From dallasii at kincyb.com Wed Sep 11 05:25:41 2002 From: dallasii at kincyb.com (Dallas E. Legan) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:51 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Lynx browser talk (was Announcing BrowserAdvocacy project) Message-ID: > *=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* > Message: B0000398005.MSG # in packet :#7. > Date: 08 Sep 2002 22:19:41 -1000 > From: Warren Togami > Reply-To: usclug-chat@linux.usc.edu > To: usclug-chat@linux.usc.edu > Subject: [usclug-chat] Announcing BrowserAdvocacy project > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ( body of Warren's message below. Thanks to Warren for permission to include his post with my announcment.) -- I couldn't of asked for a better intro to mention a talk I was recruited to help give (with Tony Butka) on Sat., 21 Sept. 2002 in Tustin, Orange County, CA on the Lynx browser. It's for an OS/2 user group, but large amounts of the content will be applicable for every platform from Amiga and BeOS to IBM OS/390 mainframes (I guess that's Z Series now, providing the proverbial 'A' to 'Z' platform coverage). Some articles that helped to provoke my involvment: http://www.scoug.com/os24u/2001/scoug009.textbrowsers.html http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/case20.html http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/case24.html Details on the meeting: http://www.scoug.com/meetings.html General information on SCOUG: http://www.scoug.com We'll probably be discussing philosophy of text mode browsers, installation/configuration tips, fingering shortcuts, image viewer set up, URL schema supported and use of EXTERN alternate programs for various URL schema, b^Hr^He^Ha^Hk^Hi^Hn^Hg^H ^Hi^Hn^Ht^Ho^H accessing *your* on-line banking account, handling frames, bypassing javascript and whatever else we can get around to. All enthusiasts for alternative operating systems are welcome to attend the meeting. If you can't attend, rumor has it Raymond Steding of http://www.LPBN.org *may* be taping the talk, in which case it will be available on line. Feel free to forward this announcement to any where whatsoever. Apologies if anyone finds this post inappropriate. Thanks again, Warren -- Warren said: > > > http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/browseradvocacy > BrowserAdvocacy project discusses issues facing the adoption of > alternative web browsers - mainly dealing with sites that choose to > reject visitors based upon user agent for no valid technical reason. > > Web browser rejection is among the main factors preventing adoption of > alternate web browsers. Most of the time this rejection is completely > artificial, caused by ignorance in the web designer that other web > browsers do exist and are of high quality. In any of these cases, when > people try to visit and they are told "Upgrade to Internet Explorer", > they immediately have a negative impression of alternate web browsers > (and Linux as a desktop.) > > This project is an attempt to improve this situation at various sites on > the Internet through education and advocacy campaigns. We will organize > polite letter writing and phone call campaigns educating sites and > designers as to why they should support alternate web browsers. > Additionally we will organize educational articles to post at various > news sites introducing new users to the benefits of alternate browsers, > like the speed and pop-up protection of Mozilla, Galeon or Opera. We > will prioritize our efforts toward larger sites that offer critical or > popular services, and eventually work our way toward smaller sites. > > I have already had success with convincing First Hawaiian Bank Online > http://www.fhb.com to allow Mozilla into their new online site launching > September 22nd. This is one example of a "critical" site, making Linux > and alternate web browsers inconvenient if you use online banking at > this bank. > > Like usual I am taking on too many projects myself, so I would really > appreciate if it some people would volunteer to help organize this > project. We mainly need content writers and a webmaster. The following > content will need to be written: > > * Project Home Page > * Mailing List Policy > * Status Board - showing current status of all sites identified for > targeted advocacy > * Documentation > ** Why is this a problem? (discrimination, etc.)? > ** How to identify problem sites? > ** Sample letters to web designers > ** Article introducing the benefits of Mozilla to new people > > Please let me know if you can help this project. > > Thanks, > Warren Togami > warren@togami.com > Mid-Pacific Linux Users Group > http://www.mplug.org > Browser Advocacy Project > http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/browseradvocacy > > > _______________________________________________ > usclug-chat mailing list > usclug-chat@linux.usc.edu > http://linux.usc.edu/mailman/listinfo/usclug-chat > > --- EOM --- Regards, Dallas E. Legan II / leganii@surfree.com / dallasii@kincyb.com Powered by......Lynx, the Internet at hyperkinetic speed. From rspier at pobox.com Sun Sep 22 15:00:36 2002 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:51 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] An incredibly silly idea Message-ID: <15758.8548.387930.472555@rls.cx> I'm avoiding actually doing anything today, and I came up with an incredibly silly idea. Wil Wheaton, aka Wesley Crusher, lives in LA. He's a geek. Or at least a geek-wannabe. And one of those evil actor types. We could invite him to a la.pm event and try and indoctrinate him as to why perl is better than -R -- From darkuncle at darkuncle.net Mon Sep 23 14:55:36 2002 From: darkuncle at darkuncle.net (Scott Francis) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:51 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] An incredibly silly idea In-Reply-To: <15758.8548.387930.472555@rls.cx> References: <15758.8548.387930.472555@rls.cx> Message-ID: <20020923195536.GT2691@darkuncle.net> On Sun, Sep 22, 2002 at 01:00:36PM -0700, rspier@pobox.com said: > > I'm avoiding actually doing anything today, and I came up with an > incredibly silly idea. > > Wil Wheaton, aka Wesley Crusher, lives in LA. He's a geek. Or at > least a geek-wannabe. And one of those evil actor types. > > We could invite him to a la.pm event and try and indoctrinate him as > to why perl is better than for nearly all values of $scripting_languages, this would be beyond simple. :) Now, if we wanted to do 'Perl is better than C' it might be a harder sell ... -- -= Scott Francis || darkuncle (at) darkuncle (dot) net =- GPG key CB33CCA7 has been revoked; I am now 5537F527 illum oportet crescere me autem minui -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 187 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/losangeles-pm/attachments/20020923/8d1ff576/attachment.bin From dgwilson1 at cox.net Fri Sep 13 16:36:19 2002 From: dgwilson1 at cox.net (Douglas Wilson) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:51 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] An incredibly silly idea References: <15758.8548.387930.472555@rls.cx> Message-ID: <001601c25b6d$9a702980$152d0544@oc.cox.net> From: "Robert Spier" > > Wil Wheaton, aka Wesley Crusher, lives in LA. He's a geek. Or at > least a geek-wannabe. And one of those evil actor types. Ohh, he's not all that evil, in fact, he's one of the good guys, if you can believe half of what you hear from slashdot (He supported the EFF on a celebrity "Weakest Link"). Bash Wesley Crusher all you want, I think Wil bashing is mis-directed. Besides, its mean to kick someone while he's down (I believe he's still looking for work...). > We could invite him to a la.pm event and try and indoctrinate him as > to why perl is better than Judging from his site (http://www.wilwheaton.com) I'd say his favorite language is php, just so you know where to focus your arguments. I think it would be cool to invite him though... -Doug From ask at develooper.com Mon Sep 23 22:18:29 2002 From: ask at develooper.com (Ask Bjoern Hansen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:51 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] An incredibly silly idea In-Reply-To: <001601c25b6d$9a702980$152d0544@oc.cox.net> Message-ID: <20020923201708.O46869-100000@miette.develooper.com> On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, Douglas Wilson wrote: > From: "Robert Spier" > > > > Wil Wheaton, aka Wesley Crusher, lives in LA. He's a geek. Or at > > least a geek-wannabe. And one of those evil actor types. > > Ohh, he's not all that evil, in fact, he's one of the good guys, I am sure Robert is well aware; otherwise why would he think about inviting him? :-) - ask -- ask bjoern hansen, http://www.askbjoernhansen.com/ !try; do(); From rspier at pobox.com Mon Sep 23 23:24:09 2002 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert 'Mouseketeer' Spier) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:51 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] An incredibly silly idea In-Reply-To: <20020923201708.O46869-100000@miette.develooper.com> References: <001601c25b6d$9a702980$152d0544@oc.cox.net> <20020923201708.O46869-100000@miette.develooper.com> Message-ID: <15759.59625.390787.679100@rls.cx> Ask Bjoern Hansen writes: >On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, Douglas Wilson wrote: > >> From: "Robert Spier" >> > >> > Wil Wheaton, aka Wesley Crusher, lives in LA. He's a geek. Or at >> > least a geek-wannabe. And one of those evil actor types. >> >> Ohh, he's not all that evil, in fact, he's one of the good guys, > >I am sure Robert is well aware; otherwise why would he think about >inviting him? :-) Yeah, I was bashing him for being an actor in general, nothing more than that. I'm not a Wil-basher. I always wanted him to have more storylines. (Probably because of age similarities.) Heck, I work for one of the evilest empires on the planet. -R From dgwilson1 at cox.net Fri Sep 13 17:33:37 2002 From: dgwilson1 at cox.net (Douglas Wilson) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:51 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] An incredibly silly idea References: <001601c25b6d$9a702980$152d0544@oc.cox.net><20020923201708.O46869-100000@miette.develooper.com> <15759.59625.390787.679100@rls.cx> Message-ID: <001201c25b75$9a912560$152d0544@oc.cox.net> A Mouseketeer writes: > Ask Bjoern Hansen writes: > >On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, Douglas Wilson wrote: > > > >> From: "Robert Spier" > >> > > >> > Wil Wheaton, aka Wesley Crusher, lives in LA. He's a geek. Or at > >> > least a geek-wannabe. And one of those evil actor types. > >> > >> Ohh, he's not all that evil, in fact, he's one of the good guys, > > > >I am sure Robert is well aware; otherwise why would he think about > >inviting him? :-) > > Yeah, I was bashing him for being an actor in general, nothing more > than that. I'm not a Wil-basher. I always wanted him to have more > storylines. (Probably because of age similarities.) Ok, as long as everyone is playing nice :-) And for the benefit of anyone living under a rock, to let everyone know Wil is an ok guy (except for the php thing, but we might be able to help him overcome that, maybe?) I'll go crawl back under mine now... -Doug From rspier at pobox.com Tue Sep 24 21:57:03 2002 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:51 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] An incredibly silly idea In-Reply-To: <001201c25b75$9a912560$152d0544@oc.cox.net> References: <001601c25b6d$9a702980$152d0544@oc.cox.net> <20020923201708.O46869-100000@miette.develooper.com> <15759.59625.390787.679100@rls.cx> <001201c25b75$9a912560$152d0544@oc.cox.net> Message-ID: <15761.9727.788174.621554@rls.cx> >know Wil is an ok guy (except for the php thing, but we might be >able to help him overcome that, maybe?) Well, I've sent him an invitation, so we'll see :) -R From phamingson at yahoo.com Thu Sep 26 22:56:12 2002 From: phamingson at yahoo.com (Paul Hamingson) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:51 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] An incredibly silly idea In-Reply-To: <15761.9727.788174.621554@rls.cx> References: <001601c25b6d$9a702980$152d0544@oc.cox.net> <20020923201708.O46869-100000@miette.develooper.com> <15759.59625.390787.679100@rls.cx> <001201c25b75$9a912560$152d0544@oc.cox.net> <15761.9727.788174.621554@rls.cx> Message-ID: <1033098978.1249.6.camel@penguin> I'll try to dredge out my notes from the talk Damian gave that concluded with how to program in Klingon - was anybody else at the OSCON in Monterey 2 years ago that went to that as well? On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 19:57, Robert Spier wrote: > >know Wil is an ok guy (except for the php thing, but we might be > >able to help him overcome that, maybe?) > > Well, I've sent him an invitation, so we'll see :) > > -R > > _______________________________________________ > Losangeles-pm mailing list > Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm