From dave at dave.org.uk Tue Sep 1 07:23:17 2009 From: dave at dave.org.uk (Dave Cross) Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 15:23:17 +0100 Subject: What Shall I Talk About? Message-ID: <4A9D2E55.6030501@dave.org.uk> So Tom caught me with my shields down at YAPC::Europe last month and extracted a promise to come and speak at the next mk.pm technical meeting. This will apparently be on a date to be announced in the next couple of days. This is all good. I enjoy my occasional visits to MK. But usually I have a few talks that I'm currently touting and I pick one of those and inflict it on you all. This time I thought I'd try something different and let you choose what I talk about. So if there's something you think that you'd like to hear me waffle on about for half an hour or so, here's your chance. Send a mail (briefly) describing your proposed talk to the list over the next couple of days. Once we've got a few suggestions, I'll arrange a vote of some kind. Please be kind :) Cheers, Dave... From tom at eborcom.com Thu Sep 3 12:32:21 2009 From: tom at eborcom.com (Tom Hukins) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 20:32:21 +0100 Subject: Book: Thoughts on The Definitive Guide to Catalyst Message-ID: <20090903193221.GC54033@eborcom.com> I've been nosing through the book "The Definitive Guide to Catalyst" lately and I quite like it. But I'm not mailing the list to tell you all that I like it, I'm mailing you because I think you might want to read it even if you don't use Catalyst or write Web applications. While the book doesn't teach Perl as a language, it explains how to install Perl, how to use CPAN effectively, how to build your own Perl and use minicpan. Those of you who failed to fall asleep during the technical talks I've presented this year will notice some overlap between "what Tom thinks too few people know about" and "what this book covers". Perl has always provided a great way to glue things together, and the book talks about several Web servers and database servers that you might want to use in a practical, up-to-date way. The book also describes useful modules such as Moose, DBIx::Class and Template::Toolkit that Catalyst developers often use, but that you can use in their own right. The book focuses on using Catalyst to make Web sites, but really you can use it as a general tool for building applications with. Although the book doesn't discuss this approach, it gives you enough information to do so. I've not read the book properly yet, but I thought I'd share my thoughts so far as I suspect some of you might find it useful. Tom From tom at eborcom.com Thu Sep 3 12:40:09 2009 From: tom at eborcom.com (Tom Hukins) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 20:40:09 +0100 Subject: What Shall I Talk About? In-Reply-To: <4A9D2E55.6030501@dave.org.uk> References: <4A9D2E55.6030501@dave.org.uk> Message-ID: <20090903194009.GD54033@eborcom.com> On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 03:23:17PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: > So if there's something you think that you'd like to hear me waffle > on about for half an hour or so, here's your chance. Without knowing what you've been up to lately it's hard to guess which useful morsels we can steal from your brain, but I'd be interested in anything along the lines of: - Writing less code - Maintaining code, and making code maintainable - Location-based software (mobile, GPS) - Making different systems talk to each other - Reliability: making systems work even when their parts fail - Problems that fix themselves - Using Perl alongside other languages - Things I should know about, but don't I suspect other things interest me too, but I thought I'd offer a few ideas to start with. Who's next? Tom From phil at creativespaces.co.uk Thu Sep 3 12:55:10 2009 From: phil at creativespaces.co.uk (Phil Ironside) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 20:55:10 +0100 Subject: Book: Thoughts on The Definitive Guide to Catalyst In-Reply-To: <20090903193221.GC54033@eborcom.com> References: <20090903193221.GC54033@eborcom.com> Message-ID: <20090903205510.26a31c7f@localhost.localdomain> Yo I too am having a dip into the book and although I have not been able to 'play along' with the examples yet as work has been busy, I intend to have a bash at using it for some of my sites. As MST is one of the co-authors it also seems very personal somehow. I have also been trying to work out which bit Matt wrote, which may seem a little odd, but interesting all the same. As I go through I hope the learning experience is as good as it promises to be. So often the books I have read deal so much with the higher stuff that the basics are left behind, almost as if to mention them is an admission of not knowing them. -- Cheers Phil Ironside Creative Spaces 01684-561495 http://creativespaces.co.uk http://garden-arts.org.uk http://malvern.lug.org.uk http://birmingham.pm.org From oliver.gorwits at oucs.ox.ac.uk Thu Sep 3 14:06:52 2009 From: oliver.gorwits at oucs.ox.ac.uk (Oliver Gorwits) Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 22:06:52 +0100 Subject: What Shall I Talk About? In-Reply-To: <4A9D2E55.6030501@dave.org.uk> References: <4A9D2E55.6030501@dave.org.uk> Message-ID: <4AA02FEC.2060402@oucs.ox.ac.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dave Cross wrote: > So if there's something you think that you'd like to hear me > waffle on about for half an hour or so, here's your chance. Would you consider talking about what it's like to teach Perl? I don't think too many people get to do such a thing, and teaching programming no doubt has its tricks and gotchas. Also as you've taught some well publicised classes in London and at YAPC (?) recently, perhaps some feedback on who's attending, what they are interested in, and so on. Perl's a mature language and people use it for a lot more than CGI nowadays ;-) - -- Oliver Gorwits, Network and Telecommunications Group, Oxford University Computing Services -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFKoC/s2NPq7pwWBt4RAo/8AKDpZS8R/5DIqUIOPgYvcQHgMV+YPgCgsQ+O T4BoxTg/aubVBNO/3pbA1y4= =1sbJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From oliver.gorwits at oucs.ox.ac.uk Thu Sep 3 14:15:34 2009 From: oliver.gorwits at oucs.ox.ac.uk (Oliver Gorwits) Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 22:15:34 +0100 Subject: Book: Thoughts on The Definitive Guide to Catalyst In-Reply-To: <20090903193221.GC54033@eborcom.com> References: <20090903193221.GC54033@eborcom.com> Message-ID: <4AA031F6.1000105@oucs.ox.ac.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Tom Hukins wrote: > I've been nosing through the book "The Definitive Guide to > Catalyst" lately and I quite like it. > > But I'm not mailing the list to tell you all that I like it, I'm > mailing you because I think you might want to read it even if you > don't use Catalyst or write Web applications. I love it when books have these side effects. I still have my copy of Conway's Object Oriented Perl on the shelf because of chapter two's coverage of references, typeglobs, and other dark arts. Having said that, thank goodness most of the rest of that book is unnecessary, now that we have Moose. I had a bit of a realization just now on how much junk I now *don't* have to know, because of such systems. It leaves space in my brain and schedule for things like writing tests, instead. And so we come full circle to your original point about important things too few people know about. - -- Oliver Gorwits, Network and Telecommunications Group, Oxford University Computing Services -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFKoDH22NPq7pwWBt4RAjXYAKC7JyGDRig6LyO/QXMZCtOAgqT81wCg9hHk ZOd3RhN93xYjP/MXducqyuw= =etQy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dave at dave.org.uk Sat Sep 5 09:00:39 2009 From: dave at dave.org.uk (Dave Cross) Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 17:00:39 +0100 Subject: What Shall I Talk About (2) Message-ID: <4AA28B27.8010507@dave.org.uk> Let's try to impose some structure on this. I've read Tom and Oliver's suggestions and based on those, I've come up with some concrete talk titles. Why don't we spend the next few days voting on these. One of Tom's suggestions was "Maintaining code, and making code maintainable". Based on that, I suggest a talk entitled "How I maintain my CPAN modules". Another of Ton's suggestions was "Making different systems talk to each other". I'm going to stretch that suggestion and propose a talk called "The Planetarium". It's about aggregating RSS and Atom feeds and it will be a (lightly) updated version of a talk I gave in Lisbon. Tom also suggested "Things I should know about, but don't". I don't know what Ton doesn't know about, but I think that more people should know about the new "autodie" pragma. So my next suggestion is a talk called "Easier exception handling with autodie". And finally, there's Oliver's suggestion - "Teaching Perl - Experiences, Anecdotes and Vague Conclusions". If you all vote for your favourite, I'll do the one with the most votes. Those titles again: * How I maintain my CPAN modules * The Planetarium * Easier exception handling with autodie * Teaching Perl - Experiences, Anecdotes and Vague Conclusions Over to you :) Dave... From andyfrommk at googlemail.com Sat Sep 5 13:00:09 2009 From: andyfrommk at googlemail.com (Andy Selby) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 21:00:09 +0100 Subject: What Shall I Talk About (2) In-Reply-To: <4AA28B27.8010507@dave.org.uk> References: <4AA28B27.8010507@dave.org.uk> Message-ID: <27183a390909051300k3a201164lf90a8fef55a98fa1@mail.gmail.com> > * How I maintain my CPAN modules +1 > * The Planetarium > * Easier exception handling with autodie > * Teaching Perl - Experiences, Anecdotes and Vague Conclusions From cjbradford at gmail.com Mon Sep 7 03:26:06 2009 From: cjbradford at gmail.com (Colin Bradford) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 11:26:06 +0100 Subject: What Shall I Talk About (2) In-Reply-To: <4AA28B27.8010507@dave.org.uk> References: <4AA28B27.8010507@dave.org.uk> Message-ID: <3270acc60909070326r5d83b0dtfef9952331bfdfa4@mail.gmail.com> Personally, I'd prefer one of these two: > * How I maintain my CPAN modules > * Teaching Perl - Experiences, Anecdotes and Vague Conclusions Thanks, Colin. From tom at eborcom.com Mon Sep 7 03:38:04 2009 From: tom at eborcom.com (Tom Hukins) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 11:38:04 +0100 Subject: What Shall I Talk About (2) In-Reply-To: <3270acc60909070326r5d83b0dtfef9952331bfdfa4@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AA28B27.8010507@dave.org.uk> <3270acc60909070326r5d83b0dtfef9952331bfdfa4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090907103804.GJ54033@eborcom.com> On Mon, Sep 07, 2009 at 11:26:06AM +0100, Colin Bradford wrote: > Personally, I'd prefer one of these two: > > > * How I maintain my CPAN modules > > * Teaching Perl - Experiences, Anecdotes and Vague Conclusions Hey! I was thinking exactly the same thing, so I'd like to add half a vote to each. Also, I've not mentioned on the list yet, but we've confirmed the meeting for Thursday, 15th of October. I mentioned this on IRC and the Web site, but I'm waiting for speakers who aren't Dave or JJ to confirm their talks before I write a formal announcement. If you didn't receive private mail from me and you want to give a five minute talk, please let me know - I'd like to hear what you have to tell us about. We might have room for a 20-30 minute talk too, if you want to present something in more detail. Tom From tony.edwardson at hsbcib.com Mon Sep 7 04:40:07 2009 From: tony.edwardson at hsbcib.com (tony.edwardson at hsbcib.com) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 12:40:07 +0100 Subject: What Shall I Talk About (2) In-Reply-To: <3270acc60909070326r5d83b0dtfef9952331bfdfa4@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AA28B27.8010507@dave.org.uk> <3270acc60909070326r5d83b0dtfef9952331bfdfa4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I concur =- my preferences too Cheers Tony Colin Bradford To Sent by: Dave Cross miltonkeynes-pm-b cc ounces Milton Keynes Perl Mongers +tony.edwardson=u sa.net at pm.org Subject Re: What Shall I Talk About (2) Entity 07/09/2009 11:26 HSBC Bank plc - HBEU Mail Size: 6510 Personally, I'd prefer one of these two: > * How I maintain my CPAN modules > * Teaching Perl - Experiences, Anecdotes and Vague Conclusions ************************************************************ HSBC Bank plc Registered Office: 8 Canada Square, London E14 5HQ Registered in England - Number 14259 Authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority ************************************************************ ----------------------------------------- SAVE PAPER - THINK BEFORE YOU PRINT! 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From dave at dave.org.uk Wed Sep 9 08:43:15 2009 From: dave at dave.org.uk (Dave Cross) Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 16:43:15 +0100 Subject: What Shall I Talk About (2) In-Reply-To: <4AA28B27.8010507@dave.org.uk> References: <4AA28B27.8010507@dave.org.uk> Message-ID: <4AA7CD13.4020602@dave.org.uk> Current votes (including an off-list vote for autodie) * How I maintain my CPAN modules - 2.5 * The Planetarium - 0 * Easier exception handling with autodie - 1 * Teaching Perl - Experiences, Anecdotes and Vague Conclusions - 1.5 Let's have one more day of voting. I'll close votes at 5pm (Milton Keynes time) tomorrow. Dave... From oliver.gorwits at oucs.ox.ac.uk Thu Sep 10 11:10:25 2009 From: oliver.gorwits at oucs.ox.ac.uk (Oliver Gorwits) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:10:25 +0100 Subject: What Shall I Talk About (2) In-Reply-To: <4AA7CD13.4020602@dave.org.uk> References: <4AA28B27.8010507@dave.org.uk> <4AA7CD13.4020602@dave.org.uk> Message-ID: <4AA94111.6060505@oucs.ox.ac.uk> Dave Cross wrote: > Current votes (including an off-list vote for autodie) > > * How I maintain my CPAN modules - 2.5 > * Teaching Perl - Experiences, Anecdotes and Vague Conclusions > - 1.5 +1 for these two if I've not already voted(!) and if it's not yet past 5pm MK time ;-) -- Oliver Gorwits, Network and Telecommunications Group, Oxford University Computing Services From dave at dave.org.uk Thu Sep 10 12:23:54 2009 From: dave at dave.org.uk (Dave Cross) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:23:54 +0100 Subject: What Shall I Talk About (2) In-Reply-To: <4AA94111.6060505@oucs.ox.ac.uk> References: <4AA28B27.8010507@dave.org.uk> <4AA7CD13.4020602@dave.org.uk> <4AA94111.6060505@oucs.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4AA9524A.5040901@dave.org.uk> On 10/09/09 19:10, Oliver Gorwits wrote: > Dave Cross wrote: >> Current votes (including an off-list vote for autodie) >> >> * How I maintain my CPAN modules - 2.5 >> * Teaching Perl - Experiences, Anecdotes and Vague Conclusions >> - 1.5 > > +1 for these two if I've not already voted(!) and if it's not yet > past 5pm MK time ;-) Doesn't affect the result either way. Those were the two most popular choices. And as Tom seems to be short of a speaker, I've volunteered to give two talks - so those will be the two talks that I'll give. Thanks for your input everyone. See you in October. Dave... p.s. Any chance of a lift from the railway station? From cjbradford at gmail.com Thu Sep 10 13:55:08 2009 From: cjbradford at gmail.com (Colin Bradford) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:55:08 +0100 Subject: What Shall I Talk About (2) In-Reply-To: <4AA9524A.5040901@dave.org.uk> References: <4AA28B27.8010507@dave.org.uk> <4AA7CD13.4020602@dave.org.uk> <4AA94111.6060505@oucs.ox.ac.uk> <4AA9524A.5040901@dave.org.uk> Message-ID: <3270acc60909101355h625cbe3aya2dc90470d7669bc@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/10 Dave Cross : > p.s. Any chance of a lift from the railway station? I'm intending to drive to the meeting, and will be coming virtually past the station, so I can give you a lift. Cheers, Colin. From jj at jonallen.info Wed Sep 16 09:13:21 2009 From: jj at jonallen.info (JJ) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 17:13:21 +0100 Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Birmingham.pm Technical Meeting, Wednesday 23rd September Message-ID: Event: Technical Meeting Date: Wednesday 23rd September 2009 Times: from 7pm onwards (see below) Venue: The Victoria, 48 John Bright Street, Birmingham, B1 1BN Details: http://birmingham.pm.org/tech/next Intro: This month we're lucky to have two special guest speakers - Nick Harewood and Stuart Langridge. They'll be taking us beyond the realms of Perl, with Stuart talking about the latest web trends in the Python community, and Nick will be speaking about Mictosoft Silverlight and Expression Studio. This will be a great opportunity to find out what's happening in other languages, and in addition I'll be talking about building web mashups with Perl and Catalyst. Talks: * Silverlight and Expression Studio [Nick Harewood] * Python Web Trends [Stuart Langridge] * Web Mashups with Catalyst [Jon Allen (JJ)] Venue: The Victoria, 48 John Bright Street, Birmingham, B1 1BN - http://www.pubs247.co.uk/pubPages/pub.asp?id=24358&from=&promotion= - http://birmingham.pm.org/images/upload/victoria.jpg - http://www.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&client=firefox-a&q=the+victoria+pub&near=Birmingham&radius=0.0&cd=1&cid=52482921,-1893619,7492755984503563963&li=lmd&z=14&t=m The venue is approximately 5-10 minutes walk from New Street station. For those travelling by car, although there is on street parking around the venue, you may have to use the red cage by the flyover (opposite he Mailbox). For further directions and parking see details on the website: http://birmingham.pm.org/cgi-bin/brum.pl?act=tech-next Times: These are the rough times for the evening: * arrivals from 7pm * food available until 9pm * talks: 8.00-10.00pm * pub closes: 11.00pm Cheers, JJ -- Treat your home, treat someone special, treat yourself... at http://www.pennysarcade.co.uk Join us on Facebook: http://www.pennysarcade.co.uk/facebook Follow us on Twitter: http://twitter.com/pennysarcade From tom at eborcom.com Wed Sep 16 11:32:44 2009 From: tom at eborcom.com (Tom Hukins) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:32:44 +0100 Subject: Technical Meeting: Thursday 15th October, 2009 Message-ID: <20090916183244.GX54033@eborcom.com> Milton Keynes Perl Mongers will hold our fourth and final technical meeting of 2009 on Thursday 15th October at the Open University's Systems Seminar Room. Arrive at 7pm so the first talk can start promptly at 7.15. This meeting is open to regular group members, newcomers and anyone else who would like to listen to the talks. If you can think of anyone who might like to come, please invite them. We have a Dave Cross double bill for two of our talks. Dave will share experiences, anecdotes and vague conclusions from teaching Perl. Then he will tell us how he manages to maintain so many CPAN modules: http://search.cpan.org/~davecross/ Katherine Spice will talk about load balancing with Perlbal. Tony Edwardson will talk about using Moose to build an object oriented application, building on the talk he gave earlier this year. We have a couple of Catalyst related five minute lightning talks too: Benjamin Martin will describe his experience of Catalyst from a new user's perspective. Jon Allen will talk about his module for creating thumbnail images with Catalyst Finally, remember to arrive at the OU for 7pm on Thursday 15th July. Here's how to find us: First, find the OU campus as described at http://www3.open.ac.uk/contact/locations.aspx Enter the campus (signposted Open University, not Open University East), via Brickhill Street (V10). Take the middle lane past Security (on the left), through the barriers, and then turn right on to Ring Road East. Ahead you will see the road narrows to single lane on your side of the road, where there are no entry signs. Just prior to this is the entrance to a car park on the left (marked Inner East Parking on the campus map). Take this left turn and head to the top left (North West on the campus map) of the car park. The meeting is in the south east section of the Venables Building, nearest the Inner East Parking on the campus map. Take the path (marked in orange on the campus map) west from the car park toward the centre of campus. Take a right under an archway in to the courtyard area bound by Venables South, East, and South East, keeping right (heading North East on the campus map), behind the building section marked South East. You will find a double door on your right, which is Entrance G at the South East section of Venables Building. We'll see you there, as these are usually access controlled doors, so you will probably need to be let in. If you haven't attended one of our meetings at the OU before, you might want to ask for someone's phone number in case you have trouble finding us. If you need a lift to the meeting, please ask our mailing list or IRC channel (see http://miltonkeynes.pm.org/ for details). See you on the 15th, Tom From I.A.Cameron at open.ac.uk Thu Sep 17 13:34:43 2009 From: I.A.Cameron at open.ac.uk (Ian Cameron) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 21:34:43 +0100 Subject: Milton Keynes Beer Festival '09 Message-ID: The 2009 MK beer festival is on from Thursday 29th to Saturday 31st October. It is held at The Pitz, Woughton Centre, Leadonhall, MK: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&source=hp&q=the+pitz&ie=UTF8&ll=52.032218,-0.750246&spn=0.025399,0.065446&z=15&iwloc=C It usually starts at midday each day, ending at 23:00 on Thursday and Friday, and 22:30 on Saturday. Admission is free to CAMRA members, and is free to non-members before 5pm every day, and all day Saturday. If you are a non-member, admission on the Thursday and Friday evenings after 5pm will be ?3.00. There are a few people from MKLUG/MKPM going on the Friday. Some will be there from mid afternoon, while others will join from early evening onwards. There's a Facebook event here: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=249889320460&index=1 Please add yourself and invite others if you wish. Look forward to seeing some of you there. -- Cheers, Ian. The Open University is incorporated by Royal Charter (RC 000391), an exempt charity in England & Wales and a charity registered in Scotland (SC 038302). From tom at eborcom.com Wed Sep 23 08:04:59 2009 From: tom at eborcom.com (Tom Hukins) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:04:59 +0100 Subject: Help Wanted Message-ID: <20090923150459.GZ54033@eborcom.com> Hi all, Most of the organisational things tick over quite nicely in MKPM-land. We've been doing this for four years now, and everything that once seemed exciting and new now follows a routine pattern. Which makes life easy. But I'm still the single point of failure for a few things. So I thought I should ask for help managing this mailing list. It's a trivial task: every couple of weeks or so I need to click on something in a friendly Mailman Web interface to approve a post or ignore spam. It's about 15 minutes' work each month. In general, it seems wise to have more than one of us looking after the list, and I'm mentioning it now because I'm off on holiday soon. Also, soon I will have organised all 11 of our technical meetings. Would someone else like to organise January's? Can you think of anything else you would like to help out with? Of course, I'll provide any support asked for, try not to nag and let volunteers do things their own way. Please tell me when I do badly at that. Thanks, Tom From dave at dave.org.uk Thu Sep 24 02:32:17 2009 From: dave at dave.org.uk (Dave Cross) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 10:32:17 +0100 Subject: What Shall I Talk About (2) In-Reply-To: <3270acc60909101355h625cbe3aya2dc90470d7669bc@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AA28B27.8010507@dave.org.uk> <4AA7CD13.4020602@dave.org.uk> <4AA94111.6060505@oucs.ox.ac.uk> <4AA9524A.5040901@dave.org.uk> <3270acc60909101355h625cbe3aya2dc90470d7669bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ABB3CA1.40401@dave.org.uk> On 10/09/2009 21:55, Colin Bradford wrote: > 2009/9/10 Dave Cross: > >> p.s. Any chance of a lift from the railway station? > > I'm intending to drive to the meeting, and will be coming virtually > past the station, so I can give you a lift. Colin, Sorry, I meant to reply to this two weeks ago. That would be great thanks. I'll let you know when I've worked out when my train gets in. Cheers, Dave... From andyfrommk at googlemail.com Thu Sep 24 12:31:47 2009 From: andyfrommk at googlemail.com (Andy Selby) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:31:47 +0100 Subject: Meeting: Tuesday 29th September Message-ID: <27183a390909241231m351a0a23ia5898f13a40c6581@mail.gmail.com> The monthly MKLUG/MiltonKeynes.pm meet-up is nearly upon us! As ever, it will be held at the Wetherspoons pub, near the railway station (not the one in the snow dome), next door to Chiquitos: http://miltonkeynes.openguides.org/?J.D_Wetherspoon%2C_Central_Milton_Keynes Using Perl on a job or just as a hobby? Want to tell people how you solved a complex problem using Perl or do you need help on a Perl-related problem* All skill levels are welcome and catered for. We start at 7pm and are usually the last ones to leave the pub *http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html From tom at eborcom.com Mon Sep 28 07:00:33 2009 From: tom at eborcom.com (Tom Hukins) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:00:33 +0100 Subject: Help Wanted In-Reply-To: <20090923150459.GZ54033@eborcom.com> References: <20090923150459.GZ54033@eborcom.com> Message-ID: <20090928140033.GB54033@eborcom.com> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 04:04:59PM +0100, Tom Hukins wrote: > Also, soon I will have organised all 11 of our technical meetings. > Would someone else like to organise January's? I discussed this with Ian last week and we decided we will both offer to organise one technical meeting each if two other people offer to do the same. Given that we'll both help out when asked, this isn't a huge job, just something that spreads the work and the experience. Coincidentally, Peter also suggested having four different people organise next year's meetings, so it looks like something we generally agree on. I've not heard from anyone else. Now's the time to speak up if you want these meetings to happen. > In general, it seems wise to have more than one of us looking after > the list, and I'm mentioning it now because I'm off on holiday soon. Thanks to Ian for also offering to do this. Having one more administrator would be ideal, but we can cope with two. Tom From tom at eborcom.com Mon Sep 28 07:22:11 2009 From: tom at eborcom.com (Tom Hukins) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:22:11 +0100 Subject: Help Wanted In-Reply-To: <20090928140033.GB54033@eborcom.com> References: <20090923150459.GZ54033@eborcom.com> <20090928140033.GB54033@eborcom.com> Message-ID: <20090928142211.GC54033@eborcom.com> On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 03:00:33PM +0100, Tom Hukins wrote: > Thanks to Ian for also offering to do this. ..and now thank you to Tony. We have enough people to look after the list and just need one more meeting organiser. And it looks like tomorrow is the last Tuesday of the month. So if you have any spare money burdening your pockets, make sure you buy Ian and/or Tony a drink. See you in Wetherspoon's tomorrow, Tom