From rbowen at rcbowen.com Sun Feb 4 18:29:49 2001 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:00 2004 Subject: LPM: Monday Message-ID: <3A7DF3FD.53D2AF3D@rcbowen.com> Next monday is Perl Mongers day. Any volunteers to speak? -- Rich Bowen -- Director of Web Application Development http://www.cre8tivegroup.com/ -- rich@cre8tivegroup.com Have trouble remembering things? http://www.mymissinghead.com/ From sungo at qx.net Sun Feb 4 18:41:16 2001 From: sungo at qx.net (Matt Cashner) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:00 2004 Subject: LPM: Monday In-Reply-To: <3A7DF3FD.53D2AF3D@rcbowen.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 4 Feb 2001, Rich Bowen wrote: > Next monday is Perl Mongers day. Any volunteers to speak? i might be able to find something to prattle on. suggestion: that we find a better place (and time?) to meet. the current room is simply not adequate for our needs, and since moving there, our numbers have dwindled. *shrug* m. From rbowen at rcbowen.com Sun Feb 4 19:05:24 2001 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:00 2004 Subject: LPM: Monday References: Message-ID: <3A7DFC54.D169B0B0@rcbowen.com> > suggestion: that we find a better place (and time?) to meet. the current > room is simply not adequate for our needs, and since moving there, our > numbers have dwindled. *shrug* Yes, I was going to bring that up, but I keep forgetting. The time and location seem to be steadily driving people away. Personally, I liked it when we met at lunch at Joseph Beth. That was the best time and location we've ever had, IMHO. I know that lunch eliminates some people and that evenings eliminate other people. My motto is that although we can't make everyone happy, we can at least make me happy. Or something like that. Thoughts anyone? -- Rich Bowen -- Director of Web Application Development http://www.cre8tivegroup.com/ -- rich@cre8tivegroup.com Have trouble remembering things? http://www.mymissinghead.com/ From repett0 at sweb.uky.edu Sun Feb 4 19:06:27 2001 From: repett0 at sweb.uky.edu (Ronald Edward Petty) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:00 2004 Subject: LPM: perl lectures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: sometime in the future (month or 2) would anyone be interested in giving a lecture to perl to the acm? I mean a practical example (installing it, using it, and some technical issues with it)? Ron On Sun, 4 Feb 2001, Matt Cashner wrote: > On Sun, 4 Feb 2001, Rich Bowen wrote: > > > Next monday is Perl Mongers day. Any volunteers to speak? > > i might be able to find something to prattle on. > > suggestion: that we find a better place (and time?) to meet. the current > room is simply not adequate for our needs, and since moving there, our > numbers have dwindled. *shrug* > > m. > > From rbowen at rcbowen.com Sun Feb 4 19:19:16 2001 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:00 2004 Subject: LPM: perl lectures References: Message-ID: <3A7DFF94.8CA9B0D3@rcbowen.com> Ronald Edward Petty wrote: > > sometime in the future (month or 2) would anyone be interested in giving a > lecture to perl to the acm? I mean a practical example (installing it, > using it, and some technical issues with it)? When and where are the meetings? -- Rich Bowen -- Director of Web Application Development http://www.cre8tivegroup.com/ -- rich@cre8tivegroup.com Have trouble remembering things? http://www.mymissinghead.com/ From rbowen at rcbowen.com Sun Feb 4 19:23:13 2001 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:00 2004 Subject: LPM: Template Toolkit Message-ID: <3A7E0081.3273F413@rcbowen.com> Have any of you folks used Template Toolkit? http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/01/tt2.html -- Rich Bowen -- Director of Web Application Development http://www.cre8tivegroup.com/ -- rich@cre8tivegroup.com Have trouble remembering things? http://www.mymissinghead.com/ From repett0 at sweb.uky.edu Sun Feb 4 21:02:03 2001 From: repett0 at sweb.uky.edu (Ronald Edward Petty) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:00 2004 Subject: LPM: perl lectures In-Reply-To: <3A7DFF94.8CA9B0D3@rcbowen.com> Message-ID: we are having the meetings in the Hardymon building on campus every other wednesday starting this week.. (its the new networking building on the corner of rose and maxwell).. 7pm. Ron On Sun, 4 Feb 2001, Rich Bowen wrote: > Ronald Edward Petty wrote: > > > > sometime in the future (month or 2) would anyone be interested in giving a > > lecture to perl to the acm? I mean a practical example (installing it, > > using it, and some technical issues with it)? > > When and where are the meetings? > > -- > Rich Bowen -- Director of Web Application Development > http://www.cre8tivegroup.com/ -- rich@cre8tivegroup.com > Have trouble remembering things? http://www.mymissinghead.com/ > From fprice at upended.org Mon Feb 5 16:51:33 2001 From: fprice at upended.org (Frank Price) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:00 2004 Subject: LPM: Monday In-Reply-To: <3A7DF3FD.53D2AF3D@rcbowen.com>; from rbowen@rcbowen.com on Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 07:29:49PM -0500 References: <3A7DF3FD.53D2AF3D@rcbowen.com> Message-ID: <20010205175133.A14320@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 07:29:49PM -0500, Rich Bowen wrote: > Next monday is Perl Mongers day. Any volunteers to speak? I've been using Sys::Syslog lately for logging things. I can ramble upon that if desired. -Frank. -- Frank Price | fprice@upended.org | www.upended.org/fprice/ GPG key: www.upended.org/fprice/gpg.asc | E Pluribus Unix From neth at dslky.net Mon Feb 5 20:41:46 2001 From: neth at dslky.net (Kenneth Rogers) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:00 2004 Subject: LPM: record creation in perl Message-ID: <200102060238.VAA14904@www.dialupky.com> I've been trying to puzzle this one out of the cookbook for about half an hour now and I just can't quite get it. p.383 if you want to follow along. They've created a record '$record' which is an anonymous hash, they claim to be able to make a hash of these records for use "#store record $byname{ $record->{NAME} } = $record; " So then in order to make a bunch of these does this mean I need to have a $record that's separate for each one that I want to build? I'm hoping not I'm trying to make a dynamic system where I can create these records (the one's I'm using have 4 integers and an array that contains integers and characters right now). The problem I see right now is that I don't know how to just add a new record to '$byname' without completely creating the whole record first, I'd rather be able to say something like $byname{$record->{NUMBER} } = { NUMBER => 2, PARENT => 1, BOARD => @board }; but I can't tell if that's legal ( it doesn't compile but that could be my fault and not that its impossible to do. ) Is there a better way to do this? Maybe a two dimensional array or somesuch, I can't figure out how to get the data I need packed into a 2D array right now though. anyway, Thanks In Advance. Ken R. OS X: Power meets Grace, Unix with a Macintosh face. -- Salon.com From fprice at upended.org Tue Feb 6 07:45:21 2001 From: fprice at upended.org (Frank Price) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:00 2004 Subject: LPM: record creation in perl In-Reply-To: <200102060238.VAA14904@www.dialupky.com>; from neth@dslky.net on Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 09:41:46PM -0500 References: <200102060238.VAA14904@www.dialupky.com> Message-ID: <20010206084521.A15054@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 09:41:46PM -0500, Kenneth Rogers wrote: > I've been trying to puzzle this one out of the cookbook for about > half an hour now and I just can't quite get it. > > p.383 if you want to follow along. I don't have it in front of me now, but I'll try :-) > They've created a record '$record' which is an anonymous hash, they > claim to be able to make a hash of these records for use > > "#store record $byname{ $record->{NAME} } = $record; " So this looks like %byname is a hash, the keys of which are a string describing the NAME of the record (hopefully unique), and the values of which are the anon hash itself. This is functionally the same as doing this: my @records; foreach my $thing (@bunch_of_things) { my $record = { ATTR=>'val', ... }; # could combine these two push (@records, $record); } except that with the %byname hash you can look it up by name, of course. > So then in order to make a bunch of these does this mean I need to > have a $record that's separate for each one that I want to build? > I'm hoping not I'm trying to make a dynamic system where I can > create these records (the one's I'm using have 4 integers and an > array that contains integers and characters right now). The problem > I see right now is that I don't know how to just add a new record to > '$byname' without completely creating the whole record first, AFAIK, whether it's a anonymous hash or blessed object, you'll need to create one for each "thing" you want to work with. But you can use a my variable inside a loop to create the hash and then store it in another hash or array. Since it is stored in the hash or array, it continues to exist when the my variable goes out of scope. > I'd > rather be able to say something like > > $byname{$record->{NUMBER} } = { NUMBER => 2, PARENT => 1, BOARD => > @board }; > > but I can't tell if that's legal ( it doesn't compile but that could > be my fault and not that its impossible to do. ) I think the problem here is that $record->{NUMBER} doesn't refer to anything, at least from what I can see. If you want to key off NUMBER, maybe: $byname{'2'} = {NUMBER => 2, PARENT => 1, BOARD => > @board }; is better. Actually in this case, you might use an array to hold them: $array[2] = {NUMBER => 2, PARENT => 1, BOARD => > @board }; and then you can do foreach my $record (sort @array) and use them. Hope this helps, -Frank. -- Frank Price | fprice@upended.org | www.upended.org/fprice/ GPG key: www.upended.org/fprice/gpg.asc | E Pluribus Unix From sml at zfx.com Tue Feb 6 09:45:21 2001 From: sml at zfx.com (Steve Lane) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:00 2004 Subject: LPM: record creation in perl References: <200102060238.VAA14904@www.dialupky.com> Message-ID: <3A801C11.167E@zfx.com> Kenneth Rogers wrote: > They've created a record '$record' which is an anonymous hash, they claim to be able to make a hash of these records for use > > #store record > $byname{ $record->{NAME} } = $record; this is an example of restructuring an already-built hash into a more-usable form, and from your problem description, probably not what you want. > So then in order to make a bunch of these does this mean I need to have a $record that's separate for each one that I want to build? I'm hoping not I'm trying to make a dynamic system where I can create these records (the one's I'm using have 4 integers and an array that contains integers and characters right now). The problem I see right now is that I don't know how to just add a new record to '$byname' without completely creating the whole record first, I'd rather be able to say something li > > $byname{$record->{NUMBER} } = { NUMBER => 2, > PARENT => 1, BOARD => @board }; > > but I can't tell if that's legal ( it doesn't compile but that could be my fault and not that its impossible to do. ) it should compile. but it's not correct. hash values must be scalars, and @board is not a scalar. you'd want to use "[ @board ]" (a reference to an anonymous list) instead. > Is there a better way to do this? Maybe a two dimensional array or somesuch, I can't figure out how to get the data I need packed into a 2D array right now though. yes. you're not too far off. try: $record{2} = { NUMBER => 2, PARENT => 1, BOARD => [ @board ] }; or, more generally (and formatted), $record{$number} = { NUMBER => $number, PARENT => $parent, BOARD => [ @board ], }; since $record{$number}{BOARD} is a reference, you'll eventually have to dereference it to get what was @board back out. here's one way to do that: @board = @{ $record{$number}{BOARD} }; good luck, Steve -- Steve Lane From CHall at eCorporation.com Tue Feb 6 10:08:43 2001 From: CHall at eCorporation.com (Chris Hall) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:00 2004 Subject: LPM: template suggestions Message-ID: <1BC34D59866FD4119DF2009027B0A59011DE0F@cerabus.ecorporation.com> I have been using HTML::Template for a few months now, and I like it, but I was wondering what everyone else was using (if anything) for data driven HTML templates From sungo at qx.net Tue Feb 6 10:00:05 2001 From: sungo at qx.net (Matt Cashner) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:00 2004 Subject: LPM: template suggestions In-Reply-To: <1BC34D59866FD4119DF2009027B0A59011DE0F@cerabus.ecorporation.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Chris Hall wrote: > I have been using HTML::Template for a few months now, and I like it, but I > was wondering what everyone else was using (if anything) for data driven > HTML templates Text::Template From janine at emazing.com Tue Feb 6 10:27:05 2001 From: janine at emazing.com (Janine) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:00 2004 Subject: LPM: RE: template suggestions In-Reply-To: <1BC34D59866FD4119DF2009027B0A59011DE0F@cerabus.ecorporation.com> Message-ID: We use a home-grown product that's similar to Text::Template. Janine > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lexington-pm-list@pm.org > [mailto:owner-lexington-pm-list@pm.org]On Behalf Of Chris Hall > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 11:09 AM > To: lexington-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org > Subject: LPM: template suggestions > > > I have been using HTML::Template for a few months now, and I like it, but I > was wondering what everyone else was using (if anything) for data driven > HTML templates > > From hempy at ket.org Tue Feb 6 11:33:59 2001 From: hempy at ket.org (David Hempy) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:00 2004 Subject: LPM: template suggestions In-Reply-To: <1BC34D59866FD4119DF2009027B0A59011DE0F@cerabus.ecorporatio n.com> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20010206123149.01f98af0@mail.ket.org> At 11:08 AM 2/6/2001 -0500, you wrote: >I have been using HTML::Template for a few months now, and I like it, but I >was wondering what everyone else was using (if anything) for data driven >HTML templates I like Text::Template. You don't have to learn any new syntax, and you can do absolutely *anything* you want in your templates. If you have page designers fooling around with the templates, there is a little more rope for them to hang themselves with compared to other template approaches. But if you're doing your own templates, or the page designers are just down the hall, the flexibility is fantastic. -dave -- David Hempy Internet Database Administrator Kentucky Educational Television -- (859)258-7164 -- (800)333-9764 From gcasillo at ket.org Tue Feb 6 12:11:10 2001 From: gcasillo at ket.org (Gregg Casillo) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:00 2004 Subject: LPM: template suggestions References: <5.0.0.25.0.20010206123149.01f98af0@mail.ket.org> Message-ID: <3A803E3E.2070603@ket.org> My name is Gregg Casillo, and I'm a Text::Template user too. Seriously, it is a good module to work with. One caveat I have when using templates in CGI scripts is server side includes in HTML files. Don't use SSI's in HTML pages you use as Text::Templates or you'll go looking for the nearest pike to impale yourself on. Has anyone used HTML::Mason? That module has gotten a lot of pub in TPJ and elsewhere... Gregg Casillo Web Programmer, Kentucky Educational Television From rbowen at rcbowen.com Tue Feb 6 09:42:46 2001 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:00 2004 Subject: LPM: RE: record creation etc Message-ID: <3A801B76.8519F891@rcbowen.com> Fowarding "non-member submission" -------- Original Message -------- From: "Braun, Thomas " To: lexington-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: RE: record creation in perl Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 22:01:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain I think something like this is what you're saying: my (%by_num, $not_done, $record, $number, $parent, @board); $not_done = 1; while ($not_done) { $record = {}; # Get your $number, $parent, and @board however you like $record->{PARENT} = $parent; $record->{BOARD} = \@board; $by_num{$number} = $record; # Figure out if you're done and set your test condition accordingly } For one thing, you will want to include @board as a reference to an array, not as an array itself. You could then reference things from @board with $by_num{$num}->{BOARD}->[$array_index] for example. It may not be necessary to reinitialize $record to {} each time through, but I tend to be overcautious on stuff like that just to make sure everything gets reset. Does that help at all? > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lexington-pm-list@pm.org > [mailto:owner-lexington-pm-list@pm.org]On Behalf Of Kenneth Rogers > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 9:42 PM > To: lexington-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org > Subject: LPM: record creation in perl > > > I've been trying to puzzle this one out of the cookbook for > about half an hour now and I just can't quite get it. > > p.383 if you want to follow along. > > They've created a record '$record' which is an anonymous > hash, they claim to be able to make a hash of these records for use > > "#store record > $byname{ $record->{NAME} } = $record; " > > So then in order to make a bunch of these does this mean I > need to have a $record that's separate for each one that I > want to build? I'm hoping not I'm trying to make a dynamic > system where I can create these records (the one's I'm using > have 4 integers and an array that contains integers and > characters right now). The problem I see right now is that I > don't know how to just add a new record to '$byname' without > completely creating the whole record first, I'd rather be > able to say something like > > $byname{$record->{NUMBER} } = { NUMBER => 2, > > PARENT => 1, > > BOARD => @board }; > > but I can't tell if that's legal ( it doesn't compile but > that could be my fault and not that its impossible to do. ) > > > Is there a better way to do this? Maybe a two dimensional > array or somesuch, I can't figure out how to get the data I > need packed into a 2D array right now though. > > anyway, Thanks In Advance. > > Ken R. > > OS X: Power meets Grace, Unix with a Macintosh face. -- Salon.com From sungo at qx.net Tue Feb 6 12:33:57 2001 From: sungo at qx.net (Matt Cashner) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:00 2004 Subject: LPM: template suggestions In-Reply-To: <3A803E3E.2070603@ket.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Gregg Casillo wrote: > My name is Gregg Casillo, and I'm a Text::Template user too. Seriously, > it is a good module to work with. One caveat I have when using templates > in CGI scripts is server side includes in HTML files. Don't use SSI's in > HTML pages you use as Text::Templates or you'll go looking for the > nearest pike to impale yourself on. cgi output in general, at least with apache, shouldnt contain ssi directives. reason being that apache parses ssi stuff long before the cgi is ever run. sounds silly but its true. m. From sml at zfx.com Tue Feb 6 12:35:53 2001 From: sml at zfx.com (Steve Lane) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:00 2004 Subject: LPM: RE: record creation etc References: <3A801B76.8519F891@rcbowen.com> Message-ID: <3A804409.6201@zfx.com> > From: "Braun, Thomas " > > my (%by_num, $not_done, $record, $number, $parent, @board); > $not_done = 1; > while ($not_done) { > $record = {}; > # Get your $number, $parent, and @board however you like > $record->{PARENT} = $parent; > $record->{BOARD} = \@board; > $by_num{$number} = $record; > # Figure out if you're done and set your test condition accordingly > } one major problem here: $record->{BOARD} will have the same value (the last value of @board) for all entries, because it's lexicalized outside the loop, and so the $record->{BOARD} references all point to the same value. to fix, either use: $record->{BOARD} = [ @board ]; or while ($not_done) { my @board; # i.e. lexicalized inside the loop -- Steve Lane From rbowen at rcbowen.com Tue Feb 6 17:32:57 2001 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:00 2004 Subject: LPM: template suggestions References: <1BC34D59866FD4119DF2009027B0A59011DE0F@cerabus.ecorporation.com> Message-ID: <3A8089A9.8918D4CF@rcbowen.com> Chris Hall wrote: > > I have been using HTML::Template for a few months now, and I like it, but I > was wondering what everyone else was using (if anything) for data driven > HTML templates As a Text::Template user, I'm hearing a lot of good stuff about Template Toolkit, hence my question last week. I'd really like to hear more about it. Perhaps this will mean that i need to figure it out and give a talk on it. We'll see. But if someone else has figured it out already, I'd really like to hear about it. -- Rich Bowen -- Director of Web Application Development http://www.cre8tivegroup.com/ -- rich@cre8tivegroup.com Come see me at Apachecon! -- http://www.apachecon.com/ From janine at emazing.com Wed Feb 7 07:32:59 2001 From: janine at emazing.com (Janine) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:00 2004 Subject: LPM: template suggestions In-Reply-To: <3A8089A9.8918D4CF@rcbowen.com> Message-ID: I'm trying to figure out how to call Perl from Java. During my research, I came across this article about Template Toolkit: http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/01/tt2.html?wwwrrr_rss Have you seen this yet, Rich? Janine > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lexington-pm-list@pm.org > [mailto:owner-lexington-pm-list@pm.org]On Behalf Of Rich Bowen > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 6:33 PM > To: lexington-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org > Subject: Re: LPM: template suggestions > > > Chris Hall wrote: > > > > I have been using HTML::Template for a few months now, and I > like it, but I > > was wondering what everyone else was using (if anything) for data driven > > HTML templates > > As a Text::Template user, I'm hearing a lot of good stuff about Template > Toolkit, hence my question last week. I'd really like to hear more about > it. Perhaps this will mean that i need to figure it out and give a talk > on it. We'll see. But if someone else has figured it out already, I'd > really like to hear about it. > > -- > Rich Bowen -- Director of Web Application Development > http://www.cre8tivegroup.com/ -- rich@cre8tivegroup.com > Come see me at Apachecon! -- http://www.apachecon.com/ > From rbowen at rcbowen.com Thu Feb 8 22:37:11 2001 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:00 2004 Subject: LPM: Monday Message-ID: <3A8373F7.C03B3D4E@rcbowen.com> Since we never completely settled on any particular speaker, I wanted to restart this discussion. Matt said that he could talk about something, and that's fine. I was just not sure if 1) that was definately settled on and 2) if anyone was actually going to come. So, I'll be there. Anyone else? -- Rich Bowen Come see me at Apachecon! -- http://www.apachecon.com/ From rbowen at rcbowen.com Thu Feb 8 22:37:58 2001 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:00 2004 Subject: LPM: Rescheduling Message-ID: <3A837426.53AB7B94@rcbowen.com> Another issue that never got really settled. Is anyone interested in proposing an alternate time for meetings, so that we can have more than 4 or 5 in attendance? -- Rich Bowen Come see me at Apachecon! -- http://www.apachecon.com/ From sungo at qx.net Thu Feb 8 22:44:53 2001 From: sungo at qx.net (Matt Cashner) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:00 2004 Subject: LPM: Rescheduling In-Reply-To: <3A837426.53AB7B94@rcbowen.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Rich Bowen wrote: > Another issue that never got really settled. Is anyone interested in > proposing an alternate time for meetings, so that we can have more than > 4 or 5 in attendance? lunch works for me, if the boss says its all right. :P but seriously, anything but wednesday and saturday evenings work for me. m. From sungo at qx.net Thu Feb 8 22:46:27 2001 From: sungo at qx.net (Matt Cashner) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:00 2004 Subject: LPM: Monday In-Reply-To: <3A8373F7.C03B3D4E@rcbowen.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Rich Bowen wrote: > Since we never completely settled on any particular speaker, I wanted to > restart this discussion. Matt said that he could talk about something, wow. short notice. ok. hey frank, you said you had some thing to discuss as well? if you want to do it, go for it. if not, i'll try and figure something out for monday. > and that's fine. I was just not sure if 1) that was definately settled > on and 2) if anyone was actually going to come. > > So, I'll be there. Anyone else? if no one else is coming, i need to know soon so i dont spend all weekend prepping a talk that no one comes to. that would suck. m. From dpitts at mk.net Thu Feb 8 22:30:39 2001 From: dpitts at mk.net (David Pitts) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:00 2004 Subject: LPM: Re: Monday References: <3A8373F7.C03B3D4E@rcbowen.com> Message-ID: <02e301c09251$0e6e74a0$7801a8c0@adverb.com> I have all intentions of being there.. Is the location/map posted at the web site? Thanks, David Pitts http://www.dpitts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Bowen" To: "Lexington Perl Mongers" Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 11:37 PM Subject: LPM: Monday > Since we never completely settled on any particular speaker, I wanted to > restart this discussion. Matt said that he could talk about something, > and that's fine. I was just not sure if 1) that was definately settled > on and 2) if anyone was actually going to come. > > So, I'll be there. Anyone else? > > -- > Rich Bowen > Come see me at Apachecon! -- http://www.apachecon.com/ > From rbowen at rcbowen.com Thu Feb 8 23:12:06 2001 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:00 2004 Subject: LPM: Monday References: Message-ID: <3A837C26.DE57A1FA@rcbowen.com> Matt Cashner wrote: > > On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Rich Bowen wrote: > > > Since we never completely settled on any particular speaker, I wanted to > > restart this discussion. Matt said that he could talk about something, > > wow. short notice. ok. Oh. Oops. Sorry. I thought you said that. I must have imagined it. > hey frank, you said you had some thing to discuss as well? if you want to > do it, go for it. if not, i'll try and figure something out for monday. > > > and that's fine. I was just not sure if 1) that was definately settled > > on and 2) if anyone was actually going to come. > > > > So, I'll be there. Anyone else? > > if no one else is coming, i need to know soon so i dont spend all weekend > prepping a talk that no one comes to. that would suck. Yes, trust me, it sucks -- Rich Bowen Come see me at Apachecon! -- http://www.apachecon.com/ From rbowen at rcbowen.com Thu Feb 8 23:13:09 2001 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:00 2004 Subject: LPM: Re: Monday References: <3A8373F7.C03B3D4E@rcbowen.com> <02e301c09251$0e6e74a0$7801a8c0@adverb.com> Message-ID: <3A837C65.E8ACD7AE@rcbowen.com> David Pitts wrote: > > I have all intentions of being there.. Is the location/map posted at the web > site? The web site is, as always, woefully out of date. I'll try to fix that. Meanwhile the location is the same, but there is no map lexington.pm.org -- Rich Bowen Come see me at Apachecon! -- http://www.apachecon.com/ From rbowen at rcbowen.com Thu Feb 8 23:13:39 2001 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:00 2004 Subject: LPM: Rescheduling References: Message-ID: <3A837C83.55EF7EE2@rcbowen.com> Matt Cashner wrote: > > On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Rich Bowen wrote: > > > Another issue that never got really settled. Is anyone interested in > > proposing an alternate time for meetings, so that we can have more than > > 4 or 5 in attendance? > > lunch works for me, if the boss says its all right. :P I hear he can be a real jerk about things like that. -- Rich Bowen Come see me at Apachecon! -- http://www.apachecon.com/ From sungo at qx.net Fri Feb 9 06:37:23 2001 From: sungo at qx.net (Matt Cashner) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:00 2004 Subject: LPM: Monday In-Reply-To: <3A837C26.DE57A1FA@rcbowen.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, Rich Bowen wrote: > Matt Cashner wrote: > > > > On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Rich Bowen wrote: > > > > > Since we never completely settled on any particular speaker, I wanted to > > > restart this discussion. Matt said that he could talk about something, > > > > wow. short notice. ok. > > Oh. Oops. Sorry. I thought you said that. I must have imagined it. no i did. i just havent thought about it since then :) From wsheldahl at qx.net Fri Feb 9 07:14:20 2001 From: wsheldahl at qx.net (Wesley) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:00 2004 Subject: LPM: Monday References: <3A8373F7.C03B3D4E@rcbowen.com> Message-ID: <3A83ED2C.A3595791@qx.net> Rich Bowen wrote: > > Since we never completely settled on any particular speaker, I wanted to > restart this discussion. Matt said that he could talk about something, > and that's fine. I was just not sure if 1) that was definately settled > on and 2) if anyone was actually going to come. > > So, I'll be there. Anyone else? > > -- > Rich Bowen > Come see me at Apachecon! -- http://www.apachecon.com/ I'll do my best to make it, provided my family is healthy enough for me to slip away, and I can find the darn place. I take it it's in the Whitehall building at UK, behind the semicircle, in room 208 at 6:00? And Whitehall is the big boxy 3-story building with huge staircases on each corner, right? As to other times and places, propose away. Generally speaking, I'd rather avoid UK campus. Evening seems better than lunch to me, but since I haven't been making it anyway... -- Wes Sheldahl wsheldahl@qx.net From fprice at upended.org Fri Feb 9 07:27:24 2001 From: fprice at upended.org (Frank Price) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:00 2004 Subject: LPM: Rescheduling In-Reply-To: ; from sungo@qx.net on Thu, Feb 08, 2001 at 11:44:53PM -0500 References: <3A837426.53AB7B94@rcbowen.com> Message-ID: <20010209082724.A18229@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, Feb 08, 2001 at 11:44:53PM -0500, Matt Cashner wrote: > On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Rich Bowen wrote: > > > Another issue that never got really settled. Is anyone interested in > > proposing an alternate time for meetings, so that we can have more than > > 4 or 5 in attendance? > > lunch works for me, if the boss says its all right. :P I could do lunch too. Actually that might be kinda nice to get out into the light of day for one day a month! But again, we must find a place! -Frank. -- Frank Price | fprice@upended.org | www.upended.org/fprice/ GPG key: www.upended.org/fprice/gpg.asc | E Pluribus Unix From fprice at upended.org Fri Feb 9 07:29:34 2001 From: fprice at upended.org (Frank Price) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:00 2004 Subject: LPM: Monday In-Reply-To: ; from sungo@qx.net on Thu, Feb 08, 2001 at 11:46:27PM -0500 References: <3A8373F7.C03B3D4E@rcbowen.com> Message-ID: <20010209082934.B18229@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, Feb 08, 2001 at 11:46:27PM -0500, Matt Cashner wrote: > On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Rich Bowen wrote: > > > Since we never completely settled on any particular speaker, I wanted to > > restart this discussion. Matt said that he could talk about something, > > wow. short notice. ok. > > hey frank, you said you had some thing to discuss as well? if you want to > do it, go for it. if not, i'll try and figure something out for monday. I can and still will talk about Sys::Syslog. But it probably doesn't have the general interest and overall pizzazz of whatever you will say, Matt. (;-) Just give me the word... -Frank. -- Frank Price | fprice@upended.org | www.upended.org/fprice/ GPG key: www.upended.org/fprice/gpg.asc | E Pluribus Unix From gcasillo at ket.org Fri Feb 9 08:50:34 2001 From: gcasillo at ket.org (Gregg Casillo) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:00 2004 Subject: LPM: Monday References: <3A8373F7.C03B3D4E@rcbowen.com> <20010209082934.B18229@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3A8403BA.1010200@ket.org> I agree with Frank, getting some sunlight would be nice. I'd like to meet over lunch. I find myself compelled to get out of the office between noon and 2:00 each day anyways, whereas I seem to be in a groove working around 5-6pm. Where would we meet if we did so over lunch? A restaurant of choice I presume? Gregg Casillo Web Programmer, KET From sungo at qx.net Fri Feb 9 10:28:41 2001 From: sungo at qx.net (Matt Cashner) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:00 2004 Subject: LPM: Monday In-Reply-To: <20010209082934.B18229@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, Frank Price wrote: > I can and still will talk about Sys::Syslog. But it probably doesn't > have the general interest and overall pizzazz of whatever you will > say, Matt. (;-) bah, i was thinking of prattling about MakeMaker or something along those lines. > Just give me the word... why dont you take this month? this weekend is likely to be too busy for me to think much about a talk anyway... m. From rbowen at rcbowen.com Fri Feb 9 10:10:58 2001 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:00 2004 Subject: LPM: Monday References: <3A8373F7.C03B3D4E@rcbowen.com> <20010209082934.B18229@localhost.localdomain> <3A8403BA.1010200@ket.org> Message-ID: <3A841692.D0339288@rcbowen.com> Gregg Casillo wrote: > > I agree with Frank, getting some sunlight would be nice. I'd like to > meet over lunch. I find myself compelled to get out of the office > between noon and 2:00 each day anyways, whereas I seem to be in a groove > working around 5-6pm. Where would we meet if we did so over lunch? A > restaurant of choice I presume? My personal vote is a Thursday or Friday lunch, Joseph Beth. If we book far enough in advance (usually 2 months) we can get the private room. There is a $50 minimum, so we'd need a guarantee of at least 5 or 6 people in order to not be stuck with a charge over our food order. -- Rich Bowen Come see me at Apachecon! -- http://www.apachecon.com/ From fprice at upended.org Fri Feb 9 16:36:29 2001 From: fprice at upended.org (Frank Price) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:00 2004 Subject: LPM: Monday In-Reply-To: ; from sungo@qx.net on Fri, Feb 09, 2001 at 11:28:41AM -0500 References: <20010209082934.B18229@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20010209173629.A18720@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, Feb 09, 2001 at 11:28:41AM -0500, Matt Cashner wrote: > On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, Frank Price wrote: > > > I can and still will talk about Sys::Syslog. But it probably doesn't > > have the general interest and overall pizzazz of whatever you will > > say, Matt. (;-) > > bah, i was thinking of prattling about MakeMaker or something along those > lines. > > > Just give me the word... > > why dont you take this month? this weekend is likely to be too busy for me > to think much about a talk anyway... OK, that's fine with me. Put me down, Rich. (Don't parse that as "insult me, Rich" :-) -Frank. -- Frank Price | fprice@upended.org | www.upended.org/fprice/ GPG key: www.upended.org/fprice/gpg.asc | E Pluribus Unix From ken.rietz at asbury.edu Fri Feb 9 21:56:22 2001 From: ken.rietz at asbury.edu (ken.rietz@asbury.edu) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:00 2004 Subject: LPM: Monday Message-ID: <23CBF54C1C42D411B2CA0004ACB8555F117D0B@MOSES> > > I agree with Frank, getting some sunlight would be nice. I'd like to > > meet over lunch. I find myself compelled to get out of the office > > between noon and 2:00 each day anyways, whereas I seem to > be in a groove > > working around 5-6pm. Where would we meet if we did so over lunch? A > > restaurant of choice I presume? > > My personal vote is a Thursday or Friday lunch, Joseph Beth. > If we book > far enough in advance (usually 2 months) we can get the private room. > There is a $50 minimum, so we'd need a guarantee of at least 5 or 6 > people in order to not be stuck with a charge over our food order. Any lunch time at all wipes me out (classes at 12 and 1 MWF and 12:45 TR), until the end of the semester (May). After that, The Notoriously Grumpy Boss gets the say, so it would probably be okay for me after that. -- Ken Rietz From rbowen at rcbowen.com Sat Feb 10 13:24:32 2001 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:00 2004 Subject: LPM: Monday References: <20010209082934.B18229@localhost.localdomain> <20010209173629.A18720@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3A859570.54D52982@rcbowen.com> To summarize: Monday evening, February 12, 6pm, we will be meeting in the Whitehall Classroom Building, University of Kentucky. Frank Price will talking about Log::Syslog (or is that Sys::Syslog?). The location is not particularly condusive to ordering food, so there are a few options. Eat before you come. Bring a packed lunch. Or go somewhere to eat after. Without the food aspect, the meetings tend to last not more than 1 hour, so you can still get home for a late dinner. I'll update the web site. -- Rich Bowen Come see me at Apachecon! -- http://www.apachecon.com/ From janine at emazing.com Sun Feb 11 08:14:02 2001 From: janine at emazing.com (Janine) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:00 2004 Subject: LPM: Rescheduling In-Reply-To: <3A837C83.55EF7EE2@rcbowen.com> Message-ID: > > lunch works for me, if the boss says its all right. :P I'd have to take a half-day off of work to make a meeting at lunchtime, and I'd rather not do that. Any way we could stay in the after 6pm time slot? Thanks, Janine From rbowen at rcbowen.com Sun Feb 11 09:22:31 2001 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:00 2004 Subject: LPM: Re: Meeting time Message-ID: <3A86AE37.C80E7039@rcbowen.com> ... Non-member submission from ["Janine Ladick" ... Reply-To: From: "Janine Ladick" To: Subject: RE: Rescheduling Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 09:13:34 -0500 If the meetings move to another night, I can make it. Mondays are my "Intro to Programming Class", hee hee! Dave teaches on Tuesday and Thursday nights. What about Wednesday? Janine > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lexington-pm-list@pm.org > [mailto:owner-lexington-pm-list@pm.org]On Behalf Of Rich Bowen > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 11:38 PM > To: Lexington Perl Mongers > Subject: LPM: Rescheduling > > > Another issue that never got really settled. Is anyone interested in > proposing an alternate time for meetings, so that we can have more than > 4 or 5 in attendance? From rbowen at rcbowen.com Sun Feb 11 09:30:36 2001 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:00 2004 Subject: LPM: Rescheduling References: Message-ID: <3A86B01C.7964A22A@rcbowen.com> Janine wrote: > > > > lunch works for me, if the boss says its all right. :P > > I'd have to take a half-day off of work to make a meeting at lunchtime, and > I'd rather not do that. Any way we could stay in the after 6pm time slot? The main issue seems to be that people are not coming to meetings. Now, last month, we had a decent turnout, but only when compared to the few months before that. When we first started LPM, there were regularly 10+ people in attendance. Now we think it's a great turnout if we have 5. Perhaps time and location are not the issue. Perhaps we simply aren't providing any useful purpose to those folks that are not coming. However, when I talk to various people about it more than 3/4 of the time people say that they would love to come, but just can't make it in the time that has been chosen. I'll be there pretty much whereever and whenever we have meetings. I think it's valuable, even in the months when there is not really a scheduled talk. And I will make sure that anyone that works for me is able to go o meetings, if we end up having them during work hours. So from my perspective, I'm just as happy to leave it where it is. I'm trying to make it possible a larger number of people to come. If moving it is not going to accomplish that, then there's no point. SO, on that note, I second the motion that we move to a Wednesday night, so that Janine and Dave can come. Will this make it less convenient for anyone else? Is there anyone else that will be able to make it if we make this move? -- Rich Bowen Come see me at Apachecon! -- http://www.apachecon.com/ From wsheldahl at qx.net Sun Feb 11 12:28:09 2001 From: wsheldahl at qx.net (Wesley Sheldahl) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:00 2004 Subject: LPM: Rescheduling In-Reply-To: <3A86B01C.7964A22A@rcbowen.com>; from rbowen@rcbowen.com on Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 10:30:36 -0500 References: <3A86B01C.7964A22A@rcbowen.com> Message-ID: <20010211132809.A4309@fred.qx.net> I would prefer about any evening during the week except Wednesday. Monday suits me fine, as is. Honest. On 2001.02.11 10:30 Rich Bowen wrote: > Janine wrote: > > > > > > lunch works for me, if the boss says its all right. :P > > > > I'd have to take a half-day off of work to make a meeting at lunchtime, > and > > I'd rather not do that. Any way we could stay in the after 6pm time > slot? > > The main issue seems to be that people are not coming to meetings. Now, > last month, we had a decent turnout, but only when compared to the few > months before that. When we first started LPM, there were regularly 10+ > people in attendance. Now we think it's a great turnout if we have 5. > > Perhaps time and location are not the issue. Perhaps we simply aren't > providing any useful purpose to those folks that are not coming. > However, when I talk to various people about it more than 3/4 of the > time people say that they would love to come, but just can't make it in > the time that has been chosen. > > I'll be there pretty much whereever and whenever we have meetings. I > think it's valuable, even in the months when there is not really a > scheduled talk. And I will make sure that anyone that works for me is > able to go o meetings, if we end up having them during work hours. So > from my perspective, I'm just as happy to leave it where it is. I'm > trying to make it possible a larger number of people to come. If moving > it is not going to accomplish that, then there's no point. > > SO, on that note, I second the motion that we move to a Wednesday night, > so that Janine and Dave can come. Will this make it less convenient for > anyone else? Is there anyone else that will be able to make it if we > make this move? > > -- > Rich Bowen > Come see me at Apachecon! -- http://www.apachecon.com/ > -- Wes Sheldahl wsheldahl@qx.net From sungo at qx.net Sun Feb 11 12:53:40 2001 From: sungo at qx.net (Matt Cashner) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: Rescheduling In-Reply-To: <3A86B01C.7964A22A@rcbowen.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 11 Feb 2001, Rich Bowen wrote: > SO, on that note, I second the motion that we move to a Wednesday night, > so that Janine and Dave can come. Will this make it less convenient for > anyone else? Is there anyone else that will be able to make it if we > make this move? wednesday nights are bad for me as well. i have church in the evenings on wednesday. m. From ken.rietz at asbury.edu Sun Feb 11 13:43:04 2001 From: ken.rietz at asbury.edu (ken.rietz@asbury.edu) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: Rescheduling Message-ID: <23CBF54C1C42D411B2CA0004ACB8555F117D0D@MOSES> > SO, on that note, I second the motion that we move to a > Wednesday night, > so that Janine and Dave can come. Will this make it less > convenient for > anyone else? Is there anyone else that will be able to make it if we > make this move? I should be able to make it, as long as it ends before 9 pm. -- Ken From fprice at upended.org Mon Feb 12 11:41:26 2001 From: fprice at upended.org (Frank Price) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: Rescheduling In-Reply-To: <3A86B01C.7964A22A@rcbowen.com>; from rbowen@rcbowen.com on Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 10:30:36AM -0500 References: <3A86B01C.7964A22A@rcbowen.com> Message-ID: <20010212124126.A26253@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 10:30:36AM -0500, Rich Bowen wrote: > > SO, on that note, I second the motion that we move to a Wednesday night, > so that Janine and Dave can come. Will this make it less convenient for > anyone else? Is there anyone else that will be able to make it if we > make this move? I often have soccer games on Wed. night, sometimes at 6pm. But I'm just one guy ... Although we'll probably never find a slot that satisfies everyone, often for me Mondays are tough because things have "crept up" over the weekend and I have to work late. Or I just forget over the weekend. Maybe an automated reminder email sent about four days before would be helpful? -Frank. -- Frank Price | fprice@upended.org | www.upended.org/fprice/ GPG key: www.upended.org/fprice/gpg.asc | E Pluribus Unix From fprice at upended.org Mon Feb 12 11:43:06 2001 From: fprice at upended.org (Frank Price) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: Monday In-Reply-To: <3A859570.54D52982@rcbowen.com>; from rbowen@rcbowen.com on Sat, Feb 10, 2001 at 02:24:32PM -0500 References: <20010209082934.B18229@localhost.localdomain> <20010209173629.A18720@localhost.localdomain> <3A859570.54D52982@rcbowen.com> Message-ID: <20010212124306.B26253@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, Feb 10, 2001 at 02:24:32PM -0500, Rich Bowen wrote: > To summarize: > > Monday evening, February 12, 6pm, we will be meeting in the Whitehall > Classroom Building, University of Kentucky. Frank Price will talking > about Log::Syslog (or is that Sys::Syslog?). It's Sys::Syslog! Could you or someone else post directions to Whitehall? I need something on the order of "go south on Limestone and turn left onto Alumni, then ..." because I've barely set foot on UKs campus (heresy, I'm sure :-) Thanks, -Frank. -- Frank Price | fprice@upended.org | www.upended.org/fprice/ GPG key: www.upended.org/fprice/gpg.asc | E Pluribus Unix From janine at emazing.com Mon Feb 12 13:14:17 2001 From: janine at emazing.com (Janine) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: Rescheduling In-Reply-To: <23CBF54C1C42D411B2CA0004ACB8555F117D0D@MOSES> Message-ID: What about Friday nights? I'd like a legitimate reason to start my weekends early. :-) Janine > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lexington-pm-list@pm.org > [mailto:owner-lexington-pm-list@pm.org]On Behalf Of ken.rietz@asbury.edu > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 2:43 PM > To: lexington-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org > Subject: RE: LPM: Rescheduling > > > > > SO, on that note, I second the motion that we move to a > > Wednesday night, > > so that Janine and Dave can come. Will this make it less > > convenient for > > anyone else? Is there anyone else that will be able to make it if we > > make this move? > > I should be able to make it, as long as it ends before 9 pm. > > -- Ken > > From wsheldahl at qx.net Mon Feb 12 13:28:38 2001 From: wsheldahl at qx.net (Wesley Sheldahl) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: Monday In-Reply-To: <20010212124306.B26253@localhost.localdomain>; from fprice@upended.org on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 12:43:06 -0500 References: <20010209082934.B18229@localhost.localdomain> <20010209173629.A18720@localhost.localdomain> <3A859570.54D52982@rcbowen.com> <20010212124306.B26253@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20010212142838.A8775@fred.qx.net> I think I found Whitehall once, though I arrived late and forgot the room number. Here's my possibly flawed directions: Go south on Limestone. Shortly after you go past Virgina Ave., you should see the "semicirle" on the right, complete with guardhouse. Turn in to the semicircle and park there. From the top ("apex"?) of the semicircle, walk past the first row of buildings and bear a little to the right. Continue wandering until you see a three-story squarish looking concrete building labeled "Whitehall". It has sidewalks going pretty much all the way around it. Inside there's a huge broad staircase at each of the four corners. I believe we meet in room 208. PLEASE CORRECT me if I'm wrong. Based on my own experience at UK, if you can't park on the semicircle, pull back onto Limestone and drive in ever-widening concentric circles around the area until you find a parking spot that is both available and potentially legal. (Someone once suggested the UK Bookstore parking lot, which is right around the corner on the Avenue of Champions/Euclid, but I'm not convinced they don't require UK permits.) Hope we both find it! On 2001.02.12 12:43 Frank Price wrote: > On Sat, Feb 10, 2001 at 02:24:32PM -0500, Rich Bowen wrote: > > To summarize: > > > > Monday evening, February 12, 6pm, we will be meeting in the Whitehall > > Classroom Building, University of Kentucky. Frank Price will talking > > about Log::Syslog (or is that Sys::Syslog?). > > It's Sys::Syslog! > > Could you or someone else post directions to Whitehall? I need > something on the order of "go south on Limestone and turn left onto > Alumni, then ..." because I've barely set foot on UKs campus (heresy, > I'm sure :-) > > Thanks, > > -Frank. > -- > Frank Price | fprice@upended.org | www.upended.org/fprice/ > GPG key: www.upended.org/fprice/gpg.asc | E Pluribus Unix > > -- Wes Sheldahl wsheldahl@qx.net From hempy at ket.org Mon Feb 12 13:20:28 2001 From: hempy at ket.org (David Hempy) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: Meetings and attendance In-Reply-To: <3A86B01C.7964A22A@rcbowen.com> References: Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20010212140557.039a3d28@mail.ket.org> At 10:30 AM 2/11/2001 -0500, you wrote: >The main issue seems to be that people are not coming to meetings. Now, >last month, we had a decent turnout, but only when compared to the few >months before that. When we first started LPM, there were regularly 10+ >people in attendance. Now we think it's a great turnout if we have 5. Monday nights work as well for me as Wednesday nights and lunch almost any day. Jo-Beth sounds like fun. I like the idea of a restaurant meeting. >Perhaps time and location are not the issue. Perhaps we simply aren't >providing any useful purpose to those folks that are not coming. Now that you mention it... I could make more meetings than I do, but don't feel real compelled a lot of the time. The meetings I do go to I always get something out of. However, that something might be hearing news about Larry or Nat's latest observations or some Perl community gossip. Interesting stuff, but not worth a few hours of my month. The meetings when I learn to be a better perl programmer are the ones that keep me coming back. I will continue to attend meetings that are likely to benefit me as a programmer. I don't want to sound like a whiney-heimer, as we're all volunteers and I admit I haven't contributed to the group's collective education. I just feel that some (certainly not all) of the meetings that I've gotten to in the last year are more for perl junkies more than perl programmers. That's fine, but not what I'm looking for. Okay...hope I haven't pissed anyone off. Just offering why my perspective for anyone who is concerned about attendance numbers. -dave -- David Hempy Internet Database Administrator Kentucky Educational Television -- (859)258-7164 -- (800)333-9764 From sungo at qx.net Mon Feb 12 13:36:51 2001 From: sungo at qx.net (Matt Cashner) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: Meetings and attendance In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20010212140557.039a3d28@mail.ket.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, David Hempy wrote: > The meetings when I learn to be a better perl programmer are the ones that > keep me coming back. I will continue to attend meetings that are likely to > benefit me as a programmer. topic examples? > meetings that I've gotten to in the last year are more for perl junkies > more than perl programmers. theres a difference? :P m. From fireston at lexmark.com Mon Feb 12 13:49:07 2001 From: fireston at lexmark.com (Mik Firestone) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: Meetings and attendance In-Reply-To: ; from sungo%qx.net@interlock.lexmark.com on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 02:36:51PM -0500 References: <5.0.0.25.0.20010212140557.039a3d28@mail.ket.org> Message-ID: <200102121949.OAA05783@interlock2.lexmark.com> To speak when I haven't been heard for so long..... I would like to give a few talks - I have done some neat stuff with SNMP, some interesting uses of fork() and a few other topics that come up on perlmonks frequently. My problem is that I frankly haven't a lot of time to put the talks together and that evening meetings are difficult for me to attend for a lot of reasons, but mostly I am tired when I get done working and I really just want to collapse at home and get ready for the next day. I will also point out, having been a member of this list for a while, that this conversation on scheduling is ( I think, I would really have to look over my email logs ) a bi-annual event. We discover that there is no perfect time, no perfect place and no perfect day. I, personally, would still prefer lunch meetings and Jo-Beths is a great place to do it. I understand this is difficult for our more outlying members. What if we decided on a late lunch on Fridays, say around 1:30 - 3:00 ( or whatever )? Janine and the others from farther out would have a great excuse to start their weekends early, as would many of us closer in. Mik On 14:36, 02/12/01, Matt Cashner said: > On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, David Hempy wrote: > > > The meetings when I learn to be a better perl programmer are the ones that > > keep me coming back. I will continue to attend meetings that are likely to > > benefit me as a programmer. > > topic examples? > > > meetings that I've gotten to in the last year are more for perl junkies > > more than perl programmers. > > theres a difference? :P > > m. > -- Mik Firestone fireston@lexmark.com Pinky, are you pondering what I am pondering? I think so Brain, but I get all clammy inside the tent. From dpitts at mk.net Mon Feb 12 13:49:31 2001 From: dpitts at mk.net (David Pitts) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: Rescheduling References: Message-ID: <00a301c0952c$eb1cb280$7801a8c0@adverb.com> Friday night would ensure that I never come. Thanks, David Pitts http://www.dpitts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janine" To: Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 2:14 PM Subject: RE: LPM: Rescheduling > What about Friday nights? I'd like a legitimate reason to start my weekends early. :-) > > Janine > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-lexington-pm-list@pm.org > > [mailto:owner-lexington-pm-list@pm.org]On Behalf Of ken.rietz@asbury.edu > > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 2:43 PM > > To: lexington-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org > > Subject: RE: LPM: Rescheduling > > > > > > > > > SO, on that note, I second the motion that we move to a > > > Wednesday night, > > > so that Janine and Dave can come. Will this make it less > > > convenient for > > > anyone else? Is there anyone else that will be able to make it if we > > > make this move? > > > > I should be able to make it, as long as it ends before 9 pm. > > > > -- Ken > > > > > From dpitts at mk.net Mon Feb 12 13:55:58 2001 From: dpitts at mk.net (David Pitts) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: Meetings and attendance References: Message-ID: <00c301c0952d$d195db60$7801a8c0@adverb.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Cashner" > On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, David Hempy wrote: > > > The meetings when I learn to be a better perl programmer are the ones that > > keep me coming back. I will continue to attend meetings that are likely to > > benefit me as a programmer. > > topic examples? At one point we discussed going through some different modules. I still think this is a good idea (and I didn't even come up with it). Also, I would like to see what other people are doing. Several people in the group are good programmers. Others, like myself, are good hacks. I would like to see some good programs - what makes them good, etc. Another idea, is to look at object orientation again... I'm just starting to get a grip on it, and would find it a worthy endeavor. A discussion of mod_perl would be good too. Okay, just a few ideas off the top of my head... > > > meetings that I've gotten to in the last year are more for perl junkies > > more than perl programmers. > > theres a difference? :P > Yes, I would place myself in both categories :) Thanks, David Pitts http://www.dpitts.com From dpitts at mk.net Mon Feb 12 13:58:15 2001 From: dpitts at mk.net (David Pitts) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: Meetings and attendance References: <5.0.0.25.0.20010212140557.039a3d28@mail.ket.org> <200102121949.OAA05783@interlock2.lexmark.com> Message-ID: <00ca01c0952e$23448060$7801a8c0@adverb.com> What if we moved to a 2 meeting a month scenerio? We could have one lunch meeting - Joseph Beth's Cafe on Friday at 12:30; and one night meeting - UK Whitehall Monday night 6:30 p.m. or not.... Thanks, David Pitts http://www.dpitts.com From hempy at ket.org Mon Feb 12 13:40:53 2001 From: hempy at ket.org (David Hempy) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: Monday In-Reply-To: <20010212142838.A8775@fred.qx.net> References: <20010212124306.B26253@localhost.localdomain> <20010209082934.B18229@localhost.localdomain> <20010209173629.A18720@localhost.localdomain> <3A859570.54D52982@rcbowen.com> <20010212124306.B26253@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20010212143644.020b0888@mail.ket.org> At 02:28 PM 2/12/2001 -0500, you wrote: >I think I found Whitehall once, though I arrived late and forgot the room >number. Here's my possibly flawed directions: > >Go south on Limestone. Shortly after you go past Virgina Ave., you should >see the "semicirle" on the right, complete with guardhouse. If coming from south Lexington (ie. toward downtown on Nicholasville Rd.) you will be travelling north. If coming from downtown, you will go south on Upper St (or is it Mill St?) and turn left onto the circle when the road becomes two-way near Arby's. >Turn in to the >semicircle and park there. You'll have to convince the guard that you're going to a meeting. Hope they're in a good mood. > From the top ("apex"?) of the semicircle, walk >past the first row of buildings and bear a little to the right. Continue >wandering until you see a three-story squarish looking concrete building >labeled "Whitehall". It has sidewalks going pretty much all the way around >it. Inside there's a huge broad staircase at each of the four corners. I >believe we meet in room 208. PLEASE CORRECT me if I'm wrong. Whitehall is the building connected to the 18-story Patterson Office Tower visible from much of Lexington. >Based on my own experience at UK, if you can't park on the semicircle, pull >back onto Limestone and drive in ever-widening concentric circles around >the area until you find a parking spot that is both available and >potentially legal. (Someone once suggested the UK Bookstore parking lot, >which is right around the corner on the Avenue of Champions/Euclid, but I'm >not convinced they don't require UK permits.) > >Hope we both find it! -d -- David Hempy Internet Database Administrator Kentucky Educational Television -- (859)258-7164 -- (800)333-9764 From janine at emazing.com Mon Feb 12 14:47:17 2001 From: janine at emazing.com (Janine) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: Meetings and attendance In-Reply-To: <00c301c0952d$d195db60$7801a8c0@adverb.com> Message-ID: > At one point we discussed going through some different modules. I still > think this is a good idea (and I didn't even come up with it). Also, I > would like to see what other people are doing. Several people in the group > are good programmers. Others, like myself, are good hacks. I would like to > see some good programs - what makes them good, etc. Another idea, is to > look at object orientation again... I'm just starting to get a grip on it, > and would find it a worthy endeavor. A discussion of mod_perl would be good > too. Ditto on object orientation and mod_perl - I'd find both interesting. I'd also like going over a "good" program. I haven't written any of those in a while. ;-) Janine From janine at emazing.com Mon Feb 12 14:49:26 2001 From: janine at emazing.com (Janine) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: Rescheduling In-Reply-To: <00a301c0952c$eb1cb280$7801a8c0@adverb.com> Message-ID: Hmmm... (just kidding!) Janine > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lexington-pm-list@pm.org > [mailto:owner-lexington-pm-list@pm.org]On Behalf Of David Pitts > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 2:50 PM > To: lexington-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org > Subject: Re: LPM: Rescheduling > > > Friday night would ensure that I never come. > > Thanks, > > David Pitts > http://www.dpitts.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janine" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 2:14 PM > Subject: RE: LPM: Rescheduling > > > > What about Friday nights? I'd like a legitimate reason to start my > weekends early. :-) > > > > Janine > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-lexington-pm-list@pm.org > > > [mailto:owner-lexington-pm-list@pm.org]On Behalf Of ken.rietz@asbury.edu > > > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 2:43 PM > > > To: lexington-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org > > > Subject: RE: LPM: Rescheduling > > > > > > > > > > > > > SO, on that note, I second the motion that we move to a > > > > Wednesday night, > > > > so that Janine and Dave can come. Will this make it less > > > > convenient for > > > > anyone else? Is there anyone else that will be able to make it if we > > > > make this move? > > > > > > I should be able to make it, as long as it ends before 9 pm. > > > > > > -- Ken > > > > > > > > > > > From janine at emazing.com Mon Feb 12 15:10:24 2001 From: janine at emazing.com (Janine) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: Meetings and attendance In-Reply-To: <200102121949.OAA05783@interlock2.lexmark.com> Message-ID: > I would like to give a few talks - I have done some neat stuff with SNMP, some > interesting uses of fork() and a few other topics that come up on perlmonks > frequently. My problem is that I frankly haven't a lot of time to put the > talks together and that evening meetings are difficult for me to attend for a > lot of reasons, but mostly I am tired when I get done working and I really > just want to collapse at home and get ready for the next day. I think everyone's in the same situation. Back before I starting writing Perl code for living, I had much more enthusiasm for reading over a module or doing whatever prep work it took to be a good listener at a meeting. But now it's hard to feel motivated to do even that. I can imagine how tough it must be for those of you who do the talking. Perhaps we need to make the talks more casual so that they require less preparation. Comments? > What if we decided on a late lunch > on Fridays, say around 1:30 - 3:00 ( or whatever )? Janine and the others > from farther out would have a great excuse to start their weekends early, as > would many of us closer in. Yay! That's a great idea. Janine From ken.rietz at asbury.edu Mon Feb 12 15:52:48 2001 From: ken.rietz at asbury.edu (ken.rietz@asbury.edu) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: Meetings and attendance Message-ID: <23CBF54C1C42D411B2CA0004ACB8555F117D0E@MOSES> > What if we moved to a 2 meeting a month scenerio? We could > have one lunch > meeting - Joseph Beth's Cafe on Friday at 12:30; and one > night meeting - UK > Whitehall Monday night 6:30 p.m. > > or not.... If we can't get enough people with one meeting a month, I have a hard time thinking we will get more with two meetings a month. -- Ken From dpitts at mk.net Mon Feb 12 15:41:51 2001 From: dpitts at mk.net (David Pitts) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: Meetings and attendance References: Message-ID: <012f01c0953c$b057e2e0$7801a8c0@adverb.com> From: "Janine" > > What if we decided on a late lunch > > on Fridays, say around 1:30 - 3:00 ( or whatever )? Janine and the others > > from farther out would have a great excuse to start their weekends early, as > > would many of us closer in. > > Yay! That's a great idea. > Is this last comment sarcasm or do you really think it a good idea?? David From janine at emazing.com Mon Feb 12 15:56:47 2001 From: janine at emazing.com (Janine) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: Meetings and attendance In-Reply-To: <012f01c0953c$b057e2e0$7801a8c0@adverb.com> Message-ID: There are two things a woman should never fake. One of them is a "Yay!" I am whole-heartedly in favor of leaving work at 11:30am one Friday each month to eat lunch at my favorite bookstore and learn more about Perl. :-) Janine > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lexington-pm-list@pm.org > [mailto:owner-lexington-pm-list@pm.org]On Behalf Of David Pitts > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 4:42 PM > To: lexington-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org > Subject: Re: LPM: Meetings and attendance > > > From: "Janine" > > > What if we decided on a late lunch > > > on Fridays, say around 1:30 - 3:00 ( or whatever )? Janine and the > others > > > from farther out would have a great excuse to start their weekends > early, as > > > would many of us closer in. > > > > Yay! That's a great idea. > > > > Is this last comment sarcasm or do you really think it a good idea?? > > David > > > From rbowen at rcbowen.com Mon Feb 12 12:28:24 2001 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: Monday References: <20010209082934.B18229@localhost.localdomain> <20010209173629.A18720@localhost.localdomain> <3A859570.54D52982@rcbowen.com> <20010212124306.B26253@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3A882B48.C45DDB3D@rcbowen.com> Frank Price wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 10, 2001 at 02:24:32PM -0500, Rich Bowen wrote: > > To summarize: > > > > Monday evening, February 12, 6pm, we will be meeting in the Whitehall > > Classroom Building, University of Kentucky. Frank Price will talking > > about Log::Syslog (or is that Sys::Syslog?). > > It's Sys::Syslog! > > Could you or someone else post directions to Whitehall? I need > something on the order of "go south on Limestone and turn left onto > Alumni, then ..." because I've barely set foot on UKs campus (heresy, > I'm sure :-) Go south on Limestone and turn left onto Alumni. Then turn around, and head back to Limestone. Curse a little about bad direstions. Go North on Limestone. Go left at the fork (at the UK hospital, where that ghastly new edifice is being put up.) Go along the side of campus until you see the semicircle and guard house on the right. Go in there. Tell the person at the gate that you are there for a technical meeting. Attempts to explain further will be met with a Blank Stare (tm). They will tell you where to park, which will hopefully be there on the circle. Get out of your car. Walk past the tall ugly building (Patterson Office Tower), to the squat ugly building (Whitehall Classroom Building). Go in the doors closest to you. That side is the side of the building you want. Go up to the 2nd floor, and about half way down that hall, on your left, is 206. Go in there. Loudly announce your presence. "Hi, I'm Frank, and I'm a Perl Monger." -- Rich Bowen Come see me at Apachecon! -- http://www.apachecon.com/ From theuiguy at yahoo.com Mon Feb 12 16:57:03 2001 From: theuiguy at yahoo.com (Tim Powell) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: Rescheduling In-Reply-To: <3A86B01C.7964A22A@rcbowen.com> Message-ID: <20010212225703.4810.qmail@web613.mail.yahoo.com> --- Rich Bowen wrote: > Janine wrote: > > > > > > lunch works for me, if the boss says its all right. :P > > > > I'd have to take a half-day off of work to make a meeting at lunchtime, > and > > I'd rather not do that. Any way we could stay in the after 6pm time > slot? > Perhaps time and location are not the issue. Perhaps we simply aren't > providing any useful purpose to those folks that are not coming. > However, when I talk to various people about it more than 3/4 of the > time people say that they would love to come, but just can't make it in > the time that has been chosen. Count me in that 3/4 group. > SO, on that note, I second the motion that we move to a Wednesday night, > so that Janine and Dave can come. Will this make it less convenient for > anyone else? Is there anyone else that will be able to make it if we > make this move? Lunch meetings are way better for me. I like the suggested Friday lunch at Josephbeth. I liked it when we met there in the past. Wednesday nights are completely out for me. Tim User Interaction Designer Lotus Sametime __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From rbowen at rcbowen.com Mon Feb 12 21:28:24 2001 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: Rescheduling References: <20010212225703.4810.qmail@web613.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3A88A9D8.27C766D3@rcbowen.com> Based on the bulk of comments, and the fact that we did in fact have more people in attendance when we had meetings at lunch, it seems that moving this to Friday lunch seems like a Good Move. Yes, we lose some people, but it seems that we gain more than we lose. Now, as I mentioned before, JoBeth is hard to get if you don't sign up well in advance, particularly for a Friday lunch. I'll call in the morning and see if I can get it, but if I can't we need to come up with an alternate location for March. Olive Garden worked pretty well when we did it there once, so I'd suggest that. Sorry for the folks that this move excludes. I hope you can forgive us. And if Mik is right, we'll have this argument again in about 6 months, and you can bring it up then. -- Rich Bowen Come see me at Apachecon! -- http://www.apachecon.com/ From rbowen at rcbowen.com Mon Feb 12 21:31:41 2001 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: tonight's meeting Message-ID: <3A88AA9D.997A243E@rcbowen.com> We had a good meeting tonight. Thanks, Frank, for the good talk. Some things were brought up tonight that are worth passing along. We talked about how neat it would be if we (Lexington Perl Mongers) were to develop and release a module together. I'm not sure what that module would do, but I'm working on some modules myself, as are some other folks, and it would be rather cool if we could make this a team project of some kind. We also talked about how with so many of the CPAN modules, the docs really suck, and it is a nice thing to submit documentation patches. It was suggested that perhaps the next time one of us encounters a CPAN module that is really well done, but has really sucky documentation, that this be mentioned on the list, and perhaps we could come up with patches for these docs as a group, and so help out the community. Just some thoughts. Let me know what you think. -- Rich Bowen Come see me at Apachecon! -- http://www.apachecon.com/ From janine at emazing.com Mon Feb 12 21:41:17 2001 From: janine at emazing.com (Janine) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: RE: tonight's meeting In-Reply-To: <3A88AA9D.997A243E@rcbowen.com> Message-ID: > We also talked about how with so many of the CPAN modules, the docs > really suck, and it is a nice thing to submit documentation patches. It > was suggested that perhaps the next time one of us encounters a CPAN > module that is really well done, but has really sucky documentation, > that this be mentioned on the list, and perhaps we could come up with > patches for these docs as a group, and so help out the community. This is a great idea. Module docs really do suck. Whoever thought of this should get a prize. :-) Janine From janine at emazing.com Mon Feb 12 21:45:54 2001 From: janine at emazing.com (Janine) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: Rescheduling In-Reply-To: <3A88A9D8.27C766D3@rcbowen.com> Message-ID: > it seems that > moving this to Friday lunch seems like a Good Move. Yay! (not faking) Janine From fprice at upended.org Tue Feb 13 07:47:21 2001 From: fprice at upended.org (Frank Price) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: Programs [was LPM: Meetings and attendance] In-Reply-To: <00c301c0952d$d195db60$7801a8c0@adverb.com>; from dpitts@mk.net on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 02:55:58PM -0500 References: <00c301c0952d$d195db60$7801a8c0@adverb.com> Message-ID: <20010213084721.B27318@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 02:55:58PM -0500, David Pitts wrote: > Also, I would like to see what other people are doing. Several > people in the group are good programmers. Others, like myself, are > good hacks. I would like to see some good programs - what makes > them good, etc. Actually, I think this would be nice to stimulate list discussion. How about folks say a couple paragraphs about a program they're working on, or have done in the past that is useful or neat? We could post descriptions and links (maybe even programs) on the lexington.pm page. And if there's interest they could develop into talks. I'll go first, and I'd like to hear about other projects too! ------- A while back I switched to using Mutt as my mailer, and a combination of fetchmail and procmail to suck mail down from my ISP and stick it into different folders (inbox, lexpm, uklug, etc.). There are quite a few folders and I wanted something to show me how many unread messages were in each folder since Mutt doesn't do that very well. I wrote a Perl program (called miff, for Mutt biff) that parses through your .muttrc config file to find out what mailboxes Mutt knows about. It then reads through the headers of each piece of mail to count how many are unread, does some formatting, and displays the total in an xterm. Some of the interesting things I had to deal with were: - Parsing the config file. I had to look for keywords, deal with continuation lines, and deal with recursive config files (Mutt lets you "source" other config files in the main config file). - Going through the email headers. - Saving and resetting the access time on each folder so as not to confuse Mutt. - Doing a very small bit of terminal manipulation to highlight folder with unread mail. It was pretty interesting to do and useful to me and a few other people. A more complete description and source can be found at http://www.upended.org/miff/ -Frank. -- Frank Price | fprice@upended.org | www.upended.org/fprice/ GPG key: www.upended.org/fprice/gpg.asc | E Pluribus Unix From hempy at ket.org Tue Feb 13 11:05:43 2001 From: hempy at ket.org (David Hempy) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: Programs [was LPM: Meetings and attendance] In-Reply-To: <20010213084721.B27318@localhost.localdomain> References: <00c301c0952d$d195db60$7801a8c0@adverb.com> <00c301c0952d$d195db60$7801a8c0@adverb.com> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20010213114450.03c3a008@mail.ket.org> At 08:47 AM 2/13/2001 -0500, you wrote: >On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 02:55:58PM -0500, David Pitts wrote: > > > Also, I would like to see what other people are doing. Several > > people in the group are good programmers. Others, like myself, are > > good hacks. I would like to see some good programs - what makes > > them good, etc. > >Actually, I think this would be nice to stimulate list discussion. >How about folks say a couple paragraphs about a program they're >working on, or have done in the past that is useful or neat? We could >post descriptions and links (maybe even programs) on the lexington.pm >page. And if there's interest they could develop into talks. I'm game! :-) I've got a suite of programs that generate http://www.ket.org/pressroom. In overview, the pressroom allows content providers to drop press releases (as .RTF files) and images into an Inbox directory. The system publishes all these files to a Public directory in several formats and fully indexes them. The primary consumer of this information is media outlets, such as newspapers. Publishing includes: o Locating releases and images due for publishing. o Parsing out as much info from the release as possible. o Ask the user to provide any info that could not be parsed. (airtimes, etc) o Inserting that info about each release and image into a database. o Converting the rtf into html. o Resize each image into a range of sizes and file formats. o Filling out several templates with the html and image information. o Reformat the .RTF file and publish to the Public directory. o Create the front page with upcoming releases. o Create an archival index by week. (Look under "Search") If anyone wants to hear more about it, I'd be happy to talk about it online or at a meeting. I'm sure you guys will offer ways of doing things that I'll slap myself for not thinking of. I'm always eager to find better ways of doing future projects. I'm eager to hear what others are doing in perl. -dave -- David Hempy Internet Database Administrator Kentucky Educational Television -- (859)258-7164 -- (800)333-9764 From janine at emazing.com Tue Feb 13 12:33:08 2001 From: janine at emazing.com (Janine) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: Programs [was LPM: Meetings and attendance] In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20010213114450.03c3a008@mail.ket.org> Message-ID: > >Actually, I think this would be nice to stimulate list discussion. > >How about folks say a couple paragraphs about a program they're > >working on, or have done in the past that is useful or neat? We could > >post descriptions and links (maybe even programs) on the lexington.pm > >page. And if there's interest they could develop into talks. http://grapevine.emazing.com EMAZING has about 12 million active subscribers and we send around 25 million email messages a day. I work on the Grapevine product, which is responsible for only a small part of that volume. It's my primary project, but as a junior programmer most of my tasks involve maintenance and bug smooshing. Grapevine is email chat. (Think "pretty mailing lists" that have no moderators and are completely anonymous.) Grapevine has three major components: the web interface, the mail delivery system, and the database. I focus on the web interface, which is just a way for people to see what the 'Vines are all about and sign up for ones they like. (I have already complained about the weird graphic of the whispering grapes on the homepage. My boss said that the grape on the right looks like he's saying, "Let me find your seeds." :-) Everything at EMAZING is template-driven. One of the senior programmers here has written a tag replacement program that is similar in function to Text::Template, and we use it all the time. The web people know how to format the tags and insert them in pages, the content people have tools to help them add text to the tags in the database, and the programmers pull in templates, merge the data with the templates, and handle unresolved tags and conditionals. There are actually two layers of templates; the designers edit basepages which are then merged with the look-and-feel content tags to create individual templates which are then merged with daily data to create the pages that are displayed. (A little crazy, but it does work.) The Grapevine mail system accepts submissions from 'Vine subscribers and sends them to everyone on that 'Vine. During this process email addresses are anonymized and the message content is scrubbed. Then the messages are grouped together by domain and delivered. We have control mechanisms in place to limit the number of messages sent at a time to each domain (important for avoiding spam filters). I worked on the part that handles anonymous 1-on-1 messaging, which lets two people swap messages without knowing each other's real email address. Perl is used for everything here. It is our language of choice, but we are also starting to use Java to write Oracle stored procedures. The end result is that the hard database work is done inside the database now instead of in Perl programs, and Perl/DBI is just calling the stored procedures and capturing the output. Um...all the servers are running Redhat, Apache, and mod_perl. It's hard to separate out my individual contribution to the whole Grapevine. I've been here for almost a year, but there's still much about the core systems that I don't know. I'll be happy to share what I can if anyone's interested. Janine From janine at emazing.com Tue Feb 13 12:39:16 2001 From: janine at emazing.com (Janine) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: Programs [was LPM: Meetings and attendance] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Um...all the servers are running Redhat, Apache, and mod_perl. Correction: the web servers run Apache and mod_perl. The mail servers are pretty lean, and are dedicated to task of sending mail. All of the servers do run Linux. We have a LOT of servers. I have trouble keeping up with them all. :-) Janine From janine at emazing.com Tue Feb 13 13:23:10 2001 From: janine at emazing.com (Janine) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: Rescheduling In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Uh...why did this post now? I mailed it a loooooong time ago, way before Mik's brilliant Friday 1:30pm-3:00pm suggestion. I'm cool with a Friday lunchtime meeting. Janine > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lexington-pm-list@pm.org > [mailto:owner-lexington-pm-list@pm.org]On Behalf Of Janine > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 2:14 PM > To: lexington-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org > Subject: RE: LPM: Rescheduling > > > What about Friday nights? I'd like a legitimate reason to start my weekends early. :-) > > Janine > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-lexington-pm-list@pm.org > > [mailto:owner-lexington-pm-list@pm.org]On Behalf Of ken.rietz@asbury.edu > > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 2:43 PM > > To: lexington-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org > > Subject: RE: LPM: Rescheduling > > > > > > > > > SO, on that note, I second the motion that we move to a > > > Wednesday night, > > > so that Janine and Dave can come. Will this make it less > > > convenient for > > > anyone else? Is there anyone else that will be able to make it if we > > > make this move? > > > > I should be able to make it, as long as it ends before 9 pm. > > > > -- Ken > > > > > From ken.rietz at asbury.edu Tue Feb 13 13:39:37 2001 From: ken.rietz at asbury.edu (ken.rietz@asbury.edu) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: RE: tonight's meeting Message-ID: <23CBF54C1C42D411B2CA0004ACB8555F117D11@MOSES> > We also talked about how with so many of the CPAN modules, the docs > really suck, and it is a nice thing to submit documentation > patches. It > was suggested that perhaps the next time one of us encounters a CPAN > module that is really well done, but has really sucky documentation, > that this be mentioned on the list, and perhaps we could come up with > patches for these docs as a group, and so help out the community. > > Just some thoughts. Let me know what you think. I'm all over it, but currently spread so thin, I'm invisible. But one of these days Real Soon Now, I will have time to thicken (OK, quit the laughing....), and I would love to do this. -- Ken From rbowen at rcbowen.com Tue Feb 13 19:52:04 2001 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: Rescheduling References: Message-ID: <3A89E4C4.BBB2BEB1@rcbowen.com> Janine wrote: > > Uh...why did this post now? I mailed it a loooooong time ago, way > before Mik's brilliant Friday 1:30pm-3:00pm suggestion. I'm cool with a > Friday lunchtime meeting. Yes, my directions to the meeting just posted to. I think happyfunball is having issues. -- Rich Bowen Come see me at Apachecon! -- http://www.apachecon.com/ From rbowen at rcbowen.com Tue Feb 13 20:00:44 2001 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: Joseph Beth and future meetings Message-ID: <3A89E6CC.9C786D5@rcbowen.com> When we met at Joseph Beth last year (or was it two years ago?) there was a $50 minimum food charge. Since we spent slightly over $50 eating lunch, there was no charge for the facility. However, since that time, they've increased that to a $150 minimum food charge, and a $50 room fee I to the food. This puts this facility out of our price range, unless someone's company wants to sponsor the event. In light of this, I expect that we want to find another place. This sucks, considering that we had a really great time and location worked out, and now we have to work it out again. I recommend The Olive Garden. We met there once before, and it worked out very nicely. If nobody has any objections to this, perhaps someone can call there and find a Friday next month that we could have the semi-private area for our meeting. I can bring an easel and paper pad, but of someone could borrow a LCD-projector for that time, that would be even better. We don't have a speaker or a topic worked out yet, but I'd really like to have that worked out much further in advance this time, so that we can do the poster thing, and perhaps get some more people to come out. -- Rich Bowen Come see me at Apachecon! -- http://www.apachecon.com/ From rbowen at rcbowen.com Tue Feb 13 20:08:02 2001 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: Meetings and attendance References: <5.0.0.25.0.20010212140557.039a3d28@mail.ket.org> Message-ID: <3A89E882.C379245D@rcbowen.com> David Hempy wrote: ... > Okay...hope I haven't pissed anyone off. Just offering why my perspective > for anyone who is concerned about attendance numbers. No, not at all. But it is *exceedingly* hard to get people to give talks. We're all doing interesting things with Perl (oK, some of us are, others not so much), but not all of us are doing something that's really worth talking about. I do a lot of CGI amd MySQL stuff. Whoopee. It's hard to come up with things to talk about that are a) really interesting, b) really useful, and c) which I'm enough of an expert on to benefit anyone. Frank's talk on Sys::Syslog was very useful. It was informative and immediately applicable to anyone running a server or two. That sort of talk is great. It was a "here's a module that makes my life easier" talk. That's the sort of talk that most of us would be able to give with a little thought. Some of the modules that I use I don't think much about until someone asks a question on the list and I think, wow, doesn't *everyone* use Mail::Sendmail. Or Time::CTime. Or whatever. -- Rich Bowen Come see me at Apachecon! -- http://www.apachecon.com/ From sungo at qx.net Tue Feb 13 20:10:58 2001 From: sungo at qx.net (Matt Cashner) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: Joseph Beth and future meetings In-Reply-To: <3A89E6CC.9C786D5@rcbowen.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Rich Bowen wrote: > We don't have a speaker or a topic worked out yet, but I'd really like consider me a standby speaker for perlmongers in general. i'm sure i can always dredge up something to babble out. m. From hempy at ket.org Tue Feb 13 23:16:12 2001 From: hempy at ket.org (David Hempy) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: Meetings and attendance In-Reply-To: <3A89E882.C379245D@rcbowen.com> References: <5.0.0.25.0.20010212140557.039a3d28@mail.ket.org> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20010214001142.03d6a070@mail.ket.org> At 09:08 PM 2/13/2001 -0500, you wrote: >David Hempy wrote: >... > > Okay...hope I haven't pissed anyone off. Just offering why my perspective > > for anyone who is concerned about attendance numbers. > >No, not at all. But it is *exceedingly* hard to get people to give >talks. We're all doing interesting things with Perl (oK, some of us are, >others not so much), but not all of us are doing something that's really >worth talking about. I do a lot of CGI amd MySQL stuff. Whoopee. It's >hard to come up with things to talk about that are a) really >interesting, b) really useful, and c) which I'm enough of an expert on >to benefit anyone. Well...that's pretty much the same stuff I do. I sure don't count myself an expert in perl, but I suppose everyone knows people that know more and people that know less than they do. In that spirit, I volunteer to expose myself before my peers and talk about the tiny little corner of perl that I know: CGI, templates, and similar. I fully expect to learn more than anyone listening to me, so it should be a win-win situation. If called upon, I will dissect my Pressroom program and facilitate a discussion of what is good about it and what could be better about it. Feel free to call on this last-minute...it's got a good shelf life. -dave -- David Hempy Internet Database Administrator Kentucky Educational Television -- (859)258-7164 -- (800)333-9764 From fireston at lexmark.com Wed Feb 14 08:37:15 2001 From: fireston at lexmark.com (Mik Firestone) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: Joseph Beth and future meetings In-Reply-To: <3A89E6CC.9C786D5@rcbowen.com>; from rbowen%rcbowen.com@interlock.lexmark.com on Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 09:00:44PM -0500 References: <3A89E6CC.9C786D5@rcbowen.com> Message-ID: <200102141437.JAA15528@interlock2.lexmark.com> As the speaker at the first meeting at the Olive Garden, it was difficult to speak loud enough to be heard and not be shouting perl all over the restaurant. And I agree, Jo-Beth's new arrangements suck. I might suggest getting in touch with Lexington City Brewery - I know they have a seperate room you can reserve. I have no idea what that would cost. Anybody else know of a reasonable restaurant where we could get a seperate room? I am willing to speak on any one of the following topics: 1. SNMP ( simple network management protocol) - this will be a long and complex topic. 2. Notify - a module I have created to provide a uniform way of printing debug, warning, error, usage and information messages. This could be interesting because it is also a fair example of how to write one's own import() routine. 3. I might be up to an Intro to Object Oriented perl. Maybe. 4. Strange games you play with fork() and signals - or - how to write your own parallel MP3 ripper :) This would be mostly for the UNIX crowd - I know Win32 perl has a fork, but I do not know how stable it is. Mik On 21:00, 02/13/01, Rich Bowen said: > When we met at Joseph Beth last year (or was it two years ago?) there > was a $50 minimum food charge. Since we spent slightly over $50 eating > lunch, there was no charge for the facility. However, since that time, > they've increased that to a $150 minimum food charge, and a $50 room fee > I to the food. This puts this facility out of our price > range, unless someone's company wants to sponsor the event. > > In light of this, I expect that we want to find another place. This > sucks, considering that we had a really great time and location worked > out, and now we have to work it out again. I recommend The Olive Garden. > We met there once before, and it worked out very nicely. If nobody has > any objections to this, perhaps someone can call there and find a Friday > next month that we could have the semi-private area for our meeting. I > can bring an easel and paper pad, but of someone could borrow a > LCD-projector for that time, that would be even better. > > We don't have a speaker or a topic worked out yet, but I'd really like > to have that worked out much further in advance this time, so that we > can do the poster thing, and perhaps get some more people to come out. > > -- > Rich Bowen > Come see me at Apachecon! -- http://www.apachecon.com/ -- Mik Firestone fireston@lexmark.com When I become an Evil Overlord: I will not interrogate my enemies in the inner sanctum-a small hotel well outside my borders will work just as well. From janine at emazing.com Wed Feb 14 09:32:15 2001 From: janine at emazing.com (Janine) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: Joseph Beth and future meetings In-Reply-To: <200102141437.JAA15528@interlock2.lexmark.com> Message-ID: I think Lexington City Brewery closed. I'm interested in any of the topics you suggested, Mik. :-) Janine From repett0 at sweb.uky.edu Wed Feb 14 10:04:48 2001 From: repett0 at sweb.uky.edu (Ronald Edward Petty) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: Joseph Beth and future meetings In-Reply-To: <200102141437.JAA15528@interlock2.lexmark.com> Message-ID: u cant use LCB, they went out of business ron On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Mik Firestone wrote: > As the speaker at the first meeting at the Olive Garden, it was difficult to > speak loud enough to be heard and not be shouting perl all over the > restaurant. And I agree, Jo-Beth's new arrangements suck. I might suggest > getting in touch with Lexington City Brewery - I know they have a seperate > room you can reserve. I have no idea what that would cost. Anybody else know > of a reasonable restaurant where we could get a seperate room? > > I am willing to speak on any one of the following topics: > 1. SNMP ( simple network management protocol) - this will be a long and > complex topic. > 2. Notify - a module I have created to provide a uniform way of printing > debug, warning, error, usage and information messages. This could be > interesting because it is also a fair example of how to write one's own > import() routine. > 3. I might be up to an Intro to Object Oriented perl. Maybe. > 4. Strange games you play with fork() and signals - or - how to write your > own parallel MP3 ripper :) This would be mostly for the UNIX crowd - I > know Win32 perl has a fork, but I do not know how stable it is. > Mik > > On 21:00, 02/13/01, Rich Bowen said: > > When we met at Joseph Beth last year (or was it two years ago?) there > > was a $50 minimum food charge. Since we spent slightly over $50 eating > > lunch, there was no charge for the facility. However, since that time, > > they've increased that to a $150 minimum food charge, and a $50 room fee > > I to the food. This puts this facility out of our price > > range, unless someone's company wants to sponsor the event. > > > > In light of this, I expect that we want to find another place. This > > sucks, considering that we had a really great time and location worked > > out, and now we have to work it out again. I recommend The Olive Garden. > > We met there once before, and it worked out very nicely. If nobody has > > any objections to this, perhaps someone can call there and find a Friday > > next month that we could have the semi-private area for our meeting. I > > can bring an easel and paper pad, but of someone could borrow a > > LCD-projector for that time, that would be even better. > > > > We don't have a speaker or a topic worked out yet, but I'd really like > > to have that worked out much further in advance this time, so that we > > can do the poster thing, and perhaps get some more people to come out. > > > > -- > > Rich Bowen > > Come see me at Apachecon! -- http://www.apachecon.com/ > -- > Mik Firestone fireston@lexmark.com > When I become an Evil Overlord: > I will not interrogate my enemies in the inner sanctum-a small hotel well > outside my borders will work just as well. > > From jgibson at lexmark.com Wed Feb 14 10:20:17 2001 From: jgibson at lexmark.com (John Gibson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: Joseph Beth and future meetings Message-ID: <200102141620.LAA16345@interlock2.lexmark.com> If we actually start the lunch time meetings. I would like to hear more about the games with fork() -John On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Mik Firestone wrote: > As the speaker at the first meeting at the Olive Garden, it was difficult to > speak loud enough to be heard and not be shouting perl all over the > restaurant. And I agree, Jo-Beth's new arrangements suck. I might suggest > getting in touch with Lexington City Brewery - I know they have a seperate > room you can reserve. I have no idea what that would cost. Anybody else know > of a reasonable restaurant where we could get a seperate room? > > I am willing to speak on any one of the following topics: > 1. SNMP ( simple network management protocol) - this will be a long and > complex topic. > 2. Notify - a module I have created to provide a uniform way of printing > debug, warning, error, usage and information messages. This could be > interesting because it is also a fair example of how to write one's own > import() routine. > 3. I might be up to an Intro to Object Oriented perl. Maybe. > 4. Strange games you play with fork() and signals - or - how to write your > own parallel MP3 ripper :) This would be mostly for the UNIX crowd - I > know Win32 perl has a fork, but I do not know how stable it is. > Mik > > > On 21:00, 02/13/01, Rich Bowen said: > > > When we met at Joseph Beth last year (or was it two years ago?) there > > > was a $50 minimum food charge. Since we spent slightly over $50 eating > > > lunch, there was no charge for the facility. However, since that time, > > > they've increased that to a $150 minimum food charge, and a $50 room fee > > > I to the food. This puts this facility out of our price > > > range, unless someone's company wants to sponsor the event. > > > > > > In light of this, I expect that we want to find another place. This > > > sucks, considering that we had a really great time and location worked > > > out, and now we have to work it out again. I recommend The Olive Garden. > > > We met there once before, and it worked out very nicely. If nobody has > > > any objections to this, perhaps someone can call there and find a Friday > > > next month that we could have the semi-private area for our meeting. I > > > can bring an easel and paper pad, but of someone could borrow a > > > LCD-projector for that time, that would be even better. > > > > > > We don't have a speaker or a topic worked out yet, but I'd really like > > > to have that worked out much further in advance this time, so that we > > > can do the poster thing, and perhaps get some more people to come out. > > > > > > -- > > > Rich Bowen > > > Come see me at Apachecon! -- http://www.apachecon.com/ > > -- > > Mik Firestone fireston@lexmark.com > > When I become an Evil Overlord: > > I will not interrogate my enemies in the inner sanctum-a small hotel well > > outside my borders will work just as well. > > > > > > From repett0 at sweb.uky.edu Wed Feb 14 10:31:35 2001 From: repett0 at sweb.uky.edu (Ronald Edward Petty) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: meeting place Message-ID: would u possibly be interested in having meetings in the hardymon building (its the new networking building on rose and maxwell)... give me times, and Ill do what i can, u can eat in the conference room, net access also.. Ron From dpitts at mk.net Wed Feb 14 10:08:15 2001 From: dpitts at mk.net (David Pitts) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: future meetings References: <200102141620.LAA16345@interlock2.lexmark.com> Message-ID: <036301c096a0$570edee0$7801a8c0@adverb.com> We can always reserve the conference room at the Chamber of Commerce. I would think that at least one person here has a company that is a member. Any member can reserve it. It includes internet connectivity, chairs, tables, a little closet with a sink and place to put drinks and stuff. It is only available during business hours - so a lunch time would be great. Thanks, David Pitts http://www.dpitts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gibson" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 11:20 AM Subject: Re: LPM: Joseph Beth and future meetings > If we actually start the lunch time meetings. I would > like to hear more about the games with fork() > > -John > > On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Mik Firestone wrote: > > > As the speaker at the first meeting at the Olive Garden, it was difficult to > > speak loud enough to be heard and not be shouting perl all over the > > restaurant. And I agree, Jo-Beth's new arrangements suck. I might suggest > > getting in touch with Lexington City Brewery - I know they have a seperate > > room you can reserve. I have no idea what that would cost. Anybody else know > > of a reasonable restaurant where we could get a seperate room? > > > > I am willing to speak on any one of the following topics: > > 1. SNMP ( simple network management protocol) - this will be a long and > > complex topic. > > 2. Notify - a module I have created to provide a uniform way of printing > > debug, warning, error, usage and information messages. This could be > > interesting because it is also a fair example of how to write one's own > > import() routine. > > 3. I might be up to an Intro to Object Oriented perl. Maybe. > > 4. Strange games you play with fork() and signals - or - how to write your > > own parallel MP3 ripper :) This would be mostly for the UNIX crowd - I > > know Win32 perl has a fork, but I do not know how stable it is. > > Mik > > > > > On 21:00, 02/13/01, Rich Bowen said: > > > > When we met at Joseph Beth last year (or was it two years ago?) there > > > > was a $50 minimum food charge. Since we spent slightly over $50 eating > > > > lunch, there was no charge for the facility. However, since that time, > > > > they've increased that to a $150 minimum food charge, and a $50 room fee > > > > I to the food. This puts this facility out of our price > > > > range, unless someone's company wants to sponsor the event. > > > > > > > > In light of this, I expect that we want to find another place. This > > > > sucks, considering that we had a really great time and location worked > > > > out, and now we have to work it out again. I recommend The Olive Garden. > > > > We met there once before, and it worked out very nicely. If nobody has > > > > any objections to this, perhaps someone can call there and find a Friday > > > > next month that we could have the semi-private area for our meeting. I > > > > can bring an easel and paper pad, but of someone could borrow a > > > > LCD-projector for that time, that would be even better. > > > > > > > > We don't have a speaker or a topic worked out yet, but I'd really like > > > > to have that worked out much further in advance this time, so that we > > > > can do the poster thing, and perhaps get some more people to come out. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Rich Bowen > > > > Come see me at Apachecon! -- http://www.apachecon.com/ > > > -- > > > Mik Firestone fireston@lexmark.com > > > When I become an Evil Overlord: > > > I will not interrogate my enemies in the inner sanctum-a small hotel well > > > outside my borders will work just as well. > > > > > > > > > > > From BMarlin at accentsystems.com Wed Feb 14 10:48:28 2001 From: BMarlin at accentsystems.com (Bill Marlin) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: RE: meeting place Message-ID: <61FE4D9C8A6ED211937100805FBB3BF46A9E30@BUCKWHEAT> Rich I sent an email to your other address but I want to stop receiving these emails. I forgot the email address for the unsubscribe so if you can remove me or send me it I will do it. Personally I joined the list to see what others are doing in perl and different Perl program ideas. In the past month the only topics have been where to have meetings and who is going to speak. There is nothing wrong with that but that is about all I have seen on here. Thanks for the knowledge and let me know if the email list starts posting more messages about the PERL Language itself. Bill Marlin -----Original Message----- From: Ronald Edward Petty [mailto:repett0@sweb.uky.edu] Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 11:32 Billy's! To: lexington-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: LPM: meeting place would u possibly be interested in having meetings in the hardymon building (its the new networking building on rose and maxwell)... give me times, and Ill do what i can, u can eat in the conference room, net access also.. Ron From ken.rietz at asbury.edu Wed Feb 14 13:23:46 2001 From: ken.rietz at asbury.edu (ken.rietz@asbury.edu) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: Joseph Beth and future meetings Message-ID: <23CBF54C1C42D411B2CA0004ACB8555F117D13@MOSES> > If we actually start the lunch time meetings. I would > like to hear more about the games with fork() > Rich knows quite a bit about fork(), but he is really good at knife(), particularly at lunch :-) -- Ken From rbowen at rcbowen.com Wed Feb 14 17:31:00 2001 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (rbowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: RE: meeting place In-Reply-To: <61FE4D9C8A6ED211937100805FBB3BF46A9E30@BUCKWHEAT> Message-ID: Bill, My DSL connection, and hence my mail server, were down all day, so this is the first that I'm seeing this message. Sorry you feel this way. I'll try to get this taken care of this evening. I think that some of the things that we've just decided, like the decision to work more on some group projects, will result in more discussion of Perl, but I'll remove you as soon as I get my network issues resolved. -- Director of Web Application Development - The Creative Group http://www.cre8tivegroup.com/ Author - Apache Server Unleashed - http://apacheunleashed.com/ On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Bill Marlin wrote: > Rich I sent an email to your other address but I want to stop receiving > these emails. > I forgot the email address for the unsubscribe so if you can remove me or > send me it I will > do it. Personally I joined the list to see what others are doing in perl > and different Perl > program ideas. In the past month the only topics have been where to have > meetings and who is > going to speak. There is nothing wrong with that but that is about all I > have seen on here. > > Thanks for the knowledge and let me know if the email list starts posting > more messages > about the PERL Language itself. > > Bill Marlin > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ronald Edward Petty [mailto:repett0@sweb.uky.edu] From rbowen at rcbowen.com Wed Feb 14 21:02:11 2001 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: future meetings References: <200102141620.LAA16345@interlock2.lexmark.com> <036301c096a0$570edee0$7801a8c0@adverb.com> Message-ID: <3A8B46B3.AB01016D@rcbowen.com> David Pitts wrote: > > We can always reserve the conference room at the Chamber of Commerce. I > would think that at least one person here has a company that is a member. > Any member can reserve it. It includes internet connectivity, chairs, > tables, a little closet with a sink and place to put drinks and stuff. It > is only available during business hours - so a lunch time would be great. I take it from your comments that you have some contact with them, have been there, or something. Can we count on you to make the necessary contact? -- Rich Bowen Come see me at Apachecon! -- http://www.apachecon.com/ From rbowen at rcbowen.com Wed Feb 14 21:03:51 2001 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: meeting place References: Message-ID: <3A8B4717.ABCEB045@rcbowen.com> Ronald Edward Petty wrote: > > would u possibly be interested in having meetings in the hardymon building > (its the new networking building on rose and maxwell)... give me times, > and Ill do what i can, u can eat in the conference room, net access also.. This is certainly worth checking out. Times would be "lunchtime". We're all pretty flexible, within reason. Perhaps 1-3? Incidentally, Monday night, the room was taken with a class. -- Rich Bowen Come see me at Apachecon! -- http://www.apachecon.com/ From repett0 at sweb.uky.edu Wed Feb 14 21:41:37 2001 From: repett0 at sweb.uky.edu (Ronald Edward Petty) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: meeting place In-Reply-To: <3A8B4717.ABCEB045@rcbowen.com> Message-ID: u mean the room in whitehall was taken, well new semester have no say in it... Ill ask if the conference room in hardymon is used i wouldn't see why it would so.. Ron On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Rich Bowen wrote: > Ronald Edward Petty wrote: > > > > would u possibly be interested in having meetings in the hardymon building > > (its the new networking building on rose and maxwell)... give me times, > > and Ill do what i can, u can eat in the conference room, net access also.. > > This is certainly worth checking out. Times would be "lunchtime". We're > all pretty flexible, within reason. Perhaps 1-3? > > Incidentally, Monday night, the room was taken with a class. > > -- > Rich Bowen > Come see me at Apachecon! -- http://www.apachecon.com/ > From rbowen at rcbowen.com Thu Feb 15 06:24:38 2001 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: FYI Message-ID: <3A8BCA86.32D90334@rcbowen.com> Just for your information, in case anyone else wanted to know, if you want to get off the list, the approved technique is listed on the Lexington.pm web site at http://lexington.pm.org/ Just add an "un" to the instructions for joining the list. You will find that this is much more effective than telling the whole list what's wrong with them, or sending me nastygrams in my personal email. This has been a public service announcement. I now return you to your regularly scheduled programs. -- Rich Bowen Come see me at Apachecon! -- http://www.apachecon.com/ From dpitts at mk.net Thu Feb 15 09:21:32 2001 From: dpitts at mk.net (David Pitts) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:01 2004 Subject: LPM: future meetings References: <200102141620.LAA16345@interlock2.lexmark.com> <036301c096a0$570edee0$7801a8c0@adverb.com> <3A8B46B3.AB01016D@rcbowen.com> Message-ID: <04d501c09762$fa7c1940$7801a8c0@adverb.com> I can certainly be the initial contact, but as of March I will no longer be a member, and, thus, not be able to schedule the room. Any company that is a member of the chamber can schedule the room. BTW, every employee of a chamber member is also a chamber member. Yes, I used the room for a conference. Thanks, David Pitts http://www.dpitts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Bowen" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 10:02 PM Subject: Re: LPM: future meetings > David Pitts wrote: > > > > We can always reserve the conference room at the Chamber of Commerce. I > > would think that at least one person here has a company that is a member. > > Any member can reserve it. It includes internet connectivity, chairs, > > tables, a little closet with a sink and place to put drinks and stuff. It > > is only available during business hours - so a lunch time would be great. > > I take it from your comments that you have some contact with them, have > been there, or something. Can we count on you to make the necessary > contact? > > -- > Rich Bowen > Come see me at Apachecon! -- http://www.apachecon.com/ >