From elbie at trig.net Wed Apr 2 09:42:29 2003 From: elbie at trig.net (Christopher Calzonetti) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:29 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] Long awaited minutes online Message-ID: <20030402154229.GA25119@trig.net> Minutes for January's and March's meetings are now up on the website. As well the slides for March's meetings are available as well. Thanks for your patience! -- Christopher Calzonetti, Technical Lead, Trig.Net Web: http://www.trig.net/ Mail: mailto:chris@trig.net From akohlsmith-pm at benshaw.com Thu Apr 10 14:57:45 2003 From: akohlsmith-pm at benshaw.com (Andrew Kohlsmith) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:29 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] CPAN question Message-ID: <200304101557.45353@-mixdown.ca> I have forgotten a few things I picked up from the last KW-PM meeting, I was hoping someone could refresh my memory. 'test packagename' will download, build and test a package. I can then drop to a shell and install it myself with CheckInstall. This is not a problem. Question 1 deals with dependencies... I have the CPAN module configured to ask to follow deps... now if I 'test packagename' and it needs package 'foo' -- will it just build and test package 'foo' or will it install it in order to be able to build and test package 'packagename'? Regards, Andrew From akohlsmith-pm at benshaw.com Thu Apr 10 15:29:26 2003 From: akohlsmith-pm at benshaw.com (Andrew Kohlsmith) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:29 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] DBD::Pg (XS compile question) Message-ID: <200304101629.26003@-mixdown.ca> My libpq.so requires ssl. make test is failing because libpq can't resolve BIO_new_mem_buf which is from libssl. I tried altering the DBD::Pg makefile and adding -lssl to the EXTRALIBS and LDLOADLIBS variables but still no go. This _almost_ smells like the lazy binding problem I had with uClibc, but this is on a glibc-2.3.1 system. Perl is dlopen()ing the pg lib but not resolving any dependencies the pg lib needs (libssl). Help? Regards, Andrew From akohlsmith-pm at benshaw.com Thu Apr 10 16:06:57 2003 From: akohlsmith-pm at benshaw.com (Andrew Kohlsmith) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:29 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] DBD::Pg (XS compile question) In-Reply-To: <200304101629.26003@-mixdown.ca> References: <200304101629.26003@-mixdown.ca> Message-ID: <200304101706.57707@-mixdown.ca> > My libpq.so requires ssl. make test is failing because libpq can't > resolve BIO_new_mem_buf which is from libssl. I'm an idiot. I was -lcrypt'ing when I should have been -lcrypto'ing. :-( Regards, Andrew From pm at datademons.com Thu Apr 10 16:19:21 2003 From: pm at datademons.com (Justin Wheeler) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:29 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] DBD::Pg (XS compile question) In-Reply-To: <200304101706.57707@-mixdown.ca> Message-ID: I think we've all done that at least once. Regards, Justin Wheeler -- Computer programmer (n): Red-eyed mammal capable of communicating with electronics and inanimate equipment. On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: > > My libpq.so requires ssl. make test is failing because libpq can't > > resolve BIO_new_mem_buf which is from libssl. > > I'm an idiot. I was -lcrypt'ing when I should have been -lcrypto'ing. :-( > > Regards, > Andrew > _______________________________________________ > kw-pm mailing list > kw-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm > From da at coder.com Fri Apr 11 11:40:53 2003 From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:29 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] poster, cookbook, foundation Message-ID: 1) Lloyd made us a poster. It's at http://kw.pm.org/posters/0403poster.pdf if you feel like printing a few copies and tacking them in public places. (Extra points if, like me, you don't usually go out in public...) 2) Nat Torkinton has been working on the 2nd edition of the Perl Cookbook. In his weblog on use.perl [0], he was just discussing how to read records from a filehandle where the record seperator is a regular expression. I've solved this problem for little domains; but as a general problem, it looks sort of messy. But WHY hasn't anybody solved it before and put it in CPAN? It's one of those itches I would expect somebody would have scratched already. 3) Nat also mentions that The Perl Foundation is running a (first ever) survey of how they should spend the Perl community's money in 2003. [1] If you have donated to the perl (foundation|mongers|monks) in the past, or even if you haven't, it's worth taking a couple minutes to fill out! -Daniel [0] http://use.perl.org/~gnat/journal/11599 [1] http://www.perlfoundation.org/index.cgi?page=survey -- http://coder.com/ - Prescient Code Solutions - (519) 575-3733 da@coder.com From da at coder.com Fri Apr 11 12:31:09 2003 From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:29 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] Slides from XML/XLS/XWT talk Message-ID: The slides from Andrew and Shawn's talk from January are now on the website. Have at 'em. (er, the slides, not Andrew and Shawn...) -Daniel http://coder.com/ - Prescient Code Solutions - (519) 575-3733 da@coder.com From da at coder.com Mon Apr 14 09:27:07 2003 From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:29 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] April /pub/social meeting- this Thursday Message-ID: Announcing the April meeting of the KITCHENER-WATERLOO Perl Mongers - kw.pm - For enthusiasts of the Perl programming language Topic: Food, fun, and a Camel. We will meet on Thursday, April 17th at 7pm at Barleyworks, in Huether Hotel, 59 King St. N., Waterloo. http://www.huetherhotel.com/barleyworks/ We will be somewhere within Barley Works; it's tough to reserve a specific spot in advance. I will bring a perl camel tee-shirt and drape it over a chair nearby. (Since it's so easy to see white-on-black lettering in a bar.) Anyway, if you're a newcomer, we'll look something like this: http://kw.pm.org/photos/1202-social.jpg Hope to see you there. -Daniel http://coder.com/ - Prescient Code Solutions - (519) 575-3733 da@coder.com From elbie at trig.net Wed Apr 16 11:10:43 2003 From: elbie at trig.net (Christopher Calzonetti) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:29 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] /pub/social Message-ID: <20030416161043.GA82420@trig.net> Friday's a holiday for your 9-5ers, and it's end of term for you studenty types! There should be no excuses! Come one, come all, to the KW Perlmonger's /pub/social, Thursday evening at the Barley Works, upstairs in the Huether Hotel. -- Christopher Calzonetti, Technical Lead, Trig.Net Web: http://www.trig.net/ Mail: mailto:chris@trig.net From da at coder.com Wed Apr 16 12:12:36 2003 From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:29 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] forward from Toronto perl mongers: road-trip? Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:50:58 -0400 From: Richard Dice To: tpm@to.pm.org Subject: Meeting 6:30pm Thursday 24 April 2003 @ 2 Bloor St. W. (NW corner of Yonge/Bloor), 16th floor Hello everyone... This is a reminder email regarding our meeting next week. I've attached the detailed description below, but in addition to this there is some other stuff that needs consideration. As discussed at past meetings, we're trying to start up good relations with other local Perl Monger groups; KW.pm and Buffalo.pm, namely. I've been emailing with Daniel Allen of KW.pm and Kevin Christopher of Buffalo.pm, and good things are happening. Daniel says that there are two KW.pm presenters who would be willing to come into TO next Thursday to present (following mine -- it's a double bill!). Presenter: Daniel Allen Talk: Perl Style Guides for Large Projects Slides: http://kw.pm.org/talks/1102-style-large/ Presenter: Andrew and/or Shawn Talk: HTML to XML to PDF and XWT (XML windowing toolkit) Files: http://kw.pm.org/talks/0103-xlstohtml-kwpm.pdf http://kw.pm.org/talks/0103-xwt-kwpm.pdf So, the question: is there any preference between these by TPM at large? Note that Daniel will also present his talk at YAPC::Canada in May. I have passed along an invitation to Kevin for all interested members of Buffalo.pm to come up for the evening as well. It'll be great to have 2 .pm's there that night... so why not make it 3? The more the merrier. Kevin and Daniel are both interested in seeing what talks we have within TPM that we could present. I'm working now to get access to our web archives (could take a few days... minor technical difficulty with that), but I've also put together an index page of the talks I've given to TPM: http://www.dice-con.com/tpm/ This isn't complete and it could be organized better. I'll be working on this stuff over the next few days. To all the other talk presenters out there, could you email Daniel and Kevin with lists of the talks you've done, URLs of the details & slides for the talks, etc.? Whatever you could put together for them would be appreciated. (Note to Kevin & Daniel: Please feel free to pass along this email and/or just the Data::Dumper talk description part at the bottom to the lists of your respective .pm's.) Cheers, Richard -/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ Time: 6:30pm, Thu 24 April 2003 Arrive approx. 10 minutes earlier than that or you will be locked out of the elevator by building security! Note that if this fate does befall you, you can call up to my cellphone (416-841-7365) *in this timeperiod only!* and we'll send someone down to get you. Location: 2 Bloor Street West (NW corner of Bloor & Yonge, CIBC Tower) 16th Floor, classroom 8 (but please check again on the day of the talk! the room may move) Speaker: Richard Dice Title: Data::Dumper -- is there anything it can't do? URL: http://www.dice-con.com/tpm/DataDumper Description: This is meant to be a smallish talk regarding the Data::Dumper module. Once only a part of CPAN, as of Perl 5.8.0 is has been migrated into the core modlib. Data::Dumper is used to "stringify" the contents of a Perl variable (including "complex" variable). This has two main uses: * the saving of a program's state to file, so that a program can be stopped and resumed at some future point in time * debugging Examples of these uses will be given, including some (but not all) "fancy" uses of the module. Limitations will be discussed. Alternatives to Data::Dumper will also be discussed (e.g. Storable, FreezeThaw). Here's a quick Data::Dumper example... rdice@RDICELAPTOP /usr/bin/rdice $ cat dd_test.pl #!/usr/bin/perl -w use strict; use Data::Dumper; my $foo = { a => { b => { c => [ 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, sub { return "Happy Happy Joy Joy" } ] } } } ; print Data::Dumper::Dumper($foo); exit 0; rdice@RDICELAPTOP /usr/bin/rdice $ perl dd_test.pl $VAR1 = { 'a' => { 'b' => { 'c' => [ 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, sub { "DUMMY" } ] } } }; -/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Dice * Voice 416 841 7365 * Fax 416 841 7364 University of Toronto Rotman School of Management MBA Candidate Class of 2004 * ShadNet Creator * http://shadnet.shad.ca Occasional Writer, HotWired / Webmonkey * http://www.webmonkey.com Speaker, Thunderlizard Web Design World Conferences * http://www.thunderlizard.com From akohlsmith-pm at benshaw.com Thu Apr 17 10:07:00 2003 From: akohlsmith-pm at benshaw.com (Andrew Kohlsmith) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:29 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] forward from Toronto perl mongers: road-trip? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200304171107.00410@-mixdown.ca> > Subject: Meeting 6:30pm Thursday 24 April 2003 @ 2 Bloor St. W. (NW > corner of Yonge/Bloor), 16th floor I thought this was supposed to be May/June time, wasn't it? I don't think it's a problem, I am just curious. From da at coder.com Thu Apr 17 16:30:49 2003 From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:29 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] forward from Toronto perl mongers: road-trip? In-Reply-To: <200304171107.00410@-mixdown.ca> Message-ID: I'm sure they wouldn't balk if you want to do it in May or June. The mail I originally sent, I suggested April, just 'cause it was convenient for my schedule. :-) -Daniel http://coder.com/ - Prescient Code Solutions - (519) 575-3733 da@coder.com On Thu, 17 Apr 2003, Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: > > Subject: Meeting 6:30pm Thursday 24 April 2003 @ 2 Bloor St. W. (NW > > corner of Yonge/Bloor), 16th floor > > I thought this was supposed to be May/June time, wasn't it? I don't think > it's a problem, I am just curious. > > >From your email "Toronto Perl Mongers" dated 31 March: > > We've gotten another *ping* from Toronto, asking if we want to do a talk > > swap. Perhaps some time this summer, we can invite one of their speakers > > here. They are still working out an entire list of the talks they've > > given, but to whet your appitite, last month somebody had: > > Regards, > Andrew > _______________________________________________ > kw-pm mailing list > kw-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm > From daniel at coder.com Thu Apr 17 20:12:27 2003 From: daniel at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:29 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] YAPC::Canada update Message-ID: At tonight's meeting, Chris suggested we talk about YAPC::Canada. I'm interested in organizing a road trip. If more than a few people go, we can rent a minivan and get there in style. For certain definitions of style, at least. Here's the latest I have. It's happening Thu. and Fri. May 15th-16th; registration is sort-of open (they are accepting pre-registrations, they are not accepting pre-payment); and if you're going, you should register for dorm space at Carlton ASAP (oops, that means me, too..) Price: $75 Can. for the conference; basic accomodations are $47/night. (3 nights? 2 nights? Depends how anxious people are to get back.) -Daniel ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 18:13:39 UT From: yapc@yapc.ca To: daniel@coder.com Subject: YAPC::Canada - A quick update A QUICK UPDATE FROM YAPC::Canada Now that we are just over a month away from the conference the planning team wanted to touch base with you. KEYNOTE Our keynote speaker is Dick Hardt from ActiveState. We are very pleased to have the first ever YAPC::Canada kicked-off by such a high profile representative from a Canadian company which has given so much to the Perl community. TALKS Thanks to everyone who has sent in abstracts for the meeting. Most have been refereed and if you have submitted one you will be hearing from us shortly. We have had a good number of quality abstract but we have enough time to accept a few more papers. So if you meant to submit one but missed the deadline please send it within the next 3 days. We will be making our final selections starting on Wednesday at 5:30 so no more submissions will be accepted past that point. RESIDENCE If you wish to stay in the residences, please contact the university right away. All details are at: http://www.yapc.ca/residence.html No one has expressed interest in hotel recommendations. We are assuming that most people will stay in the residences. Even if you are from Ottawa you might be interested in stay on campus to fully soak yourself in the YAPC experience! SPREAD THE WORD Attached is a PDF of our poster. If you know of others who might be interested in the conference you can print it out or forward it to them MISC HELP - If you have any problems, questions or concerns please do not hesitate to contact help@yapc.ca PAYMENTS - We will contact you shortly with details on how to pay for the conference. EMAILS - We will sending one or two more emails before the conference with any last minute details and announcements. Thanks and we look forward to seeing you next month! From da at coder.com Fri Apr 18 08:22:51 2003 From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:29 2004 Subject: hmmm... Re: [kw-pm] YAPC::Canada update Message-ID: I'll look into this; thanks for mentioning it. -Daniel On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 dcarr@freeshell.org wrote: > I'm confused, I filled out a pre-registration that says you cannot > pre-register after April 15th and it indicates you have to prepay but > provides you with no way to do so. From da at coder.com Fri Apr 18 11:46:22 2003 From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:29 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] TPM talks Message-ID: Hi, Last night we briefly talked about people from Toronto who have given interesting talks. Because I was sleep-deprived, I didn't remember the topics very well. Here are some details. These look like good talks; maybe we can entice this guy to come up here to give them. I'm planning to do some playing around with Class::DBI; it looks quite easy to use, and good abstraction too. -Daniel ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 16:18:57 -0400 From: Michael Graham To: kevin@binarymojo.net, daniel@coder.com Subject: my TPM talks Hi Kevin and Daniel, Richard Dice asked those of us who have given talks at the TPM to drop you a line and point you to our material. I've given two so far, one on Testing and one on Class::DBI. The slides are online at: http://occamstoothbrush.com/perl/talks/ Michael -- Michael Graham magog@the-wire.com From da at coder.com Fri Apr 18 15:24:19 2003 From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:29 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] YAPC::Canada Message-ID: The yapc.ca site has changed to say "register now- no obligation." and the sooner people register, the better notice they will have for planning purposes.. Jay says they'll get the payment part figured out and will contact registrants with details. -Daniel http://coder.com/ - Prescient Code Solutions - (519) 575-3733 da@coder.com From asbking15 at yahoo.co.in Sat Apr 26 04:59:44 2003 From: asbking15 at yahoo.co.in (=?iso-8859-1?q?A=20S=20Banerjee?=) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:29 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] seeking projects Message-ID: <20030426095944.68395.qmail@web8102.in.yahoo.com> Hello, We are a group of Software professionals. Kindly reply if you can provide any assignment/project for us. We have been engaged in working for past 7 years in the following areas - - Complete web site design & web based application development - Animation & Graphics development - Web Promotion, Email marketing - Client-server application software development (Oracle-d2k/Java/VB) - VPN, V-sat development - Translation related jobs in various languages - Copywriting - Medical Transcription Our charges are quite reasonable and we are well capable of handling turnkey projects well in the alloted timeframe. Presently we are working for offshore clients based in USA, UK, Australia, New Zealand, Belgium and Honduras. Please mail us back for our web site and all our official details. Hope to hear from you soon. Thank you so much, Sincerely, Anindya Banerjee ________________________________________________________________________ Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, Yahoo! TV. visit http://in.tv.yahoo.com From da at coder.com Sat Apr 26 08:18:19 2003 From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:29 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] seeking projects In-Reply-To: <20030426095944.68395.qmail@web8102.in.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have removed this subscriber's address from the list and sent them a notice that we don't want their commercials. -Daniel On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, [iso-8859-1] A S Banerjee wrote: > Hello, > We are a group of Software professionals. > Kindly reply if you can provide any assignment/project > for us. > We have been engaged in working for past 7 years in > the following areas - > > - Complete web site design & web based application > development > - Animation & Graphics development > - Web Promotion, Email marketing > - Client-server application software development > (Oracle-d2k/Java/VB) > - VPN, V-sat development > - Translation related jobs in various languages > - Copywriting > - Medical Transcription > > Our charges are quite reasonable and we are well > capable of handling turnkey projects well in the > alloted timeframe. > Presently we are working for offshore clients based in > USA, UK, Australia, New Zealand, Belgium and Honduras. > Please mail us back for our web site and all our > official details. > Hope to hear from you soon. > > Thank you so much, > Sincerely, > Anindya Banerjee > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, Yahoo! TV. > visit http://in.tv.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > kw-pm mailing list > kw-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm > From da at coder.com Mon Apr 28 08:57:59 2003 From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:29 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] YAPC::Canada Message-ID: The deadline for registering for YAPC::Canada is fast approaching! I've spoken with the accommodations people at Carleton, and there should be no problem registering for rooms, though spaces in their dorms fill up fast because of the Tulip festival in Ottawa happening at the same time. The conference is Thursday May 15th and Friday May 16th. I was planning to drive down the afternoon of Wednesday the 14th, stay in the dorms 3 nights with the other YAPCers, and drive back the morning of Saturday the 17th and I would love to carpool with folks from this area. We could get a laptop LAN party going. If we took two cars, we could have an 802.11b LAN party. The possibilities are truly endless. Or something. The total cost for housing is $46.98/night (including breakfast and taxes). The conference itself is $75 if you pay in the next week. If you want to go: 1) register on the site 2) download the accommodations form and fax it or mail it to Carleton 3) send $75 by cheque to the below address. 4) email me if you want to carpool ...pay no attention to the various deadlines scattered on the site; they are sadly out-of-date. The deadline dates in the email below are correct. -Daniel http://coder.com/ - Prescient Code Solutions - (519) 575-3733 da@coder.com On Mon, 28 Apr 2003 yapc@yapc.ca wrote: > > YAPC Canada payment information. > > We are now ready to accept payments for the conference. To make your payment > please send a cheque or money order payable to "YAPC Canada" to: > > 74 Bayswater Ave > Ottawa, ON > K1Y 2E9 > > The cost is: > $75.00 - regular > $45.00 - students - must present ID at conference > > US$52.50 - regular > US$31.50 - students - must present ID at conference > > MAKE CHEQUES PAYABLE TO: YAPC Canada > > Payment after May 7 > $85.00 - regular > $55.00 - students > > US$ 60.00 - regular > US$ 38.50 - students > > Again, MAKE CHEQUES PAYABLE TO: YAPC Canada > > Details on the conference finances are available online at > http://www.yapc.ca/finances.html > > IF ANY QUESTIONS ARE UNANSWERED - CONTACT help@yapc.ca > > Some Q & A > > Why should you pay early? > - YAPC Canada is run by volunteers - you will be making their life easier > - You will guarantee your spot at the conference > - It will help make the conference run more smoothly > > I am coming from the US and am worried about slow postage > - You may pay at conference given proof you are coming: > - if you are flying - fax us a copy of your itinerary > - if you are driving - contact help@yapc.ca for more details > (one contact for a group is fine) > > Can I pay by credit card > - No - cheque or cash please > > Will I get a receipt? > - Yes - at the conference > > Can I get X - where X is something not mentioned here? > - Write help@yapc.ca with your question > > Can I attend the conference without paying? > - Only the free tutorials on Thursday morning > > Can I get a refund? > - Yes - up to May 12 > > Why is this message so late? > - Sorry about that. We were delayed in opening a bank account for the > conference. Next year we'll gladly take your payment up to 12 months in > advance!