From scottp at dd.com.au  Wed May  3 17:09:37 2006
From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 10:09:37 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Fwd: O'Reilly UG Program News: DSUG Discount Changes
References: <LYRIS-6085629-30341-2006.05.03-12.16.35--scottp#dd.com.au@newsletter.oreilly.com>
Message-ID: <EEEB502A-AB92-479A-ABCD-B96A70206F50@dd.com.au>

Just FYI, the O'Reilly discount has been increased for club members.

Scott

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From scottp at dd.com.au  Wed May  3 22:59:44 2006
From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 15:59:44 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Gallery help
Message-ID: <8A3768F3-CAE7-4729-B338-A2F03B91B797@dd.com.au>

Hey Guys

Gallery is now progressing nicely. I have a Simple interface, part of  
a Flickr interface, lots of test cases and working on a new Local  
interface (my own variety of Simple, but with permanent thumbnail  
store, better searching etc).

I am looking for some volunteers that would be interested in looking  
at the interface (API) and code etc.

The trick is that I might be building something too complicated to  
use - it should be simple but you never know until you try it - it is  
easy to fog up your own view of the world you are building :-)

Anyone interested in taking a look?

Scooter
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From daniel at rimspace.net  Wed May  3 23:01:55 2006
From: daniel at rimspace.net (Daniel Pittman)
Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 16:01:55 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Gallery help
In-Reply-To: <8A3768F3-CAE7-4729-B338-A2F03B91B797@dd.com.au> (Scott Penrose's
	message of "Thu, 4 May 2006 15:59:44 +1000")
References: <8A3768F3-CAE7-4729-B338-A2F03B91B797@dd.com.au>
Message-ID: <873bfqs4z0.fsf@rimspace.net>

G'day Scott.

> Gallery is now progressing nicely. I have a Simple interface, part of
> a Flickr interface, lots of test cases and working on a new Local
> interface (my own variety of Simple, but with permanent thumbnail
> store, better searching etc).
>
> I am looking for some volunteers that would be interested in looking
> at the interface (API) and code etc.
>
> The trick is that I might be building something too complicated to use
> - it should be simple but you never know until you try it - it is  easy
> to fog up your own view of the world you are building :-)

I would be interested in taking a look at the code, with a view to using
it in a small image gallery project of my own.

	Daniel
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Phone: 0401 155 707	   email: contact at digital-infrastructure.com.au
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From ts at meme.com.au  Thu May  4 00:53:23 2006
From: ts at meme.com.au (Tony Smith)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 17:53:23 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Gallery help
In-Reply-To: <873bfqs4z0.fsf@rimspace.net>
References: <8A3768F3-CAE7-4729-B338-A2F03B91B797@dd.com.au>
	<873bfqs4z0.fsf@rimspace.net>
Message-ID: <7170898b839129f8103a9225e30499ca@meme.com.au>

On 04/05/2006, at 4:01 PM, Daniel Pittman wrote:

> G'day Scott.
>
>> Gallery is now progressing nicely. I have a Simple interface, part of
>> a Flickr interface, lots of test cases and working on a new Local
>> interface (my own variety of Simple, but with permanent thumbnail
>> store, better searching etc).
>>
>> I am looking for some volunteers that would be interested in looking
>> at the interface (API) and code etc.
>>
>> The trick is that I might be building something too complicated to use
>> - it should be simple but you never know until you try it - it is  
>> easy
>> to fog up your own view of the world you are building :-)
>
> I would be interested in taking a look at the code, with a view to 
> using
> it in a small image gallery project of my own.
>
> 	Daniel
> -- 
> Digital Infrastructure Solutions -- making IT simple, stable and secure
> Phone: 0401 155 707	   email: contact at digital-infrastructure.com.au

Me too!


Tony Smith
0405 499 718
TransForum Developer
http://www.transforum.net/


From scottp at dd.com.au  Thu May  4 05:27:15 2006
From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 22:27:15 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Class::Std vs Object::InsideOut
Message-ID: <185DC3E8-4547-4DEA-A5EF-70D846CF7F6D@dd.com.au>

Hey Guys

anyone had experience in the above two modules.

I absolutely love the whole structure and style of Class::Std. But it  
is not thread safe.

Object::InsideOut on the other hand is no where near as neat and  
obvious in construction but completely thread safe and faster !

Before I jump from one ship to another (because forking, mod_perl and  
other things incompatible with Class::Std are essential items) if  
anyone has any opinion.

I have of course scoured the internet, but it is also very useful to  
ask all you dudes too :-)

Scott
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From gerardaus at gmail.com  Thu May  4 10:47:19 2006
From: gerardaus at gmail.com (Gerard .)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 10:47:19 -0700
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Class::Std vs Object::InsideOut
In-Reply-To: <185DC3E8-4547-4DEA-A5EF-70D846CF7F6D@dd.com.au>
References: <185DC3E8-4547-4DEA-A5EF-70D846CF7F6D@dd.com.au>
Message-ID: <6f2691d10605041047m6b9cbd70w28336a577240b7a@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Scott,

I myself haven't used both of these extensively, but here are some points
made from a perl developer on the perl devel list here at work, who prefers
Object::InsideOut:

Object::InsideOut
- thread safety
- accessor naming
- storing the ID of the scalar in the scalar (performance savings)
- couple of tricky things though, you can inherit from non-InsideOut
cclasses, but that's done by storing a reference to the parent object(s),
which means you can't inherit from method-only ( i.e. mix-in) classes.  Easy
to work around, just suprising.

Hope that helps a little..

Gerard.


On 5/4/06, Scott Penrose <scottp at dd.com.au> wrote:
>
> Hey Guys
>
> anyone had experience in the above two modules.
>
> I absolutely love the whole structure and style of Class::Std. But it
> is not thread safe.
>
> Object::InsideOut on the other hand is no where near as neat and
> obvious in construction but completely thread safe and faster !
>
> Before I jump from one ship to another (because forking, mod_perl and
> other things incompatible with Class::Std are essential items) if
> anyone has any opinion.
>
> I have of course scoured the internet, but it is also very useful to
> ask all you dudes too :-)
>
> Scott
>
>
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From leif.eriksen at hpa.com.au  Thu May  4 17:21:56 2006
From: leif.eriksen at hpa.com.au (leif.eriksen at hpa.com.au)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 10:21:56 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Class::Std vs Object::InsideOut
Message-ID: <A50A7BED086A434798E06E70BB72F891B12900@exchange2k>

Can you answer the question "the lack of thread-safety in C::S breaks my
code here" ? If you cant, the lack of thread-safety isnt an issue -
YAGNI.

L

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From jarich at perltraining.com.au  Thu May  4 17:45:05 2006
From: jarich at perltraining.com.au (Jacinta Richardson)
Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 10:45:05 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Class::Std vs Object::InsideOut
In-Reply-To: <A50A7BED086A434798E06E70BB72F891B12900@exchange2k>
References: <A50A7BED086A434798E06E70BB72F891B12900@exchange2k>
Message-ID: <445AA011.4070206@perltraining.com.au>

leif.eriksen at hpa.com.au wrote:
> Can you answer the question "the lack of thread-safety in C::S breaks my
> code here" ? If you cant, the lack of thread-safety isnt an issue -
> YAGNI.

The lack of thread-safety in C::S breaks any code which attempts a fork under
Windows.  See the bonus slides in the below pdf for an explanation

	http://dagolden.com/files/whats_all_the_fuss.pdf

Some further details can be found here:

	http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=483162

	In particular:

	On a unix derived OS, fork is done using the system fork call, which
	creates a new process with memory allocated as "copy-on-write" .. that
	means that the same memory locations are used for variables until the
	value of the variable is changed ..  That seems to work just fine for
	inside-out objects -- as the reference is preserved ...

	On Win32, however, forking is faked using threads! (c.f. perlfork) So
	fork-safety on Win32 means getting thread-safety as well, which means
	that thread-safety for inside-out objects winds up being rather
	important, as unsuspecting users might wind up forking their way into
	threads without even realizing it and finding all their objects have
	lost their data.

A discussion of some of the issues with inside out objects in general can be
found here:

	http://www.perlmonks.org/?node=Anti-inside-out-object-ism

Having said all of this, I find the interfaces of both Class::Std and
Object::InsideOut to be well designed, and I imagine that using either would be
equally easy.  I can understand Scott's dilema though, because I expect that
*changing* over from one to the other would be quite a hassle - so if thread
safety could become an issue in the future; then using Class::Std now might not
be a good choice.

