From alfiej at opera.com Mon Jan 2 13:12:37 2012 From: alfiej at opera.com (Alfie John) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 08:12:37 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Melbourne Perl Mongers in January? Message-ID: <1325538757.24634.140661018435541@webmail.messagingengine.com> Hi guys, The usual date for Melbourne Perl Mongers is only a week away. Does anyone have any talks they would like to give? Alfie -- Alfie John alfiej at opera.com From toby.corkindale at strategicdata.com.au Mon Jan 2 15:35:56 2012 From: toby.corkindale at strategicdata.com.au (Toby Corkindale) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 10:35:56 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Melbourne Perl Mongers in January? In-Reply-To: <1325538757.24634.140661018435541@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1325538757.24634.140661018435541@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <4F023F5C.5000105@strategicdata.com.au> On 03/01/12 08:12, Alfie John wrote: > Hi guys, > > The usual date for Melbourne Perl Mongers is only a week away. Does anyone have any talks they would like to give? > > Alfie I'm not sure if we regularly run Jan meetings -- do we? That said, if there are talks to give, then they should be heard! :) -Toby From list at bereft.net Tue Jan 3 15:47:24 2012 From: list at bereft.net (Brad Bowman) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 10:47:24 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Melbourne Perl Mongers in January? In-Reply-To: <1325538757.24634.140661018435541@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1325538757.24634.140661018435541@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <4F03938C.50706@bereft.net> > On 03/01/12 08:12, Alfie John wrote: >> Hi guys, >> >> The usual date for Melbourne Perl Mongers is only a week away. Does >> anyone have any talks they would like to give? >> >> Alfie > > I'm not sure if we regularly run Jan meetings -- do we? > > That said, if there are talks to give, then they should be heard! :) I've been pondering a talk but doing it in Feb would allow a bit more procrastination. Brad From alfiej at opera.com Tue Jan 10 14:42:31 2012 From: alfiej at opera.com (Alfie John) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:42:31 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Perl Mongers tonight? Message-ID: <1326235351.7418.140661021801261@webmail.messagingengine.com> Hi guys, Since nobody came forward to give a talk tonight, I think we can call tonight off. Unless everyone wants to have a social night in a pub somewhere? Alfie -- Alfie John alfiej at opera.com From alfiej at opera.com Wed Jan 18 14:46:21 2012 From: alfiej at opera.com (Alfie John) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 09:46:21 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Opera Software looking for new DevOps Message-ID: <1326926781.15406.140661025143693@webmail.messagingengine.com> Hi guys, We've got an opening for a DevOps in either Melbourne or Oslo: http://www.opera.com/company/jobs/opening/331/ Alfie -- Alfie John alfiej at opera.com From jarich at perltraining.com.au Fri Jan 20 15:43:12 2012 From: jarich at perltraining.com.au (Jacinta Richardson) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 10:43:12 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Next Melbourne PM meeting, Wednesday 8th February Message-ID: <4F19FC10.6010908@perltraining.com.au> G'day lovely people, I don't know where the next meeting will be, but I'd be happy to give the following talk thereat (my OPL mini conf talk at LCA this year). Don't hate Unicode Unicode sneaks into the most unexpected places. Do you ever wonder if your life would be much, much easier if your default encoding was not ASCII? Do you know what the difference between UTF-8 and Unicode strings are? Do you know what your default encoding is, or how to change it? Does it all seem to hard, and make you resent anything to do with the locale? If 7-bit ASCII was good enough for me, it should be good enough for you! Have you been left behind with this whole Unicode thing to the point that you're confused and resentful of the whole thing? I know I was. When your name, and everything you write works wonderfully in ASCII it can be hard to summon the enthusiasm to learn about Unicode, even when you know that you should be handling your data better. Imagine your code is using a logging library, that expects strings. What does it do when you pass it a Unicode object? It'll probably write it, encoding it in your default encoding (probably ASCII). And it'll probably work, on all of your test cases, and on most of your data. Until someone comes on with a non-ASCII character in their name, and causes your code to throw an exception. You probably weren't expecting it, it might not even be your library. Unicode works implicitly often enough that Unicode can sneak in well before you realise your code isn't robust enough to handle it. This talk will cover the essentials of Unicode and how it affects things like regular expressions. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alfiej at opera.com Sun Jan 22 12:52:02 2012 From: alfiej at opera.com (Alfie John) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 07:52:02 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Next Melbourne PM meeting, Wednesday 8th February In-Reply-To: <4F19FC10.6010908@perltraining.com.au> Message-ID: <1327265522.21907.140661026616713@webmail.messagingengine.com> Hey Jacinta, I'm going to send out a call for talks on Wednesday. So far we have Brad giving a talk on the Sub::Sampling and Sub::Space modules but your talk is most welcome :) Alfie On Sat, Jan 21, 2012, at 10:43 AM, Jacinta Richardson wrote: > G'day lovely people, > > I don't know where the next meeting will be, but I'd be happy to give the > following talk thereat (my OPL mini conf talk at LCA this year). > > > Don't hate Unicode > > Unicode sneaks into the most unexpected places. Do you ever wonder if > your life > would be much, much easier if your default encoding was not ASCII? Do you > know > what the difference between UTF-8 and Unicode strings are? Do you know > what your > default encoding is, or how to change it? Does it all seem to hard, and > make you > resent anything to do with the locale? > > If 7-bit ASCII was good enough for me, it should be good enough for you! > Have > you been left behind with this whole Unicode thing to the point that > you're > confused and resentful of the whole thing? I know I was. When your name, > and > everything you write works wonderfully in ASCII it can be hard to summon > the > enthusiasm to learn about Unicode, even when you know that you should be > handling your data better. > > Imagine your code is using a logging library, that expects strings. What > does it > do when you pass it a Unicode object? It'll probably write it, encoding > it in > your default encoding (probably ASCII). And it'll probably work, on all > of your > test cases, and on most of your data. Until someone comes on with a > non-ASCII > character in their name, and causes your code to throw an exception. You > probably weren't expecting it, it might not even be your library. Unicode > works > implicitly often enough that Unicode can sneak in well before you realise > your > code isn't robust enough to handle it. > > This talk will cover the essentials of Unicode and how it affects things > like > regular expressions. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Melbourne-pm mailing list > Melbourne-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pm -- Alfie John alfiej at opera.com From toby.corkindale at strategicdata.com.au Sun Jan 22 15:56:39 2012 From: toby.corkindale at strategicdata.com.au (Toby Corkindale) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 10:56:39 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Next Melbourne PM meeting, Wednesday 8th February In-Reply-To: <4F19FC10.6010908@perltraining.com.au> References: <4F19FC10.6010908@perltraining.com.au> Message-ID: <4F1CA237.5010007@strategicdata.com.au> That sounds like an interesting talk. Some days, I wonder if MS and co had a point with their adoption of UTF-16 instead of UTF-8 -- because it forces you to make everything work with it. Simple ASCII isn't valid UTF-16 at all, so you'll find the mistakes in your code quicker. Downsides are, of course, that it's a pain to handle in just about everything for the same reasons :) On 21/01/12 10:43, Jacinta Richardson wrote: > G'day lovely people, > > I don't know where the next meeting will be, but I'd be happy to give > the following talk thereat (my OPL mini conf talk at LCA this year). > > > Don't hate Unicode > > Unicode sneaks into the most unexpected places. Do you ever wonder if > your life would be much, much easier if your default encoding was not > ASCII? Do you know what the difference between UTF-8 and Unicode strings > are? Do you know what your default encoding is, or how to change it? > Does it all seem to hard, and make you resent anything to do with the > locale? > > If 7-bit ASCII was good enough for me, it should be good enough for you! > Have you been left behind with this whole Unicode thing to the point > that you're confused and resentful of the whole thing? I know I was. > When your name, and everything you write works wonderfully in ASCII it > can be hard to summon the enthusiasm to learn about Unicode, even when > you know that you should be handling your data better. > > Imagine your code is using a logging library, that expects strings. What > does it do when you pass it a Unicode object? It'll probably write it, > encoding it in your default encoding (probably ASCII). And it'll > probably work, on all of your test cases, and on most of your data. > Until someone comes on with a non-ASCII character in their name, and > causes your code to throw an exception. You probably weren't expecting > it, it might not even be your library. Unicode works implicitly often > enough that Unicode can sneak in well before you realise your code isn't > robust enough to handle it. > > This talk will cover the essentials of Unicode and how it affects things > like regular expressions. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Melbourne-pm mailing list > Melbourne-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pm -- .signature From alfiej at opera.com Tue Jan 24 12:54:10 2012 From: alfiej at opera.com (Alfie John) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 07:54:10 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Melbourne Perl Mongers meeting for Wednesday the 8th of February Message-ID: <1327438450.27566.140661027540045@webmail.messagingengine.com> Hello Perl Mongers, This month the Melbourne Perl Mongers meeting will be on Wednesday the 8th of February. So far we have the following talks: - Sub::Sampling and Sub::Space by Brad Bowman - Don't hate Unicode by Jacinta Richardson If you would also like give a talk, let us know. Also, if anybody is wanting to hear a talk about some cool new module or how to do certain things in Perl, speak up because somebody else might be wanting to give a talk on the subject but didn't think there was any interest. The meeting will start around 6:30pm at: Strategic Data 51-55 Johnston Street Fitzroy VIC Alfie -- Alfie John alfiej at opera.com