From oleber at gmail.com Mon Jan 5 05:14:46 2009 From: oleber at gmail.com (marcos rebelo) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 14:14:46 +0100 Subject: [Milan-pm] First Milan PM Monthly Meeting In-Reply-To: <319d96980812310446x32d85398o55c4da2dc21d9715@mail.gmail.com> References: <319d96980812310446x32d85398o55c4da2dc21d9715@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <319d96980901050514i63c6b19fo79f862f6114f63c@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, Until now there is no presence confirmation, so there is the real risk of having the First Milan PM Monthly Meeting cancelled. Let's hop that the reason of this no presence confirmation is only a real bad date for the even since many persons are in holidays. So if someone is considering to be present, please confirm the presence in useful time. Best Regards Marcos Rebelo On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 1:46 PM, marcos rebelo wrote: > Hi all > > On the 7 of January we should have the first Milan PM Monthly Meeting, > in a ease restaurant. > > So lets see 2 questions: > Who is comming? > Where can we do this dinner? If there is no suggestion, I will choose > a Mac Donalds. > > Important points to speak: > - Who will be the leader? (I'm a candidate) > - What do we want for this Group? > - Mourinho work in Inter. > > Best Regards > Marcos Rebelo > > -- > Marcos Rebelo > http://oleber.freehostia.com > Milan Perl Mongers leader http://milan.pm.org > -- Marcos Rebelo http://oleber.freehostia.com Milan Perl Mongers leader http://milan.pm.org From ema.zep at libero.it Mon Jan 5 06:54:57 2009 From: ema.zep at libero.it (Emanuele Zeppieri) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 15:54:57 +0100 Subject: [Milan-pm] [mongers-it] Re: First Milan PM Monthly Meeting In-Reply-To: <319d96980901050514i63c6b19fo79f862f6114f63c@mail.gmail.com> References: <319d96980812310446x32d85398o55c4da2dc21d9715@mail.gmail.com> <319d96980901050514i63c6b19fo79f862f6114f63c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49621F41.508@libero.it> marcos rebelo wrote: > Hi all, > > Until now there is no presence confirmation, so there is the real risk > of having the First Milan PM Monthly Meeting cancelled. Let's hop that > the reason of this no presence confirmation is only a real bad date > for the even since many persons are in holidays. Marcos, please consider also to post a message to: nntp:it.comp.lamg.perl I know at least one (fluent) /perlista/ from Milan who lurks there but is not subscribed to mongers-it. Also, having a meeting every month seems a little too ambitious plan to me, as here in Rome, where we have a quite lively mongers group, we can hardly have two or three meetings in a year (with the exception of the very special events such as a dree visit or the dada farewell and return). I mean, such a strict schedule could scare someone (not to mention the Mac Donalds prospect ;-) Other than that, it's a wonderful project: thank you and I wish you the very best of luck! -Emanuele From ema.zep at libero.it Mon Jan 5 06:57:39 2009 From: ema.zep at libero.it (Emanuele Zeppieri) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 15:57:39 +0100 Subject: [Milan-pm] [mongers-it] Re: First Milan PM Monthly Meeting In-Reply-To: <49621F41.508@libero.it> References: <319d96980812310446x32d85398o55c4da2dc21d9715@mail.gmail.com> <319d96980901050514i63c6b19fo79f862f6114f63c@mail.gmail.com> <49621F41.508@libero.it> Message-ID: <49621FE3.9010701@libero.it> Emanuele Zeppieri wrote: > nntp:it.comp.lamg.perl Sorry: nntp:it.comp.lang.perl http://groups.google.it/group/it.comp.lang.perl From oleber at gmail.com Mon Jan 5 11:25:56 2009 From: oleber at gmail.com (marcos rebelo) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:25:56 +0100 Subject: [Milan-pm] [mongers-it] Re: First Milan PM Monthly Meeting In-Reply-To: <699026fb0901050708y39bf273et55ae9a5a38a2954a@mail.gmail.com> References: <319d96980812310446x32d85398o55c4da2dc21d9715@mail.gmail.com> <319d96980901050514i63c6b19fo79f862f6114f63c@mail.gmail.com> <49621F41.508@libero.it> <699026fb0901050708y39bf273et55ae9a5a38a2954a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <319d96980901051125v5f9439b7ld2a97a8ca5bd7d6f@mail.gmail.com> Post done to it.comp.lang.perl The monthly meeting isn't only about Perl. The idea is more to speak about all kind of subjects, like: Next group activities Perl, new packages, experiences, work positions Football, F1, Chess, Magic Travelling, Cinema, Theater The 4 times a year Teck-Meetings shall really be about technology. I would like to have 2 to 3 presentations about Perl and, if possible, one about some other technology. For example, I'm considering to ask a space in a University, and ask them to do a small presentation of one of there research projects. By the way, someone as contacts inside an Universaty of Milan? Best Regards MArcos Rebelo On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Stefano Rodighiero wrote: > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Emanuele Zeppieri wrote: > >> Also, having a meeting every month seems a little too ambitious plan to me, >> as here in Rome, where we have a quite lively mongers group, we can hardly >> have two or three meetings in a year (with the exception of the very special >> events such as a dree visit or the dada farewell and return). > > I beg to differ. I think a regular monthly meeting is better: people know > in advance when and where they can find other mongers, and they can > do their plans accordingly. And if they can't attend, instead of waiting > for another unpredictable dinner/whatever, they can just appoint for > next month. > > Having 0 replies at first round is normal, and I'd recommend to keep > on this way for the future. > > S. > > -- > www.stefanorodighiero.net > _________________________________________________________________ > mongers at lists.perl.it - La mailing list dei Perl Mongers italiani > Home page: http://lists.perl.it/sympa/info/mongers > Archivio web: http://lists.perl.it/sympa/arc/mongers > -- Marcos Rebelo http://oleber.freehostia.com Milan Perl Mongers leader http://milan.pm.org From oleber at gmail.com Tue Jan 6 06:00:51 2009 From: oleber at gmail.com (marcos rebelo) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:00:51 +0100 Subject: [Milan-pm] [mongers-it] Re: First Milan PM Monthly Meeting In-Reply-To: <49634F8D.2010407@libero.it> References: <319d96980812310446x32d85398o55c4da2dc21d9715@mail.gmail.com> <319d96980901050514i63c6b19fo79f862f6114f63c@mail.gmail.com> <49621F41.508@libero.it> <699026fb0901050708y39bf273et55ae9a5a38a2954a@mail.gmail.com> <319d96980901051125v5f9439b7ld2a97a8ca5bd7d6f@mail.gmail.com> <49634F8D.2010407@libero.it> Message-ID: <319d96980901060600s5ef9cb67s2e38242f3b2121c6@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Emanuele Zeppieri wrote: > marcos rebelo wrote: > >> Post done to it.comp.lang.perl > > Well done, thanks! > > Really, the reason why I suggested you advertise the meeting also on iclp, > was that I (erroneously) thought the group was short on people, while I see > from the milan.pm web page, if I understand correctly, that it already > counts 10 members (that's great!) We have 13 email at the moment- The problem is that I don't know who is really from Milan. We have 2 adresses that are mine and one is my wife, to this numbers you have to add the other PM group leaders. How many are from Milan? I really have no idea. For this reason I tried to create a group in LinkedIn, until now I'm the only member. http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=1633477 > > So the the 0 replies could simply be normal, as suggested by Stefano (or > could depend on Mac Donalds ;-) I PROMISE that I will never chose McDonalds for a Monthly Meeting. In reality I was willing to get a ease Pizza place more or less in the meaddle of Milan, other wise I will chose the one in the Piaza Ovidio in the est part of the town, where I leave. > > By the way, if you want to increase the membership even more, consider > posting a message also to some other newsgroups, such as it.comp.lang or > it.lavoro.informatica (just read the group manifesto/faq first, to see if > such a message would be appropriate there and/or if any special notice is > required, such as an "[OT] " prefix in the subject). I don't use newsgroups, so can someone give me a list of the ones that can be usefull? > > One note thought: the message should really be in Italian as well as in > English (and the same applies for the milan.pm web page). Notice that I'm not Italian (this is why I shall be elected and not be self proclaimed leader). I'm able of speak and understand most of the things in Italian but I'm Portuguese. Since I Portuguese and I have some international experience, I really believe that the web site shall be done in English. Most of the software developers shall or at least should know this language. The membership to the group doesn't exclude foragers. > > As for the meetings schedule, though I still prefer the /casual/ approach > (let's meet when we can and/or when someone has something to say), Stefano > certainly has a greater experience than me. This meeting shall not be about Perl, maybe the first ones yes, but the remaining not. It would be nice to have a group that can speak about other stuff, just Perl is boring. > > Ciao! > _________________________________________________________________ > mongers at lists.perl.it - La mailing list dei Perl Mongers italiani > Home page: http://lists.perl.it/sympa/info/mongers > Archivio web: http://lists.perl.it/sympa/arc/mongers > -- Marcos Rebelo http://oleber.freehostia.com Milan Perl Mongers leader http://milan.pm.org From ema.zep at libero.it Tue Jan 6 04:33:17 2009 From: ema.zep at libero.it (Emanuele Zeppieri) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 13:33:17 +0100 Subject: [Milan-pm] [mongers-it] Re: First Milan PM Monthly Meeting In-Reply-To: <319d96980901051125v5f9439b7ld2a97a8ca5bd7d6f@mail.gmail.com> References: <319d96980812310446x32d85398o55c4da2dc21d9715@mail.gmail.com> <319d96980901050514i63c6b19fo79f862f6114f63c@mail.gmail.com> <49621F41.508@libero.it> <699026fb0901050708y39bf273et55ae9a5a38a2954a@mail.gmail.com> <319d96980901051125v5f9439b7ld2a97a8ca5bd7d6f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49634F8D.2010407@libero.it> marcos rebelo wrote: > Post done to it.comp.lang.perl Well done, thanks! Really, the reason why I suggested you advertise the meeting also on iclp, was that I (erroneously) thought the group was short on people, while I see from the milan.pm web page, if I understand correctly, that it already counts 10 members (that's great!) So the the 0 replies could simply be normal, as suggested by Stefano (or could depend on Mac Donalds ;-) By the way, if you want to increase the membership even more, consider posting a message also to some other newsgroups, such as it.comp.lang or it.lavoro.informatica (just read the group manifesto/faq first, to see if such a message would be appropriate there and/or if any special notice is required, such as an "[OT] " prefix in the subject). One note thought: the message should really be in Italian as well as in English (and the same applies for the milan.pm web page). As for the meetings schedule, though I still prefer the /casual/ approach (let's meet when we can and/or when someone has something to say), Stefano certainly has a greater experience than me. Ciao! From gbjgiulio at gmail.com Tue Jan 6 10:04:36 2009 From: gbjgiulio at gmail.com (Giulio Bertani) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:04:36 +0100 Subject: [Milan-pm] [mongers-it] First Milan PM Monthly Meeting In-Reply-To: <319d96980812310446x32d85398o55c4da2dc21d9715@mail.gmail.com> References: <319d96980812310446x32d85398o55c4da2dc21d9715@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c4b91ff0901061004l38e2dcb5s3c0f3dcb42d981e1@mail.gmail.com> Hello to All, I propose : http://maps.google.it/maps?f=q&hl=it&geocode=&q=Via+C.+Ravizza,+4+-+Milano&sll=45.46756,9.152401&sspn=0.006531,0.013003&g=Via+C.+Ravizza,+4+-+Milano&ie=UTF8&ll=45.468513,9.150667&spn=0.006531,0.013003&z=16&iwloc=r3 the pizzeria named "happyness". Metro M1 "DeAngeli" http://www.inmilano.it/happiness/ At 21.00 ? Bye Giulio 2008/12/31 marcos rebelo : > Hi all > > On the 7 of January we should have the first Milan PM Monthly Meeting, > in a ease restaurant. > > So lets see 2 questions: > Who is comming? > Where can we do this dinner? If there is no suggestion, I will choose > a Mac Donalds. > > Important points to speak: > - Who will be the leader? (I'm a candidate) > - What do we want for this Group? > - Mourinho work in Inter. > > Best Regards > Marcos Rebelo > > -- > Marcos Rebelo > http://oleber.freehostia.com > Milan Perl Mongers leader http://milan.pm.org > _________________________________________________________________ > mongers at lists.perl.it - La mailing list dei Perl Mongers italiani > Home page: http://lists.perl.it/sympa/info/mongers > Archivio web: http://lists.perl.it/sympa/arc/mongers > -- Giulio Bertani www.perquelliche.it (In definizione ...) From oleber at gmail.com Tue Jan 6 10:20:00 2009 From: oleber at gmail.com (marcos rebelo) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:20:00 +0100 Subject: [Milan-pm] [mongers-it] First Milan PM Monthly Meeting In-Reply-To: <4c4b91ff0901061004l38e2dcb5s3c0f3dcb42d981e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <319d96980812310446x32d85398o55c4da2dc21d9715@mail.gmail.com> <4c4b91ff0901061004l38e2dcb5s3c0f3dcb42d981e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <319d96980901061020u31465214n2c5e995955c2f668@mail.gmail.com> The place seems to be ok, but the is to late since the persons needs to work in the next day I will be there at 20h, later ones risk to have a cold pizza, but we will be there. Best Regards Marcos Rebelo On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Giulio Bertani wrote: > Hello to All, > I propose : > http://maps.google.it/maps?f=q&hl=it&geocode=&q=Via+C.+Ravizza,+4+-+Milano&sll=45.46756,9.152401&sspn=0.006531,0.013003&g=Via+C.+Ravizza,+4+-+Milano&ie=UTF8&ll=45.468513,9.150667&spn=0.006531,0.013003&z=16&iwloc=r3 > > the pizzeria named "happyness". > Metro M1 "DeAngeli" > http://www.inmilano.it/happiness/ > > At 21.00 ? > > Bye > Giulio > > 2008/12/31 marcos rebelo : >> Hi all >> >> On the 7 of January we should have the first Milan PM Monthly Meeting, >> in a ease restaurant. >> >> So lets see 2 questions: >> Who is comming? >> Where can we do this dinner? If there is no suggestion, I will choose >> a Mac Donalds. >> >> Important points to speak: >> - Who will be the leader? (I'm a candidate) >> - What do we want for this Group? >> - Mourinho work in Inter. >> >> Best Regards >> Marcos Rebelo >> >> -- >> Marcos Rebelo >> http://oleber.freehostia.com >> Milan Perl Mongers leader http://milan.pm.org >> _________________________________________________________________ >> mongers at lists.perl.it - La mailing list dei Perl Mongers italiani >> Home page: http://lists.perl.it/sympa/info/mongers >> Archivio web: http://lists.perl.it/sympa/arc/mongers >> > > > > -- > Giulio Bertani > www.perquelliche.it (In definizione ...) > _______________________________________________ > Milan-pm mailing list > Milan-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/milan-pm > -- Marcos Rebelo http://oleber.freehostia.com Milan Perl Mongers leader http://milan.pm.org From oleber at gmail.com Wed Jan 7 03:48:16 2009 From: oleber at gmail.com (marcos rebelo) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 12:48:16 +0100 Subject: [Milan-pm] Cancel Monthly Meeting of the MilanPM Message-ID: <319d96980901070348v7eb278f7ucac91ad2c91e33ad@mail.gmail.com> Hi all Since the weather is like it is today, it is better to cancel the Monthly Meeting due to today. I hop to find you all in 2009-Feb-04 at the Pizzeria Happyness. Best Regards Marcos Rebelo -- Marcos Rebelo http://oleber.freehostia.com Milan Perl Mongers leader http://milan.pm.org From oleber at gmail.com Sat Jan 10 01:32:00 2009 From: oleber at gmail.com (marcos rebelo) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 10:32:00 +0100 Subject: [Milan-pm] Milan PM February 2009 Monthly Meeting Message-ID: <319d96980901100132v21d94d76ha8ff4588a4bd7487@mail.gmail.com> We have an event of the group. Lets see if the snow isn't going to appear again. http://events.linkedin.com/pub/28159 -- Marcos Rebelo http://oleber.freehostia.com Milan Perl Mongers leader http://milan.pm.org From minimal.oasis+milan-pm at gmail.com Sun Jan 11 07:47:03 2009 From: minimal.oasis+milan-pm at gmail.com (Max M) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:47:03 +0100 Subject: [Milan-pm] Milan PM February 2009 Monthly Meeting In-Reply-To: <319d96980901100132v21d94d76ha8ff4588a4bd7487@mail.gmail.com> References: <319d96980901100132v21d94d76ha8ff4588a4bd7487@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3f9c3baf0901110747s238e66eoc27cf01ca7f10609@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 10:32, marcos rebelo wrote: > We have an event of the group. Lets see if the snow isn't going to appear again. Marcos, although I'm willing to take part in the meetings, rarely am I free on wednesdays. May I suggest taking a different approach? Instead of fixing a date and hoping people can arrange their engagements accordingly, we could use Doodle (http://www.doodle.com) or a similar service (there are a few), which allows you to define a set of candidate dates/times and let people state their availability. Max From oleber at gmail.com Sun Jan 11 09:31:25 2009 From: oleber at gmail.com (marcos rebelo) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 18:31:25 +0100 Subject: [Milan-pm] Milan PM February 2009 Monthly Meeting In-Reply-To: <3f9c3baf0901110747s238e66eoc27cf01ca7f10609@mail.gmail.com> References: <319d96980901100132v21d94d76ha8ff4588a4bd7487@mail.gmail.com> <3f9c3baf0901110747s238e66eoc27cf01ca7f10609@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <319d96980901110931v6e8d0685i210c1fb5cc427dae@mail.gmail.com> Hi all We don't need to have a website, for this we can use the mailing list. Everyone having one opinion about the bad days for the meeting in the first or last week of the month, please post them in here. It is important to check if we are using the some dates of other User Groups like Linux, Python, PHP, C/C++, Java, ... For now I don't have any problem of dates since I'm steal looking for a job, after that I may have some problems. Lets try to avoid the Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays. I will try to collect the info of all the members posting in here and on the 19 of January we publish the date of the meeting. Note: it's important to find a simple rule, so I need opinions. Best Regards Marcos Rebelo On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Max M wrote: > On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 10:32, marcos rebelo wrote: >> We have an event of the group. Lets see if the snow isn't going to appear again. > > Marcos, although I'm willing to take part in the meetings, rarely am I > free on wednesdays. > > May I suggest taking a different approach? Instead of fixing a date > and hoping people can arrange their engagements accordingly, we could > use Doodle (http://www.doodle.com) or a similar service (there are a > few), which allows you to define a set of candidate dates/times and > let people state their availability. > > Max > _______________________________________________ > Milan-pm mailing list > Milan-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/milan-pm > -- Marcos Rebelo http://oleber.freehostia.com Milan Perl Mongers leader http://milan.pm.org From max.flebus at it.easynet.net Mon Jan 12 04:07:48 2009 From: max.flebus at it.easynet.net (MaX Flebus) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:07:48 +0100 Subject: [Milan-pm] Milan PM February 2009 Monthly Meeting In-Reply-To: <319d96980901110931v6e8d0685i210c1fb5cc427dae@mail.gmail.com> References: <319d96980901100132v21d94d76ha8ff4588a4bd7487@mail.gmail.com><3f9c3baf0901110747s238e66eoc27cf01ca7f10609@mail.gmail.com> <319d96980901110931v6e8d0685i210c1fb5cc427dae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I suggest switching to Italian for semplicity and in order to permit non english speaking pm to join the group. After all it's Milan-pm! Milanese is a bit to hard for me ;) Ciao MaX From oleber at gmail.com Mon Jan 12 04:57:02 2009 From: oleber at gmail.com (marcos rebelo) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:57:02 +0100 Subject: [Milan-pm] Milan PM February 2009 Monthly Meeting In-Reply-To: References: <319d96980901100132v21d94d76ha8ff4588a4bd7487@mail.gmail.com> <3f9c3baf0901110747s238e66eoc27cf01ca7f10609@mail.gmail.com> <319d96980901110931v6e8d0685i210c1fb5cc427dae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <319d96980901120457g55d9a5bubb1044d4a2843a3e@mail.gmail.com> For now I'm the Leader of the group, but I'm not Italian. I can speak and read a little bit of Italian but I don't write in Italian at the moment. I promise that after getting a job, I will attend to Italian classes in such a way that I will be able to write Italian before my 1 year old child. For now I'm just able of this. Note: I will not have any problem if the answers are coming in Italian. For me this mailing List have 2 languages, Italian since we are in here and English since is the actual Lingua Franca in the World. Best Regards Marcos Rebelo On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 1:07 PM, MaX Flebus wrote: > I suggest switching to Italian for semplicity and in order to permit non > english speaking pm to join the group. > After all it's Milan-pm! Milanese is a bit to hard for me ;) > > Ciao > MaX > > _______________________________________________ > Milan-pm mailing list > Milan-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/milan-pm > -- Marcos Rebelo http://oleber.freehostia.com Milan Perl Mongers leader http://milan.pm.org From Barbara.Ferrua at siemens.com Tue Jan 13 04:49:06 2009 From: Barbara.Ferrua at siemens.com (Ferrua, Barbara) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:49:06 +0100 Subject: [Milan-pm] R: Milan PM February 2009 Monthly Meeting In-Reply-To: <319d96980901120457g55d9a5bubb1044d4a2843a3e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, I agree with Marcos' suggestion to use english just because we may increase the opportunities to get in contact with other groups. The english language is facilitating the networking and allow us to know a little more of the world out of there and how knows ... you could even get the chance to get a job somewhere else (of course if you are interested). Believe me nobody cares if you make mistakes and by the way, if for explaining complex idea you use italian it is not such a big problem. Just a question : I thought that english was the language among software developers and pm? Is it not the case in Italy? Barbara -----Messaggio originale----- Da: milan-pm-bounces+barbara.ferrua=siemens.com at pm.org [mailto:milan-pm-bounces+barbara.ferrua=siemens.com at pm.org] Per conto di marcos rebelo Inviato: luned? 12 gennaio 2009 13.57 A: milan-pm at pm.org Oggetto: Re: [Milan-pm] Milan PM February 2009 Monthly Meeting For now I'm the Leader of the group, but I'm not Italian. I can speak and read a little bit of Italian but I don't write in Italian at the moment. I promise that after getting a job, I will attend to Italian classes in such a way that I will be able to write Italian before my 1 year old child. For now I'm just able of this. Note: I will not have any problem if the answers are coming in Italian. For me this mailing List have 2 languages, Italian since we are in here and English since is the actual Lingua Franca in the World. Best Regards Marcos Rebelo On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 1:07 PM, MaX Flebus wrote: > I suggest switching to Italian for semplicity and in order to permit non > english speaking pm to join the group. > After all it's Milan-pm! Milanese is a bit to hard for me ;) > > Ciao > MaX > > _______________________________________________ > Milan-pm mailing list > Milan-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/milan-pm > -- Marcos Rebelo http://oleber.freehostia.com Milan Perl Mongers leader http://milan.pm.org _______________________________________________ Milan-pm mailing list Milan-pm at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/milan-pm From mb at cattlegrid.info Tue Jan 13 05:54:47 2009 From: mb at cattlegrid.info (Michele Beltrame) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:54:47 +0100 Subject: [Milan-pm] R: Milan PM February 2009 Monthly Meeting In-Reply-To: References: <319d96980901120457g55d9a5bubb1044d4a2843a3e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090113135445.GA12102@nowhere.ebau.it> Hi Barbara! > Just a question : I thought that english was the language > among software developers and pm? Is it not the case in Italy? Well, it is to some extent. However, PM groups use local languages when meeting locally, and I easily see the point of this. Also regional workshops (Italy, France, Germany, ...) are mainly held in the country's language except for talks held by foreign speakers. I, too, tend to use Italian when writing in Italian mailing lists, unless there's a specific reason to use English. In this case, the specific reason is Marcos, who is putting a lot of effort to build a community in Milan, so English is very welcome in this case. I would, however, definitely consider translating the web site: http://milan.pm.org/ in Italian as well. Talk to you soon, Michele. -- Michele Beltrame http://www.cattlegrid.info/ ICQ 76660101 - MSN mb at italpro.net From max.flebus at it.easynet.net Tue Jan 13 06:02:40 2009 From: max.flebus at it.easynet.net (MaX Flebus) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:02:40 +0100 Subject: [Milan-pm] R: Milan PM February 2009 Monthly Meeting In-Reply-To: References: <319d96980901120457g55d9a5bubb1044d4a2843a3e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <628CD0320C564FEABAFD8A2DA1BAE996@office.easynet.it> Dear Barbara and Marcos, apart from the question "Is it not the case in Italy ?" which is just for polemic sake, all your arguments seem perfectly reasonable to me. The question is, do we want this to be an elitist group or do we want to reach every possible user to propagate the perl verb? I prefer the latter, given the fact that this is the MILAN group, also if I do understand that having the group coordinator not speaking italian fluently could be a problem ;) Besides I see that Paris PM (http://paris.pm.org/), Berlin, Italy (!), all use local languages, Milan should be the exception? Ciao MaX > -----Original Message----- > From: milan-pm-bounces+max.flebus=it.easynet.net at pm.org > [mailto:milan-pm-bounces+max.flebus=it.easynet.net at pm.org] On > Behalf Of Ferrua, Barbara > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:49 PM > To: milan-pm at pm.org > Subject: [Milan-pm] R: Milan PM February 2009 Monthly Meeting > > Hi, > I agree with Marcos' suggestion to use english just because > we may increase the opportunities to get in contact with > other groups. The english language is facilitating the > networking and allow us to know a little more of the world > out of there and how knows ... you could even get the chance > to get a job somewhere else (of course if you are interested). > Believe me nobody cares if you make mistakes and by the way, > if for explaining complex idea you use italian it is not such > a big problem. > > Just a question : I thought that english was the language > among software developers and pm? Is it not the case in Italy? > > Barbara > > > > > > -----Messaggio originale----- > Da: milan-pm-bounces+barbara.ferrua=siemens.com at pm.org > [mailto:milan-pm-bounces+barbara.ferrua=siemens.com at pm.org] > Per conto di marcos rebelo > Inviato: luned? 12 gennaio 2009 13.57 > A: milan-pm at pm.org > Oggetto: Re: [Milan-pm] Milan PM February 2009 Monthly Meeting > > For now I'm the Leader of the group, but I'm not Italian. > > I can speak and read a little bit of Italian but I don't write in > Italian at the moment. I promise that after getting a job, I will > attend to Italian classes in such a way that I will be able to write > Italian before my 1 year old child. For now I'm just able of this. > > Note: I will not have any problem if the answers are coming in > Italian. For me this mailing List have 2 languages, Italian since we > are in here and English since is the actual Lingua Franca in the > World. > > Best Regards > Marcos Rebelo > > On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 1:07 PM, MaX Flebus > wrote: > > I suggest switching to Italian for semplicity and in order > to permit non > > english speaking pm to join the group. > > After all it's Milan-pm! Milanese is a bit to hard for me ;) > > > > Ciao > > MaX > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Milan-pm mailing list > > Milan-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/milan-pm > > > > > > -- > Marcos Rebelo > http://oleber.freehostia.com > Milan Perl Mongers leader http://milan.pm.org > _______________________________________________ > Milan-pm mailing list > Milan-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/milan-pm > _______________________________________________ > Milan-pm mailing list > Milan-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/milan-pm > From oleber at gmail.com Tue Jan 13 11:20:32 2009 From: oleber at gmail.com (marcos rebelo) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:20:32 +0100 Subject: [Milan-pm] R: Milan PM February 2009 Monthly Meeting In-Reply-To: <628CD0320C564FEABAFD8A2DA1BAE996@office.easynet.it> References: <319d96980901120457g55d9a5bubb1044d4a2843a3e@mail.gmail.com> <628CD0320C564FEABAFD8A2DA1BAE996@office.easynet.it> Message-ID: <319d96980901131120i4990ea63v8ddc485d8385e38e@mail.gmail.com> As long as I'm doing this work, I'm going to do it in English. This shall be a point to be discused in the Monthly Meeting as well as the election of the leader. Best Regards Marcos Rebelo On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 3:02 PM, MaX Flebus wrote: > Dear Barbara and Marcos, > apart from the question "Is it not the case in Italy ?" which is just for > polemic sake, all your arguments seem perfectly reasonable to me. > > The question is, do we want this to be an elitist group or do we want to > reach every possible user to propagate the perl verb? I prefer the latter, > given the fact that this is the MILAN group, also if I do understand that > having the group coordinator not speaking italian fluently could be a > problem ;) > Besides I see that Paris PM (http://paris.pm.org/), Berlin, Italy (!), all > use local languages, Milan should be the exception? > > Ciao > MaX > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: milan-pm-bounces+max.flebus=it.easynet.net at pm.org >> [mailto:milan-pm-bounces+max.flebus=it.easynet.net at pm.org] On >> Behalf Of Ferrua, Barbara >> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:49 PM >> To: milan-pm at pm.org >> Subject: [Milan-pm] R: Milan PM February 2009 Monthly Meeting >> >> Hi, >> I agree with Marcos' suggestion to use english just because >> we may increase the opportunities to get in contact with >> other groups. The english language is facilitating the >> networking and allow us to know a little more of the world >> out of there and how knows ... you could even get the chance >> to get a job somewhere else (of course if you are interested). >> Believe me nobody cares if you make mistakes and by the way, >> if for explaining complex idea you use italian it is not such >> a big problem. >> >> Just a question : I thought that english was the language >> among software developers and pm? Is it not the case in Italy? >> >> Barbara >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Messaggio originale----- >> Da: milan-pm-bounces+barbara.ferrua=siemens.com at pm.org >> [mailto:milan-pm-bounces+barbara.ferrua=siemens.com at pm.org] >> Per conto di marcos rebelo >> Inviato: luned? 12 gennaio 2009 13.57 >> A: milan-pm at pm.org >> Oggetto: Re: [Milan-pm] Milan PM February 2009 Monthly Meeting >> >> For now I'm the Leader of the group, but I'm not Italian. >> >> I can speak and read a little bit of Italian but I don't write in >> Italian at the moment. I promise that after getting a job, I will >> attend to Italian classes in such a way that I will be able to write >> Italian before my 1 year old child. For now I'm just able of this. >> >> Note: I will not have any problem if the answers are coming in >> Italian. For me this mailing List have 2 languages, Italian since we >> are in here and English since is the actual Lingua Franca in the >> World. >> >> Best Regards >> Marcos Rebelo >> >> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 1:07 PM, MaX Flebus >> wrote: >> > I suggest switching to Italian for semplicity and in order >> to permit non >> > english speaking pm to join the group. >> > After all it's Milan-pm! Milanese is a bit to hard for me ;) >> > >> > Ciao >> > MaX >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Milan-pm mailing list >> > Milan-pm at pm.org >> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/milan-pm >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Marcos Rebelo >> http://oleber.freehostia.com >> Milan Perl Mongers leader http://milan.pm.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Milan-pm mailing list >> Milan-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/milan-pm >> _______________________________________________ >> Milan-pm mailing list >> Milan-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/milan-pm >> > > _______________________________________________ > Milan-pm mailing list > Milan-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/milan-pm > -- Marcos Rebelo http://oleber.freehostia.com Milan Perl Mongers leader http://milan.pm.org From oleber at gmail.com Thu Jan 15 06:05:17 2009 From: oleber at gmail.com (marcos rebelo) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:05:17 +0100 Subject: [Milan-pm] Perl Test Message-ID: <319d96980901150605q4bc7037chad8e6aa60e189dd7@mail.gmail.com> Some time ago I was demanded to do a simple test to check the quality of the Perl Developers candidates into a Company and I did this one (without javascript): http://milan.pm.org/perl_test.html You can try it for fun and set the results in here. Best regards Marcos Rebelo -- Marcos Rebelo http://oleber.freehostia.com Milan Perl Mongers leader http://milan.pm.org From oha at oha.it Thu Jan 15 08:48:23 2009 From: oha at oha.it (Oha) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:48:23 +0100 Subject: [Milan-pm] Perl Test Message-ID: <200901151648.n0FGmNn8030274@vivaldi21.register.it> >----- Original Message ----- >From: oleber at gmail.com >To: milan-pm at pm.org >Data: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:05:17 +0100 >Subject: [Milan-pm] Perl Test >Some time ago I was demanded to do a simple test to check the quality >of the Perl Developers candidates into a Company and I did this one >(without javascript): > >http://milan.pm.org/perl_test.html > >You can try it for fun and set the results in here. > >Best regards >Marcos Rebelo > >-- >Marcos Rebelo >http://oleber.freehostia.com >Milan Perl Mongers leader http://milan.pm.org >_______________________________________________ >Milan-pm mailing list >Milan-pm at pm.org >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/milan-pm > > From oha at oha.it Thu Jan 15 08:48:42 2009 From: oha at oha.it (Oha) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:48:42 +0100 Subject: [Milan-pm] Perl Test Message-ID: <200901151648.n0FGmgeP028329@vivaldi28.register.it> >http://milan.pm.org/perl_test.html doh, 67%! From stefano.rodighiero at gmail.com Thu Jan 15 09:01:04 2009 From: stefano.rodighiero at gmail.com (Stefano Rodighiero) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:01:04 +0100 Subject: [Milan-pm] Perl Test In-Reply-To: <200901151648.n0FGmgeP028329@vivaldi28.register.it> References: <200901151648.n0FGmgeP028329@vivaldi28.register.it> Message-ID: <699026fb0901150901h6b74a86ds588bd270af92339b@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Oha wrote: > doh, 67%! 89% ! (but I have my doubts on this kind of tests during interviews) S. -- www.stefanorodighiero.net From oleber at gmail.com Thu Jan 15 10:43:14 2009 From: oleber at gmail.com (marcos rebelo) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:43:14 +0100 Subject: [Milan-pm] Perl Test In-Reply-To: <699026fb0901150901h6b74a86ds588bd270af92339b@mail.gmail.com> References: <200901151648.n0FGmgeP028329@vivaldi28.register.it> <699026fb0901150901h6b74a86ds588bd270af92339b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <319d96980901151043j385ad55ald5ae7e917a76626f@mail.gmail.com> This test was just doing a filtering. The person was requested to give a 1 to 5 evaluation of her knowledge in diverse areas, in the case of having a 4 or 5 in Perl, he was doing a test similar to this one. Less the 50% was setting the person out of the process, between 50% and 75% was having a fast interview with a expert in the area, more then 75% was passing directly to the final interview. The last interview was having 5 persons doing questions in diverse areas, all this was being done in 3 to 4 hours. Some normal question where: Describe one of the algorithms: Quick Sort Merge Sort Bucket sort When shall we use Bubble Sort? (my preferred question) How to count the repeated lines in a file? ... It was the most difficult interview that I had until today, but at the end we where having 100 developers of the best in Portugal. Best Regards Marcos Rebelo On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Stefano Rodighiero wrote: > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Oha wrote: > >> doh, 67%! > > 89% ! > > (but I have my doubts on this kind of tests during interviews) > > S. > > -- > www.stefanorodighiero.net > _______________________________________________ > Milan-pm mailing list > Milan-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/milan-pm > -- Marcos Rebelo http://oleber.freehostia.com Milan Perl Mongers leader http://milan.pm.org From oha at oha.it Thu Jan 15 14:50:37 2009 From: oha at oha.it (Oha) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 23:50:37 +0100 Subject: [Milan-pm] Perl Test Message-ID: <200901152250.n0FMobKZ009062@vivaldi37.register.it> >It was the most difficult interview that I had until today, but at the >end we where having 100 developers of the best in Portugal. Sometime i think that interviews are more theory based then pragmatic. I could be considered old, but i still think developing is something to be mastered by experience on the field, not studied. I admit, anyway, that i've learned how to code by practice: i never studied and -- probably -- this is why i'm so nervous about it. (why are we speaking english in an italian ml?) From oleber at gmail.com Thu Jan 15 22:20:20 2009 From: oleber at gmail.com (marcos rebelo) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 07:20:20 +0100 Subject: [Milan-pm] Perl Test In-Reply-To: <200901152250.n0FMobKZ009062@vivaldi37.register.it> References: <200901152250.n0FMobKZ009062@vivaldi37.register.it> Message-ID: <319d96980901152220u40d0c156lfb1988fc9f0ec9b2@mail.gmail.com> In the mailing list we have 2 possible languages Italian and English (Lingua Franca) since it's also possible for not Italian to be member. For example, the Creator/Leader of the group is coming from the old Lusitania, he is able of speaking and reading Italian, but it is steel learning how to write. He is using the free time that he as until find a job to create the group. Best Regards Marcos Rebelo On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 11:50 PM, Oha wrote: >>It was the most difficult interview that I had until today, but at the >>end we where having 100 developers of the best in Portugal. > > Sometime i think that interviews are more theory based then pragmatic. I could be considered old, but i still think developing is something to be mastered by experience on the field, not studied. > I admit, anyway, that i've learned how to code by practice: i never studied and -- probably -- this is why i'm so nervous about it. > > (why are we speaking english in an italian ml?) > > _______________________________________________ > Milan-pm mailing list > Milan-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/milan-pm > -- Marcos Rebelo http://oleber.freehostia.com Milan Perl Mongers leader http://milan.pm.org From oleber at gmail.com Thu Jan 15 23:02:06 2009 From: oleber at gmail.com (marcos rebelo) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 08:02:06 +0100 Subject: [Milan-pm] Help request to find a job Message-ID: <319d96980901152302u5e2c2f86s140925199459feeb@mail.gmail.com> I'm looking for Perl jobs (Perl or C++ or Java), in Monster I just finding this position and I have to say that doesn't seems serious since they are posting it every day for the last month at least. http://offerte-lavoro.monster.it/getjob.aspx?JobID=73323339&JobTitle=[MI]+Progettisti+Software+Perl&q=Perl&rad_units=km&zip=20138&rad=100&vw=b&utf8=%C9%98&pg=1&re=12&sort=dt&AVSDM=2009-01-14+00%3a58%3a00&seq=3&fseo=1&isjs=1&re=1000 Someone can point me to places where to find a job? For now I'm just using Monster and InfoJobs. Thanks for any help Marcos Rebelo -- Marcos Rebelo http://oleber.freehostia.com Milan Perl Mongers leader http://milan.pm.org From gbjgiulio at gmail.com Fri Jan 16 00:47:27 2009 From: gbjgiulio at gmail.com (Giulio Bertani) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 09:47:27 +0100 Subject: [Milan-pm] Milan-pm Digest, Vol 2, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4c4b91ff0901160047y3c0217c3m34ee41d67e3646f4@mail.gmail.com> Hello To All, Fun test , I think Could be an argument to month meeting answering about the "wrong" answers. Good job ! And Good Fun ! I won't say my score because this isn't an exam or a test but only a fun !!! Bye Giulio 2009/1/15 : > Send Milan-pm mailing list submissions to > milan-pm at pm.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/milan-pm > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > milan-pm-request at pm.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > milan-pm-owner at pm.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Milan-pm digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Perl Test (marcos rebelo) > 2. Re: Perl Test (Oha) > 3. Re: Perl Test (Oha) > 4. Re: Perl Test (Stefano Rodighiero) > 5. Re: Perl Test (marcos rebelo) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:05:17 +0100 > From: marcos rebelo > Subject: [Milan-pm] Perl Test > To: milan-pm at pm.org > Message-ID: > <319d96980901150605q4bc7037chad8e6aa60e189dd7 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Some time ago I was demanded to do a simple test to check the quality > of the Perl Developers candidates into a Company and I did this one > (without javascript): > > http://milan.pm.org/perl_test.html > > You can try it for fun and set the results in here. > > Best regards > Marcos Rebelo > > -- > Marcos Rebelo > http://oleber.freehostia.com > Milan Perl Mongers leader http://milan.pm.org > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:48:23 +0100 > From: "Oha" > Subject: Re: [Milan-pm] Perl Test > To: oleber at gmail.com, milan-pm at pm.org > Message-ID: <200901151648.n0FGmNn8030274 at vivaldi21.register.it> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: oleber at gmail.com >>To: milan-pm at pm.org >>Data: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:05:17 +0100 >>Subject: [Milan-pm] Perl Test > >>Some time ago I was demanded to do a simple test to check the quality >>of the Perl Developers candidates into a Company and I did this one >>(without javascript): >> >>http://milan.pm.org/perl_test.html >> >>You can try it for fun and set the results in here. >> >>Best regards >>Marcos Rebelo >> >>-- >>Marcos Rebelo >>http://oleber.freehostia.com >>Milan Perl Mongers leader http://milan.pm.org >>_______________________________________________ >>Milan-pm mailing list >>Milan-pm at pm.org >>http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/milan-pm >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:48:42 +0100 > From: "Oha" > Subject: Re: [Milan-pm] Perl Test > To: milan-pm at pm.org > Message-ID: <200901151648.n0FGmgeP028329 at vivaldi28.register.it> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >>http://milan.pm.org/perl_test.html > > doh, 67%! > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:01:04 +0100 > From: Stefano Rodighiero > Subject: Re: [Milan-pm] Perl Test > To: milan-pm at pm.org, Oha > Message-ID: > <699026fb0901150901h6b74a86ds588bd270af92339b at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Oha wrote: > >> doh, 67%! > > 89% ! > > (but I have my doubts on this kind of tests during interviews) > > S. > > -- > www.stefanorodighiero.net > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:43:14 +0100 > From: marcos rebelo > Subject: Re: [Milan-pm] Perl Test > To: milan-pm at pm.org > Message-ID: > <319d96980901151043j385ad55ald5ae7e917a76626f at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > This test was just doing a filtering. > > The person was requested to give a 1 to 5 evaluation of her knowledge > in diverse areas, in the case of having a 4 or 5 in Perl, he was doing > a test similar to this one. Less the 50% was setting the person out of > the process, between 50% and 75% was having a fast interview with a > expert in the area, more then 75% was passing directly to the final > interview. > > The last interview was having 5 persons doing questions in diverse > areas, all this was being done in 3 to 4 hours. > > Some normal question where: > Describe one of the algorithms: > Quick Sort > Merge Sort > Bucket sort > When shall we use Bubble Sort? (my preferred question) > How to count the repeated lines in a file? > ... > > It was the most difficult interview that I had until today, but at the > end we where having 100 developers of the best in Portugal. > > Best Regards > Marcos Rebelo > > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Stefano Rodighiero > wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Oha wrote: >> >>> doh, 67%! >> >> 89% ! >> >> (but I have my doubts on this kind of tests during interviews) >> >> S. >> >> -- >> www.stefanorodighiero.net >> _______________________________________________ >> Milan-pm mailing list >> Milan-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/milan-pm >> > > > > -- > Marcos Rebelo > http://oleber.freehostia.com > Milan Perl Mongers leader http://milan.pm.org > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Milan-pm mailing list > Milan-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/milan-pm > > > End of Milan-pm Digest, Vol 2, Issue 8 > ************************************** > -- Giulio Bertani www.perquelliche.it (In definizione ...) From oleber at gmail.com Fri Jan 16 01:44:46 2009 From: oleber at gmail.com (marcos rebelo) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 10:44:46 +0100 Subject: [Milan-pm] Milan-pm Digest, Vol 2, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: <4c4b91ff0901160047y3c0217c3m34ee41d67e3646f4@mail.gmail.com> References: <4c4b91ff0901160047y3c0217c3m34ee41d67e3646f4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <319d96980901160144j51082c0cs2cbb33f11abb39ac@mail.gmail.com> you can get another question. which is the fasts and the slowest subroutine: sub unique1 { return keys(%{{map {$_=>1} @_}}); } sub unique2 { my %a; @a{@_} = (); return keys(%a); } sub unique3 { my %a; return grep {not($a{$_}++)} @_; } sub unique4 { my %a; $a{$_}++ foreach @_; return keys(%a); } to test: use Benchmark; my @test_array = map {int(100*rand)} (0..100000); timethese(1000, { 'unique1' => sub { unique1 @test_array }, 'unique2' => sub { unique2 @test_array }, 'unique3' => sub { unique3 @test_array }, 'unique4' => sub { unique4 @test_array }, }); The results can surprise. Let's say that until now 5 persons have done the test, more the ones in here. Just one had 100%, the cog. Best Regards Marcos Rebelo On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Giulio Bertani wrote: > Hello To All, > Fun test , I think Could be an argument to month meeting answering > about the "wrong" answers. > Good job ! And Good Fun ! > > I won't say my score because this isn't an exam or a test but only a fun !!! > > Bye > Giulio > > 2009/1/15 : >> Send Milan-pm mailing list submissions to >> milan-pm at pm.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/milan-pm >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> milan-pm-request at pm.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> milan-pm-owner at pm.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Milan-pm digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Perl Test (marcos rebelo) >> 2. Re: Perl Test (Oha) >> 3. Re: Perl Test (Oha) >> 4. Re: Perl Test (Stefano Rodighiero) >> 5. Re: Perl Test (marcos rebelo) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:05:17 +0100 >> From: marcos rebelo >> Subject: [Milan-pm] Perl Test >> To: milan-pm at pm.org >> Message-ID: >> <319d96980901150605q4bc7037chad8e6aa60e189dd7 at mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Some time ago I was demanded to do a simple test to check the quality >> of the Perl Developers candidates into a Company and I did this one >> (without javascript): >> >> http://milan.pm.org/perl_test.html >> >> You can try it for fun and set the results in here. >> >> Best regards >> Marcos Rebelo >> >> -- >> Marcos Rebelo >> http://oleber.freehostia.com >> Milan Perl Mongers leader http://milan.pm.org >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:48:23 +0100 >> From: "Oha" >> Subject: Re: [Milan-pm] Perl Test >> To: oleber at gmail.com, milan-pm at pm.org >> Message-ID: <200901151648.n0FGmNn8030274 at vivaldi21.register.it> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: oleber at gmail.com >>>To: milan-pm at pm.org >>>Data: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:05:17 +0100 >>>Subject: [Milan-pm] Perl Test >> >>>Some time ago I was demanded to do a simple test to check the quality >>>of the Perl Developers candidates into a Company and I did this one >>>(without javascript): >>> >>>http://milan.pm.org/perl_test.html >>> >>>You can try it for fun and set the results in here. >>> >>>Best regards >>>Marcos Rebelo >>> >>>-- >>>Marcos Rebelo >>>http://oleber.freehostia.com >>>Milan Perl Mongers leader http://milan.pm.org >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Milan-pm mailing list >>>Milan-pm at pm.org >>>http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/milan-pm >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:48:42 +0100 >> From: "Oha" >> Subject: Re: [Milan-pm] Perl Test >> To: milan-pm at pm.org >> Message-ID: <200901151648.n0FGmgeP028329 at vivaldi28.register.it> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >>>http://milan.pm.org/perl_test.html >> >> doh, 67%! >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:01:04 +0100 >> From: Stefano Rodighiero >> Subject: Re: [Milan-pm] Perl Test >> To: milan-pm at pm.org, Oha >> Message-ID: >> <699026fb0901150901h6b74a86ds588bd270af92339b at mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Oha wrote: >> >>> doh, 67%! >> >> 89% ! >> >> (but I have my doubts on this kind of tests during interviews) >> >> S. >> >> -- >> www.stefanorodighiero.net >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:43:14 +0100 >> From: marcos rebelo >> Subject: Re: [Milan-pm] Perl Test >> To: milan-pm at pm.org >> Message-ID: >> <319d96980901151043j385ad55ald5ae7e917a76626f at mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> This test was just doing a filtering. >> >> The person was requested to give a 1 to 5 evaluation of her knowledge >> in diverse areas, in the case of having a 4 or 5 in Perl, he was doing >> a test similar to this one. Less the 50% was setting the person out of >> the process, between 50% and 75% was having a fast interview with a >> expert in the area, more then 75% was passing directly to the final >> interview. >> >> The last interview was having 5 persons doing questions in diverse >> areas, all this was being done in 3 to 4 hours. >> >> Some normal question where: >> Describe one of the algorithms: >> Quick Sort >> Merge Sort >> Bucket sort >> When shall we use Bubble Sort? (my preferred question) >> How to count the repeated lines in a file? >> ... >> >> It was the most difficult interview that I had until today, but at the >> end we where having 100 developers of the best in Portugal. >> >> Best Regards >> Marcos Rebelo >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Stefano Rodighiero >> wrote: >>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Oha wrote: >>> >>>> doh, 67%! >>> >>> 89% ! >>> >>> (but I have my doubts on this kind of tests during interviews) >>> >>> S. >>> >>> -- >>> www.stefanorodighiero.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Milan-pm mailing list >>> Milan-pm at pm.org >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/milan-pm >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Marcos Rebelo >> http://oleber.freehostia.com >> Milan Perl Mongers leader http://milan.pm.org >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Milan-pm mailing list >> Milan-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/milan-pm >> >> >> End of Milan-pm Digest, Vol 2, Issue 8 >> ************************************** >> > > > > -- > Giulio Bertani > www.perquelliche.it (In definizione ...) > _______________________________________________ > Milan-pm mailing list > Milan-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/milan-pm > -- Marcos Rebelo http://oleber.freehostia.com Milan Perl Mongers leader http://milan.pm.org From mb at cattlegrid.info Fri Jan 16 01:56:02 2009 From: mb at cattlegrid.info (Michele Beltrame) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 10:56:02 +0100 Subject: [Milan-pm] Perl Test In-Reply-To: <699026fb0901150901h6b74a86ds588bd270af92339b@mail.gmail.com> References: <200901151648.n0FGmgeP028329@vivaldi28.register.it> <699026fb0901150901h6b74a86ds588bd270af92339b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090116095601.GA10899@nowhere.ebau.it> Ciao! > > doh, 67%! > > 89% ! 78%. ;) Michele. -- Michele Beltrame http://www.cattlegrid.info/ ICQ 76660101 - MSN mb at italpro.net From oleber at gmail.com Sun Jan 25 06:54:30 2009 From: oleber at gmail.com (marcos rebelo) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:54:30 +0100 Subject: [Milan-pm] Milan PM February 2009 Monthly Meeting In-Reply-To: <319d96980901110931v6e8d0685i210c1fb5cc427dae@mail.gmail.com> References: <319d96980901100132v21d94d76ha8ff4588a4bd7487@mail.gmail.com> <3f9c3baf0901110747s238e66eoc27cf01ca7f10609@mail.gmail.com> <319d96980901110931v6e8d0685i210c1fb5cc427dae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <319d96980901250654o60d99c9at812081902c4e092e@mail.gmail.com> Until now I didn't get any opinion on this point. When shall we have the monthly meeting? For now is marked for the 4 of February, and if I don't get any opinion probably will stay in this day. It is also important to know who is willing to go, in such a way that I can mark a table for us. Best regards Marcos Rebelo On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 6:31 PM, marcos rebelo wrote: > Hi all > > We don't need to have a website, for this we can use the mailing list. > > Everyone having one opinion about the bad days for the meeting in the > first or last week of the month, please post them in here. It is > important to check if we are using the some dates of other User Groups > like Linux, Python, PHP, C/C++, Java, ... > > For now I don't have any problem of dates since I'm steal looking for > a job, after that I may have some problems. Lets try to avoid the > Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays. > > I will try to collect the info of all the members posting in here and > on the 19 of January we publish the date of the meeting. > > Note: it's important to find a simple rule, so I need opinions. > > Best Regards > Marcos Rebelo > > On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Max M wrote: >> On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 10:32, marcos rebelo wrote: >>> We have an event of the group. Lets see if the snow isn't going to appear again. >> >> Marcos, although I'm willing to take part in the meetings, rarely am I >> free on wednesdays. >> >> May I suggest taking a different approach? Instead of fixing a date >> and hoping people can arrange their engagements accordingly, we could >> use Doodle (http://www.doodle.com) or a similar service (there are a >> few), which allows you to define a set of candidate dates/times and >> let people state their availability. >> >> Max >> _______________________________________________ >> Milan-pm mailing list >> Milan-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/milan-pm >> > > > > -- > Marcos Rebelo > http://oleber.freehostia.com > Milan Perl Mongers leader http://milan.pm.org > -- Marcos Rebelo http://oleber.freehostia.com Milan Perl Mongers leader http://milan.pm.org From fabio.lr81 at gmail.com Tue Jan 27 08:43:55 2009 From: fabio.lr81 at gmail.com (Fabio La Rosa) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:43:55 +0100 Subject: [Milan-pm] Ciao a tutti. Message-ID: Ciao a tutti ragazzi. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From oleber at gmail.com Tue Jan 27 11:11:54 2009 From: oleber at gmail.com (marcos rebelo) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:11:54 +0100 Subject: [Milan-pm] Ciao a tutti. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <319d96980901271111t1d92e4c3yca946a1a418478cc@mail.gmail.com> hi F?bio Welcome Best Regards Marcos Rebelo 2009/1/27 Fabio La Rosa : > Ciao a tutti ragazzi. > > _______________________________________________ > Milan-pm mailing list > Milan-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/milan-pm > > -- Marcos Rebelo http://oleber.freehostia.com Milan Perl Mongers leader http://milan.pm.org From oha at oha.it Tue Jan 27 15:59:00 2009 From: oha at oha.it (Oha) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 00:59:00 +0100 Subject: [Milan-pm] Ciao a tutti. Message-ID: <200901272359.n0RNx0BE022284@vivaldi16.register.it> >Ciao a tutti ragazzi. ciao, e ben venuto! From fabio.lr81 at gmail.com Thu Jan 29 06:02:26 2009 From: fabio.lr81 at gmail.com (Fabio La Rosa) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:02:26 +0100 Subject: [Milan-pm] help! ^^ Message-ID: Ciao a tutti ragazzi, avrei un problema da esporvi. Il mio problema riguarda una connessione telnet multipla, ovvero: Necessito da remoto di entrare in telnet in una macchina(e fino a qui ok)e da qui eseguire ancora un altro telnet per aquisire un output prodotto da un ping. Essendo ancora non esperto Perl, e sperando di essere stato chiaro ad esporvi il mio problema, volevo sapere se qualcuno ha una soluzione in merito. Grazie Mille. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Il mio problema riguarda una connessione > telnet multipla, ovvero: > > Necessito da remoto di entrare in telnet in una macchina(e fino a qui ok)e > da qui eseguire ancora un altro telnet per aquisire un output prodotto da un > ping. > > Essendo ancora non esperto Perl, e sperando di essere stato chiaro ad > esporvi il mio problema, volevo sapere se qualcuno ha una soluzione in > merito. > > Grazie Mille. > _______________________________________________ > Milan-pm mailing list > Milan-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/milan-pm > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: