From ben at benbalbo.com  Mon Mar  1 15:57:45 2010
From: ben at benbalbo.com (Ben Balbo)
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 10:57:45 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] OSDClub in April
Message-ID: <4B8C5479.8070509@benbalbo.com>

Hi Perl/PHP folks!

OSDClub in April is being hosted by phpMelb and we've begun looking for
presentations.

We currently have one possibility (which may have become confirmed by
now) with a talk on datascript (I'm presuming that's this one:
http://datascript.sourceforge.net/).

Are there any Perl Mongers who would like to give a programming language
agnostic talk? We've had a request from a phpMelber for a talk on
CouchDB, but no takers to present - if you know enough to talk for 30
minutes on this or another topic, please let me know ;)

Cheers!
BB

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From pjf at perltraining.com.au  Thu Mar  4 20:37:49 2010
From: pjf at perltraining.com.au (Paul Fenwick)
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 15:37:49 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Call for talks - Wed 10th March
Message-ID: <4B908A9D.5060109@perltraining.com.au>

G'day Everyone,

It's coming around to Melbourne Perl Mongers time again!  Our next meeting
is scheduled on Wednesday, 10th March.

If you've been doing something exciting in Perl, learnt about a new module,
technique, or story, then we're looking for speakers!  Talks of any length
are accepted, from short lightning talks to long presentations.  You'll be
admired by Perl programmers from all over Melbourne!

I'm also very pleased to say that realestate.com.au have agreed to host our
next meeting, with many thanks to Ken Eley for his assistance in this
regard.  I've even heard talk of free pizza!

Post your talk topics now, and I look forward to seeing you next Wednesday[1]!

	Paul

[1] Yes, I'll actually be in town!  ^_^

-- 
Paul Fenwick <pjf at perltraining.com.au> | http://perltraining.com.au/
Director of Training                   | Ph:  +61 3 9354 6001
Perl Training Australia                | Fax: +61 3 9354 2681

From scottp at dd.com.au  Fri Mar  5 02:12:50 2010
From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 21:12:50 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Bids open to run OSDC 2010 in Australia/New Zealand.
Message-ID: <F1F4C94E-9EAA-43F1-A657-2C574F9038E9@dd.com.au>

Bids open to run OSDC 2010 in Australia/New Zealand.

The Open Source Developers' Conference has been run successfully for the last 6
years, drawing bigger crowds every year.  For the first three of those years
(2004-2006) it ran in Melbourne before moving to Brisbane (2007) and Sydney
(2008) and again in Brisbane (2009). 

Each year it has had at least three full streams of content running
concurrently, catered tea breaks and lunches, a sit-down conference dinner
inclusive for all attendees, and free speaker entry. The regular attendee fee
should be (and remain) around AUD 300/person. Some years have also included one
or two days of tutorial content at extra cost.

The Open Source Developers' Conference provides an important opportunity for
developers of open source applications and developers who use open source tools
to share knowledge and teach each other about the changes and new ideas that
have come up in the last year or so.  Our core focus is on writing code, and
the tools that make that easier.

The Open Source Developers' Club exec are seeking applications from interested
parties to host the 2010 Open Source Developers' Conference.  Location should
be somewhere in the Australia / New Zealand region.  If you are interested, or 
know someone that is, please complete the application form at 

http://tinyurl.com/osdc2010-application before Friday 26th of March 2010. 
The submission email address is included at the top of the form.

We do have some model rules (http://www.osdcon.org/wiki/Model_Rules) and a lot
of ideas to share.  Having said that, the OSDClub Exec (which includes past
organisers) is willing to be as active or quiet as you need us to be.

Traditionally the conference has been run around the last week of November, if
you want to deviate a lot from these dates you will need to talk to us first.
You will need a group of 6-8 dedicated people who are able to give up an
average of 3 hours a week from the acceptance date through to the conference
itself.  You will be responsible for:

       - finding and booking the venue(s)
       - managing your finances (some seed capital available)
       - advertising your call for papers to as many open source
         programming groups you know (we're happy to share our list
         with you too)
       - creating the program (preferably ensuring that no one
         language or concept unduly dominates)
        - identifying, deciding upon and inviting keynote speakers
       - organising all the social events
        - organising the catering
       - seeking and arranging sponsorships
       - advertising the conference
       - finding volunteers and running an awesome conference

In return you will get:

       - help from us when asked
       - the satisfaction of arranging an awesome conference
       - fame for running the best OSDC yet
       - a chance to improve your profile in the open source world
       - kudos from the OSDC exec, speakers and attendees

As this is such a big undertaking, we want you to know that we'll support you
every step of the way.  Should you need more help, we're here to offer advice
or step in and do things if we can.  Although OSDC Inc isn't flush with cash,
there are funds to cover deposits (venues require this, generally) before the
money comes in.  If for unforeseen difficulties the conference makes a loss,
you won't be out of pocket; although we do ask that you keep us apprised of the
financial situation on a regular basis and warn us if there may be a problem.
Your base conference budget should be covered by attendee fees, sponsorships
are important but merely "extra" to your budget.

We look forward to seeing your application!

The Open Source Developers' Club Exec

    Alec Clews, Arjen Lentz, Ben Balbo, Isaac Sutcliffe, Richard Jones, 
    Scott Penrose, Stephen Thorne, Tristan Penman, Tony Smith


P.S. Please feel free to pass this on to other groups.


From alecclews at gmail.com  Mon Mar  8 04:02:10 2010
From: alecclews at gmail.com (Alec Clews)
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 23:02:10 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Fwd: [Osia-discuss] CSI for Linux straight from the
 ATO - get it qquick
Message-ID: <4B94E742.4090002@gmail.com>

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This may be of interest to Linux based businesses on the list

- -------- Original Message --------
Subject: [Osia-discuss] CSI for Linux straight from the ATO - get it qquick
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 19:46:15 +1100
From: Andrew Greig <pushin.linux at gmail.com>
To: osia-discuss at lists.osia.net.au, mlug-au at googlegroups.com,   Linux
Users of Victoria <luv-main at luv.asn.au>

Hi all,

As you know I still hold the Linux version of the ATO's ECI client.  A
java program to assist in the submission of BAS statements to the ATP
Electronically.  After I installed about a year  ago it immediately went
into upgrade and I held my breath.  No it didn't vaporise it as I
expected, Yes , it did perform an upgrade which still works well.

Chapter 2.  Now it is time for me to renew my digital certificates with
the ATO.  It seems I cannot do it with the CSI client built into the ECI
client.  I must now have  a separate CSI client.  So I wrote to the ATO
explaining that there used to be a CSI client for Linux, albeit buried
in the FAQ.  The FAQ have been updated and the link is no longer there,
and I asked the friendly people at the ATO where it was now.  Initially
I was given the run-around, the normal nonsense:

We don't support Linux, insignificant number of businesses, it is not
the same as access for the disabled, we do support Windows and Mac.
Will probably never support Linux.

On Friday morning last, (I have been away for the weekend) I received a
call from a friendly Tech from the ATO, who asked me if I had performed
the song and dance with the Mac version (a la Whirlpool), or whether I
had tried the Windows version under Wine, I answered "no" to both.  Then
he gave me this link to the CSI files for Linux:


http://pki.ato.gov.au/atocsiinstall/csiinstallfilesforlinux.zip

My advice to those on these lists who need to deal electronically with
the ATO is to grab this file as quick as you can, and to let other LUGs
know as quick as you can, because when the ECI client for Linux was
advertised on these lists, the file was pulled in 2 hours.  And we have
had nothing but lies and denial from the ATO from then(Aug 2005) until
now. Certainly there is a company in the USA which could not afford for
Linux to gain a toe-hold in Australian business, and they will be very
quick to tell the ATO to yank this file also.

Andrew Greig


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From sam at nipl.net  Tue Mar  9 15:27:42 2010
From: sam at nipl.net (Sam Watkins)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 23:27:42 +0000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Call for talks - Wed 10th March
In-Reply-To: <4B908A9D.5060109@perltraining.com.au>
References: <4B908A9D.5060109@perltraining.com.au>
Message-ID: <20100309232742.GB26048@nipl.net>

On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 03:37:49PM +1100, Paul Fenwick wrote:
> G'day Everyone,
> 
> It's coming around to Melbourne Perl Mongers time again!  Our next meeting
> is scheduled on Wednesday, 10th March.

hi Paul, PMs,

Any details about the meeting tonight - when and where is it?  I think some of
my mail was getting lost or something anyway if you can let me know, please
forward the message or whatever.  :)

thanks,

Sam

From dsk_gr at hotmail.com  Tue Mar  9 15:39:56 2010
From: dsk_gr at hotmail.com (Kostas Avlonitis)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 10:39:56 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Call for talks - Wed 10th March
In-Reply-To: <20100309232742.GB26048@nipl.net>
References: <4B908A9D.5060109@perltraining.com.au>
	<20100309232742.GB26048@nipl.net>
Message-ID: <4B96DC4C.3060403@hotmail.com>

Hey Sam,

Check out the Perl Mongers website.
I thought the same as you last night, i.e. where is the email with the 
details from the list, but then I checked http://melbourne.pm.org/

Quote:
Meetings are held on the second Wednesday of the month at 6:30pm.
realestate.com.au
1/678 Victoria Street
East Richmond

Cheers,

K.


On 10/03/2010 10:27 AM, Sam Watkins wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 03:37:49PM +1100, Paul Fenwick wrote:
>    
>> G'day Everyone,
>>
>> It's coming around to Melbourne Perl Mongers time again!  Our next meeting
>> is scheduled on Wednesday, 10th March.
>>      
> hi Paul, PMs,
>
> Any details about the meeting tonight - when and where is it?  I think some of
> my mail was getting lost or something anyway if you can let me know, please
> forward the message or whatever.  :)
>
> thanks,
>
> Sam
> _______________________________________________
> Melbourne-pm mailing list
> Melbourne-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pm
>
>
>    


From pjf at perltraining.com.au  Tue Mar  9 15:43:21 2010
From: pjf at perltraining.com.au (Paul Fenwick)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 10:43:21 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Melbourne Perl Mongers, TONIGHT, 6:30pm
Message-ID: <4B96DD19.40401@perltraining.com.au>

G'day Everyone,

Melbourne Perl Mongers is happening TONIGHT:

	6:30pm
	Realestate.com.au
	1/678 Victoria Street
	Richmond

	FREE PIZZA!

The 109 tram goes right past the door, and IKEA and Honeywell are nearby
landmarks.

Jacinta will be talking about modern Perl techniques, and I will be talking
on using cpanminus to install modules with a minimum of fuss!

See you there!

	Paul


-- 
Paul Fenwick <pjf at perltraining.com.au> | http://perltraining.com.au/
Director of Training                   | Ph:  +61 3 9354 6001
Perl Training Australia                | Fax: +61 3 9354 2681

From Martin.G.Ryan at team.telstra.com  Thu Mar 11 19:06:04 2010
From: Martin.G.Ryan at team.telstra.com (Ryan, Martin G)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:06:04 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Which CPAN module for a CLI appilcation?
In-Reply-To: <4B96DD19.40401@perltraining.com.au>
References: <4B96DD19.40401@perltraining.com.au>
Message-ID: <589EE331794E0B4DA62A9ADE89BCB4057CDDE5706D@WSMSG3103V.srv.dir.telstra.com>

 
Hello fellow mongers,

Can anyone comment on;

+ The module/dist/framework App::CLI
+ The module/dist/framework CLI::Application
+ The moudle/dist/framework MooseX::App::Cmd
+ Some other module/dist/framework that you find useful for writing small CLI apps?

Many thanks,

Martin


From daniel at rimspace.net  Fri Mar 12 00:13:02 2010
From: daniel at rimspace.net (Daniel Pittman)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 19:13:02 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Which CPAN module for a CLI appilcation?
In-Reply-To: <589EE331794E0B4DA62A9ADE89BCB4057CDDE5706D@WSMSG3103V.srv.dir.telstra.com>
	(Martin G. Ryan's message of "Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:06:04 +1100")
References: <4B96DD19.40401@perltraining.com.au>
	<589EE331794E0B4DA62A9ADE89BCB4057CDDE5706D@WSMSG3103V.srv.dir.telstra.com>
Message-ID: <87zl2eot4h.fsf@rimspace.net>

"Ryan, Martin G" <Martin.G.Ryan at team.telstra.com> writes:

> Can anyone comment on;
>
> + The module/dist/framework App::CLI

Looks nice enough, but less featured than App::Cmd.

> + The moudle/dist/framework MooseX::App::Cmd

This is App::Cmd, which I have used, with added Moose.  Next time I write a
tool that has multiple, independent command-line functions I will probably use
this.

For "just one function" CLI things, MooseX::Getopt and/or
MooseX::ConfigFromFile probably serve just as well.

> + The module/dist/framework CLI::Application

Looks cute, but it doesn't do Moose, and pretty much everything it does seems
to be achievable with a combination of MooseX::App::Cmd and MooseX::Plugin or
so.

> + Some other module/dist/framework that you find useful for writing small
>   CLI apps?

I used raw App::Cmd a while back, before Moose was about, and was very happy
with it.  If you don't want Moose I would probably recommend that.

        Daniel

-- 
? Daniel Pittman            ? daniel at rimspace.net            ? +61 401 155 707
               ? made with 100 percent post-consumer electrons

From sam at nipl.net  Wed Mar 17 20:27:43 2010
From: sam at nipl.net (Sam Watkins)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 03:27:43 +0000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] notes from meetings
Message-ID: <20100318032743.GC14090@nipl.net>

hi,

I usually take notes about the talks while listening at perl-mongers and other
meetings (only just starting going to perl-mongers actually).  I was thinking,
maybe it would be useful if I type up my notes and put them on the web, we
could have a sort of record of what happened and it would be good to show to
colleagues who didn't attend.  This month, I thought some really useful stuff
was covered.

We could do this via a wiki I guess so that people could fix what I write or
help with it e.g. if I'm away or asleep!  :)  and I could post summaries to the
list and possibly be a single point of nag to get speakers to publish their
slides.

What do you think?  Could we set this up on the perl mongers' site?  or I can
do it on my own website.  Would it discourage or encourage attendance?

Sam

From alecclews at gmail.com  Wed Mar 17 20:32:52 2010
From: alecclews at gmail.com (alecclews at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 03:32:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] notes from meetings
Message-ID: <22419517.1890.1268883174689.JavaMail.seven@ap6.p8.sca.7sys.net>

I would suggest using perl.net.au were we already have a Melbourne PM space 

Alec 

---- Sent from my 3 mobile

-original message-
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] notes from meetings
From: "Sam Watkins" <sam at nipl.net>
Date: 18/03/2010 14:28

hi,

I usually take notes about the talks while listening at perl-mongers and other
meetings (only just starting going to perl-mongers actually).  I was thinking,
maybe it would be useful if I type up my notes and put them on the web, we
could have a sort of record of what happened and it would be good to show to
colleagues who didn't attend.  This month, I thought some really useful stuff
was covered.

We could do this via a wiki I guess so that people could fix what I write or
help with it e.g. if I'm away or asleep!  :)  and I could post summaries to the
list and possibly be a single point of nag to get speakers to publish their
slides.

What do you think?  Could we set this up on the perl mongers' site?  or I can
do it on my own website.  Would it discourage or encourage attendance?

Sam
_______________________________________________
Melbourne-pm mailing list
Melbourne-pm at pm.org
http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pm

From alfiejohn at gmail.com  Wed Mar 17 20:33:29 2010
From: alfiejohn at gmail.com (Alfie John)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:33:29 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] notes from meetings
In-Reply-To: <20100318032743.GC14090@nipl.net>
References: <20100318032743.GC14090@nipl.net>
Message-ID: <bb79c8f31003172033n31f3c12auee6352d05708ea0d@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Sam,

On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Sam Watkins <sam at nipl.net> wrote:

> I usually take notes about the talks while listening at perl-mongers and
> other
> meetings (only just starting going to perl-mongers actually).  I was
> thinking,
> maybe it would be useful if I type up my notes and put them on the web, we
> could have a sort of record of what happened and it would be good to show
> to
> colleagues who didn't attend.  This month, I thought some really useful
> stuff
> was covered.
>

Sounds like a good idea.


> We could do this via a wiki I guess so that people could fix what I write
> or
> help with it e.g. if I'm away or asleep!  :)  and I could post summaries to
> the
> list and possibly be a single point of nag to get speakers to publish their
> slides.
>
> What do you think?  Could we set this up on the perl mongers' site?  or I
> can
> do it on my own website.  Would it discourage or encourage attendance?
>

I think the PerlNet Wiki would be the ideal place:

  http://perl.net.au/wiki/Main_Page

Alfie


>
> Sam
> _______________________________________________
> Melbourne-pm mailing list
> Melbourne-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pm
>
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From dsk_gr at hotmail.com  Wed Mar 17 20:58:55 2010
From: dsk_gr at hotmail.com (Kostas Avlonitis)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:58:55 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] notes from meetings
In-Reply-To: <20100318032743.GC14090@nipl.net>
References: <20100318032743.GC14090@nipl.net>
Message-ID: <4BA1A4FF.1060502@hotmail.com>

Hey Sam,

Sounds good to me - and I don't think it will hurt attendance at all.
I'd venture a guess that a large percentage of the motivation for going 
to the meetings is social, rather than just content.

Also, it might help both future speakers and new attendees get a handle 
on what has been talked about before.

I second Alfie on the perl Wiki as the right place to put it.

Kostas

[ BTW It seems a similar thing was attempted before - if not quite as 
detailed as you're suggesting:
http://perl.net.au/wiki/Melbourne_Perl_Mongers/Meeting_History_2009 ]



On 18/03/2010 2:27 PM, Sam Watkins wrote:
> hi,
>
> I usually take notes about the talks while listening at perl-mongers and other
> meetings (only just starting going to perl-mongers actually).  I was thinking,
> maybe it would be useful if I type up my notes and put them on the web, we
> could have a sort of record of what happened and it would be good to show to
> colleagues who didn't attend.  This month, I thought some really useful stuff
> was covered.
>
> We could do this via a wiki I guess so that people could fix what I write or
> help with it e.g. if I'm away or asleep!  :)  and I could post summaries to the
> list and possibly be a single point of nag to get speakers to publish their
> slides.
>
> What do you think?  Could we set this up on the perl mongers' site?  or I can
> do it on my own website.  Would it discourage or encourage attendance?
>
> Sam
> _______________________________________________
> Melbourne-pm mailing list
> Melbourne-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pm
>
>
>    


From Martin.G.Ryan at team.telstra.com  Wed Mar 17 21:03:58 2010
From: Martin.G.Ryan at team.telstra.com (Ryan, Martin G)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 15:03:58 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] notes from meetings
In-Reply-To: <20100318032743.GC14090@nipl.net>
References: <20100318032743.GC14090@nipl.net>
Message-ID: <589EE331794E0B4DA62A9ADE89BCB4057CDE071906@WSMSG3103V.srv.dir.telstra.com>

Hi Sam, MPMers,

> I usually take notes about the talks while listening at perl-mongers and other
> meetings (only just starting going to perl-mongers actually).  I was thinking,
> maybe it would be useful if I type up my notes and put them on the web, we
> could have a sort of record of what happened and it would be good to show to
> colleagues who didn't attend.  This month, I thought some really useful stuff
> was covered.
>
>...
>
> What do you think?

Whatever the site or method decided upon, I just wanted to encourage what I think is an excellent idea.
As someone who can only get to PM inconsistently, to have notes of meetings I've missed to scan for gems would be great.  I'm already wondering what the "really useful stuff" from last week was!

Regards,
Martin

From sgc294 at internode.on.net  Wed Mar 17 22:08:53 2010
From: sgc294 at internode.on.net (Andrew Dent)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 16:08:53 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] notes from meetings
In-Reply-To: <589EE331794E0B4DA62A9ADE89BCB4057CDE071906@WSMSG3103V.srv.dir.telstra.com>
References: <20100318032743.GC14090@nipl.net>
	<589EE331794E0B4DA62A9ADE89BCB4057CDE071906@WSMSG3103V.srv.dir.telstra.com>
Message-ID: <4BA1B565.1070307@internode.on.net>

Module::Starter
local::lib
App::cpanminus

and the mention that Strawberry Perl Professional is currently in Beta.

the pizza, camel cookies, people and the location was also excellent.



Ryan, Martin G wrote:
> Hi Sam, MPMers,
>
>   
>> I usually take notes about the talks while listening at perl-mongers and other
>> meetings (only just starting going to perl-mongers actually).  I was thinking,
>> maybe it would be useful if I type up my notes and put them on the web, we
>> could have a sort of record of what happened and it would be good to show to
>> colleagues who didn't attend.  This month, I thought some really useful stuff
>> was covered.
>>
>> ...
>>
>> What do you think?
>>     
>
> Whatever the site or method decided upon, I just wanted to encourage what I think is an excellent idea.
> As someone who can only get to PM inconsistently, to have notes of meetings I've missed to scan for gems would be great.  I'm already wondering what the "really useful stuff" from last week was!
>
> Regards,
> Martin
> _______________________________________________
> Melbourne-pm mailing list
> Melbourne-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pm
>
>
>   


From dan at jumbuk.com  Thu Mar 18 01:38:37 2010
From: dan at jumbuk.com (Dan Tyrrell)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 04:38:37 -0400
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] notes from meetings
In-Reply-To: <20100318032743.GC14090@nipl.net>
References: <20100318032743.GC14090@nipl.net>
Message-ID: <b65fd34c1003180138r2461df33r26a6a8427b937b68@mail.gmail.com>

Sam,

It might be worth considering using some cool collaborative 'disruptive'
technology to capture the data - I have noted a rapid increase in the use of
Google Wave for collaborative talk/lecture notes in real time (albeit not
always successfully - but a lot of fun.)  Resultant text and images (now
including doodles!) could be posted to a wiki or whatever at end of the talk
- or just continue to exist as a public wave. (BTW - Would anyone like an
invite to Google Wave?)

Dan

On 17 March 2010 23:27, Sam Watkins <sam at nipl.net> wrote:

> hi,
>
> I usually take notes about the talks while listening at perl-mongers and
> other
> meetings (only just starting going to perl-mongers actually).  I was
> thinking,
> maybe it would be useful if I type up my notes and put them on the web, we
> could have a sort of record of what happened and it would be good to show
> to
> colleagues who didn't attend.  This month, I thought some really useful
> stuff
> was covered.
>
> We could do this via a wiki I guess so that people could fix what I write
> or
> help with it e.g. if I'm away or asleep!  :)  and I could post summaries to
> the
> list and possibly be a single point of nag to get speakers to publish their
> slides.
>
> What do you think?  Could we set this up on the perl mongers' site?  or I
> can
> do it on my own website.  Would it discourage or encourage attendance?
>
> Sam
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From myfwhite at gmail.com  Thu Mar 18 02:31:24 2010
From: myfwhite at gmail.com (Myf White)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 20:31:24 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] notes from meetings
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Hi perlmongers,

On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Sam Watkins <sam at nipl.net> wrote:

> What do you think?  Could we set this up on the perl mongers' site?  or I
> can
> do it on my own website.  Would it discourage or encourage attendance?
>

That sounds like a great idea. I doubt it would discourage attendance.

Another thing which would be great would be video-ing the talks. I came
across this the other day: http://www.presentingperl.org/. In fact it seems
from http://www.shadowcat.co.uk/blog/mark-keating/presentingperl/ that it
only just launched recently.There's some pretty cool stuff on there and I
urge you to check it out. It would be awesome if melbourne pm talks went on
there too. I am always so impressed with the quality of the melbourne pm
talks and I think I get a lot out of them.

I don't have a camcorder and am clueless about video formats etc, but I'd be
keen to find out about it and get in touch with the presentingperl people
if:

   - others are interested in pursuing the idea
   - and someone is able to help out with the hardware.



Myf White
mailto:myfwhite at gmail.com

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new
discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'" -- Isaac Asimov
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From sam at nipl.net  Mon Mar 22 23:19:31 2010
From: sam at nipl.net (Sam Watkins)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 06:19:31 +0000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] notes from meetings
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Ok, I added Andrew's description of the last meeting, here:

  http://perl.net.au/wiki/Melbourne_Perl_Mongers/Meeting_History_2010

I will add more description from my notes, but I left my notebook at home
today!

In other news, I subjected myself to some pains and agonies in order to create
a reasonably usable ordered, multiple-entries-with-the-same-key tied hash for
perl (like an LDAP record).  I can't remember why I decided not to use
libtie-dxhash-perl, I had some complaint about it when I looked at it before.

Anyway, mine is working okay.  It's about 10 times slower than a normal perl
hash though, and it's an ugly hack.  I intend to build something relational on
top of it, if I can be bothered.

Sam

From jarich at perltraining.com.au  Sun Mar 28 15:48:52 2010
From: jarich at perltraining.com.au (Jacinta Richardson)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 09:48:52 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] New course: Enterprise Perl to launch in May 2010
Message-ID: <4BAFDCD4.6030608@perltraining.com.au>

G'day folk,

As I have mentioned to some of you over the last few weeks, Perl Training
Australia is working on a new course, which we are launching in May this year.
It's called Enterprise Perl, and it exists to teach people who already know all
the Perl basics, the things they might have missed out on learning about if they
haven't been paying close attention to all the new shiny things that have
arrived in Perl over the last few years. I hope to see a few of you on the course.

Questions, and recommendations for technologies we might not have noticed are
very much welcome!

	J

New course: Enterprise Perl
===========================

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-------------------

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---------------

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==============

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