[Melbourne-pm] Meeting Reminder (TONIGHT): Wednesday the 13th of February, 2013

Myf White myfwhite at gmail.com
Mon Feb 18 19:03:09 PST 2013

$very_beared_gentleman = "Andrew";

Kind Regards,
Myf White

*Phone: *0413 757 052*
Email:* myfwhite at gmail.com

On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Michael G. Schwern <schwern at pobox.com>wrote:

> On 2/19/13 1:22 PM, Sam Watkins wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:55:25AM +1100, Michael G. Schwern wrote:
> >> I'll post up about it at a later date, probably going to be a month
> >> before I can come back to this.  The discussion at the meeting was
> >> excellent and the idea is rapidly evolving towards something
> implementable.
> >
> > Can you inform us non-attendees what, vaguely, your amazing idea
> > is about in like one line, now?
> Aldi, Myf, $very_beared_gentleman (whose name I forget) and I came up
> with a working title "PayTron".  It combines the idea of payment with
> the idea of patronage with the idea of awful puns.
> It provides an API to answer the question "tell me about this file (or
> other digital thing)" which includes "how do I pay for this digital
> thing".  Once the content creator has registered their thing with the
> system anyone can get at the metadata.  Since its an API, anything can
> query PayTron and build tools to do so.  Since its discoverable, it
> requires no interaction between the content creator and the thing doing
> the displaying.
> For example, https://www.comic-rocket.com/ is my favorite comic
> aggregation site.  For each comic I read it could query PayTron for
> metadata about each comic URL (in this way it can absorb Flattr) and
> display it if available.  If it includes payment information it can
> display a "pay for it" button.  As the "distributor" or more correctly
> "entity who got the payment button in front of your face", Comic Rocket
> gets a small cut providing a new revenue source for web sites.  PayTron
> gets a small cut for operating costs.  The notary (which may be a
> traditional publisher/label) which verifies who has the right to sell
> what gets a cut negotiated with the content creator.  The content
> creator gets the rest.
> If you charge $1 for something and get 80 cents on the dollar it takes
> 100k sales a year to make a very nice living.  This is still a lot of
> sales, but its more achievable than the millions of sales necessary to
> make a living in a traditional system where the content creator gets
> pennies on the dollar.  My friend who has music on Spotify gave me some
> numbers... they got $1.52 for 200 downloads of a song or less than a
> penny per download.  Yuck.
> There are a great many details and sub-problems and legal issues which I
> will not get into right now but can later.  The notary system.  The
> payment system.  The identification system.  Legal issues.  Social
> engineering users to pay.  Social engineering artists to register.  We
> have first order solutions to them.
> The meeting turned into a huge discussion about how one might make it
> distributed.  That would be neat and protect it against the inevitable
> subpoena from the MPAA/RIAA/USgovt ("hey look, its a database of
> piracy!").  I'm interested in the shortest technical, social, economic
> and legal path to getting it off the ground, which means side-stepping
> interesting but difficult problems like how we make it distributed.
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