Finally, this is only really an issue due to the use of the ident method
(refaddr by a different name).  If Scott over-rode ident to use UUIDs instead,
then he could probably have both Class::Std and thread safety.

	J

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From jarich at perltraining.com.au  Thu May  4 17:48:08 2006
From: jarich at perltraining.com.au (Jacinta Richardson)
Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 10:48:08 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Class::Std vs Object::InsideOut
In-Reply-To: <6f2691d10605041047m6b9cbd70w28336a577240b7a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <185DC3E8-4547-4DEA-A5EF-70D846CF7F6D@dd.com.au>
	<6f2691d10605041047m6b9cbd70w28336a577240b7a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <445AA0C8.5000106@perltraining.com.au>

Gerard . wrote:

> Object::InsideOut

> - couple of tricky things though, you can inherit from non-InsideOut
> cclasses, but that's done by storing a reference to the parent
> object(s), which means you can't inherit from method-only ( i.e. mix-in)
> classes.  Easy to work around, just suprising.

On the other hand, you can't inherit from any non-Class::Std classes at all, as
far as I can tell.  Use of Class::Std seems to impose Class::Std on your entire
hierarchy (if you want parent constructors and deconstructors to be called).  On
the other hand, use of hash based objects tended to do the same thing.

Of course I could be mistaken, there are very few "can't"s in Perl.  ;)

All the best,

	J

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From leif.eriksen at hpa.com.au  Thu May  4 18:33:25 2006
From: leif.eriksen at hpa.com.au (leif.eriksen at hpa.com.au)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 11:33:25 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Class::Std vs Object::InsideOut
Message-ID: <A50A7BED086A434798E06E70BB72F891B12904@exchange2k>

 > On the other hand, use of hash based objects tended to do the same
thing.

If people insist on inheriting from you AND using your internals
directly instead of your API, then they deserve everything they get when
you change the model.

L
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From jarich at perltraining.com.au  Mon May  8 18:16:38 2006
From: jarich at perltraining.com.au (Jacinta Richardson)
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 11:16:38 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Meeting TOMORROW night!
Message-ID: <445FED76.3030709@perltraining.com.au>

G'day everyone!

This is a reminder that we've got a meeting on tomorrow night.  As it's also our
AGM I encourage you to try to make it in on time, so that you can have a say in
our new committee.  I expect there'll be more on this from our outgoing committee.

When: 	    6:30pm.  Wednesday 19th April, 2006
Where:      Level 8
	    myinternet house
	    14 Blackwood St
	    North Melbourne

Agenda:	    < 6:30pm  Come register as a financial MPM member ($10).
	    6:30pm - 7pm AGM:
		* Financial Report from the Treasurer
		* Election of new office bearers and ordinary committee members.

	    7pm - 2D Barcodes - Leif
		Covering layout, encodings, Reed Solomon, and some alternative
		technologies e.g. Aztec barcodes.  Features cool hardware.

If you'd like to give a talk tomorrow night, you're very welcome.

This meeting is open to everyone, although only financial members can be
committee members.  Please bring along any friends, family and work
mates who may be interested.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From scottp at dd.com.au  Mon May  8 21:35:36 2006
From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 14:35:36 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Talks for May meeting
In-Reply-To: <A50A7BED086A434798E06E70BB72F891B128B4@exchange2k>
References: <A50A7BED086A434798E06E70BB72F891B128B4@exchange2k>
Message-ID: <BF7AE753-8AEA-4069-A8A3-69B5060FD62B@dd.com.au>

Hey Leif

Are you still able to do your talk tomorrow on 2D barcodes ?

Also I believe Alec has not been able to come this week, anyone want  
to talk about any other code?

Scott
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From leif.eriksen at hpa.com.au  Mon May  8 21:42:38 2006
From: leif.eriksen at hpa.com.au (leif.eriksen at hpa.com.au)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 14:42:38 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Talks for May meeting
Message-ID: <A50A7BED086A434798E06E70BB72F891B12921@exchange2k>

 I am doing the presentation now !

L

-----Original Message-----
From: scottp at dd.com.au [mailto:scottp at dd.com.au] 
Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2006 2:36 PM
To: Leif Eriksen
Cc: jarich at perltraining.com.au; melbourne-pm at pm.org
Subject: Re: [Melbourne-pm] Talks for May meeting

Hey Leif

Are you still able to do your talk tomorrow on 2D barcodes ?

Also I believe Alec has not been able to come this week, anyone want to
talk about any other code?

Scott
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From jarich at perltraining.com.au  Mon May  8 22:42:54 2006
From: jarich at perltraining.com.au (Jacinta Richardson)
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 15:42:54 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Meeting TOMORROW night!
In-Reply-To: <445FED76.3030709@perltraining.com.au>
References: <445FED76.3030709@perltraining.com.au>
Message-ID: <44602BDE.80302@perltraining.com.au>

This didn't seem to go through the first time, so I'm hoping it'll get through now.

	J

Jacinta Richardson wrote:
> G'day everyone!
> 
> This is a reminder that we've got a meeting on tomorrow night.  As it's also our
> AGM I encourage you to try to make it in on time, so that you can have a say in
> our new committee.  I expect there'll be more on this from our outgoing committee.
> 
> When:	    6:30pm.  Wednesday 19th April, 2006
> Where:    Level 8
> 	    myinternet house
> 	    14 Blackwood St
> 	    North Melbourne
> 
> Agenda:   < 6:30pm  Come register as a financial MPM member ($10).
> 	    6:30pm - 7pm AGM:
> 		* Financial Report from the Treasurer
> 		* Election of new office bearers and ordinary committee members.
> 
> 	    7pm - 2D Barcodes - Leif
> 		Covering layout, encodings, Reed Solomon, and some alternative
> 		technologies e.g. Aztec barcodes.  Features cool hardware.
> 
> If you'd like to give a talk tomorrow night, you're very welcome.
> 
> This meeting is open to everyone, although only financial members can be
> committee members.  Please bring along any friends, family and work
> mates who may be interested.
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Next OSDClub meeting:                Wednesday 14th June
> 
> Next Melbourne Perl Mongers meeting: Wednesday 12th July
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 

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From scottp at dd.com.au  Tue May  9 00:44:24 2006
From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 17:44:24 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] MySQL User Group
Message-ID: <15DD69D5-DACA-468F-BCBE-A757392328EA@dd.com.au>

Some great news for those who have asked...

MySQL User Group in Melbourne is considering changing their time to  
the 3rd Wednesday of the Month instead of the 2nd (like MPM). That  
will allow a little less conflict of times and allow people to go to  
both if they would like.

Scott
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From blmarsh at gmail.com  Tue May  9 16:41:55 2006
From: blmarsh at gmail.com (Ben Marsh)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 09:41:55 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Meeting TOMORROW night!
In-Reply-To: <445FED76.3030709@perltraining.com.au>
References: <445FED76.3030709@perltraining.com.au>
Message-ID: <c34bb4da0605091641v466f4bdfo20e6b1b4f3d77e94@mail.gmail.com>

I am confused :-( Today is the 10th May I think

On 5/9/06, Jacinta Richardson <jarich at perltraining.com.au> wrote:
>
> G'day everyone!
>
> This is a reminder that we've got a meeting on tomorrow night.  As it's
> also our
> AGM I encourage you to try to make it in on time, so that you can have a
> say in
> our new committee.  I expect there'll be more on this from our outgoing
> committee.
>
> When:       6:30pm.  Wednesday 19th April, 2006


<snip>

Next Melbourne Perl Mongers meeting: Wednesday 12th July
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From jarich at perltraining.com.au  Tue May  9 17:06:37 2006
From: jarich at perltraining.com.au (Jacinta Richardson)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:06:37 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Meeting TOMORROW night!
In-Reply-To: <c34bb4da0605091641v466f4bdfo20e6b1b4f3d77e94@mail.gmail.com>
References: <445FED76.3030709@perltraining.com.au>
	<c34bb4da0605091641v466f4bdfo20e6b1b4f3d77e94@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44612E8D.2040803@perltraining.com.au>


Ben Marsh wrote:

>     When:       6:30pm.  Wednesday 19th April, 2006 

Oops.  I thought I fixed that.  Yes the meeting is on tonight, Wednesday 10th May.

