From pjf at perltraining.com.au Mon Jul 5 20:43:33 2004 From: pjf at perltraining.com.au (Paul Fenwick) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:32:21 2004 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] What's new in Perl 5.8.5 Message-ID: <40EA03C5.8030107@perltraining.com.au> G'day everyone, Would anyone be interested if I did a sneak preview "What's new in Perl 5.8.5" as one of next week's talks? The reason this is a sneak preview is that 5.8.5 hasn't been released yet, but is based upon the 5.9.2 development branch. Cheers, Paul -- Paul Fenwick | http://perltraining.com.au/ Director of Training | Ph: +61 3 9354 6001 Perl Training Australia | Fax: +61 3 9354 2681 From jarich at perltraining.com.au Tue Jul 13 01:01:36 2004 From: jarich at perltraining.com.au (Jacinta Richardson) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:32:21 2004 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Meeting tomorrow night Message-ID: <40F37AC0.5070506@perltraining.com.au> G'day folk, This is just a reminder that there's a Perl Mongers meeting tomorrow night at 6:30pm. Usual location: My Internet House, Blackwood Street, North Melbourne. If you arrive late, call Scotty on his mobile and he'll be able to get someone to come down and let you in. It's probably best not to arrive late. Topics this week include: * Update on OSDC * Paul Fenwick: Sneak preview - What will be new in Perl 5.8.5 - What might be new in Perl 5.8.6 * Jacinta Richardson: Perl Security - The poison Null-byte If you'd like to add something, post it in. all the best, Jacinta -- ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ | Jacinta Richardson | `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) | Perl Training Australia | (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' | +61 3 9354 6001 | _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' | contact@perltraining.com.au | (il),-'' (li),' ((!.-' | www.perltraining.com.au | From pjf at perltraining.com.au Thu Jul 15 23:00:47 2004 From: pjf at perltraining.com.au (Paul Fenwick) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:32:21 2004 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Slides from last Melb.PM Message-ID: <40F752EF.1030102@perltraining.com.au> G'day everyone, Just a quick note, anyone who wants a copy of my "What's new in perl 5.8.5" slides can grab them at: http://perltraining.com.au/talks/ (OpenOffice and PDF formats available) Cheerio, Paul -- Paul Fenwick | http://perltraining.com.au/ Director of Training | Ph: +61 3 9354 6001 Perl Training Australia | Fax: +61 3 9354 2681 From tconnors+pmmelb at astro.swin.edu.au Thu Jul 15 23:44:08 2004 From: tconnors+pmmelb at astro.swin.edu.au (Tim Connors) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:32:21 2004 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Slides from last Melb.PM In-Reply-To: <40F752EF.1030102@perltraining.com.au> References: <40F752EF.1030102@perltraining.com.au> Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Paul Fenwick wrote: > G'day everyone, > > Just a quick note, anyone who wants a copy of my "What's new in perl > 5.8.5" slides can grab them at: > > http://perltraining.com.au/talks/ So, given that I have been to none yet (wednesday is a bad day for me): In the `use strict' talk: So how many people put up their hands in the respective "who do" and "who don't" questions? :) Bah to people who don't teach their students about why -w and `use strict' are Your Friend. -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ Obviously, "Mother Nature" disagrees with your assessment that money equates with success. I wonder who will win the argument? -- someone on /. From jarich at perltraining.com.au Fri Jul 16 00:33:18 2004 From: jarich at perltraining.com.au (Jacinta Richardson) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:32:21 2004 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Slides from last Melb.PM In-Reply-To: References: <40F752EF.1030102@perltraining.com.au> Message-ID: <40F7689E.7020301@perltraining.com.au> > So, given that I have been to none yet (wednesday is a bad day for me): :( Well, if Wednesday becomes better do drop in, our talks are usually lots of fun. :) > In the `use strict' talk: > > So how many people put up their hands in the respective "who do" and "who > don't" questions? :) We have very good Perl programmers in Melbourne PM so this question has lead to some people admitting that for one line perl -e solutions they don't use strict and other than than I think everyone says they do. Mind you, I'd had to be the single person who doesn't use strict in a room of decent Perl prgrammers. ;) > Bah to people who don't teach their students about why -w and `use strict' > are Your Friend. Most of it seems to be a problem when the person is self taught. None of the Perl documentation, the camel book or the llama book assume you'll be using strict. I don't know when merlyn mentions it but its not in the first chapter. The first Perl code examples in the camel doesn't use my... if people start by learning bad habits they'll continue. There are things you can do to avoid creating the errors that strict and warnings pick up. These things involve more effort but if you don't use strict and warnings then it's something you just learn to do. After that you're inclined to believe that there's nothing that strict and warnings can do to help you, because you already know how to identify and avoid those errors yourself. We teach with strict and warnings from the word go and still have students who see it as a lot of bother they shouldn't need... mostly those students who've learned a little Perl before. So bah, sure, but that's bahing at our book writers and the students themselves. All the best, Jacinta -- ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ | Jacinta Richardson | `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) | Perl Training Australia | (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' | +61 3 9354 6001 | _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' | contact@perltraining.com.au | (il),-'' (li),' ((!.-' | www.perltraining.com.au | From jarich at perltraining.com.au Fri Jul 16 00:39:11 2004 From: jarich at perltraining.com.au (Jacinta Richardson) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:32:21 2004 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Slides from last Melb.PM In-Reply-To: <40F7689E.7020301@perltraining.com.au> References: <40F752EF.1030102@perltraining.com.au> <40F7689E.7020301@perltraining.com.au> Message-ID: <40F769FF.5000405@perltraining.com.au> Jacinta Richardson wrote: > Mind you, I'd had to be the single person who doesn't use strict in a > room of decent Perl prgrammers. ;) Err. s/had/hate/ That gives the entirely wrong impression about me. ;) All the very best, Jacinta -- ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ | Jacinta Richardson | `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) | Perl Training Australia | (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' | +61 3 9354 6001 | _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' | contact@perltraining.com.au | (il),-'' (li),' ((!.-' | www.perltraining.com.au | From ajsavige at yahoo.com.au Fri Jul 16 04:32:23 2004 From: ajsavige at yahoo.com.au (=?iso-8859-1?q?Andrew=20Savige?=) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:32:21 2004 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Slides from last Melb.PM In-Reply-To: <40F7689E.7020301@perltraining.com.au> Message-ID: <20040716093223.12354.qmail@web50807.mail.yahoo.com> Jacinta Richardson wrote: > Mind you, I'd had to be the single person who doesn't use strict in a > room of decent Perl prgrammers. ;) So, The Damian wasn't there then? >From the Changes file for: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Perl6-Rules/ 0.02 Mon Apr 12 13:23:18 2004 - Updated requirement to 5.8.3 - Removed stupid 'use strict' ;-) /-\ Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! 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