From frankchang91 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 13:06:47 2008
From: frankchang91 at gmail.com (Frank Chang)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 18:06:47 -0200
Subject: MiltonKeynes-pm Digest, Vol 37, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <mailman.27.1222887631.9677.miltonkeynes-pm@pm.org>
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Message-ID: <568ca38c0810011306n107fd0a0m4c94214179cba25c@mail.gmail.com>

   Dear Mailing List members, I fixed the SWIG Perl C++ enumeration problem
today. I will now hand code the Perl XS module and compare the CPU times to
see if the hand coded Perl XS module is faster than the SWIG wrapper. Thank
you.

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> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:33:04 -0200
> From: "Frank Chang" <frankchang91 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Swig Perl C++ enumeration issue
> To: miltonkeynes-pm at pm.org
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>      Hi, We are trying to use SWIG 1.3.36 with perl  5.8.8 and the Visual
> Studio C++ 2005 compiler. The header file used in our mdMatchup.i file is
> shown below. In our mdMatchup.i , we are using the module mdMatchupTest. We
> ran swig -c++ -perl mdMatchup.i and obtained mdMatchup.pm and
> mdMatchup_wrap.cxx.
>       We read that SWIG Perl can handle C++ enumerations. But, when we use
> the enumerations in our test.pl program:
>
> #!perl.exe -w
> use strict;
> use mdMatchupTest;
>
> my $readwrite;
> $readwrite = mdMatchupTestc::new_mdMUReadWrite();
>
> mdMatchupTestc::mdMUReadWrite_SetLicenseString($readwrite,"LL58JH2Y");
>
> mdMatchupTestc::mdMUReadWrite_SetPathToMatchUpFiles($readwrite,"C:\\MatchupAPI\\Distribution");
> if (mdMatchupTestc::mdMUReadWrite_InitializeDataFiles($readwrite) !=
> $mdMatchupc::mdMUReadWrite_NoError ){
>  print( "Failed to Initialize mdMatchupTestc::mdMUReadWrite ",
>  mdMatchupTestc::mdMUReadWrite_GetInitializeErrorString($readwrite). "\n");
> }
>
> we get the Perl interprepter message : Name
> "mdMatchupc::mdMUReadWrite_NoError" used only once: possible typo at
> test.pl
> line 10
> Use of uninitialized value in numeric ne (!=) at test.pl line 10.
>  When we examine the mdMatchup.pm,  we see that
> mdMatchupc::mdMUReadWrite_NoError looks like a string. An excerpt of
> mdMatchup.pm is shown below.
>  Is there a correct way to use SWIG packages with C++ enumerations in our
> perl program? Thank you.
>
> -------------------------------------mdMatchup.pm---------------------------------
> ############# Class : mdMatchupTest::mdMUReadWrite ##############
> package mdMatchupTest::mdMUReadWrite;
> use vars qw(@ISA %OWNER %ITERATORS %BLESSEDMEMBERS);
> @ISA = qw( mdMatchupTest );
> %OWNER = ();
> %ITERATORS = ();
> *NoError = *mdMatchupTestc::mdMUReadWrite_NoError;
> *ConfigFile = *mdMatchupTestc::mdMUReadWrite_ConfigFile;
>
> -------------------------------------mdMatchup.h------------------------------------
> #if !defined(MDMATCHUP_H)
> #define MDMATCHUP_H
> #if !defined(MDAPI)
> #if defined(_WIN32) || defined(_WIN64)
> #define MDAPI __declspec(dllimport)
> #else
> #define MDAPI
> #define __stdcall
> #endif
> #endif
> /*
> * C++ version of interface
> */
>
> class MDAPI mdMUReadWrite
> {
> protected:
> struct mdMUReadWrite_ *I;
> private: /* disable implicit constructor and assignment */
> mdMUReadWrite(mdMUReadWrite &X);
> mdMUReadWrite& operator=(mdMUReadWrite &X);
> public:
> enum ProgramStatus {
> NoError=0,
> ConfigFile=1,
> LicenseExpired=2,
> DatabaseExpired=3
> };
>
> mdMUReadWrite();
> ~mdMUReadWrite();
>
> /* Setup methods */
> void SetPathToMatchUpFiles(const char *Path);
> void SetMatchcodeName(const char *MatchcodeName);
> void SetMatchcodeObject(mdMUMatchcode *Matchcode);
> void SetKeyFile(const char *KeyFile);
> enum ProgramStatus InitializeDataFiles();
> const char *GetInitializeErrorString();
> void Initialize(void);
> int SetLicenseString(const char*);
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From oliver.gorwits at oucs.ox.ac.uk  Mon Oct  6 23:57:01 2008
From: oliver.gorwits at oucs.ox.ac.uk (Oliver Gorwits)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 07:57:01 +0100
Subject: OpenGuides hackfest, 18th-19th October
Message-ID: <48EB083D.5070003@oucs.ox.ac.uk>

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Hello,

In just under two weeks' time, there will be an OpenGuides hackfest
in Oxford, to work on improving the software through programming,
design and inspiration.

OpenGuides? is a network of free, community-maintained wiki
guidebooks to places around the world. The OpenGuides system is free
software, written in Perl, and is available for download from the CPAN.

There is a web page about the hackfest at

   <http://dev.openguides.org/wiki/OxfordHackfest2008>.

Do feel free to come along if you have a day or weekend free and
you'd like to help with the idea of freely available,
community-driven content about Oxford and many other localities -
and pass this message on to anyone would you think would be interested.

(There is a rather neglected Milton Keynes OpenGuides site as well.)

regards,
oliver.
- --
Oliver Gorwits, Network and Telecommunications Group,
Oxford University Computing Services
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From Tony.Edwardson at commerzbank.com  Wed Oct 15 00:22:08 2008
From: Tony.Edwardson at commerzbank.com (Edwardson, Tony)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:22:08 +0200
Subject: Visiting Birmingham Perl Mongers
In-Reply-To: <20080917120903.GF31275@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <20080917110440.GE31275@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk>
	<F911FB881481FD449EDC83805CF57DE901920C10@sv091885.ztb.icb.commerzbank.com>
	<20080917120903.GF31275@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <F911FB881481FD449EDC83805CF57DE9026A9409@sv091885.ztb.icb.commerzbank.com>

Hi Barbie

I am sorry to say that I am going to have to pull out of our visit next
week.
I work for an Investment bank and as I am sure you are aware, Investment
banking is in a bit of turmoil at the moment.
This has resulted in a massive increase in work and I have only managed
to take three days off in the last two months - I only had last weekend
off because I insisted on having a break. I have been doing an average
of 2 hours every evening as well as a full day at work.
Next week is our final week of UAT and there is scheduled work every
night - most of it down to me.
The chances are that I won't be able to get away from work early enough
to get to Birmingham in time and will probably have to work in the
evening too.
I thought it best to pull the plug now rather than hope I can make it
and then let you down at the last minute.
I have also offered to give a lift to the MKPM attendees and will have
to retract that too - sorry guys.
In all probability, I will be working every day until the end of my
contract at the end of November and then be out of a job

Apologies
Tony 



--

-----Original Message-----
From: Barbie [mailto:barbie at missbarbell.co.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 1:09 PM
To: Edwardson, Tony
Subject: Re: Visiting Birmingham Perl Mongers

Hi Tony,

> I should be able to keep everyone awake for 20 minutes ;-)

:) 

You've been duly added to the website. Thanks for offering to talk.

Cheers,
Barbie.
-- 
Birmingham Perl Mongers <http://birmingham.pm.org>
Memoirs Of A Roadie <http://barbie.missbarbell.co.uk>



From barbie at missbarbell.co.uk  Wed Oct 15 01:32:27 2008
From: barbie at missbarbell.co.uk (Barbie)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:32:27 +0100
Subject: Visiting Birmingham Perl Mongers
In-Reply-To: <F911FB881481FD449EDC83805CF57DE9026A9409@sv091885.ztb.icb.commerzbank.com>
References: <20080917110440.GE31275@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk>
	<F911FB881481FD449EDC83805CF57DE901920C10@sv091885.ztb.icb.commerzbank.com>
	<20080917120903.GF31275@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk>
	<F911FB881481FD449EDC83805CF57DE9026A9409@sv091885.ztb.icb.commerzbank.com>
Message-ID: <20081015083227.GF26630@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk>

Hi Tony,

> In all probability, I will be working every day until the end of my
> contract at the end of November and then be out of a job

Ouch!

No problem with not being able to make it. Hopefully we can encourage
you guys to visit again next year too, when things are a little less
traumatic, and you'll be able to speak then.

Hopefully Tom and Peter are still on for the trip, and if Oliver is able
to make it too, then we can still have a nice selection of talks. We
should be able to have a talk or two on standby if required either way
:)

Cheers,
Barbie.
-- 
Birmingham Perl Mongers <http://birmingham.pm.org>
Memoirs Of A Roadie <http://barbie.missbarbell.co.uk>



From andyfrommk at googlemail.com  Wed Oct 15 03:44:49 2008
From: andyfrommk at googlemail.com (Andy Selby)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:44:49 +0100
Subject: Visiting Birmingham Perl Mongers
In-Reply-To: <F911FB881481FD449EDC83805CF57DE9026A9409@sv091885.ztb.icb.commerzbank.com>
References: <20080917110440.GE31275@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk>
	<F911FB881481FD449EDC83805CF57DE901920C10@sv091885.ztb.icb.commerzbank.com>
	<20080917120903.GF31275@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk>
	<F911FB881481FD449EDC83805CF57DE9026A9409@sv091885.ztb.icb.commerzbank.com>
Message-ID: <27183a390810150344v55ed04a5y4e096dedc9d48c32@mail.gmail.com>

> I have also offered to give a lift to the MKPM attendees and will have
> to retract that too - sorry guys.
>
> Apologies
> Tony

No worries, Tony, we understand, you dont want to spend ~11 hours a
day with perl and then use your free time to talk about perl.
So guys, how are we going to get down there? Train, cram into someones
car, hire minivan?

From peter at dragonstaff.com  Wed Oct 15 13:37:35 2008
From: peter at dragonstaff.com (peter at dragonstaff.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:37:35 +0100
Subject: Visiting Birmingham Perl Mongers
In-Reply-To: <20081015083227.GF26630@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <20080917110440.GE31275@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk>
	<F911FB881481FD449EDC83805CF57DE901920C10@sv091885.ztb.icb.commerzbank.com>
	<20080917120903.GF31275@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk>
	<F911FB881481FD449EDC83805CF57DE9026A9409@sv091885.ztb.icb.commerzbank.com>
	<20081015083227.GF26630@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20081015213735.4ssdz5g2kg00s0gk@webmail.dragonstaff.com>

Hope things look up for you soon Tony!

> Hopefully Tom and Peter are still on for the trip, and if Oliver is able
> to make it too, then we can still have a nice selection of talks.

I'd be happy to drive us up. What time do you normally start your tech meet?

Thanks, Peter




From barbie at missbarbell.co.uk  Wed Oct 15 14:46:10 2008
From: barbie at missbarbell.co.uk (Barbie)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:46:10 +0100
Subject: Visiting Birmingham Perl Mongers
In-Reply-To: <20081015213735.4ssdz5g2kg00s0gk@webmail.dragonstaff.com>
References: <20080917110440.GE31275@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk>
	<F911FB881481FD449EDC83805CF57DE901920C10@sv091885.ztb.icb.commerzbank.com>
	<20080917120903.GF31275@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk>
	<F911FB881481FD449EDC83805CF57DE9026A9409@sv091885.ztb.icb.commerzbank.com>
	<20081015083227.GF26630@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk>
	<20081015213735.4ssdz5g2kg00s0gk@webmail.dragonstaff.com>
Message-ID: <20081015214609.GK26630@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk>

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 09:37:35PM +0100, peter at dragonstaff.com wrote:
> Hope things look up for you soon Tony!
> 
> >Hopefully Tom and Peter are still on for the trip, and if Oliver is able
> >to make it too, then we can still have a nice selection of talks.
> 
> I'd be happy to drive us up. What time do you normally start your tech meet?

We usually meet for food from about 7pm, then start the talks at 8pm. 

I'll sort out the official announcement tomorrow and send it to the MK
list too. It has all the details and directions for you.

Cheers,
Barbie.
-- 
Birmingham Perl Mongers <http://birmingham.pm.org>
Memoirs Of A Roadie <http://barbie.missbarbell.co.uk>



From barbie at missbarbell.co.uk  Thu Oct 16 02:44:04 2008
From: barbie at missbarbell.co.uk (Barbie)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:44:04 +0100
Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Technical Meeting - Wednesday 22nd October 2008
Message-ID: <20081016094404.GA21193@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk>

Event:   Technical Meeting
Date:    Wednesday 22nd October 2008
Times:   from 7pm onwards (see below)
Venue:   The Old Joint Stock, 4 Temple Row West, Birmingham, B2 5NY
Details: http://birmingham.pm.org/cgi-bin/brum.pl?act=tech-next

Intro:

This month is a special occasion, as we have a notable visit from Milton
Keynes Perl Mongers, who will also doing a couple of talks for us.
Please come along and say hello, and hopefully learn a thing or two
about Perl as well :)

  http://miltonkeynes.pm.org/

Once again we'll be at The Old Joint Stock, in their Club Room at the
back of the pub on the ground floor. The room has been booked from
roughly 7pm, but if you turn up earlier it shouldn't be a problem. If
anyone asks, say you're with Barbie from Birmingham Perl Mongers and are
there for the meeting. Food is available until about 9pm, but order when
you get there so we can start the talks after we're all fed and watered.

Talks:

* Logging With Perl [Tom Hukins]
* Role Base Access Controls [Peter Edwards]

Unfortunately Tony Edwardson has had to cancel his attendance, although
we potentially have Oliver Gorwits pencilled in should he be able to
make it. If anyone wants to do a short talk, please let me know.

Venue:

The Old Joint Stock, 
4 Temple Row West, 
Birmingham, 
B2 5NY 
(Tel: 0121 200 1892)

- http://www.oldjointstocktheatre.co.uk/rte.asp?id=10
- http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=406885&y=286997&z=1&sv=406750,286750&st=4&ar=Y&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf

The venue is approximately 10 minutes walk from New Street station, less
than 5 minutes from Snow Hill, and opposite St Phillips Cathedral. There
is on street parking around the venue for those travelling by car. For
further directions and parking see details on the website:

http://birmingham.pm.org/cgi-bin/brum.pl?act=tech-next

Times:

These are the rough times for the evening:

* food available until 9pm
* talks: 8.00-10.00pm
* pub closes: 11.00pm


If you have any problems, call me on 0771 401 6184. Hope you can make
it.

Cheers,
Barbie.
-- 
Birmingham Perl Mongers <http://birmingham.pm.org>



From peter at dragonstaff.com  Sun Oct 19 09:49:21 2008
From: peter at dragonstaff.com (Peter Edwards)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:49:21 +0100
Subject: Trip to Brum
Message-ID: <DE32687E601343D8B6F790DABD3C2085@DRAGON1>

Hi, anyone else going up to this and if so how do you want to travel?
It would be easiest for me to get the train from London straight up there -
need to check how far from station to venue - though I could drive from MK
if there are several of us if I take a half day off work.

Ta, Peter

 
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From oliver.gorwits at oucs.ox.ac.uk  Sun Oct 19 10:56:39 2008
From: oliver.gorwits at oucs.ox.ac.uk (Oliver Gorwits)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 18:56:39 +0100
Subject: Visiting Birmingham Perl Mongers
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Barbie wrote:
> Hopefully Tom and Peter are still on for the trip, and if Oliver
> is able to make it too, then we can still have a nice selection
> of talks. We should be able to have a talk or two on standby if
> required either way :)

I'm sadly going to have to raincheck on this - partly because our
lovely train system isn't good enough to let me get home, but also I
have a hell of a day planned at work on Tuesday so I'll probably be
(a) half asleep and (b) working late.

Sorry to miss you :-(

- --
Oliver Gorwits, Network and Telecommunications Group,
Oxford University Computing Services
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From tom at eborcom.com  Sun Oct 19 11:11:30 2008
From: tom at eborcom.com (Tom Hukins)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 19:11:30 +0100
Subject: Trip to Brum
In-Reply-To: <DE32687E601343D8B6F790DABD3C2085@DRAGON1>
References: <DE32687E601343D8B6F790DABD3C2085@DRAGON1>
Message-ID: <20081019181130.GA54153@eborcom.com>

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 05:49:21PM +0100, Peter Edwards wrote:
> Hi, anyone else going up to this and if so how do you want to travel?

I'm giving a talk, but haven't thought about travel yet (I've been
away for a week).

> It would be easiest for me to get the train from London straight up there -
> need to check how far from station to venue - though I could drive from MK
> if there are several of us if I take a half day off work.

Whichever you choose, I'll join you as I'll be in London on Wednesday
too.

Tom

From peter at dragonstaff.com  Sun Oct 19 14:56:47 2008
From: peter at dragonstaff.com (Peter Edwards)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 22:56:47 +0100
Subject: Trip to Brum
In-Reply-To: <20081019181130.GA54153@eborcom.com>
References: <DE32687E601343D8B6F790DABD3C2085@DRAGON1>
	<20081019181130.GA54153@eborcom.com>
Message-ID: <4323728FA2CA4016AD0D5EA403997084@DRAGON1>

Hi Tom, 

The train timetable looks like:

Out
17:10 from London Euston getting to Birmingham New St. at 18:39, takes 1:29.
17:30 from Euston to New St. at 18:58, takes 1:28.
17:50 from Euston to New St. at 19:27, takes 1:37.

Return 
22:03 from New St. cross country to Tamworth 22:18 connect 22:24 to Virgin
train to MK 23:11, takes 1:08.
23:00 from New St. Virgin train to MK 00:14, takes 1:14.

Or by car

a) train from Euston circa 16:45 to MK 17:30.
Leaving MK at 17:30 arriving New St. 19:01 takes 1:31 (72 miles).
Return car to MK leaving 22:00 arrives 23:18, takes 1:18.

I think the train option looks more sensible unless some others from
MiltonKeynes.pm also want go?

Regards, Peter


-----Original Message-----
From: miltonkeynes-pm-bounces+peter=dragonstaff.com at pm.org
[mailto:miltonkeynes-pm-bounces+peter=dragonstaff.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of
Tom Hukins
Sent: 19 October 2008 19:12
To: 'Milton Keynes Perl Mongers'
Subject: Re: Trip to Brum

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 05:49:21PM +0100, Peter Edwards wrote:
> Hi, anyone else going up to this and if so how do you want to travel?

I'm giving a talk, but haven't thought about travel yet (I've been away for
a week).

> It would be easiest for me to get the train from London straight up 
> there - need to check how far from station to venue - though I could 
> drive from MK if there are several of us if I take a half day off work.

Whichever you choose, I'll join you as I'll be in London on Wednesday too.

Tom


From peter at dragonstaff.com  Sun Oct 19 14:58:35 2008
From: peter at dragonstaff.com (Peter Edwards)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 22:58:35 +0100
Subject: FW: Trip to Brum
Message-ID: <E7742360AF1F4499ACBE42E2B2038238@DRAGON1>

 
I think this was for the list :)

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Selby [mailto:andyfrommk at googlemail.com] 
Sent: 19 October 2008 18:46
To: Peter Edwards
Subject: Re: Trip to Brum

I'm going

> though I could drive from MK
> if there are several of us if I take a half day off work.

I don't want to put you out, I can take a train too, or, instead of taking
the train we use the ticket money to compensate Peters half day off & fuel
costs?


From barbie at missbarbell.co.uk  Mon Oct 20 02:55:39 2008
From: barbie at missbarbell.co.uk (Barbie)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:55:39 +0100
Subject: Trip to Brum
In-Reply-To: <DE32687E601343D8B6F790DABD3C2085@DRAGON1>
References: <DE32687E601343D8B6F790DABD3C2085@DRAGON1>
Message-ID: <20081020095539.GG32297@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk>

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 05:49:21PM +0100, Peter Edwards wrote:
> Hi, anyone else going up to this and if so how do you want to travel?
> It would be easiest for me to get the train from London straight up there -
> need to check how far from station to venue

About 5-10mins depending on the exit.

If you do come by train, note their are two exits for the platform. The
main exit and the Navigation Street exit. The latter is the quicker
route. Below I'll describe both:

For the Navigation Street exit, head a long the platform heading towards
the tunnel end. At the end of the platform, take the exit up on the
walkway and head out of the ticket barriers. Once onto the main road,
turn right and walk to the corner. Cross over and walk up the hill, on
the predestrian part of the road. This is Temple Street.

You'll cross New Street, but continue up the hill until you reach the
cathedral. Follow the railing round to the left, and the pub is on
Temple Row before you get to Colmore Row.

For the Main exit, follow the "Way Out" signs to roughly the middle of
the of the platform. This will take you up to the main concourse. Exit
through the ticket barriers and head up the escalators. Turn left,
following the arcade round, and then right, heading outside and then
down the ramp. At the bottom of the ramp, turn left, crossing the road,
onto the pedestrian part of New Street. Note: don't walk up the hill.
Take the third thoroughfair on your left, Temple Street, and walk up to
the hill to the cathedral railings. Follow them round tothe pub as
above.

When heading back, note that the Navigation Street entrance closes at
about 9pm.

Look forward to seeing many of you on Wednesday :)

Cheers,
Barbie.
-- 
Birmingham Perl Mongers <http://birmingham.pm.org>
Memoirs Of A Roadie <http://barbie.missbarbell.co.uk>



From tom at eborcom.com  Mon Oct 20 13:10:36 2008
From: tom at eborcom.com (Tom Hukins)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:10:36 +0100
Subject: Trip to Brum
In-Reply-To: <4323728FA2CA4016AD0D5EA403997084@DRAGON1>
References: <DE32687E601343D8B6F790DABD3C2085@DRAGON1>
	<20081019181130.GA54153@eborcom.com>
	<4323728FA2CA4016AD0D5EA403997084@DRAGON1>
Message-ID: <20081020201036.GA63047@eborcom.com>

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 10:56:47PM +0100, Peter Edwards wrote:
> 17:50 from Euston to New St. at 19:27, takes 1:37.

I've booked myself on this one from MK, leaving at 18:25.

> 23:00 from New St. Virgin train to MK 00:14, takes 1:14.

And I'll go for this one and hope I don't fall asleep.

See you soon,
Tom

From andyfrommk at googlemail.com  Tue Oct 21 08:14:59 2008
From: andyfrommk at googlemail.com (Andy Selby)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:14:59 +0100
Subject: FW: Trip to Brum
In-Reply-To: <E7742360AF1F4499ACBE42E2B2038238@DRAGON1>
References: <E7742360AF1F4499ACBE42E2B2038238@DRAGON1>
Message-ID: <27183a390810210814h69e46bd1ncce7bba2e350cd95@mail.gmail.com>

> I think this was for the list :)

Oops, yes it was

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Selby [mailto:andyfrommk at googlemail.com]
> Sent: 19 October 2008 18:46
> To: Peter Edwards
> Subject: Re: Trip to Brum
>
> I'm going

Alas, I'll have to cancel.
Taking the 00:14 train will mean getting back past 1:30 and I have to
get up for 5am.
Whenever I get back from tech meetings and the LUG/PM I find it hard
to get to sleep because my mind is going over the things discussed.
Sorry.
Andy.

From tom at eborcom.com  Tue Oct 21 09:01:43 2008
From: tom at eborcom.com (Tom Hukins)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:01:43 +0100
Subject: FW: Trip to Brum
In-Reply-To: <27183a390810210814h69e46bd1ncce7bba2e350cd95@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E7742360AF1F4499ACBE42E2B2038238@DRAGON1>
	<27183a390810210814h69e46bd1ncce7bba2e350cd95@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081021160143.GA73148@eborcom.com>

On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 04:14:59PM +0100, Andy Selby wrote:
> Taking the 00:14 train will mean getting back past 1:30 and I have to
> get up for 5am.

That's the train's arrival time, and there are earlier trains - I'm
not forcing everyone to do what I do.  I just want to hang around
afterwards.  Then again, I get a lie in ... I don't have to get up
until 6.

> Whenever I get back from tech meetings and the LUG/PM I find it hard
> to get to sleep because my mind is going over the things discussed.

Yeah, my brain's operating system doesn't quite seem to work with my
body's ACPI.  I would wait for the next version, but that feels a bit
morbid.

Tom

From pm at gavinwestwood.co.uk  Tue Oct 21 10:38:04 2008
From: pm at gavinwestwood.co.uk (Gavin Westwood)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:38:04 +0100
Subject: Meeting: Tue 28th October - with special guests!
Message-ID: <48FE137C.10309@gavinwestwood.co.uk>

The monthly MKLUG/MiltonKeynes.pm meet-up is nearly upon us!

Peter will be bringing along a number of his co-workers from the BBC to
the pub after their visit to Bletchley Park that day, so please do come
along - you'll get an opportunity to chat to some different people, and
it would be great to give them a good showing for Milton Keynes.

As ever, it will be held at the Wetherspoons pub, near the railway
station (not the one in the snow dome), next door to Chiquitos:

http://miltonkeynes.openguides.org/?J.D_Wetherspoon%2C_Central_Milton_Keynes

Starting from 8pm, and going on till the last people stumble off home.
Feel free to bring your laptop/Linux device along if you want a hand/to
show off.

I hope to see you there!

Gavin



From andyfrommk at googlemail.com  Tue Oct 21 11:18:03 2008
From: andyfrommk at googlemail.com (Andy Selby)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:18:03 +0100
Subject: FW: Trip to Brum
In-Reply-To: <20081021160143.GA73148@eborcom.com>
References: <E7742360AF1F4499ACBE42E2B2038238@DRAGON1>
	<27183a390810210814h69e46bd1ncce7bba2e350cd95@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081021160143.GA73148@eborcom.com>
Message-ID: <27183a390810211118v7b7da70ejfbbec92678de5676@mail.gmail.com>

>That's the train's arrival time, and there are earlier trains - I'm
>not forcing everyone to do what I do.  I just want to hang around
>afterwards.  Then again, I get a lie in ... I don't have to get up
>until 6.

I hate to leave early, that's why I'm one of the last to leave the lug meetings

Do any of the people going to the tech meeting (that is, Tom and
Peter, apparently) want to take the LinuxPro magazines?
Probably not since you're both on foot but I thought I'd mention it
(there are five mags left).

From barbie at missbarbell.co.uk  Thu Oct 23 02:07:45 2008
From: barbie at missbarbell.co.uk (Barbie)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:07:45 +0100
Subject: November Technical Meeting
In-Reply-To: <20081016101824.GB21193@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <20081016101824.GB21193@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20081023090745.GK7961@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk>

Thanks to everyone who came along last night, and a special thanks to
Tom and Peter for giving their excellent talks. I'll appropriate links
to slides and stuff a little later, and will upload photos as soon as I
can.

For next month we now have JJ, Brian and myself lined up. JJ will be
presenting the talk he plans to give at The London Perl Workshop, Brian
is planning a short talk, which is an update of one he gave 2 or 3 years
ago, and I'll be featuring a few "Cool Hacky Scripts".

If anyone has any other short talks they would like to present,
lightning talk style, whether they're about cool hacky scripts, or other
interesting topics, please let me know.

No venue confirmed for next month yet, but I plan to see if we can
return to The Victoria. Depending how The Dragon Inn fairs for our
social, we may also look to returning there for the technical meetings
in the new year. 

See you next month :)

Cheers,
Barbie.
-- 
Birmingham Perl Mongers <http://birmingham.pm.org>
Memoirs Of A Roadie <http://barbie.missbarbell.co.uk>



From peter at dragonstaff.com  Thu Oct 23 07:06:45 2008
From: peter at dragonstaff.com (peter at dragonstaff.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:06:45 +0100
Subject: November Technical Meeting
In-Reply-To: <20081023090745.GK7961@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <20081016101824.GB21193@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk>
	<20081023090745.GK7961@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20081023150645.t97sdfqpwgockkwk@webmail.dragonstaff.com>

Quoting Barbie <barbie at missbarbell.co.uk>:
> Thanks to everyone who came along last night

Thanks Barbie, a fine time was had and the Ale & Pie pub venue put  
Wetherspoons considerably to shame.
Great to see you all and
I'll look forward to hearing JJ's talk at LPW next month.

Cheers, Peter



From pm at gavinwestwood.co.uk  Tue Oct 28 08:13:34 2008
From: pm at gavinwestwood.co.uk (Gavin Westwood)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:13:34 +0000
Subject: Meeting: Tue 28th October - with special guests!
In-Reply-To: <48FE137C.10309@gavinwestwood.co.uk>
References: <48FE137C.10309@gavinwestwood.co.uk>
Message-ID: <49072C1E.5070609@gavinwestwood.co.uk>

Just to remind people about tonight's meeting, with the visitors coming
from the BBC joining us for the social.

I hope to see lots of you there.

Gavin

On 21/10/08 18:38, Gavin Westwood wrote:
> The monthly MKLUG/MiltonKeynes.pm meet-up is nearly upon us!
>
> Peter will be bringing along a number of his co-workers from the BBC to
> the pub after their visit to Bletchley Park that day, so please do come
> along - you'll get an opportunity to chat to some different people, and
> it would be great to give them a good showing for Milton Keynes.
>
> As ever, it will be held at the Wetherspoons pub, near the railway
> station (not the one in the snow dome), next door to Chiquitos:
>
> http://miltonkeynes.openguides.org/?J.D_Wetherspoon%2C_Central_Milton_Keynes
>
> Starting from 8pm, and going on till the last people stumble off home.
> Feel free to bring your laptop/Linux device along if you want a hand/to
> show off.
>   

From Tony.Edwardson at commerzbank.com  Tue Oct 28 08:15:50 2008
From: Tony.Edwardson at commerzbank.com (Edwardson, Tony)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:15:50 +0100
Subject: Meeting: Tue 28th October - with special guests!
In-Reply-To: <49072C1E.5070609@gavinwestwood.co.uk>
References: <48FE137C.10309@gavinwestwood.co.uk>
	<49072C1E.5070609@gavinwestwood.co.uk>
Message-ID: <F911FB881481FD449EDC83805CF57DE9026A94E8@sv091885.ztb.icb.commerzbank.com>

 
Sorry - I won't be able go get there tonight - I won't be getting home
until about 11pm
Have fun

Tony

--

-----Original Message-----
From: miltonkeynes-pm-bounces+tony.edwardson=commerzbank.com at pm.org
[mailto:miltonkeynes-pm-bounces+tony.edwardson=commerzbank.com at pm.org]
On Behalf Of Gavin Westwood
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 3:14 PM
To: Milton Keynes Perl Mongers
Subject: Re: Meeting: Tue 28th October - with special guests!

Just to remind people about tonight's meeting, with the visitors coming
from the BBC joining us for the social.

I hope to see lots of you there.

Gavin

On 21/10/08 18:38, Gavin Westwood wrote:
> The monthly MKLUG/MiltonKeynes.pm meet-up is nearly upon us!
>
> Peter will be bringing along a number of his co-workers from the BBC
to
> the pub after their visit to Bletchley Park that day, so please do
come
> along - you'll get an opportunity to chat to some different people,
and
> it would be great to give them a good showing for Milton Keynes.
>
> As ever, it will be held at the Wetherspoons pub, near the railway
> station (not the one in the snow dome), next door to Chiquitos:
>
>
http://miltonkeynes.openguides.org/?J.D_Wetherspoon%2C_Central_Milton_Ke
ynes
>
> Starting from 8pm, and going on till the last people stumble off home.
> Feel free to bring your laptop/Linux device along if you want a
hand/to
> show off.
>   
_______________________________________________
MiltonKeynes-pm mailing list
MiltonKeynes-pm at pm.org
http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/miltonkeynes-pm

From pm at gavinwestwood.co.uk  Tue Oct 28 10:34:21 2008
From: pm at gavinwestwood.co.uk (Gavin Westwood)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:34:21 +0000
Subject: Meeting: Tue 28th October - with special guests!
In-Reply-To: <49072C1E.5070609@gavinwestwood.co.uk>
References: <48FE137C.10309@gavinwestwood.co.uk>
	<49072C1E.5070609@gavinwestwood.co.uk>
Message-ID: <49074D1D.9030109@gavinwestwood.co.uk>

For those of you not yet in MK, be aware it is snowing...

Gavin

On 28/10/08 15:13, Gavin Westwood wrote:
> Just to remind people about tonight's meeting, with the visitors coming
> from the BBC joining us for the social.
>
> I hope to see lots of you there.
>
> Gavin
>
> On 21/10/08 18:38, Gavin Westwood wrote:
>   
>> The monthly MKLUG/MiltonKeynes.pm meet-up is nearly upon us!
>>
>> Peter will be bringing along a number of his co-workers from the BBC to
>> the pub after their visit to Bletchley Park that day, so please do come
>> along - you'll get an opportunity to chat to some different people, and
>> it would be great to give them a good showing for Milton Keynes.
>>
>> As ever, it will be held at the Wetherspoons pub, near the railway
>> station (not the one in the snow dome), next door to Chiquitos:
>>
>> http://miltonkeynes.openguides.org/?J.D_Wetherspoon%2C_Central_Milton_Keynes
>>
>> Starting from 8pm, and going on till the last people stumble off home.
>> Feel free to bring your laptop/Linux device along if you want a hand/to
>> show off.
>>   
>>     
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