From mandrews at termfrost.org Mon Jul 5 12:18:45 1999 From: mandrews at termfrost.org (Mike Andrews) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: In the spirit of volunteerism ... In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990629144602.03703150@mail.ket.org> Message-ID: I'll probably make it. Mike Andrews (MA12) -=-=- VP & Sysadmin, Digital Crescent, Frankfort KY mandrews@dcr.net -=- mandrews@termfrost.org -=- http://www.termfrost.org "If you're not part of the solution.... you're part of the precipitate." On Tue, 29 Jun 1999, David Hempy wrote: > At 10:47 AM 6/28/99 -0400, you wrote: > >I have been rather swamped of late, and I will continue to be swamped > >and/or travelling for the next week. Could someone pick up the ball here > >and reserve some place for us to meet next month. Much thanks in > >advance. > > > >Rich > > > I've taken care of it. If anyone has already reserved a room, please let > me know. Otherwise I've picked a place that I really like and is a short > drive for me... Joe Bologna's downtown at Maxwell and Upper. > > We've got half the loft from 6:00 until 8:00 PM Tuesday, July 13. Assuming > the format is similar to last month's, we'll spend the first half eating > and start Rich's discussion around 7 PM. > > I need a show of hands... Please reply to the list indicating if you are > coming if you are bringing any guests. I've got seating for 15 reserved > upstairs. As long as we're within 3 or 4 people of that, they can accommodate. > > I'll be there, and probably bringing 2 others from KET. > > -dave From rich at mullikin.com Wed Jul 7 13:01:23 1999 From: rich at mullikin.com (Richard Mullikin) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: In the spirit of volunteerism ... References: Message-ID: <378395F3.43A04114@mullikin.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/archives/lexington-pm/attachments/19990707/3708118e/attachment.htm From rbowen at rcbowen.com Thu Jul 8 10:14:23 1999 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: In the spirit of volunteerism ... References: <378395F3.43A04114@mullikin.com> Message-ID: <3784C04F.9354A741@rcbowen.com> Richard Mullikin wrote: > ... > I just joined this mailing list, but would like to attend the meeting > if possible. I would like to bring my wife. Thanks. Great! We need some roses among the thorns. See you there, and I'll try to have something useful to say by then. Rich -- It seems to me as we make our own few circles 'round the sun We get it backwards and our seven years go by like one --Rush, 'Dog Years' (Test for Echo, 1996) From rbowen at rcbowen.com Sat Jul 10 19:11:24 1999 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: Tuesday's Meeting Message-ID: <3787E12C.AAFDDC2C@rcbowen.com> Just a reminder to all you Perl Mongers out there, that we will be meeting Tuesday night at Joe Bologna's, at 6pm. We will be hearing a synopsis of all that happened at YAPC, and then I'll be talking about Perl on NT, and why it's such a good thing. By the way, you can see some pictures of YAPC at http://www.activestate.com/ Apparently it was a big success. Rich -- It seems to me as we make our own few circles 'round the sun We get it backwards and our seven years go by like one --Rush, 'Dog Years' (Test for Echo, 1996) From grdodson at lexmark.com Tue Jul 13 10:26:11 1999 From: grdodson at lexmark.com (grdodson@lexmark.com) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: Tonight's meeting Message-ID: <199907131526.LAA14071@interlock2.lexmark.com> I need one more spot at the table. I have a surprise guest. Turns out that Nat Torkington will be back in town for his (last) class he is teaching at Lexmark this year. Since he is arriving in town this afternoon there is a chance he will be unable to make it if planes don't arrive on time, but otherwise he is interested in attending. He also tells me he has some goodies to hand out. If you have any Perl Cookbooks you want signed this is your chance. Thanks. Graydon Dodson (606) 232-6483 grdodson@lexmark.com Lexmark International Inc. From Loren.Lang at Columbia.net Tue Jul 13 10:35:09 1999 From: Loren.Lang at Columbia.net (Lang Loren) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: RE: Tonight's meeting Message-ID: <66B429EB7AB4D1119A180000F81F6787013CD8BC@LOUEX01> He can have my seat - I won't be able to make it. (sniff...) Grab a goodie for me, somebody. Loren Lang Director of Information Systems Georgetown Community Hospital Phone: 502-868-1209 1140 Lexington Road Fax: 502-868-5607 Georgetown, KY 40324 e-mail: loren.lang@lifepointhospitals.com > -----Original Message----- > From: grdodson@lexmark.com [SMTP:grdodson@lexmark.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 11:26 AM > To: lexington-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org > Subject: LPM: Tonight's meeting > > > > I need one more spot at the table. I have a surprise guest. Turns out > that > Nat Torkington will be back in town for his (last) class he is teaching at > > Lexmark this year. > > Since he is arriving in town this afternoon there is a chance he will be > > unable to make it if planes don't arrive on time, but otherwise he is > interested in attending. He also tells me he has some goodies to hand > out. > If you have any Perl Cookbooks you want signed this is your chance. > > > > Thanks. > > Graydon Dodson (606) 232-6483 grdodson@lexmark.com > Lexmark International Inc. From rbowen at rcbowen.com Wed Jul 14 07:50:32 1999 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: Last night's meeting Message-ID: <378C8798.440E254D@rcbowen.com> Thanks to all the folks that attended last night's meeting, and put up with the noise, and with us trying to shout over it. We need to find a quieter place! A few places have been suggested, and other suggestions are welcome. Any place with ESPN should probably be disqualified. ;-) Nat Torkington was there, which was very nice. And, thanks to Nat, we have a door prize to give out at the next meeting - a Magnetic Perl Poetry kit - and we needto come up with some good way to decide who gets it. I am caffeine-impaired this morning, and have no good ideas at the moment. Graydon told us about YAPC (http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~lenzo/yapc/1999/ for more details) and I spoke briefly about using Perl on NT to make my life easier. Since I rushed through that rather fast, trying to yell over the noise, I'll put my annotated notes up on the web site (http://lexington.pm.org/) some time in the near future. Rich -- It seems to me as we make our own few circles 'round the sun We get it backwards and our seven years go by like one --Rush, 'Dog Years' (Test for Echo, 1996) From rbowen at rcbowen.com Wed Jul 14 07:57:07 1999 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: Next month's meeting Message-ID: <378C8923.CBA0EA26@rcbowen.com> So, the immediate items of business are: 1) The vote on when we meet (http://www.dcr.net/cgi/oneiros/lexpm/display.pl) has swung to Monday night. Do we a) Change our meeting time yet again b) Say, the heck with it, we've changed it enough already c) Get those people who still have not voted to vote, and change it another time d) Some other answer or combination of answers 2) Who is going to speak next month, and what are you going to tell us about? 3) Where will we meet? This depends, of course, on meeting time, but it seems that the meeting time will be evenings, unless there is a huge change in the vote. By the way, those folks that were unwilling to drive all the way from Louisville will be pleased to know that the Louisville Perl Mongers have now been officially registered. Contact Janine Ladick (jladick@bellsouth.net) for more details. Janine came down for the meeting last night. Rich -- It seems to me as we make our own few circles 'round the sun We get it backwards and our seven years go by like one --Rush, 'Dog Years' (Test for Echo, 1996) From Loren.Lang at Columbia.net Wed Jul 14 08:02:36 1999 From: Loren.Lang at Columbia.net (Lang Loren) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: RE: Next month's meeting Message-ID: <66B429EB7AB4D1119A180000F81F6787013CD8C2@LOUEX01> Speaking strictly from a selfish standpoint - I like Monday. As I said in an earlier post, current situations don't allow for the Tuesday evenings in general and the second Tuesday of the month especially so. (Two shiny pennies duly deposited in the cup...) Loren Lang Director of Information Systems Georgetown Community Hospital Phone: 502-868-1209 1140 Lexington Road Fax: 502-868-5607 Georgetown, KY 40324 e-mail: loren.lang@lifepointhospitals.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Rich Bowen [SMTP:rbowen@rcbowen.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 8:57 AM > To: Perl Mongers > Subject: LPM: Next month's meeting > > So, the immediate items of business are: > > 1) The vote on when we meet > (http://www.dcr.net/cgi/oneiros/lexpm/display.pl) has swung to Monday > night. Do we > a) Change our meeting time yet again > b) Say, the heck with it, we've changed it enough already > c) Get those people who still have not voted to vote, and change it > another time > d) Some other answer or combination of answers > > 2) Who is going to speak next month, and what are you going to tell us > about? > > 3) Where will we meet? This depends, of course, on meeting time, but it > seems that the meeting time will be evenings, unless there is a huge > change in the vote. > > By the way, those folks that were unwilling to drive all the way from > Louisville will be pleased to know that the Louisville Perl Mongers have > now been officially registered. Contact Janine Ladick > (jladick@bellsouth.net) for more details. Janine came down for the > meeting last night. > > Rich > -- > It seems to me as we make our own few circles 'round the sun > We get it backwards and our seven years go by like one > --Rush, 'Dog Years' (Test for Echo, 1996) From oneiros at dcr.net Wed Jul 14 08:29:57 1999 From: oneiros at dcr.net (Joe Hourcle) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: Next month's meeting In-Reply-To: <378C8923.CBA0EA26@rcbowen.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Jul 1999, Rich Bowen wrote: > So, the immediate items of business are: > > 1) The vote on when we meet > (http://www.dcr.net/cgi/oneiros/lexpm/display.pl) has swung to Monday > night. Do we > a) Change our meeting time yet again > b) Say, the heck with it, we've changed it enough already > c) Get those people who still have not voted to vote, and change it > another time > d) Some other answer or combination of answers Well, in this case, I think it comes down to: Have we already made a reservation somewhere? Is that place reasonably quiet? I mean, if we already have a place, is there really that much demand to change it. (if it's as noisy as last night, yes, there is). It might be good to try a few different nights, and just see what sort of turnout we get. Although, chances are, we'll grow with time also, so we'll have to take that into account. ----- Joe Hourcle Digital Crescent, Inc. From fireston at lexmark.com Wed Jul 14 09:04:49 1999 From: fireston at lexmark.com (Mik Firestone) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: Next month's meeting In-Reply-To: <378C8923.CBA0EA26@rcbowen.com> Message-ID: <199907141402.KAA25050@interlock2.lexmark.com> Monday would be much better for me. I have previous commitments on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday that I will not break. And, as long as it is the second [Mon-Fri] of the month, I believe Friday is taken as well. Mondays *please*. Mik -- Mik Firestone fireston@lexmark.com When I become an Evil Overlord: My Legions of Terror will be trained in basic marksmanship. Any who cannot learn to hit a man-sized target at 10 meters will be used for target practice. From rbowen at rcbowen.com Wed Jul 14 09:25:17 1999 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: Next month's meeting References: Message-ID: <378C9DCD.8CA69581@rcbowen.com> Joe Hourcle wrote: ... > Well, in this case, I think it comes down to: > Have we already made a reservation somewhere? > Is that place reasonably quiet? No, we don't already have a reservation. We _had_ a lunch reservation for Joseph Beth, which I cancelled when we decided to move to evenings. So far, we've met at Joseph Beth (very quiet, and very hard to get, especially in the evenings, but I would not mind trying again), Olive Garden (reasonably quiet at lunch time, but I've never been there in the evening), and Joe Bologna's (I had to yell the whole time, and they had ESPN on a 60-inch screen directly behind my whiteboard). Other suggestions include various persons offering conference rooms at their place of employment. We could order pizza, and split the cost. That's my vote. It would be quiet, probably a lot cheaper than any restaraunt, we would have the resources we needed (whiteboard, network connection, etc), and we would not have to go by the restaraunt's schedule. Rich -- It seems to me as we make our own few circles 'round the sun We get it backwards and our seven years go by like one --Rush, 'Dog Years' (Test for Echo, 1996) From hempy at ket.org Wed Jul 14 10:18:29 1999 From: hempy at ket.org (David Hempy) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: Next month's meeting In-Reply-To: <378C9DCD.8CA69581@rcbowen.com> References: Message-ID: <4.1.19990714111207.042fa6d0@mail.ket.org> Thanks to Rich and Graydon for speaking last night, and thanks to Nat for coming out again. I learned from all three. It was also nice to meet some out-of-towners that came in for the meeting. My apologies to everyone, especially Rich and Graydon, for not considering noise level when making the reservations. I like Rich's idea of pizza, etc. at someone's workplace, and offer the rather nice facilities of KET at any time. As for scheduling of future meetings, I'm quite flexible on which evening we go with. -dave -- David Hempy Internet Database Administrator Kentucky Educational Television From sungo at earthling.net Wed Jul 14 10:55:27 1999 From: sungo at earthling.net (sungo) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: Next month's meeting In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990714111207.042fa6d0@mail.ket.org> Message-ID: as long as its in the evenings, i'm pretty flexible as well :) rich's conference room/pizza idea sounds good to me as well. probably cheaper as well... :) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Foco Theory | It is not necessary to wait until revolutionary | conditions have developed, since a dedicated | Matt Cashner small group can ignite a revolution, thus creating | sungo@earthling.net both the uprising and the conditions which make | it possible. | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From janine.ladick at fetterprinting.com Wed Jul 14 10:59:05 1999 From: janine.ladick at fetterprinting.com (Janine Ladick) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: Next month's meeting In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990714111207.042fa6d0@mail.ket.org> References: <378C9DCD.8CA69581@rcbowen.com> Message-ID: <9A88A733FF7@fetterprinting.com> I'm tempted to suggest that the next meeting be held at a circus, but I don't think anyone would second the motion. :-) I kinda liked meeting at Joe's. Yeah, it was noisy, but that made me concentrate a little harder and pay better attention to the speakers. My TV isn't as large as the one behind the easel and I never watch ESPN at home, so it was a pleasant change of pace to watch stuff like fishing - I thought fishing on TV was a joke, but apparently it's not - and guys rolling cars over with their bare hands. (I've seen cars rolled over before, but in Louisville we call those "accidents.") The food was good, too. At my end of the table there were several folks who were just getting started with Perl. Does anyone else see merit in having a few tutorials for the newbies? I like last night's 2 speaker format; perhaps in future meetings there could be one "how to" talk for the beginners and an advanced topic for the gurus. Sound reasonable? Janine From booberry at io.com Wed Jul 14 12:07:01 1999 From: booberry at io.com (0x29A [B.Vandgrift]) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: Next month's meeting In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990714111207.042fa6d0@mail.ket.org> Message-ID: I have a friend who works at the Horse Park -- she's great, and has been able to get a room for the Lexington Gaming Association over there a couple of times -- a nice room, and free of charge. I'll ask and see what we can get. The location's a little out of the way, but it's pretty swank. As for time, I'm all for Mondays, early afternoon or until 6:30 or so. --ben Ben Vandgrift http://www.io.com/~booberry ________________________________________________________________________ "I do not, nor will I ever tare my scales concerning what is right by the definitions of the general public." -- EB From rbowen at rcbowen.com Wed Jul 14 12:33:49 1999 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: Next month's meeting References: <378C9DCD.8CA69581@rcbowen.com> <9A88A733FF7@fetterprinting.com> Message-ID: <378CC9FD.896DE3@rcbowen.com> Janine Ladick wrote: ... > At my end of the table there were several folks who were just getting > started with Perl. Does anyone else see merit in having a few > tutorials for the newbies? I like last night's 2 speaker format; > perhaps in future meetings there could be one "how to" talk for the > beginners and an advanced topic for the gurus. Sound reasonable? Sounds like a great idea to me. I did not get a good feel for how many of the folks there were beginners, and how many were seasoned hackers, but it seems that in the past it has been fairly evenly split. Rich -- It seems to me as we make our own few circles 'round the sun We get it backwards and our seven years go by like one --Rush, 'Dog Years' (Test for Echo, 1996) From rich at mullikin.com Wed Jul 14 13:02:08 1999 From: rich at mullikin.com (Richard Mullikin) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: Next month's meeting References: <378C9DCD.8CA69581@rcbowen.com> <9A88A733FF7@fetterprinting.com> <378CC9FD.896DE3@rcbowen.com> Message-ID: <378CD09F.77509B14@mullikin.com> Rich Bowen wrote: > Janine Ladick wrote: > ... > > At my end of the table there were several folks who were just getting > > started with Perl. Does anyone else see merit in having a few > > tutorials for the newbies? I like last night's 2 speaker format; > > perhaps in future meetings there could be one "how to" talk for the > > beginners and an advanced topic for the gurus. Sound reasonable? > > Sounds like a great idea to me. I did not get a good feel for how many > of the folks there were beginners, and how many were seasoned hackers, > but it seems that in the past it has been fairly evenly split. > > Rich > -- > It seems to me as we make our own few circles 'round the sun > We get it backwards and our seven years go by like one > --Rush, 'Dog Years' (Test for Echo, 1996) I'am one of the newbies and would certainly appreciate some 'introductory' type sessions. I also enjoy hearing the complex stuff too, because you never know when everything all of a sudden starts to gel. I also have some pull at the Horse Park if you guys consider that as a possible meeting place. -- Richard Mullikin Handicapper's Data Warehouse www.horsedata.com From hempy at ket.org Wed Jul 14 15:47:07 1999 From: hempy at ket.org (David Hempy) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: Next month's meeting In-Reply-To: <378CD09F.77509B14@mullikin.com> References: <378C9DCD.8CA69581@rcbowen.com> <9A88A733FF7@fetterprinting.com> <378CC9FD.896DE3@rcbowen.com> Message-ID: <4.1.19990714163933.04304960@mail.ket.org> At 02:02 PM 7/14/99 -0400, you wrote: >Rich Bowen wrote: >> Janine Ladick wrote: >> ... >> > At my end of the table there were several folks who were just getting >> > started with Perl. Does anyone else see merit in having a few >> > tutorials for the newbies? I like last night's 2 speaker format; >> > perhaps in future meetings there could be one "how to" talk for the >> > beginners and an advanced topic for the gurus. Sound reasonable? >> Here's an idea that may be more trouble than it merits... Have the two sessions (intro and guru) separated by dinner. From 6:00 to 6:45 is the beginner stuff (which I'm eager to hear), from 6:45 to 7:30 is dinner (which I'm eager to eat), and from 7:30 to 8:15 is the guru stuff (which I'm eager to hear). I suspect most people are like myself, and will stay for all of it. But if they so choose, the gurus can stay at work a little later and the newbies can get to bed a little earlier. Only the dieters and the tightwads would be stuck with a split shift. My $0.02. -dave -- David Hempy Internet Database Administrator Kentucky Educational Television From janine.ladick at fetterprinting.com Wed Jul 14 16:35:49 1999 From: janine.ladick at fetterprinting.com (Janine Ladick) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: Next month's meeting In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990714163933.04304960@mail.ket.org> References: <378CD09F.77509B14@mullikin.com> Message-ID: <9AE27C7167B@fetterprinting.com> Dave wrote: > Have the two sessions (intro and guru) separated by dinner. From 6:00 to > 6:45 is the beginner stuff (which I'm eager to hear), from 6:45 to 7:30 is > dinner (which I'm eager to eat), and from 7:30 to 8:15 is the guru stuff > (which I'm eager to hear). I like it! That was worth at least 3, maybe even 3 and a half cents. Has anyone volunteered to speak or suggested a topic yet? HInt, hint, hint. Janine From rbowen at rcbowen.com Wed Jul 14 19:39:41 1999 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: Next month's meeting References: <378CD09F.77509B14@mullikin.com> <9AE27C7167B@fetterprinting.com> Message-ID: <378D2DCD.2A4EF724@rcbowen.com> > > Have the two sessions (intro and guru) separated by dinner. From 6:00 to > > 6:45 is the beginner stuff (which I'm eager to hear), from 6:45 to 7:30 is > > dinner (which I'm eager to eat), and from 7:30 to 8:15 is the guru stuff > > (which I'm eager to hear). I like this idea also. I'd be willing to take on some of the beginner stuff, since I'm already teaching a Perl class, and so already have some notes. > Has anyone volunteered to speak or suggested a topic yet? HInt, > hint, hint. It would be useful to hear from the beginners what areas they might like to hear about. Then, those of us that are willing to speak can pick a topic that folks are interested in. There were several topics that I suggested for last month's meeting. Those topics were: Modules (finding, installing, using, and writing them.), CGI (Subtitle: Why I don't 'use CGI.pm'), NT System administration with Perl (Subtitle: Making NT usable) or Stupid Perl Tricks (Schwartzian transforms, Orcish stuff, memoizing, and other cool toys). I already did the NT one, and would be wiling to do one of the others, but would prefer if someone else took August, since I have about a zillion things going on between now and August 9th. I think that, based on the input so far, and on the votes tallied so far, we'll be meeting on the evening of August 9th. Although the Horse Park does sound appealing, it adds considerably to the drive for some of us, and it would seem that KET is a little more conveniently located for more people. Just my $0.02, which can be shouted down, if you like. We've got a few weeks to decide. I'd like to get some posters on campus this time, though, especially if we are going to meet that near campus. On another topic, if we order pizza, how much should we charge each person? Would $4 or $5 cover it? Rich -- It seems to me as we make our own few circles 'round the sun We get it backwards and our seven years go by like one --Rush, 'Dog Years' (Test for Echo, 1996) From hempy at ket.org Wed Jul 14 22:13:19 1999 From: hempy at ket.org (David Hempy) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: Next month's meeting In-Reply-To: <378D2DCD.2A4EF724@rcbowen.com> References: <378CD09F.77509B14@mullikin.com> <9AE27C7167B@fetterprinting.com> Message-ID: <4.1.19990714230456.036c8570@mail.ket.org> >There were several topics that I suggested for last month's meeting. >Those topics were: Modules (finding, installing, using, and writing >them.), CGI (Subtitle: Why I don't 'use CGI.pm'), NT System >administration with Perl (Subtitle: Making NT usable) or Stupid Perl >Tricks (Schwartzian transforms, Orcish stuff, memoizing, and other cool >toys). I already did the NT one, and would be wiling to do one of the >others, but would prefer if someone else took August, since I have about >a zillion things going on between now and August 9th. I would be eager to hear about any of these, especially the ones I don't even recognize. (Schwartzian transforms??? Isn't that something from a TNG episode?) I regret I'm in no position to lead any Perl sessions, but I'll see if I can't do a little recruiting. > >I think that, based on the input so far, and on the votes tallied so >far, we'll be meeting on the evening of August 9th. Although the Horse >Park does sound appealing, it adds considerably to the drive for some of >us, and it would seem that KET is a little more conveniently located for >more people. Just my $0.02, which can be shouted down, if you like. >We've got a few weeks to decide. I'd like to get some posters on campus >this time, though, especially if we are going to meet that near campus. Doesn't matter to me... I'll reserve a room here at KET if you give me the thumbs-up, Rich. Lacking any other volunteers, I can also do some poster patrol, as I'm near campus. It will give me an excuse to stomp across campus again. I can also pass word along to the Central Kentucky Computer Society, and hopefully we can get in a newsletter before then. > >On another topic, if we order pizza, how much should we charge each >person? Would $4 or $5 cover it? I'm sure that would be plenty. I suspect we can just pass a hat and come out OK. -dave -- David Hempy Internet Database Administrator Kentucky Educational Television From fireston at lexmark.com Thu Jul 15 07:37:14 1999 From: fireston at lexmark.com (Mik Firestone) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: Next month's meeting In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990714230456.036c8570@mail.ket.org> Message-ID: <199907151234.IAA12707@interlock2.lexmark.com> I am willing, also, to tackle some of the beginner stuff if people will tell me what they are interested in. I have experiernce in: CGI, DBI, some perl debugging techniques, regex and some perl/gtk. I could also ( with some work ) present something on name spaces. It is my impression ( and if I am wrong, I apologize ) that none of us really do not feel anywhere near ready to do guru level teaching though. What if we were to reserve the second section for either "I did this really neat thing in perl and I have just got to brag it up to somebody" sessions or maybe a general "Bring a problem/question" sessions where we can help each other? > > > > >On another topic, if we order pizza, how much should we charge each > >person? Would $4 or $5 cover it? > > I'm sure that would be plenty. I suspect we can just pass a hat and come > out OK. > I would like to try the second option, but we would need at least a few people willing to cover a potential short fall. I would suggest covert volunteers - it may not be too good an idea for people to know exactly who may be footing the bill :) To speak up early, I would appreciate if at least one of those pizzas didn't have any meat on it. Mik -- Mik Firestone fireston@lexmark.com When I become an Evil Overlord: I will not employ devious schemes that involve the hero's party getting into my inner sanctum before the trap is sprung. From fireston at lexmark.com Thu Jul 15 07:42:46 1999 From: fireston at lexmark.com (Mik Firestone) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: Next month's meeting In-Reply-To: <199907151234.IAA12707@interlock2.lexmark.com> Message-ID: <199907151240.IAA13417@interlock2.lexmark.com> > It is my impression ( and if I am wrong, I apologize ) that none of us > really do not feel anywhere near ready to do guru level teaching though. Sigh. Try this sentence instead ( sorry, the grammar checker doesn't start until the *third* cup of tea ): " It is my impression ( and if I am wrong, I apologize ) that none of us really feel anywhere near ready to do guru level teaching though. " Sorry, Mik -- Mik Firestone fireston@lexmark.com When I become an Evil Overlord: When I employ people as advisors, I will occasionally listen to their advice. From janine.ladick at fetterprinting.com Thu Jul 15 08:04:00 1999 From: janine.ladick at fetterprinting.com (Janine Ladick) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: Next month's meeting In-Reply-To: <199907151234.IAA12707@interlock2.lexmark.com> References: <4.1.19990714230456.036c8570@mail.ket.org> Message-ID: <9BDA16560E3@fetterprinting.com> 95% of what I do involves reading in text databases, parsing each record into fields, manipulating the data somehow, then writing the fields back out into a different file structure. I write a lot of subroutines but none of them are too complex. I'd be happy to speak about any of this, should it be useful or interesting to the group. > It is my impression ( and if I am wrong, I apologize ) that none of us > really do not feel anywhere near ready to do guru level teaching though. > What if we were to reserve the second section for either "I did this > really neat thing in perl and I have just got to brag it up to somebody" > sessions or maybe a general "Bring a problem/question" sessions where we can > help each other? Good idea! Um, do regular expressions count as a beginner topic or an advanced topic? I promise to pay real good attention to a talk on regular expressions. > I would like to try the second option, but we would need at least a few people > willing to cover a potential short fall. I would suggest covert volunteers - > it may not be too good an idea for people to know exactly who may be footing > the bill :) To speak up early, I would appreciate if at least one of those > pizzas didn't have any meat on it. I agree - with both passing the hat and meatless pizza. Janine From rbowen at rcbowen.com Thu Jul 15 08:16:29 1999 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: Next month's meeting References: <4.1.19990714230456.036c8570@mail.ket.org> <9BDA16560E3@fetterprinting.com> Message-ID: <378DDF2D.873331E5@rcbowen.com> Janine Ladick wrote: ... > Um, do regular expressions count as a beginner topic or an advanced > topic? Yes. > I promise to pay real good attention to a talk on regular > expressions. Well, you just missed one last month. Mik's notes are up on the web site (http://lexington.pm.org/) Rich -- It seems to me as we make our own few circles 'round the sun We get it backwards and our seven years go by like one --Rush, 'Dog Years' (Test for Echo, 1996) From oneiros at dcr.net Thu Jul 15 11:12:46 1999 From: oneiros at dcr.net (Joe Hourcle) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: Next month's meeting In-Reply-To: <378D2DCD.2A4EF724@rcbowen.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Jul 1999, Rich Bowen wrote: > There were several topics that I suggested for last month's meeting. > Those topics were: Modules (finding, installing, using, and writing > them.), CGI (Subtitle: Why I don't 'use CGI.pm'), NT System > administration with Perl (Subtitle: Making NT usable) or Stupid Perl > Tricks (Schwartzian transforms, Orcish stuff, memoizing, and other cool > toys). I already did the NT one, and would be wiling to do one of the > others, but would prefer if someone else took August, since I have about > a zillion things going on between now and August 9th. Well, if depends on just how 'beginner' you want to make it. I'd be willing to leave a basic discussion onvarous debugging techniques (and well, as 'there's more than one way to do it', I'm guessing that I won't even come close to covering it all, but can atleast give some insight on where to look for clues as to problems) > On another topic, if we order pizza, how much should we charge each > person? Would $4 or $5 cover it? Well, it depends. from my years of ordering pizza at gatherings, I've very rarely seen more than $7/person spent with the tip, but then, that was just for pizza, and we all hit various soda machines. (which well, is still cheaper than a restaurant) ----- Joe Hourcle Digital Crescent, Inc. From booberry at io.com Thu Jul 15 12:27:47 1999 From: booberry at io.com (0x29A [B.Vandgrift]) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: Next month's meeting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Jul 1999, Joe Hourcle wrote: =>> On another topic, if we order pizza, how much should we charge each =>> person? Would $4 or $5 cover it? => =>Well, it depends. from my years of ordering pizza at gatherings, I've =>very rarely seen more than $7/person spent with the tip, but then, that =>was just for pizza, and we all hit various soda machines. (which well, is =>still cheaper than a restaurant) We've had great success with two approaches -- donations (whatever you want to give) and by the slice. Personally, I prefer donations. *clink, clink* --ben -- Ben Vandgrift http://www.io.com/~booberry ________________________________________________________________________ "I do not, nor will I ever tare my scales concerning what is right by the definitions of the general public." -- EB From casillo at ix20.ix.netcom.com Thu Jul 15 12:55:27 1999 From: casillo at ix20.ix.netcom.com (casillo) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: Meeting topics References: <199907131526.LAA14071@interlock2.lexmark.com> Message-ID: <378E208F.F0126961@popd.ix.netcom.com> I'd like a discussion on DBI. I think anyone could benefit from a discussion on using Perl to connect to databases, and the DBI module makes this a wonderful thing. I think beginners and gurus alike would gain, and maybe we could make the discussion two parts. The beginner side could be how to get, install, and use the module; the guru side could be something like building an example database-driven web site with DBI and Perl. Since Nat Torkington was at the last meeting, perhaps some of the morsels in the Perl Cookbook deserve discussion. I'm sure there are several clever snippets of Perl code among us for tasks like updating files in place, handling logs, or taking over the world to name a few. Weighing in (20 lbs. overweight), Gregg From Loren.Lang at Columbia.net Thu Jul 15 13:11:16 1999 From: Loren.Lang at Columbia.net (Lang Loren) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: RE: Meeting topics Message-ID: <66B429EB7AB4D1119A180000F81F6787013CD8CC@LOUEX01> I, too, would be interested in DBI (as well as some of the other topics) since I know very little about it indeed (as well as some of the other topics). The second part of this message brings up an interesting (to me, anyway) thought. Would anyone else be interested in starting some sort of code repository among the group? Not anything fancy (yet) but just some place to collect code snippets and special functions (things that aren't big enough for a module & CPAN) that we might have written to make them available to the rest. I realize that there are others out there, but it couldn't hurt, could it? Who knows - it might provide valuable insight into how Mik's mind actually works if we could read his code - or at least stare at it and glaze over...:-> ) I'd be willing to take maintain it if it seems like a good idea. I have more thoughts on how it could be used, but will keep to myself until further notice. Loren Lang Director of Information Systems Georgetown Community Hospital Phone: 502-868-1209 1140 Lexington Road Fax: 502-868-5607 Georgetown, KY 40324 e-mail: loren.lang@lifepointhospitals.com "Duct tape is like The Force: It has a Light Side and a Dark side, and it holds the universe together." > -----Original Message----- > From: casillo [SMTP:casillo@ix20.ix.netcom.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 1:55 PM > To: lexington-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org > Subject: LPM: Meeting topics > > I'd like a discussion on DBI. I think anyone could benefit from a > discussion on > using Perl to connect to databases, and the DBI module makes this a > wonderful > thing. I think beginners and gurus alike would gain, and maybe we could > make the > discussion two parts. The beginner side could be how to get, install, and > use the > module; the guru side could be something like building an example > database-driven > web site with DBI and Perl. > > Since Nat Torkington was at the last meeting, perhaps some of the morsels > in the > Perl Cookbook deserve discussion. I'm sure there are several clever > snippets of > Perl code among us for tasks like updating files in place, handling logs, > or > taking over the world to name a few. > > Weighing in (20 lbs. overweight), > Gregg > From rbowen at rcbowen.com Thu Jul 15 14:37:11 1999 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: Meeting topics References: <199907131526.LAA14071@interlock2.lexmark.com> <378E208F.F0126961@popd.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <378E3867.EC3CE1FE@rcbowen.com> casillo wrote: > > I'd like a discussion on DBI. I think anyone could benefit from a discussion on > using Perl to connect to databases, and the DBI module makes this a wonderful > thing. I think beginners and gurus alike would gain, and maybe we could make the > discussion two parts. The beginner side could be how to get, install, and use the > module; the guru side could be something like building an example database-driven > web site with DBI and Perl. I'd be willing to do the beginner side of that. I should be willing to do the "guru" side of it, since that's what I spend a lot of my time doing, but I'm not sure that I'd have sufficient time in the next month to do it well. > Since Nat Torkington was at the last meeting, perhaps some of the morsels in the > Perl Cookbook deserve discussion. I'm sure there are several clever snippets of > Perl code among us for tasks like updating files in place, handling logs, or > taking over the world to name a few. The Cookbook is a fantastic resource, but it is difficult to find stuff in it that related to what you are doing at that particular moment. It's really good to read in a one-a-day fashion. It might be cool to just have a talk where someone goes over 4 or 5 of the recipes that they had read (and understood). Kinda like MJD's "Hardware Store" talks. Rich -- It seems to me as we make our own few circles 'round the sun We get it backwards and our seven years go by like one --Rush, 'Dog Years' (Test for Echo, 1996) From rbowen at rcbowen.com Thu Jul 15 14:39:56 1999 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: RE: Meeting topics References: <66B429EB7AB4D1119A180000F81F6787013CD8CC@LOUEX01> Message-ID: <378E390C.8B9CC987@rcbowen.com> Lang Loren wrote: > The second part of this message brings up an interesting (to me, anyway) > thought. Would anyone else be interested in starting some sort of code > repository among the group? Not anything fancy (yet) but just some place to > collect code snippets and special functions (things that aren't big enough > for a module & CPAN) that we might have written to make them available to > the rest. Well, we've certainly got the space for it. brian d foy and the Mongers don't mind how much space we use, as long as it's Perl related. And I can see that being a good resource, if it is well annotated and well indexed. Rich -- It seems to me as we make our own few circles 'round the sun We get it backwards and our seven years go by like one --Rush, 'Dog Years' (Test for Echo, 1996) From rbowen at rcbowen.com Thu Jul 15 14:53:39 1999 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: Subroutine references, or something ... Message-ID: <378E3C43.F6BDF679@rcbowen.com> I do thing weird thing where I figure out which subroutine I'm going to call based on arguments/parameters. Then I'll do something like: ($foo, $bar) = &{$routine}(@args); Works fine. The problem is that if I "use strict", I get "Can't use string ("whatever") as a subroutine ref while "strict refs" in use at fubar.pl line 99." My solution thus far has been to "use strict 'vars';" But I would like to understand what that error message really means, and how I can do what I'm doing another way, so that I can "use strict". Any help or pointers (references?) greatly appreciated. Rich -- It seems to me as we make our own few circles 'round the sun We get it backwards and our seven years go by like one --Rush, 'Dog Years' (Test for Echo, 1996) From sml at zfx.com Thu Jul 15 15:07:05 1999 From: sml at zfx.com (Steve Lane) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: Subroutine references, or something ... References: <378E3C43.F6BDF679@rcbowen.com> Message-ID: <378E3F69.23D3@zfx.com> Rich Bowen wrote: > I do thing weird thing where I figure out which subroutine I'm going to > call based on arguments/parameters. Then I'll do something like: > > ($foo, $bar) = &{$routine}(@args); > > Works fine. > > The problem is that if I "use strict", I get "Can't use string > ("whatever") as a subroutine ref while "strict refs" in use at fubar.pl > line 99." > > My solution thus far has been to "use strict 'vars';" But I would like > to understand what that error message really means, and how I can do > what I'm doing another way, so that I can "use strict". Any help or > pointers (references?) greatly appreciated. the error message should tell you what's happening. $routine must be a string that contains a subroutine name. you're using it as a symbolic reference in your statement, and this is prohibited under "use strict;", which contains "use strict 'refs';". i think (i'm not yet a master of symrefs) is to either put a "no strict 'refs';" before the statement, or to use an eval() instead. -- Steve Lane From grdodson at lexmark.com Thu Jul 15 15:20:35 1999 From: grdodson at lexmark.com (grdodson@lexmark.com) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: Subroutine references, or something ... Message-ID: <199907152020.QAA24327@interlock2.lexmark.com> The syntax: ($foo, $bar) = &{$routine}(@args); is what is called an "symbolic reference" and used to be the only way to do references (perl 4). The downside is that it is slow and can be a sign that you have a bug (maybe you didn't want a reference in the first place). The way around this that is OK with "strict refs" is to use a "hard" reference. For example if I store a bunch of subs in a hash and then call the sub I want based on a hash key: use strict; my %subhash = ( sub1 => sub { my $a = shift; print "Sub1 $a\n" }, sub2 => sub { my $a = shift; print "Sub2 $a\n" }, sub3 => sub { my $a = shift; print "Sub3 $a\n" }, ); &{$subhash{sub1}}("arg1"); &{$subhash{sub2}}("arg22"); &{$subhash{sub3}}("arg333"); my $s = "sub2" &{$subhash{$s}}("args"); exit; Produces the following output Sub1 arg1 Sub2 arg22 Sub3 arg333 Sub2 args Hope that helps. Check out the "Blue Cammel" page 254. Thanks. Graydon Dodson grdodson@lexmark.com Lexmark International Inc. ----- Begin Included Message ----- From rbowen%rcbowen.com at interlock.lexmark.com Thu Jul 15 14:53:39 1999 From: rbowen%rcbowen.com at interlock.lexmark.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: Subroutine references, or something ... Message-ID: I do thing weird thing where I figure out which subroutine I'm going to call based on arguments/parameters. Then I'll do something like: ($foo, $bar) = &{$routine}(@args); Works fine. The problem is that if I "use strict", I get "Can't use string ("whatever") as a subroutine ref while "strict refs" in use at fubar.pl line 99." My solution thus far has been to "use strict 'vars';" But I would like to understand what that error message really means, and how I can do what I'm doing another way, so that I can "use strict". Any help or pointers (references?) greatly appreciated. Rich -- It seems to me as we make our own few circles 'round the sun We get it backwards and our seven years go by like one --Rush, 'Dog Years' (Test for Echo, 1996) ----- End Included Message ----- From fireston at lexmark.com Fri Jul 16 07:15:57 1999 From: fireston at lexmark.com (Mik Firestone) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: Subroutine references, or something ... In-Reply-To: <378E3C43.F6BDF679@rcbowen.com> Message-ID: <199907161213.IAA08526@interlock2.lexmark.com> Rich, others have explained the problem but ( as I was driving home ) it occurred to me you may not have the solution :) To my memory, I got this either from the cookbook or CGI.pm. Basically, to get around this problem make a hash of function references. To use your example, it would look something like: %functions = ( this => \&dothis, that => \&dothat, exit => \&exit, ); . . . # Lots of wonderful code happens here if ( defined ( $functions( $routine ) ) ) { ($foo,$bar) = $functions{$routine}->(@args); } else { die "I am sorry, I cannot do $routine!\n"; } This will run under use strict and gives you pretty much the same functionality. On the downside, you have to remember to add each new function that you need to the hash ( which is why I usually include the if-else structure ). HTH, Mik -- Mik Firestone fireston@lexmark.com When I become an Evil Overlord: I will not grow a goatee. In the old days they made you look diabolic. Now they just make you look like a disaffected member of Generation X. On Thu, 15 Jul 1999, Rich Bowen wrote: > I do thing weird thing where I figure out which subroutine I'm going to > call based on arguments/parameters. Then I'll do something like: > > ($foo, $bar) = &{$routine}(@args); > > Works fine. > > The problem is that if I "use strict", I get "Can't use string > ("whatever") as a subroutine ref while "strict refs" in use at fubar.pl > line 99." > > My solution thus far has been to "use strict 'vars';" But I would like > to understand what that error message really means, and how I can do > what I'm doing another way, so that I can "use strict". Any help or > pointers (references?) greatly appreciated. > > Rich > From rbowen at rcbowen.com Fri Jul 16 07:47:42 1999 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: Subroutine references, or something ... References: <199907161213.IAA08526@interlock2.lexmark.com> Message-ID: <378F29EE.43AD1536@rcbowen.com> Mik Firestone wrote: > > Rich, others have explained the problem but ( as I was driving home ) it > occurred to me you may not have the solution :) To my memory, I got this > either from the cookbook or CGI.pm. Basically, to get around this problem > make a hash of function references. To use your example, it would look > something like: > %functions = ( this => \&dothis, > that => \&dothat, > exit => \&exit, > ); > . . . # Lots of wonderful code happens here > if ( defined ( $functions( $routine ) ) ) { > ($foo,$bar) = $functions{$routine}->(@args); > } > else { > die "I am sorry, I cannot do $routine!\n"; > } > > This will run under use strict and gives you pretty much the same > functionality. On the downside, you have to remember to add each new function > that you need to the hash ( which is why I usually include the if-else > structure ). Thanks. That helps immensely. I was trying to figure out how to incorporate Graydon and Steve's comments into my code, and was not getting very far. It did not occur to me to put subroutine references into the function hash. Very sneaky. I usually have to maintain an array of valid subroutines anyway, so that I don't call an undefined function by mistake, so that's not any additional hardship. Thanks all for your input. This makes life easier. Rich -- It seems to me as we make our own few circles 'round the sun We get it backwards and our seven years go by like one --Rush, 'Dog Years' (Test for Echo, 1996) From soward at uky.edu Fri Jul 16 13:14:45 1999 From: soward at uky.edu (John Soward) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: Inappropriate post Message-ID: <378F7695.BCDD47AC@uky.edu> I realize this is probably an inappropriate use of the list, but since we only have openings ever couple of years at best, you probably won't here from me again. If you aren't interested in job offers, press delete now, if you are or know someone who might be, please ask them to apply and/or contact me for more details... And, yes, there's a 100% chance that you'll be using PERL at either job! > Prog Sys Sr Sys Prog Univ Computing > > SG18477 46 BS 2Y 36,795-60,736/y > > Senior Systems Programmer to work with a variety of computing platforms. Must have > experience in a production environment. Programming experience is essential. > Familiarity with the Unix and Windows NT operating systems is highly desirable. > > > > > Prog Sys Sr Sys Prog Univ Computing > > SG18483 46 BS 2Y 36,795-60,736/y > > Senior Systems Programmer to work with High Performance Computing systems. Must have > experience in a large Unix environment. Experience with multiprocessor and parallel > systems is highly desirable. A mathematical or scientific background would be useful. -- John Soward Lead Systems Programmer, Technical Services, University of Kentucky p: 606.257.2900x298 e:soward@uky.edu w: http://neworder.cc.uky.edu/ From rbowen at rcbowen.com Sat Jul 17 14:19:39 1999 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: Next month's meeting References: <378CD09F.77509B14@mullikin.com> <9AE27C7167B@fetterprinting.com> <4.1.19990714230456.036c8570@mail.ket.org> Message-ID: <3790D74B.B833FD27@rcbowen.com> David Hempy wrote: ... > Doesn't matter to me... I'll reserve a room here at KET if you give me the > thumbs-up, Rich. Lacking any other volunteers, I can also do some poster > patrol, as I'm near campus. It will give me an excuse to stomp across > campus again. I can also pass word along to the Central Kentucky Computer > Society, and hopefully we can get in a newsletter before then. ... OK, well then unless we hear violent objections from the peanut gallery, let's plan on the following: Monday, August 9th. Meeting place: Room at KET that David will get us directions for. Agenda: 6:00pm. Beginner talk. Topic to be decided 6:45pm. Dinner. Pizza. Bring $5 to cover the cost. 7:30pm. Non-Beginner level talk. Topic to be decided. Let's try to get topics decided real soon - say, by Friday, so that we can get some posters up around campus and various offices. Rich -- It seems to me as we make our own few circles 'round the sun We get it backwards and our seven years go by like one --Rush, 'Dog Years' (Test for Echo, 1996) From hempy at ket.org Thu Jul 22 13:58:31 1999 From: hempy at ket.org (David Hempy) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: August 9th meeting In-Reply-To: <3790D74B.B833FD27@rcbowen.com> References: <378CD09F.77509B14@mullikin.com> <9AE27C7167B@fetterprinting.com> <4.1.19990714230456.036c8570@mail.ket.org> Message-ID: <4.1.19990722144407.036bff10@mail.ket.org> Okay, it's official. We've got a room here at KET on Monday, August 9th from 6:00 pm. It will seat around 20, has Internet access and a big screen TV. There is a Win95 machine for our use, or a network connection if you care to bring your own. The machine doesn't have Perl on it, but I can see about having it installed by then if anyone requests it. Would it be a worthwhile venture to install Perl on it during the beginner section? I suspect that wouldn't leave much time for DBI discussion, which I'm keenly interested in. I'll also make sure it's got a telnet client installed. KET is located in the shadow of UK's football stadium, next to LCC. From Nicholasville Road/South Limestone, turn east onto Cooper Drive. (Turning west puts you onto Waller Avenue...not good.) Go through two lights and admire the big KET building on the right at 600 Cooper Drive, the last thing before the tree-laden subdivision. (Don't be fooled by the little KET building...you want the big KET building.) Park anywhere and enter near the flag pole. Sign in and the security guard will point you in the right direction. If you arrive late and the guard has gone on his rounds, walk back toward the street and go to the corner of the building closest to the tennis courts and tap on the glass doors. We'll take a head count and order pizza or similar at 6:15. -dave >Monday, August 9th. >Meeting place: Room at KET that David will get us directions for. >Agenda: > 6:00pm. Beginner talk. Topic to be decided > 6:45pm. Dinner. Pizza. Bring $5 to cover the cost. > 7:30pm. Non-Beginner level talk. Topic to be decided. > >Let's try to get topics decided real soon - say, by Friday, so that we >can get some posters up around campus and various offices. > >Rich >-- -- David Hempy Internet Database Administrator Kentucky Educational Television From rbowen at rcbowen.com Thu Jul 22 14:47:31 1999 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: August 9th meeting References: <378CD09F.77509B14@mullikin.com> <9AE27C7167B@fetterprinting.com> <4.1.19990714230456.036c8570@mail.ket.org> <4.1.19990722144407.036bff10@mail.ket.org> Message-ID: <37977553.A1D75999@rcbowen.com> David Hempy wrote: > > Okay, it's official. We've got a room here at KET on Monday, August 9th > from 6:00 pm. I'll try to make up a poster tonight, unless someone else beats me to it. It never hurts to have two ... > The machine doesn't have Perl on it, but I can see about having it > installed by then if anyone requests it. Would it be a worthwhile venture > to install Perl on it during the beginner section? I suspect that wouldn't > leave much time for DBI discussion, which I'm keenly interested in. I'll > also make sure it's got a telnet client installed. I have ActivePerl on CD, and it takes all of 3 minutes to install it. Most of that time is spent generating HTML documentation from POD, which it actually does at install time. Kinda cool. So, uh, what's the agenda? Who's talking on what? Rich -- It seems to me as we make our own few circles 'round the sun We get it backwards and our seven years go by like one --Rush, 'Dog Years' (Test for Echo, 1996) From oneiros at dcr.net Thu Jul 22 14:58:10 1999 From: oneiros at dcr.net (Joe Hourcle) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: August 9th meeting In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990722144407.036bff10@mail.ket.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, David Hempy wrote: > Okay, it's official. We've got a room here at KET on Monday, August 9th > from 6:00 pm. It will seat around 20, has Internet access and a big screen > TV. There is a Win95 machine for our use, or a network connection if you > care to bring your own. Just for whoever ends up talking, is the Win95 machine attached to anything or presentation purposes? (ie, could they have their planned discussion already on a web page, so they could just scroll through, and everyone could see it, or is it just hooked up to some little wussy monitor?) ----- Joe Hourcle Digital Crescent, Inc. From rbowen at rcbowen.com Thu Jul 22 15:01:05 1999 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: August 9th meeting References: <378CD09F.77509B14@mullikin.com> <9AE27C7167B@fetterprinting.com> <4.1.19990714230456.036c8570@mail.ket.org> <4.1.19990722144407.036bff10@mail.ket.org> Message-ID: <37977881.5A146A1A@rcbowen.com> David Hempy wrote: > > Okay, it's official. We've got a room here at KET on Monday, August 9th > from 6:00 pm. It will seat around 20, has Internet access and a big screen > TV. There is a Win95 machine for our use, or a network connection if you > care to bring your own. Question: Is this network running DHCP, or will I have to reconfigure my TCP/IP settings to get my laptop online? Rich -- It seems to me as we make our own few circles 'round the sun We get it backwards and our seven years go by like one --Rush, 'Dog Years' (Test for Echo, 1996) From hempy at ket.org Thu Jul 22 15:15:29 1999 From: hempy at ket.org (David Hempy) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: August 9th meeting In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.19990722144407.036bff10@mail.ket.org> Message-ID: <4.1.19990722161248.036be010@mail.ket.org> >Just for whoever ends up talking, is the Win95 machine attached to >anything or presentation purposes? (ie, could they have their planned >discussion already on a web page, so they could just scroll through, and >everyone could see it, or is it just hooked up to some little wussy >monitor?) The computer is piped through the TV, which is about a 31" TV. Fine for looking at web pages and such, but if we're talking about picking apart the line noise some call perl, we may need to crank up the font size a bit. No problem there. >Question: Is this network running DHCP, or will I have to reconfigure my >TCP/IP settings to get my laptop online? No. Yes. -dave -- David Hempy Internet Database Administrator Kentucky Educational Television From rbowen at rcbowen.com Tue Jul 27 11:34:37 1999 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: Volunteers needed Message-ID: <379DDF9D.945B7971@rcbowen.com> OK, we need to nail down who will be speaking about what at the meeting next month. First half, I guess I'll talk about DBI, and use the Win95 machine in there to demonstrate installing Perl, and DBI, on a Win32 system, in the first 5 or 10 minutes. Then, we have pizza. Who's going to talk in the "advanced" segment? If nobody volunteers right away, perhaps we can get some suggestions about what people would like to hear about. Rich -- It seems to me as we make our own few circles 'round the sun We get it backwards and our seven years go by like one --Rush, 'Dog Years' (Test for Echo, 1996) From fireston at lexmark.com Tue Jul 27 13:31:18 1999 From: fireston at lexmark.com (Mik Firestone) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: Volunteers needed In-Reply-To: <379DDF9D.945B7971@rcbowen.com> Message-ID: <199907271828.OAA16333@interlock2.lexmark.com> Rich, one of the other ideas that had been discussed was a 'Bring your perl problems and many of us will try to solve them' ( somewhat in the fashion of monkeys writing Shakespeare :) session. If nobody speaks up for the 'expert' section, we may want to see if this idea actually works. Mik -- Mik Firestone fireston@lexmark.com When I become an Evil Overlord: My Legions of Terror will be trained in basic marksmanship. Any who cannot learn to hit a man-sized target at 10 meters will be used for target practice. On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Rich Bowen wrote: > OK, we need to nail down who will be speaking about what at the meeting > next month. > > First half, I guess I'll talk about DBI, and use the Win95 machine in > there to demonstrate installing Perl, and DBI, on a Win32 system, in the > first 5 or 10 minutes. > > Then, we have pizza. > > Who's going to talk in the "advanced" segment? If nobody volunteers > right away, perhaps we can get some suggestions about what people would > like to hear about. > > Rich > From oneiros at dcr.net Tue Jul 27 14:01:36 1999 From: oneiros at dcr.net (Joe Hourcle) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: Volunteers needed In-Reply-To: <199907271828.OAA16333@interlock2.lexmark.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Mik Firestone wrote: > Rich, one of the other ideas that had been discussed was a 'Bring your perl > problems and many of us will try to solve them' ( somewhat in the fashion of > monkeys writing Shakespeare :) session. Oh, sure, just compare us to monkeys. As much as I dislike the 'open source' hype, it fits more into that category: From "The Cathedral and the Bazaar", by ESR: 8. Given a large enough beta-tester and co-developer base, almost every problem will be characterized quickly and the fix obvious to someone. (ie, as we all have different backgrounds and different approaches towards coding, someone else might have insight into your problem) > If nobody speaks up for the 'expert' section, we may want to see if this idea > actually works. Sounds good to me, even if I don't have any major problems right now. ----- Joe Hourcle Digital Crescent, Inc. From rbowen at rcbowen.com Thu Jul 29 14:08:03 1999 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: August meeting Message-ID: <37A0A693.10869474@rcbowen.com> OK, unless someone speaks up to the contrary, here's the agenda for the August meeting. August 9th, 6pm Lexington Community College (Directions will be available on the web site) Bring $5 for pizza. 6:00 pm, or as shortly after that as possible: Rich Bowen: DBI - Talking to your databases with Perl. Brief how-to on installing Perl on Win32, and installing Perl modules on Win32. Anyone else with experience on DBI is encouraged to bring example code, tricks, and tips. 6:45 pm. Pizza and general Perl-ish discussion. 7:30 pm. Many Monkeys - Bring your Perl questions and dilemmas, and allow many monkeys to bang on them, and suggest solutions. A door prize of Perl Poetry Magnets will be given to either the most fiendishly difficult problem that nobody can solve, or the most fiendishly clever solution. By the way, in the "Many Monkeys" theme, I read a quote recently, something along the lines of: Conventional wisdom has it that an infinite number of monkeys pounding on an infinite number of keyboards will eventually produce the works of Shakespeare. Thanks to the Internet, we now know that is not true. I'll make a poster and put it up on the www.lexington.pm web site in the next hour or so. Please download a copy and put it up in your place of work, public restrooms, and whereever else you think it would do the most good. Rich -- It seems to me as we make our own few circles 'round the sun We get it backwards and our seven years go by like one --Rush, 'Dog Years' (Test for Echo, 1996) From hempy at ket.org Thu Jul 29 14:31:25 1999 From: hempy at ket.org (David Hempy) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: August meeting In-Reply-To: <37A0A693.10869474@rcbowen.com> Message-ID: <4.1.19990729152644.037995a0@mail.ket.org> At 03:08 PM 7/29/99 -0400, you wrote: >OK, unless someone speaks up to the contrary, here's the agenda for the >August meeting. > >August 9th, 6pm >Lexington Community College (Directions will be available on the web >site) >Bring $5 for pizza. Unless plans have changed, I am assuming we are still meeting at KET, not LCC. KET is next door to LCC. I've got a room reserved for us here for Monday, August 9th. I regret that I will be in Colorado that evening ("regret" may be a bit strong... ;-p) but my co-worker Gregg Casillo will be running the show. Most of you have met Gregg at the last two meetings. -dave -- David Hempy Internet Database Administrator Kentucky Educational Television From rbowen at rcbowen.com Thu Jul 29 14:47:31 1999 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:22 2004 Subject: LPM: August meeting References: <4.1.19990729152644.037995a0@mail.ket.org> Message-ID: <37A0AFD3.37771187@rcbowen.com> David Hempy wrote: > > Unless plans have changed, I am assuming we are still meeting at KET, not > LCC. KET is next door to LCC. I've got a room reserved for us here for > Monday, August 9th. I regret that I will be in Colorado that evening > ("regret" may be a bit strong... ;-p) but my co-worker Gregg Casillo will > be running the show. Most of you have met Gregg at the last two meetings. > Ack! I'll fix it ASAP. I knew that. Sorry Rich -- It seems to me as we make our own few circles 'round the sun We get it backwards and our seven years go by like one --Rush, 'Dog Years' (Test for Echo, 1996)