From eric at uc.org Wed Apr 6 10:34:33 2005 From: eric at uc.org (Eric - fishbot) Date: Wed Apr 6 10:34:59 2005 Subject: [kw-pm] Perl 6 Watch - Pugs and S29 Message-ID: I thought that as KWPM Unofficial Perl 6 watcher, I would provide a bit of an update. Of the things I think are cool, but might have slipped past the gaze of the casual P6 observer. Pugs ----------------- Overview of Pug Project: http://svn.perl.org/perl6/pugs/trunk/docs/01Overview.html Pugs is a Perl6 implementation in GHC Haskell. Apparently Haskell is particularly suited to Perl6 work for its native laziness and continuations. This allowed the system to be prototyped in a week, and a base implementation was released inside a month. The intent with Pug appears to be more along the lines of language prototyping and ironing out syntax and structural issues with the language itself, independent of Parrot... but not to supplant Parrot. Interestingly, (I think) Parrot and Pugs are currently excelling in non-overlapping areas: - Parrot's low level operations are very fast and optimised - but you currently cannot compile Perl6 to Parrot bytecode - Pugs has fair and rapidly extending coverage of Perl6, and is able to compile it quickly to bytecode... but the resulting bytecode is apparently quite slow. (100x slower than Perl5) Pugs project leader Autrijus Tang is planning to attend YAPC::NA in Toronto, and possibly hang around afterwards for a Pugs hacking session with those interested. If anyone is interested, please let me know... I am considering connecting with this on some level, if only in the docs or testing realm. YAPC is June 27-29, 2005 -- so if there are interested people, I could envision finding time to convene a Pugs primer hacking session. S29 - Draft -------------------- Rod Adams has started piecing together a spec that corresponds to Chapter 29 in the Camel Book - Native Functions/Operators. A lot of things have been suggested for Perl 6 in a lot of different context (ie. chop() dies, each() survives, reduce{}() is born)... but little bits in different places is slowing down the Pugs team. The Draft is here for now: http://www.rodadams.net/Perl/S29.html He is documenting how he believes the multi sub/method signatures would be declared... and in some cases providing implementations: multi sub pop () returns Scalar { pop @CALLER::_; } &pop := &splice.assuming(:offset(-1) :length(1)); The pop() is my favourite example so far. In those three fairly simple lines we get a look at the power and flexibility of the new dispatch structure. We see an explicit wrapper for the null-arg variant of pop, which calls the array-arg variant after grabbing the caller's @_. Then the the array-arg variant is declared as a wrapper using a straight bind to splice, using the cool .assuming method of closures/subs/methods to create wrapper references. It looks like he is a little under halfway through... if you discount IPC functions and system functions, which remain pretty hazy at this time. Larry hasn't weighed in on IPC yet... I can't decide if that is because something very cool is coming, or because it will end up being simply a fairly vanilla core module with no deep magic. That's all for this iteration. See everyone on the 28th! fishbot :wq From john at perlwolf.com Wed Apr 6 12:13:10 2005 From: john at perlwolf.com (John Macdonald) Date: Wed Apr 6 11:04:18 2005 Subject: [kw-pm] Perl 6 Watch - Pugs and S29 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050406191310.GA20637@lupus.perlwolf.com> (original was on kw-pm; to.pm added for this reply) On Wed, Apr 06, 2005 at 01:34:33PM -0400, Eric - fishbot wrote: > > Pugs project leader Autrijus Tang is planning to attend YAPC::NA > in Toronto, and possibly hang around afterwards for a Pugs > hacking session with those interested. If anyone is interested, > please let me know... I am considering connecting with this on > some level, if only in the docs or testing realm. YAPC is June > 27-29, 2005 -- so if there are interested people, I could > envision finding time to convene a Pugs primer hacking session. The timeslot has moved. The hack-a-thon will be the "weekend" before the conference (starting on Thursday June 23, so it's a 4-day impromptu long weekend). Details at: http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl6.compiler/487 People interested in going should let me know. (There is a limited amount of space, so if we're getting too many people wanting to come, it'll probably be restricted based on which people are the most important contributors to pugs.) There may also be a need for drivers to collect people from Pearson airport and drive them to the hack-a-thon (my cottage, north of Peterborough). That will depend upon how widely scattered the arrival times of the participants happens to be. (I have a minivan, and another person with a minivan has volunteered; so probably that is sufficient unless the event gets maximally loaded.) -- From arguile at lucentstudios.com Fri Apr 8 07:39:19 2005 From: arguile at lucentstudios.com (Arguile) Date: Fri Apr 8 06:47:30 2005 Subject: [kw-pm] Perl 6 Watch - Pugs and S29 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1112971159.490.300.camel@broadswd.local> On Wed, 2005-04-06 at 13:34, Eric - fishbot wrote: > Pugs > ----------------- > Overview of Pug Project: > http://svn.perl.org/perl6/pugs/trunk/docs/01Overview.html > > Pugs is a Perl6 implementation in GHC Haskell. Apparently > Haskell is particularly suited to Perl6 work for its native > laziness and continuations. This allowed the system to be > prototyped in a week, and a base implementation was released > inside a month. I heard this a little while ago, my two favourite language together! Anyone interested in Haskell is more than welcome to borrow a book or two: The Haskell School of Expression Haskell: The Craft of Functional Programming Algoriths: A Functional Programming Approach (examples in Haskell) Purely Functional Data Stuctures (examples in ML, corresponding Haskell one in the appendix). If you're just starting out I'd recommend the "Craft" book. First come, first serve if you're interested. From eric at uc.org Fri Apr 8 08:32:20 2005 From: eric at uc.org (Eric - fishbot) Date: Fri Apr 8 08:32:35 2005 Subject: [kw-pm] Perl 6 Watch - Pugs and S29 In-Reply-To: <1112971159.490.300.camel@broadswd.local> References: <1112971159.490.300.camel@broadswd.local> Message-ID: > If you're just starting out I'd recommend the "Craft" > book. First come, first serve if you're interested. If I am 'first come' still, I would like to borrow the Craft book from the April meeting until the May meeting, if that is acceptable. I know you are extremely busy, so I suspect I know the answer to this, but would you consider giving a Haskell primer and a Pugs overview at some point? fishbot From glim at mycybernet.net Sun Apr 10 09:16:00 2005 From: glim at mycybernet.net (Gerard Lim) Date: Sun Apr 10 09:35:13 2005 Subject: [kw-pm] Reminder: Yet Another Perl Conference in Toronto, June 27 - 29 Message-ID: Yet Another YAPC::NA 2005 Conference Reminder --------------------------------------------- YAPC::NA 2005 is Yet Another Perl Conference, North America, this year to be held in downtown Toronto, Ontario, Canada, Mon - Wed 27 - 29 June 2005. Important Dates/Deadlines ------------------------- April 18 -- deadline for paper submissions May 12 -- last day of guaranteed accommodations YAPC::NA is a grassroots, all-volunteer conference. The speaker quality is high, the participants lively, and there are many extra social activities scheduled. We expect a bit over 400 people this year, and registration is proceeding faster this year than in the past. The registration cost is USD$85. Information on registration: http://yapc.org/America/register-2005.shtml http://yapc.org/America/registration-announcement-2005.txt Direct link to registration: http://donate.perlfoundation.org/index.pl?node=registrant%20info&conference_id=423 Want to be a speaker? Deadline for proposal submission is April 18, just over 1 week from now. Go to: http://yapc.org/America/cfp-2005.shtml Need accommodations in Toronto? Go to: http://yapc.org/America/accommodations-2005.shtml If you book before May 13 you will be guaranteed a hotel space. After that getting accommodations will become progressively more difficult. Prices we have arranged are in two different price ranges: approximately US$50 for a dorm room, US$72 for a decent hotel room. All accommodations are very nearby the conference venue. This message comes from the YAPC::NA 2005 organizers in Toronto.pm, http://to.pm.org/, on behalf of The Perl Foundation, http://www.perlfoundation.org/ We look forward to seeing you in Toronto! If you have any questions please contact na-help@yapc.org From fhew3 at cogeco.ca Sun Apr 10 14:54:20 2005 From: fhew3 at cogeco.ca (Fulko Hew) Date: Sun Apr 10 14:54:35 2005 Subject: [kw-pm] March 2005 - TPM Audio Archive availability announcement Message-ID: <4259A08C.7010004@cogeco.ca> The Audio Archive of the March 2005 meeting of the Toronto Perl Mongers group is now available online. This month's talk is called "CGI Programming We're Really Proud Of" by Michael Graham & Richard Dice. The URL for the archives is: http://hew.ca/talks_audio/ From daniel at coder.com Tue Apr 12 14:38:24 2005 From: daniel at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Tue Apr 12 14:40:51 2005 Subject: [kw-pm] reminder: this month's meeting is on Thurs. the 28th Message-ID: As a reminder, this month's meeting is on the 28th, the 4th thursday instead of the usual 3rd thursday. There will be a reminder a week then a couple days beforehand, complete with reminders to sign up for pizza. This month, for the third in a row, someone has stepped forward to spring for the pizza. Thanks, anonymous benefactor! -Daniel From dcarr at sdf.lonestar.org Thu Apr 14 01:55:59 2005 From: dcarr at sdf.lonestar.org (lloyd carr) Date: Thu Apr 14 01:56:20 2005 Subject: [kw-pm] reminder: this month's meeting is on Thurs. the 28th In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > As a reminder, this month's meeting is on the 28th, the 4th thursday > instead of the usual 3rd thursday. It's that darn unionized gnome Zookrick isn't it? What? Bank holiday on the 3rd Thursday? Good for nothing, layabout, gnome :-( From daniel at coder.com Sun Apr 24 11:32:25 2005 From: daniel at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Sun Apr 24 11:36:22 2005 Subject: [kw-pm] Book Review: SpamAssassin Message-ID: Here's my review of the SpamAssassin book which O'Reilly sent me some time ago. (Get your own review copy of any of their books, just let me know what title you'd like and they will send it. KW.pm also has the same agreement with Manning and Apress.) --- SpamAssassin, by Alan Shwartz. Published by O'Reilly, 2004 Price including user-group discounts: approx. $30 CAD; $22 USD. It's not an exaggeration to say that SpamAssassin has saved my bacon over the last three years. I've had the same domain-name and email address since 1996. Consequently, my domain is on quite a few spam marketering lists. I get an average of 800 spam messages a day at my main email address. Only about 25 of them make it past spamassassin. SpamAssassin is the most widely known spam filter. While it's not the only one, it's gained a reputation for stability, effectiveness, and relative ease of use. Basic installation usually only involves a few hours' work, which includes reading and understanding the documentation. The installation itself, from CPAN, takes only a few minutes. In this case, since it's easy to use, why shell out approximately $30 CAD for a dead-tree book on SpamAssassin? I see three reasons: the book is reasonably up-to-date and I expect it will be up to date for the next year at least (covering the latest major version, 3.0, as well as the previous version, 2.6). It has more complete information than I've been able to find elsewhere. And it is more convenient than the online docs for making comparisons between different spamassassin setups. The book is composed of nine chapters. The first two are introductory, the third covers rules and tests, including writing one's own tests, and the fourth covers automated learning by autowhitelisting and baysean filtering. They go into reasonable depth. They are roughly what I had previously learned from the doc pages, plus some nice content on writing your own tests that I found easier to read than the online docs. The next four chapters cover integrating spamassassin with the four most popular open-source MTAs, sendmail, postfix, qmail, and exim. Each one covers MTA architecture, and various methods for setting up spamassassin (such as during SMTP, after initial reciept, or on final delivery to the user). These go into nice detail, with particular package addons to make things easier for each MTA. One example is MIMEDefang, a popular add-on mail filter which can quarentine attachments and scan for viruses. Don't make the mistake I did at first by flipping to my preferred MTA and skipping the other three sections. The MIMEDefang section is only found in the sendmail chapter, although MIMEDefang is useful for all four MTAs. The Exim section is the only one to discuss a fascinating strategy called "teergrubbing", or using your MTA as a "tar pit", identifying the spam while the SMTP connection is in prgress and slowing down the connection, thus tying up the spammers' mail server for as long as possible. The last chapter, "Using SpamAssassin as a Proxy," leads me to my only real criticism of the book. This chapter seems slapped onto the end. It should have been titled "Using Spamassassin as a Windows Client Proxy." The assumption is that you'll be running the proxy on a Windows client; no mention of Apple or Linux here. There is an appendix of online resources for further study. For me as a sysadmin, I would consider it worth the time to purchase and browse this book. It won't entirely replace a good conversation with another sysadmin who has already installed the latest version, but it will give you a much broader understanding of what you're capable of doing with SpamAssassin with a minimum of fuss. -Daniel From daniel at coder.com Sun Apr 24 11:37:10 2005 From: daniel at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Sun Apr 24 11:41:04 2005 Subject: [kw-pm] Google needs Perl Mongers... (fwd) Message-ID: cut and forwarded from a Google recruiter... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:25:41 -0700 From: Jeff Polo My name is Jeff Polo. I'm a technical recruiter for Google. Google is currently seeking several Unix/Linux experts with strong Perl skills for a couple of positions in Dublin, Ireland or Mountain View, California. I was wondering if it would be possible for you to post this information or let your members know about this opportunity. If so, I've pasted the 2 job descriptions below. If it's not possible, I understand. I don't mean invade your technical list with a job posting, but this is such a great opportunity, and Google is seeking the very best Engineers from around the world and I feel there must be dozens of Perl experts out there with the expertise to have an interest in exploring these opportunities. I'm hoping I can find some of them on your list via my posting. I will respond to all that apply to my email address. Thank you for your consideration and time. Sincerely, Jeff Jeff Polo Google Staffing Office: 650-623-4767 Cell: 408-893-4907 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Senior Software Engineer/Unix System & Network Administrator, Google.com (SRE) Positions based in Mountain View, CA and in our European Operations HQ in Dublin, Ireland. Are you part ace coder, part adrenalin junkie? Do you have a knack for seeing a problem and immediately discerning the likely solution? 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Google.com engineers tackle challenging, novel situations every day, and work with just about every other engineering and operations team in the process. Qualifications: * Strong programming/scripting skills in any of the following: C, C++, Java, Perl, Python. * Senior Level experience with Unix system administration. * Strong understanding of networking; understanding of how to isolate, diagnose, and resolve service delivery components (service delivery components include servers, networks, and applications); be familiar with the functionality, operating, and failure modes of key networking devices (routers, switches, bridges, firewalls, hardware load balancers); be able to identify networking as the potential cause of a service issue using server-resident tools to generate this data (tcpdump, ping, traceroute, etc.); familiarity in interpreting the output of these tools; familiarity with common network topologies, protocols, and tools; have some notion of common network security exploits -- and their remedies; understanding of troubleshooting at the packet level. * Strong project management skills, especially in deploying live end-user systems. * In-depth knowledge of Unix (preferably Linux), and shell scripting. * Proven technical troubleshooting experience. * Excellent analytic ability, strong communication skills, and a strong sense of urgency. * Ability to handle periodic on-call duty as well as out-of-band requests. * 6-15+ years experience for Senior SWE position, or 3-8 years experience for SWE position. * BA/BS in CS, or equivalent experience. For immediate consideration, please send a text (ASCII) or HTML version of your resume jpolo@google.com. Important: The subject field of your email must include Senior Software Engineer/Unix System & Network Administrator, Google.com (SRE) - Mountain View or Senior Software Engineer/Unix System & Network Administrator, Google.com (SRE) - EU Headquarters Senior Systems Administrator/Architect, Google.com (SRE) Position based in Mountain View, CA. * Are you a detail-oriented systems professional, seasoned Unix jockey, Internet services architect, database whiz, performance analyst, or software engineer, at the top of your game? * Looking for the next cool problem to solve, in a fast-paced and engineering-driven environment? * Can you write a script or application that performs practically the entire job you once held earlier in your career? * Does your idea of a good time involve taking things apart just to see how they work? Are you successful putting them back together when you're done? * Can you help achieve increased Availability, Reliability, Uptime, and Quality? (for our systems and services, naturally) If you answered "Yes" to more than three of the above questions, you may have what it takes. Keep reading. Google.com Engineers are involved in all aspects of running our site. From design to debug, from architecture to applications, Google.com engineers spend their time troubleshooting problems in large-scale clustered application service environments, and focus on making continual improvements to our services. Working for Google.com, you will wear many hats: performance analyst, service architect, system/database administrator, capacity planner, tools developer, monitoring expert, and technical evangelist, for all components of Google.com's services. This position requires a passion for problem solving, deep understanding of networks, operating systems, multi-tiered Internet services, and the ability to learn new applications and concepts quickly. Strong scripting skills are essential. Requirements: * 3+ years experience in Unix or Linux Systems Administrator. * Experience in a high-volume or critical production service environment. * Strong understanding of networking; understanding of how to isolate, diagnose, and resolve service delivery components (service delivery components include servers, networks, and applications); be familiar with the functionality, operating, and failure modes of key networking devices (routers, switches, bridges, firewalls, hardware load balancers); be able to identify networking as the potential cause of a service issue using server-resident tools to generate this data (tcpdump, ping, traceroute, etc.); familiarity in interpreting the output of these tools; familiarity with common network topologies, protocols, and tools; have some notion of common network security exploits -- and their remedies; understanding of troubleshooting at the packet level. * Skilled in leading projects, especially in deploying live end-user systems. * Proven technical troubleshooting experience. * Database administration experience a plus. * Programming or debugging of web applications running under Java VM. * In-depth knowledge of Linux, networking, and shell scripting. * Knowledge of Python programming a plus. * Experience with MySQL a plus. * Programming and troubleshooting skills in C/C++ and/or Java a plus. * Excellent written and verbal communication skills. * Ability to handle periodic on-call duty as well as out-of-band requests. * BA/BS in Computer Science or a related technical discipline. For immediate consideration, please send a text (ASCII) or HTML version of your resume to jpolo@google.com. Important: The subject field of your email must include Senior Systems Administrator/Architect, Google.com (SRE) - Mountain View. From dcarr at sdf.lonestar.org Wed Apr 27 02:16:16 2005 From: dcarr at sdf.lonestar.org (lloyd carr) Date: Wed Apr 27 02:16:34 2005 Subject: [kw-pm] Where is Zookrick? Message-ID: Perlmongers, Has anyone seen Zookrick? - Lloyd dcarr@sdf.lonestar.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org From zookrick at kw.pm.org Wed Apr 27 06:02:16 2005 From: zookrick at kw.pm.org (zookrick@kw.pm.org) Date: Wed Apr 27 06:06:32 2005 Subject: [kw-pm] Meeting Thursday, April 28, 2005 Message-ID: Kitchener-Waterloo Perl Mongers Meeting See our [1]FAQ for more information, or email [2]info@kw.pm.org. References 1. http://kw.pm.org/faq.html 2. mailto:info@kw.pm.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/kw-pm/attachments/20050427/07b7319e/attachment.htm From daniel at coder.com Wed Apr 27 06:07:09 2005 From: daniel at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Wed Apr 27 06:11:26 2005 Subject: [kw-pm] Meeting Thursday, April 28, 2005 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: No! Bad gnome! *sigh* sometimes you have to do everything yourself. -Daniel --- Kitchener-Waterloo Perl Mongers Meeting Thursday, April 28, 2005 (Note date change) Lloyd will talk about Scalable Vector Graphics and perl; warning, may include psychedelic images. But probably no Pink Floyd music. Definitely pizza, which is sponsored this month by yet another anonymous benefactor; add yourself to the PizzaList if you want some. (Discussion in the wiki at MeetingTopics) On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 zookrick@kw.pm.org wrote: > > Kitchener-Waterloo Perl Mongers Meeting > > See our [1]FAQ for more information, or email [2]info@kw.pm.org. > > References > > 1. http://kw.pm.org/faq.html > 2. mailto:info@kw.pm.org > From matt at sergeant.org Wed Apr 27 06:30:17 2005 From: matt at sergeant.org (Matt Sergeant) Date: Wed Apr 27 06:30:30 2005 Subject: [kw-pm] Meeting Thursday, April 28, 2005 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No what? No meeting tomorrow? Or just no gnomes? On 27 Apr 2005, at 09:07, Daniel R. Allen wrote: > No! Bad gnome! > > *sigh* sometimes you have to do everything yourself. From da at coder.com Wed Apr 27 06:58:39 2005 From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Wed Apr 27 07:03:00 2005 Subject: [kw-pm] Meeting Thursday, April 28, 2005 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes, we're meeting tomorrow, at long last! About no gnomes: what can I say... Actually, I can't say much, since the Gnomish Union got involved. Er. Anyway. :) -Daniel On Wed, 27 Apr 2005, Matt Sergeant wrote: > No what? No meeting tomorrow? Or just no gnomes? > > On 27 Apr 2005, at 09:07, Daniel R. Allen wrote: > > > No! Bad gnome! > > > > *sigh* sometimes you have to do everything yourself. > > From rdice at pobox.com Fri Apr 29 07:02:52 2005 From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice) Date: Fri Apr 29 07:03:12 2005 Subject: [kw-pm] YAPC conference schedule is now released Message-ID: <42723E8C.3000900@pobox.com> Hi everyone... Here's a quick mail-out to the "nearby" Perl Monger groups whose lists I'm subscribed to. For those who don't regularly read use.perl.org (or, locally, didn't come out to the TPM meeting yesterday) I wanted to let you know that the YAPC conference schedule is now out... http://yapc.org/America/schedule-2005/summary.html http://yapc.org/America/schedule-2005/day1.html http://yapc.org/America/schedule-2005/day2.html http://yapc.org/America/schedule-2005/day3.html Many thanks to all the people around the world who submitted papers for consideration, the program committee for all their work in sorting & picking through the submissions to make a schedule out of it, and the people who helped in making it ready for presentation. Cheers, Richard From matt at sergeant.org Fri Apr 29 07:05:44 2005 From: matt at sergeant.org (Matt Sergeant) Date: Fri Apr 29 07:05:57 2005 Subject: [kw-pm] Meeting Thursday, April 28, 2005 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry I missed it - family crisis. And I'm away for the next one too (assuming it's planned for the 19th May) so I guess I'll see you guys in June! On 27 Apr 2005, at 09:58, Daniel R. Allen wrote: > Yes, we're meeting tomorrow, at long last! > > About no gnomes: what can I say... > Actually, I can't say much, since the Gnomish Union got involved. > > Er. Anyway. :) > > -Daniel > > On Wed, 27 Apr 2005, Matt Sergeant wrote: > >> No what? No meeting tomorrow? Or just no gnomes? >> >> On 27 Apr 2005, at 09:07, Daniel R. Allen wrote: >> >>> No! Bad gnome! >>> >>> *sigh* sometimes you have to do everything yourself. >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From daniel at coder.com Fri Apr 29 07:21:54 2005 From: daniel at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Fri Apr 29 07:26:56 2005 Subject: [kw-pm] YAPC conference schedule is now released In-Reply-To: <42723E8C.3000900@pobox.com> Message-ID: Wow, that is a /stellar/ lineup. I'm really looking forward to it. That must've been a tough set of papers to choose between. ...Now I'm glad I didn't submit a talk. Not only would it not have been as good as the existing options; but I would've had to miss an entire slot of 3 other talks. -Daniel -- http://coder.com/ - Prescient Code Solutions - (519) 575-3733 da@coder.com http://kw.pm.org/ - Kitchener-Waterloo Perl Mongers - da@kw.pm.org On Fri, 29 Apr 2005, Richard Dice wrote: > Hi everyone... > > Here's a quick mail-out to the "nearby" Perl Monger groups whose lists > I'm subscribed to. > > For those who don't regularly read use.perl.org (or, locally, didn't > come out to the TPM meeting yesterday) I wanted to let you know that the > YAPC conference schedule is now out... > > http://yapc.org/America/schedule-2005/summary.html > http://yapc.org/America/schedule-2005/day1.html > http://yapc.org/America/schedule-2005/day2.html > http://yapc.org/America/schedule-2005/day3.html > > Many thanks to all the people around the world who submitted papers for > consideration, the program committee for all their work in sorting & > picking through the submissions to make a schedule out of it, and the > people who helped in making it ready for presentation. > > Cheers, > Richard > _______________________________________________ > kw-pm mailing list > kw-pm@pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm > From eric at uc.org Fri Apr 29 08:50:42 2005 From: eric at uc.org (Eric - fishbot) Date: Fri Apr 29 08:50:52 2005 Subject: [kw-pm] YAPC Roommates (was: YAPC conference schedule...) In-Reply-To: <42723E8C.3000900@pobox.com> References: <42723E8C.3000900@pobox.com> Message-ID: I'm with Daniel... that's a killer line-up. Some really big names in there. I mentioned this at the meeting last night, but since the Attendance:Mailinglist ratio is about 1:40, I thought I would repeat: The YAPC onsite dorm facility is $79/night single, $89/night double: (http://yapc.org/America/accommodations-2005.shtml) So, the savings of splitting a double are... *scrunches face*... several dollars. (seriously, though... it's $100+ for a three day stay.) Anyone who is interested in splitting a room for the conference, please email me offline with the nights that you would like to stay. With any luck, we will end up with an even number, and I will attempt to put pairs in contact with each other. The rooms at the venue are on hold only for the next week or two, so now is the time to book. fishbot :wq From da at coder.com Fri Apr 29 14:39:05 2005 From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Fri Apr 29 14:43:37 2005 Subject: [kw-pm] quick wrapup from last night In-Reply-To: Message-ID: So, it turns out Lloyd had a stomach bug (hope you're feeling better lloyd?) and we didn't have the scheduled talk. Instead we had a wide-ranging discussion on (but not limited to:) - BSD union filesystems, which sound really cool - interview questions for hiring a perl person - replacing ugly code (see wiki / recent updates) and optimizing it - tree-maps and TK did I miss any of the longer topics?... Anyway, I enjoyed myself a lot, and hope to see everybody May 19, when Simon will tell us about scripting VoiP with perl. Have a good weekend, all! -Daniel