From simon-kwpm at uc.org Thu Jul 1 00:01:39 2004 From: simon-kwpm at uc.org (simon-kwpm@uc.org) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:36 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] meeting topics? wiki? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I personally can't stand editing things in

s, so I wrote a
little WWW::Mechanize script to pull the textarea into a local file,
launch vim, and then commit it if the temp file's mtime changes.

Share and enjoy: http://orange.uc.org/files/utils/kvi

re,
spd

On Wed, 30 Jun 2004, Daniel R. Allen wrote:

> On Wed, 30 Jun 2004, Daniel R. Allen wrote:
>
> > Hm, maybe what we need is a wiki, rather than cluttering the list with
> > this topic that will never end.
>
> As much as I *hate* following up my own posts, I thought that was a
> good idea so I put one up.
>
> http://kw.pm.org/wiki/index.cgi will get you to our brand spankin' new
> Kwiki wiki, just waiting for your edits.
>
> No, I don't know whether kwiki is faster or better than twiki or podwiki.
> It's definitely easy; setting this up took approx. 2 minutes (plus
> page-editing time).
>
> Anyway,
>
> gotta go...
>
> -D
>
> _______________________________________________
> kw-pm mailing list
> kw-pm@mail.pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm
>

From akohlsmith-pm at benshaw.com  Thu Jul  1 09:46:13 2004
From: akohlsmith-pm at benshaw.com (Andrew Kohlsmith)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:31:36 2004
Subject: [kw-pm] Saturday Perlnic
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On Wednesday 30 June 2004 21:23, Daniel R. Allen wrote:
> So- Andrew- did you get a good turnout?  Did you get *any* turnout? :-)

Not a one.  I'd offer this saturday but nobody'd come because I haven't got 
any water.  :-)

-A.

From akohlsmith-pm at benshaw.com  Thu Jul  1 10:44:22 2004
From: akohlsmith-pm at benshaw.com (Andrew Kohlsmith)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:31:37 2004
Subject: [kw-pm] meeting topics? wiki?
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On Thursday 01 July 2004 01:01, simon-kwpm@uc.org wrote:
> I personally can't stand editing things in <textarea>s, so I wrote a
> little WWW::Mechanize script to pull the textarea into a local file,
> launch vim, and then commit it if the temp file's mtime changes.
>
> Share and enjoy: http://orange.uc.org/files/utils/kvi

***THAT IS TOO EFFING COOL FOR SCHOOL***

Right on... I was having a hell of a time getting WWW::Mechanize to install 
but wow, this is just way too cool.  Thank you!

-A.

From simon-kwpm at uc.org  Thu Jul  1 10:52:38 2004
From: simon-kwpm at uc.org (simon-kwpm@uc.org)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:31:37 2004
Subject: [kw-pm] meeting topics? wiki?
In-Reply-To: <200407011144.22373.akohlsmith-pm@benshaw.com>
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I forgot to include the file for syntax highlighting in vim (messy hack
of SQL syntax file):

http://orange.uc.org/files/utils/wiki.vim

On Thu, 1 Jul 2004, Andrew Kohlsmith wrote:

> On Thursday 01 July 2004 01:01, simon-kwpm@uc.org wrote:
> > I personally can't stand editing things in <textarea>s, so I wrote a
> > little WWW::Mechanize script to pull the textarea into a local file,
> > launch vim, and then commit it if the temp file's mtime changes.
> >
> > Share and enjoy: http://orange.uc.org/files/utils/kvi
>
> ***THAT IS TOO EFFING COOL FOR SCHOOL***
>
> Right on... I was having a hell of a time getting WWW::Mechanize to install
> but wow, this is just way too cool.  Thank you!
>
> -A.
> _______________________________________________
> kw-pm mailing list
> kw-pm@mail.pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm
>

From akohlsmith-pm at benshaw.com  Thu Jul  1 10:57:36 2004
From: akohlsmith-pm at benshaw.com (Andrew Kohlsmith)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:31:37 2004
Subject: [kw-pm] meeting topics? wiki?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.50.0407011150200.19505-100000@iran.unitycode.org>
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On Thursday 01 July 2004 11:52, simon-kwpm@uc.org wrote:
> I forgot to include the file for syntax highlighting in vim (messy hack
> of SQL syntax file):

I never use syntax highlighting... people always go too far and it ends up 
looking like an explosion at a paint-and-ascii-character factory.

Thank you again for this awesome little utility.  I modified it to work with 
PodWiki for the Vexi and Benshaw's internal wikis.

God damn this is just too cool.  You made my day.  Hell, you made my week!

-A.

From akohlsmith-pm at benshaw.com  Thu Jul  1 11:31:10 2004
From: akohlsmith-pm at benshaw.com (Andrew Kohlsmith)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:31:37 2004
Subject: [kw-pm] meeting topics? wiki?
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On Thursday 01 July 2004 01:01, simon-kwpm@uc.org wrote:
> Share and enjoy: http://orange.uc.org/files/utils/kvi

Is it possible to check for the presence of a field or form with 
WWW::Mechanize?  The Benshaw and Vexi podwikis have access controls so I want 
to use a more complex URL if the wiki returns the login screen.

I see you can use $agent->form_name() and it'll return undef but now that is 
starting to require specific versions of libwww.  WWW::Mechanize dies if 
$agent->field($fieldname) doesn't exist, unfortunately.

-A.

From shuchit at gmail.com  Thu Jul  1 11:46:41 2004
From: shuchit at gmail.com (Shuchit Velkar)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:31:37 2004
Subject: [kw-pm] meeting topics? wiki?
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> I personally can't stand editing things in <textarea>s, so I wrote a
> little WWW::Mechanize script to pull the textarea into a local file,
> launch vim, and then commit it if the temp file's mtime changes.

I use a non-perl solution for this.
    http://mozex.mozdev.org/

Shuchit

From akohlsmith-pm at benshaw.com  Thu Jul  1 11:58:35 2004
From: akohlsmith-pm at benshaw.com (Andrew Kohlsmith)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:31:37 2004
Subject: [kw-pm] meeting topics? wiki?
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On Thursday 01 July 2004 12:46, Shuchit Velkar wrote:
> I use a non-perl solution for this.
>     http://mozex.mozdev.org/

Heathen!  Burn him at the stake!

-A.

From shuchit at gmail.com  Thu Jul  1 13:08:34 2004
From: shuchit at gmail.com (Shuchit Velkar)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:31:37 2004
Subject: [kw-pm] Damian Conway talk and YAPC::NA 2005
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> > ...It also occurs to me that Damian Conway is speaking twice in Toronto,
> > five days and two days before our next scheduled meeting.  The Monday
> > night talk (which he gave at YAPC 2003) sounds quite good- as well as the
> > perl 6 talk Bill mentioned below.
> >

I was able to catch Damian's Small Miracles talk on Tuesday in
Manhattan(thanks to NY.PM). Its quite interesesting and definitely
very entertaining. It gives a good explaination about what "Junctions"
are among other things.
It essentially covers 9-10 modules that he has written at some point
or the other. No overlap between his two YAPC talks (other than the
YAPC::Australia thing which is just a filler.)

Shuchit

From da at coder.com  Thu Jul  1 22:28:09 2004
From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:31:37 2004
Subject: [kw-pm] meeting topics?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.56.0406302319080.2496@server>
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On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 rprice@freeshell.org wrote:

> For the record, I can probably ask if we can have meetings at the Albert
> street location of Open Text.
>
> We have a nice patio, barbeque, electronic projectors, all outside
> the development area, so it might be easier to get permission.

That sounds like a good idea.  If we don't get many people saying they
feel like a trip to Toronto that weekend, I'd recommend seeing if we can
ask to have a meeting there for Wed. the 21st?  Thanks.

Another idea for a meeting topic: a talk-back on YAPC.  What we've
learned, etc.  (sorry I forgot your idea Lloyd!)

I'm going to be out of town on a trip from Friday through the following
weekend, so I probably won't be posting for a week- can you check into the
meeting space and report back to the list, Rick?

Thanks!
-Daniel

--
http://coder.com/ - Prescient Code Solutions - (519) 575-3733 da@coder.com

>
> Oh yea, and lots of free parking...
>
> Rick
>
>
> On Wed, 30 Jun 2004, Daniel R. Allen wrote:
>
> > Fine question.  We don't currently have a topic for the upcoming meeting.
> > Which, since our patio has fallen through, seems to be at the U of W in
> > three weeks, on the 21st.
> >
> > I'd like to hear from some 'o the list newcomers- what topics would you
> > like to see?
> >
> > The last time we asked at a meeting, I believe we came up with the
> > following topics people had interest in:
> >
> >  - some beginner topics like using modules in general
> >  - useful modules from CPAN (? this might have been from a prior meeting)
> >  - a little interest in perl 6
> >
> >  - and there was much interest in Arguile's embedded linux box with perl
> >    on the back end.
> >
> > I would be happy to spend ~10 minutes on hash slices, which we were going
> > to talk about at the last meeting but ran out of time for.
> >
> > I would also be happy to prepare something about useful modules, on any
> > range (beginner, intermediate, advanced), if people said so soon.
> >
> > Another suggestion for a basic topic would be an intro to OO perl...
> >
> > Other thoughts?
> >
> > Hm, maybe what we need is a wiki, rather than cluttering the list with
> > this topic that will never end.
> >
> > -Daniel
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 simon-kwpm@uc.org wrote:
> >
> > > So what's the topic for the next meeting?
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > kw-pm mailing list
> > > kw-pm@mail.pm.org
> > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > kw-pm mailing list
> > kw-pm@mail.pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm
> >
>

From rprice at freeshell.org  Fri Jul  2 09:45:27 2004
From: rprice at freeshell.org (rprice@freeshell.org)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:31:37 2004
Subject: [kw-pm] meeting topics?
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Sure...

Rick

On Thu, 1 Jul 2004, Daniel R. Allen wrote:

> On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 rprice@freeshell.org wrote:
>
> > For the record, I can probably ask if we can have meetings at the Albert
> > street location of Open Text.
> >
> > We have a nice patio, barbeque, electronic projectors, all outside
> > the development area, so it might be easier to get permission.
>
> That sounds like a good idea.  If we don't get many people saying they
> feel like a trip to Toronto that weekend, I'd recommend seeing if we can
> ask to have a meeting there for Wed. the 21st?  Thanks.
>
> Another idea for a meeting topic: a talk-back on YAPC.  What we've
> learned, etc.  (sorry I forgot your idea Lloyd!)
>
> I'm going to be out of town on a trip from Friday through the following
> weekend, so I probably won't be posting for a week- can you check into the
> meeting space and report back to the list, Rick?
>
> Thanks!
> -Daniel
>
> --
> http://coder.com/ - Prescient Code Solutions - (519) 575-3733 da@coder.com
>
> >
> > Oh yea, and lots of free parking...
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 30 Jun 2004, Daniel R. Allen wrote:
> >
> > > Fine question.  We don't currently have a topic for the upcoming meeting.
> > > Which, since our patio has fallen through, seems to be at the U of W in
> > > three weeks, on the 21st.
> > >
> > > I'd like to hear from some 'o the list newcomers- what topics would you
> > > like to see?
> > >
> > > The last time we asked at a meeting, I believe we came up with the
> > > following topics people had interest in:
> > >
> > >  - some beginner topics like using modules in general
> > >  - useful modules from CPAN (? this might have been from a prior meeting)
> > >  - a little interest in perl 6
> > >
> > >  - and there was much interest in Arguile's embedded linux box with perl
> > >    on the back end.
> > >
> > > I would be happy to spend ~10 minutes on hash slices, which we were going
> > > to talk about at the last meeting but ran out of time for.
> > >
> > > I would also be happy to prepare something about useful modules, on any
> > > range (beginner, intermediate, advanced), if people said so soon.
> > >
> > > Another suggestion for a basic topic would be an intro to OO perl...
> > >
> > > Other thoughts?
> > >
> > > Hm, maybe what we need is a wiki, rather than cluttering the list with
> > > this topic that will never end.
> > >
> > > -Daniel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 simon-kwpm@uc.org wrote:
> > >
> > > > So what's the topic for the next meeting?
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > kw-pm mailing list
> > > > kw-pm@mail.pm.org
> > > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > kw-pm mailing list
> > > kw-pm@mail.pm.org
> > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> kw-pm mailing list
> kw-pm@mail.pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm
>

From dcarr at sdf.lonestar.org  Fri Jul  2 16:26:46 2004
From: dcarr at sdf.lonestar.org (lloyd carr)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:31:37 2004
Subject: [kw-pm] wiki
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0407022056260.10851@otaku.freeshell.org>

Thanks for the three great suggestions Eric!
Anyone else Andrew, Rebecca, Simon, Greg ... I know your all just full of 
... yes well ... full of ideas, full of ideas. Daniel is full of it too, 
but he had to go away, but he has left us his wiki and we can fill his 
wiki with ... ideas ... yes ideas for talks. So Andrew you have a few 
wikis at work, are they useful?

-Lloyd

dcarr@sdf.lonestar.org
SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org

From akohlsmith-pm at benshaw.com  Fri Jul  2 20:02:10 2004
From: akohlsmith-pm at benshaw.com (Andrew Kohlsmith)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:31:37 2004
Subject: [kw-pm] wiki
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0407022056260.10851@otaku.freeshell.org>
References: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0407022056260.10851@otaku.freeshell.org>
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On Friday 02 July 2004 17:26, lloyd carr wrote:
> wiki with ... ideas ... yes ideas for talks. So Andrew you have a few
> wikis at work, are they useful?

One wiki at work, wiki.benshaw.com -- just a mish-mash of datapoints that I 
was trying to gather in one place for my own sanity and the sanity of my 
Craven Underlings...  Podwiki, and uses the access controls to keep the 
unwashed masses out of the proprietary data.  :-)

One wiki at play, www.vexi.org -- Podwiki again but Charlie (one of the main 
developers and probably the very spirit of Vexi) has utilized Podwiki's 
ability to completely change how it looks and has turned it into Vexi's main 
website.  Very cool, very easy to edit and not a bad little CMS.  :-)

-A.

From dcarr at sdf.lonestar.org  Fri Jul  2 21:23:54 2004
From: dcarr at sdf.lonestar.org (lloyd carr)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:31:37 2004
Subject: [kw-pm] wiki
In-Reply-To: <200407022102.10742.akohlsmith-pm@benshaw.com>
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Does anyone see where Daniel included a link to the wiki on kw.pm.org? 
I don't ;-)

In case you missed it

http://kw.pm.org/wiki/index.cgi

-Lloyd

From dcarr at sdf.lonestar.org  Tue Jul  6 07:07:08 2004
From: dcarr at sdf.lonestar.org (lloyd carr)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:31:37 2004
Subject: [kw-pm] wiki etc.
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0407061113150.27446@otaku.freeshell.org>

This is not perl specific, but I see a real problem. Wiki, php-nuke, email 
list, website, im, news feed, each seems to fit only part of the problem 
of communication. We can automate the translation of one to the others, but 
has anyone looked at the messages and the channels themselves. So at kw.pm 
we now have a website, a wiki and a mailing list. We have each to serve a 
purpose. Some of what is on each should appear on the others. The mail 
comes to us, but the other two have to be checked when we think of it. We 
could add another channel, news feed? We could automate translation from 
one to the others, but what about one point of contact? Perhaps like a 
docbook for messages. You create a tagged "message", send it to one point. 
You could retrieve it in raw form or it could be degraded to legacy formats as 
needed.

Any thoughts?

-Lloyd

dcarr@sdf.lonestar.org
SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org

From simon-kwpm at uc.org  Tue Jul  6 08:13:06 2004
From: simon-kwpm at uc.org (simon-kwpm@uc.org)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:31:37 2004
Subject: [kw-pm] wiki etc.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0407061113150.27446@otaku.freeshell.org>
References: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0407061113150.27446@otaku.freeshell.org>
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I was thinking about something similar the other day in re:
wiki/email/irc; I wish there were better data models surrounding them so
that it would be easily to create new views on the models.

Like:
- search all my communications
- alert me of new communications
   - let me launch another view from there, i.e. browser, or instant
     messenger
- have a logger that just sits there and listens to all the
  communications that pass through, maybe indexing them for later
  searching

So yes, some sort of format for all this data to float around in would be
nice. I don't know that I'd want to ever look at the schema, I'd likely
feel compelled to claw my eyes out afterwards. Maybe encapsulation would
be a better route...

On Tue, 6 Jul 2004, lloyd carr wrote:

> This is not perl specific, but I see a real problem. Wiki, php-nuke, email
> list, website, im, news feed, each seems to fit only part of the problem
> of communication. We can automate the translation of one to the others, but
> has anyone looked at the messages and the channels themselves. So at kw.pm
> we now have a website, a wiki and a mailing list. We have each to serve a
> purpose. Some of what is on each should appear on the others. The mail
> comes to us, but the other two have to be checked when we think of it. We
> could add another channel, news feed? We could automate translation from
> one to the others, but what about one point of contact? Perhaps like a
> docbook for messages. You create a tagged "message", send it to one point.
> You could retrieve it in raw form or it could be degraded to legacy formats as
> needed.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> -Lloyd
>
> dcarr@sdf.lonestar.org
> SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org
> _______________________________________________
> kw-pm mailing list
> kw-pm@mail.pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm
>

From akohlsmith-pm at benshaw.com  Tue Jul  6 08:58:34 2004
From: akohlsmith-pm at benshaw.com (Andrew Kohlsmith)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:31:37 2004
Subject: [kw-pm] wiki etc.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0407061113150.27446@otaku.freeshell.org>
References: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0407061113150.27446@otaku.freeshell.org>
Message-ID: <200407060958.34452.akohlsmith-pm@benshaw.com>

On Tuesday 06 July 2004 08:07, lloyd carr wrote:
> This is not perl specific, but I see a real problem. Wiki, php-nuke, email
> list, website, im, news feed, each seems to fit only part of the problem
> of communication. We can automate the translation of one to the others, but
> has anyone looked at the messages and the channels themselves. So at kw.pm
> we now have a website, a wiki and a mailing list. We have each to serve a
> purpose. Some of what is on each should appear on the others. The mail
> comes to us, but the other two have to be checked when we think of it. We
> could add another channel, news feed? We could automate translation from
> one to the others, but what about one point of contact? Perhaps like a
> docbook for messages. You create a tagged "message", send it to one point.
> You could retrieve it in raw form or it could be degraded to legacy formats
> as needed.

AMEN BROTHER!

This is specifically why I dislike message boards (the *Nuke varieties) -- 
they dillute the actual signal and mire it up in the noise of avatars, 
animated smileys, ads and "ratings".

My ideal system -- one which placates the newbies and keeps the grizzled 
vetrans in 7-bit ASCII heaven would be a *Nuke<-->mailing list gateway.  If 
you post to the mailing list, it appears in a forum (parsing out your 
username from your email settings and perhaps an "unverified" flag if your 
message wasn't GPG-signed)....  Similarly a post to a forum would generate a 
mailing list message with a similar parsing of the username and a 
sanitization of all but the "standard three" smileys and so on.  Archives 
would be kept in a normal mailbox-style file and the forums could search 
those, extracting "X-Forum-MsgID" tags or somesuch in order to keep 
everything in sync on a search.

The biggest problem in a *Nuke<-->list gateway is that *Nuke has no concept of 
threads.  It'd have to be hacked in, but I'd be happy keeping every new 
"topic" as a thread on its own; I think it'd be a workable solution.

Newsgroups are trivial to link to a mailing list.  Essentially that's what 
they are, only without the broadcasting to "subscribers".

The Wiki serves a different purpose but in my mind it should not be separate 
from the website; The Vexi project really blurred the line with their use of 
Podwiki; the wiki *is* the website, and it'd be trivial to have a 
freely-updatable section which doesn't interfere with the main "website" 
content since Podwiki handles access controls.  To me, Podwiki solves the 
website/wiki problem.  The whole idea of using a Wiki as a CMS for a website 
is great, IMO, since changes are automatically tracked as well.  :-)

Instant messaging for me is like IRC; it's fast communication.  Problem is 
that the signal to noice level is very low... hell it's almost like trying to 
pick up a spread-spectrum signal withough knowing the sequence.  :-)  There 
are IRC logs and it's easy enough to do IM logs but generally speaking 
they're not worth it.

The Vexi project handles IRC/IM as an "out of band" signalling channel -- the 
developers hang there and chatter, sometimes work related, sometimes just 
socially as they work on their own...  but any major discoveries that are 
found get mailing list posts to inform everyone else.  It seems to work very 
well and the comraderie that IM brings really seems to keep things moving 
very smoothly.

An RSS feed would be nice but to be honest I haven't found an RSS client app 
that stays out of the way.  KDE has a nice panel applet but I tend to keep my 
taskbar on the left side of the screen 
(http://www.mixdown.ca/~andrew/dump/green.png -- and no, mustang.jpg is *not* 
my bedroom...  Leopard skin bedsheets aren't my style) so it's useless.  
There are some RSS jabber bots but I haven't had the time to really 
investigate them.  Something that let you know what happened since last check 
would be a nice RSS type app, but it'd have to be per-user customizable.

Anyway I've blathered on long enough; if you haven't guessed, I'm really happy 
with how the Vexi project has handled the mailing lists/cvs/bug 
tracker/website integration...  all that's needed is a good *Nuke<-->mailing 
list gateway (someone posted an attempt at kwlug, I forget how it actually 
worked, I think it was one-way only)...

Bah.  "message boards" are the scourge of the internet...  Only beaten by the 
spammers...  Hell dancing baby doesn't even rate third.  :-)

-A.

From akohlsmith-pm at benshaw.com  Tue Jul  6 09:09:32 2004
From: akohlsmith-pm at benshaw.com (Andrew Kohlsmith)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:31:37 2004
Subject: [kw-pm] wiki etc.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.50.0407060811340.19505-100000@iran.unitycode.org>
References: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0407061113150.27446@otaku.freeshell.org>
	<Pine.BSO.4.50.0407060811340.19505-100000@iran.unitycode.org>
Message-ID: <200407061009.32571.akohlsmith-pm@benshaw.com>

On Tuesday 06 July 2004 09:13, simon-kwpm@uc.org wrote:
> - have a logger that just sits there and listens to all the
>   communications that pass through, maybe indexing them for later
>   searching

Sounds like that "metadata bus" that there are a few Gnome apps for...  that 
looks *REALLY* interesting.  it kind of passively sits there and watches what 
you're doing/typing/looking at and throws up related data it thinks will be 
useful.  What is that, D-BUS?

> So yes, some sort of format for all this data to float around in would be
> nice. I don't know that I'd want to ever look at the schema, I'd likely
> feel compelled to claw my eyes out afterwards. Maybe encapsulation would
> be a better route...

Good old LDAP issues.  :-)

On a low-level note, I was always impressed with how the Scream Tracker .s3m 
file format handled this.  The file format was something like this (it's been 
over 10 years now...)

[file header, magic number, etc.]
[offset to order data]
[offset to pattern data]
[offset to sample data]
...
...
[orderdata section]
[orderdata header]
[order 1]
[order 2]
...
[paterndata section]
[paterndata header]
[pattern 1]
[pattern 2]
...
[sampledata section]
[sampledata header]
[sample 1]
[sample 2]
...

To me, it was brilliant...  If you needed to update/expand the format it was 
trivial to do so and the format was flexible enough that the player would 
just discard extra data (old program, new file format)...

-A.

From dcarr at sdf.lonestar.org  Tue Jul  6 12:06:40 2004
From: dcarr at sdf.lonestar.org (lloyd carr)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:31:37 2004
Subject: [kw-pm] wiki etc.
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0407061552030.20120@otaku.freeshell.org>

Another advantage, retag some of the message, send it back to the single 
point and those parts would show up in a different part of the view and 
be forwarded to different legacy channels/subscriptions.

Before we worried about a schema
- What are the key dimensions of message/communication space?
- How could those dimensions be represented?
- How do our current protocols map to that space?

-Lloyd

dcarr@sdf.lonestar.org
SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org

From arguile at lucentstudios.com  Tue Jul 13 17:58:13 2004
From: arguile at lucentstudios.com (Arguile)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:31:37 2004
Subject: [kw-pm] wiki
In-Reply-To: <200407022102.10742.akohlsmith-pm@benshaw.com>
References: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0407022056260.10851@otaku.freeshell.org>
	<200407022102.10742.akohlsmith-pm@benshaw.com>
Message-ID: <1089759493.1184.9025.camel@broadswd.local>

On Fri, 2004-07-02 at 21:02, Andrew Kohlsmith wrote:

>  Podwiki, and uses the access controls to keep the 
> unwashed masses out of the proprietary data.  :-)
> 
> One wiki at play, www.vexi.org -- Podwiki again but Charlie (one of the main 
> developers and probably the very spirit of Vexi) has utilized Podwiki's 
> ability to completely change how it looks and has turned it into Vexi's main 
> website.  Very cool, very easy to edit and not a bad little CMS.  :-)
>

Thanks for suggesting PODWiki... I'm not fond of some of the code under
the hood but the extensibility of the formatters is great. Which brings
me to the point of this email. I've created a couple formatter that
basically wrap Text::VimColo(u)r and Syntax::Highlight::Perl::Improved
with a few additions.

PodWiki::Formatter::Vim uses the vim specified in the
        podwiki.conf to format code block based on the "=begin syntax"
        you pass it. There are two utility scripts and a patch that come
        with it. One script queries vim for supported syntaxes and
        writes it to a cache so the formatter can read it and know what
        tags to export, the other attempts to create CSS stylesheets out
        the vim colours directory. The patch adds an 'intern' page to
        PodWiki so you can perform the utility functions from within
        PodWiki.
        
        PodWiki::Formatter::Perl (I renamed the other) offers much
        better Perl highlighting than Vim (see
        Syntax::Hightlight::Perl). No need for forking either.

They're not CPAN quality but if anyone wants them, I thought I'd offer.

From da at coder.com  Sun Jul 18 19:22:17 2004
From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:31:37 2004
Subject: [kw-pm] upcoming meeting: next Wednesday
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0407172033490.20818-100000@matrix2.coder.com>

Sorry for the lax announcements; I was too busy during the week to do much
planning.

Our next meeting will be next Wednesday at the U of W (7pm, room DC 2305
as usual *); unless we hear from Rick that he has in fact reserved space
for us at Open Text.

The topic, unless somebody else speaks up with an alternate topic, will be
a talk-back from people who were at YAPC (which should appeal to people of
all perl levels, beginner to advanced).

Additionally, I would like to have a discussion of how to get things more
organized- such as by planning a few meetings in advance.  Thanks to the
great topics that people suggested on the wiki, we have the means to do
that now.

I don't see any reason we couldn't automate some stuff as well- regular
announcements two weeks before and two days before our meetings;
automatic home-page updates in advance, maybe even auto-generated posters.
(well, the first two seem pretty useful, anyway).

-Daniel

[* see http://kw.pm.org/faq.html for more details about the location]

--
"Use a different web browser. There are a number of significant vulnerabilit-
ies in technologies relating to the [Microsoft] IE domain/zone security model,
the DHTML object model, MIME type determination, and ActiveX."  - US CERT (US
Computer Emergency Readiness Team) - http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/713878

From daniel at coder.com  Mon Jul 19 01:50:35 2004
From: daniel at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:31:37 2004
Subject: [kw-pm] wiki etc.
In-Reply-To: <200407060958.34452.akohlsmith-pm@benshaw.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0407190013310.20818-100000@matrix2.coder.com>

On Tue, 6 Jul 2004, Andrew Kohlsmith wrote:

> On Tuesday 06 July 2004 08:07, lloyd carr wrote:
> > This is not perl specific, but I see a real problem. Wiki, php-nuke, email
> > list, website, im, news feed, each seems to fit only part of the problem
> > of communication.
> > [...] what about one point of contact? Perhaps like a
> > docbook for messages. You create a tagged "message", send it to one point.
> > You could retrieve it in raw form or it could be degraded to legacy formats
> > as needed.
>
> AMEN BROTHER!

Testify!

So it seems the defacto point-of-contact, the common format, is web
output. Hyperlinks signify relations, and mailing lists are presented in
threaded form via mailman/whatever (side-note: has anybody installed and
used sympa, which is written in perl?  I've been meaning to find out how
it compares with mailman.)

Unfortunately html has lots of faults- automated parsing is often
tough; also, the web is often read-only, and when it's read/write, the
method for writing is not exactly uniform on different websites; also,
the web has no built-in time component so getting a good history is
often impossible; also, it's grossly inefficient to stream to the
masses.  It's to bad the web is so convenient, it's so inefficient...

> This is specifically why I dislike message boards (the *Nuke varieties) --
> they dillute the actual signal and mire it up in the noise of avatars,
> animated smileys, ads and "ratings".

Can I get another AMEN to that?  (although I don't mind ratings; for busy,
slashdot-like boards, browsing by ratings make them readable in human
time).  Anyway, Nuke boards are NOT designed for readability.  It seems
they're always too cluttered, even if you took away all of the above
distractions.

> My ideal system -- one which placates the newbies and keeps the
> grizzled vetrans in 7-bit ASCII heaven would be a *Nuke<-->mailing
> list gateway.  [...] The biggest problem in a *Nuke<-->list gateway
> is that *Nuke has no concept of threads.

Yep.  I looked into doing a list gateway for php-nuke.  Any two-way
solution starts to look messy (partly due to the nuke code.  yuck.)

The list I set up for the LUG is one-way, Nuke --> email list.  But,
it's a nice email list: it preserves senders' address, formats for 76
columns, displays hyperlinks as [1] references, and has a HTML version
as an attachment.  Implementation is a perl script that runs once a
day on the SQL database generated by phpNuke.  Pretty simple stuff.
Getting the other direction, email-list into PHPNuke, seemed much less
like fun.  :->

> The Wiki serves a different purpose but in my mind it should not be separate
> from the website; The Vexi project really blurred the line with their use of
> Podwiki; the wiki *is* the website, and it'd be trivial to have a
> freely-updatable section which doesn't interfere with the main "website"
> content since Podwiki handles access controls.  To me, Podwiki solves the
> website/wiki problem.  The whole idea of using a Wiki as a CMS for a website
> is great, IMO, since changes are automatically tracked as well.  :-)

Yes- changelogs are very nice.  If only I could get changelogs for
more of the web- people keep MOVING stuff without telling where it's
gone.  And the Wayback machine only sometimes helps.

If only the entire web were a wiki.  No, I'm not entirely serious, but
I'm not entirely joking either.

> Instant messaging for me is like IRC; it's fast communication.  Problem is
> that the signal to noice level is very low. [...]

I'm currently working for a (distributed) company that does most of
its day-to-day communication in IRC (SILC, actually; it's encrypted).
Because we're motivated to keep it so, the environment is high
signal-to-noise, and having automatic logs of meetings is very nice.

There are also bots in each channel, combination infobots and
chatterbots- so you can instruct them to tell somebody something the
next time they stop by; or keep track of URLs, or monitor
server-loads.

I wouldn't believe it works as well as it seems to...

> An RSS feed would be nice but to be honest I haven't found an RSS
> client app that stays out of the way.

Ditto.  I'm *this* close to writing my own, darnit.  My problem is that
often I don't just want a headline, I want to bring up a paragraph summary
without clicking anything.  Google News does it just right, IMO.

And not just for rss, but for webpages in general.  I suppose I could
use WWW::Mechanize to trawl websites I'm interested in and save changes
in a rolling logfile, but I'd be really surprised if that worked well.

> There are some RSS jabber bots but I haven't had the time to really
> investigate them.  Something that let you know what happened since
> last check would be a nice RSS type app, but it'd have to be
> per-user customizable.

Likewise, if you find one you like, please let us know.

> Anyway I've blathered on long enough; if you haven't guessed, I'm
> really happy with how the Vexi project has handled the mailing
> lists/cvs/bug tracker/website integration...

hm, bugs.vexi.org: "Database disconnected"... :-}

To bring this back to our group- since Lloyd's concerned with how
these fit together- my thought was that the website is a "filtered"
group resource, with the most important and publicly useful info, and
pointers to everything- the wiki, list, list archives, minutes/notes
from the meetings...

The wiki is self-organized (or unorganized, if that fails...) and
"less filtered" (anybody can filter/change whatever they like; but if
others don't like the changes, the archives are open as well).
Unfortunately, we don't currently have these set up for "push" access,
like an RSS feed.  Both could be- the wiki could have an RSS (or
email?) feed; and the website is in CVS, so if there was demand for
it, a list could broadcast whenever there were changes to the site.

The list and archives are even less filtered- anybody can join and post
on any topic, although spammers will get the boot pretty darn quick.
Currently the list is the only "push" medium for the group.

Woah, here's a weird idea- what if the website CVS and wiki both had
an "important update" flag- if the author of a change deemed a change
to be important, it would be automatically echoed to the mailing list.

Another one- each page on the website could automatically be linked to
a page on the wiki of the same name, for discussion.  Including
notes/slides from talks.  ...heck, we're running SSI, so the wiki page
could even be #included at the bottom of the regular page.

What if the mailing list archives were tied into that- editing
a post could resend it to the list, in the same thread.  :-)

> Bah.  "message boards" are the scourge of the internet...  Only
> beaten by the spammers...

I particularly love message boards that have been taken over by
spammers.  I've heard about bots that auto-edit wikis to add ads.
Yucky.

Thereby giving at least one reason why we *shouldn't* use any
of my weird ideas.

Hell dancing baby doesn't even rate third.  :-)

badgerbadgerbadger.com?

-Daniel

> -A.

From rpjday at mindspring.com  Mon Jul 19 17:02:30 2004
From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:31:37 2004
Subject: [kw-pm] perl programmers wanted in michigan
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0407191801390.26356@dell.enoriver.com>

not sure how i came to receive this, but ...

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:49:57 -0400
From: Alex Averhoff <alex@toriatech.com>
To: rpjday@mindspring.com
Subject: REK: PERL Programmers

Please help with the following requirement:

PERL Programmers
Location: Michigan
Length: 6 months
Rate: Open/hr
Description: Perl Programmers needed.  Must have 2-4 years experience with Perl.

Please forward resumes with rate and contact info.

Alex Averhoff
ToriaTech Inc.
888-636-7305x81
alex@toriatech.com

From da at coder.com  Wed Jul 21 14:53:59 2004
From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:31:37 2004
Subject: [kw-pm] reminder about meeting this evening @ 7
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0407211524470.20818-100000@matrix2.coder.com>

Just a reminder that we're meeting this evening at 7pm at the U of W
(Davis Centre room 2305; see kw.pm.org/faq.html for directions);

The meeting topic is a talkback on YAPC plus planning talks for the next
few months, and maybe discussion of our wiki and other perl that would be
useful for the group!

-Daniel

From da at coder.com  Wed Jul 21 14:55:29 2004
From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:31:37 2004
Subject: [kw-pm] $1 matching question
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0407211554060.20818-100000@matrix2.coder.com>

I've got a regex question that I'm probably just being stupid about:

bash% echo -e "9 \n \n 2" | perl -ne'/(\d+)/; print "$1 ";'

has the following result:

9 9 2

Shouldn't it be '9  2' ?  And the result is the same with:

bash% echo -e "9 \n \n 2" | perl -ne'$z = ""; /(\d+)/; $z = $1; print "$z
" if $z;'

Which means $1 is actively being assigned to, when there isn't a match!

deparse tells me:

bash% perl -MO=Deparse -ne'/(\d+)/; print "$1 ";'
LINE: while (defined($_ = <ARGV>)) {
    /(\d+)/;
    print "$1 ";
}

...which looks just like I'd expect.  Maybe I just took a stupid pill this
morning.

-Daniel

From da at coder.com  Wed Jul 21 15:32:41 2004
From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:31:37 2004
Subject: [kw-pm] $1 matching question
In-Reply-To: <OFE886ACEC.84A86D8C-ON85256ED8.006FC3D2-85256ED8.006FE879@sybase.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0407211624150.20818-100000@matrix2.coder.com>

Ah, thanks, that's the ideom I'd used before- if (/whatever/) { print }

The camel book chapter 2 says:
"the variables $1, $2, $3 ... are automatically localized, and their scope
extend to the end of the enclosing block... or to the next successful
pattern match, whichever comes first".

I guess I'm surprised that $1 didn't go out of scope the next time around
the WHILE loop (in the deparsed version); that would be the behaviour of
least surprise, as far as I can tell.

*shrug*

-Daniel

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 Greg.Fenton@sybase.com wrote:

> You need to put an IF around your print.  $1 is assigned to for the first
> line, the second match doesn't match, but a non-match does not unset $1.
>
> bash% echo -e "9 \n \n 2" | perl -ne'if ( /(\d+)/ ) { print "$1 "; }'
>
> greg.fenton
> ----
> Greg Fenton
> Consultant, Solution Services
> iAnywhere Solutions
>
>
>
>
> "Daniel R. Allen" <da@coder.com>
> Sent by: kw-pm-bounces@mail.pm.org
> 07/21/2004 03:55 PM
>
>         To:     kw-pm@mail.pm.org
>         cc:
>         Subject:        [kw-pm] $1 matching question
>
>
>
>
> I've got a regex question that I'm probably just being stupid about:
>
> bash% echo -e "9 \n \n 2" | perl -ne'/(\d+)/; print "$1 ";'
>
> has the following result:
>
> 9 9 2
>
> Shouldn't it be '9  2' ?  And the result is the same with:
>
> bash% echo -e "9 \n \n 2" | perl -ne'$z = ""; /(\d+)/; $z = $1; print "$z
> " if $z;'
>
> Which means $1 is actively being assigned to, when there isn't a match!
>
> deparse tells me:
>
> bash% perl -MO=Deparse -ne'/(\d+)/; print "$1 ";'
> LINE: while (defined($_ = <ARGV>)) {
>     /(\d+)/;
>     print "$1 ";
> }
>
> ...which looks just like I'd expect.  Maybe I just took a stupid pill this
> morning.
>
>
> -Daniel
>
> --
> "Use a different web browser. There are a number of significant
> vulnerabilit-
> ies in technologies relating to the [Microsoft] IE domain/zone security
> model,
> the DHTML object model, MIME type determination, and ActiveX."  - US CERT
> (US
> Computer Emergency Readiness Team) - http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/713878
>
> _______________________________________________
> kw-pm mailing list
> kw-pm@mail.pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm
>
>

From da at coder.com  Wed Jul 21 16:22:37 2004
From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:31:37 2004
Subject: [kw-pm] $1 matching question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0407211711130.3423@cpu110.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0407211719280.20818-100000@matrix2.coder.com>

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004, Tomas Vinar wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Jul 2004, Daniel R. Allen wrote:
>
> > Ah, thanks, that's the ideom I'd used before- if (/whatever/) { print }
> >
> > The camel book chapter 2 says:
> > "the variables $1, $2, $3 ... are automatically localized, and their scope
> > extend to the end of the enclosing block... or to the next successful
> > pattern match, whichever comes first".
> >
> > I guess I'm surprised that $1 didn't go out of scope the next time around
> > the WHILE loop (in the deparsed version); that would be the behaviour of
> > least surprise, as far as I can tell.
>
> Of course, you could have used $1 to buy a coke and avoid all troubles.

I hate it when I'm out of scope and need to use coke instead.  I prefer
listerine anyway.

er.

-Daniel

>
> Tomas
>

From da at coder.com  Wed Jul 21 17:11:39 2004
From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:31:37 2004
Subject: [kw-pm] $1 matching question
In-Reply-To: <OFC9E2997F.4D66CF0E-ON85256ED8.0071C0A3-85256ED8.0071D35B@sybase.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0407211726470.20818-100000@matrix2.coder.com>

Er, since $1 is lexically scoped, I'd expect it to follow the same
behaviour as:

perl -e 'foreach (1..5) { my $foo; $foo++; print $foo;}'

since $1 doesn't exist outside the loop.  But I guess it does, since it
has the behaviour it does...

The odd part of all of this is:
The deparsed code for the command-line switch -n:

LINE: while (defined($_ = <ARGV>)) {
    /(\d+)/;
    print "$1 ";
}

differs from the deparsed code for the command-line switch -p:

LINE: while (defined($_ = <ARGV>)) {
    /(\d+)/;
    print "$1 ";
}

continue {
    print $_;
}

by a "continue" block.  When I run the same code but comment out the print
inside the continue block, I get the answer I expected in the first place:

$ cat testperl.pl
LINE: while (defined($_ = <ARGV>)) {
    /(\d+)/;
    print "$1 ";
}

$ echo -e "9 \n \n 2"| perl testperl.pl
9  2

*sigh*

-Daniel

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 Greg.Fenton@sybase.com wrote:

> But it doesn't go out of scope...it's all inside of the WHILE loop.
>
> greg.fenton
> ----
> Greg Fenton
> Consultant, Solution Services
> iAnywhere Solutions
>
>
>
>
> "Daniel R. Allen" <da@coder.com>
> Sent by: kw-pm-bounces@mail.pm.org
> 07/21/2004 04:32 PM
>
>         To:     kw-pm@mail.pm.org
>         cc:
>         Subject:        Re: [kw-pm] $1 matching question
>
>
>
>
> Ah, thanks, that's the ideom I'd used before- if (/whatever/) { print }
>
> The camel book chapter 2 says:
> "the variables $1, $2, $3 ... are automatically localized, and their scope
> extend to the end of the enclosing block... or to the next successful
> pattern match, whichever comes first".
>
> I guess I'm surprised that $1 didn't go out of scope the next time around
> the WHILE loop (in the deparsed version); that would be the behaviour of
> least surprise, as far as I can tell.
>
> *shrug*
>
> -Daniel
>

From rprice at freeshell.org  Wed Jul 21 18:48:09 2004
From: rprice at freeshell.org (rprice@freeshell.org)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:31:37 2004
Subject: [kw-pm] $1 matching question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0407211554060.20818-100000@matrix2.coder.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0407211554060.20818-100000@matrix2.coder.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.56.0407211947440.3742@server>

Did it fail to assign to the value when it did not get a match rather than
assigning Undef to it?

Rick

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004, Daniel R. Allen wrote:

> I've got a regex question that I'm probably just being stupid about:
>
> bash% echo -e "9 \n \n 2" | perl -ne'/(\d+)/; print "$1 ";'
>
> has the following result:
>
> 9 9 2
>
> Shouldn't it be '9  2' ?  And the result is the same with:
>
> bash% echo -e "9 \n \n 2" | perl -ne'$z = ""; /(\d+)/; $z = $1; print "$z
> " if $z;'
>
> Which means $1 is actively being assigned to, when there isn't a match!
>
> deparse tells me:
>
> bash% perl -MO=Deparse -ne'/(\d+)/; print "$1 ";'
> LINE: while (defined($_ = <ARGV>)) {
>     /(\d+)/;
>     print "$1 ";
> }
>
> ...which looks just like I'd expect.  Maybe I just took a stupid pill this
> morning.
>
>
> -Daniel
>
> --
> "Use a different web browser. There are a number of significant vulnerabilit-
> ies in technologies relating to the [Microsoft] IE domain/zone security model,
> the DHTML object model, MIME type determination, and ActiveX."  - US CERT (US
> Computer Emergency Readiness Team) - http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/713878
>
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From lloydcarr at rogers.com  Fri Jul 23 18:23:18 2004
From: lloydcarr at rogers.com (Lloyd Carr)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:31:37 2004
Subject: [kw-pm] Meeting
Message-ID: <000001c4710c$0da54e20$a603a8c0@int.carr.inet>

Sorry I missed the meeting :-(
So how did it go?

-Lloyd

From daniel at coder.com  Sat Jul 24 08:22:45 2004
From: daniel at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen)
Date: Mon Aug  2 21:31:37 2004
Subject: [kw-pm] Meeting
In-Reply-To: <000001c4710c$0da54e20$a603a8c0@int.carr.inet>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0407240920520.23823-100000@matrix2.coder.com>

It was small.  We're going to try talking about YAPC next month, because
both (!) of the other people who came were interested, but I didn't want
to do the same thing twice.

Unless everybody didn't show up, because of the topic? :-/

TTYL

-D

On Fri, 23 Jul 2004, Lloyd Carr wrote:

> Sorry I missed the meeting :-(
> So how did it go?
>
> -Lloyd
>
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