From granny+lapm at gmail.com Fri Jul 8 12:25:46 2011 From: granny+lapm at gmail.com (Andrew Grangaard) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 12:25:46 -0700 Subject: [LA.pm] Fwd: [Thousand-Oaks-pm] July Meeting: Wed July 13th @ 7 PM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: T-O july meeting is next wednesday. Sounds like two really interesting talks on TDD and using the debugger. --Andrew ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Tommy Stanton Date: Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 1:37 AM Subject: [Thousand-Oaks-pm] July Meeting: Wed July 13th @ 7 PM To: "ThousandOaks.pm" Hey Mongers, ? We have our next meeting coming up next week, on Wednesday 7/13 at 7 PM. Unfortunately, I won't be able to attend this meeting. ?My co-worker, Arkadiy, is going to host in my absence. Arkadiy will be presenting on the Perl debugger, and my other co-worker, Peter, will be presenting on test-driven development. ?Both of these topics involve super-useful techniques for being a better Perl programmer (actually...any kind of programmer!). ;) RSVPs are appreciated. :) ?Directions are included below. ?More information is available on the website: http://thousand-oaks.pm.org/ -Tommy To get there: Take the 101 Freeway to the Lindero Canyon Road exit and head north. Pass the Memorial Park on your right and turn right at the 2nd light for Russell Ranch Road (you will see a Chiptole at that corner). ?Pass the Costco to your right, and then take the first right into the parking lot (there is a little yellow parcel box that you can use in spotting the driveway that you need to turn into). ?Turn left toward the glass doors in the far corner. ?Here is a map: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=30699+Russel+Ranch+Rd.+Westlake+Village,+CA&aq=&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=44.793449,79.013672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=30699+Russell+Ranch+Rd,+Westlake+Village,+Los+Angeles,+California+91362&ll=34.152248,-118.797859&spn=0.005744,0.009645&t=h&z=17 Someone will be waiting to let you in downstairs, at the glass doors. _______________________________________________ ThousandOaks.pm - Thousand Oaks Perl Mongers Website: ? ? ?http://thousand-oaks.pm.org/ Mailing list: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/thousand-oaks-pm From granny+lapm at gmail.com Fri Jul 8 12:34:19 2011 From: granny+lapm at gmail.com (Andrew Grangaard) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 12:34:19 -0700 Subject: [LA.pm] July Meeting? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi LA Mongers! Who's ready for a July meeting? ?Anyone want to step up and plan something? ?I'd hate to think we'd go for two months without a meeting, especially two months that contain YAPC.na and OSCON. We have a placeholder on the website for 7/20 I've got a host for August. ?More details on that soon. Personally, I'm all booked up -- we've finalized our wedding date for July 31, 2011 in Ann Arbor, MI. ?So I'll be pretty much solidly booked between now and then getting stuff planned and getting caught up at the office. ? I don't even have our wedding website deployed! ( http://sweetiebeast.us ) Looking forward to hanging out with you soon, my mongers! PS. YAPC.na was *AWESOME*. ?What a super busy conference. PPS. I was looking forward to OSCON too, but had to cancel because it conflicts with the wedding. ?Please go and report back! --Andrew From mfrager at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 09:52:28 2011 From: mfrager at gmail.com (Mike Frager) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 09:52:28 -0700 Subject: [LA.pm] July Meeting? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello LA Perl Mongers, I'm interested in going to this months meeting if there's going to be one! If no one else has anything to present, I have a simple presentation on vertical tables I keep up my sleeve that I'd be willing to share. -Mike Frager On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Andrew Grangaard wrote: > Hi LA Mongers! > > Who's ready for a July meeting? Anyone want to step up and plan > something? I'd hate to think we'd go for two months without a meeting, > especially two months that contain YAPC.na and OSCON. > > We have a placeholder on the website for 7/20 > > I've got a host for August. More details on that soon. > > Personally, I'm all booked up -- we've finalized our wedding date for > July 31, 2011 in Ann Arbor, MI. So I'll be pretty much solidly booked > between now and then getting stuff planned and getting caught up at > the office. I don't even have our wedding website deployed! ( > http://sweetiebeast.us ) > > Looking forward to hanging out with you soon, my mongers! > > PS. YAPC.na was *AWESOME*. What a super busy conference. > PPS. I was looking forward to OSCON too, but had to cancel because it > conflicts with the wedding. Please go and report back! > > --Andrew > _______________________________________________ > Losangeles-pm mailing list > Losangeles-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From merlyn at stonehenge.com Mon Jul 11 10:27:08 2011 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 10:27:08 -0700 Subject: [LA.pm] July Meeting? In-Reply-To: (Mike Frager's message of "Mon, 11 Jul 2011 09:52:28 -0700") References:

Message-ID: <86oc10ohhv.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "Mike" == Mike Frager writes: Mike> I'm interested in going to this months meeting if there's going to Mike> be one! I could be at a 7/20 meeting as well. Mike> If no one else has anything to present, I have a simple Mike> presentation on vertical tables I keep up my sleeve that I'd be Mike> willing to share. What are "vertical tables"? -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From mfrager at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 10:41:49 2011 From: mfrager at gmail.com (Mike Frager) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 10:41:49 -0700 Subject: [LA.pm] July Meeting? In-Reply-To: <86oc10ohhv.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> References:

<86oc10ohhv.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: 7/20 would be good for me also. Vertical tables are like taking a regular SQL tables (a horizontal database) and turning them on their side. Columns become entire rows, and rows become groups of rows. By doing this you can change the schema on the fly. It's likely something you may have seen before, but under a different name. Usually worth a look though. Since I first learned about it, it has greatly helped how I think about databases. -Mike Frager On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > >>>>> "Mike" == Mike Frager writes: > > Mike> I'm interested in going to this months meeting if there's going to > Mike> be one! > > I could be at a 7/20 meeting as well. > > Mike> If no one else has anything to present, I have a simple > Mike> presentation on vertical tables I keep up my sleeve that I'd be > Mike> willing to share. > > What are "vertical tables"? > > -- > Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 > 0095 > > Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. > See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From merlyn at stonehenge.com Mon Jul 11 10:44:57 2011 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 10:44:57 -0700 Subject: [LA.pm] July Meeting? In-Reply-To: (Mike Frager's message of "Mon, 11 Jul 2011 10:41:49 -0700") References:

<86oc10ohhv.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: <86k4boogo6.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "Mike" == Mike Frager writes: Mike> By doing this you can change the schema on the fly. I've always wanted my flies to have different schemas! Mike> It's likely something you may have seen before, but under a Mike> different name. Usually worth a look though. Since I first Mike> learned about it, it has greatly helped how I think about Mike> databases. Pivot tables, maybe? -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From mfrager at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 10:58:03 2011 From: mfrager at gmail.com (Mike Frager) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 10:58:03 -0700 Subject: [LA.pm] July Meeting? In-Reply-To: <86k4boogo6.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> References:

<86oc10ohhv.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <86k4boogo6.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: Actually vertical tables are not much like pivot tables. They are a way to store data where the schema (the columns names) changes frequently or is not known ahead of time. This might give away the presentation, but here's how it works: You create one table to store the field names: Field Names Table: id field_name Then another table for the data: Data Table: id record_id field_id data Each "record" in the vertical table, gets broken down into multiple rows in the "Data" table. Each row in the "Data" table then references a "Field" type and contains a piece of data. This is the equivalent of a column value in a regular, horizontal table. These records are tied together into on "virtual row" by the "record_id". -Mike Frager On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > >>>>> "Mike" == Mike Frager writes: > > Mike> By doing this you can change the schema on the fly. > > I've always wanted my flies to have different schemas! > > Mike> It's likely something you may have seen before, but under a > Mike> different name. Usually worth a look though. Since I first > Mike> learned about it, it has greatly helped how I think about > Mike> databases. > > Pivot tables, maybe? > > -- > Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 > 0095 > > Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. > See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From merlyn at stonehenge.com Mon Jul 11 11:06:59 2011 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 11:06:59 -0700 Subject: [LA.pm] July Meeting? In-Reply-To: (Mike Frager's message of "Mon, 11 Jul 2011 10:58:03 -0700") References:

<86oc10ohhv.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <86k4boogo6.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: <867h7oofng.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "Mike" == Mike Frager writes: Mike> Actually vertical tables are not much like pivot tables. They are Mike> a way to store data where the schema (the columns names) changes Mike> frequently or is not known ahead of time. Oh, only a short hop from the dreaded EAV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entity-attribute-value_model), or how to avoid using a relational database entirely and properly by just turning it into a heaping pile of data. :) This is what happens when people use a so-called database (like MySQL) that doesn't have transactional DDL, and so any schema change requires a shutdown, unacceptable in OLTP. PostgreSQL for the win. Having said that, I'd be curious to see your presentation to see if it's *not* just about getting around MySQL's wholly unnecessary limitations. Friends don't let friends start new projects with MySQL. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From btilly at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 11:28:55 2011 From: btilly at gmail.com (Ben Tilly) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 11:28:55 -0700 Subject: [LA.pm] July Meeting? In-Reply-To: References:

<86oc10ohhv.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <86k4boogo6.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: 2011/7/11 Mike Frager : > Actually vertical tables are not much like pivot tables. They are a way to > store data where the schema (the columns names) changes frequently or is not > known ahead of time. > > This might give away the presentation, but here's how it works: > > You create one table to store the field names: > > Field Names Table: > ?? id > ?? field_name > > Then another table for the data: > > Data Table: > ? id > ? record_id > ? field_id > ? data > > Each "record" in the vertical table, gets broken down into multiple rows in > the "Data" table. Each row in the "Data" table then references a "Field" > type and contains a piece of data. This is the equivalent of a column value > in a regular, horizontal table. These records are tied together into on > "virtual row" by the "record_id". Transactional performance may be OK, but dynamic creation of complex reports would really, really suck with a schema like that in a traditional relational database. (If you're going outside of relational databases, then map-reduce should work just fine. Albeit with a significant necessary resource overhead.) > -Mike Frager > > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Randal L. Schwartz > wrote: >> >> >>>>> "Mike" == Mike Frager writes: >> >> Mike> ?By doing this you can change the schema on the fly. >> >> I've always wanted my flies to have different schemas! >> >> Mike> It's likely something you may have seen before, but under a >> Mike> different name. ?Usually worth a look though. Since I first >> Mike> learned about it, it has greatly helped how I think about >> Mike> databases. >> >> Pivot tables, maybe? >> >> -- >> Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 >> 0095 >> >> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. >> See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion > > > _______________________________________________ > Losangeles-pm mailing list > Losangeles-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm > From mackenziemikebus at yahoo.com Mon Jul 11 22:52:15 2011 From: mackenziemikebus at yahoo.com (Mike MacKenzie) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 22:52:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [LA.pm] July Meeting? In-Reply-To: References:

<86oc10ohhv.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <86k4boogo6.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: <1310449935.91914.YahooMailNeo@web130209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Perhaps then this can be viewed as a stepping stone for SQL-o-philes to help them start thinking in map-reduce terms without having to go whole hog (whole Pig?) and obtain/install/learn a whole new tool set. Mike Mac. ________________________________ From: Ben Tilly To: Mike Frager Cc: Los Angeles Perl Mongers Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [LA.pm] July Meeting? 2011/7/11 Mike Frager : > Actually vertical tables are not much like pivot tables. They are a way to > store data where the schema (the columns names) changes frequently or is not > known ahead of time. > > This might give away the presentation, but here's how it works: > > You create one table to store the field names: > > Field Names Table: > ?? id > ?? field_name > > Then another table for the data: > > Data Table: > ? id > ? record_id > ? field_id > ? data > > Each "record" in the vertical table, gets broken down into multiple rows in > the "Data" table. Each row in the "Data" table then references a "Field" > type and contains a piece of data. This is the equivalent of a column value > in a regular, horizontal table. These records are tied together into on > "virtual row" by the "record_id". Transactional performance may be OK, but dynamic creation of complex reports would really, really suck with a schema like that in a traditional relational database. (If you're going outside of relational databases, then map-reduce should work just fine.? Albeit with a significant necessary resource overhead.) > -Mike Frager > > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Randal L. Schwartz > wrote: >> >> >>>>> "Mike" == Mike Frager writes: >> >> Mike> ?By doing this you can change the schema on the fly. >> >> I've always wanted my flies to have different schemas! >> >> Mike> It's likely something you may have seen before, but under a >> Mike> different name. ?Usually worth a look though. Since I first >> Mike> learned about it, it has greatly helped how I think about >> Mike> databases. >> >> Pivot tables, maybe? >> >> -- >> Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 >> 0095 >> >> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. >> See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion > > > _______________________________________________ > Losangeles-pm mailing list > Losangeles-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm > _______________________________________________ Losangeles-pm mailing list Losangeles-pm at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From arkadiy at arkadiy.com Wed Jul 13 13:08:16 2011 From: arkadiy at arkadiy.com (Arkadiy) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 13:08:16 -0700 Subject: [LA.pm] Fwd: July Meeting: Wed July 13th @ 7 PM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Meeting is tonight. See you all here. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Tommy Stanton Date: Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 1:37 AM Subject: July Meeting: Wed July 13th @ 7 PM To: "ThousandOaks.pm" Cc: Arkadiy Hey Mongers, ? We have our next meeting coming up next week, on Wednesday 7/13 at 7 PM. Unfortunately, I won't be able to attend this meeting. ?My co-worker, Arkadiy, is going to host in my absence. Arkadiy will be presenting on the Perl debugger, and my other co-worker, Peter, will be presenting on test-driven development. ?Both of these topics involve super-useful techniques for being a better Perl programmer (actually...any kind of programmer!). ;) RSVPs are appreciated. :) ?Directions are included below. ?More information is available on the website: http://thousand-oaks.pm.org/ -Tommy To get there: Take the 101 Freeway to the Lindero Canyon Road exit and head north. Pass the Memorial Park on your right and turn right at the 2nd light for Russell Ranch Road (you will see a Chiptole at that corner). ?Pass the Costco to your right, and then take the first right into the parking lot (there is a little yellow parcel box that you can use in spotting the driveway that you need to turn into). ?Turn left toward the glass doors in the far corner. ?Here is a map: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=30699+Russel+Ranch+Rd.+Westlake+Village,+CA&aq=&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=44.793449,79.013672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=30699+Russell+Ranch+Rd,+Westlake+Village,+Los+Angeles,+California+91362&ll=34.152248,-118.797859&spn=0.005744,0.009645&t=h&z=17 Someone will be waiting to let you in downstairs, at the glass doors. From merlyn at stonehenge.com Wed Jul 13 13:25:31 2011 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 13:25:31 -0700 Subject: [LA.pm] Fwd: July Meeting: Wed July 13th @ 7 PM In-Reply-To: (arkadiy@arkadiy.com's message of "Wed, 13 Jul 2011 13:08:16 -0700") References:

Message-ID: <864o2qgc78.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "Arkadiy" == Arkadiy writes: Arkadiy> Meeting is tonight. See you all here. My last pre-carmaggedon 405 trip! -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From arkadiy at arkadiy.com Wed Jul 13 13:39:36 2011 From: arkadiy at arkadiy.com (Arkadiy) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 13:39:36 -0700 Subject: [LA.pm] July Meeting: Wed July 13th @ 7 PM In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: Who's bringing pisto? On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Arkadiy wrote: > Meeting is tonight. See you all here. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Tommy Stanton > Date: Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 1:37 AM > Subject: July Meeting: Wed July 13th @ 7 PM > To: "ThousandOaks.pm" > Cc: Arkadiy > > > Hey Mongers, > ? We have our next meeting coming up next week, on Wednesday 7/13 at 7 PM. > > Unfortunately, I won't be able to attend this meeting. ?My co-worker, > Arkadiy, is going to host in my absence. > > Arkadiy will be presenting on the Perl debugger, and my other > co-worker, Peter, will be presenting on test-driven development. ?Both > of these topics involve super-useful techniques for being a better > Perl programmer (actually...any kind of programmer!). ;) > > RSVPs are appreciated. :) ?Directions are included below. ?More > information is available on the website: > > http://thousand-oaks.pm.org/ > > -Tommy > > To get there: > > Take the 101 Freeway to the Lindero Canyon Road exit and head north. > Pass the Memorial Park on your right and turn right at the 2nd light > for Russell Ranch Road (you will see a Chiptole at that corner). ?Pass > the Costco to your right, and then take the first right into the > parking lot (there is a little yellow parcel box that you can use in > spotting the driveway that you need to turn into). ?Turn left toward > the glass doors in the far corner. ?Here is a map: > http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=30699+Russel+Ranch+Rd.+Westlake+Village,+CA&aq=&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=44.793449,79.013672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=30699+Russell+Ranch+Rd,+Westlake+Village,+Los+Angeles,+California+91362&ll=34.152248,-118.797859&spn=0.005744,0.009645&t=h&z=17 > > Someone will be waiting to let you in downstairs, at the glass doors. > From arkadiy at arkadiy.com Wed Jul 13 17:17:53 2011 From: arkadiy at arkadiy.com (Arkadiy) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 17:17:53 -0700 Subject: [LA.pm] July Meeting: Wed July 13th @ 7 PM In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: Take my phone number down for access: (213) 254-5753 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Arkadiy wrote: > Meeting is tonight. See you all here. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Tommy Stanton > Date: Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 1:37 AM > Subject: July Meeting: Wed July 13th @ 7 PM > To: "ThousandOaks.pm" > Cc: Arkadiy > > > Hey Mongers, > ? We have our next meeting coming up next week, on Wednesday 7/13 at 7 PM. > > Unfortunately, I won't be able to attend this meeting. ?My co-worker, > Arkadiy, is going to host in my absence. > > Arkadiy will be presenting on the Perl debugger, and my other > co-worker, Peter, will be presenting on test-driven development. ?Both > of these topics involve super-useful techniques for being a better > Perl programmer (actually...any kind of programmer!). ;) > > RSVPs are appreciated. :) ?Directions are included below. ?More > information is available on the website: > > http://thousand-oaks.pm.org/ > > -Tommy > > To get there: > > Take the 101 Freeway to the Lindero Canyon Road exit and head north. > Pass the Memorial Park on your right and turn right at the 2nd light > for Russell Ranch Road (you will see a Chiptole at that corner). ?Pass > the Costco to your right, and then take the first right into the > parking lot (there is a little yellow parcel box that you can use in > spotting the driveway that you need to turn into). ?Turn left toward > the glass doors in the far corner. ?Here is a map: > http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=30699+Russel+Ranch+Rd.+Westlake+Village,+CA&aq=&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=44.793449,79.013672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=30699+Russell+Ranch+Rd,+Westlake+Village,+Los+Angeles,+California+91362&ll=34.152248,-118.797859&spn=0.005744,0.009645&t=h&z=17 > > Someone will be waiting to let you in downstairs, at the glass doors. > From arkadiy at arkadiy.com Thu Jul 14 15:13:24 2011 From: arkadiy at arkadiy.com (Arkadiy) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:13:24 -0700 Subject: [LA.pm] July Meeting: Wed July 13th @ 7 PM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you for coming! Here's a link to slides: http://public.iwork.com/document/?d=debugger.key&a=p109739115 On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 1:37 AM, Tommy Stanton wrote: > Hey Mongers, > ? We have our next meeting coming up next week, on Wednesday 7/13 at 7 PM. > > Unfortunately, I won't be able to attend this meeting. ?My co-worker, > Arkadiy, is going to host in my absence. > > Arkadiy will be presenting on the Perl debugger, and my other > co-worker, Peter, will be presenting on test-driven development. ?Both > of these topics involve super-useful techniques for being a better > Perl programmer (actually...any kind of programmer!). ;) > > RSVPs are appreciated. :) ?Directions are included below. ?More > information is available on the website: > > http://thousand-oaks.pm.org/ > > -Tommy > > To get there: > > Take the 101 Freeway to the Lindero Canyon Road exit and head north. > Pass the Memorial Park on your right and turn right at the 2nd light > for Russell Ranch Road (you will see a Chiptole at that corner). ?Pass > the Costco to your right, and then take the first right into the > parking lot (there is a little yellow parcel box that you can use in > spotting the driveway that you need to turn into). ?Turn left toward > the glass doors in the far corner. ?Here is a map: > http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=30699+Russel+Ranch+Rd.+Westlake+Village,+CA&aq=&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=44.793449,79.013672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=30699+Russell+Ranch+Rd,+Westlake+Village,+Los+Angeles,+California+91362&ll=34.152248,-118.797859&spn=0.005744,0.009645&t=h&z=17 > > Someone will be waiting to let you in downstairs, at the glass doors. > From daoswald at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 11:15:33 2011 From: daoswald at gmail.com (David Oswald) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 11:15:33 -0700 Subject: [LA.pm] Is no news no news? (July 20th meeting) Message-ID: I'm a little new to LA PM. I really enjoyed the TO meeting last week, and was hoping to make it to the LA meeting this week, if there is one. I understand that it's been a busy summer for Mr Grangaard (congratulations!). Is there anything planned for the 20th this month? -- David Oswald daoswald at gmail.com From merlyn at stonehenge.com Tue Jul 19 11:50:58 2011 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 11:50:58 -0700 Subject: [LA.pm] Is no news no news? (July 20th meeting) In-Reply-To: (David Oswald's message of "Tue, 19 Jul 2011 11:15:33 -0700") References: Message-ID: <86vcuy3y0d.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "David" == David Oswald writes: David> I'm a little new to LA PM. I really enjoyed the TO meeting last week, David> and was hoping to make it to the LA meeting this week, if there is David> one. I understand that it's been a busy summer for Mr Grangaard David> (congratulations!). Is there anything planned for the 20th this David> month? Nobody is hosting this month, apparently. We could just hold an "emergency social meet", where we skip the presentation and head directly to the restaurant-ish-bar. I'd be up for that. As an initial proposal, how about the usual El Segundo McCormick and Schmicks at say, 7:30pm? (Not sure when happy hour starts.) -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From jeff at yoak.com Tue Jul 19 12:17:16 2011 From: jeff at yoak.com (Jeff Yoak) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 12:17:16 -0700 Subject: [LA.pm] Is no news no news? (July 20th meeting) In-Reply-To: <86vcuy3y0d.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> References: <86vcuy3y0d.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: That sounds good to me. I'll do McCormick at 7:30 tomorrow. Cheers, Jeff On Jul 19, 2011, at 11:50 AM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: >>>>>> "David" == David Oswald writes: > > David> I'm a little new to LA PM. I really enjoyed the TO meeting last week, > David> and was hoping to make it to the LA meeting this week, if there is > David> one. I understand that it's been a busy summer for Mr Grangaard > David> (congratulations!). Is there anything planned for the 20th this > David> month? > > Nobody is hosting this month, apparently. > > We could just hold an "emergency social meet", where we skip the > presentation and head directly to the restaurant-ish-bar. I'd be up for > that. As an initial proposal, how about the usual El Segundo McCormick > and Schmicks at say, 7:30pm? (Not sure when happy hour starts.) > > -- > Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 > > Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. > See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion > _______________________________________________ > Losangeles-pm mailing list > Losangeles-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm From arkadiy at arkadiy.com Tue Jul 19 12:41:59 2011 From: arkadiy at arkadiy.com (Arkadiy) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 12:41:59 -0700 Subject: [LA.pm] Is no news no news? (July 20th meeting) In-Reply-To: References: <86vcuy3y0d.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: Sorry, I'm out. On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Jeff Yoak wrote: > That sounds good to me. ?I'll do McCormick at 7:30 tomorrow. > > Cheers, > Jeff > > On Jul 19, 2011, at 11:50 AM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > >>>>>>> "David" == David Oswald writes: >> >> David> I'm a little new to LA PM. ?I really enjoyed the TO meeting last week, >> David> and was hoping to make it to the LA meeting this week, if there is >> David> one. ?I understand that it's been a busy summer for Mr Grangaard >> David> (congratulations!). ?Is there anything planned for the 20th this >> David> month? >> >> Nobody is hosting this month, apparently. >> >> We could just hold an "emergency social meet", where we skip the >> presentation and head directly to the restaurant-ish-bar. ?I'd be up for >> that. ?As an initial proposal, how about the usual El Segundo McCormick >> and Schmicks at say, 7:30pm? ?(Not sure when happy hour starts.) >> >> -- >> Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 >> >> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. >> See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion >> _______________________________________________ >> Losangeles-pm mailing list >> Losangeles-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm > > _______________________________________________ > Losangeles-pm mailing list > Losangeles-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm > From daoswald at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 17:55:46 2011 From: daoswald at gmail.com (David Oswald) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 17:55:46 -0700 Subject: [LA.pm] Is no news no news? (July 20th meeting) In-Reply-To: <86vcuy3y0d.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> References: <86vcuy3y0d.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: I'll be there. On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: >>>>>> "David" == David Oswald writes: > > David> I'm a little new to LA PM. ?I really enjoyed the TO meeting last week, > David> and was hoping to make it to the LA meeting this week, if there is > David> one. ?I understand that it's been a busy summer for Mr Grangaard > David> (congratulations!). ?Is there anything planned for the 20th this > David> month? > > Nobody is hosting this month, apparently. > > We could just hold an "emergency social meet", where we skip the > presentation and head directly to the restaurant-ish-bar. ?I'd be up for > that. ?As an initial proposal, how about the usual El Segundo McCormick > and Schmicks at say, 7:30pm? ?(Not sure when happy hour starts.) > > -- > Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 > > Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. > See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion > -- David Oswald daoswald at gmail.com From granny+lapm at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 18:46:54 2011 From: granny+lapm at gmail.com (Andrew Grangaard) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 18:46:54 -0700 Subject: [LA.pm] Is no news no news? (July 20th meeting) In-Reply-To: References: <86vcuy3y0d.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: Mongers, Wonderful news! Glad to see some action and motion on the list. Hope you have a nice dinner meeting tomorrow. Maybe I'll crash it for a few minutes. :) FWIW: happy hour at McC&S is from 3:30-6:30 and 9-11. 2101 Rosencrans Ave, El Segundo CA, 90245. peace, Andrew ps. Yes, we'll definitely have an august meeting! pps. Thank you for the congratulations, David. On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 5:55 PM, David Oswald wrote: > I'll be there. > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Randal L. Schwartz > wrote: >>>>>>> "David" == David Oswald writes: >> >> David> I'm a little new to LA PM. ?I really enjoyed the TO meeting last week, >> David> and was hoping to make it to the LA meeting this week, if there is >> David> one. ?I understand that it's been a busy summer for Mr Grangaard >> David> (congratulations!). ?Is there anything planned for the 20th this >> David> month? >> >> Nobody is hosting this month, apparently. >> >> We could just hold an "emergency social meet", where we skip the >> presentation and head directly to the restaurant-ish-bar. ?I'd be up for >> that. ?As an initial proposal, how about the usual El Segundo McCormick >> and Schmicks at say, 7:30pm? ?(Not sure when happy hour starts.) >> >> -- >> Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 >> >> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. >> See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion >> > > > > -- > > David Oswald > daoswald at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Losangeles-pm mailing list > Losangeles-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm > From merlyn at stonehenge.com Wed Jul 20 11:07:49 2011 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 11:07:49 -0700 Subject: [LA.pm] Is no news no news? (July 20th meeting) In-Reply-To: (Andrew Grangaard's message of "Tue, 19 Jul 2011 18:46:54 -0700") References: <86vcuy3y0d.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: <86bowo3jwq.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "Andrew" == Andrew Grangaard writes: Andrew> FWIW: happy hour at McC&S is from 3:30-6:30 and 9-11. Well, we'll have to pay full price for the first two rounds then. :) Anyway, looks like a quorum, so see y'all tonight! -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From Astrid.Reinhardt at GMail.com Wed Jul 20 11:21:31 2011 From: Astrid.Reinhardt at GMail.com (Astrid Reinhardt) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 11:21:31 -0700 Subject: [LA.pm] Is no news no news? (July 20th meeting) In-Reply-To: <86bowo3jwq.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> References: <86vcuy3y0d.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <86bowo3jwq.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: 50-50 chance that I'll make it. Hopefully see you all there :) Astrid On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > >>>>> "Andrew" == Andrew Grangaard writes: > > Andrew> FWIW: happy hour at McC&S is from 3:30-6:30 and 9-11. > > Well, we'll have to pay full price for the first two rounds then. :) > > Anyway, looks like a quorum, so see y'all tonight! > > -- > Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 > 0095 > > Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. > See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion > _______________________________________________ > Losangeles-pm mailing list > Losangeles-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: