From rspier at pobox.com Mon Mar 4 08:27:43 2002 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:13 2004 Subject: LA.pm: The Perl Review Message-ID: <15491.33887.485268.97600@rls.cx> Another edition is out.. quality stuff! -R ----- Forwarded message from Adam Turoff ----- Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 10:16:37 -0500 From: Adam Turoff To: dc@lists.pm.org Subject: [dcpm] The Perl Review It's the start of a new month, and there's a new edition of The Perl Review for your reading pleasure: http://www.theperlreview.com/ http://www.theperlreview.com/Issues/The_Perl_Review_0_1.pdf Enjoy! Z. From darkuncle at darkuncle.net Mon Mar 4 13:45:55 2002 From: darkuncle at darkuncle.net (Scott Francis) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:13 2004 Subject: LA.pm: Meeting this weekend! Message-ID: <20020304194555.GB97700@darkuncle.net> According to my calendar, we're scheduled to meet at the Cheesecake Factory in Pasadena this Saturday at 4 p.m. (a bit early for dinner, maybe?) Anyway, this is a great meeting spot (I hung out there with Samy and some other folks a while back) and for those who are interested, we might be able to get a caravan of people to go war driving after the meeting ... Look forward to seeing you all there! Directions and a map are available here: http://www.cheesecakefactory.com/l-pa-map.html (waiting for the first response asking "What's war driving?") -- Scott Francis darkuncle@ [home:] d a r k u n c l e . n e t Systems/Network Manager sfrancis@ [work:] t o n o s . c o m GPG public key 0xCB33CCA7 illum oportet crescere me autem minui -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <1015271919.12737.24.camel@spazz.tech.tmcs> References: <20020304194555.GB97700@darkuncle.net> <1015271919.12737.24.camel@spazz.tech.tmcs> Message-ID: <20020304205358.GG97700@darkuncle.net> On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 11:58:39AM -0800, jeffyoak@citysearch.com said: > On Mon, 2002-03-04 at 11:45, Scott Francis wrote: > > > > (waiting for the first response asking "What's war driving?") > > What's "war driving?" War Driving, n.: adapted from the 80s/90s hacker phrase "war dialing", war driving consists of laptops running some form of UNIX, wireless cards, and wireless network scanning software. Hackers will frequently drive around areas known (or suspected) to be rich in wireless networks (university campuses, for instance) running network scanning software that identifies available networks, signal strength, encryption use, DHCP availability, Access Point and node identification strings, and other pertinent details. Some particularly useful tools are bsd-airtools (for BSD, not surprisingly) and netstumbler (for linux). bsd-airtools and other network scanning and WEP cracking tools are available at http://www.dachb0den.com/projects/bsd-airtools.html. Netstumbler is available at http://www.netstumlber.com (Windows-based). Linux tools can be found at http://sourceforge.net/projects/wavelan-tools/ and additional articles at http://www.netstumbler.com/search.php?topic=1. > Cheers, > Jeff -- Scott Francis darkuncle@ [home:] d a r k u n c l e . n e t Systems/Network Manager sfrancis@ [work:] t o n o s . c o m GPG public key 0xCB33CCA7 illum oportet crescere me autem minui -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Speak now, or forever hold your peace ... -- Scott Francis darkuncle@ [home:] d a r k u n c l e . n e t Systems/Network Manager sfrancis@ [work:] t o n o s . c o m GPG public key 0xCB33CCA7 illum oportet crescere me autem minui -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 872 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/losangeles-pm/attachments/20020304/8131e8b2/attachment.bin From SKamkar at LucidX.com Mon Mar 4 15:44:19 2002 From: SKamkar at LucidX.com (Samy Kamkar) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:13 2004 Subject: LA.pm: MEETING TIME UPDATED Message-ID: <3C83EAB3.2070906@LucidX.com> The social meeting time for the Saturday, March 9th meeting has been pushed back from 4 PM to 5 PM. Everything else will remain the same, here's all the info which is also available at: http://la.pm.org http://lapm.lucidx.com Date: Saturday, March 9th Time: 5 PM (CHANGED from 4 PM) Cheesecake Factory (626-584-6000) 2 West Colorado Blvd. Pasadena, 91101 [Old Town] Discussion: This will be a social meeting so anything is up for discussion. I will, however, be introducing the: LAPM GOLF CHALLENGE! More info is available at http://la.pm.org/golf/ On the same topic, The Perl Review's Golf Tournament can be found at: http://perlgolf.sourceforge.net Again, a map is available at both http://la.pm.org/meetings/ and http://lapm.lucidx.com Scott also pointed out that directions and a map are available at: http://www.cheesecakefactory.com/l-pa-map.html Sorry for any inconvenience. Please let me know if you have any questions or comments! -- Samy Kamkar Pezeshkian -- cp5@LucidX.com LucidX.com / cobra.LucidX.com / LA.pm.org / code.LucidX.com From rspier at pobox.com Wed Mar 6 20:32:05 2002 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:13 2004 Subject: LA.pm: Perl Training Message-ID: <15494.53541.739237.523779@rls.cx> A friend of mine from back east, the venerable Mark-Jason Dominus (http://www.plover.com/perl) asked if I could make a brief commercial announcement. He's a well known Perl Trainer (http://perl.plover.com/yak/) and is curious if anyone out here in the SoCal area has a company that is looking for any perl classes or training. If you have a company that might be able to use his services, you can contact him at the address found on his website. As a plus - if he comes out here to do some training classes/work - we could fit into the schedule one of his numerous "free" talks - which are very very good. I've seen a lot of his work (and a lot of work from others) and Mark is a veritable perl wizard. -R From avramaelony at hotmail.com Thu Mar 7 09:24:43 2002 From: avramaelony at hotmail.com (Avram Aelony) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:13 2004 Subject: LA.pm: the next meeting Message-ID: hi! I am a california native living in boston. I've been a silent member of this list for a while now and think it's great that there's a perl community in LA. I've been using perl for about 4 years though I don't profess to make claim to insight or wisdom from this. I will be in So. Cal this weekend and would like to plan on attending the la.pm meeting, just thought I'd be conscientious and ask first. Is this okay? -Avram _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From SKamkar at LucidX.com Thu Mar 7 09:56:19 2002 From: SKamkar at LucidX.com (Samy Kamkar) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:13 2004 Subject: LA.pm: the next meeting References: Message-ID: <3C878DA3.9090402@LucidX.com> We would love for you to come! All you need to do is come to the Cheesecake Factory at 5 PM, all the details are at http://la.pm.org/meetings/ So we'll see you there! -Samy Avram Aelony wrote: > > hi! > I am a california native living in boston. I've been a silent member of > this list for a while now and think it's great that there's a perl > community in LA. I've been using perl for about 4 years though I don't > profess to make claim to insight or wisdom from this. I will be in So. > Cal this weekend and would like to plan on attending the la.pm meeting, > just thought I'd be conscientious and ask first. Is this okay? > > -Avram > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > -- Samy Kamkar Pezeshkian -- cp5@LucidX.com LucidX.com / code.LucidX.com / LA.pm.org From SKamkar at LucidX.com Fri Mar 8 15:40:06 2002 From: SKamkar at LucidX.com (Samy Kamkar) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:13 2004 Subject: LA.pm: Meeting tomorrow [reminder] Message-ID: <3C892FB6.6000404@LucidX.com> Just a reminder to everyone that there will be an LAPM social meeting tomorrow (Saturday, March 9th) at 5 PM at the Cheesecake Factory in Old Pasadena. Directions, maps, discussion, and all other information can be found at: http://la.pm.org/meetings/ or http://lapm.lucidx.com/meetings/ I'll see you all tomorrow! -- Samy Kamkar Pezeshkian -- cp5@LucidX.com LucidX.com / code.LucidX.com / LA.pm.org From SKamkar at LucidX.com Fri Mar 8 21:26:08 2002 From: SKamkar at LucidX.com (Samy Kamkar) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:13 2004 Subject: LA.pm: Golf challenge tomorrow Message-ID: <3C8980D0.6030602@LucidX.com> Just wanted to let you all know that the LAPM Golf Challenge #1 will be presented at the meeting. Anyone who wants to know more about this or wants to participate, take a look at http://la.pm.org/golf/ There will be a selection of Perl-related books and possibly gear, as well, for the winner(s)! You must bring your working solution to the meeting after this, if you have any questions or comments, let me know! -- Samy Kamkar Pezeshkian -- cp5@LucidX.com LucidX.com / code.LucidX.com / LA.pm.org From rspier at pobox.com Sat Mar 9 15:17:04 2002 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:13 2004 Subject: LA.pm: Golf challenge tomorrow In-Reply-To: <3C8980D0.6030602@LucidX.com> References: <3C8980D0.6030602@LucidX.com> Message-ID: <1015708625.11664.0.camel@bear> Samy- I'm going to keep nudging you until you make the default la.pm.org something that those of us with pacbell DSL can access. Having a second URL to remember is a pain. -R On Fri, 2002-03-08 at 19:26, Samy Kamkar wrote: > Just wanted to let you all know that the LAPM Golf Challenge #1 will be > presented at the meeting. Anyone who wants to know more about this or > wants to participate, take a look at http://la.pm.org/golf/ > > There will be a selection of Perl-related books and possibly gear, as > well, for the winner(s)! You must bring your working solution to the > meeting after this, if you have any questions or comments, let me know! > > -- > Samy Kamkar Pezeshkian -- cp5@LucidX.com > LucidX.com / code.LucidX.com / LA.pm.org > From gstark at electrorent.com Wed Mar 13 10:38:05 2002 From: gstark at electrorent.com (Greg Stark) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:13 2004 Subject: LA.pm: O'Reilly thing Message-ID: <002a01c1caad$7383e060$8506800a@cp1.electrorent.com> PUT UP A CONFERENCE BANNER, GET A FREE BOOK We are still looking for user groups to display our conference banners on their web sites. If you send me the link to your user group site with our Emerging Technology conference banner, I will send you the O'Reilly book of your choice. If you have done this already, put it on your own personal web site and let me know. I will send you another book. O'Reilly Emerging Technology Conference banners: http://conferences.oreillynet.com/pub/w/18/banner_ads.html From gstark at electrorent.com Wed Mar 13 10:52:21 2002 From: gstark at electrorent.com (Greg Stark) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:13 2004 Subject: LA.pm: Could make the meeting. Message-ID: <005801c1caaf$71bcca10$8506800a@cp1.electrorent.com> Fellow la.pm.org, After this long awaited meeting...I didn't make it. I wasn't feeling well. I am curious to know what happened at the gathering. How was the golfing? Who won? What topics of discussion came up. What else happened. Also, yes we display O'Reily on the la.pm website. This is for a conference. Does the yapc have something. Gregory Stark :| From rspier at pobox.com Wed Mar 13 18:30:07 2002 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:13 2004 Subject: LA.pm: IBM X22 notebook Message-ID: <20020314003007.GA6374@newbabe.pobox.com> Any lapm'ers have a IBM X22 notebook? I'm thinking of buying one, but I'd like to see one in person before comitting to it. -R From SKamkar at LucidX.com Sat Mar 16 00:50:41 2002 From: SKamkar at LucidX.com (Samy Kamkar) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:13 2004 Subject: LA.pm: Golf Challenge #1 Message-ID: <3C92EB41.3050603@LucidX.com> The LAPM Golf Challenge (#1) is released to the public :) http://la.pm.org/golf/gc1.html The official golf page is at http://la.pm.org/golf/ I will be setting up PGAS (Perl Golf Administration System -- http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/perlgolf/) soon as well (it still needs some work but is a pretty cool thing). That will allow users to submit their code and update it whenever they wish on the web so others can see your score. It will also test it for you to make sure your code works correctly. Just to let you know, The Perl Review has a great golf tournament as well, found at http://perlgolf.sourceforge.net Just for the record, I'm currently at 149 bytes and one command line option which counts as 152 bytes for the factorial program -- I hope this encourages some of you to try harder if you haven't beaten that already! Also, meeting details will be up shortly :) -- Samy Kamkar Pezeshkian -- cp5@LucidX.com LucidX.com / code.LucidX.com / LA.pm.org From SKamkar at LucidX.com Sat Mar 16 15:40:49 2002 From: SKamkar at LucidX.com (Samy Kamkar) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:13 2004 Subject: LA.pm: Golf Challenge Test Program Message-ID: <3C93BBE1.2040804@LucidX.com> Here's a test program you can use to test 'your' program to make sure it works correctly. It's available at http://la.pm.org/golf/testgc1.pl Just stick in the directory where your program is and run: `perl testgc1.pl` (be sure to rename/copy your progarm to 'gc1.pl' Also make sure you have a shebang in your code (#! line) Include any options you want on that line, e.g.: #!/usr/bin/perl -X ...code... Only the options in the shebang will add to your golf score. The last newline in your code and newline on the shebang line also do not count. Update on my code -- now at 137 bytes + 1 commandline option :) -- Samy Kamkar Pezeshkian -- cp5@LucidX.com LucidX.com / code.LucidX.com / LA.pm.org From rspier at pobox.com Sun Mar 17 00:29:34 2002 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:13 2004 Subject: LA.pm: Meeting Space Message-ID: <1016346574.11527.6.camel@bear> I'll have a long talk (two to three hours) which I'll want to give in mid May or so. Does anyone know anyone at CalTech/UCLA/USC who might be able to get us a room? Or does anyone have a room that can seat 30 people comfortably for a few hours, with a computer projection system? More details forthcomingin a few weeks - but this talk should be interesting for anyone who programs in perl or any other language and has ever wondered "Why isn't this faster?" -R From SKamkar at LucidX.com Tue Mar 19 17:17:56 2002 From: SKamkar at LucidX.com (Samy Kamkar) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:13 2004 Subject: [Fwd: Re: LA.pm: Golf Challenge Test Program] Message-ID: <3C97C724.6030005@LucidX.com> Hah hah hah Here's Greg's unqualified 102-stroke code :) -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: LA.pm: Golf Challenge Test Program Date: 19 Mar 2002 14:21:23 -0800 From: Greg Schueler To: Samy Kamkar References: <3C93BBE1.2040804@LucidX.com> hey samy, would this be disqualified (i didn't see any rule against it)? ;) #!/usr/bin/perl -l $a=pop;open(F,"testgc1.pl");local$/;$_=;/\@v.*?# ${a}(.+?)(#|\))/s; $_=$1;s/[#\s",.\n)]//g;print You passed! You shot a round of 102 strokes (matched 59 [^\w\s]). -- Samy Kamkar Pezeshkian -- cp5@LucidX.com LucidX.com / code.LucidX.com / LA.pm.org From SKamkar at LucidX.com Tue Mar 19 22:16:50 2002 From: SKamkar at LucidX.com (Samy Kamkar) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:13 2004 Subject: LA.pm: Golf submission page up Message-ID: <3C980D32.8010408@LucidX.com> Anyone who's golfing, you can now submit your code and update at any time from: http://la.pm.org/cgi-bin/PGAS/leader.cgi?course=1 Again, http://la.pm.org/golf/ is the main golf page -- leaderboard/rules/submissions/updates/etc. are all available from there Once you submit code, it will get sent to me and be tested. If passed, it will be put up on the leaderboard (also at http://la.pm.org/cgi-bin/PGAS/leader.cgi?course=1) You can view anyone's score from the leaderboard and if you ever want to update your code, you can do so from the page. This is all done using PGAS, the Perl Golf Administration System, found at http://perlgolf.sourceforge.net/ If anyone has any questions or comments, please let me know! -- Samy Kamkar Pezeshkian -- cp5@LucidX.com LucidX.com / code.LucidX.com / LA.pm.org From bbacker at yahoo.com Fri Mar 22 12:32:16 2002 From: bbacker at yahoo.com (Bryan Backer) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:13 2004 Subject: LA.pm: OT: XML speaking opportunity (was FW: [aipvl] MS reps not available) Message-ID: <20020322183216.91451.qmail@web12104.mail.yahoo.com> I apologize if this is a bit off topic, but if any of you who may be XML experts would be interested in speaking or know somebody who would be, that would be most helpful. This is a more business oriented, slightly less technical atmosphere than some other user groups, but would be great exposure for any local XML/web service firms. Also, having an Linux/perl-o-phile type replace the Microsoft speaker might be nice anyway... :) Even if you're not interested in presenting, you may wish to attend, or attend the Apr 9 technical session. > To: Bryan Backer > Subject: [Fwd: FW: [aipvl] MS reps not available] > > > > Kyrsten Johnson wrote: > > > Bry, if you could send a note out to your Linux crew > > and ask for a speaker for us, this may help with the > > details... > > > > ------------------------------ > > To all interested speakers on XML and Web Services > > for the March 26, 7pm meeting of the AIP-LA (info at > > la.association.org) > > > > The format of the discussion is a casual, very > > informal panel. It typically starts very broad > > (industry trends etc..) and then moves toward a more > > narrow set of topics that our audience cares about > > (jobs, education etc...). It is not a technical > > discussion - but rather one that is most suited for > > managers or entrepreneurs. > > > > The topic that we are preparing ("XML and Web > > Services") will mostly cover industry trends and > > broad stroke issues such as XML - And the hype > > surrounding it... What is it? How is it useful for > > businesses? What are the differences between Sun's, > > Microsoft and others approach to Web Services, etc.? > > > > What this panel is *not* is a tutorial on XML and Web > > Services. The questions will not be at the "code" > > level. (We will have a follow up panel on April 9th > > that will be an interactive tutorial.) > > > > Mostly questions would start at the 50,000 foot > > level, and then probably go toward what kinds of > > skills, etc. that people need to get into this new > > technology. > > > > Please contact me if you're interested in speaking on > > a panel or attending the meeting. > > > > Regards, > > Kyrsten Johnson > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Director of Events > > AIP - Los Angeles Chapter > > kjohnson@association.org ===== ------------ bbacker@mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ From SKamkar at LucidX.com Fri Mar 22 23:21:29 2002 From: SKamkar at LucidX.com (Samy Kamkar) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:13 2004 Subject: LA.pm: those who couldn't access page.. Message-ID: <3C9C10D9.1000207@LucidX.com> For those of you who couldn't access the page, just want to let you know that's all fixed now. You should be able to access la.pm.org perfectly well. Problem lyed in the routes, very odd stuff but it's all fixed now and we shouldn't have any more probs. -Samy From SKamkar at LucidX.com Fri Mar 22 23:26:42 2002 From: SKamkar at LucidX.com (Samy Kamkar) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:13 2004 Subject: LA.pm: Let's get golfing! Message-ID: <3C9C1212.1030707@LucidX.com> Let's get golfing! Just want to get all you guys intersted in the perl golf challenge (coding in the least amount of (key)strokes) to submit your solutions to http://la.pm.org/golf/gc1.html You can update your code at 'any' time and no one will be able to view your code, only the number of bytes. Also, if you've never golfed before, there's a beginners board so no one will be left out Prizes will be awarded to 1st place of both the beginner and veteran boards.