From drew at drewtaylor.com  Mon Jul  1 18:54:28 2013
From: drew at drewtaylor.com (Drew Taylor)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 11:54:28 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Meetings via Google Hangout
Message-ID: <CAKcQOu0taVCa0MKj8ZCV=DtKxeHs4naCQdAUBpXYSghvYnihJw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Since Sydney.pm meets so rarely, and Melbourne.pm meets every month, would
you be willing to try using a Google Hangout so us Sydney-ites could
attend? The question is inspired by an experiment from Toronto.pm [1].

You could also ask, why doesn't Sydney.pm meet more regularly but I think
that would be off topic for this list. :)

Thanks,
Drew

[1]
http://blogs.perl.org/users/olaf_alders/2013/06/perl-mongers-meetings-via-google-hangout.html
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From alfiej at opera.com  Mon Jul  1 19:28:30 2013
From: alfiej at opera.com (Alfie John)
Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2013 12:28:30 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Request for July talks [was Meetings via Google
	Hangout]
In-Reply-To: <CAKcQOu0taVCa0MKj8ZCV=DtKxeHs4naCQdAUBpXYSghvYnihJw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKcQOu0taVCa0MKj8ZCV=DtKxeHs4naCQdAUBpXYSghvYnihJw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1372732110.24052.140661250769953.5BE51BAA@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Hi Drew,

On Tue, Jul 2, 2013, at 11:54 AM, Drew Taylor wrote:
> Since Sydney.pm meets so rarely, and Melbourne.pm meets every month,
> would
> you be willing to try using a Google Hangout so us Sydney-ites could
> attend? The question is inspired by an experiment from Toronto.pm [1].

We try to have meetings every month but lately it's been hard to get
speakers. Although I haven't put out a request for speakers for July,
I'm not exactly getting swapped by volunteers either.

On that (even though it is short notice), would anyone like to volunteer
to talk for July? Strategic Data have kindly put up their hand to hold
the next few talks. 

> You could also ask, why doesn't Sydney.pm meet more regularly but I think
> that would be off topic for this list. :)

Until Toby raised it with me last year, I was surprised to hear that not
all Perl Monger groups hold monthly meetings. I thought it was the norm,
but it's an exception that Melbourne was the only regular monthly
Australian PM group. Hopefully a Google Hangout with interstate (or even
international) groups might spark some interest?

Speaking of spark... is anyone out there interested in taking over the
organising of talks for meetings going forward? I've been a bit busy
lately and maybe somebody else may have a bit more time to gather talks
and flock every month?

Alfie

-- 
  Alfie John
  alfiej at opera.com

From drew at drewtaylor.com  Mon Jul  1 20:53:45 2013
From: drew at drewtaylor.com (Drew Taylor)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 13:53:45 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Request for July talks [was Meetings via Google
	Hangout]
In-Reply-To: <1372732110.24052.140661250769953.5BE51BAA@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <CAKcQOu0taVCa0MKj8ZCV=DtKxeHs4naCQdAUBpXYSghvYnihJw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1372732110.24052.140661250769953.5BE51BAA@webmail.messagingengine.com>
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On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Alfie John <alfiej at opera.com> wrote:

>
> Until Toby raised it with me last year, I was surprised to hear that not
> all Perl Monger groups hold monthly meetings. I thought it was the norm,
> but it's an exception that Melbourne was the only regular monthly
> Australian PM group. Hopefully a Google Hangout with interstate (or even
> international) groups might spark some interest?
>

I'll admit, I was very spoiled by my time with Boston.pm who did have
monthly meetings. I agree an interstate Hangout might be useful for getting
interest started. There were several recent Melbourne.pm meetings that I
would have liked to attend because of the topics.

That said, I don't remember the last time I posted to the Sydney.pm
mailing... time to correct that!

Drew
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From jarich at perltraining.com.au  Mon Jul  8 22:05:18 2013
From: jarich at perltraining.com.au (Jacinta Richardson)
Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 15:05:18 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Request for July talks [was Meetings via Google
 Hangout]
In-Reply-To: <1372732110.24052.140661250769953.5BE51BAA@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <CAKcQOu0taVCa0MKj8ZCV=DtKxeHs4naCQdAUBpXYSghvYnihJw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1372732110.24052.140661250769953.5BE51BAA@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <51DB9A0E.3080002@perltraining.com.au>

On 02/07/13 12:28, Alfie John wrote:
> Speaking of spark... is anyone out there interested in taking over the 
> organising of talks for meetings going forward? I've been a bit busy 
> lately and maybe somebody else may have a bit more time to gather 
> talks and flock every month? Alfie 

I can't yet, but I hope I'll be able to take over in a while longer.  
You and Toby have been doing a great job.  When Paul and I did it, we 
essentially solved the lack of meeting talks by volunteering ourselves 
on a regular basis ;).  I can't even remember what talks I have and 
haven't given Melbourne PM these days.

     J

From toby.corkindale at strategicdata.com.au  Mon Jul  8 22:08:03 2013
From: toby.corkindale at strategicdata.com.au (Toby Corkindale)
Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 15:08:03 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Request for July talks [was Meetings via Google
 Hangout]
In-Reply-To: <1372732110.24052.140661250769953.5BE51BAA@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <CAKcQOu0taVCa0MKj8ZCV=DtKxeHs4naCQdAUBpXYSghvYnihJw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1372732110.24052.140661250769953.5BE51BAA@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <51DB9AB3.2050405@strategicdata.com.au>

On 02/07/13 12:28, Alfie John wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2013, at 11:54 AM, Drew Taylor wrote:
>> Since Sydney.pm meets so rarely, and Melbourne.pm meets every month,
>> would
>> you be willing to try using a Google Hangout so us Sydney-ites could
>> attend? The question is inspired by an experiment from Toronto.pm [1].
>
> We try to have meetings every month but lately it's been hard to get
> speakers. Although I haven't put out a request for speakers for July,
> I'm not exactly getting swapped by volunteers either.
>
> On that (even though it is short notice), would anyone like to volunteer
> to talk for July? Strategic Data have kindly put up their hand to hold
> the next few talks.

Someone else will need to do the actual hosting here however -- I am not 
available next Wednesday, and am out of the country for the meeting 
dates in August and September.

From john.kaye at monash.edu  Mon Jul  8 23:39:02 2013
From: john.kaye at monash.edu (John Kaye)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 16:39:02 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Request for July talks [was Meetings via Google
	Hangout]
In-Reply-To: <1372732110.24052.140661250769953.5BE51BAA@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <CAKcQOu0taVCa0MKj8ZCV=DtKxeHs4naCQdAUBpXYSghvYnihJw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1372732110.24052.140661250769953.5BE51BAA@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <CABHR95Vdy0_7CCKNgnyS_0z05JDQtLvrRKzieqJcPXdskBsJ_Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Alfie and Toby,

I have followed the recent (Melbourne Perl Mongers) discussion about July
talks
with interest, but I am still waiting for an answer to that perpetual
question:

Is tomorrow's Melbourne Perl Mongers meeting going ahead?

Cheers,
John

John Kaye,
Analyst Programmer
eSolutions
Monash University, Clayton
Ph: +61 3 990 56168


On 2 July 2013 12:28, Alfie John <alfiej at opera.com> wrote:

> Hi Drew,
>
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2013, at 11:54 AM, Drew Taylor wrote:
> > Since Sydney.pm meets so rarely, and Melbourne.pm meets every month,
> > would
> > you be willing to try using a Google Hangout so us Sydney-ites could
> > attend? The question is inspired by an experiment from Toronto.pm [1].
>
> We try to have meetings every month but lately it's been hard to get
> speakers. Although I haven't put out a request for speakers for July,
> I'm not exactly getting swapped by volunteers either.
>
> On that (even though it is short notice), would anyone like to volunteer
> to talk for July? Strategic Data have kindly put up their hand to hold
> the next few talks.
>
> > You could also ask, why doesn't Sydney.pm meet more regularly but I think
> > that would be off topic for this list. :)
>
> Until Toby raised it with me last year, I was surprised to hear that not
> all Perl Monger groups hold monthly meetings. I thought it was the norm,
> but it's an exception that Melbourne was the only regular monthly
> Australian PM group. Hopefully a Google Hangout with interstate (or even
> international) groups might spark some interest?
>
> Speaking of spark... is anyone out there interested in taking over the
> organising of talks for meetings going forward? I've been a bit busy
> lately and maybe somebody else may have a bit more time to gather talks
> and flock every month?
>
> Alfie
>
> --
>   Alfie John
>   alfiej at opera.com
> _______________________________________________
> Melbourne-pm mailing list
> Melbourne-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pm
>
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From alfiej at opera.com  Tue Jul  9 04:31:42 2013
From: alfiej at opera.com (Alfie John)
Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 21:31:42 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Request for July talks [was Meetings via Google
 Hangout]
In-Reply-To: <CABHR95Vdy0_7CCKNgnyS_0z05JDQtLvrRKzieqJcPXdskBsJ_Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKcQOu0taVCa0MKj8ZCV=DtKxeHs4naCQdAUBpXYSghvYnihJw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1372732110.24052.140661250769953.5BE51BAA@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<CABHR95Vdy0_7CCKNgnyS_0z05JDQtLvrRKzieqJcPXdskBsJ_Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1373369502.12904.140661253547414.7C127EFE@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Hey,

On Tue, Jul 9, 2013, at 04:39 PM, John Kaye wrote:
> Hi Alfie and Toby,
> 
> I have followed the recent (Melbourne Perl Mongers) discussion about July
> talks
> with interest, but I am still waiting for an answer to that perpetual
> question:
> 
> Is tomorrow's Melbourne Perl Mongers meeting going ahead?

Sorry John, there's no talks organised for tomorrow yet so I don't think
it's going ahead.

Alfie

-- 
  Alfie John
  alfiej at opera.com

From list at bereft.net  Tue Jul  9 17:36:11 2013
From: list at bereft.net (Brad Bowman)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 10:36:11 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Request for July talks [was Meetings via Google
 Hangout]
In-Reply-To: <51DB9AB3.2050405@strategicdata.com.au>
References: <CAKcQOu0taVCa0MKj8ZCV=DtKxeHs4naCQdAUBpXYSghvYnihJw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1372732110.24052.140661250769953.5BE51BAA@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<51DB9AB3.2050405@strategicdata.com.au>
Message-ID: <51DCAC7B.8070702@bereft.net>

On 09/07/13 15:08, Toby Corkindale wrote:
> On 02/07/13 12:28, Alfie John wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2013, at 11:54 AM, Drew Taylor wrote:
>>> Since Sydney.pm meets so rarely, and Melbourne.pm meets every month,
>>> would
>>> you be willing to try using a Google Hangout so us Sydney-ites could
>>> attend? The question is inspired by an experiment from Toronto.pm [1].
>>
>> We try to have meetings every month but lately it's been hard to get
>> speakers. Although I haven't put out a request for speakers for July,
>> I'm not exactly getting swapped by volunteers either.
>>
>> On that (even though it is short notice), would anyone like to volunteer
>> to talk for July? Strategic Data have kindly put up their hand to hold
>> the next few talks.
>
> Someone else will need to do the actual hosting here however -- I am not
> available next Wednesday, and am out of the country for the meeting dates in
> August and September.

I can probably skip my usual Wednesday class for those two months to open the
Strategic Data door (if needed).

Perhaps whoever is the speaker each time can do the reminding and whatever
else needs doing.

Toby discussed sharing the admin burden around, if the work could be
reduced or streamlined then perhaps it would be less of an issue.
Is anyone else interested in chipping in without having to be the sole leader?
For organization purposes, we probably need a per-meeting co-ordinator,
but that can rotate.

Strategic Data's management have expressed willingness to provide
some non-technical administration effort, if that would be helpful.

Other ideas for meeting activities discussed with Toby:

* Perl Video nights, talks from O.S. + discussion
* Perl Coding Competitions (for prizes)
* Bug squashing nights (last Paul one organized was fun)
* Review modules as a group (and publish review)
* Read code as a group and discuss (CPAN or private code)
* Hackathons, perhaps write modules as a group
* Perl Trivia Night
* Perl Golf Competition
* Work-flow / dotfiles show and tell
* Discuss architecture questions
* Write tests for things
* Traditional talks

I put this list in a meetup poll as a test:
   http://www.meetup.com/Melbourne-Perl-Mongers/polls/861822/
Perhaps we can put up lists of potential talks there for feedback.

Some of these things require a fair amount of preparation so would need
a champion, others would be more light-weight.

We should also thank Alfie and Toby for doing the job that the rest
won't (me included, I'm not volunteering) for so long.

Brad





From jarich at perltraining.com.au  Thu Jul 11 23:03:38 2013
From: jarich at perltraining.com.au (jarich at perltraining.com.au)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 06:03:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] OSDC 2013, Auckland, NZ, Call for Papers ends Monday
Message-ID: <20130712060338.A5AB821709@tbear2.perltraining.com.au>


Dear Melbourne PM committee/list owner,

Thankyou for your support over the years for the Open Source Developers'
Conference.  We would love to invite your group members to submit to this
year's call for presentations, and would be delighted if you'd pass this
message on for us.

------------------------

The Open Source Developers' Conference is running in Auckland this year
on 21st - 23rd October.  Save this date now!  Once again it'll be a
conference not to be missed.

The Call for Proposals is just about over, it closes next Monday 15th
July.  Make sure that you get your submission in as soon as possible so
that you can be involved in this awesome event.

We have had some high calibre submissions so far covering a diverse 
range of topics including

  * web server security
  * disaster management
  * documentation
  * anonymity
  * security in the Cloud.

Areas we are currently lacking contributions include

  * development tools and Best Practices
  * open source hardware
  * identity management for the open internet
  * working with open source databases such as MySQL, MariaDB and PostgreSQL
  * mobile platforms and open source
  * the next great thing in Open Source focused languages

We'd also love to hear about those companies who have managed to create 
Business solutions with Open Source tech. Open Source is a viable, 
cost-effective tool for Business solutions. We want to hear from those 
of you who have created your own solution using this technology. What 
were the advantages/disadvantages of using Open Source? How did your 
solution hold up in the long run?

Visit the Call For Papers page http://osdc.org.nz/cfp/ for more 
information and get in touch!

Please, also tell your friends!

With thanks,

   Jacinta, on behalf of the 2013 OSDC Auckland team.


From jarich at perltraining.com.au  Thu Jul 11 23:08:19 2013
From: jarich at perltraining.com.au (Jacinta Richardson)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 16:08:19 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] OSDC 2013, Auckland, NZ,
 Call for Papers ends Monday
In-Reply-To: <20130712060338.A5AB821709@tbear2.perltraining.com.au>
References: <20130712060338.A5AB821709@tbear2.perltraining.com.au>
Message-ID: <51DF9D53.3040508@perltraining.com.au>

On 12/07/13 16:03, jarich at perltraining.com.au wrote:
> Dear Melbourne PM committee/list owner,
>
> Thankyou for your support over the years for the Open Source Developers'
> Conference.  We would love to invite your group members to submit to this
> year's call for presentations, and would be delighted if you'd pass this
> message on for us.

Bah, the perils of writing modal code when you only have half a brain.

     J

From tconnors at rather.puzzling.org  Thu Jul 11 23:37:51 2013
From: tconnors at rather.puzzling.org (Tim Connors)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 16:37:51 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] OSDC 2013, Auckland, NZ,
 Call for Papers ends Monday
In-Reply-To: <51DF9D53.3040508@perltraining.com.au>
References: <20130712060338.A5AB821709@tbear2.perltraining.com.au>
	<51DF9D53.3040508@perltraining.com.au>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1307121637190.5729@dirac.rather.puzzling.org>

On Fri, 12 Jul 2013, Jacinta Richardson wrote:

> On 12/07/13 16:03, jarich at perltraining.com.au wrote:
> > Dear Melbourne PM committee/list owner,
> >
> > Thankyou for your support over the years for the Open Source Developers'
> > Conference.  We would love to invite your group members to submit to this
> > year's call for presentations, and would be delighted if you'd pass this
> > message on for us.
>
> Bah, the perils of writing modal code when you only have half a brain.

Hey, at least you didn't call us "Ruby developers group" :P

<shudder>

-- 
Tim Connors

From andrew_dent at dentaur.com  Sun Jul 14 00:37:35 2013
From: andrew_dent at dentaur.com (Andrew Dent)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 17:37:35 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Perl Mail Client
Message-ID: <000001ce8065$035b4b50$0a11e1f0$@dentaur.com>

Hi

 

I'm looking for a mail client that I can script to retrieve mail from a mail
box, and then save off any attachments. 

Is there a Perl module that does this?

 

Cheers

 

Andrew

 

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From myfwhite at gmail.com  Sun Jul 14 07:26:01 2013
From: myfwhite at gmail.com (Myf White)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 00:26:01 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Perl Mail Client
In-Reply-To: <000001ce8065$035b4b50$0a11e1f0$@dentaur.com>
References: <000001ce8065$035b4b50$0a11e1f0$@dentaur.com>
Message-ID: <CAP7036WFZYqPVRnpaEMdzOG+nEf7rzN+aKDmgfNrPHRvC7J=dQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Andrew,

I use Net::POP3::PerMsgHandler for checking mail, and for saving
attachments I use Email::MIME (the former is designed to work with the
latter). Email::MIME has a walk_parts method to process the parts of an
email, which I have found to be a bit buggy, so I just wrote a recursive
call to process the parts which seems to work better for me.

Myf
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From alfiej at opera.com  Sun Jul 14 15:12:54 2013
From: alfiej at opera.com (Alfie John)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 08:12:54 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Perl Mail Client
In-Reply-To: <000001ce8065$035b4b50$0a11e1f0$@dentaur.com>
References: <000001ce8065$035b4b50$0a11e1f0$@dentaur.com>
Message-ID: <1373839974.30959.140661255589557.66F3B560@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Hey Andrew,

On Sun, Jul 14, 2013, at 05:37 PM, Andrew Dent wrote:
> I'm looking for a mail client that I can script to retrieve mail from a
> mail
> box, and then save off any attachments. 
> 
> Is there a Perl module that does this?

We're biased towards Mail::IMAPTalk :)

Alfie

-- 
  Alfie John
  alfiej at opera.com

From melbourne-pm at mjch.net  Sun Jul 21 19:01:53 2013
From: melbourne-pm at mjch.net (Malcolm Herbert)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 12:01:53 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] working with Google Docs spreadsheets
Message-ID: <20130722020152.GA10493@deimos.ergonaut.org>

Mongers - I've been given access to a Google Doc which a group I'm part
of is using as a calendar. I'd like to be able to grab various fields
from within this and create a proper iCal feed[1] ... is there a module
similar to the existing Excel module that allows access to a Google Docs
spreadsheet and pull values from it?

Has anyone had any success/war stories of attempting this?

Regards,
Malcolm

[1] yes, I've tried telling them to actually use a calendar but this has
been resisted quite strongly

-- 
Malcolm Herbert
mjch at mjch.net
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From shlomif at shlomifish.org  Tue Jul 23 03:48:18 2013
From: shlomif at shlomifish.org (Shlomi Fish)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 13:48:18 +0300
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] working with Google Docs spreadsheets
In-Reply-To: <20130722020152.GA10493@deimos.ergonaut.org>
References: <20130722020152.GA10493@deimos.ergonaut.org>
Message-ID: <20130723134818.21d319de@telaviv1.shlomifish.org>

Hi Malcolm,

On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 12:01:53 +1000
Malcolm Herbert <melbourne-pm at mjch.net> wrote:

> Mongers - I've been given access to a Google Doc which a group I'm part
> of is using as a calendar. I'd like to be able to grab various fields
> from within this and create a proper iCal feed[1] ... is there a module
> similar to the existing Excel module that allows access to a Google Docs
> spreadsheet and pull values from it?
> 

A quick metacpan.org search yields
https://metacpan.org/release/Net-Google-Spreadsheets (Also see:
https://metacpan.org/search?q=google%20spreadsheets ). No experience with it.

> Has anyone had any success/war stories of attempting this?

Well, it wasn't in Perl - it was in a previous workplace using Python for
processing a Google spreadsheet and it worked pretty well. Then, however,
Google broke the URLs to the Python spreadsheet module's online documentation
and it started referring to Java documentation or something like that, and a
bug that we filed about it remained stale. The code I had continued to work,
but it was harder for me to enhance it.

Regards,

	Shlomi Fish

> 
> Regards,
> Malcolm
> 
> [1] yes, I've tried telling them to actually use a calendar but this has
> been resisted quite strongly
> 



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