From rspier at pobox.com Sun Mar 2 13:27:49 2003 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:53 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] ANNOUNCE: Tuesday - Dinner with Peter Scott Message-ID: A Social Dinner with Peter Scott, author of Perl Debugged. http://www.perldebugged.com/ Tuesday, March 4th, 2003 7pm The original... Bob's Big Boy http://www.bobs.net/ Burbank/Toluca Lake 4211 Riverside Drive http://xrl.us/c8u <- Link to Yahoo Maps Directions: 101 to Barham, over the hill, left on Pass, left on Riverside. It's on the right. or.. 134 to Pass Ave, turn "South", and then Right on Riverside. (For best results, double check with your favorite mapping website.) The restaurant has a lot, with plenty of parking. Also, Peter has said he's going to bring a copy of his book to raffle off. Must be present to win. No purchase necessary. See official rules for details. We'll also be raffling off a free 1 year subscription to p5p, (courtesy of Ask). I'll try and have some sort of Perl Mongers identifying material on me.. Or I'll bring my camel. (Stuffed, not bound.) -R From arkadiy at arkadiy.com Mon Mar 3 23:37:58 2003 From: arkadiy at arkadiy.com (Arkadiy Sudarikov) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:53 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] FW: Perl Modules Message-ID: Perl Mongers, How do I install a Perl Module on a Unix-flavored machine if I don't have root, but a mere user account, with shell? I know we covered the topic exactly a year ago, but .. run it by me again? Let's say I don't have XML::Twig or HTML::Template modules. I don't have root. I do have perl5.6.0 Anything I can do to take advantage of those modules? danke, Arkadiy From jleader at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Mar 4 00:30:50 2003 From: jleader at alumni.caltech.edu (Jeremy Leader) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:53 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] FW: Perl Modules In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.2.20030303222301.00b25410@mail.altrionet.com> At 09:37 PM 3/3/03 , Arkadiy Sudarikov wrote: >How do I install a Perl Module on a Unix-flavored machine if I don't have >root, but a mere user account, with shell? I believe you can configure the cpan program to pass LIB=~/perl (or someplace else of your choice) to the "perl Makefile.PL" command. You'd probably also have to set your PERL5LIB path (and perhaps also PATH or LD_LIBRARY_PATH) to search this directory before searching the standard Perl directories. Jeremy From cohen4 at mindspring.com Tue Mar 4 00:35:44 2003 From: cohen4 at mindspring.com (David Cohen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:53 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] FW: Perl Modules [please delete previous] Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030303223353.029275e0@mail.mindspring.com> Once more, with a proper subject line (please delete previous): Here's another way or two: Let's say your home directory is /home/sudarikov And let's say you want to use XML::Twig. First, install the module in your home directory. Second, you get Perl to add the path to your home directory to its list of library directories like so at the top of your Perl file: #!/usr/bin/perl -I/home/sudarikov (the "-I" includes the path that follows in @INC, the list of directories that Perl knows to search for libraries) And then, soon after, you say: use "XML::Twig"; Alternatively, you can add the path to the PERL5LIB environment variable in your Unix shell if you know how (you edit the file your shell uses to set these variables--depending on which shell you are using, the name of the file will be different--if you're using the "bash" shell, the file will be .bashrc or if you're using the "c shell" (csh) then the file will be .cshrc, etc.). Then you can also say: use "XML::Twig"; There are other similar ideas--you can use "require" instead of "use", so you can specify the file directly like this: require "/home/sudarikov/XML/Twig.pm" This doesn't require using the -I/home/sudarikov thing, but this is uglier--you are not treating the thing like a library but like a file. You might want to read this for more info on use and require, etc.: http://take23.org/docs/guide/perl.xml/8 ___ DC From anthonym at overture.com Tue Mar 4 12:38:12 2003 From: anthonym at overture.com (Anthony Molinaro) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:53 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] FW: Perl Modules In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20030303222301.00b25410@mail.altrionet.com> References: <4.2.2.20030303222301.00b25410@mail.altrionet.com> Message-ID: <20030304183812.GB27808@overture.com> Actually, I believe you may want to use PREFIX=~/perl, then set your PERL5LIB path to include ~/perl/lib/perl5 and ~/perl/lib/perl5/site_perl. So a quick example might be. % perl Makefile.pl PREFIX=$HOME/perl % make % make install % PERL5LIB=$HOME/perl/lib/perl5:$HOME/perl/lib/perl5/site_perl \ perldoc -l New::Module The final command should print out the path to the module which should be in $HOME/perl/ somewhere. -Anthony On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 10:30:50PM -0800, Jeremy Leader wrote: > At 09:37 PM 3/3/03 , Arkadiy Sudarikov wrote: > >How do I install a Perl Module on a Unix-flavored machine if I don't have > >root, but a mere user account, with shell? > > I believe you can configure the cpan program to pass LIB=~/perl > (or someplace else of your choice) to the "perl Makefile.PL" > command. You'd probably also have to set your PERL5LIB path (and > perhaps also PATH or LD_LIBRARY_PATH) to search this directory > before searching the standard Perl directories. > > Jeremy > > _______________________________________________ > Losangeles-pm mailing list > Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Anthony Molinaro From john at mediaOnFire.com Tue Mar 4 13:07:43 2003 From: john at mediaOnFire.com (John W. Palmieri) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:53 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] FW: Perl Modules In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E64F97F.2030505@mediaOnFire.com> Arkadiy Sudarikov wrote: > How do I install a Perl Module on a Unix-flavored machine if I don't have > root, but a mere user account, with shell? I know we covered the topic > exactly a year ago, but .. run it by me again? For the build and install: PERL5LIB=/your/perl/dir ; export PERL5LIB perl Makefile.PL LIB=/your/perl/dir PREFIX=/your/perl/dir Using: PERL5LIB=/your/perl/dir ; export PERL5LIB -or- use lib qw(/your/perl/dir); -or- #!/path/to/perl -I/your/perl/dir Cheers, John -- John W. Palmieri Systems Support Programmer Banking & Brokerage Thomson Financial From rspier at pobox.com Wed Mar 5 15:28:57 2003 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:53 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] The odds of finger games In-Reply-To: <20030227002514.I54247@miette.develooper.com> References: <20030227002514.I54247@miette.develooper.com> Message-ID: Apparently the finger circle thingy we did at the very fun meeting last night actually is fair, as long as you assume that everyones hand is a perfect RNG. (Of course, you can't assume that every person is a perfect random number generator... but that's a different discussion.) This little program simulates every possible possible combination of five fingers and six people, builds up the sum, and then does the mods. The curve on the raw sums is just as we expected, peaking at 15... but once mod-ded it all balances out: 0: 7776 1: 7776 2: 7776 3: 7776 4: 7776 5: 7776 use strict; use warnings; use Set::CrossProduct; my $people = 6; my $fingers = 5; my $hand = [0..$fingers]; my $it = Set::CrossProduct->new( [($hand)x $people] ); my %sums = (); my %modsums = (); while (my $tuple = $it->get) { my $t; $t += $_ for @$tuple; $sums{$t}++; $modsums{$t%$people}++; } # Output non-mod-ed values (sum of all fingers) #print "$_: $sums{$_}\n" # for (sort {$a <=> $b} keys %sums); # Output mod-ed values, i.e. "people" print "$_: $modsums{$_}\n" for (sort {$a <=> $b} keys %modsums); -R From e at arix.com Wed Mar 5 15:54:51 2003 From: e at arix.com (Erick Calder) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:53 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] The odds of finger games In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007f01c2e361$d93f91b0$8200a8c0@mithrandir> I had a great time guys. I really wanted that mousepad!! but I figured Ask could make better use of it than I since I mostly work on a laptop. btw, the http://pm.org isn't defined... I have to http://www.pm.org -----Original Message----- From: losangeles-pm-admin@mail.pm.org [mailto:losangeles-pm-admin@mail.pm.org]On Behalf Of Robert Spier Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 1:29 PM To: losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org Cc: Peter Scott Subject: [LA.pm] The odds of finger games Apparently the finger circle thingy we did at the very fun meeting last night actually is fair, as long as you assume that everyones hand is a perfect RNG. (Of course, you can't assume that every person is a perfect random number generator... but that's a different discussion.) This little program simulates every possible possible combination of five fingers and six people, builds up the sum, and then does the mods. The curve on the raw sums is just as we expected, peaking at 15... but once mod-ded it all balances out: 0: 7776 1: 7776 2: 7776 3: 7776 4: 7776 5: 7776 use strict; use warnings; use Set::CrossProduct; my $people = 6; my $fingers = 5; my $hand = [0..$fingers]; my $it = Set::CrossProduct->new( [($hand)x $people] ); my %sums = (); my %modsums = (); while (my $tuple = $it->get) { my $t; $t += $_ for @$tuple; $sums{$t}++; $modsums{$t%$people}++; } # Output non-mod-ed values (sum of all fingers) #print "$_: $sums{$_}\n" # for (sort {$a <=> $b} keys %sums); # Output mod-ed values, i.e. "people" print "$_: $modsums{$_}\n" for (sort {$a <=> $b} keys %modsums); -R _______________________________________________ Losangeles-pm mailing list Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm From rspier at pobox.com Wed Mar 5 16:30:50 2003 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:53 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] The odds of finger games In-Reply-To: <007f01c2e361$d93f91b0$8200a8c0@mithrandir> References: <007f01c2e361$d93f91b0$8200a8c0@mithrandir> Message-ID: > I had a great time guys. I really wanted that mousepad!! but I figured Ask > could make better use of it than I since I mostly work on a laptop. There may be more mousepads in the future... > btw, the http://pm.org isn't defined... I have to http://www.pm.org The person in charge of the DNS feels strongly about that. -R From darkuncle at darkuncle.net Wed Mar 5 16:54:35 2003 From: darkuncle at darkuncle.net (Scott Francis) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:53 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] The odds of finger games In-Reply-To: <007f01c2e361$d93f91b0$8200a8c0@mithrandir> References: <007f01c2e361$d93f91b0$8200a8c0@mithrandir> Message-ID: <20030305225435.GE188@darkuncle.net> On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 01:54:51PM -0800, e@arix.com said: > I had a great time guys. I really wanted that mousepad!! but I figured Ask > could make better use of it than I since I mostly work on a laptop. Yes, big thanks to everybody that came, to Robert for organizing, and to Peter for showing up and talking and donating stuff. :) > btw, the http://pm.org isn't defined... I have to http://www.pm.org If you think about it a minute, it doesn't really make any sense to type 'http://domain.tld' into your browser anyway. It's a DOMAIN, not a machine with an IP address. For years people have been adding A records for domains, but this practice is more due to laziness on the part of Joe Random AOL User wanting to type domain.com into his browser, than due to any adherence to the RFCs. (btw, nice bit of code there Robrt) -- Scott Francis || darkuncle (at) darkuncle (dot) net illum oportet crescere me autem minui -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 187 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/losangeles-pm/attachments/20030305/0452833d/attachment.bin From e at arix.com Wed Mar 5 17:12:48 2003 From: e at arix.com (Erick Calder) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:53 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] The odds of finger games In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <008701c2e36c$bccba130$8200a8c0@mithrandir> > The person in charge of the DNS feels strongly about that. what an odd predisposition. I've oft thought of the www as rather superfluous. -----Original Message----- From: losangeles-pm-admin@mail.pm.org [mailto:losangeles-pm-admin@mail.pm.org]On Behalf Of Robert Spier Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 2:31 PM To: losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org Subject: Re: [LA.pm] The odds of finger games > I had a great time guys. I really wanted that mousepad!! but I figured Ask > could make better use of it than I since I mostly work on a laptop. There may be more mousepads in the future... > btw, the http://pm.org isn't defined... I have to http://www.pm.org The person in charge of the DNS feels strongly about that. -R _______________________________________________ Losangeles-pm mailing list Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm From e at arix.com Wed Mar 5 17:19:01 2003 From: e at arix.com (Erick Calder) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:53 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] The odds of finger games In-Reply-To: <20030305225435.GE188@darkuncle.net> Message-ID: <009001c2e36d$9b248f00$8200a8c0@mithrandir> > It's a DOMAIN, not a machine with an IP address sure, but those are details that matter little. if I'm making an http request from a domain, do I really care which host is serving it? and if 99% of the time the host is always called the same, why should I bother typing its name? if you had several hosts within a domain that all serve stuff on http I can understand you'd need to type the host name but even then a default is nice. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Francis [mailto:darkuncle@darkuncle.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 2:55 PM To: Erick Calder Cc: losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org Subject: Re: [LA.pm] The odds of finger games On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 01:54:51PM -0800, e@arix.com said: > I had a great time guys. I really wanted that mousepad!! but I figured Ask > could make better use of it than I since I mostly work on a laptop. Yes, big thanks to everybody that came, to Robert for organizing, and to Peter for showing up and talking and donating stuff. :) > btw, the http://pm.org isn't defined... I have to http://www.pm.org If you think about it a minute, it doesn't really make any sense to type 'http://domain.tld' into your browser anyway. It's a DOMAIN, not a machine with an IP address. For years people have been adding A records for domains, but this practice is more due to laziness on the part of Joe Random AOL User wanting to type domain.com into his browser, than due to any adherence to the RFCs. (btw, nice bit of code there Robrt) -- Scott Francis || darkuncle (at) darkuncle (dot) net illum oportet crescere me autem minui From ehammond at thinksome.com Wed Mar 5 18:06:41 2003 From: ehammond at thinksome.com (Eric Hammond) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:53 2004 Subject: [lapm] RE: [LA.pm] The odds of finger games In-Reply-To: <009001c2e36d$9b248f00$8200a8c0@mithrandir> References: <20030305225435.GE188@darkuncle.net> <009001c2e36d$9b248f00$8200a8c0@mithrandir> Message-ID: <20030306000641.GA17453@brog> Erick Calder wrote: > if I'm making an http request from a domain, do I really care > which host is serving it? I always thought that HTTP host DNS resolution should have been handled in a manner similar to SMTP, with the option of using MX records to indicate which specific host(s) handle HTTP traffic for that domain. I fall into the practical camp instead of the theoretical camp on this issue. Since "domain.tld" can resolve to an IP, and it's something that a lot of users type, I implement it and generally redirect the user to "www.domain.tld" for consistency. Of course, I redirect the other way from "www.notlong.com" to "notlong.com" because of the nature of the service. oblapm: Robert, did you also calculate the probability distribution of your single finger, binary, modulus, algorithm? If I understand it correctly, I think it will give some lower numbered participants an unfair advantage unless the number of participants is a power of 2. -- Eric Hammond ehammond@thinksome.com From rspier at pobox.com Wed Mar 5 18:12:46 2003 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:53 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] The odds of finger games In-Reply-To: <20030305225435.GE188@darkuncle.net> References: <007f01c2e361$d93f91b0$8200a8c0@mithrandir> <20030305225435.GE188@darkuncle.net> Message-ID: > (btw, nice bit of code there Robrt) I tried. :) From rspier at pobox.com Wed Mar 5 19:15:01 2003 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:53 2004 Subject: [lapm] RE: [LA.pm] The odds of finger games In-Reply-To: <20030306000641.GA17453@brog> References: <20030305225435.GE188@darkuncle.net> <009001c2e36d$9b248f00$8200a8c0@mithrandir> <20030306000641.GA17453@brog> Message-ID: > oblapm: Robert, did you also calculate the probability > distribution of your single finger, binary, modulus, algorithm? > If I understand it correctly, I think it will give some lower > numbered participants an unfair advantage unless the number of > participants is a power of 2. 0: 11 1: 11 2: 11 3: 11 4: 10 5: 10 You are correct, sir. Also, there are some subtle issues in my first program. It works correctly because the numbers happened to work out. (6 states, 6 people.) It wasn't as general as it should have been, probably because I wrote it in a post-lunch stupor. This version only supports binary digits. use strict; use warnings; use Set::CrossProduct; my $states = 2; # 0 fingers, 1 finger my $hand = [0..$states -1]; my $people = 6; my $it = Set::CrossProduct->new( [($hand)x $people] ); my %sums = (); my %modsums = (); while (my $tuple = $it->get) { my $n = join "",@$tuple; my $t = unpack("N",pack("B32",substr("0" x 32 . $n,-32))); $sums{$t}++; $modsums{$t%$people}++; } # Output non-mod-ed values (sum of all fingers) #print "$_: $sums{$_}\n" # for (sort {$a <=> $b} keys %sums); # Output mod-ed values, i.e. "people" print "$_: $modsums{$_}\n" for (sort {$a <=> $b} keys %modsums); And this version is the general purpose brute force solution: use strict; use warnings; use Set::CrossProduct; use Math::BaseCalc; #my $states = 2; # 0 fingers, 1 finger my $states = 10; my $hand = [0..$states -1]; my $people = 6; my $it = Set::CrossProduct->new( [($hand)x $people] ); my $ba = new Math::BaseCalc(digits => $hand); my %sums = (); my %modsums = (); while (my $tuple = $it->get) { my $t = $ba->from_base( join "",@$tuple ); $sums{$t}++; $modsums{$t%$people}++; } # Output non-mod-ed values (sum of all fingers) #print "$_: $sums{$_}\n" # for (sort {$a <=> $b} keys %sums); # Output mod-ed values, i.e. "people" print "$_: $modsums{$_}\n" for (sort {$a <=> $b} keys %modsums); From ask at develooper.com Wed Mar 5 20:19:35 2003 From: ask at develooper.com (Ask Bjoern Hansen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:53 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] The odds of finger games In-Reply-To: References: <007f01c2e361$d93f91b0$8200a8c0@mithrandir> Message-ID: <20030305181911.W99694@miette.develooper.com> On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Robert Spier wrote: > > btw, the http://pm.org isn't defined... I have to http://www.pm.org > > The person in charge of the DNS feels strongly about that. ... and it's not me. I think pm.org should work. ;-) -- ask bjoern hansen, http://www.askbjoernhansen.com/ !try; do(); From ask at develooper.com Wed Mar 5 20:22:05 2003 From: ask at develooper.com (Ask Bjoern Hansen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:53 2004 Subject: [lapm] RE: [LA.pm] The odds of finger games In-Reply-To: <20030306000641.GA17453@brog> References: <20030305225435.GE188@darkuncle.net> <009001c2e36d$9b248f00$8200a8c0@mithrandir> <20030306000641.GA17453@brog> Message-ID: <20030305182104.U99694@miette.develooper.com> On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Eric Hammond wrote: > Erick Calder wrote: > > if I'm making an http request from a domain, do I really care > > which host is serving it? > > I always thought that HTTP host DNS resolution should have been > handled in a manner similar to SMTP, with the option of using MX > records to indicate which specific host(s) handle HTTP traffic for > that domain. SRV records to the rescue! (Except nothing is using it). Jabber is supposed to use it, but I don't think it has been documented well and it's certainly not implemented. -- ask bjoern hansen, http://www.askbjoernhansen.com/ !try; do(); From ask at develooper.com Wed Mar 5 20:20:27 2003 From: ask at develooper.com (Ask Bjoern Hansen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:53 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] The odds of finger games In-Reply-To: <20030305225435.GE188@darkuncle.net> References: <007f01c2e361$d93f91b0$8200a8c0@mithrandir> <20030305225435.GE188@darkuncle.net> Message-ID: <20030305181950.M99694@miette.develooper.com> On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Scott Francis wrote: > On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 01:54:51PM -0800, e@arix.com said: > > I had a great time guys. I really wanted that mousepad!! but I figured Ask > > could make better use of it than I since I mostly work on a laptop. > > Yes, big thanks to everybody that came, to Robert for organizing, and to > Peter for showing up and talking and donating stuff. :) Yes, certainly! :-) > > btw, the http://pm.org isn't defined... I have to http://www.pm.org > > If you think about it a minute, it doesn't really make any sense to type > 'http://domain.tld' into your browser anyway. It's a DOMAIN, not a machine > with an IP address. That's just an artifact of your DNS configuration. -- ask bjoern hansen, http://www.askbjoernhansen.com/ !try; do(); From darkuncle at darkuncle.net Wed Mar 5 20:37:08 2003 From: darkuncle at darkuncle.net (Scott Francis) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:53 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] The odds of finger games In-Reply-To: <009001c2e36d$9b248f00$8200a8c0@mithrandir> References: <20030305225435.GE188@darkuncle.net> <009001c2e36d$9b248f00$8200a8c0@mithrandir> Message-ID: <20030306023708.GL188@darkuncle.net> On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 03:19:01PM -0800, e@arix.com said: > > It's a DOMAIN, not a machine with an IP address > > sure, but those are details that matter little. if I'm making an http > request from a domain, do I really care which host is serving it? and if 99% > of the time the host is always called the same, why should I bother typing > its name? Because making a request for http://domain.tld MAKES NO SENSE. Any more than making a request for http://.gov makes any sense. Sure, it typically works, but one shouldn't expect it to. It's a hack, and one that goes against both common sense and DNS RFCs, I might add. > if you had several hosts within a domain that all serve stuff on http I can > understand you'd need to type the host name but even then a default is nice. It may be nice, but it's inaccurate and leads to confusion of this very sort. -- Scott Francis || darkuncle (at) darkuncle (dot) net illum oportet crescere me autem minui -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 187 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/losangeles-pm/attachments/20030305/863d376c/attachment.bin From darkuncle at darkuncle.net Wed Mar 5 20:39:42 2003 From: darkuncle at darkuncle.net (Scott Francis) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:53 2004 Subject: [lapm] RE: [LA.pm] The odds of finger games In-Reply-To: <20030306000641.GA17453@brog> References: <20030305225435.GE188@darkuncle.net> <009001c2e36d$9b248f00$8200a8c0@mithrandir> <20030306000641.GA17453@brog> Message-ID: <20030306023942.GM188@darkuncle.net> On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 04:06:41PM -0800, ehammond@thinksome.com said: > Erick Calder wrote: > > if I'm making an http request from a domain, do I really care > > which host is serving it? > > I always thought that HTTP host DNS resolution should have been > handled in a manner similar to SMTP, with the option of using MX > records to indicate which specific host(s) handle HTTP traffic for > that domain. Indeed, if such a modification was made to the DNS specs, I would be all for it. It would at least make sense then, instead of the current scenario, where most people expect it to "just work" when the fact that it works at all is due to a particularly egregious hack. > I fall into the practical camp instead of the theoretical camp > on this issue. Since "domain.tld" can resolve to an IP, and it's > something that a lot of users type, I implement it and generally > redirect the user to "www.domain.tld" for consistency. As do I. :) I'm just pointing out, for the record, that this behaviour should not necessarily be counted on as correct, per the standards. > Of course, I redirect the other way from "www.notlong.com" to > "notlong.com" because of the nature of the service. *nod* as to shorl.com, tinyurl.com, xrl.us ... makes sense. -- Scott Francis || darkuncle (at) darkuncle (dot) net illum oportet crescere me autem minui -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 187 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/losangeles-pm/attachments/20030305/8404b5fa/attachment.bin From darkuncle at darkuncle.net Wed Mar 5 20:41:28 2003 From: darkuncle at darkuncle.net (Scott Francis) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:53 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] The odds of finger games In-Reply-To: <20030305181950.M99694@miette.develooper.com> References: <007f01c2e361$d93f91b0$8200a8c0@mithrandir> <20030305225435.GE188@darkuncle.net> <20030305181950.M99694@miette.develooper.com> Message-ID: <20030306024128.GN188@darkuncle.net> On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 06:20:27PM -0800, ask@develooper.com said: [snip] > > > btw, the http://pm.org isn't defined... I have to http://www.pm.org > > > > If you think about it a minute, it doesn't really make any sense to type > > 'http://domain.tld' into your browser anyway. It's a DOMAIN, not a machine > > with an IP address. > > That's just an artifact of your DNS configuration. True ... but one should not EXPECT domain.tld to produce www.domain.tld just because one happens to hit it with an HTTP client. (Any more than I expect openbsd.org to redirect to ftp.openbsd.org just because I happen to make an FTP request ...) -- Scott Francis || darkuncle (at) darkuncle (dot) net illum oportet crescere me autem minui -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 187 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/losangeles-pm/attachments/20030305/e84f9239/attachment.bin From e at arix.com Wed Mar 5 20:50:00 2003 From: e at arix.com (Erick Calder) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:53 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] The odds of finger games In-Reply-To: <20030306024128.GN188@darkuncle.net> Message-ID: <00e201c2e38b$15413730$8200a8c0@mithrandir> I'm subscribed to a number of other mailing lists which handle the replies differently... I keep getting double messages because it's annoying to reply-all and then remove everything but the mailing-list address so no one does it (except for me)... anyone care to second a motion to make this more usable? -----Original Message----- From: losangeles-pm-admin@mail.pm.org [mailto:losangeles-pm-admin@mail.pm.org]On Behalf Of Scott Francis Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 6:41 PM To: Ask Bjoern Hansen Cc: Scott Francis; Erick Calder; losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org Subject: Re: [LA.pm] The odds of finger games On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 06:20:27PM -0800, ask@develooper.com said: [snip] > > > btw, the http://pm.org isn't defined... I have to http://www.pm.org > > > > If you think about it a minute, it doesn't really make any sense to type > > 'http://domain.tld' into your browser anyway. It's a DOMAIN, not a machine > > with an IP address. > > That's just an artifact of your DNS configuration. True ... but one should not EXPECT domain.tld to produce www.domain.tld just because one happens to hit it with an HTTP client. (Any more than I expect openbsd.org to redirect to ftp.openbsd.org just because I happen to make an FTP request ...) -- Scott Francis || darkuncle (at) darkuncle (dot) net illum oportet crescere me autem minui From ask at develooper.com Wed Mar 5 21:05:58 2003 From: ask at develooper.com (Ask Bjoern Hansen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:53 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] The odds of finger games In-Reply-To: <00e201c2e38b$15413730$8200a8c0@mithrandir> References: <00e201c2e38b$15413730$8200a8c0@mithrandir> Message-ID: <20030305190504.E8541@miette.develooper.com> On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Erick Calder wrote: > I'm subscribed to a number of other mailing lists which handle the replies > differently... I keep getting double messages because it's annoying to > reply-all and then remove everything but the mailing-list address so no one > does it (except for me)... Add to your .procmailrc :0 Wh: msgid.lock | formail -D 16384 .msgid.cache > anyone care to second a motion to make this more usable? http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html - ask -- ask bjoern hansen, http://www.askbjoernhansen.com/ !try; do(); From jleader at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Mar 6 01:35:55 2003 From: jleader at alumni.caltech.edu (Jeremy Leader) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:53 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] The odds of finger games In-Reply-To: <00e201c2e38b$15413730$8200a8c0@mithrandir> References: <20030306024128.GN188@darkuncle.net> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20030305233416.00b6dec0@mail.altrionet.com> I believe if it's set up the other way, then you get lots of people trying to reply off-list to the sender of a message, and inadvertently spamming the whole list with their response. Jeremy Leader At 06:50 PM 3/5/03 , Erick Calder wrote: >I'm subscribed to a number of other mailing lists which handle the replies >differently... I keep getting double messages because it's annoying to >reply-all and then remove everything but the mailing-list address so no one >does it (except for me)... > >anyone care to second a motion to make this more usable? > >-----Original Message----- >From: losangeles-pm-admin@mail.pm.org >[mailto:losangeles-pm-admin@mail.pm.org]On Behalf Of Scott Francis >Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 6:41 PM >To: Ask Bjoern Hansen >Cc: Scott Francis; Erick Calder; losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org >Subject: Re: [LA.pm] The odds of finger games > > >On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 06:20:27PM -0800, ask@develooper.com said: >[snip] > > > > btw, the http://pm.org isn't defined... I have to http://www.pm.org > > > > > > If you think about it a minute, it doesn't really make any sense to type > > > 'http://domain.tld' into your browser anyway. It's a DOMAIN, not a >machine > > > with an IP address. > > > > That's just an artifact of your DNS configuration. > >True ... but one should not EXPECT domain.tld to produce www.domain.tld just >because one happens to hit it with an HTTP client. (Any more than I expect >openbsd.org to redirect to ftp.openbsd.org just because I happen to make an >FTP request ...) >-- >Scott Francis || darkuncle (at) darkuncle (dot) net > illum oportet crescere me autem minui > >_______________________________________________ >Losangeles-pm mailing list >Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm From darkuncle at darkuncle.net Thu Mar 6 01:55:14 2003 From: darkuncle at darkuncle.net (Scott Francis) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:53 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] The odds of finger games In-Reply-To: <00e201c2e38b$15413730$8200a8c0@mithrandir> References: <20030306024128.GN188@darkuncle.net> <00e201c2e38b$15413730$8200a8c0@mithrandir> Message-ID: <20030306075514.GC12583@darkuncle.net> On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 06:50:00PM -0800, e@arix.com said: > I'm subscribed to a number of other mailing lists which handle the replies > differently... I keep getting double messages because it's annoying to > reply-all and then remove everything but the mailing-list address so no one > does it (except for me)... > > anyone care to second a motion to make this more usable? uuasc@uuasc.org does reply-to munging, which I find very useful (hit 'r' or 'g' in mutt and I get prompted 'Reply to UUASC@UUASC.org ([y]/n)?') That list uses majordomo. As la.pm runs off the main pm.org listserv, I'm not sure if this would be a minor tweak or a major overhaul. -- Scott Francis || darkuncle (at) darkuncle (dot) net illum oportet crescere me autem minui -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 187 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/losangeles-pm/attachments/20030305/36c606a6/attachment.bin From e at arix.com Thu Mar 6 03:05:50 2003 From: e at arix.com (Erick Calder) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:53 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] The odds of finger games In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20030305233416.00b6dec0@mail.altrionet.com> Message-ID: <00ed01c2e3bf$9602f4b0$8200a8c0@mithrandir> but if you're participating in a mailing list you should have to take extra steps to reply off-list and not the other way around. -----Original Message----- From: losangeles-pm-admin@mail.pm.org [mailto:losangeles-pm-admin@mail.pm.org]On Behalf Of Jeremy Leader Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:36 PM To: losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org Subject: RE: [LA.pm] The odds of finger games I believe if it's set up the other way, then you get lots of people trying to reply off-list to the sender of a message, and inadvertently spamming the whole list with their response. Jeremy Leader At 06:50 PM 3/5/03 , Erick Calder wrote: >I'm subscribed to a number of other mailing lists which handle the replies >differently... I keep getting double messages because it's annoying to >reply-all and then remove everything but the mailing-list address so no one >does it (except for me)... > >anyone care to second a motion to make this more usable? > >-----Original Message----- >From: losangeles-pm-admin@mail.pm.org >[mailto:losangeles-pm-admin@mail.pm.org]On Behalf Of Scott Francis >Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 6:41 PM >To: Ask Bjoern Hansen >Cc: Scott Francis; Erick Calder; losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org >Subject: Re: [LA.pm] The odds of finger games > > >On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 06:20:27PM -0800, ask@develooper.com said: >[snip] > > > > btw, the http://pm.org isn't defined... I have to http://www.pm.org > > > > > > If you think about it a minute, it doesn't really make any sense to type > > > 'http://domain.tld' into your browser anyway. It's a DOMAIN, not a >machine > > > with an IP address. > > > > That's just an artifact of your DNS configuration. > >True ... but one should not EXPECT domain.tld to produce www.domain.tld just >because one happens to hit it with an HTTP client. (Any more than I expect >openbsd.org to redirect to ftp.openbsd.org just because I happen to make an >FTP request ...) >-- >Scott Francis || darkuncle (at) darkuncle (dot) net > illum oportet crescere me autem minui > >_______________________________________________ >Losangeles-pm mailing list >Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm _______________________________________________ Losangeles-pm mailing list Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm From jleader at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Mar 6 10:50:54 2003 From: jleader at alumni.caltech.edu (Jeremy Leader) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:53 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] The odds of finger games In-Reply-To: <00ed01c2e3bf$9602f4b0$8200a8c0@mithrandir> References: <4.2.2.20030305233416.00b6dec0@mail.altrionet.com> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20030306084903.00b24980@mail.altrionet.com> Why's that? In some cases, replying on-list is more appropriate, in other replying off-list is more appropriate. For example, if someone says "hey, I've got the coolest job opportunity in the world", do you really want to see dozens of "Yeah, I'm interested, here's my resume" messages? Not that that would happen these days, but you get the idea. Jeremy Leader At 01:05 AM 3/6/03 , Erick Calder wrote: >but if you're participating in a mailing list you should have to take extra >steps to reply off-list and not the other way around. > >-----Original Message----- >From: losangeles-pm-admin@mail.pm.org >[mailto:losangeles-pm-admin@mail.pm.org]On Behalf Of Jeremy Leader >Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:36 PM >To: losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org >Subject: RE: [LA.pm] The odds of finger games > > >I believe if it's set up the other way, then you >get lots of people trying to reply off-list to >the sender of a message, and inadvertently spamming >the whole list with their response. > >Jeremy Leader > >At 06:50 PM 3/5/03 , Erick Calder wrote: > >I'm subscribed to a number of other mailing lists which handle the replies > >differently... I keep getting double messages because it's annoying to > >reply-all and then remove everything but the mailing-list address so no one > >does it (except for me)... > > > >anyone care to second a motion to make this more usable? > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: losangeles-pm-admin@mail.pm.org > >[mailto:losangeles-pm-admin@mail.pm.org]On Behalf Of Scott Francis > >Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 6:41 PM > >To: Ask Bjoern Hansen > >Cc: Scott Francis; Erick Calder; losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org > >Subject: Re: [LA.pm] The odds of finger games > > > > > >On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 06:20:27PM -0800, ask@develooper.com said: > >[snip] > > > > > btw, the http://pm.org isn't defined... I have to http://www.pm.org > > > > > > > > If you think about it a minute, it doesn't really make any sense to >type > > > > 'http://domain.tld' into your browser anyway. It's a DOMAIN, not a > >machine > > > > with an IP address. > > > > > > That's just an artifact of your DNS configuration. > > > >True ... but one should not EXPECT domain.tld to produce www.domain.tld >just > >because one happens to hit it with an HTTP client. (Any more than I expect > >openbsd.org to redirect to ftp.openbsd.org just because I happen to make an > >FTP request ...) > >-- > >Scott Francis || darkuncle (at) darkuncle (dot) net > > illum oportet crescere me autem minui > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Losangeles-pm mailing list > >Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org > >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm > > >_______________________________________________ >Losangeles-pm mailing list >Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm > >_______________________________________________ >Losangeles-pm mailing list >Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm From e at arix.com Thu Mar 6 15:13:08 2003 From: e at arix.com (Erick Calder) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:53 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] The odds of finger games In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20030306084903.00b24980@mail.altrionet.com> Message-ID: <00f201c2e425$3052a280$8200a8c0@mithrandir> maybe I have the wrong impression about mailing lists but I tend to perceive their power mostly in the ability to aggregate knowledge i.e. if someone has a problem and someone else a solution, neither message may be of immediate value to me but if I read them there are now 3 people smarter about the problem instead of 2. the case you describe is really more suitable for a bulletin board than a mailing list. so what I'm saying is that in most cases if people make a mistake in simply replying, as opposed to replying to all, you want the mailing list to benefit from the exchange as opposed to constantly branching off into private conversations no one else benefits from. -----Original Message----- From: losangeles-pm-admin@mail.pm.org [mailto:losangeles-pm-admin@mail.pm.org]On Behalf Of Jeremy Leader Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 8:51 AM To: losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org Subject: RE: [LA.pm] The odds of finger games Why's that? In some cases, replying on-list is more appropriate, in other replying off-list is more appropriate. For example, if someone says "hey, I've got the coolest job opportunity in the world", do you really want to see dozens of "Yeah, I'm interested, here's my resume" messages? Not that that would happen these days, but you get the idea. Jeremy Leader At 01:05 AM 3/6/03 , Erick Calder wrote: >but if you're participating in a mailing list you should have to take extra >steps to reply off-list and not the other way around. > >-----Original Message----- >From: losangeles-pm-admin@mail.pm.org >[mailto:losangeles-pm-admin@mail.pm.org]On Behalf Of Jeremy Leader >Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:36 PM >To: losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org >Subject: RE: [LA.pm] The odds of finger games > > >I believe if it's set up the other way, then you >get lots of people trying to reply off-list to >the sender of a message, and inadvertently spamming >the whole list with their response. > >Jeremy Leader > >At 06:50 PM 3/5/03 , Erick Calder wrote: > >I'm subscribed to a number of other mailing lists which handle the replies > >differently... I keep getting double messages because it's annoying to > >reply-all and then remove everything but the mailing-list address so no one > >does it (except for me)... > > > >anyone care to second a motion to make this more usable? > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: losangeles-pm-admin@mail.pm.org > >[mailto:losangeles-pm-admin@mail.pm.org]On Behalf Of Scott Francis > >Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 6:41 PM > >To: Ask Bjoern Hansen > >Cc: Scott Francis; Erick Calder; losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org > >Subject: Re: [LA.pm] The odds of finger games > > > > > >On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 06:20:27PM -0800, ask@develooper.com said: > >[snip] > > > > > btw, the http://pm.org isn't defined... I have to http://www.pm.org > > > > > > > > If you think about it a minute, it doesn't really make any sense to >type > > > > 'http://domain.tld' into your browser anyway. It's a DOMAIN, not a > >machine > > > > with an IP address. > > > > > > That's just an artifact of your DNS configuration. > > > >True ... but one should not EXPECT domain.tld to produce www.domain.tld >just > >because one happens to hit it with an HTTP client. (Any more than I expect > >openbsd.org to redirect to ftp.openbsd.org just because I happen to make an > >FTP request ...) > >-- > >Scott Francis || darkuncle (at) darkuncle (dot) net > > illum oportet crescere me autem minui > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Losangeles-pm mailing list > >Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org > >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm > > >_______________________________________________ >Losangeles-pm mailing list >Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm > >_______________________________________________ >Losangeles-pm mailing list >Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm _______________________________________________ Losangeles-pm mailing list Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm From rspier at pobox.com Thu Mar 6 18:08:21 2003 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:53 2004 Subject: mailing list stuff (was Re: [LA.pm] The odds of finger games) In-Reply-To: <00f201c2e425$3052a280$8200a8c0@mithrandir> References: <4.2.2.20030306084903.00b24980@mail.altrionet.com> <00f201c2e425$3052a280$8200a8c0@mithrandir> Message-ID: I suggest we lay this issue to rest. I'm not going to add a "Reply-To" field to the la.pm list, because I feel that generally it gets in the way. I could add a Mail-Followup-To and Mail-Reply-To header to the list, but only people whose MUA supports it would get the benefit. If you don't like the lack of Reply-To, use procmail or Mail::Audit to add one, and everyone will be happy. Speaking of Mail::Audit, that would be a great topic for a la.pm talk. Any volunteers? -R From ask at develooper.com Thu Mar 6 19:07:06 2003 From: ask at develooper.com (Ask Bjoern Hansen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:53 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] The odds of finger games In-Reply-To: <00f201c2e425$3052a280$8200a8c0@mithrandir> References: <00f201c2e425$3052a280$8200a8c0@mithrandir> Message-ID: <20030306170529.S84608@miette.develooper.com> Please stop. We don't want to change it, and if it does get changed then it'll get changed back when I get to host the pm.org lists at some point in the future. :-) If we had reply-to munging we could not effectively have Peter Scott cc'ed on the thread about the recent "meeting". - ask -- ask bjoern hansen, http://www.askbjoernhansen.com/ !try; do(); From md5 at embody.org Thu Mar 6 02:12:17 2003 From: md5 at embody.org (mike dillon) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:53 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] The odds of finger games In-Reply-To: <20030306075514.GC12583@darkuncle.net> References: <20030306024128.GN188@darkuncle.net> <00e201c2e38b$15413730$8200a8c0@mithrandir> <20030306075514.GC12583@darkuncle.net> Message-ID: <20030306081216.GA30889@eber.embody.org> begin Scott Francis quotation: > uuasc@uuasc.org does reply-to munging, which I find very useful (hit > 'r' or 'g' in mutt and I get prompted 'Reply to UUASC@UUASC.org > ([y]/n)?') Or, you could tell mutt that you're subscribed to the list and use 'l' (list reply). I have this in a Mutt config somewhere: subscribe list@la.pm.org losangeles-pm@ That just let me unambiguously reply to the list. I can still use 'r' or 'g' if I need to. -md From rspier at pobox.com Mon Mar 10 23:08:20 2003 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:53 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] The odds of finger games In-Reply-To: <20030306081216.GA30889@eber.embody.org> References: <20030306024128.GN188@darkuncle.net> <00e201c2e38b$15413730$8200a8c0@mithrandir> <20030306075514.GC12583@darkuncle.net> <20030306081216.GA30889@eber.embody.org> Message-ID: > Or, you could tell mutt that you're subscribed to the list and use 'l' > (list reply). I have this in a Mutt config somewhere: > subscribe list@la.pm.org losangeles-pm@ You probably want to change this to losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org. I don't think the list@la.pm.org address is functional anymore. -R From rspier at pobox.com Wed Mar 12 11:06:14 2003 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:53 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Next Event Message-ID: So, it's about time to start thinking about our next event. I think it would be neat to do something semi-technical, have someone talk about a perl-related project or module. You don't need to be a great speaker or anything, and we can have two people talk about different things (so each is shorter.) I can provide more ideas, or you can troll other perl monger websites for ideas. We also need a place. The best places tend to be conference rooms capable of holding 15-30 people, in easily accessible locations and buildings. (Which means that my place of work, where they give you a body cavity check in the morning, is out.) -R From e at arix.com Wed Mar 12 11:10:12 2003 From: e at arix.com (Erick Calder) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:53 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Next Event In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000e01c2e8ba$40018e00$8200a8c0@mithrandir> I think you mentioned having someone talk about Mail::Audit stuff... I'd be very interested... I really should spend some time to figure out what the current anti-spam solutions out there are. -----Original Message----- From: losangeles-pm-admin@mail.pm.org [mailto:losangeles-pm-admin@mail.pm.org]On Behalf Of Robert Spier Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 9:06 AM To: losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org Subject: [LA.pm] Next Event So, it's about time to start thinking about our next event. I think it would be neat to do something semi-technical, have someone talk about a perl-related project or module. You don't need to be a great speaker or anything, and we can have two people talk about different things (so each is shorter.) I can provide more ideas, or you can troll other perl monger websites for ideas. We also need a place. The best places tend to be conference rooms capable of holding 15-30 people, in easily accessible locations and buildings. (Which means that my place of work, where they give you a body cavity check in the morning, is out.) -R _______________________________________________ Losangeles-pm mailing list Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm From rspier at pobox.com Wed Mar 12 12:02:07 2003 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:53 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Next Event In-Reply-To: <000e01c2e8ba$40018e00$8200a8c0@mithrandir> References: <000e01c2e8ba$40018e00$8200a8c0@mithrandir> Message-ID: Erick Calder wrote: > I think you mentioned having someone talk about Mail::Audit stuff... I'd be > very interested... I really should spend some time to figure out what the > current anti-spam solutions out there are. Yes, I think a talk on Mail::Audit and SpamAssassin would be quite good, and would be well attended. Thanks for volunteering! Now we need a date, time, and location :) -R From e at arix.com Wed Mar 12 12:00:48 2003 From: e at arix.com (Erick Calder) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:53 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Next Event In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001001c2e8c1$503296a0$8200a8c0@mithrandir> yikes! I didn't mean I'd be interested in _giving_ the talk but in attending it. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Spier [mailto:rspier@pobox.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 10:02 AM To: Erick Calder Cc: losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org Subject: Re: [LA.pm] Next Event Erick Calder wrote: > I think you mentioned having someone talk about Mail::Audit stuff... I'd be > very interested... I really should spend some time to figure out what the > current anti-spam solutions out there are. Yes, I think a talk on Mail::Audit and SpamAssassin would be quite good, and would be well attended. Thanks for volunteering! Now we need a date, time, and location :) -R From rspier at pobox.com Wed Mar 12 12:18:48 2003 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:53 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Next Event In-Reply-To: <001001c2e8c1$503296a0$8200a8c0@mithrandir> References: <001001c2e8c1$503296a0$8200a8c0@mithrandir> Message-ID: Erick Calder wrote: > yikes! I didn't mean I'd be interested in _giving_ the talk but in > attending it. Doh! The best way to learn about something is to learn enough to teach it. :) -R From ehammond at thinksome.com Wed Mar 12 16:36:46 2003 From: ehammond at thinksome.com (Eric Hammond) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:53 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Next Event In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030312223646.GA8233@brog> Robert Spier wrote: > We also need a place. The best places tend to be > conference rooms capable of holding 15-30 people, in > easily accessible locations and buildings. The offer to host these types of meetings at Rent.com is still open. This almost went through a year ago when Samy was organizing, but then I got sidetracked with a new baby and then Samy went South. Rent.com is located on the Eastern edge of Santa Monica, a few minutes from the 10 and the 405. It's also close to the Santa Monica Airport for those who live out of town and have their own airplane. Rent.com 2701 Ocean Park Blvd Ste 140 Santa Monica, CA 90405 http://rentmap.notlong.com [maps.yahoo.com] I think the garage is closed after 7pm and on weekends, but metered parking is available on the street and I think it's free at the park across the street. The conference room has a large table and holds about 20, though I suppose more could pack in if we were friendly. There is a projector, though I am not an expert at making these things work with your hardware. There is a lot of whiteboard space. -- Eric Hammond ehammond@thinksome.com From arkadiy at arkadiy.com Wed Mar 12 16:46:00 2003 From: arkadiy at arkadiy.com (Arkadiy Sudarikov) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:53 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Next Event In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mark me No Show. http://www.evilclubempire.com/cgi-bin/forum/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=4 ;t=002271 From rspier at pobox.com Wed Mar 12 20:30:25 2003 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:53 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Next Event In-Reply-To: <20030312223646.GA8233@brog> References: <20030312223646.GA8233@brog> Message-ID: > > We also need a place. The best places tend to be > > conference rooms capable of holding 15-30 people, in > > easily accessible locations and buildings. > > The offer to host these types of meetings at Rent.com is still > open. This almost went through a year ago when Samy was > organizing, but then I got sidetracked with a new baby and > then Samy went South. Ok, now we have a place. That's 33% of the way there! -R From ehammond at thinksome.com Thu Mar 13 18:30:50 2003 From: ehammond at thinksome.com (Eric Hammond) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:54 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Bruce Sterling Message-ID: <20030314003050.GA17302@brog> At the LA.pm meeting a few of us were talking about the Science Fiction author who spoke at OSCON San Diego. I found the author (Bruce Sterling) and the talk is here: http://osspeech.notlong.com [viridiandesign.org] -- Eric Hammond ehammond@thinksome.com From ask at develooper.com Mon Mar 24 08:02:42 2003 From: ask at develooper.com (Ask Bjoern Hansen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:54 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Next Event In-Reply-To: <20030312223646.GA8233@brog> References: <20030312223646.GA8233@brog> Message-ID: <20030324060214.Y8481@miette.develooper.com> On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Eric Hammond wrote: > Rent.com > 2701 Ocean Park Blvd Ste 140 > Santa Monica, CA 90405 > > http://rentmap.notlong.com [maps.yahoo.com] So how about it? Anyone up for setting a date? :-) - ask -- ask bjoern hansen, http://www.askbjoernhansen.com/ !try; do(); From rspier at pobox.com Mon Mar 24 08:59:43 2003 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:54 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Next Event In-Reply-To: <20030324060214.Y8481@miette.develooper.com> References: <20030312223646.GA8233@brog> <20030324060214.Y8481@miette.develooper.com> Message-ID: > Anyone up for setting a date? :-) ... and volunteering to talk. From rdbenjamin at earthlink.net Wed Mar 26 21:24:32 2003 From: rdbenjamin at earthlink.net (Bob Benjamin) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:54 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Next Event In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'll volunteer to listen. Bob Benjamin -----Original Message----- From: losangeles-pm-admin@mail.pm.org [mailto:losangeles-pm-admin@mail.pm.org]On Behalf Of Robert Spier Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 7:00 AM To: losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org Subject: Re: [LA.pm] Next Event > Anyone up for setting a date? :-) ... and volunteering to talk. _______________________________________________ Losangeles-pm mailing list Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm