From bluefeet at gmail.com  Tue May  4 17:03:34 2010
From: bluefeet at gmail.com (Aran Deltac)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 17:03:34 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Perl Flagship Applications
Message-ID: <j2r24bb5cf91005041703x24bd93b4gccd06dd433c886c9@mail.gmail.com>

So, at the end of LA.pm this month one of our fellow mongers (I forget his
name, sorry) was talking about how he wished there were more "flagship" Perl
applications that could illustrate the power of perl to a more general
audience.  PHP has Drupal, Wordpress, Mediawiki, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.
Java has Hadoop, Cassandra, etc, etc, etc.  These flagship applications
provide the underlying language an automatic approval to the users of those
applications.  People who do not code in PHP or Java know of these
applications and what language they were written in because these
application proudly state what language(s) they are using.  This means that
managers, etc, are exposed to these languages as providing high quality and
highly complex software.

So, what I'm wondering is, what does perl have?

I know of one off the top of my head:  TWiki (http://twiki.org/)

I'm sure there are more.  Melody (the really open source version of Movable
Type) will fall in this list once its released, I'm hoping.

And, if the person who brought this point up in the first place at LA.pm
could speak up and maybe talk about what you were thinking that would be
great.

Aran
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From samy at fonality.com  Tue May  4 17:21:53 2010
From: samy at fonality.com (Samy Kamkar)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 17:21:53 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Perl Flagship Applications
In-Reply-To: <j2r24bb5cf91005041703x24bd93b4gccd06dd433c886c9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <j2r24bb5cf91005041703x24bd93b4gccd06dd433c886c9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <h2n5e884e2a1005041721wc1b93812oa54699021f91153f@mail.gmail.com>

Some other biggies:

RT, Webmin, Bugzilla, Majordomo, AWStats, SpamAssassin, OpenWebMail, WebGUI

2010/5/4 Aran Deltac <bluefeet at gmail.com>

> So, at the end of LA.pm this month one of our fellow mongers (I forget his
> name, sorry) was talking about how he wished there were more "flagship" Perl
> applications that could illustrate the power of perl to a more general
> audience.  PHP has Drupal, Wordpress, Mediawiki, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.
> Java has Hadoop, Cassandra, etc, etc, etc.  These flagship applications
> provide the underlying language an automatic approval to the users of those
> applications.  People who do not code in PHP or Java know of these
> applications and what language they were written in because these
> application proudly state what language(s) they are using.  This means that
> managers, etc, are exposed to these languages as providing high quality and
> highly complex software.
>
> So, what I'm wondering is, what does perl have?
>
> I know of one off the top of my head:  TWiki (http://twiki.org/)
>
> I'm sure there are more.  Melody (the really open source version of Movable
> Type) will fall in this list once its released, I'm hoping.
>
> And, if the person who brought this point up in the first place at LA.pm
> could speak up and maybe talk about what you were thinking that would be
> great.
>
> Aran
>
> _______________________________________________
> Losangeles-pm mailing list
> Losangeles-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm
>
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From david.davis at gmail.com  Tue May  4 17:44:28 2010
From: david.davis at gmail.com (David Davis)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 20:44:28 -0400
Subject: [LA.pm] Perl Flagship Applications
In-Reply-To: <h2n5e884e2a1005041721wc1b93812oa54699021f91153f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <j2r24bb5cf91005041703x24bd93b4gccd06dd433c886c9@mail.gmail.com>
	<h2n5e884e2a1005041721wc1b93812oa54699021f91153f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <u2j89f5393a1005041744wb4a6e9d9s18007eac6978fee3@mail.gmail.com>

cPanel, Perlbal, MogileFS, Movable Type, Slash (Slashdot)

David Davis
? Software Engineer
http://xant.us/
http://xantus.tel/


2010/5/4 Samy Kamkar <samy at fonality.com>

> Some other biggies:
>
> RT, Webmin, Bugzilla, Majordomo, AWStats, SpamAssassin, OpenWebMail, WebGUI
>
> 2010/5/4 Aran Deltac <bluefeet at gmail.com>
>
>> So, at the end of LA.pm this month one of our fellow mongers (I forget his
>> name, sorry) was talking about how he wished there were more "flagship" Perl
>> applications that could illustrate the power of perl to a more general
>> audience.  PHP has Drupal, Wordpress, Mediawiki, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.
>> Java has Hadoop, Cassandra, etc, etc, etc.  These flagship applications
>> provide the underlying language an automatic approval to the users of those
>> applications.  People who do not code in PHP or Java know of these
>> applications and what language they were written in because these
>> application proudly state what language(s) they are using.  This means that
>> managers, etc, are exposed to these languages as providing high quality and
>> highly complex software.
>>
>> So, what I'm wondering is, what does perl have?
>>
>> I know of one off the top of my head:  TWiki (http://twiki.org/)
>>
>> I'm sure there are more.  Melody (the really open source version of
>> Movable Type) will fall in this list once its released, I'm hoping.
>>
>> And, if the person who brought this point up in the first place at LA.pm
>> could speak up and maybe talk about what you were thinking that would be
>> great.
>>
>> Aran
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Losangeles-pm mailing list
>> Losangeles-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Losangeles-pm at pm.org
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From xantus at xantus.org  Tue May  4 17:54:20 2010
From: xantus at xantus.org (David Davis)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 20:54:20 -0400
Subject: [LA.pm] Perl Flagship Applications
In-Reply-To: <h2n5e884e2a1005041721wc1b93812oa54699021f91153f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <j2r24bb5cf91005041703x24bd93b4gccd06dd433c886c9@mail.gmail.com>
	<h2n5e884e2a1005041721wc1b93812oa54699021f91153f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <l2y89f5393a1005041754q8d9c9f86t699da768136711b7@mail.gmail.com>

cPanel, Perlbal, MogileFS, Movable Type, Slash (Slashdot)

David Davis
? Software Engineer
http://xant.us/
http://xantus.tel/


2010/5/4 Samy Kamkar <samy at fonality.com>

> Some other biggies:
>
> RT, Webmin, Bugzilla, Majordomo, AWStats, SpamAssassin, OpenWebMail, WebGUI
>
> 2010/5/4 Aran Deltac <bluefeet at gmail.com>
>
>> So, at the end of LA.pm this month one of our fellow mongers (I forget his
>> name, sorry) was talking about how he wished there were more "flagship" Perl
>> applications that could illustrate the power of perl to a more general
>> audience.  PHP has Drupal, Wordpress, Mediawiki, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.
>> Java has Hadoop, Cassandra, etc, etc, etc.  These flagship applications
>> provide the underlying language an automatic approval to the users of those
>> applications.  People who do not code in PHP or Java know of these
>> applications and what language they were written in because these
>> application proudly state what language(s) they are using.  This means that
>> managers, etc, are exposed to these languages as providing high quality and
>> highly complex software.
>>
>> So, what I'm wondering is, what does perl have?
>>
>> I know of one off the top of my head:  TWiki (http://twiki.org/)
>>
>> I'm sure there are more.  Melody (the really open source version of
>> Movable Type) will fall in this list once its released, I'm hoping.
>>
>> And, if the person who brought this point up in the first place at LA.pm
>> could speak up and maybe talk about what you were thinking that would be
>> great.
>>
>> Aran
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Losangeles-pm mailing list
>> Losangeles-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Losangeles-pm mailing list
> Losangeles-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm
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From andy at petdance.com  Tue May  4 17:57:47 2010
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 19:57:47 -0500
Subject: [LA.pm] Perl Flagship Applications
In-Reply-To: <l2y89f5393a1005041754q8d9c9f86t699da768136711b7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <j2r24bb5cf91005041703x24bd93b4gccd06dd433c886c9@mail.gmail.com>
	<h2n5e884e2a1005041721wc1b93812oa54699021f91153f@mail.gmail.com>
	<l2y89f5393a1005041754q8d9c9f86t699da768136711b7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <83659346-0DFC-448F-8803-56FA5143ABBD@petdance.com>


On May 4, 2010, at 7:54 PM, David Davis wrote:

> cPanel, Perlbal, MogileFS, Movable Type, Slash (Slashdot)

Webmin

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.theworkinggeek.com => AIM:petdance





From tommystanton at gmail.com  Tue May  4 18:15:01 2010
From: tommystanton at gmail.com (Tommy Stanton)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 18:15:01 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Perl Flagship Applications
In-Reply-To: <83659346-0DFC-448F-8803-56FA5143ABBD@petdance.com>
References: <j2r24bb5cf91005041703x24bd93b4gccd06dd433c886c9@mail.gmail.com>
	<h2n5e884e2a1005041721wc1b93812oa54699021f91153f@mail.gmail.com>
	<l2y89f5393a1005041754q8d9c9f86t699da768136711b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<83659346-0DFC-448F-8803-56FA5143ABBD@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <i2x2e0b15381005041815rac8b6b40z757b7b995ef202ff@mail.gmail.com>

Gitweb
https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Gitweb

An interesting list of other Perl-powered applications:
http://perl.net.au/wiki/Perl_applications

Some other interesting projects...
Yawns CMS:
http://www.debian-administration.org/Code/

ikiwiki:
http://ikiwiki.info/

-Tommy

On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:
>
> On May 4, 2010, at 7:54 PM, David Davis wrote:
>
>> cPanel, Perlbal, MogileFS, Movable Type, Slash (Slashdot)
>
> Webmin
>
> --
> Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.theworkinggeek.com => AIM:petdance
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Losangeles-pm mailing list
> Losangeles-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm
>

From ron at endpoint.com  Tue May  4 20:51:22 2010
From: ron at endpoint.com (Ron Phipps)
Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 20:51:22 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Perl Flagship Applications
In-Reply-To: <h2n5e884e2a1005041721wc1b93812oa54699021f91153f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <j2r24bb5cf91005041703x24bd93b4gccd06dd433c886c9@mail.gmail.com>
	<h2n5e884e2a1005041721wc1b93812oa54699021f91153f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4BE0EB3A.2000703@endpoint.com>

> 2010/5/4 Aran Deltac <bluefeet at gmail.com <mailto:bluefeet at gmail.com>>
> 
>     So, at the end of LA.pm this month one of our fellow mongers (I
>     forget his name, sorry) was talking about how he wished there were
>     more "flagship" Perl applications that could illustrate the power of
>     perl to a more general audience.  PHP has Drupal, Wordpress,
>     Mediawiki, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.  Java has Hadoop, Cassandra,
>     etc, etc, etc.  These flagship applications provide the underlying
>     language an automatic approval to the users of those applications. 
>     People who do not code in PHP or Java know of these applications and
>     what language they were written in because these application proudly
>     state what language(s) they are using.  This means that managers,
>     etc, are exposed to these languages as providing high quality and
>     highly complex software.
> 
>     So, what I'm wondering is, what does perl have?
> 
>     I know of one off the top of my head:  TWiki (http://twiki.org/)
> 
>     I'm sure there are more.  Melody (the really open source version of
>     Movable Type) will fall in this list once its released, I'm hoping.
> 
>     And, if the person who brought this point up in the first place at
>     LA.pm could speak up and maybe talk about what you were thinking
>     that would be great.
> 
>     Aran
> 


One e-commerce platform that we build sites on at End Point is called 
Interchange (www.icdevgroup.org) and is written in Perl.  Some sites 
that run on this system include:

http://www.backcountry.com
http://www.citypass.com
http://www.frozencpu.com
http://www.flor.com

Interchange includes a demo store, however the power of the system is 
really in the ability to do whatever you need to do in Perl and leverage 
CPAN.  Interchange doesn't get a whole lot in the way of press, but 
there are many sites doing large amounts of orders on this platform.


-- 
Ron Phipps
End Point Corporation
ron at endpoint.com

From alex at acatysmoof.com  Wed May  5 01:09:01 2010
From: alex at acatysmoof.com (Alex Teslik)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 01:09:01 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Perl Flagship Applications
In-Reply-To: <j2r24bb5cf91005041703x24bd93b4gccd06dd433c886c9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <j2r24bb5cf91005041703x24bd93b4gccd06dd433c886c9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100505073213.M81067@acatysmoof.com>

On Tue, 4 May 2010 17:03:34 -0700, Aran Deltac wrote
> So, at the end of LA.pm this month one of our fellow mongers (I 
> forget his name, sorry) was talking about how he wished there were 
> more "flagship" Perl applications that could illustrate the power of 
> perl to a more general audience.  PHP has Drupal, Wordpress, 
> Mediawiki, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc. Java has Hadoop, Cassandra, etc, 
> etc, etc.  These flagship applications provide the underlying 
> language an automatic approval to the users of those applications. 
>  People who do not code in PHP or Java know of these applications 
> and what language they were written in because these application 
> proudly state what language(s) they are using.  This means that 
> managers, etc, are exposed to these languages as providing high 
> quality and highly complex software.
> 
> So, what I'm wondering is, what does perl have?
> 
> I know of one off the top of my head:  TWiki (http://twiki.org/)
> 
> I'm sure there are more.  Melody (the really open source version of Movable
> Type) will fall in this list once its released, I'm hoping.
> 
> And, if the person who brought this point up in the first place at LA.pm
> could speak up and maybe talk about what you were thinking that 
> would be great.
> 
> Aran


   Sheepishly, I am the guilty one who brought this up. I brought it up
because I feel there has been a large shift in the perception of Perl, and
that bothers me.

   In my opinion, Perl perception has shifted in the last 5 or so years from
"that software that runs Yahoo and a lot of the internet" to "that old
scripting language that nobody uses anymore". My argument to Aran was that one
of the root causes of that perception is that Perl is no longer "best of
breed" for the applications that people - *average people* - decide to use.
When I say average people, I'm talking about the guys who aren't gurus. The
ones who have mabye setup their first server and are looking to take some
software for a spin. They don't have an opinion yet, but they're forming one.
So they go looking for a blog app. Or a webmail. Or a photo app. Perl has
decent offerings to be sure... but they don't look as polished as the PHP,
Ruby, or Python apps. So the average guy installs the others.

   As time progresses, he has to hack here and there and slowly learns those
other languages. Not because he purposely set out to do it, but because that's
what the best of breed apps were written in at the time. He didn't *not*
choose Perl on purpose, but it happened. Now he's above average and he goes
looking for the next level stuff like a CMS. Or a bugtracker. Or a wiki. Or a
mailing list manager. Again, Perl has decent offerings... but a lot of it is
trapped in tables or custom markup languages. The other offerings separate
logic and presentation so he can adapt the code for his site with less effort.
In short, the Perl stuff feels old. Worse, the Perl stuff looks old.

   By and by, that average guy eventually becomes the next lead developer. But
he's not developing on Perl because the best of breed apps weren't Perl when
he first needed something. Perl suffers. Even though it is equally capable to
all the other languages, it's not attracting the talent.

   So my point in the parking lot that night was less, "What are the flagship
Perl apps?", but more "Why are the flagship Perl apps no longer the best of
breed?"

Thanks,
Alex



From alex at acatysmoof.com  Fri May  7 23:18:03 2010
From: alex at acatysmoof.com (Alex Teslik)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 23:18:03 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] CCTLDs
Message-ID: <20100508060533.M21891@acatysmoof.com>

"Net regulator ICANN has switched on a system that allows full web addresses
that contain no Latin characters":

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/10100108.stm

I'd be interested in hearing people's thoughts on how this will impact Perl
development.

Thanks,
Alex

From tommystanton at gmail.com  Sat May  8 01:20:16 2010
From: tommystanton at gmail.com (Tommy Stanton)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 01:20:16 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] CCTLDs
In-Reply-To: <20100508060533.M21891@acatysmoof.com>
References: <20100508060533.M21891@acatysmoof.com>
Message-ID: <m2n2e0b15381005080120va24f2b3cn298d15d895e206a9@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know about the impact of Perl development directly, but it's
also interesting to read people's responses in this related article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8334630.stm

I too am curious about what the Perl community will think.  The way
that unicode is discussed in the Camel book suggests that the
community might be alright with this sort of thing.

It seems to me that this will lead to a "Tower of Babel" situation.
Heck, there are already too many programming languages. =P

-Tommy

On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Alex Teslik <alex at acatysmoof.com> wrote:
> "Net regulator ICANN has switched on a system that allows full web addresses
> that contain no Latin characters":
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/10100108.stm
>
> I'd be interested in hearing people's thoughts on how this will impact Perl
> development.
>
> Thanks,
> Alex
> _______________________________________________
> Losangeles-pm mailing list
> Losangeles-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm
>

From lembark at wrkhors.com  Sat May  8 06:32:29 2010
From: lembark at wrkhors.com (Steven Lembark)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 09:32:29 -0400
Subject: [LA.pm] CCTLDs
In-Reply-To: <m2n2e0b15381005080120va24f2b3cn298d15d895e206a9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100508060533.M21891@acatysmoof.com>
	<m2n2e0b15381005080120va24f2b3cn298d15d895e206a9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100508093229.39c6ee3blembark@wrkhors.com@wrkhors.com>

On Sat, 8 May 2010 01:20:16 -0700
Tommy Stanton <tommystanton at gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't know about the impact of Perl development directly, but it's
> also interesting to read people's responses in this related article:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8334630.stm
> 
> I too am curious about what the Perl community will think.  The way
> that unicode is discussed in the Camel book suggests that the
> community might be alright with this sort of thing.
> 
> It seems to me that this will lead to a "Tower of Babel" situation.
> Heck, there are already too many programming languages. =P

Most people have liked unicode, just never used 
it. Sort of like Apple Pie: you gotta like it to
be American, even if you can't eat the stuff.

Now that people will have to actually use it we 
may get better support and probably nicer modules
to deal with the URI's.

-- 
Steven Lembark                                          85-09 90th St.
Workhorse Computing                               Woodhaven, NY, 11421
lembark at wrkhors.com                                    +1 888 359 3508

From gshaw at acm.org  Sat May  8 15:43:56 2010
From: gshaw at acm.org (Guy Shaw)
Date: Sat, 08 May 2010 15:43:56 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Paper on Cassandra
Message-ID: <4BE5E92C.9040601@acm.org>


The latest issue of Operating Systems Review contains
a paper on Cassandra.

  Title: Cassandra -- A Decentralized Structured Storage System
  Author: Avinash Lakshman
  Author: Prashant Malik
  Publication: Operating Systems Review, Vol 44, No 2, 2010-April
  Publisher: Association for Computing Machinery
  Page: 35

The authors are both from Facebook.

I found a stand-alone PDF version, here:

  http://www.cs.cornell.edu/projects/ladis2009/papers/lakshman-ladis2009.pdf


-- Guy Shaw


From tommystanton at gmail.com  Sat May  8 23:59:29 2010
From: tommystanton at gmail.com (Tommy Stanton)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 23:59:29 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Code and slides from my "Sync Your ~ With Git" presentation
Message-ID: <p2k2e0b15381005082359jc002fddfra0cf7f406d14b2a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi LA & TO Mongers,
     I wanted to send along a link to the presentation I gave a little
while back at both LA.pm and TO.pm (tarball of everything, or
slideshow quick view):
http://tommystanton.com/presentations/20100430-Tommy_Stanton-Sync_Your_~_With_Git.tar.gz
http://tommystanton.com/presentations/20100430-Tommy_Stanton-Sync_Your_~_With_Git/

I refactored my git-home-sync program in accordance with the "Rule of
Representation" [1], utilizing the power of Perl's hash data structure
and subroutine references.

My "Advanced TDD" presentation can also be found at this index:
http://tommystanton.com/presentations/

-Tommy

[1] http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/taoup/html/ch01s06.html#id2878263

From agrangaard at rubiconproject.com  Tue May 25 11:58:04 2010
From: agrangaard at rubiconproject.com (Andrew Grangaard)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 11:58:04 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] LA.PM meeting Wednesday May 26 (tomorrow)
Message-ID: <4BFC1DBC.30000@rubiconproject.com>

Dear Mongers,

This months' meeting is tomorrow, Wednesday May 26th.  We're taking the 
show on the road and meeting at Language Weaver.

http://la.pm.org has been updated with details
( webdav ate the old page, doh).

What:  Los Angeles Perl Mongers Meeting
When:  7-9pm
Date:  Wednesday, May 26, 2010
Where: Language Weaver
        6060 Center Drive, Suite 150,
        LA,CA, 90045

Presentations:

   David Williams : TBA
   Samy Kamkar: Extremely low-level networking in perl


Samy will be presenting next month at YAPC.  Please come help him 
practice to a packed house.  I think Brad at language weaver may be making 
us dinner? I'll let him confirm or deny that rumor.

See you tomorrow!

Thanks,
Andrew Grangaard

----
http://la.pm.org
http://www.lowlevelmanager.com

From blittlefield at languageweaver.com  Tue May 25 12:13:49 2010
From: blittlefield at languageweaver.com (Brad Littlefield)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 14:13:49 -0500
Subject: [LA.pm] LA.PM meeting Wednesday May 26 (tomorrow)
In-Reply-To: <4BFC1DBC.30000@rubiconproject.com>
References: <4BFC1DBC.30000@rubiconproject.com>
Message-ID: <C3AD6464AC81DC4AB14FFEA31391866A79076B8441@AUSP01VMBX08.collaborationhost.net>

Hello All,

We're happy to welcome Perl Mongers to our office, and yes, we will be "cooking" a nice spread from Panda Express!  Parking is available, directly across the street from our office at The Promenade, for only $2.


Warmest regards,
?

Bradley Littlefield | Technical Recruiter
Language Weaver, Inc. | 6060 Center Drive, Suite 150 | Los Angeles, CA 90045
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From: losangeles-pm-bounces+blittlefield=languageweaver.com at pm.org [mailto:losangeles-pm-bounces+blittlefield=languageweaver.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Grangaard
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 11:58 AM
To: Los Angeles Perl Mongers; Andrew Grangaard; engineerging at rubiconproject.com
Subject: [LA.pm] LA.PM meeting Wednesday May 26 (tomorrow)

Dear Mongers,

This months' meeting is tomorrow, Wednesday May 26th.  We're taking the 
show on the road and meeting at Language Weaver.

http://la.pm.org has been updated with details
( webdav ate the old page, doh).

What:  Los Angeles Perl Mongers Meeting
When:  7-9pm
Date:  Wednesday, May 26, 2010
Where: Language Weaver
        6060 Center Drive, Suite 150,
        LA,CA, 90045

Presentations:

   David Williams : TBA
   Samy Kamkar: Extremely low-level networking in perl


Samy will be presenting next month at YAPC.  Please come help him 
practice to a packed house.  I think Brad at language weaver may be making 
us dinner? I'll let him confirm or deny that rumor.

See you tomorrow!

Thanks,
Andrew Grangaard

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From geeksatlarge at yahoo.com  Tue May 25 21:26:43 2010
From: geeksatlarge at yahoo.com (Ron Smith)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 21:26:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [LA.pm] (no subject)
Message-ID: <670675.94204.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

http://dehafum.angelfire.com/

From bluefeet at gmail.com  Tue May 25 21:30:56 2010
From: bluefeet at gmail.com (Aran Deltac)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 21:30:56 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <670675.94204.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
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GAH don't click it!  Medication SPAM!

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 9:26 PM, Ron Smith <geeksatlarge at yahoo.com> wrote:

> http://dehafum.angelfire.com/
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From samy at samy.pl  Tue May 25 21:44:39 2010
From: samy at samy.pl (Samy Kamkar)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 21:44:39 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimRZB05jWLGdyoZGGFpapbf19u-2FhCn2_HcKBb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <670675.94204.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTimRZB05jWLGdyoZGGFpapbf19u-2FhCn2_HcKBb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimM8pn7N3Xkra3dr74qJDiO4M4yAxKFjCg_rivY@mail.gmail.com>

Why not? I just got a *great* deal on Xanax! Just kidding. It was a terrible
deal.

Hope to see you all out tomorrow at the meeting! A little more of an
abstract of my talk is below. I won't be getting very detailed unless anyone
is interested in specifics, but will more be going over what we can do and
the basics of how.

Extremely Low-Level Networking (and other low-level system stuff) in pure
Perl:

Low-level networking can be a powerful and invaluable method for either
solving problems or wreaking havoc. This talk will examine system-level
functions in Perl and very low-level methods to interface with packet
sniffing and packet injection technologies in pure Perl, even without
dependencies such as libpcap, libnet, drugs, alcohol, or XS.

You'll learn how to develop portable versions of system-level applications
such as ifconfig, netstat, sysctl, arp, lsof, etc. We'll also go over
various examples of portable, pure Perl implementations and the
underpinnings of network protocols, tools, and attacks such as DNS spoofing,
ARP spoofing, packet sniffing, and reading your girlfriend's emails. It's
suggested that everyone avoid using the Internet during this time.

2010/5/25 Aran Deltac <bluefeet at gmail.com>

> GAH don't click it!  Medication SPAM!
>
> On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 9:26 PM, Ron Smith <geeksatlarge at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> http://dehafum.angelfire.com/
>> _______________________________________________
>> Losangeles-pm mailing list
>> Losangeles-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm
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From agrangaard at rubiconproject.com  Wed May 26 08:57:03 2010
From: agrangaard at rubiconproject.com (Andrew Grangaard)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 11:57:03 -0400
Subject: [LA.pm] The Perl Survey 2010 is now live
Message-ID: <A8A3340A1D68D94CB65744935483C8770198FC88@BE38.exg3.exghost.com>


 From: Kieren Diment

The Perl Survey 2010 is now live.  Its purpose is to better understand
the demographics and opinions of the Perl community.  You can complete
the survey at http://survey.perlfoundation.org - it should take about
10 to 15 minutes.  Once you've done that, please let your relevant
friends and colleagues know about the survey so they can coplete it as
well.  My aim is to get a response of over 1000 individuals, and to
run the survey (lightly adapted) every two or three years so we can
see how the community changes over time.  The official announcement of
the survey is here:

http://news.perlfoundation.org/2010/05/grant-update-the-perl-survey-1.ht
ml

[Andrew Grangaard] 
0) This is a well put together survey that looks like it has a good
methodology, not just a survey-monkey one-off.  It'll take a good 15-20
minutes.
1) captcha required (boo)
2) The survey is a bit clever with jscript/html and prevented me from
filling it out on my iphone browser.

From agrangaard at rubiconproject.com  Wed May 26 14:58:03 2010
From: agrangaard at rubiconproject.com (Andrew Grangaard)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 14:58:03 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Call for speaker tonight!
Message-ID: <4BFD996B.1010704@rubiconproject.com>

We (likely) have an open slot for presentation tonight! This is your chance!

David has just informed me that he's going to be stuck at work tonight 
and won't be able to come present.  If you have something (small or 
large) you'd like to present (maybe you're getting ready for YAPC or 
OSCON) for part of the slot, then let me know, or just show up ready to 
present!

I don't think I have any presentations ready-to-go at the moment.  Maybe 
we'll do a live code-a-thon on some of the tools needed by la.pm.org (an 
offline web generator for the home page, for ex) or a discussion based 
chat period.  Bring your thinking caps and your questions.

--Andrew

From geekhunter at gmail.com  Wed May 26 15:26:39 2010
From: geekhunter at gmail.com (Todd Cranston-Cuebas)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 15:26:39 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Call for speaker tonight!
In-Reply-To: <4BFD996B.1010704@rubiconproject.com>
References: <4BFD996B.1010704@rubiconproject.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinaVcR5-cAuuIivl90mLFiWYRxxIeIFxOmk6ovD@mail.gmail.com>

OK, totally unrelated, but I had to say it... I totally envy you guys and
gals who get to go to YAPC and OSCON! Miss the energy!

Todd


On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Andrew Grangaard <
agrangaard at rubiconproject.com> wrote:

> We (likely) have an open slot for presentation tonight! This is your
> chance!
>
> David has just informed me that he's going to be stuck at work tonight and
> won't be able to come present.  If you have something (small or large) you'd
> like to present (maybe you're getting ready for YAPC or OSCON) for part of
> the slot, then let me know, or just show up ready to present!
>
> I don't think I have any presentations ready-to-go at the moment.  Maybe
> we'll do a live code-a-thon on some of the tools needed by la.pm.org (an
> offline web generator for the home page, for ex) or a discussion based chat
> period.  Bring your thinking caps and your questions.
>
> --Andrew
> _______________________________________________
> Losangeles-pm mailing list
> Losangeles-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm
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From agrangaard at rubiconproject.com  Wed May 26 18:23:52 2010
From: agrangaard at rubiconproject.com (Andrew Grangaard)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 18:23:52 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Spot Filled: Re:  Call for speaker tonight!
In-Reply-To: <86k4qq48j6.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>
References: <4BFD996B.1010704@rubiconproject.com>	<86ocg248l6.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>
	<86k4qq48j6.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>
Message-ID: <4BFDC9A8.4020903@rubiconproject.com>

Spot filled.  Randall is making the trek out from downtown to talk about 
"Forget the ORM".  Or maybe he'll just talk about the state of rail 
transportation in LA?

See ya all in 40 minutes down at Language Weaver.

  Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
>>>>>> "Randal" == Randal L Schwartz <merlyn at stonehenge.com> writes:
> 
> Randal> Oddly enough, I'm in town.  I wasn't even watching the announcements.
> Randal> I have no ride though, stuck in DTLA.
> 
> Randal> Maybe I could present something... I'd have to dig up one of my
> Randal> hour-talks.
> 
> Ahh, my "forget the ORM!" talk I gave at Infotec last month of a survey
> about non-relational databases.
> 


From samy at samy.pl  Sat May 29 12:41:36 2010
From: samy at samy.pl (Samy Kamkar)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 12:41:36 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] LA.PM meeting Wednesday May 26 (tomorrow)
In-Reply-To: <4BFC1DBC.30000@rubiconproject.com>
References: <4BFC1DBC.30000@rubiconproject.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinanmEWQDtjx5MCCfpjwX4kMlh1w9J18Gkh-QJy@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for coming all!

As promised, the presentation is available here:
http://samy.pl/talks/2010-05-lapm.ppt

Packet, the module, is available:
http://samy.pl/packet

And the NAT-to-NAT client-server penetration tool I developed and briefly
went over:
http://samy.pl/pwnat

Thanks!
-samy

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Andrew Grangaard <
agrangaard at rubiconproject.com> wrote:

> Dear Mongers,
>
> This months' meeting is tomorrow, Wednesday May 26th.  We're taking the
> show on the road and meeting at Language Weaver.
>
> http://la.pm.org has been updated with details
> ( webdav ate the old page, doh).
>
> What:  Los Angeles Perl Mongers Meeting
> When:  7-9pm
> Date:  Wednesday, May 26, 2010
> Where: Language Weaver
>       6060 Center Drive, Suite 150,
>       LA,CA, 90045
>
> Presentations:
>
>  David Williams : TBA
>  Samy Kamkar: Extremely low-level networking in perl
>
>
> Samy will be presenting next month at YAPC.  Please come help him practice
> to a packed house.  I think Brad at language weaver may be making us dinner?
> I'll let him confirm or deny that rumor.
>
> See you tomorrow!
>
> Thanks,
> Andrew Grangaard
>
> ----
> http://la.pm.org
> http://www.lowlevelmanager.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Losangeles-pm mailing list
> Losangeles-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm
>
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