From RNathan at baxglobal.com Sat May 1 11:52:59 2004 From: RNathan at baxglobal.com (Ranga Nathan) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:57 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Hi all - a question on socket client Message-ID: Hi all: I am new to LA.pm. I am still in Boston.pm. Guess that is legal :-) Any likelihood of seeing Damian Conway delivering 'Quantum Superpositions' or Lingua::Franca::Perligata? Got a question. I am testing a server that is running on the Big Iron. This trivial server simply echoes input and disconnects upon receiving 'END' or 'end'. When I run a telnet client from my linux box, it works fine. However when I run my perl socket client, it blocks on receive. That is, the script seems to 'hang' when it is receving. Seems like he is not seeing something telling him that there is no more. Has 'select' anything to do with it? Here is the code..... #!/usr/bin/perl -w use IO::Socket; my $sock = new IO::Socket::INET ( PeerAddr => 'mvs', PeerPort => '3000', Proto => 'tcp', ); die "Could not create socket: $!\n" unless $sock; print $sock "USQ1"; print "Response: ", <$sock>; print $sock "Hello there!\n"; print "Result : ",<$sock>; print $sock "end"; close($sock); 1; -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/losangeles-pm/attachments/20040501/20607433/attachment.htm From kevin at scaldeferri.com Mon May 3 11:42:14 2004 From: kevin at scaldeferri.com (Kevin Scaldeferri) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:57 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Hi all - a question on socket client In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40967666.2080108@scaldeferri.com> Ranga Nathan wrote: > > > Got a question. I am testing a server that is running on the Big Iron. > This trivial server simply echoes input and disconnects upon receiving > 'END' or 'end'. > When I run a telnet client from my linux box, it works fine. However > when I run my perl socket client, it blocks on receive. That is, the > script seems to 'hang' when it is receving. Seems like he is not > seeing something telling him that there is no more. Has 'select' > anything to do with it? > Probably the lack of newline here is your problem: > > print $sock "USQ1"; Since your socket connection is line-buffered, this hasn't actually been sent to the server at the point when you start listening on the next line. Kevin From ben_tilly at operamail.com Mon May 3 12:29:28 2004 From: ben_tilly at operamail.com (Benjamin J. Tilly ) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:57 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Hi all - a question on socket client Message-ID: <20040503172928.7832E3AA2A1@ws5-8.us4.outblaze.com> Kevin Scaldeferri wrote: > Ranga Nathan wrote: > > Got a question. I am testing a server that is running on the Big Iron. > > This trivial server simply echoes input and disconnects upon receiving > > 'END' or 'end'. [...] > > print $sock "USQ1"; > > > Since your socket connection is line-buffered, this hasn't actually been > sent to the server at the point when you start listening on the next line. The classic article on problems of this nature is http://perl.plover.com/FAQs/Buffering.html. If the output expected does not include a line ending, you can set autoflush on the socket. If you're using the IO::Handle stuff you can do that with the autoflush command, else my $oldfh = select(YOUR_SOCKET); $| = 1; select($oldfh); You can also run into buffering problems on the other end of the socket. Read the article above for a fuller explanation. Cheers, Ben From mlist at asesoft.ro Wed May 12 06:54:01 2004 From: mlist at asesoft.ro (MailingList) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:57 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] (no subject) Message-ID: <03f501c43817$d140e1b0$7560a8c0@asesoft.intl> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/losangeles-pm/attachments/20040512/ed9ec90d/attachment.htm From bill at daze.net Thu May 13 17:22:42 2004 From: bill at daze.net (bill@daze.net) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:57 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] anyone looking for dev work? Message-ID: <20040513151850.R47936@droid.daze.net> Hi all, Just visiting from OC.pm. The below described project is located in LA so I figured I would share this with our friends up north. ;) A friend of mine who runs a rather popular website has a project that is somewhere in the middle of development and is in need of a new developer to finish the project. Its a CMS with an integrated ad calendaring system and is being built for internal usage, and eventual market licensing (they already have interest in licensing of the product). They have been paying the previous developer every two weeks, with certain goals and schedules in place. It's written in Perl with a MySQL backend running in Apache (I'm not sure if they are using mod_perl) on FreeBSD. If any one would be interested in learning more about the project, please contact me off list and I will forward your details to the appropriate parties. Thanks! Bill Gerrard -- <=> ASK and you shall receive <=> From cohen4 at mindspring.com Mon May 17 06:27:44 2004 From: cohen4 at mindspring.com (David Cohen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:57 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] This just in: Mark Jason Dominus has finished writing his new book, "Higher Order Perl" and it's going to his publisher Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040517031558.0396f250@mail.mindspring.com> Extra, extra--read all about it: for those of you not on his book mailing list, MJD has finished (and titled) his book on doing functional programming in Perl programming, "Higher Order Perl" which, in Hollywood pitch-meeting lingo, might be described as the Wizard book meets the Llama book, a story of how ivory tower functional-programming techniques were smuggled out the pearly gates down into the Perl-y trenches...well, you get the idea. It was nice to see in the announcement that I got that some of our own LA.pm'ers were credited with helping, such as Ben Tilly. But taking pride of place was none other than our fearless leader, Robert Spier: >Most of the work of the last few weeks has been writing tests to >test the example code. In this, I was assisted by Robert Spier. I >can't say enough good things about Robert. He was amazingly diligent >and thorough, cheerful, and a pleasure to work with. I could not have >done the testing without him, and without the testing the book would >have been substantially worse. Kudos to you, Robert. In any case, it looks like the publisher, Morgan Kaufman, will be taking it from here--should be out in October. And...when it's all done, the book will also be freely available online--keep your eyes peeled. For more info on MJD's book, and to sign up on his mailing list, look here: http://perl.plover.com/book/ ___ DC P.S. For those of you wondering about SICP, aka the Wizard book, you can download it in its entirety here: http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/ P.P.S. If you're too lazy/busy to read the SICP book, watch Sussman and Abelson give a 20-part lecture series on the material here for employees of HP--download all the videos (in DivX, if you like) here: http://swiss.csail.mit.edu/classes/6.001/abelson-sussman-lectures/ P.P.P.S. And, for those of you who've read this far, if you are interested in seeing what the 21st century analog of Sussman and Abelson's book will be, check this out: http://www.info.ucl.ac.be/people/PVR/book.html Sadly, now that MIT Press has published it, "Concepts, Techniques, and Models of Computer Programming" the online draft is gone. Amazon has the book for a few bucks off...or just read the reviews: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0262220695/qid=1084790942/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/102-9162143-5796951?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 And this: http://lambda.weblogs.com/discuss/msgReader$4393 From RNathan at baxglobal.com Tue May 18 08:42:13 2004 From: RNathan at baxglobal.com (Ranga Nathan) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:57 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] This just in: Mark Jason Dominus has finished writing his new book, "Higher Order Perl" and it's going to his publisher In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040517031558.0396f250@mail.mindspring.com> Message-ID: This is great. I had the fortune to listent to MJD's Tricks of the Wizards and other presentations at YAPC and Boston.pm. I think we should invite MJD here for a book signing ceremony. Everytime I whip out some CGI code in Perl, I instinctly use Text::Template. Sometime ago, I wrote to MJD thanking him for his Text::Template contribution and asked him if I should buy him a pizza. Of course as the very first thing, his spam filter rejected my mail. I persevered. His reply was "If you like Text::Template, send a donation to FSF". I promptly followed his suggestion. I would like LA.pm to be able to invite MJD and another favorite Damian Conway (I need to buy his OO book too, and have it signed by him, g'day Damian!). Regards all..... David Cohen Sent by: losangeles-pm-bounces@mail.pm.org 05/17/2004 04:27 AM To: losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org cc: Subject: [LA.pm] This just in: Mark Jason Dominus has finished writing his new book, "Higher Order Perl" and it's going to his publisher Extra, extra--read all about it: for those of you not on his book mailing list, MJD has finished (and titled) his book on doing functional programming in Perl programming, "Higher Order Perl" which, in Hollywood pitch-meeting lingo, might be described as the Wizard book meets the Llama book, a story of how ivory tower functional-programming techniques were smuggled out the pearly gates down into the Perl-y trenches...well, you get the idea. It was nice to see in the announcement that I got that some of our own LA.pm'ers were credited with helping, such as Ben Tilly. But taking pride of place was none other than our fearless leader, Robert Spier: >Most of the work of the last few weeks has been writing tests to >test the example code. In this, I was assisted by Robert Spier. I >can't say enough good things about Robert. He was amazingly diligent >and thorough, cheerful, and a pleasure to work with. I could not have >done the testing without him, and without the testing the book would >have been substantially worse. Kudos to you, Robert. In any case, it looks like the publisher, Morgan Kaufman, will be taking it from here--should be out in October. And...when it's all done, the book will also be freely available online--keep your eyes peeled. For more info on MJD's book, and to sign up on his mailing list, look here: http://perl.plover.com/book/ ___ DC P.S. For those of you wondering about SICP, aka the Wizard book, you can download it in its entirety here: http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/ P.P.S. If you're too lazy/busy to read the SICP book, watch Sussman and Abelson give a 20-part lecture series on the material here for employees of HP--download all the videos (in DivX, if you like) here: http://swiss.csail.mit.edu/classes/6.001/abelson-sussman-lectures/ P.P.P.S. And, for those of you who've read this far, if you are interested in seeing what the 21st century analog of Sussman and Abelson's book will be, check this out: http://www.info.ucl.ac.be/people/PVR/book.html Sadly, now that MIT Press has published it, "Concepts, Techniques, and Models of Computer Programming" the online draft is gone. Amazon has the book for a few bucks off...or just read the reviews: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0262220695/qid=1084790942/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/102-9162143-5796951?