know what? I gave up on user group email lists along time ago,
> because of replies like your's.

Why? So Mark's reply wasn't overly helpful. Troy chipped in later with 
more concrete help (Net::Server and other CPAN goodness being excellent 
suggestions for saving youself the hassle of reinventing the wheel).

> And here I was, thinking this email group would be professional.

"Professional" as in "sending a rather stroppy response to a post on a 
publicly archived mailing list using your corporate email address 
professional"?

But aside from that, "Minneapolis Perl Mongers is a user group for anyone 
interested in the Perl programming language"[0]. No-one ever said anything 
about professional. You'll get some helpful responses, and some less 
helpful ones. When asking for free help, you run the risk of getting what 
you paid for. Frustrating, I know, especially when mired in complex 
debugging.

You did post a lot of code, which is rather too much to take in without a 
lot of effort. Perhaps if you cut it down to a smaller test case it might 
be easier for people to grasp and debug. Help us to help you, etc.

> I just subscribed to this group. It's time to unsubscribe.

Perhaps. You came, you asked a question, you got an answer you didn't 
like. Feel free to throw your toys out of your stroller. Or you could stay 
and contribute and help make the group better. Everyone has their off 
days, and it would be a shame to lose a local perlmonger because of one 
post.

We reserve the right to reference Monty Python sometimes though.

Ian

[0] <http://minneapolis.pm.org/>

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Ian Malpass
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From ken at mathforum.org  Tue Aug 23 18:04:14 2005
From: ken at mathforum.org (Ken Williams)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 20:04:14 -0500
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Pick a talk topic
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0508172146030.13516@urth.org>
References: <> <20050817214450.39801.qmail@ll.gypsy.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0508172146030.13516@urth.org>
Message-ID: <f91662732543fb6461379c7d91b570ad@mathforum.org>


On Aug 17, 2005, at 9:46 PM, Dave Rolsky wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Aug 2005, Gypsy Rogers wrote:
>
>> I'd actually show up for a talk on RSS, or Perl w/AJAX
>
> I can give a lightning talk on the JS/AJAX/Mason stuff I've done for
> vegguide.org

That would be cool.

So is this for Sep. 7th or 14th?  I'd better get it on my calendar now, 
unfortunately, or else I'll never make it.

  -Ken


From autarch at urth.org  Tue Aug 23 21:45:45 2005
From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 23:45:45 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mpls-pm] Pick a talk topic
In-Reply-To: <f91662732543fb6461379c7d91b570ad@mathforum.org>
References: <> <20050817214450.39801.qmail@ll.gypsy.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0508172146030.13516@urth.org>
	<f91662732543fb6461379c7d91b570ad@mathforum.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0508232345270.15091@urth.org>

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005, Ken Williams wrote:

>>> I'd actually show up for a talk on RSS, or Perl w/AJAX
>> 
>> I can give a lightning talk on the JS/AJAX/Mason stuff I've done for
>> vegguide.org
>
> That would be cool.
>
> So is this for Sep. 7th or 14th?  I'd better get it on my calendar now, 
> unfortunately, or else I'll never make it.

I'm speaking on the 14th, but I was suggesting we do the lightning talks 
in October.


-dave

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