From granny+lapm at gmail.com  Thu Jun  5 15:36:28 2014
From: granny+lapm at gmail.com (Andrew Grangaard)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 15:36:28 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] June LAPM meeting
Message-ID: <CALFerKQeO10cwni9G0v8-6TCd5XHrbZN6mXeT4B3T-ZLdXeeWA@mail.gmail.com>

hello hello hello, is there anybody in there?

Hello LAPM.  Long time no see.

Anybody want to get together for a meeting?  Social, technical, or
otherwise?  Anyone else need to practice their YAPC.na talks?

Thursday the 12th of June?   6/17, 6/18 or 6/19?  Chime in if interested.

peace,
Andrew
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From barefootcoder at gmail.com  Thu Jun  5 19:21:18 2014
From: barefootcoder at gmail.com (Buddy Burden)
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2014 19:21:18 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] June LAPM meeting
In-Reply-To: <CALFerKQeO10cwni9G0v8-6TCd5XHrbZN6mXeT4B3T-ZLdXeeWA@mail.gmail.com>
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Andrew,

> hello hello hello, is there anybody in there?
>
> Hello LAPM.  Long time no see.
>
> Anybody want to get together for a meeting?  Social, technical, or
> otherwise?  Anyone else need to practice their YAPC.na talks?
>
> Thursday the 12th of June?   6/17, 6/18 or 6/19?  Chime in if interested.

6/12 sounds decent.  By 6/18 I'll be on a plane ...

Where at?


		-- Buddy

From aw585 at lafn.org  Thu Jun 19 08:36:48 2014
From: aw585 at lafn.org (aw585 at lafn.org)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 15:36:48 GMT
Subject: [LA.pm] June meeting?
Message-ID: <201406192236.s5JMamTZ096880@zoom.lafn.org>

Is there (was there?) a meeting scheduled for this month?
There was flurry of posts about such about a month ago,
but I never noticed an conclusive announcement.
Anyway...

Regards, Dallas E. Legan II / legan at acm.org / aw585 at lafn.org
http://isthereanotherquestion.blogspot.com
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From chris.grau at gmail.com  Wed Jun 25 13:14:06 2014
From: chris.grau at gmail.com (Christopher Grau)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 13:14:06 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Fwd: [San-Diego-pm] San Diego Perl Mongers Present Damian
	Conway
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Damian Conway will be in San Diego next week. It's a bit of a drive,
but we'd love to have you.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Bob Kleemann
Date: Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 1:02 PM
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] San Diego Perl Mongers Present Damian Conway
To: San Diego Perl Mongers <san-diego-pm at pm.org>

The San Diego Perl Mongers present the amazing Damian Conway giving
his entertaining and instructive talk "Everything You Know About
Regexes Is Wrong":

>For most programmers, regular expressions are a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma shrouded in line-noise.
>
>So most sensible programmers either don't use them at all (and are thereby forced to reinvent worse wheels...badly), or else they fall back on an "evolutionary programming" approach: find an existing regex that looks like it might do, then randomly permute its "genome" over and over again until it appears to work.
>
>In this talk we'll go back to basics and discover that regexes mostly aren't what you think they are, mostly don't work the way you were told they did, and mostly shouldn't be created the way everyone tells you to.
>
>More usefully, we'll also talk about what regexes really are, how they actually work, and see how normal programmers can make use of their existing software development skills to construct correct and efficient regexes...without selling their souls or losing their minds.

This one night event will happen on Monday, June 30th, starting at 7
PM at the offices of Knobbe Martens, 12790 El Camino Real #100, San
Diego, CA.

RSVPs (to rkleemann at gmail.com or via
http://www.meetup.com/SanDiego-pm/events/191240962/) are not required,
but are helpful.

Please feel free to share this with any coworkers, user groups, or
other technical associations that might be interested.

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From peter.serwe at gmail.com  Wed Jun 25 14:57:23 2014
From: peter.serwe at gmail.com (Peter Serwe)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 14:57:23 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Fwd: [San-Diego-pm] San Diego Perl Mongers Present
	Damian Conway
In-Reply-To: <CABd74rw5xKNhc4Qd1=fk-y0oCk+icjCR=1fA_zEpsUxyPCv1pQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO6cO5-0zbdb8bZMP0SRavj8EQ8-TC6dkdjJLaCch5zyBLfCbg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABd74rw5xKNhc4Qd1=fk-y0oCk+icjCR=1fA_zEpsUxyPCv1pQ@mail.gmail.com>
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God I wish San Diego wasn't so far from Ventura!

Any chance this presentation might be recorded?

Peter


On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Christopher Grau <chris.grau at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Damian Conway will be in San Diego next week. It's a bit of a drive,
> but we'd love to have you.
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Bob Kleemann
> Date: Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 1:02 PM
> Subject: [San-Diego-pm] San Diego Perl Mongers Present Damian Conway
> To: San Diego Perl Mongers <san-diego-pm at pm.org>
>
> The San Diego Perl Mongers present the amazing Damian Conway giving
> his entertaining and instructive talk "Everything You Know About
> Regexes Is Wrong":
>
> >For most programmers, regular expressions are a riddle wrapped in a
> mystery inside an enigma shrouded in line-noise.
> >
> >So most sensible programmers either don't use them at all (and are
> thereby forced to reinvent worse wheels...badly), or else they fall back on
> an "evolutionary programming" approach: find an existing regex that looks
> like it might do, then randomly permute its "genome" over and over again
> until it appears to work.
> >
> >In this talk we'll go back to basics and discover that regexes mostly
> aren't what you think they are, mostly don't work the way you were told
> they did, and mostly shouldn't be created the way everyone tells you to.
> >
> >More usefully, we'll also talk about what regexes really are, how they
> actually work, and see how normal programmers can make use of their
> existing software development skills to construct correct and efficient
> regexes...without selling their souls or losing their minds.
>
> This one night event will happen on Monday, June 30th, starting at 7
> PM at the offices of Knobbe Martens, 12790 El Camino Real #100, San
> Diego, CA.
>
> RSVPs (to rkleemann at gmail.com or via
> http://www.meetup.com/SanDiego-pm/events/191240962/) are not required,
> but are helpful.
>
> Please feel free to share this with any coworkers, user groups, or
> other technical associations that might be interested.
>
> _______________________________________________
> San-Diego-pm mailing list
> San-Diego-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/san-diego-pm
> _______________________________________________
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>



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From bobmath11 at icloud.com  Wed Jun 25 23:58:33 2014
From: bobmath11 at icloud.com (Bob Mathews)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 23:58:33 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] [Oc-pm] [San-Diego-pm] San Diego Perl Mongers Present
	Damian Conway
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	<CABd74rw5xKNhc4Qd1=fk-y0oCk+icjCR=1fA_zEpsUxyPCv1pQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9494FB2E-27FE-474B-8B4D-9CA44264AAC0@icloud.com>

On Jun 25, 2014, at 1:14 PM, Christopher Grau <chris.grau at gmail.com> wrote:
>> So most sensible programmers either don't use them at all (and are thereby forced to reinvent worse wheels...badly), or else they fall back on an "evolutionary programming" approach: find an existing regex that looks like it might do, then randomly permute its "genome" over and over again until it appears to work.

Damian's a smart guy, but some of his advice is wacky. Neither of those things are "sensible" in my book. I've never had any trouble building arbitrarily complicated regexes. Has he got anything better than "build regexes with string interpolation"? That works, but if you find yourself going that direction, you should probably be using a real parser instead.

 -bob