From rol at uhc.com Wed Jan 2 15:21:28 2002 From: rol at uhc.com (Roleigh Martin) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:30 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: does anyone know of a perl script to convert .cshrc file to .profile format? In-Reply-To: <15405.6708.552032.874270@celery.zuhause.org> References: <20011228163310.A14338@acadcam.com> <20011228095139.A13801@acadcam.com> <20011228232013.A6222@io.stderr.net> <20011228163310.A14338@acadcam.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020102151854.03fd2d40@polaris.uhc.com> Hi, does anyone know of a perl script to convert .cshrc file to .profile format? the tricky part of writing one for one's self is the path line - for instance in .cshrc it is: set path=(. /bin /usr/bin /etc /usr/ucb /usr/bin/X11 /usr/local/bin ${HOME}/bin ${HOME}/util /usr/c/CenterLine/bin /home/sybase/OCS-12_0/bin ${OEC_DCE_TOOLS}/bin ${U HC_DCE_TOOLS}/bin /sybooks/ibm/bin ) in .profile it is: PATH=.:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:${OEC_DCE_TOOLS}/bin:${UHC_DCE_TOOLS}/bin:~/.:/etc:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/local/bin:~/bin:~/exe:~/wdce/qstar/bin:~/wdce/qstar/bin/lib:/home/acro bat3/bin:/usr/lpp/db2_05_00/bin:/usr/lpp/db2_05_00/lib If anyone can point me to a script I'd be highly appreciative. thanks in advance Roleigh Martin -- Roleigh Martin, Rt. MN006-E200 Opinions are mine not UHG | Software Engineer Consultant AT&T voice: (952) 351-2204| UHG, HealthCare System Services AT&T vmail: (952) 351-2204| 9705 Data Park Drive Minnetonka MN 55343 Email: rol@uhc.com| As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error.-Weisert| -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/archives/mpls-pm/attachments/20020102/369aad85/attachment.htm From eric at urbanrage.com Wed Jan 2 16:00:29 2002 From: eric at urbanrage.com (eric) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: does anyone know of a perl script to convert .cshrc file to.profile format? References: <20011228163310.A14338@acadcam.com> <20011228095139.A13801@acadcam.com> <20011228232013.A6222@io.stderr.net> <20011228163310.A14338@acadcam.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020102151854.03fd2d40@polaris.uhc.com> Message-ID: <3C3382FD.58E96EDE@urbanrage.com> Roleigh Martin wrote: > > Hi, > > does anyone know of a perl script to convert .cshrc file to .profile > format? > > the tricky part of writing one for one's self is the path line - for > instance in > .cshrc it is: > > set path=(. /bin /usr/bin /etc /usr/ucb /usr/bin/X11 /usr/local/bin > ${HOME}/bin ${HOME}/util /usr/c/CenterLine/bin > /home/sybase/OCS-12_0/bin ${OEC_DCE_TOOLS}/bin ${U > HC_DCE_TOOLS}/bin /sybooks/ibm/bin > ) > > in .profile it is: > > PATH=.:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:${OEC_DCE_TOOLS}/bin:${UHC_DCE_TOOLS}/bin:~/.:/etc:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/local/bin:~/bin:~/exe:~/wdce/qstar/bin:~/wdce/qstar/bin/lib:/home/acro > bat3/bin:/usr/lpp/db2_05_00/bin:/usr/lpp/db2_05_00/lib > > If anyone can point me to a script I'd be highly appreciative. Don't have a script, but as a security note. If you are going to have . in your path put it last Eric -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From autarch at urth.org Tue Jan 8 00:11:04 2002 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: something on the 9th? Message-ID: I believe Ken suggested doing something on the 9th. Is there a plan for this? -dave /*================== www.urth.org we await the New Sun ==================*/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From ken at mathforum.org Tue Jan 8 00:41:04 2002 From: ken at mathforum.org (Ken Williams) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: something on the 9th? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tuesday, January 8, 2002, at 12:11 AM, Dave Rolsky wrote: > I believe Ken suggested doing something on the 9th. Is there a plan for > this? You reading my mind? I was just going to send something about this. Unless someone else has a better idea for location[1], let's meet at 7:30 on Wednesday the 9th at Barley John's brewpub in Roseville. You bring the cash, I'll bring the beer[2]. -Ken [1] I've learned my lesson about trying to change the time & date, so those should probably stay as stated. [2] Or show you where to get it. -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From siegler at visi.com Tue Jan 8 01:38:14 2002 From: siegler at visi.com (Chris Siegler) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: something on the 9th? In-Reply-To: ; from ken@mathforum.org on Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 12:41:04AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020108013813.A2619@localhost.localdomain> Ken Williams wrote: > > On Tuesday, January 8, 2002, at 12:11 AM, Dave Rolsky wrote: > > I believe Ken suggested doing something on the 9th. Is there a plan for > > this? > > You reading my mind? I was just going to send something about this. > Unless someone else has a better idea for location[1], let's meet at > 7:30 on Wednesday the 9th at Barley John's brewpub in Roseville. You > bring the cash, I'll bring the beer[2]. > Did you guys decide to more finely divide the workload on the Mason book? Like every other word or something? That would explain it. -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From dmblevins at mediaone.net Tue Jan 8 01:42:18 2002 From: dmblevins at mediaone.net (David Blevins) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: something on the 9th? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Guys, There seem to be just a few people posting on the list, how many people usually show up for a drink? I'd love to stop in and meet some of the Minneapolis Perl Mongers. I spoke at the O'Reilly Open Source/Perl Convention this summer and had the time of my life handing out with the Perl guys I met in the speakers lounge. Did anyone on this list manage to get out to San Diego for the Perl Conference 5? -David > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mpls@pm.org [mailto:owner-mpls@pm.org]On Behalf Of Ken > Williams > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 12:41 AM > To: mpls@pm.org > Subject: Re: [mplspm]: something on the 9th? > > > > On Tuesday, January 8, 2002, at 12:11 AM, Dave Rolsky wrote: > > I believe Ken suggested doing something on the 9th. Is there a plan for > > this? > > You reading my mind? I was just going to send something about this. > Unless someone else has a better idea for location[1], let's meet at > 7:30 on Wednesday the 9th at Barley John's brewpub in Roseville. You > bring the cash, I'll bring the beer[2]. > > > -Ken > > [1] I've learned my lesson about trying to change the time & date, so > those should probably stay as stated. > > [2] Or show you where to get it. > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list > > To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org > with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From ken at mathforum.org Tue Jan 8 02:25:00 2002 From: ken at mathforum.org (Ken Williams) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: something on the 9th? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <34D79728-0411-11D6-9A8D-003065F6D85A@mathforum.org> On Tuesday, January 8, 2002, at 01:42 AM, David Blevins wrote: > Hi Guys, > > There seem to be just a few people posting on the list, how many people > usually show up for a drink? Last time we had almost 20, I'd say. > I'd love to stop in and meet some of the Minneapolis Perl Mongers. I > spoke > at the O'Reilly Open Source/Perl Convention this summer and had the > time of > my life handing out with the Perl guys I met in the speakers lounge. That would be us. ;-) Dave Rolsky and I both spoke at OSCon this year too. I had the damnedest time reading anyone's name tag though, so I'd probably recognize your face but I won't put your name with it until you show up for drinks (or for the tech meeting we'll have at the end of the month). -Ken -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From dmblevins at mediaone.net Tue Jan 8 03:46:45 2002 From: dmblevins at mediaone.net (David Blevins) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: something on the 9th? In-Reply-To: <34D79728-0411-11D6-9A8D-003065F6D85A@mathforum.org> Message-ID: Great. On Tuesday, January 08, 2002, at 2:25 AM, Ken Williams wrote: > > Last time we had almost 20, I'd say. Wow, 20. Sounds like a good sized group. > > That would be us. ;-) Dave Rolsky and I both spoke at OSCon this year > too. I had the damnedest time reading anyone's name tag though, so I'd > probably recognize your face but I won't put your name with it until you > show up for drinks (or for the tech meeting we'll have at the end of the > month). I'll definitely show up on Wednesday. I'm terrible with names, I tried to learn them all but have since forgotten. I also met an overwhelming amount of people. You'll have to put up some kind of Perl sign or put a camel on the table or something so I can find you. -David -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From ken at mathforum.org Tue Jan 8 11:54:00 2002 From: ken at mathforum.org (Ken Williams) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: something on the 9th? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tuesday, January 8, 2002, at 03:46 AM, David Blevins wrote: > I'll definitely show up on Wednesday. I'm terrible with names, I tried > to > learn them all but have since forgotten. I also met an overwhelming > amount > of people. You'll have to put up some kind of Perl sign or put a camel > on > the table or something so I can find you. Will do. I used to be able to tell people to look for the young guy with no hair, but I've grown it back now so that doesn't work. -Ken -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From jim at acadcam.com Tue Jan 8 18:15:42 2002 From: jim at acadcam.com (Jim Anderson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: something on the 9th? In-Reply-To: ; from ken@mathforum.org on Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 12:41:04AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020108181542.A13830@acadcam.com> On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 12:41:04AM -0600, Ken Williams wrote: > You reading my mind? I was just going to send something about this. > Unless someone else has a better idea for location[1], let's meet at > 7:30 on Wednesday the 9th at Barley John's brewpub in Roseville. You > bring the cash, I'll bring the beer[2]. I'm planning to be there, however I'll be somewhat late. I have another meeting at 7pm to go to. Hopefully that won't take more than an hour or so. -- Jim Anderson (612) 782-0456 jim@acadcam.com Anderson CAD/CAM, Inc Lucifer designed MS-DOS to try 3800 Apache Lane NE men's souls. St Anthony, MN 55421 Then he had a better idea... -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From matt at omega.org Tue Jan 8 18:21:09 2002 From: matt at omega.org (Matt Johnson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: mrj is in. was: [mplspm]: something on the 9th? Message-ID: <0114d5519000912FE1@mail1.mn.rr.com> I'm in on Wednesday as well. -Matt Johnson The following message was sent by "Ken Williams" on Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:54:00 -0600. > > On Tuesday, January 8, 2002, at 03:46 AM, David Blevins wrote: > > I'll definitely show up on Wednesday. I'm terrible with names, I tried > > > to > > learn them all but have since forgotten. I also met an overwhelming > > > amount > > of people. You'll have to put up some kind of Perl sign or put a camel [snip] -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From jim at acadcam.com Wed Jan 9 09:32:17 2002 From: jim at acadcam.com (Jim Anderson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: something on the 9th? In-Reply-To: ; from ken@mathforum.org on Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 12:41:04AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020109093217.B15907@acadcam.com> On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 12:41:04AM -0600, Ken Williams wrote: > You reading my mind? I was just going to send something about this. > Unless someone else has a better idea for location[1], let's meet at > 7:30 on Wednesday the 9th at Barley John's brewpub in Roseville. You > bring the cash, I'll bring the beer[2]. As I was there last night, I made reservations for a generous dozen. At this point, the reservation is in my name, but I'll probably change it to Perl Mongers when I stop by about 5:30 or 6 tonight. -- Jim Anderson (612) 782-0456 jim@acadcam.com Anderson CAD/CAM, Inc Lucifer designed MS-DOS to try 3800 Apache Lane NE men's souls. St Anthony, MN 55421 Then he had a better idea... -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From thomas at stderr.net Wed Jan 9 09:42:48 2002 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: something on the 9th? In-Reply-To: ; from ken@mathforum.org on Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 12:41:04AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020109164247.A19060@io.stderr.net> On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 12:41:04AM -0600, Ken Williams wrote: > > On Tuesday, January 8, 2002, at 12:11 AM, Dave Rolsky wrote: > > I believe Ken suggested doing something on the 9th. Is there a plan for > > this? > > You reading my mind? I was just going to send something about this. > Unless someone else has a better idea for location[1], let's meet at > 7:30 on Wednesday the 9th at Barley John's brewpub in Roseville. You > bring the cash, I'll bring the beer[2]. I'll be the one drinking the beer then! So count me in as showing up. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From autarch at urth.org Wed Jan 9 14:12:47 2002 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: [Perl Jobs] Perl/Pro*C Developer (onsite), United States, MN, Minneapolis (fwd) Message-ID: I suspect this might be at Digital River but I'll forward it anyway... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 9 Jan 2002 19:37:45 -0000 From: Perl Jobs To: jobs@perl.org Subject: [Perl Jobs] Perl/Pro*C Developer (onsite), United States, MN, Minneapolis Online URL for this job: http://jobs.perl.org/job/192 To subscribe to this list, send mail to jobs-subscribe@perl.org. To unsubscribe, send mail to jobs-unsubscribe@perl.org. Posted: January 8, 2002 Job title: Perl/Pro*C Developer Company name: TeamExcel Location: United States, MN, Minneapolis Pay rate: $30-$35/hour Travel: 0% Terms of employment: Hourly employee Length of employment: 6 Months Hours: Full time Onsite: yes Description: Resources will need to be fluent in combination of skills --- most notably C (Pro*C ideal), Unix, PERL scripting, and Oracle DBMS. Additional Responsibilities: Will need strong coding and analytical skills. Resources will be used for design work as well as serious coding. Required skills: Requested Skill: UNIX - PERL Years of Experience: 3 Requested Skill: UNIX - PRO C Years of Experience: 4 Requested Skill: UNIX - Shell Scripts Years of Exp: 3 Requested Skill: DB - ORACLE RDBMS Years of Exp: 3 Desired skills: Preferred Skills: In addition to C/Unix and PERL coding, ideal candidate will be knowledgable and familiar with Oracle. Additional skills would include Unix Sys admin background and possibly Java. Socket programming experience also a plus. Need strong Perl coders. URL for more information: http://team-excel.net/ Contact information: Roxane Brock rbrock@team-excel.net 952-921-5855 -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From bruce at zuhause.mn.org Wed Jan 9 14:21:30 2002 From: bruce at zuhause.mn.org (Bruce Albrecht) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: [Perl Jobs] Perl/Pro*C Developer (onsite), United States, MN, Minneapolis (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15420.42570.977620.690852@celery.zuhause.org> Is this typical wages for a C/Perl/SQL contract programmer these days? This works out to be $60k-$70k/yr if full time, and it sounds like they're really looking for someone with more like 5-10 years experience. Dave Rolsky writes: > I suspect this might be at Digital River but I'll forward it anyway... > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: 9 Jan 2002 19:37:45 -0000 > From: Perl Jobs > To: jobs@perl.org > Subject: [Perl Jobs] Perl/Pro*C Developer (onsite), United States, MN, > Minneapolis > > Online URL for this job: http://jobs.perl.org/job/192 > > To subscribe to this list, send mail to jobs-subscribe@perl.org. > To unsubscribe, send mail to jobs-unsubscribe@perl.org. > > Posted: January 8, 2002 > > Job title: Perl/Pro*C Developer > > Company name: TeamExcel > > Location: United States, MN, Minneapolis > > Pay rate: $30-$35/hour > > Travel: 0% > > Terms of employment: Hourly employee > > Length of employment: 6 Months > > Hours: Full time > > Onsite: yes > > Description: > Resources will need to be fluent in combination of skills --- most notably > C (Pro*C ideal), Unix, PERL > scripting, and Oracle DBMS. Additional Responsibilities: Will need strong > coding and analytical skills. Resources will be used for design work as > well as serious coding. > > > > Required skills: > Requested Skill: UNIX - PERL Years of Experience: 3 > Requested Skill: UNIX - PRO C Years of Experience: 4 > Requested Skill: UNIX - Shell Scripts Years of Exp: 3 > Requested Skill: DB - ORACLE RDBMS Years of Exp: 3 > > > Desired skills: > Preferred Skills: In addition to C/Unix and PERL coding, ideal candidate > will be knowledgable and familiar with Oracle. Additional skills would > include Unix Sys admin background and possibly Java. Socket programming > experience also a plus. Need strong Perl coders. > > > URL for more information: http://team-excel.net/ > > Contact information: > Roxane Brock > rbrock@team-excel.net > 952-921-5855 > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list > > To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org > with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From autarch at urth.org Wed Jan 9 14:34:01 2002 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: [Perl Jobs] Perl/Pro*C Developer (onsite), United States, MN, Minneapolis (fwd) In-Reply-To: <15420.42570.977620.690852@celery.zuhause.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, Bruce Albrecht wrote: > Is this typical wages for a C/Perl/SQL contract programmer these days? > This works out to be $60k-$70k/yr if full time, and it sounds like > they're really looking for someone with more like 5-10 years > experience. I'm not sure where you get 5-10 years there? I see 3-4. But how much more that 60-70k/year would you expect? Maybe a little more but I guess I wouldn't expect more than 80-90k max. I'm pretty sure this not 1099 work, so it seems a bit low but not unreasonable. -dave /*================== www.urth.org we await the New Sun ==================*/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From bruce at zuhause.mn.org Wed Jan 9 14:40:16 2002 From: bruce at zuhause.mn.org (Bruce Albrecht) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: [Perl Jobs] Perl/Pro*C Developer (onsite), United States, MN, Minneapolis (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: <15420.42570.977620.690852@celery.zuhause.org> Message-ID: <15420.43696.94147.651302@celery.zuhause.org> Dave Rolsky writes: > On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, Bruce Albrecht wrote: > > > Is this typical wages for a C/Perl/SQL contract programmer these days? > > This works out to be $60k-$70k/yr if full time, and it sounds like > > they're really looking for someone with more like 5-10 years > > experience. > > I'm not sure where you get 5-10 years there? I see 3-4. But how much > more that 60-70k/year would you expect? Maybe a little more but I guess I > wouldn't expect more than 80-90k max. I'm pretty sure this not 1099 work, > so it seems a bit low but not unreasonable. They say 3-4 minimum, but when you include the "ideal candidate" skills to include design skills, C, Perl, Java, Oracle, sysadmin, you're surely not talking about someone with just 3 years experience. Maybe $60k is reasonable for someone with just 3 years experience, but I would expect something at least in the 80's for their ideal candidate. -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From ken at mathforum.org Wed Jan 9 14:56:23 2002 From: ken at mathforum.org (Ken Williams) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: [Perl Jobs] Perl/Pro*C Developer (onsite), United States, MN, Minneapolis (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <57348A40-0543-11D6-ABC2-003065F6D85A@mathforum.org> > On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, Bruce Albrecht wrote: > >> Is this typical wages for a C/Perl/SQL contract programmer these days? >> This works out to be $60k-$70k/yr if full time, and it sounds like >> they're really looking for someone with more like 5-10 years >> experience. > $30/hr is considerably less than $60k/yr. Someone working hourly wages will need to pay for their own health benefits and taxes, so that the take-home pay is much much lower. I agree with Bruce, this pay of $30-$35/hr seems quite low. -Ken -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From bruce at zuhause.mn.org Wed Jan 9 15:03:42 2002 From: bruce at zuhause.mn.org (Bruce Albrecht) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: [Perl Jobs] Perl/Pro*C Developer (onsite), United States, MN, Minneapolis (fwd) In-Reply-To: <57348A40-0543-11D6-ABC2-003065F6D85A@mathforum.org> References: <57348A40-0543-11D6-ABC2-003065F6D85A@mathforum.org> Message-ID: <15420.45102.415490.337643@celery.zuhause.org> Ken Williams writes: > $30/hr is considerably less than $60k/yr. Someone working hourly wages > will need to pay for their own health benefits and taxes, so that the > take-home pay is much much lower. I agree with Bruce, this pay of > $30-$35/hr seems quite low. Yes, I was just figuring gross income. $30/hr is probably closer to a $45k-$50k FTE position. It was my impression that my contractor friends were making at least $50-60/hr in 2000 and early 2001, so I was wondering if the going rate had really dropped to nearly half of last year's rates. My friends mostly have a lot more than 3-4 years experience, though. -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From autarch at urth.org Wed Jan 9 15:04:01 2002 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: [Perl Jobs] Perl/Pro*C Developer (onsite), United States, MN, Minneapolis (fwd) In-Reply-To: <57348A40-0543-11D6-ABC2-003065F6D85A@mathforum.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, Ken Williams wrote: > $30/hr is considerably less than $60k/yr. Someone working hourly wages > will need to pay for their own health benefits and taxes, so that the > take-home pay is much much lower. I agree with Bruce, this pay of > $30-$35/hr seems quite low. They only need to pay all that if they're a 1099 employee (a subcontractor). If they're a W-2 employee of the contracting company, they don't need to pay all their taxes and most contracting companies offer benefits. In which case the pay is low, but not horribly so. For a 1099 job, it sucks. For a W-2 job, it only sorta sucks. -dave /*================== www.urth.org we await the New Sun ==================*/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From autarch at urth.org Wed Jan 9 15:19:53 2002 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: [Perl Jobs] Perl/Pro*C Developer (onsite), United States, MN, Minneapolis (fwd) In-Reply-To: <15420.45102.415490.337643@celery.zuhause.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, Bruce Albrecht wrote: > Yes, I was just figuring gross income. $30/hr is probably closer to a > $45k-$50k FTE position. It was my impression that my contractor > friends were making at least $50-60/hr in 2000 and early 2001, so I > was wondering if the going rate had really dropped to nearly half of > last year's rates. My friends mostly have a lot more than 3-4 years > experience, though. There is some serious confusion here about what "contracting" means. There are 2 kinds: 1099. You are your own employee. you pay your own benefits and all of your taxes. You are not employed by anyone but yourself. W-2. You are an employee of the contracting company (in this case Team Excel). Your employer (Team Excel) pays part of your taxes and may (most do) offer benefits including health plans, 401k, vacation, etc. Usually these kick in after a certain number of months as an employee (about 2-3 for most places, I think). So, your contracting friends who were amking 50-60/hr were _probably_ 1099 employees. You can figure that's equivalent to about 75-85k/yr FTE. But if they were making 50-60/hr as W-2 employees, that'd be more like 100-120k/year! FWIW, I was making 70/hr as a 1099 employee in 2000 and 2001. I could probably could have made more (but I liked the contract gig I had at the time) if I'd been more aggressive in looking for jobs. I could probably _still_ go out and make around that much for contracting. But this is all 1099. I definitely would not expect 70/hr as a W-2 employee of a contracting company. For that type of work, I'd probably ask for about 40/hour. And finally, I've talked to the Excel folks in the past and I'm 99.9% sure they do W-2 stuff. Some places will also consider doing 1099 as well (in which case you're basically subcontracting to them instead of being their employee). -dave /*================== www.urth.org we await the New Sun ==================*/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From qglex at yahoo.com Wed Jan 9 16:17:50 2002 From: qglex at yahoo.com (Jeff Gleixner) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Perl Jobs in Mpls/St. Paul area In-Reply-To: <15420.42570.977620.690852@celery.zuhause.org> Message-ID: <20020109221750.10740.qmail@web21106.mail.yahoo.com> On the subject of Perl related jobs in Minneapolis/St. Paul, if anyone has an opening for an experienced person who is highly skilled in Perl, Apache, SQL, HTML Design, Javascript, Unix, etc. let me know and I'll send you my resume. I recently was layed-off from Qwest, where I led the development of qwest.net, using Apache & mod_perl, Mason, MySQL, on FreeBSD. Thanks -Jeff __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From thomas at stderr.net Wed Jan 9 16:22:26 2002 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Perl Jobs in Mpls/St. Paul area In-Reply-To: <20020109221750.10740.qmail@web21106.mail.yahoo.com>; from qglex@yahoo.com on Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 02:17:50PM -0800 References: <15420.42570.977620.690852@celery.zuhause.org> <20020109221750.10740.qmail@web21106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020109232225.A23717@io.stderr.net> On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 02:17:50PM -0800, Jeff Gleixner wrote: > On the subject of Perl related jobs in Minneapolis/St. > Paul, if anyone has an opening for an experienced > person who is highly skilled in Perl, Apache, SQL, > HTML Design, Javascript, Unix, etc. let me know and > I'll send you my resume. > > I recently was layed-off from Qwest, where I led the > development of qwest.net, using Apache & mod_perl, > Mason, MySQL, on FreeBSD. I was basically looking for 6 months before I found my current position. I never saw anyone looking for mod_perl/Apache skills and almost no Perl jobs. :-/ -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From morr0209 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jan 9 16:32:43 2002 From: morr0209 at tc.umn.edu (Trevor Morris) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Perl Jobs in Mpls/St. Paul area In-Reply-To: <20020109232225.A23717@io.stderr.net> References: <20020109221750.10740.qmail@web21106.mail.yahoo.com> <15420.42570.977620.690852@celery.zuhause.org> <20020109221750.10740.qmail@web21106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20020109173243.008dbcd0@morr0209.email.umn.edu> >I was basically looking for 6 months before I found my current position. >I never saw anyone looking for mod_perl/Apache skills and almost no Perl >jobs. I recently moved from MN to DC to start a job after college. Let me tell you, the job market out here has barely slowed down. Probably the one area in the country still good for IT jobs. Every job is tied to the govt, which means job security with everything that will be going on in the next few years. Massive hiring will be going on. If you guys are citizensa and are willing to get a security clearance, this is the place. Trevor -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From ken at mathforum.org Wed Jan 9 18:49:39 2002 From: ken at mathforum.org (Ken Williams) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Perl Jobs in Mpls/St. Paul area In-Reply-To: <20020109221750.10740.qmail@web21106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wednesday, January 9, 2002, at 04:17 PM, Jeff Gleixner wrote: > I recently was layed-off from Qwest, where I led the > development of qwest.net, using Apache & mod_perl, > Mason, MySQL, on FreeBSD. Wow, qwest.net uses Mason & MySQL? That's cool. You suppose they'd be interested in putting something up on http://www.masonhq.com/about/sites.html ? Can't hurt to ask. ;-) -Ken -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From thomas at stderr.net Wed Jan 9 22:13:00 2002 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: pictures from today's meeting Message-ID: <20020110051300.B23717@io.stderr.net> I took a few pictures from today's meeting and they're online at: http://photos.eibner.dk/mpls.pm/2002-01-09/ Sadly, I'm not good with names, and there were terribly many Dav(e|id)'s there, so please mail me so I can put names on the pictures. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From djb at tc.umn.edu Thu Jan 10 09:23:56 2002 From: djb at tc.umn.edu (Dave Bianchi) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Fwd: TCSA meeting January 17 Message-ID: <3C3DB20C.5A5C4244@tc.umn.edu> This is a one-time posting, directed at sysadmin types that might be on the list (like me). -------- Original Message -------- Subject: TCSA meeting January 17 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:46:22 -0600 From: Dave Bianchi To: TCSA@list.onvoy.com The Twin Cities System Administrators (TCSA) group meets monthly to discuss topics of interest to system and network administrators in the Twin Cities area of Minnesota. The meetings are free and open to the public. Check out our web site at http://www.tcsa.org/ TCSA meetings are on the third Thursday of each month at 7:00 pm. Next Meeting: Topic: LISA 2001 Conference Highlights Speaker: LISA 2001 Conference Attendees Date/Time: January 17, 2002 7:00 pm Location: University Park Plaza Office Building (Onvoy) Synopsis: TCSA members that attended LISA 2001 in San Diego in December will provide the group with a review of the highlights from the conference. Topics of interest include: Certification, SAGE Board news, and an invited talk about CNN.com on Sep 11. We will meet at University Park Plaza Office Building (Onvoy office), 2829 University Ave. SE, in a conference room on the first floor of the building. Tentative Meeting Schedule February 21, 2002 - SANs, Brocade March 21, 2002 Directions: Directions to University Park Plaza (Onvoy): The Onvoy office is at University Park Plaza Office Building, 2829 University Ave. SE. It is a white-concrete, 9-story, hexagonal building (previously occupied by Group Health). The windows are distinctive, shaped somewhat like TV screens. University Park Plaza is on the north side of University Ave. (across from the Octopus Car Wash), about 3 blocks east of the intersection of Washington Ave. and University Ave. or about 3 blocks west of KSTP-TV. - From the South (35W) Proceed north on 35W, exiting onto Interstate 94 East. Continue in the far left lane on Interstate 94 East to the Highway 280 exit. Remain on Highway 280 until University Ave. Turn left on University, proceed 7 blocks west to SE 29th Ave. The building is on your right. - From the North (35W) Proceed south on 35W, exiting onto Highway 280 South. Continue on Highway 280 until the University Ave. exit. Turn right on University. Continue 7 blocks west to SE 29th Ave. The building is on your right. - From the West (94/394) Proceed east on 94, cross the Mississippi river and continue in the far left lane on Interstate 94 East to the Highway 280 exit. Remain on Highway 280 until University Ave. Turn left on University, proceed 7 blocks west to SE 29th Ave. The building is on your right. - From the East (94) Proceed west on 94, continue in the far right lane to the Highway 280 exit. Remain on Highway 280 until University Ave. Turn left onto University, proceed 7 blocks to SE 29th St. The building is on your right. - Parking Free parking is available in the visitor lot off SE 29th Ave. and in front of the building along University Ave. - Web map is at: http://www.onvoy.com/about_offices_upp.html For more information on TCSA, check out our web site: http://www.tcsa.org/ To subscribe to the TCSA or TCSA-JOBS mailing lists, follow the TCSA or TCSA-JOBS link from: http://list.onvoy.com/ For any other information, please send email to: info@tcsa.org or contact: Dave Bianchi 651-260-1770 -- Dave Bianchi Collective Technologies djb@colltech.com A Pencom Company djb@tc.umn.edu http://www.colltech.com/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From jim at acadcam.com Thu Jan 10 14:27:40 2002 From: jim at acadcam.com (Jim Anderson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Wireless Internet Message-ID: <02011014274003.09602@hal> At the meeting last night, somebody asked me to post a link to the Worldcom Wireless Internet site. The URL is http://www1.worldcom.com/us/products/access/broadband/wireless/ -- Jim Anderson (612) 782-0456 jim@acadcam.com Anderson CAD/CAM, Inc Lucifer designed MS-DOS to try 3800 Apache Lane NE men's souls. St Anthony, MN 55421 Then he had a better idea... -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From robwen at snakebite.com Thu Jan 10 16:46:38 2002 From: robwen at snakebite.com (Rob Wentworth) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Perl Jobs in Mpls/St. Paul area References: Message-ID: <24e501c19a28$ac6d5420$0600000a@Domain> For my local Qwest DSL service, they replaced qwest.net as the default ISP with MSN. Microsoft takes yet another slice of the pie. :-( ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Williams" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [mplspm]: Perl Jobs in Mpls/St. Paul area > > On Wednesday, January 9, 2002, at 04:17 PM, Jeff Gleixner wrote: > > I recently was layed-off from Qwest, where I led the > > development of qwest.net, using Apache & mod_perl, > > Mason, MySQL, on FreeBSD. > > Wow, qwest.net uses Mason & MySQL? That's cool. > > You suppose they'd be interested in putting something up on > http://www.masonhq.com/about/sites.html ? Can't hurt to ask. ;-) > > > -Ken > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list > > To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org > with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From ry4an at ry4an.org Thu Jan 10 14:48:01 2002 From: ry4an at ry4an.org (Ry4an Brase) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Perl Jobs in Mpls/St. Paul area In-Reply-To: <24e501c19a28$ac6d5420$0600000a@Domain>; from robwen@snakebite.com on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 02:46:38PM -0800 References: <24e501c19a28$ac6d5420$0600000a@Domain> Message-ID: <20020110144801.A30560@ry4an.org> Though you can always use another ISP w/ the Qwest line and pay less for better service. I went with Sound Internet (http://scc.net/) though, of course, Visi is a popular option. On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 02:46:38PM -0800, Rob Wentworth wrote: > For my local Qwest DSL service, they replaced qwest.net as the default ISP > with MSN. Microsoft takes yet another slice of the pie. :-( > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Williams" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 4:49 PM > Subject: Re: [mplspm]: Perl Jobs in Mpls/St. Paul area > > > > > > On Wednesday, January 9, 2002, at 04:17 PM, Jeff Gleixner wrote: > > > I recently was layed-off from Qwest, where I led the > > > development of qwest.net, using Apache & mod_perl, > > > Mason, MySQL, on FreeBSD. > > > > Wow, qwest.net uses Mason & MySQL? That's cool. > > > > You suppose they'd be interested in putting something up on > > http://www.masonhq.com/about/sites.html ? Can't hurt to ask. ;-) > > > > > > -Ken > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list > > > > To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org > > with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list > > To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org > with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. -- Ry4an Brase - http://ry4an.org /~\ 'If you're not a rebel when you're 20 you've got no heart; if \ / you're not establishment when you're 30 you've got no brain. X Join the ASCII ribbon campaign against HTML email / \ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From qglex at yahoo.com Thu Jan 10 14:48:49 2002 From: qglex at yahoo.com (Jeff Gleixner) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Perl Jobs in Mpls/St. Paul area In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020110204849.92653.qmail@web21104.mail.yahoo.com> --- Ken Williams wrote: > > On Wednesday, January 9, 2002, at 04:17 PM, Jeff > Gleixner wrote: > > I recently was layed-off from Qwest, where I led > the > > development of qwest.net, using Apache & mod_perl, > > Mason, MySQL, on FreeBSD. > > Wow, qwest.net uses Mason & MySQL? That's cool. Thanks. Very cool. It was all due to one of Dave's presentations a long time ago at one of the Monger's gatherings. At the time, there was a big interest in going the ATG Dynamo/WebLogic route. However, after Dave's presentation and a bit of research, Mason did (and still does) everything we needed to do, was much cheaper, :-) and worked well in the FreeBSD environment, so it was the best choice. > You suppose they'd be interested in putting > something up on > http://www.masonhq.com/about/sites.html ? Can't > hurt to ask. ;-) I should have done that a long time ago. At this time, or very soon, it'd be more accurate to say that Qwest.net used to use Mason. Qwest "migrated" their consumer customers to MSN and with that decision went the main purpose for using Mason, to serve personalized content for qwest.net, and my job. :-) However, it may be used to manage and build the site on a staging server for some time, since it made building/managing the site so easy that a non-technical manager has been managing the site for over a month. Maybe I made it too easy.. hahhaha.. See ya -Jeff __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From zaj at cypress.com Thu Jan 10 15:01:40 2002 From: zaj at cypress.com (Andrew Jonsson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Perl Jobs in Mpls/St. Paul area References: <24e501c19a28$ac6d5420$0600000a@Domain> Message-ID: <3C3E0134.CF6194BD@mailhost.cmi.cypress.com> Hi, I'm a newcomer to PM. What is Mason? A. Jonsson IS Engineer Cypress Semiconductor Rob Wentworth wrote: > > For my local Qwest DSL service, they replaced qwest.net as the default ISP > with MSN. Microsoft takes yet another slice of the pie. :-( > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Williams" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 4:49 PM > Subject: Re: [mplspm]: Perl Jobs in Mpls/St. Paul area > > > > > On Wednesday, January 9, 2002, at 04:17 PM, Jeff Gleixner wrote: > > > I recently was layed-off from Qwest, where I led the > > > development of qwest.net, using Apache & mod_perl, > > > Mason, MySQL, on FreeBSD. > > > > Wow, qwest.net uses Mason & MySQL? That's cool. > > > > You suppose they'd be interested in putting something up on > > http://www.masonhq.com/about/sites.html ? Can't hurt to ask. ;-) > > > > > > -Ken > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list > > > > To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org > > with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. > > -------------------------------------------------- > Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list > > To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org > with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From thomas at stderr.net Thu Jan 10 15:11:56 2002 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Perl Jobs in Mpls/St. Paul area In-Reply-To: <3C3E0134.CF6194BD@mailhost.cmi.cypress.com>; from zaj@cypress.com on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 03:01:40PM -0600 References: <24e501c19a28$ac6d5420$0600000a@Domain> <3C3E0134.CF6194BD@mailhost.cmi.cypress.com> Message-ID: <20020110221156.I23717@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 03:01:40PM -0600, Andrew Jonsson wrote: > Hi, > I'm a newcomer to PM. What is Mason? http://www.masonhq.com/ - "Mason is a powerful Perl-based web site development and delivery engine. With Mason you can embed Perl code in your HTML and construct pages from shared, reusable components." Loads of info on the site. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From autarch at urth.org Thu Jan 10 17:58:40 2002 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Future meetings and that damn band! Message-ID: Those who attended last night's fries, hummus, and beer meeting at Barley John's may recall the extremely high decibel levels produced by four musicians playing in a space only slightly larger than my living room. This made conversation difficult, at best. Unfortunately, I noticed that that band now plays _every_ Wednesday at Barley John's. So I suggest we think of other venues. I myself would prefer a coffee-shop type place but other smoke-free drinking establishments are fine too. Suggestions are welcome. I don't think there's any reason to have it in the Roseville area either. Off-hand, I like the following: Espresso Royale on Hennepin - parking's not so great but they have couches and I doubt its super crowded on Wednesday evenings Espresso Royale in Dinkytown - easier to park, no couches though. Sometimes the music is a little loud. Patronized by UMN students. Loring Bar - couches, parking is poor, can be crowded, but very pretty Also, the next meeting will be on January 30, 2002, _WEDNESDAY_, at 7:00 PM. Tim, can we use Veritas? I think Ken will be presenting on Module::Build, which is a replacement for the godawful piece of crap that is ExtUtils::MakeMaker. And maybe I'll chime in with an example of something I did with it too. -dave /*================== www.urth.org we await the New Sun ==================*/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From thomas at stderr.net Thu Jan 10 20:56:40 2002 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Future meetings and that damn band! In-Reply-To: ; from autarch@urth.org on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 05:58:40PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020111035640.K23717@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 05:58:40PM -0600, Dave Rolsky wrote: > Those who attended last night's fries, hummus, and beer meeting at Barley > John's may recall the extremely high decibel levels produced by four > musicians playing in a space only slightly larger than my living room. > This made conversation difficult, at best. > > Unfortunately, I noticed that that band now plays _every_ Wednesday at > Barley John's. So I suggest we think of other venues. > > I myself would prefer a coffee-shop type place but other smoke-free > drinking establishments are fine too. Suggestions are welcome. I don't > think there's any reason to have it in the Roseville area either. ^^^^^^^^^ Except for me being able to drink && walk home ;-) > Off-hand, I like the following: > > Espresso Royale on Hennepin - parking's not so great but they have > couches and I doubt its super crowded on Wednesday evenings > > Espresso Royale in Dinkytown - easier to park, no couches though. > Sometimes the music is a little loud. Patronized by UMN students. Both sound fine. > Loring Bar - couches, parking is poor, can be crowded, but very pretty Crowed, does that mean noisy? What about Borealis in Dinkytown? I heard that was good, and they have a good selection of beer *cough* > Also, the next meeting will be on January 30, 2002, _WEDNESDAY_, at 7:00 > PM. Tim, can we use Veritas? > > I think Ken will be presenting on Module::Build, which is a replacement > for the godawful piece of crap that is ExtUtils::MakeMaker. And maybe > I'll chime in with an example of something I did with it too. Looking forward to that. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From troy.johnson at myrealbox.com Thu Jan 10 23:19:40 2002 From: troy.johnson at myrealbox.com (Troy Johnson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Future meetings and that damn band! References: Message-ID: <3C3E75EC.1AB0946B@myrealbox.com> Dave Rolsky wrote: > Those who attended last night's fries, hummus, and beer meeting Sadly I missed it. > I don't think there's any reason to have it in the Roseville area either. I do like to be able to park, and Roseville does have a lot of that (heh). > Espresso Royale on Hennepin - parking's not so great > Espresso Royale in Dinkytown - easier to park, no couches though. > Loring Bar - couches, parking is poor It may be just me, but better parking circumstances are higher on my priority list. Driving to an unfamiliar place and then hunting for a parking spot blocks away "kind'a sucks". On the other hand, if the place is just too perfect for words, it might then be worth the trouble. And though places with beer are preferable (don't get many chances to have a beer these days), coffee is something I can't say no to. My 2 cents, Troy -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From autarch at urth.org Fri Jan 11 02:24:27 2002 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Future meetings and that damn band! In-Reply-To: <3C3E75EC.1AB0946B@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Troy Johnson wrote: > And though places with beer are preferable (don't get many chances to > have a beer these days), coffee is something I can't say no to. I don't really care if it has beer or coffee. My only concerns are that it be non-smoking and that it not be so loud that talking is problematic. And it should be in the Twin Cities or a _very_ nearby first tier suburb (I'm not driving out to Lakeville under any circumstances). Since I don't ever drink alcohol my only recommendations were for coffee shops. -dave /*================== www.urth.org we await the New Sun ==================*/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From autarch at urth.org Fri Jan 11 02:25:51 2002 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Future meetings and that damn band! In-Reply-To: <20020111035640.K23717@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > Loring Bar - couches, parking is poor, can be crowded, but very pretty > > Crowed, does that mean noisy? If there's no band, its not a problem. Its more of an issue in terms of finding seating for 10-15 all together. > What about Borealis in Dinkytown? I heard that was good, and they have > a good selection of beer *cough* I've been there to eat dinner once. The first floor is just dinner tables and they have a small bar as well. If they pushed a bunch of tables together it'd work. And there's a second floor I've never seen. -dave /*================== www.urth.org we await the New Sun ==================*/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From xenson at mn.rr.com Fri Jan 11 09:48:11 2002 From: xenson at mn.rr.com (Karen Christenson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Future meetings and that damn band! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9DB438CE-06AA-11D6-A17E-0050E4C00E47@mn.rr.com> I haven't attended any of your meetings, but I have kept up with the messages on this thread, and thought these sites might be useful to you. You might consider the Depot in Hopkins. It is in the 169 and Excelsior Blvd. area. It is an old train depot that was turned into a coffee shop. Sometimes they have bands but I don't know the schedule. Parking is abundant and next to the building. There is also a coffee shop on Mainstreet in Hopkins called Pekoe and Java (or vice versa) that is next to the Hopkins movie theater. Parking there is also easy to find in the back and there is a free public parking ramp nearby. On Friday, January 11, 2002, at 02:25 , Dave Rolsky wrote: > On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Thomas Eibner wrote: > >>> Loring Bar - couches, parking is poor, can be crowded, but very >>> pretty >> >> Crowed, does that mean noisy? > > If there's no band, its not a problem. Its more of an issue in terms of > finding seating for 10-15 all together. > >> What about Borealis in Dinkytown? I heard that was good, and they have >> a good selection of beer *cough* > > I've been there to eat dinner once. The first floor is just dinner > tables > and they have a small bar as well. If they pushed a bunch of tables > together it'd work. And there's a second floor I've never seen. > > > -dave > > /*================== > www.urth.org > we await the New Sun > ==================*/ > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list > > To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org > with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. > -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From daniel at westpole.com Fri Jan 11 09:58:05 2002 From: daniel at westpole.com (Daniel O'Neil) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Doubled emails with mailit80.pl Message-ID: <3C3F0B8D.60409@westpole.com> Greetings, I have an interesting one. I am using mailit80.pl to process emails from an html form. The first time a given form is processed for a given user, it sends in the same email being sent twice to the To: recipient and the Cc: recipient. Any other emails sent from the form, however, only result in a single email. I'm not sure if this has anything to do with the mailit program, but I'm trying to narrow the possibilities. Anyone have an idea of what's going on? Cheers, Daniel -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From zaj at cypress.com Fri Jan 11 09:55:39 2002 From: zaj at cypress.com (Andrew Jonsson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Future meetings and that damn band! References: <9DB438CE-06AA-11D6-A17E-0050E4C00E47@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <3C3F0AFB.A84935FF@mailhost.cmi.cypress.com> Isn't the depot a high school hangout? I think it was opened by some Hopkins high school group. Andy Jonsson Karen Christenson wrote: > > I haven't attended any of your meetings, but I have kept up with the > messages on this thread, and thought these sites might be useful to you. > You might consider the Depot in Hopkins. It is in the 169 and Excelsior > Blvd. area. It is an old train depot that was turned into a coffee shop. > Sometimes they have bands but I don't know the schedule. Parking is > abundant and next to the building. > > There is also a coffee shop on Mainstreet in Hopkins called Pekoe and > Java (or vice versa) that is next to the Hopkins movie theater. Parking > there is also easy to find in the back and there is a free public > parking ramp nearby. > > On Friday, January 11, 2002, at 02:25 , Dave Rolsky wrote: > > > On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > > >>> Loring Bar - couches, parking is poor, can be crowded, but very > >>> pretty > >> > >> Crowed, does that mean noisy? > > > > If there's no band, its not a problem. Its more of an issue in terms of > > finding seating for 10-15 all together. > > > >> What about Borealis in Dinkytown? I heard that was good, and they have > >> a good selection of beer *cough* > > > > I've been there to eat dinner once. The first floor is just dinner > > tables > > and they have a small bar as well. If they pushed a bunch of tables > > together it'd work. And there's a second floor I've never seen. > > > > > > -dave > > > > /*================== > > www.urth.org > > we await the New Sun > > ==================*/ > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list > > > > To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org > > with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list > > To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org > with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From thomas at stderr.net Fri Jan 11 10:05:44 2002 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Doubled emails with mailit80.pl In-Reply-To: <3C3F0B8D.60409@westpole.com>; from daniel@westpole.com on Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 10:58:05AM -0500 References: <3C3F0B8D.60409@westpole.com> Message-ID: <20020111170544.A40748@io.stderr.net> On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 10:58:05AM -0500, Daniel O'Neil wrote: > Greetings, > I have an interesting one. I am using mailit80.pl to process emails > from an html form. The first > time a given form is processed for a given user, it sends in the same > email being sent twice to the To: recipient and the Cc: recipient. Any > other emails sent from the form, however, only > result in a single email. I'm not sure if this has anything to do with > the mailit program, but I'm trying to narrow the possibilities. Anyone > have an idea of what's going on? I'm sure I'm not the only one asking myself what mailit80.pl is? Even google gave up there. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From xenson at mn.rr.com Fri Jan 11 12:14:53 2002 From: xenson at mn.rr.com (Karen Christenson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Future meetings and that damn band! In-Reply-To: <3C3F0AFB.A84935FF@mailhost.cmi.cypress.com> Message-ID: <1C2CE14A-06BF-11D6-B5A4-0050E4C00E47@mn.rr.com> It is an alcohol free environment that allows kids to hangout, but it isn't restricted to kids. I had business meetings there. Frankly, I've never seen any teenagers there except for the those working behind the counter. It does offer lots of space and well worn comfy furniture. On Friday, January 11, 2002, at 09:55 , Andrew Jonsson wrote: > Isn't the depot a high school hangout? I think it was opened by some > Hopkins high school group. > > Andy Jonsson > > Karen Christenson wrote: >> >> I haven't attended any of your meetings, but I have kept up with the >> messages on this thread, and thought these sites might be useful to >> you. >> You might consider the Depot in Hopkins. It is in the 169 and Excelsior >> Blvd. area. It is an old train depot that was turned into a coffee >> shop. >> Sometimes they have bands but I don't know the schedule. Parking is >> abundant and next to the building. >> >> There is also a coffee shop on Mainstreet in Hopkins called Pekoe and >> Java (or vice versa) that is next to the Hopkins movie theater. Parking >> there is also easy to find in the back and there is a free public >> parking ramp nearby. >> >> On Friday, January 11, 2002, at 02:25 , Dave Rolsky wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Thomas Eibner wrote: >>> >>>>> Loring Bar - couches, parking is poor, can be crowded, but very >>>>> pretty >>>> >>>> Crowed, does that mean noisy? >>> >>> If there's no band, its not a problem. Its more of an issue in terms >>> of >>> finding seating for 10-15 all together. >>> >>>> What about Borealis in Dinkytown? I heard that was good, and they >>>> have >>>> a good selection of beer *cough* >>> >>> I've been there to eat dinner once. The first floor is just dinner >>> tables >>> and they have a small bar as well. If they pushed a bunch of tables >>> together it'd work. And there's a second floor I've never seen. >>> >>> >>> -dave >>> >>> /*================== >>> www.urth.org >>> we await the New Sun >>> ==================*/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list >>> >>> To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org >>> with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. >>> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list >> >> To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org >> with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. > > > -------------------------------------------------- > Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list > > To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org > with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. > -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From lach at lach.net Fri Jan 11 12:23:35 2002 From: lach at lach.net (lach@lach.net) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Future meetings and that damn band! In-Reply-To: <1C2CE14A-06BF-11D6-B5A4-0050E4C00E47@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: Hi Folks, How about Ruth Chris Steak House? It's quite. The *Best* food in town. Great bar selection and good coffee. Only drawback... Downtown Minneapolis. But the steaks are first rate! Later Lach PS now back to perl..... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- LachNet Incorporated Premium Internet Services (651)554-0408 (651)454-0306(fax) System/Network Administration 1570 Century Point, Eagan MN 55121 Custom Application Development On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Karen Christenson wrote: > It is an alcohol free environment that allows kids to hangout, but it > isn't restricted to kids. I had business meetings there. Frankly, I've > never seen any teenagers there except for the those working behind the > counter. It does offer lots of space and well worn comfy furniture. > > On Friday, January 11, 2002, at 09:55 , Andrew Jonsson wrote: > > > Isn't the depot a high school hangout? I think it was opened by some > > Hopkins high school group. > > > > Andy Jonsson > > > > Karen Christenson wrote: > >> > >> I haven't attended any of your meetings, but I have kept up with the > >> messages on this thread, and thought these sites might be useful to > >> you. > >> You might consider the Depot in Hopkins. It is in the 169 and Excelsior > >> Blvd. area. It is an old train depot that was turned into a coffee > >> shop. > >> Sometimes they have bands but I don't know the schedule. Parking is > >> abundant and next to the building. > >> > >> There is also a coffee shop on Mainstreet in Hopkins called Pekoe and > >> Java (or vice versa) that is next to the Hopkins movie theater. Parking > >> there is also easy to find in the back and there is a free public > >> parking ramp nearby. > >> > >> On Friday, January 11, 2002, at 02:25 , Dave Rolsky wrote: > >> > >>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Thomas Eibner wrote: > >>> > >>>>> Loring Bar - couches, parking is poor, can be crowded, but very > >>>>> pretty > >>>> > >>>> Crowed, does that mean noisy? > >>> > >>> If there's no band, its not a problem. Its more of an issue in terms > >>> of > >>> finding seating for 10-15 all together. > >>> > >>>> What about Borealis in Dinkytown? I heard that was good, and they > >>>> have > >>>> a good selection of beer *cough* > >>> > >>> I've been there to eat dinner once. The first floor is just dinner > >>> tables > >>> and they have a small bar as well. If they pushed a bunch of tables > >>> together it'd work. And there's a second floor I've never seen. > >>> > >>> > >>> -dave > >>> > >>> /*================== > >>> www.urth.org > >>> we await the New Sun > >>> ==================*/ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -------------------------------------------------- > >>> Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list > >>> > >>> To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org > >>> with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. > >>> > >> > >> -------------------------------------------------- > >> Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list > >> > >> To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org > >> with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list > > > > To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org > > with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list > > To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org > with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. > -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From autarch at urth.org Fri Jan 11 14:25:45 2002 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Future meetings and that damn band! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 lach@lach.net wrote: > How about Ruth Chris Steak House? > > It's quite. The *Best* food in town. Great bar selection and good coffee. > > Only drawback... Downtown Minneapolis. But the steaks are first rate! I'd rather be drawn and quartered, thank you. And we're not having dinner meetings anyway. -dave /*================== www.urth.org we await the New Sun ==================*/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From jim at acadcam.com Fri Jan 11 14:37:22 2002 From: jim at acadcam.com (Jim Anderson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Future meetings and that damn band! In-Reply-To: ; from autarch@urth.org on Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 02:25:45PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020111143722.A22741@acadcam.com> On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 02:25:45PM -0600, Dave Rolsky wrote: > And we're not having dinner meetings anyway. Personally, I would MUCH rather have someplace easy to get to with easy parking. That pretty much eliminates the downtown locations. There's a place called Stonehouse about a mile or 2 down old hiway 8 that has plenty of room. There is a DJ on Friday and Saturday nights from 9 to close, but nothing on Wednesday (I just called and checked). -- Jim Anderson (612) 782-0456 jim@acadcam.com Anderson CAD/CAM, Inc Lucifer designed MS-DOS to try 3800 Apache Lane NE men's souls. St Anthony, MN 55421 Then he had a better idea... -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From autarch at urth.org Fri Jan 11 14:51:53 2002 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Future meetings and that damn band! In-Reply-To: <20020111143722.A22741@acadcam.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Jim Anderson wrote: > There's a place called Stonehouse about a mile or 2 down old hiway 8 > that has plenty of room. There is a DJ on Friday and Saturday nights > from 9 to close, but nothing on Wednesday (I just called and checked). The location looks good. Is it non-smoking (or have a non-smoking section). I think the requirements that any place needs to satisfy are: - reasonably central location though the Roseville area seems to work as well. - parking (no downtown spots) - no loud music/bands - non-smoking area available. And this means that if the restaurant/bar allows smoking that its not going to be right next to where we are. I think people also want a place with some food. I want it to have at least one vegan item (french fries are good) and not be a steakhouse ;) So this Stonehouse place looks good on pretty much all counts except the smoking situation. -dave /*================== www.urth.org we await the New Sun ==================*/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From jim at acadcam.com Fri Jan 11 15:08:41 2002 From: jim at acadcam.com (Jim Anderson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Future meetings and that damn band! In-Reply-To: ; from autarch@urth.org on Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 02:51:53PM -0600 References: <20020111143722.A22741@acadcam.com> Message-ID: <20020111150841.A22790@acadcam.com> On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 02:51:53PM -0600, Dave Rolsky wrote: > On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Jim Anderson wrote: > The location looks good. Is it non-smoking (or have a non-smoking > section). The place is almost as large as what I think of for a Joe Sensor's sized bar. I think the north end is non-smoking, but the place is big enough to be seated well away from a smoking area. > I think the requirements that any place needs to satisfy are: > > - reasonably central location though the Roseville area seems to work as > well. This is fairly easy to get to from most directions. From the downtown Minneapolis area, take 35W north to the Stinson exit, take a left at the first light (a 4 lane divided highway), and go about a mile north. It's on the left in a large shopping mall parking lot. >From the east, exit on Industrial Boulevard and go west (north? Northwest?) through the cemetary to the light at the other end. It's on your left across the intersection. >From the north, either exit on Industrial Boulevard, or exit further north on Highway 88 (as for Barley John's), and go about 1-2 miles further south. It's on your right then. > - parking (no downtown spots) There are probably 100 spots within a "walking in the rain" distance, and 300 within a "gee it's a nice day" walking distance, most of which are unoccupied. > - no loud music/bands Not here, although if I remember right, there's some light Muzak in the background. > - non-smoking area available. And this means that if the restaurant/bar > allows smoking that its not going to be right next to where we are. > > I think people also want a place with some food. I want it to have at > least one vegan item (french fries are good) and not be a steakhouse ;) They have a full menu, as well as a full bar. By the way, did you mean vegan or vegetarian? > So this Stonehouse place looks good on pretty much all counts except the > smoking situation. Agreed, and the smoking situation shouldn't be a problem either. -- Jim Anderson (612) 782-0456 jim@acadcam.com Anderson CAD/CAM, Inc Lucifer designed MS-DOS to try 3800 Apache Lane NE men's souls. St Anthony, MN 55421 Then he had a better idea... -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From autarch at urth.org Fri Jan 11 15:37:21 2002 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Future meetings and that damn band! In-Reply-To: <20020111150841.A22790@acadcam.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Jim Anderson wrote: > They have a full menu, as well as a full bar. By the way, did you mean > vegan or vegetarian? I meant vegan, cause I'm vegan and I like to eat sometimes. But like I said, fries are fine for me and I'm sure they'd have that there. If there's no objections, I'm all for the Stonehouse next time (whenever that is). -dave /*================== www.urth.org we await the New Sun ==================*/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From thomas at stderr.net Fri Jan 11 15:44:27 2002 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Future meetings and that damn band! In-Reply-To: ; from autarch@urth.org on Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 03:37:21PM -0600 References: <20020111150841.A22790@acadcam.com> Message-ID: <20020111224427.A43665@io.stderr.net> On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 03:37:21PM -0600, Dave Rolsky wrote: > On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Jim Anderson wrote: > > > They have a full menu, as well as a full bar. By the way, did you mean > > vegan or vegetarian? > > I meant vegan, cause I'm vegan and I like to eat sometimes. But like I > said, fries are fine for me and I'm sure they'd have that there. > > If there's no objections, I'm all for the Stonehouse next time (whenever > that is). Me too. It sounds okay. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From troy.johnson at myrealbox.com Fri Jan 11 17:00:06 2002 From: troy.johnson at myrealbox.com (Troy Johnson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Future meetings and that damn band! References: <20020111150841.A22790@acadcam.com> <20020111224427.A43665@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <3C3F6E76.390845A@myrealbox.com> > > If there's no objections, I'm all for the Stonehouse next time (whenever > > that is). > > Me too. It sounds okay. Me also... -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From shamu112 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 11 20:46:52 2002 From: shamu112 at yahoo.com (Shamu) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Future meetings and that damn band! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: North suburbs work great for me. -----Original Message----- From: owner-mpls@pm.org [mailto:owner-mpls@pm.org]On Behalf Of Dave Rolsky Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 2:52 PM To: mpls@pm.org Subject: Re: [mplspm]: Future meetings and that damn band! On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Jim Anderson wrote: > There's a place called Stonehouse about a mile or 2 down old hiway 8 > that has plenty of room. There is a DJ on Friday and Saturday nights > from 9 to close, but nothing on Wednesday (I just called and checked). The location looks good. Is it non-smoking (or have a non-smoking section). I think the requirements that any place needs to satisfy are: - reasonably central location though the Roseville area seems to work as well. - parking (no downtown spots) - no loud music/bands - non-smoking area available. And this means that if the restaurant/bar allows smoking that its not going to be right next to where we are. I think people also want a place with some food. I want it to have at least one vegan item (french fries are good) and not be a steakhouse ;) So this Stonehouse place looks good on pretty much all counts except the smoking situation. -dave /*================== www.urth.org we await the New Sun ==================*/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From wilcoxon at bridge.com Tue Jan 15 16:00:37 2002 From: wilcoxon at bridge.com (Stephen R. Wilcoxon) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: [Perl Jobs] Perl/Pro*C Developer (onsite), United States, MN, Minneapolis (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message from Dave Rolsky of "Wed, 09 Jan 2002 15:19:53 CST." References: Message-ID: <200201152200.RAA18345@mnmailhost> On Wed 2002/01/09 15:19:53 CST, Dave Rolsky writes: > On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, Bruce Albrecht wrote: > > > Yes, I was just figuring gross income. $30/hr is probably closer to a > > $45k-$50k FTE position. It was my impression that my contractor > > friends were making at least $50-60/hr in 2000 and early 2001, so I > > was wondering if the going rate had really dropped to nearly half of > > last year's rates. My friends mostly have a lot more than 3-4 years > > experience, though. > > There is some serious confusion here about what "contracting" means. > > There are 2 kinds: > > 1099. You are your own employee. you pay your own benefits and all of > your taxes. You are not employed by anyone but yourself. > > W-2. You are an employee of the contracting company (in this case Team > Excel). Your employer (Team Excel) pays part of your taxes and may (most > do) offer benefits including health plans, 401k, vacation, etc. Usually > these kick in after a certain number of months as an employee (about 2-3 > for most places, I think). > > So, your contracting friends who were amking 50-60/hr were _probably_ 1099 > employees. You can figure that's equivalent to about 75-85k/yr FTE. Probably not. My last job, I was getting paid $55/hour for W-2. Before takinbg my current job I saw rates as high as $135/hour for 1099 (admittedly, I suspect that was a hellish position with a REALLY needed to be done yesterday schedule). For time-frame sake, this was all in September 2000. -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From wilcoxon at bridge.com Tue Jan 15 16:03:36 2002 From: wilcoxon at bridge.com (Stephen R. Wilcoxon) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Perl Jobs in Mpls/St. Paul area In-Reply-To: Message from Trevor Morris of "Wed, 09 Jan 2002 17:32:43 EST." <3.0.6.32.20020109173243.008dbcd0@morr0209.email.umn.edu> References: <3.0.6.32.20020109173243.008dbcd0@morr0209.email.umn.edu> Message-ID: <200201152203.RAA18436@mnmailhost> On Wed 2002/01/09 17:32:43 EST, Trevor Morris writes: > I recently moved from MN to DC to start a job after college. Let me tell > you, the job market out here has barely slowed down. Probably the one area > in the country still good for IT jobs. Every job is tied to the govt, > which means job security with everything that will be going on in the next > few years. Massive hiring will be going on. > > If you guys are citizensa and are willing to get a security clearance, this > is the place. Funny. I moved from DC to MN about 3 years ago (just got tired of the east-coast urban-sprawl lifestyle). Personally, I'd recommend avoiding the government work. The non-government work was (last I heard from friends) just as plentiful, did not require a security clearance, and paid slightly better. -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From autarch at urth.org Tue Jan 15 16:25:15 2002 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: [Perl Jobs] Perl/Pro*C Developer (onsite), United States, MN, Minneapolis (fwd) In-Reply-To: <200201152200.RAA18345@mnmailhost> Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Stephen R. Wilcoxon wrote: > Probably not. My last job, I was getting paid $55/hour for W-2. Before > takinbg my current job I saw rates as high as $135/hour for 1099 > (admittedly, I suspect that was a hellish position with a REALLY needed to > be done yesterday schedule). For time-frame sake, this was all in > September 2000. $135/hour as a 1099 would be an astronomically high rate (though probably for horrid work). I would guess that that would be close to $105/hr as a W-2 employee, which is about $210,000 a year, which is a lot of money. -dave /*================== www.urth.org we await the New Sun ==================*/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From gypsy at FreeQ.com Tue Jan 15 18:35:52 2002 From: gypsy at FreeQ.com (Gypsy Rogers) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: [Perl Jobs] Perl/Pro*C Developer (onsite), United States, MN, Minneapolis (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I was charging $150/hr as much as 5 years ago and getting it. Depends on alot of factors and how you present it. Yes, $135/hr is alot for a warm body, but not for a solution's expert. ----------------------------- | Gypsy Rogers | http://www.GypsyRogers.com | What do you want? When do you want it? | What are you willing to Sacrifice for it? | Are you willing to fail? ----------------------------- On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Dave Rolsky wrote: > Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:25:15 -0600 (CST) > From: Dave Rolsky > Reply-To: mpls@pm.org > To: "Stephen R. Wilcoxon" > Cc: mpls@pm.org > Subject: Re: [mplspm]: [Perl Jobs] Perl/Pro*C Developer (onsite), United States, MN, Minneapolis (fwd) > > On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Stephen R. Wilcoxon wrote: > > > Probably not. My last job, I was getting paid $55/hour for W-2. Before > > takinbg my current job I saw rates as high as $135/hour for 1099 > > (admittedly, I suspect that was a hellish position with a REALLY needed to > > be done yesterday schedule). For time-frame sake, this was all in > > September 2000. > > $135/hour as a 1099 would be an astronomically high rate (though probably > for horrid work). I would guess that that would be close to $105/hr as a > W-2 employee, which is about $210,000 a year, which is a lot of money. > > > -dave > > /*================== > www.urth.org > we await the New Sun > ==================*/ > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list > > To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org > with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. > -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From autarch at urth.org Fri Jan 25 15:51:48 2002 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Looking for a job again Message-ID: Sigh... So it's time for me to begin yet another job search. I'm interested in contract or full-time work. My resume is at http://www.urth.org/resume/. Obviously, I want to be doing Perl. Please respond via private e-mail. Thanks, -dave /*================== www.urth.org we await the New Sun ==================*/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From autarch at urth.org Fri Jan 25 16:46:34 2002 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Meeting next Wednesday? Message-ID: Well, we're supposed to have a meeting next Wednesday at Veritas but we still need confirmation from Tim that we can use the space. Assuming that will come (though if someone wants to think of an alternative location that might be nice)... Wednesday, January 30th @ 7:00 PM Ken Williams will talk about Module::Build, a replacement for ExtUtils::MakeMaker. It's also worth noting that Module::Build makes a fine basis for building generic installers for Perl-based applications (not just modules), which is something I can talk about a bit. Hopefully, Tim will respond real soon now with confirmation and directions (which probably belong on the web site too). -dave /*================== www.urth.org we await the New Sun ==================*/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From ken at mathforum.org Fri Jan 25 17:31:18 2002 From: ken at mathforum.org (Ken Williams) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:31 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Meeting next Wednesday? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Friday, January 25, 2002, at 04:46 PM, Dave Rolsky wrote: > Ken Williams will talk about Module::Build, a replacement for > ExtUtils::MakeMaker. It's also worth noting that Module::Build makes a > fine basis for building generic installers for Perl-based applications > (not just modules), which is something I can talk about a bit. Cool, I'll be glad to hear about it. -Ken -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From james at ehlo.com Fri Jan 25 17:41:59 2002 From: james at ehlo.com (James FitzGibbon) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:32 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Meeting next Wednesday? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020125174159.D24163@ehlo.com> * Dave Rolsky (autarch@urth.org) [020125 16:49]: > Assuming that will come (though if someone wants to think of an > alternative location that might be nice)... If the need arises, I can see if I can get a conference room with my client (Target). It would be @ 10th and Nicollet downtown, which has a good selection of places to congregate afterwards. -- j. ...Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky, and I thought to myself, where the heck is the ceiling? -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From shamu112 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 29 22:00:59 2002 From: shamu112 at yahoo.com (Shamu) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:32 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Meeting next Wednesday? In-Reply-To: <20020125174159.D24163@ehlo.com> Message-ID: Has anything been decided? Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-mpls@pm.org [mailto:owner-mpls@pm.org]On Behalf Of James FitzGibbon Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 5:42 PM To: mpls@pm.org Subject: Re: [mplspm]: Meeting next Wednesday? * Dave Rolsky (autarch@urth.org) [020125 16:49]: > Assuming that will come (though if someone wants to think of an > alternative location that might be nice)... If the need arises, I can see if I can get a conference room with my client (Target). It would be @ 10th and Nicollet downtown, which has a good selection of places to congregate afterwards. -- j. ...Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky, and I thought to myself, where the heck is the ceiling? -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From ken at mathforum.org Tue Jan 29 22:24:13 2002 From: ken at mathforum.org (Ken Williams) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:32 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Meeting next Wednesday? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3706C382-1539-11D6-9CCF-003065F6D85A@mathforum.org> On Tuesday, January 29, 2002, at 10:00 PM, Shamu wrote: > Has anything been decided? > > Mark I haven't heard from Tim about Veritas. Tim, does Veritas still exist? Let's keep the meeting date, we'll meet in a public library if we have to! Anyone got any better ideas? Is Target indeed an option if Veritas isn't? I'm going to be unreachable for most of the day tomorrow, so decide in my absence and I'll show up and talk. -Ken -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From autarch at urth.org Tue Jan 29 23:26:25 2002 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:32 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Meeting next Wednesday? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 29 Jan 2002, Shamu wrote: > Has anything been decided? It will be at Veritas. Tim responded to me and I didn't notice he hadn't cc'd the list. -dave /*================== www.urth.org we await the New Sun ==================*/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From james at ehlo.com Wed Jan 30 05:32:00 2002 From: james at ehlo.com (James FitzGibbon) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:32 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Meeting next Wednesday? In-Reply-To: <3706C382-1539-11D6-9CCF-003065F6D85A@mathforum.org> References: <3706C382-1539-11D6-9CCF-003065F6D85A@mathforum.org> Message-ID: <20020130053200.A9712@ehlo.com> * Ken Williams (ken@mathforum.org) [020129 22:40]: > > Let's keep the meeting date, we'll meet in a public library if we have > to! Anyone got any better ideas? Is Target indeed an option if Veritas > isn't? I'll check with my manager first thing when I get in to the office. It's a huge building, so it's more an issue of whether it's allowed than whether I can find space. I'll try to have a yes/no by 9am latest. -- j. ...Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky, and I thought to myself, where the heck is the ceiling? -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From shamu112 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 30 07:47:51 2002 From: shamu112 at yahoo.com (Shamu) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:32 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Meeting next Wednesday? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Which building, what's the address? Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-mpls@pm.org [mailto:owner-mpls@pm.org]On Behalf Of Dave Rolsky Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 11:26 PM To: mpls@pm.org Subject: RE: [mplspm]: Meeting next Wednesday? On Tue, 29 Jan 2002, Shamu wrote: > Has anything been decided? It will be at Veritas. Tim responded to me and I didn't notice he hadn't cc'd the list. -dave /*================== www.urth.org we await the New Sun ==================*/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From James.FitzGibbon at target.com Wed Jan 30 08:09:34 2002 From: James.FitzGibbon at target.com (James.FitzGibbon) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:32 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Meeting next Wednesday? Message-ID: >From http://minneapolis.pm.org/#next_meeting: Veritas Software 2815 Cleveland Ave. Roseville, MN 55113 To get there: Follow 35W North thru Minneapolis to the Exit 24 Cleveland Ave. / County Rd C Take Exit 24 to Cleveland Ave. / County Rd C At the traffic light, turn left on Cleveland Ave. You'll see Veritas Software, a five story building, immediately on your left Turn left into the Veritas parking lot -- j. James FitzGibbon voice/fax 612-761-6121/4277 Consultant, TTS-3D@TPN4H james.fitzgibbon@target.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Shamu [mailto:shamu112@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 7:48 AM > To: mpls@pm.org > Subject: RE: [mplspm]: Meeting next Wednesday? > > > Which building, what's the address? > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mpls@pm.org [mailto:owner-mpls@pm.org]On Behalf Of Dave > Rolsky > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 11:26 PM > To: mpls@pm.org > Subject: RE: [mplspm]: Meeting next Wednesday? > > > On Tue, 29 Jan 2002, Shamu wrote: > > > Has anything been decided? > > It will be at Veritas. Tim responded to me and I didn't > notice he hadn't > cc'd the list. > > -dave > > /*================== > www.urth.org > we await the New Sun > ==================*/ > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list > > To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org > with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list > > To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org > with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. > -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From tim.burlowski at veritas.com Wed Jan 30 11:01:32 2002 From: tim.burlowski at veritas.com (Tim Burlowski) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:32 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Meeting next Wednesday? In-Reply-To: ; from shamu112@yahoo.com on Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 10:00:59PM -0600 References: <20020125174159.D24163@ehlo.com> Message-ID: <20020130110132.A11644@maple.min.ov.com> Sorry, I must have replied off band. Yes, VERITAS is available. There will be a meeting tonight, January 30th @ 7:30 P.M. The address is 2815 Cleveland Avenue, in Roseville. Directions from the south: * Follow 35W North thru Minneapolis to the Exit 24 Cleveland Ave. / County Rd C * Take Exit 24 to Cleveland Ave. / County Rd C * At the traffic light, turn left on Cleveland Ave. * You'll see VERITAS Software ROS2 immediately on your left * For ROS2 - Turn left into the VERITAS parking lot If you have been to previous meetings, please note we're in the 5 story VERITAS building. tim Previously Shamu(shamu112@yahoo.com) wrote: > Has anything been decided? > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mpls@pm.org [mailto:owner-mpls@pm.org]On Behalf Of James > FitzGibbon > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 5:42 PM > To: mpls@pm.org > Subject: Re: [mplspm]: Meeting next Wednesday? > > > * Dave Rolsky (autarch@urth.org) [020125 16:49]: > > > Assuming that will come (though if someone wants to think of an > > alternative location that might be nice)... > > If the need arises, I can see if I can get a conference room with my client > (Target). It would be @ 10th and Nicollet downtown, which has a good > selection of places to congregate afterwards. > > -- > j. > > ...Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky, and I > thought to myself, where the heck is the ceiling? > > > -------------------------------------------------- > Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list > > To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org > with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list > > To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org > with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. -- tim burlowski ======================================== At 8:00 AM, Roseville, MN conditions were partly cloudy skies at 13 deg F, wind was northwest at 6 mph. The relative humidity was 81%, and barometric pressure was rising from 30.32 in. -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From thomas at stderr.net Wed Jan 30 09:17:43 2002 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:32 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Meeting next Wednesday? In-Reply-To: <20020130110132.A11644@maple.min.ov.com>; from tim.burlowski@veritas.com on Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 11:01:32AM -0600 References: <20020125174159.D24163@ehlo.com> <20020130110132.A11644@maple.min.ov.com> Message-ID: <20020130161742.B53105@io.stderr.net> On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 11:01:32AM -0600, Tim Burlowski wrote: > Sorry, I must have replied off band. > > Yes, VERITAS is available. There will be a meeting tonight, January 30th > @ 7:30 P.M. Webpage says 7pm, which one is correct? (For everyone to know) -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer !(C) Putting the HEST in .COM -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From autarch at urth.org Wed Jan 30 09:57:28 2002 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:32 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Meeting next Wednesday? In-Reply-To: <20020130110132.A11644@maple.min.ov.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Tim Burlowski wrote: > Yes, VERITAS is available. There will be a meeting tonight, January 30th > @ 7:30 P.M. The web page has said 7:00 PM for a long time. -dave /*================== www.urth.org we await the New Sun ==================*/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From tim.burlowski at veritas.com Wed Jan 30 12:12:12 2002 From: tim.burlowski at veritas.com (Tim Burlowski) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:32 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Meeting next Wednesday? In-Reply-To: ; from autarch@urth.org on Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 09:57:28AM -0600 References: <20020130110132.A11644@maple.min.ov.com> Message-ID: <20020130121212.A12056@maple.min.ov.com> Dagnabit. I have never gotten one of these notices correct. Always, the data, day, or time is off. tim Previously Dave Rolsky(autarch@urth.org) wrote: > On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Tim Burlowski wrote: > > > Yes, VERITAS is available. There will be a meeting tonight, January 30th > > @ 7:30 P.M. > > The web page has said 7:00 PM for a long time. > > > -dave > > /*================== > www.urth.org > we await the New Sun > ==================*/ > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list > > To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org > with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. -- tim burlowski ======================================== At 10:00 AM, Roseville, MN conditions were partly sunny skies at 16 deg F, wind was northwest at 7 mph. The relative humidity was 77%, and barometric pressure was rising from 30.35 in. -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From jim at acadcam.com Wed Jan 30 10:07:16 2002 From: jim at acadcam.com (Jim Anderson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:32 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Meeting next Wednesday? In-Reply-To: <20020130121212.A12056@maple.min.ov.com>; from tim.burlowski@veritas.com on Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 12:12:12PM -0600 References: <20020130110132.A11644@maple.min.ov.com> <20020130121212.A12056@maple.min.ov.com> Message-ID: <20020130100716.D9553@acadcam.com> On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 12:12:12PM -0600, Tim Burlowski wrote: > Dagnabit. > > I have never gotten one of these notices correct. > > Always, the data, day, or time is off. ^ And sometimes you can't even get the spelling right... BTW, if anybody is interested, I'll be at Barley John's prior to the meeting. The band doesn't start until much later, so it's quiet enough to converse. -- Jim Anderson (612) 782-0456 jim@acadcam.com Anderson CAD/CAM, Inc Lucifer designed MS-DOS to try 3800 Apache Lane NE men's souls. St Anthony, MN 55421 Then he had a better idea... -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From patm at isis.visi.com Wed Jan 30 10:33:19 2002 From: patm at isis.visi.com (Patrick J. McNamee) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:32 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Tonight's meeting Message-ID: <20020130163319.GD22375@isis.visi.com> I have updated http://minneapolis.pm.org/#community with directions to Veritas. pm -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From James.FitzGibbon at target.com Wed Jan 30 11:06:48 2002 From: James.FitzGibbon at target.com (James.FitzGibbon) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:32 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Meeting next Wednesday? Message-ID: And where would one find said establishment (and you therein) ? Are you thinking 6:30-ish? -- j. James FitzGibbon voice/fax 612-761-6121/4277 Consultant, TTS-3D@TPN4H james.fitzgibbon@target.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Anderson [mailto:jim@acadcam.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 10:07 AM > To: mpls@pm.org > Subject: Re: [mplspm]: Meeting next Wednesday? > > BTW, if anybody is interested, I'll be at Barley John's prior to the > meeting. The band doesn't start until much later, so it's quiet > enough to converse. -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From jim at acadcam.com Wed Jan 30 11:26:00 2002 From: jim at acadcam.com (Jim Anderson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:32 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Meeting next Wednesday? In-Reply-To: ; from James.FitzGibbon@target.com on Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 11:06:48AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020130112600.B9711@acadcam.com> On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 11:06:48AM -0600, James.FitzGibbon wrote: > And where would one find said establishment (and you therein) ? > Are you thinking 6:30-ish? Happy hour is from 4-6. I usually arrive just before 6 to catch happy hour pricing, at least on my first beer. As far as getting there, take 35W north to County Road D, and go west about 1/2 mile. It's on your right near the top of the hill. If you get to the SuperAmerica, you've gone 1 street too far. Look back over your right shoulder and you should see it there. Another thing to look for is Jake's sportsbar. Barley John's is the next building after Jake's. I'll be sitting at the bar, initially. If we get more than 2 people, we can get a table. -- Jim Anderson (612) 782-0456 jim@acadcam.com Anderson CAD/CAM, Inc Lucifer designed MS-DOS to try 3800 Apache Lane NE men's souls. St Anthony, MN 55421 Then he had a better idea... -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From ken at mathforum.org Wed Jan 30 15:58:41 2002 From: ken at mathforum.org (Ken Williams) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:32 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: A ride to the meeting Message-ID: <85E19011-15CC-11D6-9CCF-003065F6D85A@mathforum.org> Hey, Dave and I are meeting before the PM meeting tonight, which means I can't give a ride to Josh Aas. If anyone could give a ride from the Macalester College area to Veritas, please email josha@mac.com . -Ken -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From James.FitzGibbon at target.com Thu Jan 31 08:16:05 2002 From: James.FitzGibbon at target.com (James.FitzGibbon) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:32 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Submitting patches to module maintainers Message-ID: At last night's meeting, there was a point raised about maintainers of open source projects and getting them to actually incorporate them into future releases. I had an idea on the way home that I wanted to bounce off people. I think one of the big problems with reporting bugs and submitting patches is that a) a single email reporting a bug is easily deleted and forgotten (hopefully not on purpose) and b) if you are too busy to incorporate the patch, it's difficult to delegate that task to someone else. Hopefully most people are familiar with SourceForge, the Open-Source project hosting site where you can start an Open Source project and have access to a private CVS repository, web space, the ability to release tarballs, mailing lists, bug reporting, etc. If you're not familiar, please check out www.sf.net. The idea I had was to promote the idea of getting module developers to host their modules on SourceForge. That way when a bug is reported it goes into the tracking database for that module and the author can't just indiscriminately delete it. The author could also start discussion groups so that potential patch submitters could bounce their ideas off of other users of the module before sending the final patch to the author. Best of all, if the author needed to take a temporary hiatus, it would be easy to give CVS commit access to a trusted lieutenant who could take on the task of committing patches. When the author was ready to come back, they would be able to track the exact changes that had taken place in their absence with CVS. These arguments of course apply to all Open Source projects, not just Perl. The benefits are (I would argue) required when a project reaches a certain size, and with the exception of large modules like Event, DBI, Mason, etc., people may not have thought about using something like SF for this. Discuss? -- j. James FitzGibbon voice/fax 612-761-6121/4277 Consultant, TTS-3D@TPN4H james.fitzgibbon@target.com -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From matt at omega.org Thu Jan 31 10:26:48 2002 From: matt at omega.org (Matt Johnson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:32 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Submitting patches to module maintainers Message-ID: <047603223161f12FE8@mail8.mn.rr.com> [It was nice to meet all of you last night, esp Chris, Charles and James.] I don't currently have any code on sourceforge.net, but from what I can see, it is a free hosting. Is that true, James? SourceForge does have nice project management features and I believe they are owned by the same company that owns slashdot. Check it out if you haven't been there before. http://www.sourceforge.net -Matt Johnson The following message was sent by "James.FitzGibbon" on Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:16:05 -0600. > At last night's meeting, there was a point raised about maintainers > of open source projects and getting them to actually incorporate them > into future releases. I had an idea on the way home that I wanted to > bounce off people. > > I think one of the big problems with reporting bugs and submitting > patches is that a) a single email reporting a bug is easily deleted > and forgotten (hopefully not on purpose) and b) if you are too busy > to incorporate the patch, it's difficult to delegate that task to > someone else. > > Hopefully most people are familiar with SourceForge, the Open-Source > project hosting site where you can start an Open Source project and > have access to a private CVS repository, web space, the ability to > release tarballs, mailing lists, bug reporting, etc. If you're not > familiar, please check out www.sf.net. > > The idea I had was to promote the idea of getting module developers > to host their modules on SourceForge. That way when a bug is reported > it goes into the tracking database for that module and the author can't > just indiscriminately delete it. The author could also start discussion > groups so that potential patch submitters could bounce their ideas off > of other users of the module before sending the final patch to the > author. > > Best of all, if the author needed to take a temporary hiatus, it would > be easy to give CVS commit access to a trusted lieutenant who could > take on the task of committing patches. When the author was ready to > come back, they would be able to track the exact changes that had taken > place in their absence with CVS. > > These arguments of course apply to all Open Source projects, not just Perl. > The benefits are (I would argue) required when a project reaches a certain > size, and with the exception of large modules like Event, DBI, Mason, etc., > people may not have thought about using something like SF for this. > > Discuss? > > -- > j. > > James FitzGibbon voice/fax 612-761-6121/4277 > Consultant, TTS-3D@TPN4H james.fitzgibbon@target.com > > > -------------------------------------------------- > Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list > > To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org > with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. > -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From matt at omega.org Thu Jan 31 10:35:04 2002 From: matt at omega.org (Matt Johnson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:32 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Wearable Computing Message-ID: <0a7ba2130161f12FE4@mail4.mn.rr.com> Has anyone here used perl/tk/linux in a wearable computing solution? I'm interested in seeing a wearable computing demo. I'd like to start a personal project to build a wearable, but it looks like a decent head-mounted disply (HUD) is about $2500. I've created a database with wearable computing links, click below for more. -Matt Johnson https://www.quickbase.com/db/7qpsq5wt?act=q&qid=5 The following message was sent by "Ken Williams" on Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:58:41 -0600. > Hey, > > Dave and I are meeting before the PM meeting tonight, which means I > can't give a ride to Josh Aas. If anyone could give a ride from the > Macalester College area to Veritas, please email josha@mac.com . > > -Ken > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list > > To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org > with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. > -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From dmblevins at mediaone.net Thu Jan 31 10:36:18 2002 From: dmblevins at mediaone.net (David Blevins) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:32 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Submitting patches to module maintainers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >From experience, I can say everything James said is true. I had been running my project (OpenEJB) at a cvs/mailinglist/website only host for two years. I just moved it to SourceForge about three weeks ago...heaven, pure heaven! We definitely use the bug and patch tracking system. I use the task tracking system like crazy, for myself and the team. I even whipped up a perl script Tuesday to reformat task emails to our development list so everyone can see who is doing what. It's in our cvs, if you are interested. Keep in mind, I'm not much of a perl programmer. One of the best this about SourceForge is no longer having to support people with cvs problems! Newbie: "Dear sir, cvs give me error, please advise." Me: "Dear list member, you can submit a SF support request at...." Nice. -David > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mpls@pm.org [mailto:owner-mpls@pm.org]On Behalf Of > James.FitzGibbon > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 8:16 AM > To: Minneapolis Perl Mongers (E-mail) > Subject: [mplspm]: Submitting patches to module maintainers > > > At last night's meeting, there was a point raised about maintainers > of open source projects and getting them to actually incorporate them > into future releases. I had an idea on the way home that I wanted to > bounce off people. > > I think one of the big problems with reporting bugs and submitting > patches is that a) a single email reporting a bug is easily deleted > and forgotten (hopefully not on purpose) and b) if you are too busy > to incorporate the patch, it's difficult to delegate that task to > someone else. > > Hopefully most people are familiar with SourceForge, the Open-Source > project hosting site where you can start an Open Source project and > have access to a private CVS repository, web space, the ability to > release tarballs, mailing lists, bug reporting, etc. If you're not > familiar, please check out www.sf.net. > > The idea I had was to promote the idea of getting module developers > to host their modules on SourceForge. That way when a bug is reported > it goes into the tracking database for that module and the author can't > just indiscriminately delete it. The author could also start discussion > groups so that potential patch submitters could bounce their ideas off > of other users of the module before sending the final patch to the > author. > > Best of all, if the author needed to take a temporary hiatus, it would > be easy to give CVS commit access to a trusted lieutenant who could > take on the task of committing patches. When the author was ready to > come back, they would be able to track the exact changes that had taken > place in their absence with CVS. > > These arguments of course apply to all Open Source projects, not > just Perl. > The benefits are (I would argue) required when a project reaches a certain > size, and with the exception of large modules like Event, DBI, > Mason, etc., > people may not have thought about using something like SF for this. > > Discuss? > > -- > j. > > James FitzGibbon voice/fax 612-761-6121/4277 > Consultant, TTS-3D@TPN4H james.fitzgibbon@target.com > > > -------------------------------------------------- > Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list > > To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org > with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From James.FitzGibbon at target.com Thu Jan 31 11:08:40 2002 From: James.FitzGibbon at target.com (James.FitzGibbon) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:32 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Submitting patches to module maintainers Message-ID: > I don't currently have any code on sourceforge.net, but from > what I can see, it is a free hosting. Is that true, James? > SourceForge does have nice project management features and I > believe they are owned by the same company that owns > slashdot. Check it out if you haven't been there before. > http://www.sourceforge.net Yep, totally free. They sell a corporate intranet version of their product called SourceForge Enterprise. They are owned by VA Linux, (now VA Software I believe), who also run /. -- j. James FitzGibbon voice/fax 612-761-6121/4277 Consultant, TTS-3D@TPN4H james.fitzgibbon@target.com -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From James.FitzGibbon at target.com Thu Jan 31 11:12:35 2002 From: James.FitzGibbon at target.com (James.FitzGibbon) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:32 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Submitting patches to module maintainers Message-ID: > everyone can see who is doing what. It's in our cvs, if you > are interested. > Keep in mind, I'm not much of a perl programmer. That's another nice thing - since most people who write Perl mods and choose to use version control use CVS, there's nothing new to re-learn. You can even develop on your own box and do all the CVS commands remotely over ssh. -- j. James FitzGibbon voice/fax 612-761-6121/4277 Consultant, TTS-3D@TPN4H james.fitzgibbon@target.com -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From James.FitzGibbon at target.com Thu Jan 31 11:26:34 2002 From: James.FitzGibbon at target.com (James.FitzGibbon) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:32 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Module::Build & Makefile.PL Message-ID: Ok, I know I should slap myself around for trying to use CPAN.pm to install Module::Build, especially after last night's talk: --START-- Package seems to come without Makefile.PL. (The test -f "/home_dir/jfitzgi/.cpan/build/Module-Build-0.05/Makefile.PL" returned false.) Writing one on our own (setting NAME to ModuleBuild) CPAN.pm: Going to build K/KW/KWILLIAMS/Module-Build-0.05.tar.gz Checking if your kit is complete... Looks good Writing Makefile for ModuleBuild cp lib/Module/Build/Platform/Unix.pm blib/lib/Module/Build/Platform/Unix.pm [...] cp lib/Module/Build/Platform/Windows.pm blib/lib/Module/Build/Platform/Windows.pm Manifying blib/man3/Module::Build::Platform::Unix.3 [...] /home/prod/perl5/bin/perl -Iblib/arch -Iblib/lib -I/home/prod/perl5/lib/5.6.1/aix -I/home/prod/perl5/lib/5.6.1 Build.PL Build Too early to specify a build action 'Build'. Do ./Build Build instead. make: 1254-004 The error code from the last command is 255. Stop. /usr/bin/make -- NOT OK Running make test Can't test without successful make Running make install make had returned bad status, install seems impossible ---END-- But on the presumption that people who don't read the docs are going to pull the same bonehead move, would it be an idea to put a Makefile.PL in there, just to help with bootstrapping for people so very used to typing perl -MCPAN -e 'install foo'? -- j. James FitzGibbon voice/fax 612-761-6121/4277 Consultant, TTS-3D@TPN4H james.fitzgibbon@target.com -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From autarch at urth.org Thu Jan 31 11:35:37 2002 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:32 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Submitting patches to module maintainers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, James.FitzGibbon wrote: > The idea I had was to promote the idea of getting module developers > to host their modules on SourceForge. That way when a bug is reported > it goes into the tracking database for that module and the author can't > just indiscriminately delete it. The author could also start discussion > groups so that potential patch submitters could bounce their ideas off > of other users of the module before sending the final patch to the > author. SF has the crappiest bug tracking DB I've ever seen. If you're a cpan author then you should encourage people to use rt.cpan.org, which is much much nicer. However, there's a bigger problem... Mason is on sourceforge and we tried briefly using their bug tracking system. What we found is that most of what we got as 'bugs' were user error or feature requests or other non-bugs. And since anyone can enter a bug (anonymously, basically) there was no easy way to respond. Frankly, the users list is a better forum for this sort of stuff, at least for us. For actual bug tracking, we have a combined todo list/bug tracker on the masonhq site that we use. It's a lot nicer than the one of Sourceforge too. > Best of all, if the author needed to take a temporary hiatus, it would > be easy to give CVS commit access to a trusted lieutenant who could > take on the task of committing patches. When the author was ready to > come back, they would be able to track the exact changes that had taken > place in their absence with CVS. Yep, the CVS stuff is great. The mailing lists are really nice too. That's about all we use with Mason. For Alzabo, I also have a home page there and I put file releases there (and on CPAN too). -dave /*================== www.urth.org we await the New Sun ==================*/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From dmblevins at mediaone.net Thu Jan 31 11:44:02 2002 From: dmblevins at mediaone.net (David Blevins) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:32 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Submitting patches to module maintainers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Even that is free too. I know a few companies who use it to manage internal software projects, websites, etc. Go to: http://sourceforge.net/projects/alexandria-dev/ I only know of CPAN through talking with perl programmers, never used it in any of my own hacked up scripts, so this may be an absurd idea. Couldn't you integrate Alexandria with CPAN so any new Modules automatically had full management services? I.e., SourceForge.net uses Alexandria for hosting somewhere around 33,000 projects, couldn't CPAN use it to do the same, but specifically for the perl modules it hosts? -David > Yep, totally free. They sell a corporate intranet version of their > product called SourceForge Enterprise. They are owned by VA Linux, > (now VA Software I believe), who also run /. > > -- > j. > > James FitzGibbon voice/fax 612-761-6121/4277 > Consultant, TTS-3D@TPN4H james.fitzgibbon@target.com > > > -------------------------------------------------- > Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list > > To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org > with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From ken at mathforum.org Thu Jan 31 15:46:18 2002 From: ken at mathforum.org (Ken Williams) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:32 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Module::Build & Makefile.PL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thursday, January 31, 2002, at 11:26 AM, James.FitzGibbon wrote: > But on the presumption that people who don't read the docs are going > to pull the same bonehead move, would it be an idea to put a Makefile.PL > in there, just to help with bootstrapping for people so very used to > typing > perl -MCPAN -e 'install foo'? > Yeah, potentially. However, we'd also need to update people's CPAN.pm module, which we can do just by listing it as a dependency in the Makefile.PL - but first we need to actually update CPAN.pm. As Dave mentioned, we should probably wait until the M::B interface stabilizes a little more before doing that. -Ken -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From James.FitzGibbon at target.com Thu Jan 31 16:38:50 2002 From: James.FitzGibbon at target.com (James.FitzGibbon) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:32 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Module::Build & Makefile.PL Message-ID: > > in there, just to help with bootstrapping for people so > very used to > > typing > > perl -MCPAN -e 'install foo'? > > > > Yeah, potentially. However, we'd also need to update > people's CPAN.pm > module, which we can do just by listing it as a dependency in the > Makefile.PL - but first we need to actually update CPAN.pm. As Dave > mentioned, we should probably wait until the M::B interface > stabilizes a > little more before doing that. Just so I understand: the update to CPAN.pm would only be required if people were going to *continue* to use CPAN.pm to build modules that support Module::Build, right? i.e. I didn't want to start using M::B with CPAN when I made my mistake, I just wanted to quickly grab and install it so that I could get some ideas for subclassing it. Granted, I'm not the average user.[1] [1] and if I ever become one, just shoot me. -- j. James FitzGibbon voice/fax 612-761-6121/4277 Consultant, TTS-3D@TPN4H james.fitzgibbon@target.com -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From ken at mathforum.org Thu Jan 31 17:03:40 2002 From: ken at mathforum.org (Ken Williams) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:32 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Module::Build & Makefile.PL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thursday, January 31, 2002, at 04:38 PM, James.FitzGibbon wrote: > Just so I understand: the update to CPAN.pm would only be required if > people were going to *continue* to use CPAN.pm to build modules that > support Module::Build, right? Right. > i.e. I didn't want to start using M::B with CPAN when I made my > mistake, I just wanted to quickly grab and install it so that I could > get some ideas for subclassing it. Granted, I'm not the average > user.[1] In that case, you can use CPAN to download M::B, and then just 'look Module::Build' and install it manually. -Ken -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message.