From jarich at perltraining.com.au  Sun Aug  5 22:59:40 2012
From: jarich at perltraining.com.au (Jacinta)
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 15:59:40 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] OSDC Call for papers closes on Wednesday! (8th
	August)
Message-ID: <501F5D4C.7070902@perltraining.com.au>

G'day folk,

Just a reminder that the OSDC CFP is still marked to close on Wednesday, 
8th August.  I hope you've got your proposals in.


Had publicity happened correctly, you might have got the following 
message about 2 months ago.  But either way, it's time to submit!

	J

----------------------
Hi

This year's OSDC organising team in Sydney is pleased to announce that 
the call for papers for OSDC 2012 has officially opened, and we would 
like to invite you to submit an abstract for a talk at Australia's 
premier Open Source  annual conference.

OSDC is a grass-roots style conference by developers for developers. If 
you're developing something that's Open Source, or you are using Open 
Source tools within your business, this conference is for you.

The Call for Papers can be found at:
    http://www.osdc.com.au/call-for-papers
    CfP closes 8 August, 2012

This year, for four days starting December 4th, the Open Source 
Developers Conference is taking place in Sydney at the University of 
Technology, Broadway Campus. December 5th-8th is the main conference, 
and as is tradition with OSDC there will be a dinner event for all 
attendees (Thursday evening, December 6th).

December 4th will be a CMS Expo day, noting the importance of Content 
Management Systems in the current web environment. The day will be based 
around skill sharing tutorials, case studies and talks from contributors 
in Open Source CMS projects.

If you have any questions please do not hesitate to contact us
info (at) osdc (dot) com (dot) au http://www.osdc.com.au/

On behalf of the OSDC 2012 Sydney organising team,
AimeeMaree Forsstrom

From scottp at dd.com.au  Mon Aug  6 14:34:32 2012
From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 07:34:32 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Fwd: [OSDC:Announce] Call for Papers extended to
	August 16th for the Open Source Developers' Conference (OSDC)
	2012 in Sydney
References: <501FBFAE.3020405@dechrai.com>
Message-ID: <740D60FA-B2EF-4E52-9A00-8F3B48C06AB2@dd.com.au>

Looks like we have a little extension.

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Ben Dechrai <ben at dechrai.com>
> Subject: [OSDC:Announce] Call for Papers extended to August 16th for the Open Source Developers' Conference (OSDC) 2012 in Sydney
> Date: 6 August 2012 10:59:26 PM AEST
> To: announce at osdc.com.au
> Reply-To: announce at osdc.com.au
> 
> OSDC 2012 : Call for Papers deadline extended to 16th August, 2012
> 
> Being held in Sydney again, OSDC is a grass-roots style conference run
> by developers, for developers. If you're developing something that's
> Open Source, or you are using Open Source tools within your business, we
> invite you to submit an abstract for a talk at Australia's premier Open
> Source annual conference.
> 
> We're still seeking proposals, and we've just extended the deadline to
> the 16th August. The Call for Papers can be found at
>  http://www.osdc.com.au/call-for-papers
> 
> This year, for four days starting December 4th, the Open Source
> Developers Conference is taking place in Sydney at the University of
> Technology, Broadway Campus. December 5th-8th is the main conference,
> and as is tradition with OSDC there will be a dinner event for all
> attendees (Thursday evening, December 6th).
> 
> December 4th will be a CMS Expo day, noting the importance of Content
> Management Systems in the current web environment. The day will be based
> around skill sharing tutorials, case studies and talks from contributors
> in Open Source CMS projects.
> 
> If you have any questions please do not hesitate to contact us
> info (at) osdc (dot) com (dot) au http://www.osdc.com.au/
> 
> The OSDC 2012 Sydney organising team
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From alfiej at opera.com  Mon Aug  6 15:13:37 2012
From: alfiej at opera.com (Alfie John)
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 13:13:37 -0900
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Reminder: Meeting - Wednesday the 8th of August 2012
	[TOMORROW]
Message-ID: <1344291217.19140.140661111510149.1C872A05@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Hello Perl Mongers,

Just a friendly reminder that Melbourne Perl Mongers is tomorrow night
(Wednesday the 8th of August, 2012) and will start around 6:30pm:

  Opera Software
  Level 1, 91-97 William Street
  Melbourne CBD

Sam Watkins will be giving a talk on his flow-based programming system
'net2sh'.

Greg wants to raise discussion on flushing files to disk and using
browsers as a GUI.

If anyone else would like to present, feel free to email the list
(there's still time to put up your hand :).

Alfie

-- 
  Alfie John
  alfiej at opera.com

From alfiej at opera.com  Tue Aug  7 17:19:00 2012
From: alfiej at opera.com (Alfie John)
Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 15:19:00 -0900
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Reminder: Meeting - Wednesday the 8th of August 2012
	[TONIGHT]
Message-ID: <1344385140.25773.140661112031598.5DA75577@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Hello Perl Mongers,

Just a friendly reminder that Melbourne Perl Mongers is tonight
(Wednesday the 8th of August, 2012) and will start around 6:30pm:

  Opera Software
  Level 1, 91-97 William Street
  Melbourne CBD

Sam Watkins will be giving a talk on his flow-based programming system
'net2sh'.

Greg wants to raise discussion on flushing files to disk and using
browsers as a GUI.

If anyone else would like to present, feel free to email the list
(there's still time to put up your hand :).

Alfie

-- 
  Alfie John
  alfiej at opera.com

From greg.george at orica.com  Wed Aug  8 14:40:47 2012
From: greg.george at orica.com (greg.george at orica.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 07:40:47 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Perlweekly
Message-ID: <OF0F7AB6A9.FF95D50C-ONCA257A54.0076F64B-CA257A54.00771713@orica.com>

Hi All,

Here is the detail of the Perlweekly newsletter I mentioned to a few at 
last nights meeting

Regards,

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From:   Gabor Szabo <gabor at szabgab.com>
To:     perlweekly at perlweekly.com, 
Date:   06/08/2012 02:38 PM
Subject:        [Perlweekly] #54 - WebGUI, Dada Mail, Sqitch releases
Sent by:        perlweekly-bounces at perlweekly.com




