From jordan at JordanColeman.com  Wed May  6 20:27:26 2009
From: jordan at JordanColeman.com (Jordan Coleman)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 20:27:26 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Is Perl alive in Los Angeles?
Message-ID: <47256B3C-C9DA-4DC0-AE56-ECD04840DA1B@JordanColeman.com>

So, is LosAngeles.pm alive?  Just moved to the area from New York,  
having been a member of NY.pm for something like a decade.  I'm hoping  
to meet some folks from the local Perl community.

Briefest of intros:  I design custom embedded and control systems for  
the experiential entertainment industry (theme parks, cruise ships,  
museums, etc.).  Perl is my primary thinking language and, in fact,  
ends up being the main workhorse of many of my clients' projects.   
Among my claims to fame, I've used Perl inside numerous embedded  
(diskless, headless, fanless) devices that I've built for my clients  
over the years, including a custom 802.11 transciever bolted to the  
antenna mast of a 148-foot private yacht.

++J


From btilly at gmail.com  Wed May  6 21:38:09 2009
From: btilly at gmail.com (Ben Tilly)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 21:38:09 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Is Perl alive in Los Angeles?
In-Reply-To: <47256B3C-C9DA-4DC0-AE56-ECD04840DA1B@JordanColeman.com>
References: <47256B3C-C9DA-4DC0-AE56-ECD04840DA1B@JordanColeman.com>
Message-ID: <acc274b30905062138u553fa2e8k96220692ee74e6cd@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Jordan Coleman <jordan at jordancoleman.com> wrote:
> So, is LosAngeles.pm alive? ?Just moved to the area from New York, having
> been a member of NY.pm for something like a decade. ?I'm hoping to meet some
> folks from the local Perl community.

Your title and first paragraph have different answers.  Perl, the
language, is alive and well.  LA.pm has not been very active in the
last year.  But judging by past experience, if anyone steps up and
arranges a meeting, lots of people show.

> Briefest of intros: ?I design custom embedded and control systems for the
> experiential entertainment industry (theme parks, cruise ships, museums,
> etc.). ?Perl is my primary thinking language and, in fact, ends up being the
> main workhorse of many of my clients' projects. ?Among my claims to fame,
> I've used Perl inside numerous embedded (diskless, headless, fanless)
> devices that I've built for my clients over the years, including a custom
> 802.11 transciever bolted to the antenna mast of a 148-foot private yacht.

That sounds fun.  Most of the Perl people I know, including myself,
are in the web space.

Cheers,
Ben

From alex at acatysmoof.com  Wed May  6 22:07:19 2009
From: alex at acatysmoof.com (Alex Teslik)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 22:07:19 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Is Perl alive in Los Angeles?
In-Reply-To: <47256B3C-C9DA-4DC0-AE56-ECD04840DA1B@JordanColeman.com>
References: <47256B3C-C9DA-4DC0-AE56-ECD04840DA1B@JordanColeman.com>
Message-ID: <20090507045413.M23253@acatysmoof.com>

Very much so. I use Perl daily at an animation company as all purpose pipeline
putty. At night I hack around on the OpenWebMail project
(http://openwebmail.acatysmoof.com). I'm not a coder for a living, but I use
Perl to get things done. I really enjoy it's artistic aspects (timtowtdi and
such).

Things have been quiet around here lately, but I wouldn't mind hearing more
about the embedded systems. Sounds interesting. Welcome.


On Wed, 6 May 2009 20:27:26 -0700, Jordan Coleman wrote
> So, is LosAngeles.pm alive?  Just moved to the area from New York,  
> having been a member of NY.pm for something like a decade.  I'm 
> hoping  to meet some folks from the local Perl community.
> 
> Briefest of intros:  I design custom embedded and control systems 
> for  the experiential entertainment industry (theme parks, cruise 
> ships,  museums, etc.).  Perl is my primary thinking language and, 
> in fact,  ends up being the main workhorse of many of my clients' 
> projects.   Among my claims to fame, I've used Perl inside numerous 
> embedded  
> (diskless, headless, fanless) devices that I've built for my clients 
>  over the years, including a custom 802.11 transciever bolted to the 
>  antenna mast of a 148-foot private yacht.
> 
> ++J
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Losangeles-pm mailing list
> Losangeles-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm


From merlyn at stonehenge.com  Thu May  7 07:33:39 2009
From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 07:33:39 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Is Perl alive in Los Angeles?
In-Reply-To: <acc274b30905062138u553fa2e8k96220692ee74e6cd@mail.gmail.com>
	(Ben Tilly's message of "Wed, 6 May 2009 21:38:09 -0700")
References: <47256B3C-C9DA-4DC0-AE56-ECD04840DA1B@JordanColeman.com>
	<acc274b30905062138u553fa2e8k96220692ee74e6cd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <867i0thtj0.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>

>>>>> "Ben" == Ben Tilly <btilly at gmail.com> writes:

Ben> Your title and first paragraph have different answers.  Perl, the
Ben> language, is alive and well.  LA.pm has not been very active in the
Ben> last year.  But judging by past experience, if anyone steps up and
Ben> arranges a meeting, lots of people show.

I'll be making trips to LA to service a long-term client from time
to time.  I'll be sure to drop by if it coincides with a meeting.

-- 
Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095
<merlyn at stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside discussion

From zrusilla at mac.com  Thu May  7 09:04:01 2009
From: zrusilla at mac.com (Elizabeth Cortell)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 09:04:01 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Is Perl alive in Los Angeles?
Message-ID: <77113506934811686594231241044089004986-Webmail@me.com>

Welcome to Los Angeles.pm, Jordan.  I suppose we are all too busy using Perl to get our jobs done to plan meetings.  Perhaps we can hold a little get-together to welcome our newest monger. Anyone up for a drink?

Cheers

Liz


From jordan at JordanColeman.com  Thu May  7 09:23:45 2009
From: jordan at JordanColeman.com (Jordan Coleman)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 09:23:45 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Is Perl alive in Los Angeles?
In-Reply-To: <77113506934811686594231241044089004986-Webmail@me.com>
References: <77113506934811686594231241044089004986-Webmail@me.com>
Message-ID: <317B14A9-8FBF-4A59-A24E-25A5AAE87056@JordanColeman.com>

On May 7, 2009, at 9:04 AM, Elizabeth Cortell wrote:

> Welcome to Los Angeles.pm, Jordan.  I suppose we are all too busy  
> using Perl to get our jobs done to plan meetings.  Perhaps we can  
> hold a little get-together to welcome our newest monger. Anyone up  
> for a drink?

Great to see a bunch of responses.  I'd be up for a get-together if  
folks are available.  Not really familiar enough with the area yet to  
suggest a place, but I'm open to anything.  I live up in Santa Clarita  
(near Magic Mountain), and I'm in the Burbank area almost every day,  
but I'm willing to travel wherever for a meet up (but not for a  
"Meetup").

++J


From zrusilla at mac.com  Thu May  7 09:28:38 2009
From: zrusilla at mac.com (Elizabeth Cortell)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 09:28:38 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Is Perl alive in Los Angeles?
In-Reply-To: <317B14A9-8FBF-4A59-A24E-25A5AAE87056@JordanColeman.com>
References: <77113506934811686594231241044089004986-Webmail@me.com>
	<317B14A9-8FBF-4A59-A24E-25A5AAE87056@JordanColeman.com>
Message-ID: <36433154690128421058957404208511658413-Webmail@me.com>

Sounds good. 

When are you all free?
Where are you located?
What watering hole do you all suggest? 

Cheers

Liz



On Thursday, May 07, 2009, at 09:23AM, "Jordan Coleman" <jordan at JordanColeman.com> wrote:
>On May 7, 2009, at 9:04 AM, Elizabeth Cortell wrote:
>
>> Welcome to Los Angeles.pm, Jordan.  I suppose we are all too busy  
>> using Perl to get our jobs done to plan meetings.  Perhaps we can  
>> hold a little get-together to welcome our newest monger. Anyone up  
>> for a drink?
>
>Great to see a bunch of responses.  I'd be up for a get-together if  
>folks are available.  Not really familiar enough with the area yet to  
>suggest a place, but I'm open to anything.  I live up in Santa Clarita  
>(near Magic Mountain), and I'm in the Burbank area almost every day,  
>but I'm willing to travel wherever for a meet up (but not for a  
>"Meetup").
>
>++J
>
>_______________________________________________
>Losangeles-pm mailing list
>Losangeles-pm at pm.org
>http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm
>
>

From merlyn at stonehenge.com  Thu May  7 09:33:39 2009
From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 09:33:39 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Is Perl alive in Los Angeles?
In-Reply-To: <317B14A9-8FBF-4A59-A24E-25A5AAE87056@JordanColeman.com> (Jordan
	Coleman's message of "Thu, 7 May 2009 09:23:45 -0700")
References: <77113506934811686594231241044089004986-Webmail@me.com>
	<317B14A9-8FBF-4A59-A24E-25A5AAE87056@JordanColeman.com>
Message-ID: <86ljp8hnz0.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>

>>>>> "Jordan" == Jordan Coleman <jordan at JordanColeman.com> writes:

Jordan> Great to see a bunch of responses.  I'd be up for a get-together if  folks are
Jordan> available.  Not really familiar enough with the area yet to  suggest a place,
Jordan> but I'm open to anything.  I live up in Santa Clarita  (near Magic Mountain),
Jordan> and I'm in the Burbank area almost every day,  but I'm willing to travel
Jordan> wherever for a meet up (but not for a  "Meetup").

If you're that far up, you might check out the Thousand Oaks
mongers as well.


-- 
Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095
<merlyn at stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside discussion

From ask at develooper.com  Thu May  7 09:41:20 2009
From: ask at develooper.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ask_Bj=F8rn_Hansen?=)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 09:41:20 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Is Perl alive in Los Angeles?
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References: <77113506934811686594231241044089004986-Webmail@me.com>
	<317B14A9-8FBF-4A59-A24E-25A5AAE87056@JordanColeman.com>
	<36433154690128421058957404208511658413-Webmail@me.com>
Message-ID: <23638848-0BB1-485D-A864-07CA80B7F029@develooper.com>


On May 7, 2009, at 9:28, Elizabeth Cortell wrote:

Hi Jordan,

Welcome to Los Angeles.   I have many more Soekris and pcengines board  
than anyone should have (although they just do basic router functions  
and ntp stuff -- I only just recently put perl in my nanobsd image).

I'm in Burbank just about every day too.   Anyone up for a LA.pm lunch  
around there some day?  :-)


  - ask

-- 
http://develooper.com/ - http://askask.com/



From adeltac at valueclick.com  Thu May  7 09:46:33 2009
From: adeltac at valueclick.com (Aran Deltac)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 09:46:33 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Is Perl alive in Los Angeles?
In-Reply-To: <23638848-0BB1-485D-A864-07CA80B7F029@develooper.com>
References: <77113506934811686594231241044089004986-Webmail@me.com><317B14A9-8FBF-4A59-A24E-25A5AAE87056@JordanColeman.com><36433154690128421058957404208511658413-Webmail@me.com>
	<23638848-0BB1-485D-A864-07CA80B7F029@develooper.com>
Message-ID: <24CF2B9B9D2BCC4B8F6EA9528B63C8360D1F6BC3@LA-EXCLUST01.corp.valueclick.com>

Works for me.  I'm free just about any day, I'd just need a few days of notice so I can notify the boss that I'll be working from home (Burbank is the opposite direction from Thousand Oaks for me).

Aran

PS: Anyone interested about TO.pm: http://thousand-oaks-perl.org/

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 9:41 AM
To: Jordan Coleman
Cc: Los Angeles Perl Mongers
Subject: Re: [LA.pm] Is Perl alive in Los Angeles?


On May 7, 2009, at 9:28, Elizabeth Cortell wrote:

Hi Jordan,

Welcome to Los Angeles.   I have many more Soekris and pcengines board  
than anyone should have (although they just do basic router functions  
and ntp stuff -- I only just recently put perl in my nanobsd image).

I'm in Burbank just about every day too.   Anyone up for a LA.pm lunch  
around there some day?  :-)


  - ask

-- 
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From jordan at JordanColeman.com  Thu May  7 09:48:25 2009
From: jordan at JordanColeman.com (Jordan Coleman)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 09:48:25 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Is Perl alive in Los Angeles?
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n May 7, 2009, at 9:41 AM, Ask Bj?rn Hansen wrote:

> Welcome to Los Angeles.   I have many more Soekris and pcengines  
> board than anyone should have (although they just do basic router  
> functions and ntp stuff -- I only just recently put perl in my  
> nanobsd image).

Excellent.  Big fan of the Soekris boxes (haven't used the PC Engines  
stuff yet).  The aforementioned embedded 802.11 transciever is based  
on a Soekris board.  Also a NanoBSD fan, but I didn't use it for that  
project.

> I'm in Burbank just about every day too.   Anyone up for a LA.pm  
> lunch around there some day?  :-)

Don't know if lunch leaves enough time for folks who aren't right in  
the area already, but if people can make it, I can too.  Alternately,  
what about at the end of the work day?  5:30 or 6:00-ish?  Or is later  
in the evening better for people?

++J


From jbrown at reachlocal.com  Thu May  7 10:09:31 2009
From: jbrown at reachlocal.com (Jonathan Brown)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 10:09:31 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Is Perl alive in Los Angeles?
In-Reply-To: <DF426958-D53A-44F4-9FDF-0E12EB44A587@JordanColeman.com>
References: <77113506934811686594231241044089004986-Webmail@me.com><317B14A9-8FBF-4A59-A24E-25A5AAE87056@JordanColeman.com><36433154690128421058957404208511658413-Webmail@me.com><23638848-0BB1-485D-A864-07CA80B7F029@develooper.com>
	<DF426958-D53A-44F4-9FDF-0E12EB44A587@JordanColeman.com>
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Hey Jordan. :)

I'm up for something in Burbank.  End of day is really better for me, but I
could lunch time as well.

>From my experience the Thousand Oaks PM is slightly more active, but it
seems most meetings are still cancelled.  But as others have said, I think
the population is there to attend the meetings, but no one is really
interested in putting in the time (and has the time) to plan or present.  

Jon Brown

-----Original Message-----
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Jordan Coleman
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 9:48 AM
To: Los Angeles Perl Mongers
Subject: Re: [LA.pm] Is Perl alive in Los Angeles?

n May 7, 2009, at 9:41 AM, Ask Bj?rn Hansen wrote:

> Welcome to Los Angeles.   I have many more Soekris and pcengines  
> board than anyone should have (although they just do basic router 
> functions and ntp stuff -- I only just recently put perl in my nanobsd 
> image).

Excellent.  Big fan of the Soekris boxes (haven't used the PC Engines stuff
yet).  The aforementioned embedded 802.11 transciever is based on a Soekris
board.  Also a NanoBSD fan, but I didn't use it for that project.

> I'm in Burbank just about every day too.   Anyone up for a LA.pm  
> lunch around there some day?  :-)

Don't know if lunch leaves enough time for folks who aren't right in the
area already, but if people can make it, I can too.  Alternately, what about
at the end of the work day?  5:30 or 6:00-ish?  Or is later in the evening
better for people?

++J

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From jordan at JordanColeman.com  Thu May  7 10:19:38 2009
From: jordan at JordanColeman.com (Jordan Coleman)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 10:19:38 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Is Perl alive in Los Angeles?
In-Reply-To: <67E46AF9A46B43F88934516EE4298A65@reachloc1d087f>
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On May 7, 2009, at 10:09 AM, Jonathan Brown wrote:

> Hey Jordan. :)
>>

Hello there, cousin-of-my-wife!  Small world.  Guess I should have  
realized you'd be lurking here.

> From my experience the Thousand Oaks PM is slightly more active, but  
> it
> seems most meetings are still cancelled.  But as others have said, I  
> think
> the population is there to attend the meetings, but no one is really
> interested in putting in the time (and has the time) to plan or  
> present.

I'd be happy to present about some embedded Perl application if that's  
what it takes.  The project for the yacht runs Perl pretty  
extensively, not just in the outside 802.11 unit, but also on a good  
chunk of the boat's communications management system.  POE and  
Catalyst feature into that project in a big way as well, and though  
I'm no expert on either one, it's kindof a cool application  
nonetheless.  If there's interest, I can give some Perl Mongers a tour.

++J


From btilly at gmail.com  Thu May  7 10:34:04 2009
From: btilly at gmail.com (Ben Tilly)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 10:34:04 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Is Perl alive in Los Angeles?
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	<23638848-0BB1-485D-A864-07CA80B7F029@develooper.com>
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On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Jordan Coleman <jordan at jordancoleman.com> wrote:
[...]
> Don't know if lunch leaves enough time for folks who aren't right in the
> area already, but if people can make it, I can too. ?Alternately, what about
> at the end of the work day? ?5:30 or 6:00-ish? ?Or is later in the evening
> better for people?

I can't make it at lunch.  I would be interested at the end of work
day some day.  But whose work day ends in time to get somewhere in LA
by 6?  7 would be more reasonable for me.

Ben

From migtek at gmail.com  Thu May  7 10:42:04 2009
From: migtek at gmail.com (Miguel Hernandez)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 10:42:04 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Is Perl alive in Los Angeles?
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Welcome to Southern California, Jordan!
While I have no experience w/the Thousand Oaks group, the LA meetings that
I've attended were always very spirited & informative.
This project you speak of sounds really cool. While I'm no boatsman, a good
buddy of mine has one & also happens to be into Perl so I might have to
mention this to him.

I'm in Alhambra, so the Burbank area would be fine.

--miguel
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From alex at acatysmoof.com  Thu May  7 10:49:34 2009
From: alex at acatysmoof.com (Alex Teslik)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 10:49:34 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Is Perl alive in Los Angeles?
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On Thu, 7 May 2009 10:34:04 -0700, Ben Tilly wrote
> I can't make it at lunch.  I would be interested at the end of work
> day some day.  But whose work day ends in time to get somewhere in LA
> by 6?  7 would be more reasonable for me.

I could do 7 or lunch in Burbank anytime.

Burbank watering holes:
http://www.tinhornflats.com
http://www.barneysbeanery.com (wow, what a horrible website)
http://www.bjsbrewhouse.com
http://www.gordonbiersch.com

From davehodg at gmail.com  Thu May  7 11:21:39 2009
From: davehodg at gmail.com (Dave Hodgkinson)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 19:21:39 +0100
Subject: [LA.pm] Perl jobs for furriners in the LA area
Message-ID: <A68F5297-15AE-43A1-B064-F40DD8A0CAFE@gmail.com>

Hi All,

I signed up to LA.pm on the chance there'd be a meeting the last
three times I've been out, but ended up being too busy to even
organise an emergency meet.

Anyhow.

I was wondering what the state of the perl jobs market in LA was
like these days? It's on my medium-term TODO list to spend a year
or several in LA, more specifically near the coast. There were a few
companies out that way that seemed to be hiring like Oversee. Sadly
the one I cam closest to, Shopzilla, appears to have moved away
from perl totally now.

Thoughts?

Hm, this seems to have died: http://www.linuxmovies.org/perl/index.html


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From jordan at JordanColeman.com  Thu May  7 11:34:31 2009
From: jordan at JordanColeman.com (Jordan Coleman)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 11:34:31 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Is Perl alive in Los Angeles?
In-Reply-To: <AE928875B30FB1419FBF367D89A184B50822ADA2@RHV-EXM-01.corp.ebay.com>
References: <77113506934811686594231241044089004986-Webmail@me.com><317B14A9-8FBF-4A59-A24E-25A5AAE87056@JordanColeman.com><36433154690128421058957404208511658413-Webmail@me.com><23638848-0BB1-485D-A864-07CA80B7F029@develooper.com>
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On May 7, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Avakian, Alain wrote:

> Although I live in the Glendale/Burbank area, I work in Santa Monica  
> (along with quite a few mongers), so a later time would gather more  
> crowds ;-)

Sounds like later is better for a lot of people.  So, like 7-ish?   
Also, what days are good for people?

> Oh, and Welcome to LA Jordan!

Thanks!

++J


From btilly at gmail.com  Thu May  7 11:49:17 2009
From: btilly at gmail.com (Ben Tilly)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 11:49:17 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Perl jobs for furriners in the LA area
In-Reply-To: <A68F5297-15AE-43A1-B064-F40DD8A0CAFE@gmail.com>
References: <A68F5297-15AE-43A1-B064-F40DD8A0CAFE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <acc274b30905071149o3b288b2uc6827cf8f7cceda1@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Dave Hodgkinson <davehodg at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I signed up to LA.pm on the chance there'd be a meeting the last
> three times I've been out, but ended up being too busy to even
> organise an emergency meet.
>
> Anyhow.
>
> I was wondering what the state of the perl jobs market in LA was
> like these days? It's on my medium-term TODO list to spend a year
> or several in LA, more specifically near the coast. There were a few
> companies out that way that seemed to be hiring like Oversee. Sadly
> the one I cam closest to, Shopzilla, appears to have moved away
> from perl totally now.
>
> Thoughts?

I was just on said job market and found something.  No job market is
in good shape at the moment, but there are a number of companies that
would like to hire solid developers.  Particularly some of the smaller
ones - Los Angeles has a lot of Perl based startups.  In general jobs
go first to good people who are well connected.

If you are good and are looking to become connected quickly, go to a
good networking event like startup weekend.  This will give you a
bunch of connections to start with.  I would schedule it so that you
fly in and do that before you decide whether to move.  That will give
you more of a direct sense of what is available, and will give you
those initial contacts that make finding a job much easier.

Unfortunately the demands of my life and family keep me from doing a
lot of those events.  However I have a friend named Eric Hammond who
is on top of that.  Hopefully he'll respond to this thread and you'll
have a connection.

Cheers,
Ben

From ehammond at thinksome.com  Fri May  8 10:38:02 2009
From: ehammond at thinksome.com (Eric Hammond)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 10:38:02 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] [lapm] Re:  Perl jobs for furriners in the LA area
In-Reply-To: <acc274b30905071149o3b288b2uc6827cf8f7cceda1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A68F5297-15AE-43A1-B064-F40DD8A0CAFE@gmail.com>
	<acc274b30905071149o3b288b2uc6827cf8f7cceda1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A046DFA.1080706@thinksome.com>

Ben Tilly wrote:
> lot of those events.  However I have a friend named Eric Hammond who
> is on top of that.  Hopefully he'll respond to this thread and you'll

On this site I list a number of tech event calendars and tech
organizations around the area:

  http://LAgeeks.org

This calendar is managed by the community:

  http://LAtechCalendar.com

There are a lot of great folks in the LA tech communities.  Have fun
getting to know them and good luck finding a place where you can contribute.

--
Eric Hammond
ehammond at thinksome.com





From zrusilla at mac.com  Fri May  8 16:01:43 2009
From: zrusilla at mac.com (Elizabeth Cortell)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 16:01:43 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Burbank?
Message-ID: <4A04B9D7.6010509@mac.com>

Do we have a consensus on Burbank? If so, when and where?


From jordan at JordanColeman.com  Sat May  9 10:37:06 2009
From: jordan at JordanColeman.com (Jordan Coleman)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 10:37:06 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Burbank?
In-Reply-To: <4A04B9D7.6010509@mac.com>
References: <4A04B9D7.6010509@mac.com>
Message-ID: <076170A4-3223-4D18-A78B-E1665AF5CA5A@JordanColeman.com>

On May 8, 2009, at 4:01 PM, Elizabeth Cortell wrote:

> Do we have a consensus on Burbank? If so, when and where?

It sounds like there was some support for that, but deliberations seem  
to have broken down in the absence of a clear suggestion and the onset  
of the weekend.

The only place I've been to in Burbank, having only been here a few  
weeks, is Gordon Biersch (http://tinyurl.com/gbburbank), where another  
group I'm involved in meets.  That's my (probably lame) proposal to  
get the ball rolling; can someone please offer up a counter-proposal?

As for when, how about next week.  Say, Tuesday or Thursday?  Around  
7:00 PM?

++J

From jordan at jordancoleman.com  Mon May 11 15:51:12 2009
From: jordan at jordancoleman.com (Jordan Coleman)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 15:51:12 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Burbank?
In-Reply-To: <f7f33c2d0905091100t52babe7ia7028fe1c5c38e9d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A04B9D7.6010509@mac.com>
	<076170A4-3223-4D18-A78B-E1665AF5CA5A@JordanColeman.com>
	<f7f33c2d0905091100t52babe7ia7028fe1c5c38e9d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55524290-7D25-4702-86D4-FD5AD05F32AF@jordancoleman.com>

Not really sure I should be organizing this as a newbie, but in the  
absence of some other authority, I guess I'll go ahead...

Soooo, since it's Monday already and no plans have yet been made, I  
guess Tuesday is out.  How about we try for a meet Thursday at 7:00 at  
Gordon Biersch in Burbank?

Anyone?

++J


On May 9, 2009, at 11:00 AM, Arkadiy wrote:

> That's doable.
>
> On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Jordan Coleman
> <jordan at jordancoleman.com> wrote:
>> On May 8, 2009, at 4:01 PM, Elizabeth Cortell wrote:
>>
>>> Do we have a consensus on Burbank? If so, when and where?
>>
>> It sounds like there was some support for that, but deliberations  
>> seem to
>> have broken down in the absence of a clear suggestion and the onset  
>> of the
>> weekend.
>>
>> The only place I've been to in Burbank, having only been here a few  
>> weeks,
>> is Gordon Biersch (http://tinyurl.com/gbburbank), where another  
>> group I'm
>> involved in meets.  That's my (probably lame) proposal to get the  
>> ball
>> rolling; can someone please offer up a counter-proposal?
>>
>> As for when, how about next week.  Say, Tuesday or Thursday?   
>> Around 7:00
>> PM?
>>
>> ++J
>> _______________________________________________
>> Losangeles-pm mailing list
>> Losangeles-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm
>>


From john.beppu at gmail.com  Mon May 11 22:29:59 2009
From: john.beppu at gmail.com (John Beppu)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 22:29:59 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Burbank?
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References: <4A04B9D7.6010509@mac.com>
	<076170A4-3223-4D18-A78B-E1665AF5CA5A@JordanColeman.com>
	<f7f33c2d0905091100t52babe7ia7028fe1c5c38e9d@mail.gmail.com>
	<55524290-7D25-4702-86D4-FD5AD05F32AF@jordancoleman.com>
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On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Jordan Coleman <jordan at jordancoleman.com>wrote:

> Not really sure I should be organizing this as a newbie, but in the absence
> of some other authority, I guess I'll go ahead...
>
> Soooo, since it's Monday already and no plans have yet been made, I guess
> Tuesday is out.  How about we try for a meet Thursday at 7:00 at Gordon
> Biersch in Burbank?
>

+1

Sounds good to me.
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From jbrown at reachlocal.com  Tue May 12 09:38:53 2009
From: jbrown at reachlocal.com (Jonathan Brown)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 09:38:53 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Burbank?
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Thursday at 7 works for me.

  _____  

From: losangeles-pm-bounces+jbrown=reachlocal.com at pm.org
[mailto:losangeles-pm-bounces+jbrown=reachlocal.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of
John Beppu
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:30 PM
To: Jordan Coleman
Cc: Los Angeles Perl Mongers
Subject: Re: [LA.pm] Burbank?


On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Jordan Coleman <jordan at jordancoleman.com>
wrote:


Not really sure I should be organizing this as a newbie, but in the absence
of some other authority, I guess I'll go ahead...

Soooo, since it's Monday already and no plans have yet been made, I guess
Tuesday is out.  How about we try for a meet Thursday at 7:00 at Gordon
Biersch in Burbank?



+1

Sounds good to me.
 



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From jordan at jordancoleman.com  Tue May 12 11:06:42 2009
From: jordan at jordancoleman.com (Jordan Coleman)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 11:06:42 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Burbank?
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On May 12, 2009, at 9:38 AM, Jonathan Brown wrote:

> Thursday at 7 works for me.

Okay, so it sounds like a few people can make it for Thursday at  
7:00.  Excellent.  Here's the location:  http://tinyurl.com/gbburbank

There's a patio out in the back -- I think that's where we should try  
and gather.

++J



From ask at develooper.com  Thu May 14 01:36:16 2009
From: ask at develooper.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ask_Bj=F8rn_Hansen?=)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 01:36:16 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Burbank?
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On May 12, 2009, at 11:06, Jordan Coleman wrote:

> On May 12, 2009, at 9:38 AM, Jonathan Brown wrote:
>
>> Thursday at 7 works for me.
>
> Okay, so it sounds like a few people can make it for Thursday at  
> 7:00.  Excellent.  Here's the location:  http://tinyurl.com/gbburbank

Here's a URL with a map.  :-)

	http://www.yellowbot.com/gordon-biersch-burbank-ca.html


  - Ask (the yellowbot office is half a block away, but I'm probably  
not able to make it Thursday; next time!)



From p at chudpi.org  Thu May 14 10:04:23 2009
From: p at chudpi.org (pete)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 10:04:23 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Meetings - general thoughts.
Message-ID: <4ad4005e0905141004v4c15dcc3tbf12795b19552304@mail.gmail.com>

On a general note, it seems that there is plenty of interest in
meeting, we're just not too great at organization.

One way this can be ameliorated - as my old PM group MadMongers in
Madison, WI did - is to set a recurring meeting in a predefined
location.  For example, "the LA.pm meetings are first and third
Thursday at 7:00PM in the [pub] in [address/map link/gps coords]."
Whoever shows up, shows up and geeks out.  If a meeting gets moved due
to a special guest speaker or event, the organizer of said event posts
a notification on  the list and the pm page.

This way the organization becomes, for the most part, automated with
the exception of special events, which generally already have
organizers perfectly willing to carry the burden of leadership limited
to the scope of said event.

It works well for for MadMongers, who meet regularly even in cases of
the absence of clearly defined leadership.  A few people met, good
conversation happened, moved to the list, bringing it to life and
spreading interest of the topic to the mongers that didn't attend the
meeting, incenticised those mongers to make it to the next meeting
....  it can be a catalyst.

I suggest that we stick to the location of this next meeting, as there
is already sufficient consensus that it works for enough people for at
least one meeting. We'll see how well it works and go from there.

Just a thought.
Cheers :-)
Pete.

On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 1:36 AM, Ask Bj?rn Hansen <ask at develooper.com> wrote:
> On May 12, 2009, at 11:06, Jordan Coleman wrote:
>
>> On May 12, 2009, at 9:38 AM, Jonathan Brown wrote:
>>
>>> Thursday at 7 works for me.
>>
>> Okay, so it sounds like a few people can make it for Thursday at 7:00.
>> ?Excellent. ?Here's the location: ?http://tinyurl.com/gbburbank
>
> Here's a URL with a map. ?:-)
>
> ? ? ? ?http://www.yellowbot.com/gordon-biersch-burbank-ca.html
>
>
> ?- Ask (the yellowbot office is half a block away, but I'm probably not able
> to make it Thursday; next time!)
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Losangeles-pm mailing list
> Losangeles-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm
>

From andy at petdance.com  Thu May 14 10:06:53 2009
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 12:06:53 -0500
Subject: [LA.pm] Meetings - general thoughts.
In-Reply-To: <4ad4005e0905141004v4c15dcc3tbf12795b19552304@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ad4005e0905141004v4c15dcc3tbf12795b19552304@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <04622A94-075C-4125-A9A0-6A945B2D75DE@petdance.com>


On May 14, 2009, at 12:04 PM, pete wrote:

>
> One way this can be ameliorated - as my old PM group MadMongers in
> Madison, WI did - is to set a recurring meeting in a predefined


Agreed.  The #1 way to get people to not come is to have them ask "Is  
there a meeting this month?"  Make the meetings happen, no matter  
what, every month.  Yes, they'll conflict with someone's bowling  
night, but too bad.

xoxo,
Andy

--
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From btilly at gmail.com  Thu May 14 10:56:53 2009
From: btilly at gmail.com (Ben Tilly)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 10:56:53 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Meetings - general thoughts.
In-Reply-To: <4ad4005e0905141004v4c15dcc3tbf12795b19552304@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ad4005e0905141004v4c15dcc3tbf12795b19552304@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <acc274b30905141056se1f5503vd5c199f50fa4013d@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 10:04 AM, pete <p at chudpi.org> wrote:
> On a general note, it seems that there is plenty of interest in
> meeting, we're just not too great at organization.
>
> One way this can be ameliorated - as my old PM group MadMongers in
> Madison, WI did - is to set a recurring meeting in a predefined
> location. ?For example, "the LA.pm meetings are first and third
> Thursday at 7:00PM in the [pub] in [address/map link/gps coords]."
> Whoever shows up, shows up and geeks out. ?If a meeting gets moved due
> to a special guest speaker or event, the organizer of said event posts
> a notification on ?the list and the pm page.
>
> This way the organization becomes, for the most part, automated with
> the exception of special events, which generally already have
> organizers perfectly willing to carry the burden of leadership limited
> to the scope of said event.
>
> It works well for for MadMongers, who meet regularly even in cases of
> the absence of clearly defined leadership. ?A few people met, good
> conversation happened, moved to the list, bringing it to life and
> spreading interest of the topic to the mongers that didn't attend the
> meeting, incenticised those mongers to make it to the next meeting
> .... ?it can be a catalyst.

In general I agree with you.  However the significant issue this group
in particular faces is how long it takes to get from point A to point
B around dinner time.  This is sufficiently difficult that it makes
sense to have a more frequent meeting that rotates around between
Santa Monica, Burbank, downtown and Pasadena.

To some extent that informally happens already.  For instance there is
a regular Santa Monica lunch meeting (http://www.thursdaylunch.com/)
that nobody else knows about or attends.  I wouldn't be surprised to
find out that there are more options out there.

Cheers,
Ben

From david at fetter.org  Thu May 14 11:01:49 2009
From: david at fetter.org (David Fetter)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 11:01:49 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Meetings - general thoughts.
In-Reply-To: <acc274b30905141056se1f5503vd5c199f50fa4013d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ad4005e0905141004v4c15dcc3tbf12795b19552304@mail.gmail.com>
	<acc274b30905141056se1f5503vd5c199f50fa4013d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090514180149.GC6244@fetter.org>

On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 10:56:53AM -0700, Ben Tilly wrote:
> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 10:04 AM, pete <p at chudpi.org> wrote:
> >
> > One way this can be ameliorated - as my old PM group MadMongers in
> > Madison, WI did - is to set a recurring meeting in a predefined
> > location. ?For example, "the LA.pm meetings are first and third
> > Thursday at 7:00PM in the [pub] in [address/map link/gps coords]."
> > Whoever shows up, shows up and geeks out. ?If a meeting gets moved
> > due to a special guest speaker or event, the organizer of said
> > event posts a notification on ?the list and the pm page.
> 
> In general I agree with you.  However the significant issue this
> group in particular faces is how long it takes to get from point A
> to point B around dinner time.  This is sufficiently difficult that
> it makes sense to have a more frequent meeting that rotates around
> between Santa Monica, Burbank, downtown and Pasadena.

It's fine to rotate the location, as we do for the other SFPUG (P for
PostgreSQL.  Yay!) up in the SF Bay Area.  Having a set day and time
helps a *lot*.

Cheers,
David.
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From migtek at gmail.com  Thu May 14 11:19:14 2009
From: migtek at gmail.com (Miguel Hernandez)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 11:19:14 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Meetings - general thoughts.
In-Reply-To: <20090514180149.GC6244@fetter.org>
References: <4ad4005e0905141004v4c15dcc3tbf12795b19552304@mail.gmail.com>
	<acc274b30905141056se1f5503vd5c199f50fa4013d@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090514180149.GC6244@fetter.org>
Message-ID: <d798c1200905141119r4021eb58hdbcf1b8799e9a5e@mail.gmail.com>

The Thursday Lunch is a GREAT idea that Eric Hammond put together. While
I?ve known about it for quite some time, I?ve just never been able to make
it out there (but hope to change that soon). It?s not Perl-specific but
definitely geek-oriented so I?m sure some Perlmeisters attend.

Rotating the locations is a great idea, Ben! If we follow-up with that,
might I suggest Phillippe?s for the downtown locale. The LAMP-SIG planning
committee usually has its meetings there. They have big tables, free wifi &
good food @ decent prices. The added benefit is that it?s right across the
street from Union Station so has real easy access for folks using public
transportation. I need to find a similar locale in Pasadena but have yet to
find a spot w/the amenities that Phillippe?s provides.

Another option would be to go the Lunch 2.0 route. While it?s a more
informal gathering for networking, I like the model. Different companies
host the event on Fridays, providing space & food. The benefit is obvious
for said companies- maybe it?s a startup who needs exposure, or a
well-established shop that?s hiring or a company with a new product or
getting out of beta. Obviously, it would have to be Perl-specific so it
might be more legwork but the side-benefits would be great. Finding out a
company is a Perl shop in this manner would be great. Then again, it might
have to start with the group coming up with a list of all the Perl shops we
know about.

Just tossing out ideas,
--miguel
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From arkadiy at arkadiy.com  Thu May 14 13:11:47 2009
From: arkadiy at arkadiy.com (Arkadiy)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 13:11:47 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Burbank?
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Can we get a roll-call?

On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Jordan Coleman
<jordan at jordancoleman.com> wrote:
> On May 12, 2009, at 9:38 AM, Jonathan Brown wrote:
>
>> Thursday at 7 works for me.
>
> Okay, so it sounds like a few people can make it for Thursday at 7:00.
> ?Excellent. ?Here's the location: ?http://tinyurl.com/gbburbank
>
> There's a patio out in the back -- I think that's where we should try and
> gather.
>
> ++J
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From ask at develooper.com  Thu May 14 13:29:57 2009
From: ask at develooper.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ask_Bj=F8rn_Hansen?=)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 13:29:57 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Burbank?
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On May 14, 2009, at 13:11, Arkadiy wrote:

[ Thursday 7pm in Burbank ]

> Can we get a roll-call?

Looks like I might make it after all.  :-)


  - ask

From jbrown at reachlocal.com  Thu May 14 13:34:51 2009
From: jbrown at reachlocal.com (Jonathan Brown)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 13:34:51 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Burbank?
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I'll still be there. :) 

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To: Los Angeles Perl Mongers
Subject: Re: [LA.pm] Burbank?

Can we get a roll-call?

On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Jordan Coleman <jordan at jordancoleman.com>
wrote:
> On May 12, 2009, at 9:38 AM, Jonathan Brown wrote:
>
>> Thursday at 7 works for me.
>
> Okay, so it sounds like a few people can make it for Thursday at 7:00.
> ?Excellent. ?Here's the location: ?http://tinyurl.com/gbburbank
>
> There's a patio out in the back -- I think that's where we should try 
> and gather.
>
> ++J
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Losangeles-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm
>
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From zrusilla at mac.com  Thu May 14 13:52:22 2009
From: zrusilla at mac.com (Elizabeth Cortell)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 13:52:22 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Burbank?
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I'm planning on it, unless something goes awry.

On Thursday, May 14, 2009, at 01:11PM, "Arkadiy" <arkadiy at arkadiy.com> wrote:
>Can we get a roll-call?


From jordan at JordanColeman.com  Thu May 14 13:54:29 2009
From: jordan at JordanColeman.com (Jordan Coleman)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 13:54:29 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Burbank?
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On May 14, 2009, at 1:11 PM, Arkadiy wrote:

> Can we get a roll-call?

I'm still in.

I called ahead to the place yesterday.  They said we could meet out in  
the patio area.  I'll try to get there a few minutes early and claim  
our spot.

++J


From toms at 4tom.com  Thu May 14 14:13:57 2009
From: toms at 4tom.com (Tom Stall)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 14:13:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [LA.pm] Burbank?
Message-ID: <903628.62722.qm@web63202.mail.re1.yahoo.com>


Hi,

I'll be there...

Tom


--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Arkadiy <arkadiy at arkadiy.com> wrote:

> From: Arkadiy <arkadiy at arkadiy.com>
> Subject: Re: [LA.pm] Burbank?
> To: "Los Angeles Perl Mongers" <losangeles-pm at pm.org>
> Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 1:11 PM
> Can we get a roll-call?
> 
> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Jordan Coleman
> <jordan at jordancoleman.com>
> wrote:
> > On May 12, 2009, at 9:38 AM, Jonathan Brown wrote:
> >
> >> Thursday at 7 works for me.
> >
> > Okay, so it sounds like a few people can make it for
> Thursday at 7:00.
> > ?Excellent. ?Here's the location: ?http://tinyurl.com/gbburbank
> >
> > There's a patio out in the back -- I think that's
> where we should try and
> > gather.
> >
> > ++J
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Losangeles-pm mailing list
> > Losangeles-pm at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> Losangeles-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm
> 

From mail at troyconrad.com  Thu May 14 16:14:29 2009
From: mail at troyconrad.com (Troy Conrad)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 16:14:29 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Losangeles-pm Digest, Vol 65, Issue 6 [Gordon Biersch]
In-Reply-To: <28cd366c0905141540q1ece6617g224f4020a2100d4a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <28cd366c0905141540q1ece6617g224f4020a2100d4a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <28cd366c0905141614l13723a45kb083011083e3dd8f@mail.gmail.com>

Long time lurker on the list finally chiming in here. Glad to see some
activity on the list, it's been quiet for too long...

Welcome to Los Angeles, Jordan! Thanks for taking the initiative to
plan a get-together.

I'm in for 7 tonight at Gordon Biersch, I look forward to meeting some
fellow Perl hackers!

P.S. Andy, a pleasant surprise to see you on this list. I remember
interviewing with you back in 2004 for a job at Follett. Are you in LA
now?

Cheers,

-Troy-

Troy Conrad
Macfinity Consulting

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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 01:36:16 -0700
> From: Ask Bj?rn Hansen <ask at develooper.com>
> Subject: Re: [LA.pm] Burbank?
> To: Jordan Coleman <jordan at jordancoleman.com>
> Cc: Los Angeles Perl Mongers <losangeles-pm at pm.org>
> Message-ID: <444E60BB-05F4-45C7-9DDC-ED43A95CAB79 at develooper.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
>
> On May 12, 2009, at 11:06, Jordan Coleman wrote:
>
>> On May 12, 2009, at 9:38 AM, Jonathan Brown wrote:
>>
>>> Thursday at 7 works for me.
>>
>> Okay, so it sounds like a few people can make it for Thursday at
>> 7:00. ?Excellent. ?Here's the location: ?http://tinyurl.com/gbburbank
>
> Here's a URL with a map. ?:-)
>
> ? ? ? ?http://www.yellowbot.com/gordon-biersch-burbank-ca.html
>
>
> ?- Ask (the yellowbot office is half a block away, but I'm probably
> not able to make it Thursday; next time!)
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 10:04:23 -0700
> From: pete <p at chudpi.org>
> Subject: [LA.pm] Meetings - general thoughts.
> To: Los Angeles Perl Mongers <losangeles-pm at pm.org>
> Message-ID:
> ? ? ? ?<4ad4005e0905141004v4c15dcc3tbf12795b19552304 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On a general note, it seems that there is plenty of interest in
> meeting, we're just not too great at organization.
>
> One way this can be ameliorated - as my old PM group MadMongers in
> Madison, WI did - is to set a recurring meeting in a predefined
> location. ?For example, "the LA.pm meetings are first and third
> Thursday at 7:00PM in the [pub] in [address/map link/gps coords]."
> Whoever shows up, shows up and geeks out. ?If a meeting gets moved due
> to a special guest speaker or event, the organizer of said event posts
> a notification on ?the list and the pm page.
>
> This way the organization becomes, for the most part, automated with
> the exception of special events, which generally already have
> organizers perfectly willing to carry the burden of leadership limited
> to the scope of said event.
>
> It works well for for MadMongers, who meet regularly even in cases of
> the absence of clearly defined leadership. ?A few people met, good
> conversation happened, moved to the list, bringing it to life and
> spreading interest of the topic to the mongers that didn't attend the
> meeting, incenticised those mongers to make it to the next meeting
> .... ?it can be a catalyst.
>
> I suggest that we stick to the location of this next meeting, as there
> is already sufficient consensus that it works for enough people for at
> least one meeting. We'll see how well it works and go from there.
>
> Just a thought.
> Cheers :-)
> Pete.
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 1:36 AM, Ask Bj?rn Hansen <ask at develooper.com> wrote:
>> On May 12, 2009, at 11:06, Jordan Coleman wrote:
>>
>>> On May 12, 2009, at 9:38 AM, Jonathan Brown wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thursday at 7 works for me.
>>>
>>> Okay, so it sounds like a few people can make it for Thursday at 7:00.
>>> ?Excellent. ?Here's the location: ?http://tinyurl.com/gbburbank
>>
>> Here's a URL with a map. ?:-)
>>
>> ? ? ? ?http://www.yellowbot.com/gordon-biersch-burbank-ca.html
>>
>>
>> ?- Ask (the yellowbot office is half a block away, but I'm probably not able
>> to make it Thursday; next time!)
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Losangeles-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm
>>
>
>
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>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 12:06:53 -0500
> From: Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com>
> Subject: Re: [LA.pm] Meetings - general thoughts.
> To: pete <p at chudpi.org>
> Cc: Los Angeles Perl Mongers <losangeles-pm at pm.org>
> Message-ID: <04622A94-075C-4125-A9A0-6A945B2D75DE at petdance.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
>
> On May 14, 2009, at 12:04 PM, pete wrote:
>
>>
>> One way this can be ameliorated - as my old PM group MadMongers in
>> Madison, WI did - is to set a recurring meeting in a predefined
>
>
> Agreed. ?The #1 way to get people to not come is to have them ask "Is
> there a meeting this month?" ?Make the meetings happen, no matter
> what, every month. ?Yes, they'll conflict with someone's bowling
> night, but too bad.
>
> xoxo,
> Andy
>
> --
> Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.theworkinggeek.com => AIM:petdance
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 10:56:53 -0700
> From: Ben Tilly <btilly at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [LA.pm] Meetings - general thoughts.
> To: pete <p at chudpi.org>
> Cc: Los Angeles Perl Mongers <losangeles-pm at pm.org>
> Message-ID:
> ? ? ? ?<acc274b30905141056se1f5503vd5c199f50fa4013d at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 10:04 AM, pete <p at chudpi.org> wrote:
>> On a general note, it seems that there is plenty of interest in
>> meeting, we're just not too great at organization.
>>
>> One way this can be ameliorated - as my old PM group MadMongers in
>> Madison, WI did - is to set a recurring meeting in a predefined
>> location. ?For example, "the LA.pm meetings are first and third
>> Thursday at 7:00PM in the [pub] in [address/map link/gps coords]."
>> Whoever shows up, shows up and geeks out. ?If a meeting gets moved due
>> to a special guest speaker or event, the organizer of said event posts
>> a notification on ?the list and the pm page.
>>
>> This way the organization becomes, for the most part, automated with
>> the exception of special events, which generally already have
>> organizers perfectly willing to carry the burden of leadership limited
>> to the scope of said event.
>>
>> It works well for for MadMongers, who meet regularly even in cases of
>> the absence of clearly defined leadership. ?A few people met, good
>> conversation happened, moved to the list, bringing it to life and
>> spreading interest of the topic to the mongers that didn't attend the
>> meeting, incenticised those mongers to make it to the next meeting
>> .... ?it can be a catalyst.
>
> In general I agree with you. ?However the significant issue this group
> in particular faces is how long it takes to get from point A to point
> B around dinner time. ?This is sufficiently difficult that it makes
> sense to have a more frequent meeting that rotates around between
> Santa Monica, Burbank, downtown and Pasadena.
>
> To some extent that informally happens already. ?For instance there is
> a regular Santa Monica lunch meeting (http://www.thursdaylunch.com/)
> that nobody else knows about or attends. ?I wouldn't be surprised to
> find out that there are more options out there.
>
> Cheers,
> Ben
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 11:01:49 -0700
> From: David Fetter <david at fetter.org>
> Subject: Re: [LA.pm] Meetings - general thoughts.
> To: losangeles-pm at pm.org
> Message-ID: <20090514180149.GC6244 at fetter.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 10:56:53AM -0700, Ben Tilly wrote:
>> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 10:04 AM, pete <p at chudpi.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > One way this can be ameliorated - as my old PM group MadMongers in
>> > Madison, WI did - is to set a recurring meeting in a predefined
>> > location. ?For example, "the LA.pm meetings are first and third
>> > Thursday at 7:00PM in the [pub] in [address/map link/gps coords]."
>> > Whoever shows up, shows up and geeks out. ?If a meeting gets moved
>> > due to a special guest speaker or event, the organizer of said
>> > event posts a notification on ?the list and the pm page.
>>
>> In general I agree with you. ?However the significant issue this
>> group in particular faces is how long it takes to get from point A
>> to point B around dinner time. ?This is sufficiently difficult that
>> it makes sense to have a more frequent meeting that rotates around
>> between Santa Monica, Burbank, downtown and Pasadena.
>
> It's fine to rotate the location, as we do for the other SFPUG (P for
> PostgreSQL. ?Yay!) up in the SF Bay Area. ?Having a set day and time
> helps a *lot*.
>
> Cheers,
> David.
> --
> David Fetter <david at fetter.org> http://fetter.org/
> Phone: +1 415 235 3778 ?AIM: dfetter666 ?Yahoo!: dfetter
> Skype: davidfetter ? ? ?XMPP: david.fetter at gmail.com
>
> Remember to vote!
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 11:19:14 -0700
> From: Miguel Hernandez <migtek at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [LA.pm] Meetings - general thoughts.
> To: losangeles-pm at pm.org
> Message-ID:
> ? ? ? ?<d798c1200905141119r4021eb58hdbcf1b8799e9a5e at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> The Thursday Lunch is a GREAT idea that Eric Hammond put together. While
> I?ve known about it for quite some time, I?ve just never been able to make
> it out there (but hope to change that soon). It?s not Perl-specific but
> definitely geek-oriented so I?m sure some Perlmeisters attend.
>
> Rotating the locations is a great idea, Ben! If we follow-up with that,
> might I suggest Phillippe?s for the downtown locale. The LAMP-SIG planning
> committee usually has its meetings there. They have big tables, free wifi &
> good food @ decent prices. The added benefit is that it?s right across the
> street from Union Station so has real easy access for folks using public
> transportation. I need to find a similar locale in Pasadena but have yet to
> find a spot w/the amenities that Phillippe?s provides.
>
> Another option would be to go the Lunch 2.0 route. While it?s a more
> informal gathering for networking, I like the model. Different companies
> host the event on Fridays, providing space & food. The benefit is obvious
> for said companies- maybe it?s a startup who needs exposure, or a
> well-established shop that?s hiring or a company with a new product or
> getting out of beta. Obviously, it would have to be Perl-specific so it
> might be more legwork but the side-benefits would be great. Finding out a
> company is a Perl shop in this manner would be great. Then again, it might
> have to start with the group coming up with a list of all the Perl shops we
> know about.
>
> Just tossing out ideas,
> --miguel
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From jordan at JordanColeman.com  Fri May 15 10:16:56 2009
From: jordan at JordanColeman.com (Jordan Coleman)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 10:16:56 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Thanks
Message-ID: <50596C5A-3C8C-442F-8B2E-7796AC189ECC@JordanColeman.com>

Thanks to all the Mongers who came out last night.  Had a great time!   
It was great making new friends and hearing everyone's stories.

When's the next one?

++J


From btilly at gmail.com  Fri May 15 10:37:20 2009
From: btilly at gmail.com (Ben Tilly)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 10:37:20 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Thanks
In-Reply-To: <50596C5A-3C8C-442F-8B2E-7796AC189ECC@JordanColeman.com>
References: <50596C5A-3C8C-442F-8B2E-7796AC189ECC@JordanColeman.com>
Message-ID: <acc274b30905151037v5c5afb28j71f672d2e58f7401@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Jordan Coleman
<jordan at jordancoleman.com> wrote:
> Thanks to all the Mongers who came out last night. ?Had a great time! ?It
> was great making new friends and hearing everyone's stories.
>
> When's the next one?

The idea was floated of having rotating meetings in Burbank, downtown,
Santa Monica and Pasadena.  Coincidentally there are guaranteed to be
4 Thursdays per month, and there are exactly 4 Thursdays this month.
I like Thursday nights as meeting times.  Which suggests that we
should have our next one on May 21 in a location other than Burbank.

Miguel Hernandez suggested Phillippe's in downtown:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=&vps=1&jsv=158b&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=45.8712,62.490234&ie=UTF8&geocode=FR61BwIdCtnz-A&split=0

Nothing has been suggested yet in Santa Monica or Pasadena.  Therefore
I'd suggest that the second Thursday of every month be reserved for
Burbank, the third for downtown, and Pasadena and Santa Monica can
fight over who gets the other two.

If nobody makes a suggestion for Santa Monica, I'll suggest Chan Dara
at 11940 W Pico Blvd.  (Technically not Santa Monica, but it is close
to the intersection of the 10 and 405.)  I *really* don't know
Pasadena, so someone else will have to suggest something there.

Cheers,
Ben

From cnk at caltech.edu  Fri May 15 10:59:44 2009
From: cnk at caltech.edu (Cynthia Kiser)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 10:59:44 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Thanks
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Quoting Ben Tilly <btilly at gmail.com>:
> Nothing has been suggested yet in Santa Monica or Pasadena.  Therefore
> I'd suggest that the second Thursday of every month be reserved for
> Burbank, the third for downtown, and Pasadena and Santa Monica can
> fight over who gets the other two.

Not that I don't love you all but I suspect weekly meetings would be
stretching the enthusiasm for meeting. And I already semi-attend 2
other user groups on Thursdays - UUASC on the first Thursday and
LARuby on the third Thursday of the month. 

I didn't join you yesterday because one of the LARuby guys is running
a coding + Go thing on Thursdays in Pasadena. If anyone wants to code
some Rails geocoding stuff OR play Go, hop on the LARuby list to find
out what coffee house we are trying when.

-- 
Cynthia Kiser
cnk at caltech.edu


From arkadiy at arkadiy.com  Fri May 15 11:03:45 2009
From: arkadiy at arkadiy.com (Arkadiy)
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Subject: [LA.pm] Thanks
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I agree. Bi-weekly engagements are more to my liking.

On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Cynthia Kiser <cnk at caltech.edu> wrote:
> Quoting Ben Tilly <btilly at gmail.com>:
>> Nothing has been suggested yet in Santa Monica or Pasadena. ?Therefore
>> I'd suggest that the second Thursday of every month be reserved for
>> Burbank, the third for downtown, and Pasadena and Santa Monica can
>> fight over who gets the other two.
>
> Not that I don't love you all but I suspect weekly meetings would be
> stretching the enthusiasm for meeting. And I already semi-attend 2
> other user groups on Thursdays - UUASC on the first Thursday and
> LARuby on the third Thursday of the month.
>
> I didn't join you yesterday because one of the LARuby guys is running
> a coding + Go thing on Thursdays in Pasadena. If anyone wants to code
> some Rails geocoding stuff OR play Go, hop on the LARuby list to find
> out what coffee house we are trying when.
>
> --
> Cynthia Kiser
> cnk at caltech.edu
>
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From Peter at PSDT.com  Fri May 15 11:06:58 2009
From: Peter at PSDT.com (Peter Scott)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 11:06:58 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Thanks
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At 10:59 AM 5/15/2009, Cynthia Kiser wrote:
>Quoting Ben Tilly <btilly at gmail.com>:
> > Nothing has been suggested yet in Santa Monica or Pasadena.  Therefore
> > I'd suggest that the second Thursday of every month be reserved for
> > Burbank, the third for downtown, and Pasadena and Santa Monica can
> > fight over who gets the other two.
>
>Not that I don't love you all but I suspect weekly meetings would be
>stretching the enthusiasm for meeting.

I think the point is that there will be different people going to each 
regional meeting, with the occasional exception for the 
hyperdedicated.  Basically it's monthly meetings for Burbank.pm, 
Pasadena.pm, SantaMonica.pm, DowntownLA.pm.

-- 
Peter Scott
Pacific Systems Design Technologies
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From btilly at gmail.com  Fri May 15 11:15:43 2009
From: btilly at gmail.com (Ben Tilly)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 11:15:43 -0700
Subject: [LA.pm] Thanks
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On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Peter Scott <Peter at psdt.com> wrote:
> At 10:59 AM 5/15/2009, Cynthia Kiser wrote:
>>
>> Quoting Ben Tilly <btilly at gmail.com>:
>> > Nothing has been suggested yet in Santa Monica or Pasadena. ?Therefore
>> > I'd suggest that the second Thursday of every month be reserved for
>> > Burbank, the third for downtown, and Pasadena and Santa Monica can
>> > fight over who gets the other two.
>>
>> Not that I don't love you all but I suspect weekly meetings would be
>> stretching the enthusiasm for meeting.
>
> I think the point is that there will be different people going to each
> regional meeting, with the occasional exception for the hyperdedicated.
> ?Basically it's monthly meetings for Burbank.pm, Pasadena.pm,
> SantaMonica.pm, DowntownLA.pm.

Exactly my idea.

I remember when we used to have regular meetings.  There were lots of
complaints from people in Santa Monica that it was difficult to get to
the meetings.  (At the time I was one of the complainers, though I did
try hard to make meetings.)  So a social meeting was arranged in Santa
Monica.  Lo and behold!  A ton of people showed up who had never been
to a downtown meeting because nobody sane wants to go anywhere at rush
hour in this town.

Personally I'm working downtown at the moment.  I will never go to a
meeting in Pasadena.  I could have gone last night, but didn't.  (It
is the wrong way for me.)  I would make a special effort to go to
Santa Monica because I have a lot of friends there.  But downtown?  I
can *walk* to union station!

So of 4 meetings that I am suggesting, I'd go to 2 per month.

Cheers,
Ben

From nick at ccl4.org  Sun May 17 03:06:42 2009
From: nick at ccl4.org (Nicholas Clark)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 11:06:42 +0100
Subject: [LA.pm] Meetings - general thoughts.
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On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:19:14AM -0700, Miguel Hernandez wrote:

> getting out of beta. Obviously, it would have to be Perl-specific so it
> might be more legwork but the side-benefits would be great. Finding out a
> company is a Perl shop in this manner would be great. Then again, it might
> have to start with the group coming up with a list of all the Perl shops we
> know about.

Perl mongers only eat free food when offered by Perl shops? :-)

I might be misinterpreting the intent of the statement here, but surely if a
non-Perl shop offered food, hoards of ravenous Perl mongers would be happy
to visit them and eat it, and attempt to convert them to the joys of Perl? :-)

[Although I suspect it's hard(er) to make contact with non-Perl shops, *and*
what would be their motivation for giving away food? Other than a product
launch]

Nicholas Clark