	J

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From leif.eriksen at hpa.com.au  Tue May  9 17:14:40 2006
From: leif.eriksen at hpa.com.au (leif.eriksen at hpa.com.au)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:14:40 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Meeting TOMORROW night!
Message-ID: <A50A7BED086A434798E06E70BB72F891B1292A@exchange2k>

 

>-----Original Message-----
>	    7pm - 2D Barcodes - Leif
>		Covering layout, encodings, Reed Solomon, and some
alternative
>		technologies e.g. Aztec barcodes.  Features cool
hardware.

Sorry, they made me give back the cool hardware - the barcodes I
generate work, so I didn't need it for testing  anymore - and at $1300,
they weren't willing to just let me keep it.

It wasn't that cool, the lasers were _SO_ non-lethal, no matter how long
I pointed it at the cat....

And my wife was getting sick of me jumping out from behind doors,
screaming 
"Die Rebel Scum!!!"
and clicking maddly on the trigger of a barcode reader...

"Leif, your 42, will you give it up, there is no way the Imperial
Academy will accept your enrollment"

CU2nite

L
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From scottp at linux.dd.com.au  Tue May  9 17:51:55 2006
From: scottp at linux.dd.com.au (Scott Penrose)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 00:51:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Talks for May meeting
Message-ID: <4272108.4451147222315492.JavaMail.root@zimbra.dd.com.au>

Hey Leif,

Looks like MPM mail list has been down for 2 days sorry so mail has bounced on me and gone through late.

I did find an old email saying you were going to talk about it. Sorry it was an offer to talk rather than an actual one.

If there is time I am going to talk a little about Gallery.

Scott

----- leif eriksen <leif.eriksen at hpa.com.au> wrote:
> I am doing the presentation now !
> 
> L
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scottp at dd.com.au [mailto:scottp at dd.com.au] 
> Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2006 2:36 PM
> To: Leif Eriksen
> Cc: jarich at perltraining.com.au; melbourne-pm at pm.org
> Subject: Re: [Melbourne-pm] Talks for May meeting
> 
> Hey Leif
> 
> Are you still able to do your talk tomorrow on 2D barcodes ?
> 
> Also I believe Alec has not been able to come this week, anyone want
> to
> talk about any other code?
> 
> Scott
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From scottp at dd.com.au  Tue May  9 19:03:21 2006
From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 02:03:21 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Meeting TONIGHT - Wednesday
In-Reply-To: <445FED76.3030709@perltraining.com.au>
References: <445FED76.3030709@perltraining.com.au>
Message-ID: <41653.203.31.232.2.1147226601.squirrel@squirrel.dd.com.au>

An update to our talks tonight.

* 2D Barcodes - Leif
   Covering layout, encodings, Reed Solomon, and some alternative
   technologies e.g. Aztec barcodes.  Features cool hardware.

* Things people are searching for at perlmeme.org - Simon Taylor

   Simon Taylor will talk about the subtleties of the Perl for/foreach loop.

   The presentation will demonstrate documentation developed recently
   at perlmeme.org as part of an ongoing project to document the things
   that visitors to the site are most frequently searching for.

* Gallery API - Scott Penrose

   Scott will demonstrate the API being generated for the Gallery
   API on CPAN. The presentation will be to get some feedback on the
   strucutre of the API and purpose. If there is time he will also
   discuss the benfits of using Inside Out objects used in the structure.

Scott


From scottp at dd.com.au  Wed May 10 17:51:55 2006
From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 00:51:55 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] AGM 2006 and the new Committee
Message-ID: <19354.203.31.232.2.1147308715.squirrel@squirrel.dd.com.au>

The Melbourne Perl Mongers AGM was run last night, 10th of May 2006.

There was a small attendance of about 15 people.

I would like to thank the 2004/5 committee for their time and help moving
on with Melbourne Perl Mongers. Thanks to Simon, Gerry, Brad, Justin, Leif
and Stephen.

I would also like to thank the new committee members for 2006.

 * President:       Scott Penrose
 * Vice President:  Leif Eriksen
 * Secretary:       Paul Fenwick
 * Treasurer:       Ben Marsh
 * Ordinary Member: Jacinta Richardson
 * Ordinary Member: Simon Taylor
 * Ordinary Member: Alfie Johns

Please make them feel welcome and supported as our new committee. I am
confident that the next year is going to be a little more exciting and
interesting and thanks again to the new group.

Scott



From scottp at dd.com.au  Sun May 14 18:00:21 2006
From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 11:00:21 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Fwd: Now 3rd Wednesday - The Melbourne MySQL User
	Group
References: <99981.1147654114577.JavaMail.root@admin.meetup.com>
Message-ID: <DE35D855-EE50-42B4-88FA-E93BAC3285FE@dd.com.au>

FYI Guys

Scott

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Stewart Smith <info at meetup.com>
> Date: 15 May 2006 10:48:34 GMT+10:00
> To: scottp at dd.com.au
> Subject: Now 3rd Wednesday - The Melbourne MySQL User Group
> Reply-To: stewart at mysql.com
>
>
> Your Organizer, Stewart Smith, sent the following message to
> the members of The Melbourne MySQL User Group:
>
> Due to popular demand and to avoid clashes with Perl Mongers
> and OSDClub, we've moved the Melbourne MySQL User Group meeting
> to the 3rd Wednesday of the month. Starting from this
> Wednesday! Hope to see you there!
>
> For more details, see the full listing:
> http://mysql.meetup.com/93/events/4930442/
>
> If the change affects your plans to attend, please take a
> moment to update your RSVP. (You can RSVP 'No' or 'Yes'.)
>
> You can always get in touch with me through the 'Contact
> Organizer' feature on the Meetup.com website:
> http://mysql.meetup.com/93/suggestion/
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
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From scottp at dd.com.au  Mon May 15 07:42:29 2006
From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 00:42:29 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] GOTCHA !
Message-ID: <FFAADCA5-FFD7-498D-9F1C-CD10807741E4@dd.com.au>

I had trouble debugging this one...

in the middle of the code was this...


		if ($master) {
			process_master($client, $request);
		} else {
			process_client($client), $request;
		}

And I could not find out why client was not getting my request, when  
master was ! :-)

Scott
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From carolyn at bannoy.net  Wed May 17 19:40:46 2006
From: carolyn at bannoy.net (Carolyn Hicks)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 12:40:46 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Experienced Perl web developer needed
Message-ID: <446BDEAE.20903@bannoy.net>

Hi folks, just wanted to draw your attention to this:

http://jobs.perl.org/job/4026

Basically we're a small but expanding Carlton company and we need a Perl 
developer ASAP. We use mod_perl in a LAMP context to deliver a socially 
responsible online service. It's a great working environment with no end 
of interesting challenges. Please contact caburt at alphalink.com.au if 
you're interested.

cheers,
Carolyn

-- 
You have to consider that we're only made out of dust. That's admittedly not much to go on and we shouldn't forget that. But even considering, I mean it's a sort of bad beginning, we're not doing too bad. - Philip K. Dick


From jarich at perltraining.com.au  Sun May 28 21:58:31 2006
From: jarich at perltraining.com.au (Jacinta Richardson)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 14:58:31 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] OSDClub meeting - 14th June 2006
Message-ID: <447A7F77.3020608@perltraining.com.au>

We invite you to join us for the next OSDClub meeting:

	When:    6:30pm, Wednesday 14th June 2006
	Where:   myinternet, Level 8, 14 Blackwood St, North Melbourne

	More details: http://www.osdc.com.au/osdclub/
		
Please invite your friends, family and workmates to join us if you anticipate
they may be interested.  Our featured talks will be:

	MySQL Normalization & Optimisation Techniques by Ben Cornwell
	-------------------------------------------------------------

	The talk aims to provide a description of the database normalisation
	process. Using a series of simple, practical examples I aim to introduce
	Normal Form 1 through 4, and provide a few reasons why normalisation is
	an important and useful process. Finally I'll present a couple of
	scenarios where blindly following normalisation techniques can have a
	detrimental effect.


	Be a better consultant by Alec Clews
	------------------------------------

	This talk will outline simple approaches to make dealing with customers
	more productive and profitable. Topics include:

	    * The value proposition;
	    * Process;
	    * Deliverables;
	    * Work practices;
	    * other core issues.

	At the end of the talk, attendees should be able to examine their work
	habits and identify areas for improvement.


Talk Proposals
==============

We invite you to offer talk proposals for future meetings.  To be involved, send
your talk topic to clubadmin at osdc.com.au  Presentations can make use of a
particular programming language to illustrate examples, but should be accessible
to programmers from a range of backgrounds.


Next Meeting
============

The next OSDClub meeting should take place on the 4th August 2006.


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From jarich at perltraining.com.au  Sun May 28 22:30:43 2006
From: jarich at perltraining.com.au (Jacinta Richardson)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 15:30:43 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Open Source Developers' Conference 2006 - Call for
	papers
Message-ID: <447A8703.20101@perltraining.com.au>

       http://www.osdc.com.au/papers/cfp06.html

The Open Source Developers' Conference is an Australian conference
designed for developers, by developers. It covers numerous programming
languages across a range of operating systems.  We're seeking papers on
Open Source languages, technologies, projects and tools as well as topics
of interest to Open Source developers.

The conference will be held in Melbourne, Victoria (Monash University's
Caulfield Campus) from the 6th to the 8th of December, 2006.

Last year's conference had about 160 people and around 60 presentations on
a range of topics - see http://osdc2005.cgpublisher.com/proposals/ for a
list.  This list might also be useful if you're looking for ideas on what
sort of thing would be appropriate.

If you have any questions, or have never submitted a paper proposal
before, please read our FAQ page at http://www.osdc.com.au/faq/index.html
If you don't find an answer there, please contact richard at osdc.com.au

To submit a proposal, follow the instructions at
http://www.osdc.com.au/papers/cfp06.html

This year we're also going to run a day of tutorials. See the CFP
for more information.

The deadline for proposals is 12th July 2006.

Hope to see you there!

        The OSDC 2006 committee.


From scottp at dd.com.au  Tue May 30 15:38:01 2006
From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 08:38:01 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Fwd: UG News--Good. Fast. Cheap. O'Reilly Launches
	PDF Guides
References: <LYRIS-6190784-31129-2006.05.30-11.07.22--scottp#dd.com.au@newsletter.oreilly.com>
Message-ID: <4C6D2780-F65B-4AF3-BDDA-064EE4A77703@dd.com.au>

FYI - some news from O'Reilly.

Scott

> Good. Fast. Cheap. O'Reilly Launches PDF Guides
>
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> compromise in
> their pursuit of timely information--these PDFs provide the high- 
> quality
> content for which O'Reilly has come to be known.
>
> This month's PDF offerings are available now:
>
> "Build Tag Clouds in Perl and PHP" by Jim Bumgardner
> First popularized by the web sites Flickr, Technorati, and  
> del.icio.us,
> these amorphous clumps of words now appear on a slew of web sites as
> visual evidence of their membership in the elite corps of "Web  
> 2.0." This
> PDF analyzes what is and isn't a tag cloud, offers design tips for  
> using
> them effectively, and then shows how to collect tags and display  
> them in
> the tag cloud format. Scripts are provided in Perl and PHP.
> ISBN: 0-596-52794-2, 46 pages, $9.99 US, $12.99 CAN
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>
>
> "Web Services on Rails" by Kevin Marshall
> In recent years, web services have become increasingly useful to  
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From scottp at dd.com.au  Tue May 30 15:55:26 2006
From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 08:55:26 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Only 2 days left to buy the Perl eBook Bundle from
	Apress!
References: <OWA1EzHv4yETjvgD5KW000024ab@mail.apress.com>
Message-ID: <BBA507E9-069D-4595-9342-8B28C7969372@dd.com.au>

Cheap books :-)

Scott

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From pjf at perltraining.com.au  Tue May 30 18:43:52 2006
From: pjf at perltraining.com.au (Paul Fenwick)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 11:43:52 +1000
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Perl Security notes online
Message-ID: <447CF4D8.3040609@perltraining.com.au>

G'day Melb.PM,

== Perl Security ==

You've seen the talk.  You've played the game.  Now, read the book!

Some of you may recall that a few years back I ran a series of talks at Melb.PM
on Perl Security.  I'm very glad to say that the full and unabridged copy of the
Perl Security course notes are now available for download and personal use.

< http://perltraining.com.au/courses/perlsec.html > is the main course page, and
there's a link near the top that will allow you to download the notes.  More
than 100 pages of exciting Perl security, including crypto, privilege
management, race conditions, null-bytes, filesystem attacks, and more!

Batteries not included.

All the very best,

	Paul

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