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 And this: http://lambda.weblogs.com/discuss/msgReader$4393 _______________________________________________ Losangeles-pm mailing list Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/losangeles-pm/attachments/20040518/21f1fe79/attachment.htm From rspier at pobox.com Wed May 19 15:27:32 2004 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:57 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] This just in: Mark Jason Dominus has finished writing his new book, "Higher Order Perl" and it's going to his publisher In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040517031558.0396f250@mail.mindspring.com> Message-ID: > I would like LA.pm to be able to invite MJD and another favorite Damian > Conway (I need to buy his OO book too, and have it signed by him, g'day > Damian!). We can definitely invite them... but often that means finding the funds to get them here, or hoping they're in town. There's a possibility that Damian will do a stop this summer, but it looks slim. In other news, it looks like we'll be having a different author guest, Peter Scott, author of Perl Medic (http://www.perlmedic.com) in early June. It's great book. Highly Recommended. -R From rspier at pobox.com Thu May 20 00:29:50 2004 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:57 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Peter Scott coming to visit Message-ID: Tentative: Peter Scott visits... Tuesday, June 8th 7pm PF Chang's China Bistro http://www.pfchangs.com/index.jsp http://xrl.us/b4ai (Link to www.pfchangs.com) Burbank, CA I have a little bit of flexibility with day of week. If that Monday or Thursday are much better for anyone, say so ASAP. I want to try and firm the date up in the next 24 hours or so. We've got a bit more flexibility with the location. To be nice to peter, we're looking for something in the NoHo, Burbank, Glendale, Pasadena area. I picked PF Chang's, because it's opened this week and I've heard good things. -R From rspier at pobox.com Thu May 20 12:06:02 2004 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:57 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Peter Scott coming to visit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > We've got a bit more flexibility with the location. To be nice to > peter, we're looking for something in the NoHo, Burbank, Glendale, > Pasadena area. I picked PF Chang's, because it's opened this week and I've heard two people express a preference against PF Chang's, with reasonable reasons.... Sooooo... I'm hunting for a new place. One person suggested a Sushi place... but I'm not sure that's broad enough for everyone. -R From arkadiy at arkadiy.com Thu May 20 12:24:27 2004 From: arkadiy at arkadiy.com (Arkadiy) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:57 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Peter Scott coming to visit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002101c43e8f$4dec3e30$4501140a@rkdapparatus> I am cool wit' that. Toi? Whatever .. just lemme know. -----Original Message----- From: losangeles-pm-bounces@mail.pm.org [mailto:losangeles-pm-bounces@mail.pm.org] On Behalf Of Robert Spier Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 10:06 AM To: Los Angeles Perl Mongers Subject: Re: [LA.pm] Peter Scott coming to visit > We've got a bit more flexibility with the location. To be nice to > peter, we're looking for something in the NoHo, Burbank, Glendale, > Pasadena area. I picked PF Chang's, because it's opened this week and I've heard two people express a preference against PF Chang's, with reasonable reasons.... Sooooo... I'm hunting for a new place. One person suggested a Sushi place... but I'm not sure that's broad enough for everyone. -R _______________________________________________ Losangeles-pm mailing list Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm From arkadiy at arkadiy.com Thu May 20 12:25:38 2004 From: arkadiy at arkadiy.com (Arkadiy) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:57 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Peter Scott coming to visit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002201c43e8f$77e10ea0$4501140a@rkdapparatus> Also, I know I am violating some kind of rule here .. but we're hiring. Email me off-line. -----Original Message----- From: losangeles-pm-bounces@mail.pm.org [mailto:losangeles-pm-bounces@mail.pm.org] On Behalf Of Robert Spier Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 10:06 AM To: Los Angeles Perl Mongers Subject: Re: [LA.pm] Peter Scott coming to visit > We've got a bit more flexibility with the location. To be nice to > peter, we're looking for something in the NoHo, Burbank, Glendale, > Pasadena area. I picked PF Chang's, because it's opened this week and I've heard two people express a preference against PF Chang's, with reasonable reasons.... Sooooo... I'm hunting for a new place. One person suggested a Sushi place... but I'm not sure that's broad enough for everyone. -R _______________________________________________ Losangeles-pm mailing list Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm From kevin at scaldeferri.com Thu May 20 12:47:32 2004 From: kevin at scaldeferri.com (Kevin Scaldeferri) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:57 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Peter Scott coming to visit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40ACEF34.9070003@scaldeferri.com> Robert Spier wrote: >Tentative: > > Peter Scott visits... > Tuesday, June 8th > 7pm > PF Chang's China Bistro > http://www.pfchangs.com/index.jsp > http://xrl.us/b4ai (Link to www.pfchangs.com) > Burbank, CA > >I have a little bit of flexibility with day of week. If that Monday >or Thursday are much better for anyone, say so ASAP. I want to try >and firm the date up in the next 24 hours or so. > > I slightly prefer Monday >We've got a bit more flexibility with the location. To be nice to >peter, we're looking for something in the NoHo, Burbank, Glendale, >Pasadena area. I picked PF Chang's, because it's opened this week and >I've heard good things. > > Pasadena possibilities I'd suggest: Lucky Baldwin's (pub/beer), Soly Azul (mex) -kevin From vani at webchic.net Thu May 20 13:04:48 2004 From: vani at webchic.net (vani raja hansen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:57 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Peter Scott coming to visit In-Reply-To: <40ACEF34.9070003@scaldeferri.com> References: <40ACEF34.9070003@scaldeferri.com> Message-ID: <2ED6584E-AA88-11D8-9119-000A95E88B9E@webchic.net> On 20 May 2004, at 10.47, Kevin Scaldeferri wrote: >> We've got a bit more flexibility with the location. To be nice to >> peter, we're looking for something in the NoHo, Burbank, Glendale, >> Pasadena area. I picked PF Chang's, because it's opened this week and >> I've heard good things. >> > > Pasadena possibilities I'd suggest: Lucky Baldwin's (pub/beer), Soly > Azul (mex) Oooooh. Sol Azul is good... :o) - Vani From RNathan at baxglobal.com Thu May 20 13:17:09 2004 From: RNathan at baxglobal.com (Ranga Nathan) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:57 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Peter Scott coming to visit In-Reply-To: <2ED6584E-AA88-11D8-9119-000A95E88B9E@webchic.net> Message-ID: I am new to CA. Is this place very far from OC (Irvine)? vani raja hansen Sent by: losangeles-pm-bounces@mail.pm.org 05/20/2004 11:04 AM To: Los Angeles Perl Mongers cc: Subject: Re: [LA.pm] Peter Scott coming to visit On 20 May 2004, at 10.47, Kevin Scaldeferri wrote: >> We've got a bit more flexibility with the location. To be nice to >> peter, we're looking for something in the NoHo, Burbank, Glendale, >> Pasadena area. I picked PF Chang's, because it's opened this week and >> I've heard good things. >> > > Pasadena possibilities I'd suggest: Lucky Baldwin's (pub/beer), Soly > Azul (mex) Oooooh. Sol Azul is good... :o) - Vani _______________________________________________ Losangeles-pm mailing list Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sol Azul is good... :o) indeed, those are both good places, both close to where I live, both in a cool part of town ... both next door to each other and a coffee bean that stays open late. :) I haven't been to Soli Azul in quite a while ... what are the prices like over there? Lucky Baldwin's, OTOH ... I'm there frequently. Great fish 'n chips. (bring a jacket, folks; don't do what I did. Even if it's hot during the day, it can cool off a LOT in that area at night. 'Course, now that I've said that, it'll probably be 80 the night we're there ...) -- Scott Francis | darkuncle(at)darkuncle(dot)net | 0x5537F527 Teach a man to fish and he may feed himself. Give a man a fish and he'll ask you if you could please cook it for him while you're at it. -- #perl -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Give a man a fish and he'll ask you if you could please cook it for him while you're at it. -- #perl -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 187 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/losangeles-pm/attachments/20040520/9cf06f9d/attachment.bin From kevin at scaldeferri.com Thu May 20 14:13:13 2004 From: kevin at scaldeferri.com (Kevin Scaldeferri) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:57 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Rules? In-Reply-To: <002201c43e8f$77e10ea0$4501140a@rkdapparatus> References: <002201c43e8f$77e10ea0$4501140a@rkdapparatus> Message-ID: <40AD0349.7030903@scaldeferri.com> Arkadiy wrote: >Also, I know I am violating some kind of rule here > So, um, what/where are the rules? I didn't see any at la.pm.org or at the mailing list info page linked below. Thanks -kevin From skamkar at lucidx.com Thu May 20 15:48:51 2004 From: skamkar at lucidx.com (Samy Kamkar) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:57 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Rules? In-Reply-To: <40AD0349.7030903@scaldeferri.com> References: <002201c43e8f$77e10ea0$4501140a@rkdapparatus> <002201c43e8f$77e10ea0$4501140a@rkdapparatus> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20040520134727.025ed3d8@mail.lucidx.com> The first rule of LAPM is you do not talk about LAPM. The second rule of LAPM is you DO NOT talk about LAPM. ... At 12:13 PM 5/20/2004 -0700, Kevin Scaldeferri wrote: >Arkadiy wrote: > >>Also, I know I am violating some kind of rule here > >So, um, what/where are the rules? I didn't see any at la.pm.org or at >the mailing list info page linked below. > > >Thanks > > >-kevin >_______________________________________________ >Losangeles-pm mailing list >Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm From ben_tilly at operamail.com Thu May 20 16:19:58 2004 From: ben_tilly at operamail.com (Benjamin J. Tilly ) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:57 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Rules? Message-ID: <20040520211958.6BC573AA2A1@ws5-8.us4.outblaze.com> Kevin Scaldeferri wrote: > Arkadiy wrote: > > >Also, I know I am violating some kind of rule here > > > > So, um, what/where are the rules? I didn't see any at la.pm.org or at > the mailing list info page linked below. There aren't any that I know of beyond usual netiquitte for any online group. Arkadiy is probably thinking of an incident a few months ago where someone advertised a job and I requested that that be sent to jobs.perl.org. After a short subsequent discussion the conclusion is that this group's informal rules are different from the more spread-out communities that I'm used to, and nobody really disliked appropriate job announcements. Cheers, Ben From kevin at scaldeferri.com Thu May 20 16:56:15 2004 From: kevin at scaldeferri.com (Kevin Scaldeferri) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:57 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Rules? In-Reply-To: <20040520211958.6BC573AA2A1@ws5-8.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20040520211958.6BC573AA2A1@ws5-8.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <40AD297F.7020407@scaldeferri.com> > >Arkadiy is probably thinking of an incident a few months ago >where someone advertised a job and I requested that that be sent >to jobs.perl.org. After a short subsequent discussion the >conclusion is that this group's informal rules are different >from the more spread-out communities that I'm used to, and >nobody really disliked appropriate job announcements. > > > Okay, well if that's the case, I'll mention that I also have a few Perl developer positions available. I'm feeling to lazy to type up a full job description, but if you have solid experience with high-volume, dynamic web sites and the idea of serving ~1 billion requests a day excites you, send me an email/resume. -kevin From e at arix.com Mon May 24 02:25:25 2004 From: e at arix.com (Erick Calder) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:58 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Rules? In-Reply-To: <40AD297F.7020407@scaldeferri.com> Message-ID: I guess the market must be heating up. Anyone with Sybase/Perl experience interested in working in Pasadena can send me a c.v. I think the position can go either contract or perm. - e -----Original Message----- From: losangeles-pm-bounces@mail.pm.org [mailto:losangeles-pm-bounces@mail.pm.org]On Behalf Of Kevin Scaldeferri Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 2:56 PM To: 'Los Angeles Perl Mongers' Subject: Re: [LA.pm] Rules? > >Arkadiy is probably thinking of an incident a few months ago >where someone advertised a job and I requested that that be sent >to jobs.perl.org. After a short subsequent discussion the >conclusion is that this group's informal rules are different >from the more spread-out communities that I'm used to, and >nobody really disliked appropriate job announcements. > > > Okay, well if that's the case, I'll mention that I also have a few Perl developer positions available. I'm feeling to lazy to type up a full job description, but if you have solid experience with high-volume, dynamic web sites and the idea of serving ~1 billion requests a day excites you, send me an email/resume. -kevin _______________________________________________ Losangeles-pm mailing list Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm From dgwilson at gtemail.net Mon May 24 14:11:50 2004 From: dgwilson at gtemail.net (Douglas Wilson) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:58 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Peter Scott coming to visit Message-ID: <20040524191150.4C3793740C4@ws3-2.us4.outblaze.com> Last time, I had to leave at 5pm to get to LA by 7pm. I don't think Pasadena is any better :) I'm not sure if I've followed this thread completely, so is the time/location final yet? If I do drive, I'll announce it on the OC.pm list, so you should join that list if you're in that area and want to share a ride :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Ranga Nathan Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 11:17:09 -0700 To: Los Angeles Perl Mongers Subject: Re: [LA.pm] Peter Scott coming to visit I am new to CA. Is this place very far from OC (Irvine)? vani raja hansen Sent by: losangeles-pm-bounces@mail.pm.org 05/20/2004 11:04 AM???????? ??????? To:??????? Los Angeles Perl Mongers ??????? cc:???????? ??????? Subject:??????? Re: [LA.pm] Peter Scott coming to visit On 20 May 2004, at 10.47, Kevin Scaldeferri wrote: >> We've got a bit more flexibility with the location.? To be nice to >> peter, we're looking for something in the NoHo, Burbank, Glendale, >> Pasadena area.? I picked PF Chang's, because it's opened this week and >> I've heard good things. >> > > Pasadena possibilities I'd suggest:? Lucky Baldwin's (pub/beer), Soly > Azul (mex) Oooooh. Sol Azul is good... :o) ?- Vani _______________________________________________ Losangeles-pm mailing list Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm > > _______________________________________________ > Losangeles-pm mailing list > Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm -- _______________________________________________ Get your free Verizonmail at www.verizonmail.com From kevin at scaldeferri.com Mon May 24 15:01:13 2004 From: kevin at scaldeferri.com (Kevin Scaldeferri) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:58 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Peter Scott coming to visit In-Reply-To: <20040524191150.4C3793740C4@ws3-2.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20040524191150.4C3793740C4@ws3-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <40B25489.9030104@scaldeferri.com> Douglas Wilson wrote: >Last time, I had to leave at 5pm to get >to LA by 7pm. I don't think Pasadena is >any better :) > >I'm not sure if I've followed this thread completely, >so is the time/location final yet? > >If I do drive, I'll announce it on the OC.pm >list, so you should join that list if you're >in that area and want to share a ride :) > > If you can get to a metro stop without too much pain, and if Pasadena is the location (which it's not clear we've actually decided), you might be better off to take that option. The Gold Line comes to within a couple blocks of the restaurants I mentioned. Unfortunately, I don't think there's a stop anywhere all that close to Irvine :-(. From fred.kleindenst at citigroup.com Mon May 24 16:22:14 2004 From: fred.kleindenst at citigroup.com (Kleindenst, Fred) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:58 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Peter Scott coming to visit Message-ID: <1E6014B28FEE6F43A5F49C6628B7B85E023D1F0C@EXNJMB11.nam.nsroot.net> I love my car -- trains in LA are a joke, but in this case you are actually in luck: Metrolink to Union Station, http://www.metrolinktrains.com/lines/line_orange_county/stations/station_irvine.php Union Station to Pasadena on the Gold line http://www.metro.net/riding_metro/metro_rail/gold_line/default.htm I've ridden both these and they are very comfortable. The walk from either the del Mar or Union St station in Pasadena to the restaurant is about 4 blocks. ============================================================================= Fred Kleindenst Fred.Kleindenst@citigroup.com Internet Platforms 310.302.3801 -----Original Message----- From: losangeles-pm-bounces@mail.pm.org [mailto:losangeles-pm-bounces@mail.pm.org]On Behalf Of Kevin Scaldeferri Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 1:01 PM To: Douglas Wilson Cc: Los Angeles Perl Mongers Subject: Re: [LA.pm] Peter Scott coming to visit Douglas Wilson wrote: >Last time, I had to leave at 5pm to get >to LA by 7pm. I don't think Pasadena is >any better :) > >I'm not sure if I've followed this thread completely, >so is the time/location final yet? > >If I do drive, I'll announce it on the OC.pm >list, so you should join that list if you're >in that area and want to share a ride :) > > If you can get to a metro stop without too much pain, and if Pasadena is the location (which it's not clear we've actually decided), you might be better off to take that option. The Gold Line comes to within a couple blocks of the restaurants I mentioned. Unfortunately, I don't think there's a stop anywhere all that close to Irvine :-(. _______________________________________________ Losangeles-pm mailing list Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm From bill at daze.net Mon May 24 16:56:51 2004 From: bill at daze.net (bill@daze.net) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:58 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Peter Scott coming to visit In-Reply-To: <1E6014B28FEE6F43A5F49C6628B7B85E023D1F0C@EXNJMB11.nam.nsroot.net> References: <1E6014B28FEE6F43A5F49C6628B7B85E023D1F0C@EXNJMB11.nam.nsroot.net> Message-ID: <20040524144432.J55819@droid.daze.net> I decided to look at the train schedule since I work across the street from the Irvine station. The one problem I see with the train is that the last train heading back to Irvine leaves Union Station at 6:30pm. So you could possibly get to Pasadena by train but it would be hard to get home. :) From fred.kleindenst at citigroup.com Mon May 24 17:21:14 2004 From: fred.kleindenst at citigroup.com (Kleindenst, Fred) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:58 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Peter Scott coming to visit Message-ID: <1E6014B28FEE6F43A5F49C6628B7B85E023D1F33@EXNJMB11.nam.nsroot.net> Oh, Like I said, in Los Angeles, trains suck. Actually, there is a train, but you wouldn't know if from the link I sent in the last message. I didn't see a link off of the metrolink website to http://www.AMTRAK.com which runs trains on exactly the same line, with exactly the same stations/stops. Check the rail2rail promo graphic on metrolink. -Fred ============================================================================= Fred Kleindenst Fred.Kleindenst@citigroup.com Internet Platforms 310.302.3801 -----Original Message----- From: losangeles-pm-bounces@mail.pm.org [mailto:losangeles-pm-bounces@mail.pm.org]On Behalf Of bill@daze.net Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 2:57 PM To: Los Angeles Perl Mongers Subject: RE: [LA.pm] Peter Scott coming to visit I decided to look at the train schedule since I work across the street from the Irvine station. The one problem I see with the train is that the last train heading back to Irvine leaves Union Station at 6:30pm. So you could possibly get to Pasadena by train but it would be hard to get home. :) _______________________________________________ Losangeles-pm mailing list Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm From kevin at scaldeferri.com Mon May 24 17:35:51 2004 From: kevin at scaldeferri.com (Kevin Scaldeferri) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:58 