From da at coder.com Mon Nov 4 11:33:44 2002 From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:27 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] guest talks Message-ID: I've gotten a few emails from potential visitors and guest speakers I wanted to pass on to the list. Jay Lawrence, organizer of Ottawa.pm, has said he'd love to give a guest talk the next time he's in the area. Toronto.pm has offered to send us a guest speaker, some time in the indefinite future. I've been talking with their organizer and I will pass on a list of potential topics as soon as they have them put together. They are also interested in coming up with other ways to share resources with us. Reciprocally, I said that after our group has a few more talks under our belt, we would be happy to present to Toronto.pm as well. Last but not least, Matt Sargeant, of SpamAssassin and AxKit fame, has said he will stop by the next time he's in town; he has family in the area. The amount of goodwill in the perl community will never stop amazing me. Oh- speaking of which- Ottawa is in the running for YAPC 2003, Yet Another Perl Conference. -Daniel From da at coder.com Tue Nov 19 11:27:37 2002 From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:27 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] November Meeting Message-ID: Announcing the November meeting of the KITCHENER-WATERLOO Perlmongers - kw.pm - For enthusiasts of the Perl programming language Topic: Style Guides for Large Projects We will meet on Thursday, November 21st at 7pm at the offices of Quarry Communications, at 180 King Street South, the corner of King and Allen Streets in Uptown Waterloo. The doors to the Allen building are locked after hours. If no one is available to let you in the front at 7pm, go around to the back entrance to be buzzed in. To subscribe to our mailing list email kw-pm-request@mail.pm.org or visit http://kw.pm.org/ for more information. From da at coder.com Fri Nov 22 09:32:27 2002 From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:27 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] Slides for last night's talk Message-ID: Slides for last night's talk are at: http://kw.pm.org/talks/1122-style-large/ It is spelled with consistency. Thanks Robert, for nit-picking. :-) -Daniel On Fri, 22 Nov 2002, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > so where does one find these slides? > > rday > > > Robert P. J. Day, RHCE, RHCI > Eno River Technologies, Chapel Hill NC > Unix, Linux and Open Source corporate training > > http://www.linux-migration.org > > From da at coder.com Fri Nov 22 09:34:11 2002 From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:27 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] javadoc for perl Message-ID: Can the person who suggested that a filter for perl comments-to-documentation that worked like javadoc, provide any more details? Could it possibly be PolyDoc? http://juggler.ucsd.edu/lab_pages/sigs/polydoc/ -Daniel From sfllaw at engmail.uwaterloo.ca Fri Nov 22 09:47:21 2002 From: sfllaw at engmail.uwaterloo.ca (Simon Law) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:27 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] javadoc for perl In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20021122154721.GM16160@engmail.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 10:34:11AM -0500, Daniel R. Allen wrote: > Can the person who suggested that a filter for perl > comments-to-documentation that worked like javadoc, provide any more > details? > > Could it possibly be PolyDoc? > http://juggler.ucsd.edu/lab_pages/sigs/polydoc/ You should probably be using POD in the way it was meant to be used; directly in the middle of code. Typically, Perl source files aren't incredible huge, and you don't have to document each function for it to make sense. Simon From da at coder.com Fri Nov 22 10:04:00 2002 From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:27 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] javadoc for perl In-Reply-To: <20021122154721.GM16160@engmail.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: ...except, perhaps, in the non-typical situation where an organization wants to use a different method, such as javadoc style comments, to be consistent with their Java code. I don't think the suggestion was like 'print if /#/' or anything; just a convention for turning regular comments that were specifically documentation into docs. Generally, I agree about the use of POD instead of some weird homebrew (or otherbrew) doc system; I think I directly recommended the standard "comments for implementation, POD for interface" line. The discussion during the talk was between inline POD and EOF POD, and there was a comment that an alternative to inline POD that looked more like Javadoc did exist, since some people really don't like inline POD. -Daniel On Fri, 22 Nov 2002, Simon Law wrote: > On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 10:34:11AM -0500, Daniel R. Allen wrote: > > Can the person who suggested that a filter for perl > > comments-to-documentation that worked like javadoc, provide any more > > details? > > > > Could it possibly be PolyDoc? > > http://juggler.ucsd.edu/lab_pages/sigs/polydoc/ > > You should probably be using POD in the way it was meant to be > used; directly in the middle of code. Typically, Perl source files > aren't incredible huge, and you don't have to document each function for > it to make sense. > > Simon > _______________________________________________ > kw-pm mailing list > kw-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm > From elbie at trig.net Fri Nov 22 10:32:00 2002 From: elbie at trig.net (Christopher Calzonetti) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:27 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] Administratrivia Message-ID: <20021122163200.GB63143@trig.net> Good job on the talk, Daniel, thank you! I will get around to putting up the minutes hopefully sometime this weekend. On a slightly festive note, seeing as how next month's meeting would be awfully close to the holidays, and right at the end of exams for those of you on campus, we're thinking of having a more social meeting. At this point, we're thinking of meeting at the Heuther Hotel, possibly in the Barley Works upstairs, possibly in the back to make use of the pool tables (possibly both) on the 19th of December (the third Thursday of the month, as per usual). Does anyone have any other suggestions? Is this a good or bad venue for the rest of you? -- Christopher Calzonetti, Technical Lead, Trig.Net Web: http://www.trig.net/ Mail: mailto:chris@trig.net From da at coder.com Fri Nov 22 14:32:52 2002 From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:27 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] Administratrivia / YAPC In-Reply-To: <20021122163200.GB63143@trig.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Nov 2002, Christopher Calzonetti wrote: > Good job on the talk, Daniel, thank you! My pleasure; and thanks for hosting at Quarry as well as taking minutes. One followup note on something we were discussing last night; YAPC::NA, (Yet Another Perl Conference, North America) will be in Ottawa, June 25-27; the location and time are now set. There will be an official announcement in the next week. -Daniel > -- > Christopher Calzonetti, Technical Lead, Trig.Net > Web: http://www.trig.net/ Mail: mailto:chris@trig.net > _______________________________________________ > kw-pm mailing list > kw-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm > From dcarr at sdf.lonestar.org Fri Nov 22 15:06:52 2002 From: dcarr at sdf.lonestar.org (lloyd carr) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:27 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] Administratrivia / YAPC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: So where do we sign up for the bus? ;-) On Fri, 22 Nov 2002, Daniel R. Allen wrote: > Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:32:52 -0500 (EST) > From: Daniel R. Allen > To: Christopher Calzonetti > Cc: kw-pm@mail.pm.org > Subject: Re: [kw-pm] Administratrivia / YAPC > > On Fri, 22 Nov 2002, Christopher Calzonetti wrote: > > > Good job on the talk, Daniel, thank you! > > My pleasure; and thanks for hosting at Quarry as well as taking minutes. > > One followup note on something we were discussing last night; YAPC::NA, > (Yet Another Perl Conference, North America) will be in Ottawa, June > 25-27; the location and time are now set. There will be an official > announcement in the next week. > > -Daniel > > > -- > > Christopher Calzonetti, Technical Lead, Trig.Net > > Web: http://www.trig.net/ Mail: mailto:chris@trig.net > > _______________________________________________ > > kw-pm mailing list > > kw-pm@mail.pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > kw-pm mailing list > kw-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm > dcarr@sdf.lonestar.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org From da at coder.com Fri Nov 22 15:24:08 2002 From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:27 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] Administratrivia / YAPC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: www.greyhound.ca ? :-P On Fri, 22 Nov 2002, lloyd carr wrote: > So where do we sign up for the bus? ;-) > > On Fri, 22 Nov 2002, Daniel R. Allen wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:32:52 -0500 (EST) > > From: Daniel R. Allen > > To: Christopher Calzonetti > > Cc: kw-pm@mail.pm.org > > Subject: Re: [kw-pm] Administratrivia / YAPC > > > > On Fri, 22 Nov 2002, Christopher Calzonetti wrote: > > > > > Good job on the talk, Daniel, thank you! > > > > My pleasure; and thanks for hosting at Quarry as well as taking minutes. > > > > One followup note on something we were discussing last night; YAPC::NA, > > (Yet Another Perl Conference, North America) will be in Ottawa, June > > 25-27; the location and time are now set. There will be an official > > announcement in the next week. > > > > -Daniel > > > > > -- > > > Christopher Calzonetti, Technical Lead, Trig.Net > > > Web: http://www.trig.net/ Mail: mailto:chris@trig.net > > > _______________________________________________ > > > kw-pm mailing list > > > kw-pm@mail.pm.org > > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > kw-pm mailing list > > kw-pm@mail.pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm > > > > dcarr@sdf.lonestar.org > SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org > > From rblanco at texadasoftware.com Fri Nov 22 15:51:16 2002 From: rblanco at texadasoftware.com (Rolando Blanco) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:27 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] Specifying editing environment in source file itself Message-ID: As I mentioned yesterday in the meeting, there's a way to specify, in a source file, what editing environment should be used when editing the file. From the emacs manual: "A file can specify local variable values for use when you edit the file with Emacs. Visiting the file checks for local variables specifications; it automatically makes these variables local to the buffer, and sets them to the values specified in the file." To set the editing variables, the first or second line of the file must contain the variable specifications within '-*-' and '-*-'. Example: #!/usr/local/bin/perl # -*- mode: cperl; tab-width: 4; indent-tabs-mode: nil -*- This will make emacs display all tabs in the file with width 4. ...Rolando From rpjday at mindspring.com Tue Nov 26 07:35:23 2002 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:27 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] ready to order more ORA books Message-ID: by the end of this week, i'll be ready to put in another order for discount ORA books so, if you want any, any time between now and then would be a good time to let me know. i don't need any cash up front, but obviously, once i order, you're pretty well committed to buying them once they get here. :-) again, it's a 35% discount from the retail price, plus that obnoxious GST. i cover the shipping charges, which will be standard ground shipping. rday p.s. i have just two books left here from the previous order -- 2 copies of "javascript pocket reference" -- and i'll be at the next kwlug meeting. From rpjday at mindspring.com Tue Nov 26 08:00:10 2002 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:27 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] one more detail about discount ORA orders Message-ID: since i just got a question, let me emphasize that there is no short list of available books -- everything published by ORA is available. rday p.s. just to clarify the whole rationale behind this, no, i am not an ORA reseller, and i don't get a cut from this. i have a corporate account with ORA which gives me this 35% discount based on sheer volume of books i buy each year. the catch is that each order is *supposed* to be minimum 20 books, but ORA is pretty good about letting me get away with smaller orders. it *does* mean that, when i'm ready to order a few more books for myself, i really need to bulk up the order a bit to make it acceptable. so, no, there's nothing in it for me except the opportunity to order more frequently than i would normally be allowed to and still get my discount. From rpjday at mindspring.com Thu Nov 28 10:42:11 2002 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:27 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] one more time -- discount o'reilly books -- a clarification Message-ID: since i've had a few people email me asking about these discount o'reilly books, i'll explain this once more, with a few extra details. (even if you've heard this before, you might want to read all of it since i toss in a few more tidbits.) first, i'm not a reseller -- i don't make any commission off of this. because i teach unix/linux courses and use o'reilly books for most of my courses, i buy a few hundred ORA books every year and get a discount of 35% based strictly on volume. technically, i'm not supposed to put in a corporate order for less than 20 books, but ORA is pretty accommodating, so anything around 10 books or above, they'll take (even the little pocket references count as a book). this is my incentive to get an order together -- i want to order 2 or 3 books, but i need to fill out the order. the cost to you would then be standard retail price, minus 35%, then plus the 7% GST (i *think* that's the entire charge). there is shipping, but *i* cover that, just cuz i'm such a sweet and lovable guy. :-) at the moment, i have more than enough books for the next order, but i'm going to hold off until after monday's KWLUG meeting so anyone who wants to chat can ask me any unanswered questions. in addition, i'll bring a whacking good part of my ORA library to that meeting, just so folks can peruse. i have a number of the python books, perl books, most of ORA's XML/XSLT books, and a few networking books, in case you wanted to actually check the content before deciding to order. (in addition, since a few of these books are still in mint condition, i'm willing to let them go to the person who wanted to order a copy, and just let the copy that comes in replace mine, if they want their copy tout de suite. but that's up to them. they can look thru the selection and make the call.) finally, i'm also willing to give my opinion on any of the ORA books i know about. as one example, one person wanted a copy of "learning xml". what i recommended is the much newer "xml in a nutshell" instead -- more content, more up to date, and *still* appropriate for someone wanting to learn xml. so if you have questions, you can email or chat with me at the LUG meeting on monday, as i'll most likely be putting in the order on tuesday. i'll ask for generic ground shipping, so i can't predict when they'll get here but i'll have an educated guess. anyway, have i forgotten anything? see you at the LUG meeting. rday p.s. typically, i don't need payment until the books come in, or at the latest, when the next credit card statement is due. but that's never been a problem.