From scottp at dd.com.au Tue Jul 9 02:17:23 2002 From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:37 2004 Subject: Perl Mongers on Wednesday - 10th of July - 6:30 pm Message-ID: Hey Ho, It is Perl Mongers Time again. Tomorrow nights topic is "Web Services" Agenda for tomorrow night so far is: - Web Services . An introduction . Which definition to use tonight :-) . XML-RPC, SOAP, NEST and more friendly acronyms. - SOAP::Lite - Scott Penrose . a simple client example - SOAP::Lite - Jeremy Howard . A server example used by FastMail - Agents - Daniel Walmsley . What is an Agent anyway? . The Agents Project - NON Presentation Talk - Committee ! - Scott Penrose . Do we want one (eg: to help with Advocacy) . How should we vote ? Where: myinternet House Level 8 14 Blackwood Street North Melbourne When: Wednesday 10th of July - 6:30 pm Doors open at 6pm. Doors closed at 6:45pm. Don't forget to tell all your friends and advocate this fantastic group :-) Scott -- Scott Penrose Open source developer http://linux.dd.com.au/ scottp@dd.com.au Dismaimer: Open sauce usually ends up never coming out (of the bottle). From jhoward at fastmail.fm Tue Jul 9 03:05:22 2002 From: jhoward at fastmail.fm (Jeremy Howard) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:37 2004 Subject: Perl Mongers on Wednesday - 10th of July - 6:30 pm References: Message-ID: <3D2A9942.80704@fastmail.fm> Scott Penrose wrote: > - SOAP::Lite - Jeremy Howard > . A server example used by FastMail Sorry--haven't made a start on this project yet, so I don't have anything interesting to say about SOAP::Lite. I can however show the old-fashioned approach of basic GET requests with simple XML responses, as used by FastCheck: http://www.fastcheck.org I can also introduce the basics of what SOAP is and where is fits in with UDDI, WSDL, etc. From jarich at perltraining.com.au Tue Jul 9 18:39:02 2002 From: jarich at perltraining.com.au (Jacinta Richardson) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:37 2004 Subject: Laugh. (PHP-HOWTO) Message-ID: Reading the PHP How-to (http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/PHP-HOWTO-1.html) I just had to share the following snippets with you: PHP is the next big thing after HTML because today nobody writes static HTML but uses PHP (generate on the fly, embedded dynamic HTML). PHP 'kind-of' supercedes "static HTML". PHP is a very powerful scripting language. PHP will overtake PERL/Python and will replace PERL/Python. PHP is the next-generation PERL/Python scripting. PHP can do whatever PERL or Python does and actually does much more, much better and much, much cleaner. [all in bold of course] PHP's strength are : * PHP is the most superior technology. Other technologies PERL, Python, Tcl, VB script, ASP are older and inferior technologies. Even Java/JSP is inferior to PHP. * General purpose scripting language much superior to PERL, VB script, ASP, JSP. Why PHP ? PHP is the best because of the following reasons: * PERL is "YUCKY" (distasteful) because it is hard to read and maintain the programs. Not object oriented. Forget PERL and goto PHP. PERL programmers like PHP! PHP is actually a "modern PERL", but with a different name called "PHP". * Java is object-oriented but is very SLOW. Java programs run very slow. Also Java is immensely complex and sophosticated technology (has many layers like JVM, JIT and others). And complexity and sophostication leads to problems. If there is Linux on server-side then why do you need Java in servers ? * Python is "good" but there are no C like brackets/braces which are useful for code navigation in vi editor. It is like your hand is broken if you cannot navigate rapidly the source code using vi/emacs editor's seek braces/brackets commands. PHP is technologically more advanced than Python. * PHP is the best because it is object oriented and has the best features of C/C++/Java/PERL/Python. It can replace PERL, Python, Java, C, C++, awk, Unix shell scripting, MS Visual Basic and others!! PHP runs direct and PHP is written in C. * Each and every computer programmer knows why PHP is the best. Ask your nearby computer programmer. * Only PHP will prevail in the 21st and 22nd century and beyond! * Why do think every PERL, Python and Java programmers are flocking to PHP ?? There is a very strong reason. * Every person in the world wants PHP. PHP blast is causing shock-waves around the world!! * The world is dominated by PHP. There is PHP everywhere and anywhere... PHP, PHP, PHP everywhere.. It's a crack up. Jacinta -- ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ | Jacinta Richardson | `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) | Perl Training Australia | (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' | +613 9354 6001 | _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' | contact@perltraining.com.au | (il),-'' (li),' ((!.-' | www.perltraining.com.au | From Nathan.Bailey at its.monash.edu Tue Jul 9 19:10:18 2002 From: Nathan.Bailey at its.monash.edu (Nathan Bailey) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:37 2004 Subject: Laugh. (PHP-HOWTO) In-Reply-To: jarich's message of Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:39:02 +1000. Message-ID: <200207100010.KAA25662@goaway.cc.monash.edu.au> No, no, I'm convinced. I'm off to tell our ERP programmers that we should rewrite SAP in PHP. N :-) From pjf at perltraining.com.au Tue Jul 9 19:17:02 2002 From: pjf at perltraining.com.au (Paul Fenwick) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:37 2004 Subject: (Off-topic) Laugh. (PHP-HOWTO) In-Reply-To: ; from jarich@perltraining.com.au on Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 09:39:02AM +1000 References: Message-ID: <20020710101702.C17682@mukc.org.au> On Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 09:39:02AM +1000, Jacinta Richardson wrote: > Reading the PHP How-to (http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/PHP-HOWTO-1.html) I just > had to share the following snippets with you: I'm sorry, but this has to have been written by crackpots or as a joke. Following the link at the top to the latest revision one obtains an excellent Linux-advocacy page, with interesting snippets such as: Linux is the "greatest SUPER POWER" in the world which "annexed" each and every country in the world!! Of course, what would linux advocacy be without a discussion of astrophysics? We live in Milkyway galaxy and our neighbouring galaxy is Andromeda (a very big guy) and this big hungry guy Andromeda already swallowed many galaxies and now wants to swallow our Milkyway galaxy!! Our galaxy Milkyway will become a LUNCH for Andromeda. What are you? answer: You are a "ghost" of carbon, oxygen, hydrogen and other atoms. You are a ghost because all of these atoms of carbon, oxygen and other elements were not there at all!! You are a 100% ghost of carbon atoms, nothing is real, everything is just like a virtual illusion created. You are a ghost of carbon atoms and you call the persons of the other Universes as ghosts! It then immediately launches into trying to sell a book on PostgreSQL. I love it. :) See you all tonight, Paul -- Paul Fenwick | http://perltraining.com.au/ Director of Training | Ph: +61 3 9354 6001 Perl Training Australia | Fax: +61 3 9354 2681 From msf at mds.rmit.edu.au Tue Jul 9 19:22:30 2002 From: msf at mds.rmit.edu.au (Michael Fuller) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:37 2004 Subject: Laugh. (PHP-HOWTO) In-Reply-To: <200207100010.KAA25662@goaway.cc.monash.edu.au>; from Nathan Bailey on Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 10:10:18AM +1000 References: <200207100010.KAA25662@goaway.cc.monash.edu.au> Message-ID: <20020710102230.B2273@io.mds.rmit.edu.au> On Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 10:10:18AM +1000, Nathan Bailey wrote: > No, no, I'm convinced. I'm off to tell our ERP programmers that we > should rewrite SAP in PHP. Couldn't make it any worse, surely? :-) From scottp at dd.com.au Wed Jul 10 21:15:15 2002 From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:37 2004 Subject: Admin Committee Message-ID: <09D3706A-9474-11D6-B7BE-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> Hey Mongers, As discussed in last nights meeting, we have decided to start up a fairly informal admin committee to do all of the non perl stuff. As such we will have a separate email list and try and keep the admin side of things off the normal list. So for now I am looking for some volunteers. I have volunteered :-) Paul Fenwick and myself, but we would like a little more help. I don't imagine it is a lot of work - maybe an hour on a busy month. Duties could include: - Maintaining the Web Site - Organising speakers each month - Discussing ways to advocate the group - Organisation of money (if we ever get any, eg: for new books) Scott -- Scott Penrose Welcome to the Digital Dimension http://www.dd.com.au/ scottp@dd.com.au Dismaimer: Contents of this mail and signature are bound to change randomly. Whilst every attempt has been made to control said randomness, the author wishes to remain blameless for the number of eggs that damn chicken laid. Oh and I don't want to hear about butterflies either. From pjf at perltraining.com.au Wed Jul 10 22:58:47 2002 From: pjf at perltraining.com.au (Paul Fenwick) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:37 2004 Subject: Next Melb.PM meeting Message-ID: <20020711135847.C19774@mukc.org.au> G'day everyone, Just a reminder to all that the next Melbourne.PM meeting will be on the 7th of August, not the 14th. Given that Randal is going to be in Melbourne around that time, has anyone extended the invitation to him to attend our little get together? If not, I'll drop him a note letting him know. All the best, Paul -- Paul Fenwick | http://perltraining.com.au/ Director of Training | Ph: +61 3 9354 6001 Perl Training Australia | Fax: +61 3 9354 2681 From mrjcleaver at yahoo.co.uk Wed Jul 10 23:59:37 2002 From: mrjcleaver at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Martin=20Cleaver?=) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:37 2004 Subject: How to determine coupling and cohesion of a perl program? Message-ID: <20020711045937.97588.qmail@web10306.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, It was good to meet you all last night. As promised, here is my perl problem When I studied software engineering, much was made of how low-coupling and high-coherence would ensure the maintainability of a piece of code. I've been looking around, to no avail, for a something to analyse Perl scripts for these qualities. I want to use them as the basis for suggesting improvements to the authors of those scripts and modules. Indeed, a search on SF got me only http://sourceforge.net/projects/programanalyzer/ which is supposed to analyse Java when they get around to releasing some code, and CCCC (http://freshmeat.net/projects/cccc/?topic_id=45) which has a vitality rating of 0.02% (Rank 3344) I also found Module::Dependency on CPAN but, although this does give some indication of dependency, doesn't give metrics on how well the code is written and uses a fairly crude albeit effective method of searching for 'require' and 'use' strings to create its database. I figure that to fully work out the coupling between modules, the degree to which global variables are shared must be taken into account, Module::Dependency can't do this. I also figure that pretty much the only thing I have seen that would track dependencies to this degree would be the pre-compile classes, B. Adrian Masters mentioned the right place to start might be a Perl Parser, well I found a Pod::Parser (http://search.cpan.org/doc/BRADAPP/PodParser-1.18/lib/Pod/Parser.pm) so that might help. He also mentioned the profilers such as Devel::Cover,Devel::Coverage and Devel::DProf, Devel::SmallProf. Because laziness and hubris encourages us to not reinvent the wheel I'd much rather use (or improve on) someone else's work than start coding myself. Can anyone further my research on this? Thanks guys, Regards, M. Thanks, Martin ===== -- Martin.Cleaver@BCS.org.uk (please don't reply to @yahoo) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From pjf at perltraining.com.au Thu Jul 11 00:05:07 2002 From: pjf at perltraining.com.au (Paul Fenwick) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:37 2004 Subject: Visiting Randals Message-ID: <20020711150507.H19774@mukc.org.au> G'day everyone, I've dropped Randal a note inviting him to join us at the next Melb.PM. All the best, Paul -- Paul Fenwick | http://perltraining.com.au/ Director of Training | Ph: +61 3 9354 6001 Perl Training Australia | Fax: +61 3 9354 2681 From joshua at roughtrade.net Thu Jul 11 02:09:59 2002 From: joshua at roughtrade.net (Joshua Goodall) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:37 2004 Subject: dotted-quad RE Message-ID: <20020711070959.GD34919@roughtrade.net> I'm using the following (independently contrived) RE to pick out dotted-quad IPv4 addresses (like 192.168.0.1): $dqa = qr/1?\d{1,2}|2[0-4]\d|25[0-5]/; $dq = qr/(?:$dqa\.){3}$dqa/; print "matched" if $input =~ /^$dq$/; Anyone know of a simpler (or faster) pattern? cheers Joshua From rob at cowsnet.com.au Thu Jul 11 06:50:03 2002 From: rob at cowsnet.com.au (Rob) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:37 2004 Subject: Visiting Randals In-Reply-To: <20020711150507.H19774@mukc.org.au> Message-ID: <004501c228d1$1bef2ad0$14b51ecb@cowsnetw2kp> I too dropped him a line a few weeks ago but haven't heard back from him on it as yet - I spoke to him on PerlMonks and he said that he is fairly behind on his email at the moment. Cheers, Rob Rob Casey Business Manager, Senior IT Consultant Cowsnet Internet and Professional Services http://www.cowsnet.com.au > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-melbourne-pm@pm.org > [mailto:owner-melbourne-pm@pm.org] On Behalf Of Paul Fenwick > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 3:05 PM > To: Melbourne Perl Mongers > Subject: Visiting Randals > > > G'day everyone, > > I've dropped Randal a note inviting him to join us > at the next Melb.PM. > > All the best, > > Paul > > -- > Paul Fenwick | http://perltraining.com.au/ > Director of Training | Ph: +61 3 9354 6001 > Perl Training Australia | Fax: +61 3 9354 2681 > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A fully-correct dotted-quad regexp isn't understandable by many mortals. All the best, Paul -- Paul Fenwick | http://perltraining.com.au/ Director of Training | Ph: +61 3 9354 6001 Perl Training Australia | Fax: +61 3 9354 2681 From joshua at roughtrade.net Thu Jul 11 08:06:42 2002 From: joshua at roughtrade.net (Joshua Goodall) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:37 2004 Subject: dotted-quad RE In-Reply-To: <20020711225130.A20399@mukc.org.au> References: <20020711070959.GD34919@roughtrade.net> <20020711225130.A20399@mukc.org.au> Message-ID: <20020711130642.GE34919@roughtrade.net> On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 10:51:30PM +1000, Paul Fenwick wrote: > G'day Joshua, > > On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 05:09:59PM +1000, Joshua Goodall wrote: > > I'm using the following (independently contrived) RE to pick out dotted-quad > > IPv4 addresses (like 192.168.0.1): > > > > $dqa = qr/1?\d{1,2}|2[0-4]\d|25[0-5]/; > > $dq = qr/(?:$dqa\.){3}$dqa/; > > > > print "matched" if $input =~ /^$dq$/; > > Yup, I've got a very simple way: > > use Regexp::Common; > > print "matched\n" if $input =~ /^$RE{net}{IPv4}$/; That's very elegant (as is the rest of Regexp::Common)! CPAN supplies it, of course, although my particular usage must live without. Looking inside, seems Dr Conway used almost the same form as I did, which is reassuring ... I think he made better use of nongreedy forms, though. J From rob at cowsnet.com.au Thu Jul 11 08:22:06 2002 From: rob at cowsnet.com.au (Rob) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:37 2004 Subject: dotted-quad RE In-Reply-To: <20020711225130.A20399@mukc.org.au> Message-ID: <009801c228dd$f41f2340$14b51ecb@cowsnetw2kp> > Yup, I've got a very simple way: > > use Regexp::Common; > > print "matched\n" if $input =~ /^$RE{net}{IPv4}$/; Actually Joshua's regex is very close to the pattern matching in Regex::Common ... my %IPunit = ( dec => q{(?k:25[0-5]|2[0-4]\d|[0-1]??\d{1,2})}, oct => q{(?k:[0-3]??[0-7]{1,2})}, hex => q{(?k:[0-9A-F]{1,2})}, bin => q{(?k:[0-1]{1,8})}, ); $defsep = '[.]'; pattern name => [qw( net IPv4 )], create => "(?k:$IPunit{dec}$defsep$IPunit{dec}$defsep$IPunit{dec}$defsep$IPunit{de c})", ; Another way would be that from Mastering Regular Expressions ... ^([01]?\d\d?|2[0-4]\d|25[0-5])\.([01]?\d\d?|2[0-4]\d|25[0-5])\. ([01]?\d\d?|2[0-4]\d|25[0-5])\.([01]?\d\d?|2[0-4]\d|25[0-5]) But I like Paul's approach with Regex::Common, so I would probably use that myself :-) Cheers, Rob Rob Casey Business Manager, Senior IT Consultant Cowsnet Internet and Professional Services http://www.cowsnet.com.au > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-melbourne-pm@pm.org > [mailto:owner-melbourne-pm@pm.org] On Behalf Of Paul Fenwick > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 10:52 PM > To: Joshua Goodall > Cc: Melbourne Perl Mongers > Subject: Re: dotted-quad RE -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3222 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/melbourne-pm/attachments/20020711/b6916244/smime.bin From daniel at landmarksoftware.com.au Thu Jul 11 20:29:33 2002 From: daniel at landmarksoftware.com.au (Daniel Walmsley) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:37 2004 Subject: How to determine coupling and cohesion of a perl program? Message-ID: <10328A423AC2D311AE5B0008C70FE564278D85@landnt.land-mark.com.au> As a further metric, you might want to look at dependencies amongst modules in close namespaces verses reliance on modules in other namespaces, i.e. Module A::X references A::Y a lot, but has few references to B::Z. I would imagine that closer coupling between classes in the same sort of area is not as problematic as reliance on totally unrelated classes, in terms of maintainability and understandability, and in fact is something that should be expected to happen a lot. Cheers, Dan -----Original Message----- From: Martin Cleaver [mailto:mrjcleaver@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, 11 July 2002 3:00 PM To: melbourne-pm@pm.org Subject: How to determine coupling and cohesion of a perl program? Hi all, It was good to meet you all last night. As promised, here is my perl problem When I studied software engineering, much was made of how low-coupling and high-coherence would ensure the maintainability of a piece of code. I've been looking around, to no avail, for a something to analyse Perl scripts for these qualities. I want to use them as the basis for suggesting improvements to the authors of those scripts and modules. Indeed, a search on SF got me only http://sourceforge.net/projects/programanalyzer/ which is supposed to analyse Java when they get around to releasing some code, and CCCC (http://freshmeat.net/projects/cccc/?topic_id=45) which has a vitality rating of 0.02% (Rank 3344) I also found Module::Dependency on CPAN but, although this does give some indication of dependency, doesn't give metrics on how well the code is written and uses a fairly crude albeit effective method of searching for 'require' and 'use' strings to create its database. I figure that to fully work out the coupling between modules, the degree to which global variables are shared must be taken into account, Module::Dependency can't do this. I also figure that pretty much the only thing I have seen that would track dependencies to this degree would be the pre-compile classes, B. Adrian Masters mentioned the right place to start might be a Perl Parser, well I found a Pod::Parser (http://search.cpan.org/doc/BRADAPP/PodParser-1.18/lib/Pod/Parser.pm) so that might help. He also mentioned the profilers such as Devel::Cover,Devel::Coverage and Devel::DProf, Devel::SmallProf. Because laziness and hubris encourages us to not reinvent the wheel I'd much rather use (or improve on) someone else's work than start coding myself. Can anyone further my research on this? Thanks guys, Regards, M. Thanks, Martin ===== -- Martin.Cleaver@BCS.org.uk (please don't reply to @yahoo) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From scottp at dd.com.au Thu Jul 11 22:44:54 2002 From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:37 2004 Subject: Driver Based Object Creation - string vs class Message-ID: Hey Guys, I started a thread of conversation at the pub around how to do driver based object creation. I am sure that you have all used or at least heard of DBI, our favorite database interface module. The way you currently create a database handle with DBI is to do the following: use DBI; my $dbh = DBI->connect('dbi:Pg:database=fred', ...); But the designers could easily have done the following... use DBI::Drv::Pg; my $dbh = DBI::Drv::Pg->connect(database => 'fred', ...); So I started talking about where you would used each of these representations. We came up with the basic following guidelines. 1) Use String Based . Configuration file storage of a driver . User input for driver . Customisation depending on platform (eg: Windows vs Linux vs FreeBSD etc) . Command line input 2) Use Class Based . Choosing a driver that does not change except with code changes So we came up with some examples.... 1) String Based The following examples should allow you to write code that works with any of the drivers supported by the infrastructure . Database (type as well as name and host etc) = If you are careful you can construct most your code to be DB independent (where you can't you should consider using DBIx::Abstract or many others) . Email = You write a script to delete mail based on some strange criteria, and you need to choose which folder type (Mh, MBox, MailDir, POP, IMAP, WebDAV ...) 2) Class Based The following examples would probably require code changes to change the driver and therefore it is ok to use class based. . Net::Server:: Personality choices = You write a preforked server which blocks when processing a connection. . IO::Socket::* = Using TCP sockets vs Unix Domain Socks etc often this will change the way you deal with things (not much mind you) I am presenting this to you to: get some feedback if you want; to present the conclusions we came up with on Wednesday. :-) Scott -- Scott Penrose Welcome to the Digital Dimension http://www.dd.com.au/ scottp@dd.com.au Dismaimer: Contents of this mail and signature are bound to change randomly. Whilst every attempt has been made to control said randomness, the author wishes to remain blameless for the number of eggs that damn chicken laid. Oh and I don't want to hear about butterflies either. From terrychan at RnA.nl Tue Jul 16 05:49:20 2002 From: terrychan at RnA.nl (E-Business Services) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:37 2004 Subject: Qualified Potential Clients For Your Industry Message-ID: <00000e030714$00005d6c$00007b31@smtp.NTU.EDU.SG> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am seeking your assistance to enable me transfer the sum of US$16,500,000.00 (Sixteen Million, Five Hundred Thousand United States Dollars) into your private/company account. The fund came about as a result of a contract awarded and executed on behalf of my Ministry the Federal Ministry of Works and Housing. The contract was supposed to be awarded to two foreign contractors to the tune of US$60,000,000.00 (Sixty Million United States Dollars). But in the course of negotiation, the contract was awarded to a Bulgarian contractor at the cost of US$43,500,000.00 (Forty-Three Million, Five Hundred Thousand United States Dollars) to my benefit unknown to the contractor. This contract has been satisfactorily executed and inspected as the Bulgarian firm is presently securing payment from my Ministry, where I am the Executive Director in-charge of all foreign contract payment approval. As a civil servant still in active government service, I am forbidden by law to operate an account outside the shores of Nigeria. Hence this message to you seeking your assistance so as to enable me present your private/company account details as a beneficiary of contractual claims alongside that of the Bulgarian contractor, to enable me transfer the difference of US$16,500,000.00 (Sixteen Million, Five Hundred Thousand United States Dollars) into your provided account. On actualisation, the fund will be disbursed as stated below. 1. 30% of the fund will be for you as beneficiary. 2. 10% for reimbursement to both parties for incidental expenses that may be incurred during the course of the transaction. 3. 60% of the fund will be for me which I intend to invest in your country with you as my partner. All logistics are in place and all modalities worked out for a smooth actualisation of the transaction within the next few working days of commencement. For further details as to the workability of this transaction. Thank you and God bless as I await your urgent response. Yours Sincerely, Dr. Zack Ego. Email:zackego22@euroseek.com From pjf at perltraining.com.au Mon Jul 15 22:46:15 2002 From: pjf at perltraining.com.au (Paul Fenwick) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:37 2004 Subject: proposal (Respond Urgently) In-Reply-To: <200207160345.g6G3iOK25024@mail.pm.org>; from samsx5@mail.com on Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 08:35:37PM +0000 References: <200207160345.g6G3iOK25024@mail.pm.org> Message-ID: <20020716134615.C27954@mukc.org.au> G'day Mongers, > I am contacting you based on information and esteem > recommendation I received of you from a high ranking > official in the commercial section of the Nigerian > Chambers of Commerce and Industry who guaranteed your > reliability and trustworthyness in business dealings. Yay! Melb.PM's excellent reputation has extended as far as the Nigerian Chambers of Commerce and Industry. Anyone wish to extend an invitation to Zack to attend our next meeting? With $US16.5M to park he can probably make the flight so he can discuss the matter over a beer of two. :) Cheers, Paul -- Paul Fenwick | http://perltraining.com.au/ Director of Training | Ph: +61 3 9354 6001 Perl Training Australia | Fax: +61 3 9354 2681 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm also happy to volunteer Rob (now a PerlMonks saint - congrats!) to chase Randal should he desire. :) All the best, Paul -- Paul Fenwick | http://perltraining.com.au/ Director of Training | Ph: +61 3 9354 6001 Perl Training Australia | Fax: +61 3 9354 2681 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/melbourne-pm/attachments/20020716/80c1a7db/attachment.bin From rickm at isite.net.au Mon Jul 15 23:21:15 2002 From: rickm at isite.net.au (Rick Measham) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:37 2004 Subject: proposal (Respond Urgently) In-Reply-To: <200207160345.g6G3iOK25024@mail.pm.org> References: <200207160345.g6G3iOK25024@mail.pm.org> Message-ID: Dear Dr. Zack, Thankyou for your email 16/07/2002. Our group appreciates the time and research you've undertaken to realize that our group is in need of your assistance. We currently have a little library (mainly just some O'Rielly books) and have been thinking of where to get some funds. Amazingly you've come along just at the right time. Fortunately, as you're donating so much to our humble group, we'll also be able to set up a permanent headquarters here in Melbourne (I'm thinking Docklands). There would also be plenty left over for us to fund some of the Perl Alumai's efforts with Perl 6... actually I think with this sort of funding we'll be able to fund the entire thing for some years to come. While we're at it, we might as well purchase a football team (How about calling them the 'Melbourne Camels'?) This would heighten the profile of Perl in the general public. Recently, as someone of your stature would know, the PHP people have been saying some bad things about Perl, but of course as you're a doctor, you're able to see through their double speak and realize that helping our little group is the best way to go. We promise you Dr Zack that you're kind donation will not go to waste. (at our meetings some will go to our waists, but I digress) Please forward details of how to receive your munificence as quickly as possible, we'd love to get this sorted by the time of our next meeting in about three weeks time. Cheers! Melbourne PM. >Dr. Zack Ego. > >Lagos-Nigeria. > >ATTN: President/Ceo > >REQUEST FOR ASSISTANCE IN A FINANCIAL TRANSACTION > >I am contacting you based on information and esteem >recommendation I received of you from a high ranking >official in the commercial section of the Nigerian >Chambers of Commerce and Industry who guaranteed your >reliability and trustworthyness in business dealings. >This business proposal I wish to intimate you with is >of mutual benefit and it's success is entirely based >on mutual trust, cooperation and a high level of >confidentiality as regard this transaction. >I am the Chairman of the contract Advisory Committee >(CAC) of the Nigerian Federal Ministry of Works and >Housing (FMWH). I am seeking your assistance to enable >me transfer the sum of US$16,500,000.00 (Sixteen >Million, Five Hundred Thousand United States Dollars) >into your private/company account. >The fund came about as a result of a contract awarded >and executed on behalf of my Ministry the Federal >Ministry of Works and Housing. >The contract was supposed to be awarded to two foreign >contractors to the tune of US$60,000,000.00 (Sixty >Million United States Dollars). >But in the course of negotiation, the contract was >awarded to a Bulgarian contractor at the cost of >US$43,500,000.00 (Forty-Three Million, Five Hundred >Thousand United States Dollars) to my benefit unknown >to the contractor. This contract has been >satisfactorily executed and inspected as the Bulgarian >firm is presently securing payment from my Ministry, >where I am the Executive Director in-charge of all >foreign contract payment approval. >As a civil servant still in active government service, >I am forbidden by law to operate an account outside >the shores of Nigeria. Hence this message to you >seeking your assistance so as to enable me present >your private/company account details as a beneficiary >of contractual claims alongside that of the Bulgarian >contractor, to enable me transfer the difference of >US$16,500,000.00 (Sixteen Million, Five Hundred >Thousand United States Dollars) into your provided >account. >On actualisation, the fund will be disbursed as stated >below. >1. 30% of the fund will be for you as beneficiary. >2. 10% for reimbursement to both parties for >incidental expenses that may be incurred during the >course of the transaction. >3. 60% of the fund will be for me which I intend to >invest in your country with you as my partner. >All logistics are in place and all modalities worked >out for a smooth actualisation of the transaction >within the next few working days of commencement. For >further details as to the workability of this >transaction. >Thank you and God bless as I await your urgent >response. > >Yours Sincerely, >Dr. Zack Ego. >Email:zackego22@euroseek.com -- -------------------------------------------------------- iSite Technology Consultants - Internet and PC Consulting - Software and Web development - Database design and administration -------------------------------------------------------- 5 Kay Court Yallambie 3085 http://www.isite.net.au (03) 9457 2045 -------------------------------------------------------- From newsletter at thetechmag.com Tue Jul 16 15:53:09 2002 From: newsletter at thetechmag.com (TheTechMag.com) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:37 2004 Subject: Training & Certifications in 2002 Message-ID: ========================================================= -------- TheTechMag.com NEWS AND VIEWS -------- Delivering Features & breaking news from TheTechMag.com. ========================================================= Inside This Issue: 1. 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From pjf at perltraining.com.au Sat Jul 20 08:56:44 2002 From: pjf at perltraining.com.au (Paul Fenwick) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:37 2004 Subject: Perl 5.8.0 is out Message-ID: <20020720235644.A3807@mukc.org.au> G'day everyone, For those who haven't seen the news, Perl 5.8.0 has been released. See http://use.perl.org/ or just about any other Perl site for more details. I'm volunteering to give a "what's new in Perl 5.8.0" talk for the September meeting, unless there's any objections. I hear that the July meeting should already be chock-full of Bovine Perl goodness. Oh, if I haven't already posted it to the list, Randal won't be able to make it to the August PM meeting. He'll be at the SAGE-AU trivia night. I'll try to see if there are any nights when he will be free for a possible informal get together. All the best, Paul -- Paul Fenwick | http://perltraining.com.au/ Director of Training | Ph: +61 3 9354 6001 Perl Training Australia | Fax: +61 3 9354 2681 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/melbourne-pm/attachments/20020720/93cee5c8/attachment.bin From scottp at dd.com.au Sat Jul 20 17:58:07 2002 From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:37 2004 Subject: Perl 5.8.0 is out In-Reply-To: <20020720235644.A3807@mukc.org.au> Message-ID: <27EFD95D-9C34-11D6-B60C-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> On Saturday, July 20, 2002, at 11:56 , Paul Fenwick wrote: > G'day everyone, > > For those who haven't seen the news, Perl 5.8.0 has > been released. See http://use.perl.org/ or just about any other > Perl site for more details. > > I'm volunteering to give a "what's new in Perl 5.8.0" > talk for the September meeting, unless there's any objections. > I hear that the July meeting should already be chock-full of > Bovine Perl goodness. Hmmm.... I think you mean the August meet. We have already had a July meet :-) > Oh, if I haven't already posted it to the list, Randal > won't be able to make it to the August PM meeting. He'll be at > the SAGE-AU trivia night. I'll try to see if there are any nights > when he will be free for a possible informal get together. I have 5.8.0 installed on my laptop (Mac OS X) - it is working VERY nice - of course you have to rebuild almost every CPAN module you had :- ( but that didn't take me that long. You can use it for the demo What's New Demo if you would like. Scott -- Scott Penrose VP in charge of Pancakes http://linux.dd.com.au/ scottp@dd.com.au Dismaimer: If you receive this email in error - please eat it immediately to prevent it from falling into the wrong hands. From pjf at perltraining.com.au Sun Jul 21 06:28:21 2002 From: pjf at perltraining.com.au (Paul Fenwick) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:37 2004 Subject: Perl 5.8.0 is out In-Reply-To: <27EFD95D-9C34-11D6-B60C-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au>; from scottp@dd.com.au on Sun, Jul 21, 2002 at 08:58:07AM +1000 References: <20020720235644.A3807@mukc.org.au> <27EFD95D-9C34-11D6-B60C-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> Message-ID: <20020721212821.A5668@mukc.org.au> G'day Scotty and Mongers, On Sun, Jul 21, 2002 at 08:58:07AM +1000, Scott Penrose wrote: > Hmmm.... I think you mean the August meet. We have already had a July > meet :-) You're right, I do mean the August meeting. > I have 5.8.0 installed on my laptop (Mac OS X) - it is working VERY > nice - of course you have to rebuild almost every CPAN module you had :- > ( but that didn't take me that long. > > You can use it for the demo What's New Demo if you would like. I might well take you up on tht offer. I hate lugging my laptop around on the bicycle. Cheers, Paul -- Paul Fenwick | http://perltraining.com.au/ Director of Training | Ph: +61 3 9354 6001 Perl Training Australia | Fax: +61 3 9354 2681 From B.Griffen at ACV-CSC.be Thu Jul 25 21:10:22 2002 From: B.Griffen at ACV-CSC.be (E-Business News) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:37 2004 Subject: Conference Calls Save Time and Money Message-ID: <00005d4845e3$00006ed8$0000673b@ibls2.ibles.waw.pl> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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