2004 Subject: OT: trains (Was: Re: [LA.pm] Peter Scott coming to visit) In-Reply-To: <1E6014B28FEE6F43A5F49C6628B7B85E023D1F33@EXNJMB11.nam.nsroot.net> References: <1E6014B28FEE6F43A5F49C6628B7B85E023D1F33@EXNJMB11.nam.nsroot.net> Message-ID: <40B278C7.9010007@scaldeferri.com> Kleindenst, Fred wrote: >Oh, Like I said, in Los Angeles, trains suck. > > It depends a lot. I only mentioned it because I used the Metro to get to and from the last meeting and it was convenient (for the two endpoints in question) and vastly easier than driving the same route at 6pm. -k From ben_tilly at operamail.com Mon May 24 17:46:45 2004 From: ben_tilly at operamail.com (Benjamin J. Tilly ) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:58 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Peter Scott coming to visit Message-ID: <20040524224645.891103AA2A1@ws5-8.us4.outblaze.com> "Kleindenst, Fred" wrote: > > I love my car -- trains in LA are a joke, but in this case you are actually in luck: [...] Historical note. Part of the reasons why mass transit in LA is a joke is because the automobile industry realized back in the 50s that they could make a profit by buying mass transit companies, killing them, and then selling cars to people who need to get around. If ever LA experiences viable mass transit, I'm sure that you'll love it. If for no other reason than how many cars it gets off of the road, cutting down on gridlock. Cheers, Ben From kevin at scaldeferri.com Mon May 24 18:19:17 2004 From: kevin at scaldeferri.com (Kevin Scaldeferri) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:58 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Wide character warnings from Test::Builder Message-ID: <40B282F5.6020104@scaldeferri.com> Back on topic... I've got some unit tests which have the annoying property of complaining about wide characters. Here's a simple test which reproduces the problem ======================= #!/usr/local/bin/perl use strict; use warnings; use Test::More tests => 1; my $korean = "\x{B514}\x{C790}\x{C778} \x{BA85}\x{D568}"; ok(1, $korean); ===================== This produces the output: [kevin]% perl foo.t 1..1 Wide character in print at /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0/Test/Builder.pm line 894. ok 1 - ?? even though I have my locale set to UTF-8. If I just print the term, there is no complaint. I spent a while looking at the Test::More and Test::Builder code and tried pulling bits out (duping STDOUT, pushing it through the filtering regex) and I couldn't make the warning happen. Has anyone else experienced this problem and know how to avoid it? -kevin From geoff at modperlcookbook.org Mon May 24 19:21:19 2004 From: geoff at modperlcookbook.org (Geoffrey Young) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:58 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Wide character warnings from Test::Builder In-Reply-To: <40B282F5.6020104@scaldeferri.com> References: <40B282F5.6020104@scaldeferri.com> Message-ID: <40B2917F.7080505@modperlcookbook.org> > ok(1, $korean); > ===================== > Wide character in print at /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0/Test/Builder.pm line 894. > ok 1 - ?? if you change that to ok(1, $korean, 'my korean test'); you'll only get that warning on failures IIRC. at least that's what I've been doing lately. > Has anyone else experienced this problem and know how to avoid it? no warnings qw(utf8); is supposed to suppress these kind of things, but I haven't gotten it to work from afar using a similar setup. HTH --Geoff From geoff at modperlcookbook.org Mon May 24 19:38:02 2004 From: geoff at modperlcookbook.org (Geoffrey Young) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:58 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Wide character warnings from Test::Builder In-Reply-To: <40B2917F.7080505@modperlcookbook.org> References: <40B282F5.6020104@scaldeferri.com> <40B2917F.7080505@modperlcookbook.org> Message-ID: <40B2956A.4070408@modperlcookbook.org> Geoffrey Young wrote: >>ok(1, $korean); >>===================== > > >>Wide character in print at /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0/Test/Builder.pm line 894. >>ok 1 - ?? > > > if you change that to > > ok(1, $korean, 'my korean test'); whoops, that should be is() not ok(). --Geoff From kevin at scaldeferri.com Tue May 25 01:19:11 2004 From: kevin at scaldeferri.com (Kevin Scaldeferri) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:58 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Wide character warnings from Test::Builder In-Reply-To: <40B2956A.4070408@modperlcookbook.org> References: <40B282F5.6020104@scaldeferri.com> <40B2917F.7080505@modperlcookbook.org> <40B2956A.4070408@modperlcookbook.org> Message-ID: <701E4CA0-AE13-11D8-BCF7-003065FBAE06@scaldeferri.com> On 24/05/2004, at 5:38 PM, Geoffrey Young wrote: > > > Geoffrey Young wrote: >>> ok(1, $korean); >>> ===================== >> >> >>> Wide character in print at /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0/Test/Builder.pm line >>> 894. >>> ok 1 - ?? >> > > > no warnings qw(utf8); > > is supposed to suppress these kind of things, but I haven't gotten it > to > work from afar using a similar setup. > Yeah, it definitely doesn't suppress that warning :-( >> >> if you change that to >> >> ok(1, $korean, 'my korean test'); > > whoops, that should be is() not ok(). It's true, I could just uri_escape the string in the test name and it would actually be more meaningful to me than the korean characters. However, I'd really like to understand what's going on here. There really shouldn't be any warning printed and I can't figure out what the funny business is that's going on inside Test::Builder. -kevin From geoff at modperlcookbook.org Tue May 25 06:38:43 2004 From: geoff at modperlcookbook.org (Geoffrey Young) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:58 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Wide character warnings from Test::Builder In-Reply-To: <701E4CA0-AE13-11D8-BCF7-003065FBAE06@scaldeferri.com> References: <40B282F5.6020104@scaldeferri.com> <40B2917F.7080505@modperlcookbook.org> <40B2956A.4070408@modperlcookbook.org> <701E4CA0-AE13-11D8-BCF7-003065FBAE06@scaldeferri.com> Message-ID: <40B33043.1040405@modperlcookbook.org> > However, I'd really like to understand what's going on here. There > really shouldn't be any warning printed and I can't figure out what the > funny business is that's going on inside Test::Builder. it's not funny business, but rather the results from a typical use of warnings: $ perl -e 'use warnings; print "\x{B514}\x{C790}\x{C778} \x{BA85}\x{D568}"' Wide character in print at -e line 1. ... no warnings qw(utf8) gets rid of it, but the warnings pragma isn't supposed to work at a distance like we want it to. you might try local $^W=0; but that will suppress all warnings, not just the utf8 ones, which is kinda against the point if you care about these kind of things. --Geoff From darkuncle at darkuncle.net Wed May 26 09:01:59 2004 From: darkuncle at darkuncle.net (Scott Francis) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:58 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Peter Scott coming to visit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040526140159.GA9543@darkuncle.net> On Wed, May 19, 2004 at 10:29:50PM -0700, rspier@pobox.com said: > > Tentative: > > Peter Scott visits... > Tuesday, June 8th > 7pm > PF Chang's China Bistro > http://www.pfchangs.com/index.jsp > http://xrl.us/b4ai (Link to www.pfchangs.com) > Burbank, CA so ... I just got caught up on my list mail, and there has been much discussion about mass transit and eateries in Pasadena, but if there was a consensus reached, I appear to have missed it. Still Tuesday 8 June 8 at 7P? Or would Monday be better? As to location, If it's in Pasadena, I'll be there. cheers, -- Scott Francis | darkuncle(at)darkuncle(dot)net | 0x5537F527 To "get it" means knowing that it is better to have a system that is working and an admin who isn't than it is to have an admin who is working and a system that isn't. -- Hershel Remer on UUASC -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There >>really shouldn't be any warning printed and I can't figure out what the >>funny business is that's going on inside Test::Builder. >> >> > >it's not funny business, but rather the results from a typical use of warnings: > >$ perl -e 'use warnings; print "\x{B514}\x{C790}\x{C778} \x{BA85}\x{D568}"' >Wide character in print at -e line 1. >... > > > It would be, but I'm in a locale that understands wide characters. So, for me, that command doesn't print a warning. Similarly, if I just print the string in my test case, there is no warning. >no warnings qw(utf8) gets rid of it, but the warnings pragma isn't supposed >to work at a distance like we want it to. you might try > > local $^W=0; > >but that will suppress all warnings, not just the utf8 ones, which is kinda >against the point if you care about these kind of things. > And, it doesn't actually seem to block this warning :-( Something really odd seems to happen in Test::Builder, although the code looks fairly straightforward. Even if I grab the filehandle and explicitly binmode it, I still get the warning: ===================== #!/usr/local/bin/perl use strict; use Test::More tests => 1; use Test::Builder; my $korean = "\x{B514}\x{C790}\x{C778} \x{BA85}\x{D568}"; ok(1, $korean); print("---\n"); print($korean,"\n"); print("---\n"); #Test::Builder is a singleton, so this should be the exact same filehandle my $fh =Test::Builder->new()->output() ; binmode($fh,":utf8"); print $fh $korean, "\n"; ====================== [kevin]% perl foo.t 1..1 Wide character in print at /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0/Test/Builder.pm line 894. ok 1 - ??? ?? --- ??? ?? --- Wide character in print at /home/kevin/bin/foo.t line 26. ??? ?? =============== I tried pulling a bunch of code out of Test::Builder and doing exactly the same filehandle and input manipulations they do and I couldn't reproduce the warning outside of that module. -kevin From rspier at pobox.com Thu May 27 00:04:14 2004 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:58 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Peter Scott coming to visit In-Reply-To: <20040526140159.GA9543@darkuncle.net> References: <20040526140159.GA9543@darkuncle.net> Message-ID: > so ... I just got caught up on my list mail, and there has been much > discussion about mass transit and eateries in Pasadena, but if there > was a consensus reached, I appear to have missed it. Still Tuesday 8 > June 8 at 7P? Or would Monday be better? As to location, If it's in > Pasadena, I'll be there. I got sidetracked. We're on for Tuesday, June 8th at 7pm, unless Peter chimes in. As for location, most people seem happy with Pasadena, and there's a decent selection there. So... since my brain is fried, I leave it to the list to achieve consensus. (Or someone else to pick up the chopsticks of decisiveness for this meal.) Try and pick something that will have something for everyone, which in Los Angeles means carnivores, herbivores, people who require gluten free, people who don't like cilantro, etc. (For me, I'm good for anything.) -R