Perl Weekly 
Issue #54 - August 6, 2012 - WebGUI, Dada Mail, Sqitch releases 
You can read the newsletter on the web, if you prefer. 
Hi, 
I don't have much to say this week. Let's see what other people wrote: 
Announcements
Announcing Galileo - A minimal but modern CMS 
I think there are lots of Content Management Systems written in Perl, but 
none of them are really well known. Now that Joel Berger has released his 
new CMS, I wonder if this can break into the world of high-profile CMSes? 
Does Joel want to invest the time and energy in the promotion part as 
well? Does he want to make a business around it? 
50% off O'Reilly Perl Ebooks 
I was not sure if I want to promote O'Reilly, after all the money spent on 
them might be money not spent on Perl Maven books. In the end, I think if 
you wanted to buy a Perl book from O'Reilly and you can buy it for half 
the price, then why not? Just note, it is only till August 9, 2012 
Articles
Investing in Infrastructure 
Some good reasons why a company should contribute back to the Perl 
ecosystem. Unfortunately, many think 'it will work without us' or feel 
entitled to all the free code regardless of their action. It seems - to me 
- the higher up someone on the management ladder - the shorter s/he can 
see ahead. 
Hash to string race 
Sebastien Willing has compared 9 ways of stringification (or serialization 
or marshalling). See his benchmarks. 
How to calculate the balance of bank accounts in a CSV file, using Perl? 
One of the readers of the Perl 5 Maven site sent me a CSV file with some 
bank account details, and a script parsing it. Badly. I took the 
opportunity and showed how to refactor the code step-by-step. I hope it 
will help some other people as well. 
Releases
WebGUI 7.10.25 released 
Dada Mail v5.2.0 Released 
Sqitch v0.80: Now With More You 
This isn't just theory any more, David E. Wheeler released a fairly usable 
version of the Sqitch, the simple database change management system. It 
was nice following along his posts during the development, and see the 
usable release of the product. Now comes the hard part. Getting the word 
out. You could help him in this even more. Try Sqitch and write about it, 
or share the link to the article. 
Testing
Elapsed Time in Test Output 
Sometimes it is useful to see how long each step in a test script took. 
Code
On writing a new Perl Debugger (Part 1 - Why?) 
Rocky Bernstein has started a new debugger for Perl. This the first part 
of an already 3-part long series of articles describing not only why he is 
building a new debugger, but also what can we expect to find in it. I 
think writing about the debugger as he is developing it can be one of the 
critical pieces, that can make the new debugger more popular than the 
previous ones. 
AnyEvent::Capture - Synchronous calls of async APIS 
Perils of Plugins 
Editors and IDEs
Perl Editor 
This is the second part of the Perl Maven Tutorial. It is fun to see how 
every time editors are mentioned, the number of comments jump. People 
really care about their editors. (Maybe I should write about indentation 
as well :). 
Grants
Interim Grant Report: Lists, Iterators, and Parcels 
After a very long period, finally Patrick Michaud provides a new report on 
his progress. 
Cooking Perl with Chef - Grant Report #4 
David Golden is back working full time on the grant. He also created a new 
web site for Perl and Chef and there is a mailing list for the DevOps 
using Perl. There is even a screencast for Cooking Perl with Chef. 
Polls
A Quick Update On The Catalyst Poll 
Surely more than 300 of the Perl Weekly readers have some opinion (good or 
bad) on Catalyst? John Napiorkowski is looking for both current users of 
Catalyst and people who have not used it yet or already left it for some 
other framework or even some other language. (Though I guess the last 
group won't read this newsletter anyway.) 
Perl 6
The finished game 
After a month of blogging, Carl Masak has finished the game. If you have 
been waiting it to be finished before you start reading, then it's your 
turn now! 
Niecza Perl 6 v20 released 
Is a value IN a given list of values? 
Introducing junctions and the any(), all(), none(), one() functions. 
Looping over a list of values one at a time, two at a time and more 
How can you get every 3 elements of an array? How can you merge two arrays 
together like a zip? Introducing the big Z operator! 
Weekly collections
MetaCPAN favourites weekly report 
Perl 5 Porters Weekly: July 23-July 29, 2012 
The message that finally 5.16.1 is unblocked and why there was no interest 
in adding more documentation to the core Perl. 
stackoverflow perl report 
Events
I usually list the next 3-4 events here. The list of all the events can be 
found on the web site. If your Perl event is not listed there, please let 
me know.
YAPC::EU 2012 
August 20-22, 2012, Frankfurt, Germany 
YAPC::Asia Tokyo 2012 
September 27-29, 2012, Tokyo, Japan 
Portuguese Perl workshop (PTPW) 
September 28, 2012, Braga, Portugal 
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From jarich at perltraining.com.au  Wed Aug  8 22:11:13 2012
From: jarich at perltraining.com.au (Jacinta)
Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 15:11:13 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] An urgent request for references (tender)
Message-ID: <50234671.4080800@perltraining.com.au>

G'day folk,

I've got a tender due by 5pm and amongst other things it wants a bunch 
of references to say how awesome Perl Training Australia is at teaching 
people.  It's way over the top and much too much paperwork, but it's 
probably a good thing for me to get done.

If we have trained you, or even better, you've arranged us to train your 
team, and you're willing to stand as a reference for how awesome a job 
we did, I'd really appreciate a private email saying I can use you as a 
reference.  I don't need testimonials, just

     company
     name
     position/title
     location
     phone
     email

I'm sorry about the broadcast, I'm just short of time to actually, 
politely solicit these references properly.

If you're reading this after 5pm, Thursday 9th August, then feel free to 
email me to say how awesome I am, but hopefully I got enough references 
some other way by then.

     Jacinta

From jarich at perltraining.com.au  Wed Aug  8 22:42:59 2012
From: jarich at perltraining.com.au (Jacinta)
Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 15:42:59 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] An urgent request for references (tender)
In-Reply-To: <50234671.4080800@perltraining.com.au>
References: <50234671.4080800@perltraining.com.au>
Message-ID: <50234DE3.1040209@perltraining.com.au>

Thank you so  much everyone, I now have my references.  You are all 
fabulous!

     J


From sam at nipl.net  Mon Aug 13 01:55:31 2012
From: sam at nipl.net (Sam Watkins)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 18:55:31 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] open pandora
Message-ID: <20120813085531.GF6199@opal.nipl.net>

(And yes, of course it comes with Perl installed.)

I'm total ignorant businessly, however here is my new Aussie shop
for selling Pandora and various extraneous arcana:

http://pandoria.org/shop.html

If you love Linux, like to play games, and have pockets,
you really *do* need one of these!

This is a sort-of-commerical or spammish email, but if it's any
consolation for a grumpy moderator, I doubt I'll make any money!

From alfiej at opera.com  Tue Aug 14 18:53:37 2012
From: alfiej at opera.com (Alfie John)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 11:53:37 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Future meetings
Message-ID: <1344995617.12750.140661114959897.2E365038@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Hi guys,

At the last meeting we talked about future talks (or lack thereof). A
couple of ideas passed for future meetings were:

  - Suggesting topics for other people to give talks on
  - Moving to a bi-monthly
  - Subject specific meetings (e.g. month dedicated to SDL, DBI,
  Catalyst etc)

Toby came up with another suggestion - meeting projects/group
tasks/tutorials e.g.:

  - Creating new modules
  - Installing Perlbrew
  - Building a game over several meetings

Any thoughts?

Alfie

-- 
  Alfie John
  alfiej at opera.com

From scottp at dd.com.au  Tue Aug 14 18:58:16 2012
From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 11:58:16 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Future meetings
In-Reply-To: <1344995617.12750.140661114959897.2E365038@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <1344995617.12750.140661114959897.2E365038@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <5754180F-9680-447E-8E8D-29FA1A4C3E96@dd.com.au>

One other. Every second month reinstate the OSDClub meetings - e.g. share a meeting each second moth with the other groups, like PHP, Python, etc. You could even add the connected hacker groups who do Beagle Bone and Raspberry Pi.

Scott

On 15/08/2012, at 11:53 AM, Alfie John <alfiej at opera.com> wrote:

> Hi guys,
> 
> At the last meeting we talked about future talks (or lack thereof). A
> couple of ideas passed for future meetings were:
> 
>  - Suggesting topics for other people to give talks on
>  - Moving to a bi-monthly
>  - Subject specific meetings (e.g. month dedicated to SDL, DBI,
>  Catalyst etc)
> 
> Toby came up with another suggestion - meeting projects/group
> tasks/tutorials e.g.:
> 
>  - Creating new modules
>  - Installing Perlbrew
>  - Building a game over several meetings
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Alfie
> 
> -- 
>  Alfie John
>  alfiej at opera.com
> _______________________________________________
> Melbourne-pm mailing list
> Melbourne-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pm


From alfiej at opera.com  Tue Aug 14 19:01:18 2012
From: alfiej at opera.com (Alfie John)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 12:01:18 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Future meetings
In-Reply-To: <5754180F-9680-447E-8E8D-29FA1A4C3E96@dd.com.au>
References: <1344995617.12750.140661114959897.2E365038@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<5754180F-9680-447E-8E8D-29FA1A4C3E96@dd.com.au>
Message-ID: <1344996078.14541.140661114962365.1F820711@webmail.messagingengine.com>

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 11:58 AM, Scott Penrose wrote:
> One other. Every second month reinstate the OSDClub meetings - e.g. share
> a meeting each second moth with the other groups, like PHP, Python, etc.
> You could even add the connected hacker groups who do Beagle Bone and
> Raspberry Pi.

+1

I'm not familiar with the other meetings so if anyone can chime in on
how active they are, that would be great.

Alfie

-- 
  Alfie John
  alfiej at opera.com

From greg.george at orica.com  Tue Aug 14 20:43:16 2012
From: greg.george at orica.com (greg.george at orica.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 13:43:16 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Future meetings
In-Reply-To: <1344995617.12750.140661114959897.2E365038@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <1344995617.12750.140661114959897.2E365038@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <OF068E5257.53064959-ONCA257A5B.00108CEF-CA257A5B.001470ED@orica.com>

Hi Guys,

Pick an internal command or module starting with the same letter of your 
name + the month and give a 5+ minute talk per person, managed by the 
convener.
I realise there may be some that are not comfortable with having to talk, 
or you might not always have time...

Regards,
Greg George  
IT Shared Services
Orica Australia Pty Ltd
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From:   Alfie John <alfiej at opera.com>
To:     melbourne-pm at pm.org, 
Date:   15/08/2012 11:53 AM
Subject:        [Melbourne-pm] Future meetings
Sent by:        "Melbourne-pm" 
<melbourne-pm-bounces+greg.george=orica.com at pm.org>



Hi guys,

At the last meeting we talked about future talks (or lack thereof). A
couple of ideas passed for future meetings were:

  - Suggesting topics for other people to give talks on
  - Moving to a bi-monthly
  - Subject specific meetings (e.g. month dedicated to SDL, DBI,
  Catalyst etc)

Toby came up with another suggestion - meeting projects/group
tasks/tutorials e.g.:

  - Creating new modules
  - Installing Perlbrew
  - Building a game over several meetings

Any thoughts?

Alfie

-- 
  Alfie John
  alfiej at opera.com
_______________________________________________
Melbourne-pm mailing list
Melbourne-pm at pm.org
http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pm

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From list at bereft.net  Tue Aug 14 21:45:02 2012
From: list at bereft.net (Brad Bowman)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:45:02 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Future meetings
In-Reply-To: <1344995617.12750.140661114959897.2E365038@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <1344995617.12750.140661114959897.2E365038@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <502B294E.5060103@bereft.net>

On 15/08/12 11:53, Alfie John wrote:
>
> At the last meeting we talked about future talks (or lack thereof). A
> couple of ideas passed for future meetings were:
[..]
> Any thoughts?

I'd like to hear and share perl development setup tips and tricks.

Perl + $EDITOR
Perl one-liners in your shell aliases
Demos of debugging or profiling
git and Perl development
Impact of local::lib, perlbrew and cpanminus on life

That kind of stuff can be very useful but tends to be shared
around slowly.  A forum format rather than proper talk might
get more people involved.

Brad


From alfiej at opera.com  Tue Aug 14 22:00:44 2012
From: alfiej at opera.com (Alfie John)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:00:44 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Future meetings
In-Reply-To: <OF068E5257.53064959-ONCA257A5B.00108CEF-CA257A5B.001470ED@orica.com>
References: <1344995617.12750.140661114959897.2E365038@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<OF068E5257.53064959-ONCA257A5B.00108CEF-CA257A5B.001470ED@orica.com>
Message-ID: <1345006844.4513.140661115007613.6F1CDD75@webmail.messagingengine.com>

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 01:43 PM, greg.george at orica.com wrote:
> Pick an internal command or module starting with the same letter of your 
> name + the month and give a 5+ minute talk per person, managed by the 
> convener.
> I realise there may be some that are not comfortable with having to talk, 
> or you might not always have time...

The problem with this idea is that it's talks for the sake of talks.
There are many CPAN modules out there that might see at all useful or
relevant. I think if we kept things to "things that people will find
useful*, then I think we're in good position.

Alfie

-- 
  Alfie John
  alfiej at opera.com

From toby.corkindale at strategicdata.com.au  Tue Aug 14 22:17:20 2012
From: toby.corkindale at strategicdata.com.au (Toby Corkindale)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:17:20 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] OSDC Call for papers closes on Wednesday! (8th
	August)
In-Reply-To: <501F5D4C.7070902@perltraining.com.au>
References: <501F5D4C.7070902@perltraining.com.au>
Message-ID: <502B30E0.5000307@strategicdata.com.au>

If you don't mind me asking the list..
Did anyone submit a Perl talk for this OSDC?

Just wondering if there's going to be much content of interest for me, 
or if I should check out some other conference this year instead.

Toby

On 06/08/12 15:59, Jacinta wrote:
> G'day folk,
>
> Just a reminder that the OSDC CFP is still marked to close on Wednesday,
> 8th August.  I hope you've got your proposals in.
>
>
> Had publicity happened correctly, you might have got the following
> message about 2 months ago.  But either way, it's time to submit!
>
>      J

From kim at hawtin.net.au  Wed Aug 15 00:03:03 2012
From: kim at hawtin.net.au (Kim Hawtin)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:33:03 +0930
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] open pandora
In-Reply-To: <20120813085531.GF6199@opal.nipl.net>
References: <20120813085531.GF6199@opal.nipl.net>
Message-ID: <502B49A7.5070909@hawtin.net.au>

On 13/08/12 18:25, Sam Watkins wrote:
> (And yes, of course it comes with Perl installed.)
>
> I'm total ignorant businessly, however here is my new Aussie shop
> for selling Pandora and various extraneous arcana:
>
> http://pandoria.org/shop.html

What is the time frame to delivery on one of these?
Considering the start up investors are still waiting their orders?

regards,

Kim

From jarich at perltraining.com.au  Wed Aug 15 00:04:14 2012
From: jarich at perltraining.com.au (Jacinta)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 17:04:14 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] OSDC Call for papers closes on Wednesday! (8th
 August)
In-Reply-To: <502B30E0.5000307@strategicdata.com.au>
References: <501F5D4C.7070902@perltraining.com.au>
	<502B30E0.5000307@strategicdata.com.au>
Message-ID: <502B49EE.9080706@perltraining.com.au>

On 15/08/12 15:17, Toby Corkindale wrote:
> If you don't mind me asking the list..
> Did anyone submit a Perl talk for this OSDC?
>
> Just wondering if there's going to be much content of interest for me, 
> or if I should check out some other conference this year instead.

I have, unsurprisingly.  Paul probably did too.

     J

From scottp at dd.com.au  Wed Aug 15 00:12:20 2012
From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 17:12:20 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] OSDC Call for papers closes on Wednesday! (8th
	August)
In-Reply-To: <502B49EE.9080706@perltraining.com.au>
References: <501F5D4C.7070902@perltraining.com.au>
	<502B30E0.5000307@strategicdata.com.au>
	<502B49EE.9080706@perltraining.com.au>
Message-ID: <3C51B4C6-A4D8-42AE-92D7-851F02F48DDE@dd.com.au>

And me

Scott

On 15/08/2012, at 5:04 PM, Jacinta <jarich at perltraining.com.au> wrote:

> On 15/08/12 15:17, Toby Corkindale wrote:
>> If you don't mind me asking the list..
>> Did anyone submit a Perl talk for this OSDC?
>> 
>> Just wondering if there's going to be much content of interest for me, or if I should check out some other conference this year instead.
> 
> I have, unsurprisingly.  Paul probably did too.
> 
>    J
> _______________________________________________
> Melbourne-pm mailing list
> Melbourne-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pm


From jarich at perltraining.com.au  Wed Aug 15 00:14:42 2012
From: jarich at perltraining.com.au (Jacinta)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 17:14:42 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] OSDC Call for papers closes on Wednesday! (8th
 August)
In-Reply-To: <3C51B4C6-A4D8-42AE-92D7-851F02F48DDE@dd.com.au>
References: <501F5D4C.7070902@perltraining.com.au>
	<502B30E0.5000307@strategicdata.com.au>
	<502B49EE.9080706@perltraining.com.au>
	<3C51B4C6-A4D8-42AE-92D7-851F02F48DDE@dd.com.au>
Message-ID: <502B4C62.3050807@perltraining.com.au>

On 15/08/12 17:12, Scott Penrose wrote:
> And me
>
> Scott
>

Scott, did you get "Thanks for submitting, this is what you submitted 
.... " email(s)?  I haven't, yet.  Paul thought he did, but if he did, 
he's lost them (which is unusual, Paul rarely deletes anything).

     J

From scottp at dd.com.au  Wed Aug 15 00:19:19 2012
From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 17:19:19 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] OSDC Call for papers closes on Wednesday! (8th
	August)
In-Reply-To: <502B4C62.3050807@perltraining.com.au>
References: <501F5D4C.7070902@perltraining.com.au>
	<502B30E0.5000307@strategicdata.com.au>
	<502B49EE.9080706@perltraining.com.au>
	<3C51B4C6-A4D8-42AE-92D7-851F02F48DDE@dd.com.au>
	<502B4C62.3050807@perltraining.com.au>
Message-ID: <7FF7741B-9D7E-486A-83E4-B5C42051E6C1@dd.com.au>

No I didn't. Just a thank you on the web site.

Scott

On 15/08/2012, at 5:14 PM, Jacinta <jarich at perltraining.com.au> wrote:

> On 15/08/12 17:12, Scott Penrose wrote:
>> And me
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
> 
> Scott, did you get "Thanks for submitting, this is what you submitted .... " email(s)?  I haven't, yet.  Paul thought he did, but if he did, he's lost them (which is unusual, Paul rarely deletes anything).
> 
>    J


From rob at eatenbyagrue.org  Wed Aug 15 01:05:20 2012
From: rob at eatenbyagrue.org (Robert Norris)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 10:05:20 +0200
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Future meetings
In-Reply-To: <1345006844.4513.140661115007613.6F1CDD75@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <1344995617.12750.140661114959897.2E365038@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<OF068E5257.53064959-ONCA257A5B.00108CEF-CA257A5B.001470ED@orica.com>
	<1345006844.4513.140661115007613.6F1CDD75@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <CANRWccS_dGDc5o3TURF_K5WRu6kc99FAD8AQyscinkV50iPqtA@mail.gmail.com>

> The problem with this idea is that it's talks for the sake of talks.
> There are many CPAN modules out there that might see at all useful or
> relevant. I think if we kept things to "things that people will find
> useful*, then I think we're in good position.

That said, a lot of the value of a talk comes from the discussion
afterwards. A five minute talk on a module I know nothing and care
nothing about will still be interesting because people were talk
afterwards about their experiences with similar code, similar
projects, unrelated things, all sorts of stuff. I might be the only
one, but I very much enjoy long meandering conversations that move
through multiple topics without reaching a conclusion because I learn
about so many things that I didn't know about before :)

I acknowledge that lack of structure may not be for everyone, but
maybe there's a middle ground?

We've started talking about Scala a couple of times, but never had
time to dig deeper. I actually think there's a lot of value in talking
about things that aren't Perl. You learn a lot from the contrast.

Anyway, thats my vague musings. I'd be happy to do lightning talks on
pretty much any topic, as long as you're happy for me not to be an
expert on any particular thing. I've got random bits of scripts and
half-baked project ideas and whatever that use all manner of Perl
modules and techniques, so I'm sure I can dig up something if
necessary.

Cheers,
Rob.

From toby.corkindale at strategicdata.com.au  Wed Aug 15 02:11:59 2012
From: toby.corkindale at strategicdata.com.au (Toby Corkindale)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 19:11:59 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Reflex
In-Reply-To: <d36160c2-c3f8-49a7-bfa0-54ca6ca0bb09@dmz03>
Message-ID: <91397568-f739-4f61-b8d7-8ff62e24e648@dmz03>

I wondered if anyone is using Reflex?

See: https://metacpan.org/release/Reflex
and for initial info, https://metacpan.org/module/Reflex::Doc

I like the look of it, but haven't tried it out myself.
Has anyone yet?

cheers,
Toby

From rob at eatenbyagrue.org  Wed Aug 15 05:09:50 2012
From: rob at eatenbyagrue.org (Robert Norris)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:09:50 +0200
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Reflex
In-Reply-To: <91397568-f739-4f61-b8d7-8ff62e24e648@dmz03>
References: <d36160c2-c3f8-49a7-bfa0-54ca6ca0bb09@dmz03>
	<91397568-f739-4f61-b8d7-8ff62e24e648@dmz03>
Message-ID: <CANRWccS_AEjeCda9BdHvWasnJyNqz3isZ3gvccQj8jp=VneoSQ@mail.gmail.com>

> I like the look of it, but haven't tried it out myself.
> Has anyone yet?

I hadn't heard of it. Looks interesting! The doc isn't especially good
at explaining what its all about though - I wouldn't mind a couple of
vaguely real-word examples. I'll have a bit more of a read soon.

From gcross at fastmail.fm  Wed Aug 15 05:30:53 2012
From: gcross at fastmail.fm (Graeme Cross)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 22:30:53 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Future meetings
In-Reply-To: <1344996078.14541.140661114962365.1F820711@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <1344995617.12750.140661114959897.2E365038@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<5754180F-9680-447E-8E8D-29FA1A4C3E96@dd.com.au>
	<1344996078.14541.140661114962365.1F820711@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <1345033853.32687.140661115135833.34069847@webmail.messagingengine.com>

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 12:01 PM, Alfie John wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 11:58 AM, Scott Penrose wrote:
> > One other. Every second month reinstate the OSDClub meetings - e.g. share
> > a meeting each second moth with the other groups, like PHP, Python, etc.
> > You could even add the connected hacker groups who do Beagle Bone and
> > Raspberry Pi.
> 
> +1
> 
> I'm not familiar with the other meetings so if anyone can chime in on
> how active they are, that would be great.
> 
> Alfie

I can only speak for the local Python group: it meets monthly, at
Inspire9 in Richmond, and typically attracts 20 - 30 people.

The wiki lists the various presentations that we have had, but the most
interesting parts are usually the informal conversations afterwards over
pizza and drinks:

http://wiki.python.org/moin/MelbournePUG/

Regards
Graeme

From tjc at wintrmute.net  Wed Aug 15 05:35:25 2012
From: tjc at wintrmute.net (Toby Wintermute)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 22:35:25 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Future meetings
In-Reply-To: <1345033853.32687.140661115135833.34069847@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <1344995617.12750.140661114959897.2E365038@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<5754180F-9680-447E-8E8D-29FA1A4C3E96@dd.com.au>
	<1344996078.14541.140661114962365.1F820711@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<1345033853.32687.140661115135833.34069847@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <CABEgq94Ca5GWjYLKqoqx-4BeEA3Dg5rC2T5wtFVg2UACv+-3jA@mail.gmail.com>

On 15 August 2012 22:30, Graeme Cross <gcross at fastmail.fm> wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 12:01 PM, Alfie John wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 11:58 AM, Scott Penrose wrote:
>> > One other. Every second month reinstate the OSDClub meetings - e.g. share
>> > a meeting each second moth with the other groups, like PHP, Python, etc.
>> > You could even add the connected hacker groups who do Beagle Bone and
>> > Raspberry Pi.
>>
>> +1
>>
>> I'm not familiar with the other meetings so if anyone can chime in on
>> how active they are, that would be great.

The Scala group meets monthly, and tends to get a a little over dozen
or so people. (I don't make it along every time, so my estimates are
pretty rough)

-- 
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer
Things fall apart; the center cannot hold
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world

From sam at nipl.net  Wed Aug 15 13:09:47 2012
From: sam at nipl.net (Sam Watkins)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 06:09:47 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] open pandora
In-Reply-To: <502B49A7.5070909@hawtin.net.au>
References: <20120813085531.GF6199@opal.nipl.net>
	<502B49A7.5070909@hawtin.net.au>
Message-ID: <20120815200947.GM6199@opal.nipl.net>

Kim Hawtin wrote:
> What is the time frame to delivery on one of these?
> Considering the start up investors are still waiting their orders?

hi Kim,

Thanks for your interest!

The original pre-orders paid a lower price.  Due various disasters and
running out of money at one stage, they have not been able to fill all
those orders yet.

They are giving some priority to current orders at the higher prices,
this helps to fund completing the low-price pre-orders, on which they
take a loss.  So you can order at the current prices, and get a pandora
fairly soon.  People who pre-ordered also have been given the option to
'upgrade', and get theirs sooner, or to get a refund.

They also have some real investment now.

I pre-ordered, waited, upgraded and it arrived within 10 days.  I bought
another one, and it also arrived pretty soon.  At the moment, people are
receiving the first hundred 1GHz Pandoras.  We hope there will be no
problem with cranking out more Pandoras now...  although in the past
there almost always have been various troubles!  It's going better now,
with the new investment, and production based in Germany.

I don't have any stock in Australia yet, you might have guessed...
I don't think I will be making profit with my Pandora shop for now.

If you like to buy or provide SD card/s, I can put some good software.

Regards,


Sam

From lindie.graham at pra.com.au  Wed Aug 15 18:28:45 2012
From: lindie.graham at pra.com.au (Lindie Graham)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 11:28:45 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Perl Developer role available
Message-ID: <E9436CBABA88914EA80C87482708F1D01026EE5BE4@BFAU-OPT-EXCMS1.bluefire.bfms.local>

Hi All,

I hope you don't mind me posting a job in this group.  I just figured there aren't too many Perl developer roles available at the moment, and this opportunity could be a life changer for someone in this group.  I've posted the details of this role below:

Our client is a well known online brand who is currently developing cutting edge Perl code. This opportunity will give you a chance to work in a team with very smart architects, a very technical environment where you will be developing new stuff and working under a very easy going manager!  Sounds like the ideal job, right!?  That's because it is!  They are very busy and we need to recruit for another Perl developer to join the team based in the Eastern Suburbs of Melbourne, roughly 10 min by train from the CBD. This opportunity would be ideal for a mid level Perl Developer who loves coding and developing new things and will report to a very talented Perl Architect.

The following are a list of ideal skills required by our client:

-Perl Development experience (at least 5 years commercial)
-MySQL
-Apache
-Linux
-HTML/CSS
-Javascript frameworks (JQuery)

-Any experience building Redhat or Debian packages with some Sys Admin experience would be a major advantage
-nice to have (not required at all) - any experience with nginx and fastcgi

This is a permanent opportunity, and it's paying roughly $90K.

If you are interested to find out more about this opportunity, please send me your CV to  lindie.graham at pra.com.au<mailto:lindie.graham at pra.com.au> or call me for a chat at 0386373336.


Best regards,

Lindie Graham
Managing Consultant :: PRA

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From toby.corkindale at strategicdata.com.au  Wed Aug 15 18:34:22 2012
From: toby.corkindale at strategicdata.com.au (Toby Corkindale)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 11:34:22 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Perl Developer role available
In-Reply-To: <E9436CBABA88914EA80C87482708F1D01026EE5BE4@BFAU-OPT-EXCMS1.bluefire.bfms.local>
References: <E9436CBABA88914EA80C87482708F1D01026EE5BE4@BFAU-OPT-EXCMS1.bluefire.bfms.local>
Message-ID: <502C4E1E.5040804@strategicdata.com.au>

Hi Lindie,
you're welcome to post jobs here, and we do appreciate that you are 
keeping the Perl community in mind when recruiting.

The first question everyone asks is "Who is the company?", so it would 
be great if you can include that information in the future. We're just 
going to chat and share that info amongst ourselves anyway.

Cheers
Toby

On 16/08/12 11:28, Lindie Graham wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I hope you don?t mind me posting a job in this group. I just figured
> there aren?t too many Perl developer roles available at the moment, and
> this opportunity could be a life changer for someone in this group.
> I?ve posted the details of this role below:
>
> Our client is a well known online brand who is currently developing
> cutting edge Perl code. This opportunity will give you a chance to work
> in a team with very smart architects, a very technical environment where
> you will be developing new stuff and working under a very easy going
> manager! Sounds like the ideal job, right!?  That's because it is!  They
> are very busy and we need to recruit for another Perl developer to join
> the team based in the Eastern Suburbs of Melbourne, roughly 10 min by
> train from the CBD. This opportunity would be ideal for a mid level Perl
> Developer who loves coding and developing new things and will report to
> a very talented Perl Architect.
>
> The following are a list of ideal skills required by our client:
>
> -Perl Development experience (at least 5 years commercial)
>
> -MySQL
>
> -Apache
>
> -Linux
>
> -HTML/CSS
>
> -Javascript frameworks (JQuery)
>
> -Any experience building Redhat or Debian packages with some Sys Admin
> experience would be a major advantage
>
> -nice to have (not required at all) - any experience with nginx and fastcgi
>
> This is a permanent opportunity, and it?s paying roughly $90K.
>
> If you are interested to find out more about this opportunity, please
> send me your CV to lindie.graham at pra.com.au
> <mailto:lindie.graham at pra.com.au> or call me for a chat at 0386373336.
>
> Best regards,
>
> **
>
> *Lindie Graham*
>
> *Managing Consultant :: PRA*
>
> **
>
> Level 13, 356 Collins St, Melbourne VIC 3000**
>
> P 03 8637 3336 :: M 0450 077 326 :: www.pra.com.au <http://www.pra.com.au/>
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From slundie at westpac.com.au  Thu Aug 16 04:05:29 2012
From: slundie at westpac.com.au (Sam Lundie)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 21:05:29 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Hi I'll on a course and will be back on 20th Aug
Message-ID: <OF107D46BF.3755DA86-ONCA257A5C.003CED61-CA257A5C.003CED62@westpac.com.au>


I will be out of the office starting  16/08/2012 and will not return until
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From scottp at dd.com.au  Thu Aug 16 23:33:58 2012
From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 16:33:58 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Perl Linux
Message-ID: <7483872F-C372-44D5-B6BC-CD30B2039129@dd.com.au>

http://perllinux.sourceforge.net/

Hmmm....

Scott

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From Martin.G.Ryan at team.telstra.com  Thu Aug 16 23:43:30 2012
From: Martin.G.Ryan at team.telstra.com (Ryan, Martin G)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 16:43:30 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Perl Linux
In-Reply-To: <7483872F-C372-44D5-B6BC-CD30B2039129@dd.com.au>
References: <7483872F-C372-44D5-B6BC-CD30B2039129@dd.com.au>
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> http://perllinux.sourceforge.net/
> 
> Hmmm....
> 
> Scott

I just don't get it... but that's becoming more frequent I've noticed.

From rob at eatenbyagrue.org  Fri Aug 17 00:55:51 2012
From: rob at eatenbyagrue.org (Robert Norris)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 09:55:51 +0200
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Perl Linux
In-Reply-To: <589EE331794E0B4DA62A9ADE89BCB4057FCF8BB59D@WSMSG3103V.srv.dir.telstra.com>
References: <7483872F-C372-44D5-B6BC-CD30B2039129@dd.com.au>
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I don't really get why you'd just reimplement everything, other than
the experience. I have thought it'd be interesting to have a Perlish
environment directly on top of the kernel, where the shell is actually
a REPL the whole system plays to Perl's strengths (whatever they may
be). But its a bit of a solution looking for a problem, and I have
better things to do :)

From sam at nipl.net  Fri Aug 17 05:57:22 2012
From: sam at nipl.net (Sam Watkins)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 22:57:22 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Perl Linux
In-Reply-To: <CANRWccRvv3kqZ3-DToOQXXdLALKHC35Y30d-Q43YCqHe1QstzQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7483872F-C372-44D5-B6BC-CD30B2039129@dd.com.au>
	<589EE331794E0B4DA62A9ADE89BCB4057FCF8BB59D@WSMSG3103V.srv.dir.telstra.com>
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Looks interesting, good to learn how to do that stuff in Perl.
Like all Perl code, it's 'true' open source: the source code is
necessarily there*.

I gather they don't use XS, other than modules that come with Perl?

Did they reimplement cc and make?  Those are essential tools;
We need to be able to build perllinux under perllinux.

I guess perllinux don't come with an X server or GNOME yet :p

If they re-implement Linux proper in Perl, then I will get very worried.

Insanity is of course a well know symptom of Perl.
(but I was already insane before, so there)

Sam


* I like to do 'real' open source with C, too:

  http://sam.nipl.net/code/Xtools/xdark.c
  http://sam.nipl.net/code/c/mb.c

From andrewmcnnz at gmail.com  Fri Aug 17 06:03:04 2012
From: andrewmcnnz at gmail.com (Andrew McNaughton)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 23:03:04 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Perl Linux
In-Reply-To: <20120817125722.GD28792@opal.nipl.net>
References: <7483872F-C372-44D5-B6BC-CD30B2039129@dd.com.au>
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	<20120817125722.GD28792@opal.nipl.net>
Message-ID: <502E4108.4010508@mcnaughty.com>

On 17/08/12 22:57, Sam Watkins wrote:
> Looks interesting, good to learn how to do that stuff in Perl.
> Like all Perl code, it's 'true' open source: the source code is
> necessarily there*.
>
> I gather they don't use XS, other than modules that come with Perl?
>
> Did they reimplement cc and make?  Those are essential tools;
> We need to be able to build perllinux under perllinux.
>
> I guess perllinux don't come with an X server or GNOME yet :p
>
> If they re-implement Linux proper in Perl, then I will get very worried.

You'd be worried by this then. Not perl, but still seems worth pointing out.

http://bellard.org/jslinux/
http://bellard.org/jslinux/tech.html

Andrew

From toby.corkindale at strategicdata.com.au  Sun Aug 19 18:37:25 2012
From: toby.corkindale at strategicdata.com.au (Toby Corkindale)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 11:37:25 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Perl Linux
In-Reply-To: <20120817125722.GD28792@opal.nipl.net>
References: <7483872F-C372-44D5-B6BC-CD30B2039129@dd.com.au>
	<589EE331794E0B4DA62A9ADE89BCB4057FCF8BB59D@WSMSG3103V.srv.dir.telstra.com>
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	<20120817125722.GD28792@opal.nipl.net>
Message-ID: <503194D5.3010509@strategicdata.com.au>

On 17/08/12 22:57, Sam Watkins wrote:
> Looks interesting, good to learn how to do that stuff in Perl.
> Like all Perl code, it's 'true' open source: the source code is
> necessarily there*.
>
> I gather they don't use XS, other than modules that come with Perl?
>
> Did they reimplement cc and make?  Those are essential tools;
> We need to be able to build perllinux under perllinux.
>
> I guess perllinux don't come with an X server or GNOME yet :p
>
> If they re-implement Linux proper in Perl, then I will get very worried.



No-one has worked on it (perllinux) for years. Don't hold your breath 
for an X server :)

From sam at nipl.net  Sun Aug 19 21:02:13 2012
From: sam at nipl.net (Sam Watkins)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:02:13 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Future meetings
In-Reply-To: <1344995617.12750.140661114959897.2E365038@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <1344995617.12750.140661114959897.2E365038@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <20120820040213.GB21032@opal.nipl.net>

Everyone has something interesting to talk about,
but we're mostly lazy most of the time.
(Programmer's virtue and that.)

So, solicit talk ideas from everyone, everyone is required to come up
with 1 or 2 ideas for a talk that they could do, and 1 or 2 ideas for a
talk they'd like to hear.  Then conscript people at random to give a
talk.  They can choose from availabe topics, or come up with a new one.

Maybe the previous speaker can nominate the next speaker,
that would be a perk.

Speakers can swap if necessary, or agreeable to both parties.

Guaranteed to work.

From sam at nipl.net  Sun Aug 19 21:39:16 2012
From: sam at nipl.net (Sam Watkins)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:39:16 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Perl Linux
In-Reply-To: <502E4108.4010508@mcnaughty.com>
References: <7483872F-C372-44D5-B6BC-CD30B2039129@dd.com.au>
	<589EE331794E0B4DA62A9ADE89BCB4057FCF8BB59D@WSMSG3103V.srv.dir.telstra.com>
	<CANRWccRvv3kqZ3-DToOQXXdLALKHC35Y30d-Q43YCqHe1QstzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120817125722.GD28792@opal.nipl.net>
	<502E4108.4010508@mcnaughty.com>
Message-ID: <20120820043916.GE21032@opal.nipl.net>

> > If they re-implement Linux proper in Perl, then I will get very worried.
> 
> You'd be worried by this then. Not perl, but still seems worth pointing out.
> http://bellard.org/jslinux/

Fabrice Bellard is a super-hero hacker that's for sure.
I'm not worried though, that is a PC emulator not a re-write of Linux.

From rob at eatenbyagrue.org  Mon Aug 20 05:17:06 2012
From: rob at eatenbyagrue.org (Robert Norris)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:17:06 +0200
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Perl Linux
In-Reply-To: <503194D5.3010509@strategicdata.com.au>
References: <7483872F-C372-44D5-B6BC-CD30B2039129@dd.com.au>
	<589EE331794E0B4DA62A9ADE89BCB4057FCF8BB59D@WSMSG3103V.srv.dir.telstra.com>
	<CANRWccRvv3kqZ3-DToOQXXdLALKHC35Y30d-Q43YCqHe1QstzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120817125722.GD28792@opal.nipl.net>
	<503194D5.3010509@strategicdata.com.au>
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On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 3:37 AM, Toby Corkindale
<toby.corkindale at strategicdata.com.au> wrote:
> Don't hold your breath for an X server :)

No, but don't forget: http://perlwm.sourceforge.net/

From jarich at perltraining.com.au  Mon Aug 20 20:43:34 2012
From: jarich at perltraining.com.au (Jacinta)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:43:34 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] 15% discount on Programming Perl in Melbourne,
	September 17th - 21st
Message-ID: <503303E6.4080007@perltraining.com.au>

G'day folk,

I realise that most of you don't need to attend our training course, 
however if you have a colleague who might be interested, you'd be most 
welcome to pass this information on to them.

All the best,

     Jacinta

Perl Training Australia is proud to announce that we'll be running our 
very popular Programming Perl course in Melbourne on the 17th - 21st 
September.

*Book before 5pm, Friday 31st August (and mention Melbourne Perl 
Mongers) to pay only $2975 per person!  That's a $525 (15%) discount per 
person. *All prices are GST inclusive, offer only applies to new 
bookings on this course, this special does not combine with any existing 
specials.

Bookings can be made at http://perltraining.com.au/bookings/Melbourne.html

This course covers Perl's fundamentals to give an existing programmer 
sufficient knowledge of Perl to work on most projects.  It assumes 
features from up to Perl 5.16, but includes work-arounds for older 
versions.

The first half of this course will introduce the Perl programming 
language, discuss Perl's variable types, functions, operators, 
conditionals and subroutines. Once you grasp Perl's basics, the second 
half will build on that knowledge to cover I/O, complex data structures, 
file system interaction, modules, packages and objects.

You will learn:

  * how to write simple Perl scripts and run them from the command-line;
  * how to use Perl's inbuilt help system, perldoc;
  * how to use warnings and strict to catch common errors and enforce
    good programming style;
  * about Perl's three main data types and how (and when) to use them;
  * about Perl's most common operators and functions;
  * how to use Perl's conditional and looping constructs;
  * how to write and use subroutines;
  * about Perl's powerful regular expression capabilities and how to
    apply them to your problem;
  * how to create, dereference and use references to build complex data
    structures which allow multi-dimensional arrays and hashes.
  * how to write and use Perl modules and packages;
  * how to use Module::Starter to start your modules off on the right foot;
  * how to write tests;
  * how to use Perl objects;
  * how to interact with the file system to read and write files, and
    read directories;
  * how to pass commands to the system for execution and the pitfalls
    therein;

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From alfiej at opera.com  Tue Aug 21 15:54:29 2012
From: alfiej at opera.com (Alfie John)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 08:54:29 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Future meetings
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On Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 11:53 AM, Alfie John wrote:
> At the last meeting we talked about future talks (or lack thereof).

So what was the plan for September?

Does anyone have a talk they would like to give? If not, maybe we can
have a social night at a pub and we can all thrash out how future
meetings might look like?

Alfie

-- 
  Alfie John
  alfiej at opera.com

From Martin.G.Ryan at team.telstra.com  Tue Aug 21 16:35:22 2012
From: Martin.G.Ryan at team.telstra.com (Ryan, Martin G)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:35:22 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Future meetings
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> So what was the plan for September?

I don't have a talk but I do have a suggestion.

About a month or two ago, Scott brought a Raspberry Pi (among other hardware paraphernalia) for us all to gawk at and I think it was Toby who had started a perl module for it.

If you have a look around at the Raspberry Pi website (particularly here: http://www.raspberrypi.org/about), you can see that the aim is to get kids interested in being hobbyist programmers and  hardware hackers as they once were.  The Raspberry Pi has a magazine devoted to it called the MagPi (see themagpi.org) which has sections for learning a bit of unix CLI and administration, C programming, interfacing to some basic circuits and python programming for controlling the Pi's general purpose IO pins (GPIOs).

These things are selling like hot cakes and there's efforts underway to get them into schools and other education environments as soon as next year.

You know what I'm going to say, don't you?  If thousands of kids are going to get exposure to one of these, why don't we make an effort to get Perl in on the ground floor?  Or at least a passenger stepping on at the second or third floor?  The obvious thing is to approach the MagPi people (??) about a perl section in the magazine and to flesh out the module that Scott and Toby have already done 80% of.  ;-)

Even better would be to get parrot going on it and showcase some Perl6 examples - but I really have no idea what I'm talking about, now...

Feel free to tell me this is nuts or whatever - it just seems to me that it would be an interesting project that would deliver tangible benefits to the Perl community - and if we're scratching around for something to do anyway...

From toby.corkindale at strategicdata.com.au  Tue Aug 21 17:25:32 2012
From: toby.corkindale at strategicdata.com.au (Toby Corkindale)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:25:32 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Future meetings
In-Reply-To: <589EE331794E0B4DA62A9ADE89BCB4057FCFA4BFE6@WSMSG3103V.srv.dir.telstra.com>
References: <1344995617.12750.140661114959897.2E365038@webmail.messagingengine.com>
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Message-ID: <503426FC.4070700@strategicdata.com.au>

The code I & Scott had created was for the BeagleBone.
I demoed a Beagle running a small LCD screen and a bank of 
audio-controlled lasers at the meeting.

I still don't have a Raspberry Pi! The damn things sold out in 
milliseconds, and my order has either been lost or is still stuck in the 
queue! I've given up on ever actually receiving one :/

On 22/08/12 09:35, Ryan, Martin G wrote:
>
>> So what was the plan for September?
>
> I don't have a talk but I do have a suggestion.
>
> About a month or two ago, Scott brought a Raspberry Pi (among other hardware paraphernalia) for us all to gawk at and I think it was Toby who had started a perl module for it.
>
> If you have a look around at the Raspberry Pi website (particularly here: http://www.raspberrypi.org/about), you can see that the aim is to get kids interested in being hobbyist programmers and  hardware hackers as they once were.  The Raspberry Pi has a magazine devoted to it called the MagPi (see themagpi.org) which has sections for learning a bit of unix CLI and administration, C programming, interfacing to some basic circuits and python programming for controlling the Pi's general purpose IO pins (GPIOs).
>
> These things are selling like hot cakes and there's efforts underway to get them into schools and other education environments as soon as next year.
>
> You know what I'm going to say, don't you?  If thousands of kids are going to get exposure to one of these, why don't we make an effort to get Perl in on the ground floor?  Or at least a passenger stepping on at the second or third floor?  The obvious thing is to approach the MagPi people (??) about a perl section in the magazine and to flesh out the module that Scott and Toby have already done 80% of.  ;-)
>
> Even better would be to get parrot going on it and showcase some Perl6 examples - but I really have no idea what I'm talking about, now...
>
> Feel free to tell me this is nuts or whatever - it just seems to me that it would be an interesting project that would deliver tangible benefits to the Perl community - and if we're scratching around for something to do anyway...
> _______________________________________________
> Melbourne-pm mailing list
> Melbourne-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pm
>


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From mathew.blair.robertson at gmail.com  Thu Aug 23 15:27:07 2012
From: mathew.blair.robertson at gmail.com (Mathew Robertson)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:27:07 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Future meetings
In-Reply-To: <503426FC.4070700@strategicdata.com.au>
References: <1344995617.12750.140661114959897.2E365038@webmail.messagingengine.com>
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This months' Yow is on the same night - given it is discussing JavaScript,
one could argue that it fits in with the "discuss other topics" thing... we
could meet up afterwards for chats.
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From alfiej at opera.com  Thu Aug 23 15:38:18 2012
From: alfiej at opera.com (Alfie John)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:38:18 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Future meetings
In-Reply-To: <CABG5UsUv5xGcYt0DVMUjpm42A6DPUpCB+V+Cic0v-_+_kReh4w@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Aug 24, 2012, at 08:27 AM, Mathew Robertson wrote:
> This months' Yow is on the same night - given it is discussing
> JavaScript, one could argue that it fits in with the "discuss
> other topics" thing... we could meet up afterwards for chats.

Not just that... MelbJS (http://melbjs.com/) have their meetings on the
2nd Wednesday of every month!

Alfie

-- 
  Alfie John
  alfiej at opera.com

From rob at eatenbyagrue.org  Sun Aug 26 04:44:04 2012
From: rob at eatenbyagrue.org (Robert Norris)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 21:44:04 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] pm.org revamp
Message-ID: <CANRWccT-cdR00L3BxxzjHZt2hb_Gyya3p1Z1sW7CFCfgoMsX2w@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.pm.org/ just got a facelift. Maps 'n' shit.

From alfiej at opera.com  Tue Aug 28 20:40:30 2012
From: alfiej at opera.com (Alfie John)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 13:40:30 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Meeting - Wednesday the 12th of September 2012
Message-ID: <1346211630.30531.140661120876429.32C1AB1C@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Hello

Rob Norris is back from Oslo via YAPC::Europe (Frankfurt). While still
jet lagged, I've managed to convince him to give a talk for next month's
Perl Mongers. I don't have the details yet on what Rob will talk about,
but he'll give an update to the list soon.

The next Melbourne Perl Mongers meeting will be on Wednesday the 12th of
September, 2012 and will start around 6:30pm:

  Opera Software
  Level 1, 91-97 William Street
  Melbourne CBD

If anyone else would like to give a talk, feel free to email the list.

Alfie 

-- 
  Alfie John
  alfiej at opera.com

From rob at eatenbyagrue.org  Tue Aug 28 21:04:57 2012
From: rob at eatenbyagrue.org (Robert Norris)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 14:04:57 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Meeting - Wednesday the 12th of September 2012
In-Reply-To: <1346211630.30531.140661120876429.32C1AB1C@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <1346211630.30531.140661120876429.32C1AB1C@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <CANRWccQDYeBLNHzQJy3pE6yepXQn=AHT2NUNBTMScjZ84V8VVA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Alfie John <alfiej at opera.com> wrote:
> Rob Norris is back from Oslo via YAPC::Europe (Frankfurt). While still
> jet lagged, I've managed to convince him to give a talk for next month's
> Perl Mongers. I don't have the details yet on what Rob will talk about,
> but he'll give an update to the list soon.

I don't have details either! I've got a couple of weeks for
preparation though so there's a few things I could talk about. Let me
know what interests you, because I'd much rather talk about something
is interesting or relevant to you. Also I throw in a giant caveat here
that I'm not really an expert on anything, but hopefully it can be
enough to get some discussion going.

As mentioned, I went to YAPC::Europe. It was a blast, and if you ever
get the opportunity to go I encourage you to do it. Obviously I didn't
go to everything, but feel free to take a look at the schedule[1] and
if you find something there that you'd like to hear about I can give
it a try. Or I could just to be a bit of a general "what it was like"
thing.

A talk I've been thinking about is something to show how we manage our
servers here at Opera (or at least in the Mail Services group, which
is what the Melbourne office does). We use Perl heavily, and have some
rather unique stuff in place that makes it possible to perform complex
tasks across all servers in a matter of minutes. This talk would be
more sysadmin, with some Perl around the edges. I promise a good time
though :)

There's also some bits and pieces of Perl stuff that I've been playing
with lately that I could try to flesh out into a full talk:
 - writing a webapp with PSGI/Plack
 - 3D rendering engines
 - Enterprise SSO with SAML (and showing off XML::Spice, my XML
generation module)

And if you want to go completely non-Perl, I can talk about my game,
Pioneer Space Sim[2] and what its like to write C++ and Lua when
you're a Perl programmer at heart. There's also a related talk in
there about managing an open-source project with GitHub.

Or you can put up your own talk. Then you don't have to listen to me :)

Cheers,
Rob.

1. http://act.yapc.eu/ye2012/schedule
2. http://pioneerspacesim.net/

From brendon.oliver at gmail.com  Tue Aug 28 21:55:57 2012
From: brendon.oliver at gmail.com (Brendon Oliver)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 13:55:57 +0900
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Meeting - Wednesday the 12th of September 2012
In-Reply-To: <CANRWccQDYeBLNHzQJy3pE6yepXQn=AHT2NUNBTMScjZ84V8VVA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1346211630.30531.140661120876429.32C1AB1C@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<CANRWccQDYeBLNHzQJy3pE6yepXQn=AHT2NUNBTMScjZ84V8VVA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAeNFUtEE+h_DC8LVSPoQhvaPZ=uZ8xw-Ne4KdBn+Gurihw60w@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Robert Norris <rob at eatenbyagrue.org> wrote:
>
> As mentioned, I went to YAPC::Europe. It was a blast, and if you ever
> get the opportunity to go I encourage you to do it.

As a matter of fact, I'm hoping to do just this myself.  I'm
living/working in Yokohama at the moment and only a few weeks ago
discovered that YAPC::Asia is on in Tokyo at end of next month.  So
now have tickets in hand & looking forward to it!

cheers,

- Brendon

From scottp at dd.com.au  Wed Aug 29 19:18:45 2012
From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 12:18:45 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] OpenID, XRDS
Message-ID: <F611CB17-3B9C-46CF-B2F8-641435A8BD30@dd.com.au>

Hey Mongers.

Anyone experienced with OpenID and XRDS in the group?
In particular I have some questions on the method Google uses to add user identity to the request on the fly (ie. they use a single URL returning a XRDS with one common URL, that common URL then adds the identity as part of login and approve, instead of the other way, where each user has a separate URL).

Scott


From mathew.blair.robertson at gmail.com  Thu Aug 30 22:15:46 2012
From: mathew.blair.robertson at gmail.com (Mathew Robertson)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 15:15:46 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] $0 manipulation
Message-ID: <CABG5UsWAwKHBNFCHmSNDDxY0rpfAKR3YBT48Q-OaTuq8chshdw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi List,

I had a scenario recently where 'pod2usage' was failing (ref: Pod::Usage)
when used in conjunction with a GetOptions call -> the code went something
like this:

  my $man = 0;
  my $help = 0;
  my $cmd = "";
  GetOptions(
    'help|h|?' => \$help,
     man => \$man,
     "cmd=s" => \$cmd,
  ) or pod2usage(2);
  pod2usage(0) if $help;
  pod2usage(-exitstatus => 0, -verbose => 2) if $man;
  pod2usage(2) unless $cmd;

Now call "blah.pl  --help" and I get an error on the ...if $help line
number.

So drilling into it further, I identify that the problem is related to how
I am manipulating $0 to also show automatically my command line arguments,
and how Pod::Usage attempts to read from $0.  Thus depending on the order
in which you call pod2usage vs manipulate $0, you may or may not get an
error.

Some further reading of the perlvar doc says that manipulating $0 to status
information, is a normal thing....  Looking at FindBin, etc al also shows
that $0 is consulted (at call-time) for its current value.


I have posted previously some discussion on the use of $0 (eg: pidof
somescript.pl vs killall somescript.pl) -> where that discussion depended
on your point of view.


However, this one seems somewhat contradictory -> to my eyes, either $0
should contain a somewhat non-updatable pointer to the location of the
script, *or* you can update its value to show the current script-status,
but then cause your tools to break.  Obviously there are workarounds, such
as monkey patching FindBin, pos2usage, etc, but that gets somewhat
cumbersome.  And I dont recall there being a separate variable (other than
$0), which holds the path to the executing script.


So how do I update $0 to show script status, but also to have pod2usage,
FindBin, etc do the right thing?
I dont expect an easy answer to this... other than:
a) wont fix
b) use some variation of another variable ** to fix either the CPAN
modules, or script status.


** I vote $^0... I dont think it is being used, and it follows both the $0
= name and $^ = internal-var convention.

Thoughts?
Mathew
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From list at bereft.net  Thu Aug 30 23:10:56 2012
From: list at bereft.net (Brad Bowman)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 16:10:56 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] $0 manipulation
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On 31/08/12 15:15, Mathew Robertson wrote:
> So how do I update $0 to show script status, but also to have pod2usage,
> FindBin, etc do the right thing?
> I dont expect an easy answer to this... other than:
> a) wont fix
> b) use some variation of another variable ** to fix either the CPAN modules,
> or script status.
>
>
> ** I vote $^0... I dont think it is being used, and it follows both the $0 =
> name and $^ = internal-var convention.
 >
 > Thoughts?

There is a Sys::ProcTitle module on cpan that avoids $0, might suit


From mathew.blair.robertson at gmail.com  Thu Aug 30 23:23:50 2012
From: mathew.blair.robertson at gmail.com (Mathew Robertson)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 16:23:50 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] $0 manipulation
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> So how do I update $0 to show script status, but also to have pod2usage,
>> FindBin, etc do the right thing?
>> I dont expect an easy answer to this... other than:
>> a) wont fix
>> b) use some variation of another variable ** to fix either the CPAN
>> modules,
>> or script status.
>>
>>
>> ** I vote $^0... I dont think it is being used, and it follows both the
>> $0 =
>> name and $^ = internal-var convention.
>>
> >
> > Thoughts?
>
> There is a Sys::ProcTitle module on cpan that avoids $0, might suit
>

Hi Brad,

I am familiar with that module, see also Sys::Prtcl, which implements the
same function call (except that is does it via syscall.ph).   ACAIK, this
only sets the 16byte system proc entry.

Also worth mentioning, that the perldoc for 'perlvar $0' says that as of
V5.14, prctl() is already being called.

regards,
Mathew
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