From q7u5 at ukr.net  Thu Jul  1 09:37:08 2010
From: q7u5 at ukr.net (Dmitrii)
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2010 19:37:08 +0300
Subject: =?windows-1251?b?wuDq4O3x6P8=?= Perl =?windows-1251?b?5OXi5evu7+Xw?=
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???, ???? ???-?? ?????? ? kiev-perl-users-group at googlegroups.com 

 

:) 

--- ???????? ????????? ---
?? ????: Oleg Alistratov <ali at ali.org.ua>
????: kiev-perl-users-group at googlegroups.com
????: Jul 01, 2010  19:32:34
????: Re: ???????? Perl ?????????


 > On 01.07.2010 19:27, deniszh wrote:
 > 
 > > OFFTOP: ?? ?????? Brainbench ?????? ?? Perl - https://twitter.com/alistratov/status/13232834861
 > 
 > ???????????. ???? ??????, ???? ?? RetraTech ???? ????? ? ????
 > ?? ???? ??????. ????? ?? ????????? ????? ?? 1999 ???, ????-?????.
 > 
 > ?? ????? ??? ??????????, ?????? ??? ??????, ??????????, ???.
 > 
 > --
 > Oleg Alistratov
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From q7u5 at ukr.net  Thu Jul  1 09:34:46 2010
From: q7u5 at ukr.net (Dmitrii)
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2010 19:34:46 +0300
Subject: =?windows-1251?b?wuDq4O3x6P8=?= Perl =?windows-1251?b?5OXi5evu7+Xw?=
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? ??? ?? ?????, ??? ?????? OFFTOP? 

 

?? ??? ???????? ?????? ?????????? ?????-??? ??? ???? 

 

?? ???? ???????? https://twitter.com/alistratov/status/13232834861 ??????????? ?????-?? ?????... 

 

??? ??????????? Oleg Alistratov.... 

 

?? ? ???? 

 

 

 

 

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?? ????: deniszh <denis.zhdanov at gmail.com>
????: Kiev Perl Users Group <kiev-perl-users-group at googlegroups.com>
????: Jul 01, 2010  19:27:31
????: Re: ???????? Perl ?????????

OFFTOP: ?? ?????? Brainbench ?????? ?? Perl - https://twitter.com/alistratov/status/13232834861
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From ali at ali.org.ua  Thu Jul  1 09:32:34 2010
From: ali at ali.org.ua (Oleg Alistratov)
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2010 19:32:34 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?0JLQsNC60LDQvdGB0LjRjyBQZXJsINC00LXQstC10LvQvtC/0LU=?=
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On 01.07.2010 19:27, deniszh wrote:

> OFFTOP: ?? ?????? Brainbench ?????? ?? Perl - https://twitter.com/alistratov/status/13232834861

???????????. ???? ??????, ???? ?? RetraTech ???? ????? ? ????
?? ???? ??????. ????? ?? ????????? ????? ?? 1999 ???, ????-?????.

?? ????? ??? ??????????, ?????? ??? ??????, ??????????, ???.



--
Oleg Alistratov


From denis.zhdanov at gmail.com  Thu Jul  1 09:27:31 2010
From: denis.zhdanov at gmail.com (deniszh)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 09:27:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPfBy8HO08nRIFBlcmwgxMXXxczP0MXS?=
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OFFTOP: ?? ?????? Brainbench ?????? ?? Perl - https://twitter.com/alistratov/status/13232834861



From s.gulko at gmail.com  Thu Jul  1 15:35:33 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (s.gulko at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 15:35:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?7sXQzM/Iz8og0M/T1CBHYWJvci3BIFN6YWJvIM7B097F?=
	=?KOI8-R?B?1CBUaGUgUGVybCBGb3VuZGF0aW9u?=
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http://blogs.perl.org/users/gabor_szabo/2010/07/what-would-you-like-tpf-to-do.html


From ykorshak at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 03:57:56 2010
From: ykorshak at gmail.com (yko)
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http://kiev.pm.org/?q=node/426

On 19 ???, 11:06, ipse <ipse... at gmail.com> wrote:
> ?? ? ??? ?????? ????????
>

From ipse666 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 01:06:36 2010
From: ipse666 at gmail.com (ipse)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 01:06:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPfT1NLF3sEga2lldi5wbQ==?=
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?? ? ??? ?????? ????????

On 18 ???, 13:02, "Serg V. Gulko" <s.gu... at gmail.com> wrote:
> ?? ??? ??? ?? - ???? ????.
>
> ? ???, 18/07/2010 ? 12:00 +0300, ?????? ? ???? ? ??? ??? ?:
>
> >    ? ? ?? ??? ?????? . ??????, ???  ?. ??? ????? ?????????? ? ? ? ??
> > ???? ????.?? ? ???? ?????? 3 ?? ?? =) ????????? ?? ??? ?????, ????
> > ?? ?  ??????  ??? ?? - ???? ? ?   ???? ??????
>
> > 18 ???? 2010  . 11:45 ??? ??? ??? s.gu... at gmail.com
> > <s.gu... at gmail.com> ???????:
> > > ??? ???  ?  ?????? ? ???? ? ? ? ?????, ?  ???   ? ?? ?? ? ? , ? ???
> > > ???? ? 30-40 ??? ? ?   .
>
> > > On 16 ???, 20:54, simne <simne... at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> ??, ? ?? ??? ??? ????-??  ?? ?? ?? ??? ;)
> > >> ? ? 2 ?????? ? ? ?,  ???  ???? ?, ??? ? ?? -  ?????   ?? ? 15:30
> > >> ????? ????????.
> > >> ? ? ?? ??? ? ???? ???? ?? ?? ?? ???? ? ?? ? ? ? ???? ??  ??? (??
> > >> ??? ?? ???????), ?? ? ? ?? ?? ?????? ??? , ???????? ? ?? ? ? ???..
>
> > >> On 16 ???, 16:46, ???? ??? ???  ????? <agnis... at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > ?? ?, ?  ?  ? ? ?  ? ? ??? ???? - ???   ?  ? ? , ? ???  ? ?????  ?
> > >> > ???... ??? ??? ?????????? ?, ? ? ??????????? ?? ??????.
>
> > >> > ??? ???? ? ??????? ???? ? ??????... ;) ???, ?????, ???????????
> > >> >   ??  ?? ? ? ? ?  ?? ?  ? ? ??  ? ??, ?  ?   ??  ??? ??...
>
> > >> > 16 ???? 2010 ?. 16:39 ???????????? Serg V. Gulko <s.gu... at gmail.com> ? ??? ?:
>
> > >> > > ? ?? ?  ??   ??? ?
>
> > >> > > ? ???, 16/07/2010 ? 16:01 +0300, ? ?????? ???? ? ??? ?????:
>
> > >> > > ? ?  3.

From agnislav at gmail.com  Sun Jul 18 03:09:47 2010
From: agnislav at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JDQs9C90LjRgdC70LDQsiDQntC90YPRhNGA0LjQudGH0YPQug==?=)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 13:09:47 +0300
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??????. ??????, ? ????? ???????...

18 ???? 2010 ?. 13:02 ???????????? Serg V. Gulko <s.gulko at gmail.com> ???????:
> ?? ??? ??? ?? - ???? ????.
>
> ? ???, 18/07/2010 ? 12:00 +0300, ???????? ?????????? ?????:
>
> ? ???? ? ?????? ???????. ??????, ??????. ??? ????? ???????????? ??? ??
> ???? ????.?? ? ???? ?????? 3 ????? =)  ???????? ?? ??? ?????, ????
> ???? ? ??????? ??????? - ???? ????? ????????????
>
> 18 ???? 2010 ?. 11:45 ???????????? s.gulko at gmail.com
> <s.gulko at gmail.com> ???????:
>> ??? ??? ?? ??????? ?????? ? ???? ?????, ?????????? ????? ????, ?????
>> ??????? 30-40 ????? ????.
>>
>> On 16 ???, 20:54, simne <simne... at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> ??, ? ?????? ??? ????-?? ?????? ?????? ;)
>>> ? ? 2 ?????? ?????, ? ???? ???????, ???????? - ?????? ???? ? 15:30
>>> ????? ????????.
>>> ? ? ?????? ? ???? ???? ?? ????? ???? ???? ? ??? ???? ?? ???? (??
>>> ?????? ???????), ???? ? ????? ?????? ????, ?????????? ?? ???????..
>>>
>>> On 16 ???, 16:46, ???????? ?????????? <agnis... at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > ????, ? ?? ????????? ????? ???? - ??? ??? ?????, ????? ? ??????? ??? ?
>>> > ???... ??? ??? ????????????, ? ? ??????????? ?? ??????.
>>>
>>> > ??? ???? ? ??????? ???? ? ??????... ;) ???, ?????, ???????????
>>> > ???????? ? ??? ????? ???? ??????????, ???? ????????????...
>>>
>>> > 16 ???? 2010 ?. 16:39 ???????????? Serg V. Gulko <s.gu... at gmail.com>
>>> > ???????:
>>>
>>> > > ? ?? ????? ????? ?
>>>
>>> > > ? ???, 16/07/2010 ? 16:01 +0300, ???????? ?????????? ?????:
>>>
>>> > > ???? ? 3.
>
>

From s.gulko at gmail.com  Sun Jul 18 03:02:29 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (Serg V. Gulko)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 13:02:29 +0300
Subject: =?koi8-r?Q?=F7=D3=D4=D2=C5=DE=C1?= kiev.pm
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?? ??? ??? ?? - ???? ????.

? ???, 18/07/2010 ? 12:00 +0300, ???????? ?????????? ?????:

> ? ???? ? ?????? ???????. ??????, ??????. ??? ????? ???????????? ??? ??
> ???? ????.?? ? ???? ?????? 3 ????? =)  ???????? ?? ??? ?????, ????
> ???? ? ??????? ??????? - ???? ????? ????????????
> 
> 18 ???? 2010 ?. 11:45 ???????????? s.gulko at gmail.com
> <s.gulko at gmail.com> ???????:
> > ??? ??? ?? ??????? ?????? ? ???? ?????, ?????????? ????? ????, ?????
> > ??????? 30-40 ????? ????.
> >
> > On 16 ???, 20:54, simne <simne... at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> ??, ? ?????? ??? ????-?? ?????? ?????? ;)
> >> ? ? 2 ?????? ?????, ? ???? ???????, ???????? - ?????? ???? ? 15:30
> >> ????? ????????.
> >> ? ? ?????? ? ???? ???? ?? ????? ???? ???? ? ??? ???? ?? ???? (??
> >> ?????? ???????), ???? ? ????? ?????? ????, ?????????? ?? ???????..
> >>
> >> On 16 ???, 16:46, ???????? ?????????? <agnis... at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > ????, ? ?? ????????? ????? ???? - ??? ??? ?????, ????? ? ??????? ??? ?
> >> > ???... ??? ??? ????????????, ? ? ??????????? ?? ??????.
> >>
> >> > ??? ???? ? ??????? ???? ? ??????... ;)  ??, ?????, ???????????
> >> > ???????? ? ??? ????? ???? ??????????, ???? ????????????...
> >>
> >> > 16 ???? 2010 ?. 16:39 ???????????? Serg V. Gulko <s.gu... at gmail.com> ???????:
> >>
> >> > > ? ?? ????? ????? ?
> >>
> >> > > ? ???, 16/07/2010 ? 16:01 +0300, ???????? ?????????? ?????:
> >>
> >> > > ???? ? 3.


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From agnislav at gmail.com  Sun Jul 18 02:00:31 2010
From: agnislav at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JDQs9C90LjRgdC70LDQsiDQntC90YPRhNGA0LjQudGH0YPQug==?=)
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? ???? ? ?????? ???????. ??????, ??????. ??? ????? ???????????? ??? ??
???? ????.?? ? ???? ?????? 3 ????? =)  ???????? ?? ??? ?????, ????
???? ? ??????? ??????? - ???? ????? ????????????

18 ???? 2010 ?. 11:45 ???????????? s.gulko at gmail.com
<s.gulko at gmail.com> ???????:
> ??? ??? ?? ??????? ?????? ? ???? ?????, ?????????? ????? ????, ?????
> ??????? 30-40 ????? ????.
>
> On 16 ???, 20:54, simne <simne... at gmail.com> wrote:
>> ??, ? ?????? ??? ????-?? ?????? ?????? ;)
>> ? ? 2 ?????? ?????, ? ???? ???????, ???????? - ?????? ???? ? 15:30
>> ????? ????????.
>> ? ? ?????? ? ???? ???? ?? ????? ???? ???? ? ??? ???? ?? ???? (??
>> ?????? ???????), ???? ? ????? ?????? ????, ?????????? ?? ???????..
>>
>> On 16 ???, 16:46, ???????? ?????????? <agnis... at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > ????, ? ?? ????????? ????? ???? - ??? ??? ?????, ????? ? ??????? ??? ?
>> > ???... ??? ??? ????????????, ? ? ??????????? ?? ??????.
>>
>> > ??? ???? ? ??????? ???? ? ??????... ;) ???, ?????, ???????????
>> > ???????? ? ??? ????? ???? ??????????, ???? ????????????...
>>
>> > 16 ???? 2010 ?. 16:39 ???????????? Serg V. Gulko <s.gu... at gmail.com> ???????:
>>
>> > > ? ?? ????? ????? ?
>>
>> > > ? ???, 16/07/2010 ? 16:01 +0300, ???????? ?????????? ?????:
>>
>> > > ???? ? 3.

From s.gulko at gmail.com  Sun Jul 18 01:45:13 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (s.gulko at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 01:45:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPfT1NLF3sEga2lldi5wbQ==?=
In-Reply-To: <8a3d3254-31c9-41cd-ae8e-34bf7bdbb3f7@q12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>
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	<c9455d17-3250-4afb-b1a4-1a073739584e@e5g2000yqn.googlegroups.com> 
	<AANLkTik5hJtorewS04Y0PNEWBA-ugWP0HLXjoR82vVQ2@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1278347487.2062.1.camel@localhost> <4C334E00.3090002@ali.org.ua> 
	<AANLkTimbnIDstOrn0NsRpnsj1Cg1SKOoaxxdtLVzkN2w@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1570a2d4-8129-48c4-930f-12863f23eba6@g19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com> 
	<AANLkTikDozTQM8SrtDbk6GJfzHbYBktRxLYJO4_vM6qY@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4C35DF72.1050300@ali.org.ua> <22cf56af-57a3-4d1a-84df-7ee9ba048523@d37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> 
	<AANLkTim3daGGpQOQbOnnQ2UkPf3iYfnjio4m05Wzxq1v@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1279287545.12070.0.camel@localhost> <AANLkTikj1TGPEeRrBrmC5gYjeGc3o_6En34XnF1_NB8z@mail.gmail.com> 
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??? ??? ?? ??????? ?????? ? ???? ?????, ?????????? ????? ????, ?????
??????? 30-40 ????? ????.

On 16 ???, 20:54, simne <simne... at gmail.com> wrote:
> ??, ? ?????? ??? ????-?? ?????? ?????? ;)
> ? ? 2 ?????? ?????, ? ???? ???????, ???????? - ?????? ???? ? 15:30
> ????? ????????.
> ? ? ?????? ? ???? ???? ?? ????? ???? ???? ? ??? ???? ?? ???? (??
> ?????? ???????), ???? ? ????? ?????? ????, ?????????? ?? ???????..
>
> On 16 ???, 16:46, ???????? ?????????? <agnis... at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > ????, ? ?? ????????? ????? ???? - ??? ??? ?????, ????? ? ??????? ??? ?
> > ???... ??? ??? ????????????, ? ? ??????????? ?? ??????.
>
> > ??? ???? ? ??????? ???? ? ??????... ;) ???, ?????, ???????????
> > ???????? ? ??? ????? ???? ??????????, ???? ????????????...
>
> > 16 ???? 2010 ?. 16:39 ???????????? Serg V. Gulko <s.gu... at gmail.com> ???????:
>
> > > ? ?? ????? ????? ?
>
> > > ? ???, 16/07/2010 ? 16:01 +0300, ???????? ?????????? ?????:
>
> > > ???? ? 3.

From agnislav at gmail.com  Sat Jul 17 02:39:18 2010
From: agnislav at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JDQs9C90LjRgdC70LDQsiDQntC90YPRhNGA0LjQudGH0YPQug==?=)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 12:39:18 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6INCS0YHRgtGA0LXRh9CwIGtpZXYucG0=?=
In-Reply-To: <8a3d3254-31c9-41cd-ae8e-34bf7bdbb3f7@q12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>
References: <3e0fff1d-8c5a-4342-a8db-9186af1673ec@18g2000vbh.googlegroups.com> 
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	<c9455d17-3250-4afb-b1a4-1a073739584e@e5g2000yqn.googlegroups.com> 
	<AANLkTik5hJtorewS04Y0PNEWBA-ugWP0HLXjoR82vVQ2@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1278347487.2062.1.camel@localhost> <4C334E00.3090002@ali.org.ua> 
	<AANLkTimbnIDstOrn0NsRpnsj1Cg1SKOoaxxdtLVzkN2w@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1570a2d4-8129-48c4-930f-12863f23eba6@g19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com> 
	<AANLkTikDozTQM8SrtDbk6GJfzHbYBktRxLYJO4_vM6qY@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4C35DF72.1050300@ali.org.ua> <22cf56af-57a3-4d1a-84df-7ee9ba048523@d37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> 
	<AANLkTim3daGGpQOQbOnnQ2UkPf3iYfnjio4m05Wzxq1v@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1279287545.12070.0.camel@localhost> <AANLkTikj1TGPEeRrBrmC5gYjeGc3o_6En34XnF1_NB8z@mail.gmail.com> 
	<8a3d3254-31c9-41cd-ae8e-34bf7bdbb3f7@q12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>
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????? ? 16:00 ???????. ???? ??????? ?????, ??? ? ???????. ??? ????

16 ???? 2010 ?. 20:54 ???????????? simne <simne007 at gmail.com> ???????:
> ??, ? ?????? ??? ????-?? ?????? ?????? ;)
> ? ? 2 ?????? ?????, ? ???? ???????, ???????? - ?????? ???? ? 15:30
> ????? ????????.
> ? ? ?????? ? ???? ???? ?? ????? ???? ???? ? ??? ???? ?? ???? (??
> ?????? ???????), ???? ? ????? ?????? ????, ?????????? ?? ???????..
>
> On 16 ???, 16:46, ???????? ?????????? <agnis... at gmail.com> wrote:
>> ????, ? ?? ????????? ????? ???? - ??? ??? ?????, ????? ? ??????? ??? ?
>> ???... ??? ??? ????????????, ? ? ??????????? ?? ??????.
>>
>> ??? ???? ? ??????? ???? ? ??????... ;) ???, ?????, ???????????
>> ???????? ? ??? ????? ???? ??????????, ???? ????????????...
>>
>> 16 ???? 2010 ?. 16:39 ???????????? Serg V. Gulko <s.gu... at gmail.com> ???????:
>>
>> > ? ?? ????? ????? ?
>>
>> > ? ???, 16/07/2010 ? 16:01 +0300, ???????? ?????????? ?????:
>>
>> > ???? ? 3.

From simne007 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 16 10:54:00 2010
From: simne007 at gmail.com (simne)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:54:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPfT1NLF3sEga2lldi5wbQ==?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikj1TGPEeRrBrmC5gYjeGc3o_6En34XnF1_NB8z@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3e0fff1d-8c5a-4342-a8db-9186af1673ec@18g2000vbh.googlegroups.com> 
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	<c9455d17-3250-4afb-b1a4-1a073739584e@e5g2000yqn.googlegroups.com> 
	<AANLkTik5hJtorewS04Y0PNEWBA-ugWP0HLXjoR82vVQ2@mail.gmail.com> 
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	<AANLkTikDozTQM8SrtDbk6GJfzHbYBktRxLYJO4_vM6qY@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4C35DF72.1050300@ali.org.ua> <22cf56af-57a3-4d1a-84df-7ee9ba048523@d37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> 
	<AANLkTim3daGGpQOQbOnnQ2UkPf3iYfnjio4m05Wzxq1v@mail.gmail.com> 
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??, ? ?????? ??? ????-?? ?????? ?????? ;)
? ? 2 ?????? ?????, ? ???? ???????, ???????? - ?????? ???? ? 15:30
????? ????????.
? ? ?????? ? ???? ???? ?? ????? ???? ???? ? ??? ???? ?? ???? (??
?????? ???????), ???? ? ????? ?????? ????, ?????????? ?? ???????..

On 16 ???, 16:46, ???????? ?????????? <agnis... at gmail.com> wrote:
> ????, ? ?? ????????? ????? ???? - ??? ??? ?????, ????? ? ??????? ??? ?
> ???... ??? ??? ????????????, ? ? ??????????? ?? ??????.
>
> ??? ???? ? ??????? ???? ? ??????... ;)  ??, ?????, ???????????
> ???????? ? ??? ????? ???? ??????????, ???? ????????????...
>
> 16 ???? 2010 ?. 16:39 ???????????? Serg V. Gulko <s.gu... at gmail.com> ???????:
>
> > ? ?? ????? ????? ?
>
> > ? ???, 16/07/2010 ? 16:01 +0300, ???????? ?????????? ?????:
>
> > ???? ? 3.

From agnislav at gmail.com  Fri Jul 16 06:46:46 2010
From: agnislav at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JDQs9C90LjRgdC70LDQsiDQntC90YPRhNGA0LjQudGH0YPQug==?=)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 16:46:46 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6INCS0YHRgtGA0LXRh9CwIGtpZXYucG0=?=
In-Reply-To: <1279287545.12070.0.camel@localhost>
References: <3e0fff1d-8c5a-4342-a8db-9186af1673ec@18g2000vbh.googlegroups.com> 
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	<AANLkTik5hJtorewS04Y0PNEWBA-ugWP0HLXjoR82vVQ2@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1278347487.2062.1.camel@localhost> <4C334E00.3090002@ali.org.ua> 
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	<AANLkTikDozTQM8SrtDbk6GJfzHbYBktRxLYJO4_vM6qY@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4C35DF72.1050300@ali.org.ua> <22cf56af-57a3-4d1a-84df-7ee9ba048523@d37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> 
	<AANLkTim3daGGpQOQbOnnQ2UkPf3iYfnjio4m05Wzxq1v@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1279287545.12070.0.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikj1TGPEeRrBrmC5gYjeGc3o_6En34XnF1_NB8z@mail.gmail.com>

????, ? ?? ????????? ????? ???? - ??? ??? ?????, ????? ? ??????? ??? ?
???... ??? ??? ????????????, ? ? ??????????? ?? ??????.

??? ???? ? ??????? ???? ? ??????... ;)  ??, ?????, ???????????
???????? ? ??? ????? ???? ??????????, ???? ????????????...

16 ???? 2010 ?. 16:39 ???????????? Serg V. Gulko <s.gulko at gmail.com> ???????:
> ? ?? ????? ????? ?
>
> ? ???, 16/07/2010 ? 16:01 +0300, ???????? ?????????? ?????:
>
> ???? ? 3.
>
> 16 ???? 2010 ?. 15:48 ???????????? s.gulko at gmail.com
> <s.gulko at gmail.com> ???????:
>> ?? ????????
>>
>> On 8 ???, 17:23, Oleg Alistratov <a... at ali.org.ua> wrote:
>>> On 08.07.2010 00:11, Denis Zhdanov wrote:
>>>
>>> > ... ?
>>> > ?
>>>
>>> , , .
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ali
>
>

From s.gulko at gmail.com  Fri Jul 16 06:39:05 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (Serg V. Gulko)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 16:39:05 +0300
Subject: =?koi8-r?Q?=F7=D3=D4=D2=C5=DE=C1?= kiev.pm
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim3daGGpQOQbOnnQ2UkPf3iYfnjio4m05Wzxq1v@mail.gmail.com>
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	 <AANLkTik5hJtorewS04Y0PNEWBA-ugWP0HLXjoR82vVQ2@mail.gmail.com>
	 <1278347487.2062.1.camel@localhost> <4C334E00.3090002@ali.org.ua>
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	 <4C35DF72.1050300@ali.org.ua>
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	 <AANLkTim3daGGpQOQbOnnQ2UkPf3iYfnjio4m05Wzxq1v@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1279287545.12070.0.camel@localhost>

? ?? ????? ????? ?

? ???, 16/07/2010 ? 16:01 +0300, ???????? ?????????? ?????:

> ???? ? 3.
> 
> 16 ???? 2010 ?. 15:48 ???????????? s.gulko at gmail.com
> <s.gulko at gmail.com> ???????:
> > ?? ????????
> >
> > On 8 ???, 17:23, Oleg Alistratov <a... at ali.org.ua> wrote:
> >> On 08.07.2010 00:11, Denis Zhdanov wrote:
> >>
> >> > ... ?
> >> > ?
> >>
> >> , , .
> >>
> >> --
> >> Ali


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From agnislav at gmail.com  Fri Jul 16 06:01:24 2010
From: agnislav at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JDQs9C90LjRgdC70LDQsiDQntC90YPRhNGA0LjQudGH0YPQug==?=)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 16:01:24 +0300
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???? ? 3.

16 ???? 2010 ?. 15:48 ???????????? s.gulko at gmail.com
<s.gulko at gmail.com> ???????:
> ?? ????????
>
> On 8 ???, 17:23, Oleg Alistratov <a... at ali.org.ua> wrote:
>> On 08.07.2010 00:11, Denis Zhdanov wrote:
>>
>> > ... ?
>> > ?
>>
>> , , .
>>
>> --
>> Ali

From s.gulko at gmail.com  Fri Jul 16 05:48:45 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (s.gulko at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 05:48:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPfT1NLF3sEga2lldi5wbQ==?=
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?? ????????

On 8 ???, 17:23, Oleg Alistratov <a... at ali.org.ua> wrote:
> On 08.07.2010 00:11, Denis Zhdanov wrote:
>
> > ... ?
> > ?
>
> , , .
>
> --
> Ali


From agnislav at gmail.com  Thu Jul 15 23:18:02 2010
From: agnislav at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JDQs9C90LjRgdC70LDQsiDQntC90YPRhNGA0LjQudGH0YPQug==?=)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 09:18:02 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6INCS0YHRgtGA0LXRh9CwIGtpZXYucG0=?=
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	<c9455d17-3250-4afb-b1a4-1a073739584e@e5g2000yqn.googlegroups.com> 
	<AANLkTik5hJtorewS04Y0PNEWBA-ugWP0HLXjoR82vVQ2@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1278347487.2062.1.camel@localhost> <4C334E00.3090002@ali.org.ua> 
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	<1570a2d4-8129-48c4-930f-12863f23eba6@g19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com> 
	<AANLkTikDozTQM8SrtDbk6GJfzHbYBktRxLYJO4_vM6qY@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4C35DF72.1050300@ali.org.ua> <9fcc9b5a-5ee5-45b4-bad6-7ee744eb9a55@b35g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>
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? ???????????, ?????, ? ???????? ?????...

16 ???? 2010 ?. 8:39 ???????????? s.gulko at gmail.com <s.gulko at gmail.com> ???????:
> ??????? ??? ????? ?? 6-?? ??????.
>
> On 8 ???, 17:23, Oleg Alistratov <a... at ali.org.ua> wrote:
>> On 08.07.2010 00:11, Denis Zhdanov wrote:
>>
>> > ... ?
>> > ?
>>
>> , , .
>>
>> --
>> Ali

From s.gulko at gmail.com  Thu Jul 15 22:39:50 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (s.gulko at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 22:39:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPfT1NLF3sEga2lldi5wbQ==?=
In-Reply-To: <4C35DF72.1050300@ali.org.ua>
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??????? ??? ????? ?? 6-?? ??????.

On 8 ???, 17:23, Oleg Alistratov <a... at ali.org.ua> wrote:
> On 08.07.2010 00:11, Denis Zhdanov wrote:
>
> > ... ?
> > ?
>
> , , .
>
> --
> Ali


From agnislav at gmail.com  Thu Jul 15 03:25:47 2010
From: agnislav at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JDQs9C90LjRgdC70LDQsiDQntC90YPRhNGA0LjQudGH0YPQug==?=)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:25:47 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6INCS0YHRgtGA0LXRh9CwIGtpZXYucG0=?=
In-Reply-To: <4C3EC1D9.1040709@ali.org.ua>
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++

15 ???? 2010 ?. 11:07 ???????????? Oleg Alistratov <ali at ali.org.ua> ???????:
>
>
> On 15.07.2010 09:25, s.gulko at gmail.com wrote:
>
>> ??? ?????? ???????? ??????? ? ??? ????????????
>
> ? ??????????? ????? ????????. ? ????????.
>
> --
> Ali
>

From ali at ali.org.ua  Thu Jul 15 01:07:53 2010
From: ali at ali.org.ua (Oleg Alistratov)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 11:07:53 +0300
Subject: =?KOI8-R?Q?=F7=D3=D4=D2=C5=DE=C1_kiev=2Epm?=
In-Reply-To: <aef69bad-2f90-4fc8-9418-b32c21b895e1@w30g2000yqw.googlegroups.com>
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Message-ID: <4C3EC1D9.1040709@ali.org.ua>




On 15.07.2010 09:25, s.gulko at gmail.com wrote:

> ??? ?????? ???????? ??????? ? ??? ????????????

? ??????????? ????? ????????. ? ????????.

--
Ali


From igor.bliss at gmail.com  Thu Jul 15 00:00:44 2010
From: igor.bliss at gmail.com (Igor nevermind)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 10:00:44 +0300
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPfT1NLF3sEga2lldi5wbQ==?=
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??, ???????????. ?????????? ? ??????! :)

15 ???? 2010 ?. 9:25 ???????????? s.gulko at gmail.com <s.gulko at gmail.com>???????:

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From s.gulko at gmail.com  Wed Jul 14 23:25:54 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (s.gulko at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 23:25:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPfT1NLF3sEga2lldi5wbQ==?=
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From xenomorph at mail.univ.kiev.ua  Fri Jul  9 13:46:50 2010
From: xenomorph at mail.univ.kiev.ua (Xenomorph)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 13:46:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPfT1NLF3sEga2lldi5wbQ==?=
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From simne007 at gmail.com  Fri Jul  9 13:19:03 2010
From: simne007 at gmail.com (simne)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 13:19:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPfT1NLF3sEga2lldi5wbQ==?=
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On 9 ???, 19:38, morion black <morion.estar... at gmail.com> wrote:
> ???????, ????? ?????? ?????? ????? ?? ???????? ?? ????????? ?????? ? ?????
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???? ?????? ? ???????? ?????? ? ? ???????????.

From morion.estariol at gmail.com  Fri Jul  9 09:38:26 2010
From: morion.estariol at gmail.com (morion black)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 19:38:26 +0300
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPfT1NLF3sEga2lldi5wbQ==?=
In-Reply-To: <0e83dd95-3bad-4585-8104-4c77b85e9cb9@q12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>
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From simne007 at gmail.com  Fri Jul  9 09:19:42 2010
From: simne007 at gmail.com (simne)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 09:19:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPfT1NLF3sEga2lldi5wbQ==?=
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On 9 ???, 18:08, morion black <morion.estar... at gmail.com> wrote:
> ? ? ???? ??? ??? ? ??? ??????????? ?????? ?? 20, ? ??? ? ???????
> ????????))))

??? ??????????, ??? ? ?????? ?????? ???? ?????, ????? ?? ? ???????.

From morion.estariol at gmail.com  Fri Jul  9 08:08:07 2010
From: morion.estariol at gmail.com (morion black)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 18:08:07 +0300
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPfT1NLF3sEga2lldi5wbQ==?=
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From simne007 at gmail.com  Fri Jul  9 07:44:33 2010
From: simne007 at gmail.com (simne)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 07:44:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPfT1NLF3sEga2lldi5wbQ==?=
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On 9 ???, 02:29, morion black <morion.estar... at gmail.com> wrote:
> ????? ?? ???????? ???????? ??????? ??????)
>
> ?.?. ??? ????? 0634912849 Morion(??? ????)

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????? ???? ??????.

From jeltoesolnce at aol.com  Wed Jul  7 14:13:41 2010
From: jeltoesolnce at aol.com (Vladimir Vasilenko)
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2010 00:13:41 +0300
Subject: =?utf-8?B?0JLRgdGC0YDQtdGH0LAga2lldi5wbQ==?=
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On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 23:41:53 +0300, s.gulko at gmail.com <s.gulko at gmail.com>  
wrote:

> ???????!
>
> ? ?????????, ???? ?? ????? ??????. ?????????? ?????????? ?????????? ??
> ???????. ? ????? ?????????? ???????? ??????? ????? ? ?????????, ??
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> ?????? ?????? ????:)
>
> On Jul 6, 6:40 pm, morion black <morion.estar... at gmail.com> wrote:
>> +1 =)


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From simne007 at gmail.com  Fri Jul  9 01:54:43 2010
From: simne007 at gmail.com (simne)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 01:54:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPfT1NLF3sEga2lldi5wbQ==?=
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On 9 ???, 02:29, morion black <morion.estar... at gmail.com> wrote:
> ????? ?? ???????? ???????? ??????? ??????)
>
> ?.?. ??? ????? 0634912849 Morion(??? ????)

??? ????? ??? ????? - ? ???? ???? ????? (??? ???????? ????????) ? ?
?????? ???? ? ? ???????.
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????? ??? ????????.

From morion.estariol at gmail.com  Thu Jul  8 16:29:23 2010
From: morion.estariol at gmail.com (morion black)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 01:29:23 +0200
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPfT1NLF3sEga2lldi5wbQ==?=
In-Reply-To: <718ce649-9b7c-491d-bb27-336e551925af@x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>
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?.?. ??? ????? 0634912849 Morion(??? ????)
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From simne007 at gmail.com  Thu Jul  8 13:20:08 2010
From: simne007 at gmail.com (simne)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 13:20:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPfT1NLF3sEga2lldi5wbQ==?=
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	<80fc23f9-eaf2-419d-b33b-834ee6bf9b53@5g2000yqz.googlegroups.com> 
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PS ?????? ?? ?? ????? ??????????????, ?????? ????????.

On 8 ???, 23:16, simne <simne... at gmail.com> wrote:
> ??, ? ??? ? ??????????? ????????, ? ? ??????????? ??????????? :D , ?
> ??? ????? ???????? ? ??????..

From simne007 at gmail.com  Thu Jul  8 13:16:44 2010
From: simne007 at gmail.com (simne)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 13:16:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPfT1NLF3sEga2lldi5wbQ==?=
In-Reply-To: <80fc23f9-eaf2-419d-b33b-834ee6bf9b53@5g2000yqz.googlegroups.com>
References: <3e0fff1d-8c5a-4342-a8db-9186af1673ec@18g2000vbh.googlegroups.com> 
	<3a6f7a36-3350-44c3-bb0c-291d9443da31@u7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> 
	<93785200-e36e-4927-9806-d7ae1523b64d@d8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com> 
	<80fc23f9-eaf2-419d-b33b-834ee6bf9b53@5g2000yqz.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <69eb7f79-6ce4-4d43-bd8c-17b335cb7bc0@x27g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>

??, ? ??? ? ??????????? ????????, ? ? ??????????? ??????????? :D , ?
??? ????? ???????? ? ??????..

? ????? ????? ???? ? ????? ?????? - ?????? ? ??? ?????? ???? ?????
?????? ?? ????????, ? ??-????? ?? ???? ?? ???? ???????.

???????? ??? ? ?? ???????? :( ???? ? ????? ??? ????? ????????? ? ?????
????????? ???????? ?????????, ?? ?? ??? ????? ???? ?? ??? Perl.

????? ? ????? ???? ????????? ?????????????? ? ?????? ?????

On 8 ???, 22:31, ipse <ipse... at gmail.com> wrote:
> ?? ? ???????? ???? ??? ?????? ????????? ? ?????? ? ??????? ????? ????,
> ???????? ?? ???? ???????? ?? ??????? ??????? "Perl ???????????"
>
> On 8 ???, 22:25, simne <simne... at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 8 ???, 19:28, ipse <ipse... at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > ? ?? ?  ?? ??. ???? ? ?? ?? ?  ??? ? ? ???? ?.
>
> >   ? ?? ????? ?  ??-?? ???? , ?? ?? ? ???? ? ? / ????/? ??-? ??,
> > ?????? ????????? ??? ???????? ?? ? ?? ???? ?? Perl ??  ?????, ????????
> > ??  ??? ??? ??  ?????,  ? ? ?  ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ,  ????  ???? ?? ?.
>
> > ? ??????? ?  ? ???? ????? ????????,  ? ???-?? ??? ?????????, ?????
> >        ?   ?  ? .
>
> > ???:  ? ?67 ??????????? ?6845

From ipse666 at gmail.com  Thu Jul  8 12:31:59 2010
From: ipse666 at gmail.com (ipse)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 12:31:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPfT1NLF3sEga2lldi5wbQ==?=
In-Reply-To: <93785200-e36e-4927-9806-d7ae1523b64d@d8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>
References: <3e0fff1d-8c5a-4342-a8db-9186af1673ec@18g2000vbh.googlegroups.com> 
	<3a6f7a36-3350-44c3-bb0c-291d9443da31@u7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> 
	<93785200-e36e-4927-9806-d7ae1523b64d@d8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <80fc23f9-eaf2-419d-b33b-834ee6bf9b53@5g2000yqz.googlegroups.com>


?? ? ???????? ???? ??? ?????? ????????? ? ?????? ? ??????? ????? ????,
???????? ?? ???? ???????? ?? ??????? ??????? "Perl ???????????"

On 8 ???, 22:25, simne <simne... at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 8 ???, 19:28, ipse <ipse... at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > ? ?? ?  ?? ??. ???? ? ?? ?? ?  ??? ? ? ???? ?.
>
>   ? ?? ????? ?  ??-?? ???? , ?? ?? ? ???? ? ? / ????/? ??-? ??,
> ?????? ????????? ??? ???????? ?? ? ?? ???? ?? Perl ??  ?????, ????????
> ??  ??? ??? ??  ?????,  ? ? ?  ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ,  ????  ???? ?? ?.
>
> ? ??????? ?  ? ???? ????? ????????,  ? ???-?? ??? ?????????, ?????
>        ?   ?  ? .
>
> ???:  ? ?67 ??????????? ?6845

From simne007 at gmail.com  Thu Jul  8 12:25:13 2010
From: simne007 at gmail.com (simne)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 12:25:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPfT1NLF3sEga2lldi5wbQ==?=
In-Reply-To: <3a6f7a36-3350-44c3-bb0c-291d9443da31@u7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>
References: <3e0fff1d-8c5a-4342-a8db-9186af1673ec@18g2000vbh.googlegroups.com> 
	<3a6f7a36-3350-44c3-bb0c-291d9443da31@u7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <93785200-e36e-4927-9806-d7ae1523b64d@d8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>

On 8 ???, 19:28, ipse <ipse... at gmail.com> wrote:
> ? ???? ??????. ????? ???? ?????? ????? ?? ??????.

? ??? ???????? ? ???-?? ?????, ?????? ?????? ????/?????/????-????,
?????? ????????? ??? ???????? ?? ???????????? Perl ?? ??????, ????????
???? ??? ??? ?????????, ??? ???????? ? ???? ????, ? ????? ????? ????.

? ????????? ??? ?????????? ????????, ??? ???-?? ?????????????, ?????
????? ???? ???????.

???: ????67 ?????????????6845

From xenomorph at mail.univ.kiev.ua  Thu Jul  8 09:32:13 2010
From: xenomorph at mail.univ.kiev.ua (Xenomorph)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 09:32:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPfT1NLF3sEga2lldi5wbQ==?=
In-Reply-To: <3a6f7a36-3350-44c3-bb0c-291d9443da31@u7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>
References: <3e0fff1d-8c5a-4342-a8db-9186af1673ec@18g2000vbh.googlegroups.com> 
	<3a6f7a36-3350-44c3-bb0c-291d9443da31@u7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <38e9d208-088c-42d3-9afb-aafb4b2aa3cd@w12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>

? ?? ? ???????? ??????, ?? ??? ?????? ???????? ??????????  - ? ??????
???? ????????, ???????? ???? ????.

From ipse666 at gmail.com  Thu Jul  8 09:28:33 2010
From: ipse666 at gmail.com (ipse)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 09:28:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPfT1NLF3sEga2lldi5wbQ==?=
In-Reply-To: <3e0fff1d-8c5a-4342-a8db-9186af1673ec@18g2000vbh.googlegroups.com>
References: <3e0fff1d-8c5a-4342-a8db-9186af1673ec@18g2000vbh.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <3a6f7a36-3350-44c3-bb0c-291d9443da31@u7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>

? ???? ??????. ????? ???? ?????? ????? ?? ??????.

From denis.zhdanov at gmail.com  Thu Jul  8 07:28:47 2010
From: denis.zhdanov at gmail.com (Denis Zhdanov)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 17:28:47 +0300
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPfT1NLF3sEga2lldi5wbQ==?=
In-Reply-To: <4C35DF72.1050300@ali.org.ua>
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??, ??? ?? ??? ??????? - ???????? ?????????, ?? ?? ??????? 2 ??? -
????? ???????? "?? ????? ?????????"... :(

8 ???? 2010 ?. 17:23 ???????????? Oleg Alistratov <ali at ali.org.ua> ???????:
>
>
> On 08.07.2010 00:11, Denis Zhdanov wrote:
>
>> ????... ? ??? ?????????? ????? ???? ????? ?????????? ? ???? ??? ???
>> ??? ?? ?????????
>
> ???? ?? ?????, ?????, ???.
>
> --
> Ali
>

From ali at ali.org.ua  Thu Jul  8 07:23:46 2010
From: ali at ali.org.ua (Oleg Alistratov)
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2010 17:23:46 +0300
Subject: =?KOI8-R?Q?=F7=D3=D4=D2=C5=DE=C1_kiev=2Epm?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikDozTQM8SrtDbk6GJfzHbYBktRxLYJO4_vM6qY@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3e0fff1d-8c5a-4342-a8db-9186af1673ec@18g2000vbh.googlegroups.com> 	<f9387261-dabe-4bc0-8e75-6743592c19db@w12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com> 	<c9455d17-3250-4afb-b1a4-1a073739584e@e5g2000yqn.googlegroups.com> 	<AANLkTik5hJtorewS04Y0PNEWBA-ugWP0HLXjoR82vVQ2@mail.gmail.com> 	<1278347487.2062.1.camel@localhost> <4C334E00.3090002@ali.org.ua> 	<AANLkTimbnIDstOrn0NsRpnsj1Cg1SKOoaxxdtLVzkN2w@mail.gmail.com> 	<1570a2d4-8129-48c4-930f-12863f23eba6@g19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com> <AANLkTikDozTQM8SrtDbk6GJfzHbYBktRxLYJO4_vM6qY@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C35DF72.1050300@ali.org.ua>




On 08.07.2010 00:11, Denis Zhdanov wrote:

> ????... ? ??? ?????????? ????? ???? ????? ?????????? ? ???? ??? ???
> ??? ?? ?????????

???? ?? ?????, ?????, ???.

--
Ali


From q at cono.org.ua  Thu Jul  8 06:49:37 2010
From: q at cono.org.ua (Alex Varyanick)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 16:49:37 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6INCS0YHRgtGA0LXRh9CwIGtpZXYucG0=?=
In-Reply-To: <19262dd5-8a00-4387-a369-8a45b549ba79@w31g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>
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2010/7/8 ipse <ipse666 at gmail.com>:
> ? ??????? ?? ?????? ????, ?.?. ? ????????? ??? ????? ??????? ??????
> ??? ????? 5.

??? ??? ?? ????? ???????, ?? ????? ??? ? ? ??????????? ??? ????
??????? ????? ??????? :)

-- 
Varyanick I. Alex
icq: 102 575 440
skype: cono..
q at cono.org.ua

From ipse666 at gmail.com  Thu Jul  8 05:55:22 2010
From: ipse666 at gmail.com (ipse)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 05:55:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPfT1NLF3sEga2lldi5wbQ==?=
In-Reply-To: <71269242-33d4-4f46-b98a-323ea7af6da9@g19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>
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? ??????? ?? ?????? ????, ?.?. ? ????????? ??? ????? ??????? ??????
??? ????? 5.

From ipse666 at gmail.com  Thu Jul  8 02:52:13 2010
From: ipse666 at gmail.com (ipse)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 02:52:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPfT1NLF3sEga2lldi5wbQ==?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikDozTQM8SrtDbk6GJfzHbYBktRxLYJO4_vM6qY@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3e0fff1d-8c5a-4342-a8db-9186af1673ec@18g2000vbh.googlegroups.com> 
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? ????.

On 8 ???, 00:11, Denis Zhdanov <denis.zhda... at gmail.com> wrote:
> ????... ? ??? ?????????? ????? ???? ????? ?????????? ? ???? ??? ???
>    ?  ???  ???
>
> 7   ? 2010 ?. 23:41 ???? ?? ???? s.gu... at gmail.com <s.gu... at gmail.com> ???????:
>
> > ???????!
>
> > ? ???????  , ???? ??    ??  ?????. ????? ???? ????  ???? ?? ???? ? ??
> > ???????. ? ????? ?????????? ???????? ??????? ????? ? ?????????, ??
> > ??????? ??????-?? ????????? ??????.
> >    ??? ??? ?? ? ? :)
>
> > On Jul 6, 6:40?pm, morion black <morion.estar... at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> +1 =)

From s.gulko at gmail.com  Wed Jul  7 14:27:59 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (Serg Gulko)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 00:27:59 +0300
Subject: =?koi8-r?Q?Re:_=F7=D3=D4=D2=C5=DE=C1_kiev.pm?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikDozTQM8SrtDbk6GJfzHbYBktRxLYJO4_vM6qY@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3e0fff1d-8c5a-4342-a8db-9186af1673ec@18g2000vbh.googlegroups.com> <f9387261-dabe-4bc0-8e75-6743592c19db@w12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com> <c9455d17-3250-4afb-b1a4-1a073739584e@e5g2000yqn.googlegroups.com> <AANLkTik5hJtorewS04Y0PNEWBA-ugWP0HLXjoR82vVQ2@mail.gmail.com> <1278347487.2062.1.camel@localhost> <4C334E00.3090002@ali.org.ua> <AANLkTimbnIDstOrn0NsRpnsj1Cg1SKOoaxxdtLVzkN2w@mail.gmail.com> <1570a2d4-8129-48c4-930f-12863f23eba6@g19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com> <AANLkTikDozTQM8SrtDbk6GJfzHbYBktRxLYJO4_vM6qY@mail.gmail.com>
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????? ????????? ?? ????????? ??????.

Serg Gulko

+38(050)553-7093

On 8 ???? 2010, at 00:11, Denis Zhdanov <denis.zhdanov at gmail.com> wrote:

> ????... ? ??? ?????????? ????? ???? ????? ?????????? ? ???? ??? ???
> ??? ?? ?????????
>
> 7 ???? 2010 ?. 23:41 ???????????? s.gulko at gmail.com <s.gulko at gmail.c 
> om> ???????:
>> ???????!
>>
>> ? ?????????, ???? ?? ????? ??????. ?????????? ?????????? ????????? 
>> ? ??
>> ???????. ? ????? ?????????? ???????? ??????? ????? ? ?????????, ??
>> ??????? ??????-?? ????????? ??????.
>> ?????? ?????? ????:)
>>
>> On Jul 6, 6:40 pm, morion black <morion.estar... at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> +1 =)


From morion.estariol at gmail.com  Wed Jul  7 14:15:41 2010
From: morion.estariol at gmail.com (morion black)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 00:15:41 +0300
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPfT1NLF3sEga2lldi5wbQ==?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimrJqCl4vMGc7qcHhYFrLK3ZK-sjsVCc_mYOoKS@mail.gmail.com>
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????...? ??? ?? 20 ?? ??????((
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From: agnislav at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JDQs9C90LjRgdC70LDQsiDQntC90YPRhNGA0LjQudGH0YPQug==?=)
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???? ?? ?????. ? ???????? ????????? ? ???????.

8 ???? 2010 ?. 0:11 ???????????? Denis Zhdanov
<denis.zhdanov at gmail.com> ???????:
> ????... ? ??? ?????????? ????? ???? ????? ?????????? ? ???? ??? ???
> ??? ?? ?????????
>
> 7 ???? 2010 ?. 23:41 ???????????? s.gulko at gmail.com <s.gulko at gmail.com> ???????:
>> ???????!
>>
>> ? ?????????, ???? ?? ????? ??????. ?????????? ?????????? ?????????? ??
>> ???????. ? ????? ?????????? ???????? ??????? ????? ? ?????????, ??
>> ??????? ??????-?? ????????? ??????.
>> ?????? ?????? ????:)
>>
>> On Jul 6, 6:40?pm, morion black <morion.estar... at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> +1 =)
>

From denis.zhdanov at gmail.com  Wed Jul  7 14:11:29 2010
From: denis.zhdanov at gmail.com (Denis Zhdanov)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 00:11:29 +0300
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPfT1NLF3sEga2lldi5wbQ==?=
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????... ? ??? ?????????? ????? ???? ????? ?????????? ? ???? ??? ???
??? ?? ?????????

7 ???? 2010 ?. 23:41 ???????????? s.gulko at gmail.com <s.gulko at gmail.com> ???????:
> ???????!
>
> ? ?????????, ???? ?? ????? ??????. ?????????? ?????????? ?????????? ??
> ???????. ? ????? ?????????? ???????? ??????? ????? ? ?????????, ??
> ??????? ??????-?? ????????? ??????.
> ?????? ?????? ????:)
>
> On Jul 6, 6:40?pm, morion black <morion.estar... at gmail.com> wrote:
>> +1 =)

From s.gulko at gmail.com  Wed Jul  7 13:41:53 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (s.gulko at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 13:41:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPfT1NLF3sEga2lldi5wbQ==?=
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???????!

? ?????????, ???? ?? ????? ??????. ?????????? ?????????? ?????????? ??
???????. ? ????? ?????????? ???????? ??????? ????? ? ?????????, ??
??????? ??????-?? ????????? ??????.
?????? ?????? ????:)

On Jul 6, 6:40?pm, morion black <morion.estar... at gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 =)

From ipse666 at gmail.com  Tue Jul  6 11:07:37 2010
From: ipse666 at gmail.com (ipse)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 11:07:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPfT1NLF3sEga2lldi5wbQ==?=
In-Reply-To: <4C334E00.3090002@ali.org.ua>
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???? ??? ???? ???? ? ?????????? ?????????, ??????? ?????? ? ??? ??
?????, ?? ?? ?????? ????? ? ???? ????? ????.

On 6 ???, 18:38, Oleg Alistratov <a... at ali.org.ua> wrote:
> On 05.07.2010 19:31, Serg V. Gulko wrote:
>
> >  ?, ???
>
> ?             ? ? ?.
>
> ? ?? ?? ???? ? ?????? ;)
>
> --
> Ali

From morion.estariol at gmail.com  Tue Jul  6 08:40:36 2010
From: morion.estariol at gmail.com (morion black)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 18:40:36 +0300
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPfT1NLF3sEga2lldi5wbQ==?=
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From ali at ali.org.ua  Tue Jul  6 08:38:40 2010
From: ali at ali.org.ua (Oleg Alistratov)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2010 18:38:40 +0300
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On 05.07.2010 19:31, Serg V. Gulko wrote:

> ??, ???

??? ??? ? ????? ???????.

? ?? ????????? ?????? ;)

--
Ali


From s.gulko at gmail.com  Mon Jul  5 09:31:27 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (Serg V. Gulko)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 19:31:27 +0300
Subject: =?koi8-r?Q?=F7=D3=D4=D2=C5=DE=C1?= kiev.pm
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??, ???

? ???, 05/07/2010 ? 18:12 +0300, Denis Zhdanov ?????:

> ??? ???????
> ????????, 7/11, ?? "????" (????, ????????-??????????) ?
> 
> 5 ???? 2010 ?. 17:21 ???????????? s.gulko at gmail.com <s.gulko at gmail.com> ???????:
> > ???? ????, ????????????? ????(??, ?????? ????)
> >
> > http://www.panoramio.com/photo/9624367
> >
> > On 5 ???, 13:32, ipse <ipse... at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> ? ????? ??????? ????
> >> ? ?? ???????? ???????.


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From denis.zhdanov at gmail.com  Mon Jul  5 08:12:44 2010
From: denis.zhdanov at gmail.com (Denis Zhdanov)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 18:12:44 +0300
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPfT1NLF3sEga2lldi5wbQ==?=
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??? ???????
????????, 7/11, ?? "????" (????, ????????-??????????) ?

5 ???? 2010 ?. 17:21 ???????????? s.gulko at gmail.com <s.gulko at gmail.com> ???????:
> ???? ????, ????????????? ????(??, ?????? ????)
>
> http://www.panoramio.com/photo/9624367
>
> On 5 ???, 13:32, ipse <ipse... at gmail.com> wrote:
>> ? ????? ??????? ????
>> ? ?? ???????? ???????.

From s.gulko at gmail.com  Mon Jul  5 07:21:38 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (s.gulko at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 07:21:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPfT1NLF3sEga2lldi5wbQ==?=
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???? ????, ????????????? ????(??, ?????? ????)

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/9624367

On 5 ???, 13:32, ipse <ipse... at gmail.com> wrote:
> ? ????? ??????? ????
> ? ?? ???????? ???????.

From viacheslav.t at gmail.com  Mon Jul  5 03:45:39 2010
From: viacheslav.t at gmail.com (vti)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 13:45:39 +0300
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_=D0=92=D1=81=D1=82=D1=80=D0=B5=D1=87=D0=B0_kiev.pm?=
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??? ??????? (8 ?????) ???????? ? ? ?? ? ????????????? ??????.

On Jul 2, 2010, at 1:57 PM, s.gulko at gmail.com wrote:

> ???????!
> 
> ?? Perl Mova ???? ????????? ???????? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ???
> ? ?????. ??? ??? ???? ?????????? ?? ???? ????, ????????, ?????? ??????
> ????????


From ipse666 at gmail.com  Mon Jul  5 03:32:45 2010
From: ipse666 at gmail.com (ipse)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 03:32:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPfT1NLF3sEga2lldi5wbQ==?=
In-Reply-To: <3e0fff1d-8c5a-4342-a8db-9186af1673ec@18g2000vbh.googlegroups.com>
References: <3e0fff1d-8c5a-4342-a8db-9186af1673ec@18g2000vbh.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <f9387261-dabe-4bc0-8e75-6743592c19db@w12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>

? ????? ??????? ????
? ?? ???????? ???????.

From igor.bliss at gmail.com  Fri Jul  2 12:00:05 2010
From: igor.bliss at gmail.com (Igor the Bliss)
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2010 22:00:05 +0300
Subject: =?KOI8-R?Q?=F7=D3=D4=D2=C5=DE=C1_kiev=2Epm?=
In-Reply-To: <3e0fff1d-8c5a-4342-a8db-9186af1673ec@18g2000vbh.googlegroups.com>
References: <3e0fff1d-8c5a-4342-a8db-9186af1673ec@18g2000vbh.googlegroups.com>
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02.07.2010 13:57, s.gulko at gmail.com ?????:
> ???????!
>
> ?? Perl Mova ???? ????????? ???????? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ???
> ? ?????. ??? ??? ???? ?????????? ?? ???? ????, ????????, ?????? ??????
> ????????
???????? ????, ??? ?????? ???? ?? ? ???? ????????? ??????. ?? ???????? 
???-?? ?? ?????? ? ????...


From agnislav at gmail.com  Fri Jul  2 08:20:26 2010
From: agnislav at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JDQs9C90LjRgdC70LDQsiDQntC90YPRhNGA0LjQudGH0YPQug==?=)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 18:20:26 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6INCS0YHRgtGA0LXRh9CwIGtpZXYucG0=?=
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	<AANLkTim1aBdgU4JQz0sq326m6gBkmbMguCZI0ejEwA_K@mail.gmail.com> 
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+1. ?????? ??????????, ????????, ???? ?????????? ????? - ?? ?????????
???? ?????????...

2 ???? 2010 ?. 16:12 ???????????? morion black
<morion.estariol at gmail.com> ???????:
> ???? ??????? ??????????

From morion.estariol at gmail.com  Fri Jul  2 06:12:04 2010
From: morion.estariol at gmail.com (morion black)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 16:12:04 +0300
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPfT1NLF3sEga2lldi5wbQ==?=
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???? ??????? ??????????
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From denis.zhdanov at gmail.com  Fri Jul  2 05:51:28 2010
From: denis.zhdanov at gmail.com (Denis Zhdanov)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 15:51:28 +0300
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPfT1NLF3sEga2lldi5wbQ==?=
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??? ????????? ?? 19 - ????? ??? ??? ? 19:30 ?????????? :)
????? ????????? ?? 19:30 - ?????????? ? ?????? ...

2 ???? 2010 ?. 14:29 ???????????? Alex Varyanick <q at cono.org.ua> ???????:
> 2010/7/2 s.gulko at gmail.com <s.gulko at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> ??????
>>>
>> ????? ?? 7-?? ??????
>
> ?? 7 ????????...
> ?? ???? ???????? ???? "??"
>
> --
> Varyanick I. Alex
> icq: 102 575 440
> skype: cono..
> q at cono.org.ua
>

From q at cono.org.ua  Fri Jul  2 04:29:38 2010
From: q at cono.org.ua (Alex Varyanick)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 14:29:38 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6INCS0YHRgtGA0LXRh9CwIGtpZXYucG0=?=
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2010/7/2 s.gulko at gmail.com <s.gulko at gmail.com>:
>>
>> ??????
>>
> ????? ?? 7-?? ??????

?? 7 ????????...
?? ???? ???????? ???? "??"

-- 
Varyanick I. Alex
icq: 102 575 440
skype: cono..
q at cono.org.ua

From s.gulko at gmail.com  Fri Jul  2 04:24:17 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (s.gulko at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 04:24:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPfT1NLF3sEga2lldi5wbQ==?=
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>
> ??????
>
????? ?? 7-?? ??????

From denis.zhdanov at gmail.com  Fri Jul  2 04:18:23 2010
From: denis.zhdanov at gmail.com (Denis Zhdanov)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 14:18:23 +0300
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPfT1NLF3sEga2lldi5wbQ==?=
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????? ???? ????? ?? ??????????? ? ?????????????? ??????????????? ????? ????????.
?????? ??????? - ???? ??????????.

2 ???? 2010 ?. 14:03 ???????????? Alex Varyanick <q at cono.org.ua> ???????:
> 2010/7/2 s.gulko at gmail.com <s.gulko at gmail.com>:
>> ???????!
>>
>> ?? Perl Mova ???? ????????? ???????? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ???
>> ? ?????. ??? ??? ???? ?????????? ?? ???? ????, ????????, ?????? ??????
>> ????????
>
> ??????
>
>
> --
> Varyanick I. Alex
> icq: 102 575 440
> skype: cono..
> q at cono.org.ua
>

From q at cono.org.ua  Fri Jul  2 04:03:29 2010
From: q at cono.org.ua (Alex Varyanick)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 14:03:29 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6INCS0YHRgtGA0LXRh9CwIGtpZXYucG0=?=
In-Reply-To: <3e0fff1d-8c5a-4342-a8db-9186af1673ec@18g2000vbh.googlegroups.com>
References: <3e0fff1d-8c5a-4342-a8db-9186af1673ec@18g2000vbh.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTilmvPmavAg04JIR7t2jCnz-4g1wh9-MZw2FV3TB@mail.gmail.com>

2010/7/2 s.gulko at gmail.com <s.gulko at gmail.com>:
> ???????!
>
> ?? Perl Mova ???? ????????? ???????? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ???
> ? ?????. ??? ??? ???? ?????????? ?? ???? ????, ????????, ?????? ??????
> ????????

??????


-- 
Varyanick I. Alex
icq: 102 575 440
skype: cono..
q at cono.org.ua

From s.gulko at gmail.com  Fri Jul  2 03:57:41 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (s.gulko at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 03:57:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?99PU0sXewSBraWV2LnBt?=
Message-ID: <3e0fff1d-8c5a-4342-a8db-9186af1673ec@18g2000vbh.googlegroups.com>

???????!

?? Perl Mova ???? ????????? ???????? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ???
? ?????. ??? ??? ???? ?????????? ?? ???? ????, ????????, ?????? ??????
????????

From =?utf-8?Q?=D0=9A=D0=BB=D0=B8=D0=BC=D0=B5=D0=BD=D0=BA=D0=BE_=D0=A1?=  Fri Jul  2 07:37:12 2010
From: =?utf-8?Q?=D0=9A=D0=BB=D0=B8=D0=BC=D0=B5=D0=BD=D0=BA=D0=BE_=D0=A1?= (=?utf-8?Q?=D0=9A=D0=BB=D0=B8=D0=BC=D0=B5=D0=BD=D0=BA=D0=BE_=D0=A1?=)
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2010 17:37:12 +0300
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re=3A_=D0=92=D1=81=D1=82=D1=80=D0=B5=D1=87=D0=B0?=
Message-ID: <20100702173712.ae20e155@mail.dark-stream.net>


? ?? ??????????, ?? ? ?????? ? ?????? ????((


? ??. ?????? ????????.


From denis.zhdanov at gmail.com  Sat Jul  3 04:33:57 2010
From: denis.zhdanov at gmail.com (Denis Zhdanov)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 14:33:57 +0300
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IOXT1NggzMkg1sXMwcDdycUg19nT1NXQydQ=?=
	=?KOI8-R?B?2CDOwSBGT1NTIEZlc3QgMjAxMD8=?=
In-Reply-To: <4dc54e8c-7e83-49bd-b620-13796c7fa407@a30g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>
References: <4dc54e8c-7e83-49bd-b620-13796c7fa407@a30g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin94IDsUshxXyIUmfYtu6cOFvccGuoRncQ3i4oE@mail.gmail.com>

? ? ???????? - ?? ????? ?? ??????? ?? FOSS.... :(

3 ???? 2010 ?. 12:18 ???????????? s.gulko at gmail.com <s.gulko at gmail.com> ???????:
> ???????!
>
> ? ?????, ??? ?? ??? ???? ??? ?? ???????? ????????, ??? ? 29-?? ???? ??
> 1-?? ??????? ??? ??????? ??????? FOSS Fest 2010.
> ???? ?? ??????? ????????? ??? ? ?????-?????? ????????, ?????????? ??
> ????? ????? ????(??? ?? ??? ??? ?????? perl:)). ???? ?? ????????
> ????????????? ? ?????????????
>

From s.gulko at gmail.com  Sat Jul  3 04:07:35 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (s.gulko at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 04:07:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IOXT1NggzMkg1sXMwcDdycUg19nT1NXQydQ=?=
	=?KOI8-R?B?2CDOwSBGT1NTIEZlc3QgMjAxMD8=?=
In-Reply-To: <op.ve9kc0szt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>
References: <4dc54e8c-7e83-49bd-b620-13796c7fa407@a30g2000yqn.googlegroups.com> 
	<op.ve9kc0szt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>
Message-ID: <496f9183-6efd-40f6-a0f2-2a63aa8928ce@d8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>

? ??? ???? ????? ???????:)
use perl;

On 3 ???, 13:49, "Vladimir Vasilenko" <jeltoesol... at aol.com> wrote:
> ????? ????? ???? ???????? ???????? ???: "Perl - ??? ????? ???? ?
> ????????????????" :-).
>
> On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 12:18:55 +0300, s.gu... at gmail.com <s.gu... at gmail.com> ?
> wrote:
>
> > ???????!
>
> > ? ?????, ??? ?? ??? ???? ??? ?? ???????? ????????, ??? ? 29-?? ???? ??
> > 1-?? ??????? ??? ??????? ??????? FOSS Fest 2010.
> > ???? ?? ??????? ????????? ??? ? ?????-?????? ????????, ?????????? ??
> > ????? ????? ????(??? ?? ??? ??? ?????? perl:)). ???? ?? ????????
> > ????????????? ? ?????????????
>
> --
> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client:http://www.opera.com/mail/

From jeltoesolnce at aol.com  Sat Jul  3 03:49:44 2010
From: jeltoesolnce at aol.com (Vladimir Vasilenko)
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2010 13:49:44 +0300
Subject: =?utf-8?B?0JXRgdGC0Ywg0LvQuCDQttC10LvQsNGO0YnQuNC1INCy0YvRgdGC0YPQvw==?=
 =?utf-8?B?0LjRgtGMINC90LAgRk9TUyBGZXN0IDIwMTA/?=
In-Reply-To: <4dc54e8c-7e83-49bd-b620-13796c7fa407@a30g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>
References: <4dc54e8c-7e83-49bd-b620-13796c7fa407@a30g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <op.ve9kc0szt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>

????? ????? ???? ???????? ???????? ???: "Perl - ??? ????? ????  
????????????????" :-).

On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 12:18:55 +0300, s.gulko at gmail.com <s.gulko at gmail.com>  
wrote:

> ???????!
>
> ? ?????, ??? ?? ??? ???? ??? ?? ???????? ????????, ??? ? 29-?? ???? ??
> 1-?? ??????? ??? ??????? ??????? FOSS Fest 2010.
> ???? ?? ??????? ????????? ??? ? ?????-?????? ????????, ?????????? ??
> ????? ????? ????(??? ?? ??? ??? ?????? perl:)). ???? ?? ????????
> ????????????? ? ?????????????


-- 
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From s.gulko at gmail.com  Sat Jul  3 02:18:55 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (s.gulko at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 02:18:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?5dPU2CDMySDWxczBwN3JxSDX2dPU1dDJ1Nggzg==?=
	=?KOI8-R?B?wSBGT1NTIEZlc3QgMjAxMD8=?=
Message-ID: <4dc54e8c-7e83-49bd-b620-13796c7fa407@a30g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>

???????!

? ?????, ??? ?? ??? ???? ??? ?? ???????? ????????, ??? ? 29-?? ???? ??
1-?? ??????? ??? ??????? ??????? FOSS Fest 2010.
???? ?? ??????? ????????? ??? ? ?????-?????? ????????, ?????????? ??
????? ????? ????(??? ?? ??? ??? ?????? perl:)). ???? ?? ????????
????????????? ? ?????????????

From ipse666 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 12 04:13:44 2010
From: ipse666 at gmail.com (ipse)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 04:13:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IO/exdLFxM7PyiBQZXJsLUZlc3Q=?=
In-Reply-To: <op.vfkjgyh1t0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>
References: <op.vfkiemgdt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork> <AANLkTilaAFpjQGCrN1h-jwckOsmkKLq7soJUg5DDml-4@mail.gmail.com> 
	<op.vfkjgyh1t0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>
Message-ID: <26bdedf6-5a25-42ed-9cc0-731feb8246c9@q12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>

? ????.

From jeltoesolnce at aol.com  Fri Jul  9 02:04:00 2010
From: jeltoesolnce at aol.com (Vladimir Vasilenko)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 12:04:00 +0300
Subject: =?utf-8?B?0J7Rh9C10YDQtdC00L3QvtC5IFBlcmwtRmVzdA==?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilaAFpjQGCrN1h-jwckOsmkKLq7soJUg5DDml-4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <op.vfkiemgdt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>
 <AANLkTilaAFpjQGCrN1h-jwckOsmkKLq7soJUg5DDml-4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.vfkjgyh1t0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>

"??????" - ??? "?????" ????? ????????? ????, ????? ????). ????, ????-??  
???????...

On Fri, 09 Jul 2010 12:00:42 +0300, ???????? ?????????  
<sharifulin at gmail.com> wrote:

> ? ?? ??????????? ? ? ????????????? ???? ?????, ???????????? ?????? - ???  
> ???
> ?????????? ???)
>
> 2010/7/9 Vladimir Vasilenko <jeltoesolnce at aol.com>
>
>> ? ??????? ??? ???????? ? ???????????? ??? ????? ????? ?????? ?? ?????,  
>> ???
>> ????? ????????? ??????? ??? ??? ?? ??????).
>>
>>
>> ????????.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
>
>
>
>


-- 
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From viacheslav.t at gmail.com  Fri Jul  9 02:03:22 2010
From: viacheslav.t at gmail.com (vti)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 12:03:22 +0300
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_=D0=9E=D1=87=D0=B5=D1=80=D0=B5=D0=B4=D0=BD=D0=BE?=
 =?utf-8?Q?=D0=B9_Perl-Fest?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilaAFpjQGCrN1h-jwckOsmkKLq7soJUg5DDml-4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <op.vfkiemgdt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork> <AANLkTilaAFpjQGCrN1h-jwckOsmkKLq7soJUg5DDml-4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EB2A901C-E7E8-4E2D-88A3-5DA829EE6851@gmail.com>

? ? ???????????? ???? ? 20-? ?????? ??????? ;p

On Jul 9, 2010, at 12:00 PM, ???????? ????????? wrote:

> ? ?? ??????????? ? ? ????????????? ???? ?????, ???????????? ?????? ? ??? ??? ?????????? ???)
> 
> -- 
> ? ?????????,
>  ???????? ?????????.


From sharifulin at gmail.com  Fri Jul  9 02:00:42 2010
From: sharifulin at gmail.com (=?KOI8-R?B?4c7B1M/Mycog+8HSycbVzMnO?=)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 13:00:42 +0400
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IO/exdLFxM7PyiBQZXJsLUZlc3Q=?=
In-Reply-To: <op.vfkiemgdt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>
References: <op.vfkiemgdt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>
Message-ID: <AANLkTilaAFpjQGCrN1h-jwckOsmkKLq7soJUg5DDml-4@mail.gmail.com>

? ?? ??????????? ? ? ????????????? ???? ?????, ???????????? ?????? - ??? ???
?????????? ???)

2010/7/9 Vladimir Vasilenko <jeltoesolnce at aol.com>

> ? ??????? ??? ???????? ? ???????????? ??? ????? ????? ?????? ?? ?????, ???
> ????? ????????? ??????? ??? ??? ?? ??????).
>
>
> ????????.
>
>
> --
> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/




-- 
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From jeltoesolnce at aol.com  Fri Jul  9 01:57:21 2010
From: jeltoesolnce at aol.com (Vladimir Vasilenko)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 11:57:21 +0300
Subject: =?utf-8?B?0J7Rh9C10YDQtdC00L3QvtC5IFBlcmwtRmVzdA==?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim5M5EkJ3p2Ei3oI44U0fhOwxHVfJynVxe99H4K@mail.gmail.com>
References: <op.vfkiemgdt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>
 <AANLkTim5M5EkJ3p2Ei3oI44U0fhOwxHVfJynVxe99H4K@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.vfki5vm4t0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>

????, ?????).

On Fri, 09 Jul 2010 11:56:27 +0300, Denis Zhdanov  
<denis.zhdanov at gmail.com> wrote:

> ?????
>
> ?? Perl Mova ???? ?????? - ???? ???? ?? ??????? ???? ? ???? ????...
>
> 9 ???? 2010 ?. 11:41 ???????????? Vladimir Vasilenko
> <jeltoesolnce at aol.com> ???????:
>> ? ??????? ??? ???????? ? ???????????? ??? ????? ????? ?????? ?? ?????,  
>> ???
>> ????? ????????? ??????? ??? ??? ?? ??????).
>>
>>
>> ????????.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/


-- 
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From denis.zhdanov at gmail.com  Fri Jul  9 01:56:27 2010
From: denis.zhdanov at gmail.com (Denis Zhdanov)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:56:27 +0300
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IO/exdLFxM7PyiBQZXJsLUZlc3Q=?=
In-Reply-To: <op.vfkiemgdt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>
References: <op.vfkiemgdt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim5M5EkJ3p2Ei3oI44U0fhOwxHVfJynVxe99H4K@mail.gmail.com>

?????

?? Perl Mova ???? ?????? - ???? ???? ?? ??????? ???? ? ???? ????...

9 ???? 2010 ?. 11:41 ???????????? Vladimir Vasilenko
<jeltoesolnce at aol.com> ???????:
> ? ??????? ??? ???????? ? ???????????? ??? ????? ????? ?????? ?? ?????, ???
> ????? ????????? ??????? ??? ??? ?? ??????).
>
>
> ????????.
>
>
> --
> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

From jeltoesolnce at aol.com  Fri Jul  9 01:41:00 2010
From: jeltoesolnce at aol.com (Vladimir Vasilenko)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 11:41:00 +0300
Subject: =?utf-8?B?0J7Rh9C10YDQtdC00L3QvtC5IFBlcmwtRmVzdA==?=
Message-ID: <op.vfkiemgdt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>

? ??????? ??? ???????? ? ???????????? ??? ????? ????? ?????? ?? ?????, ???  
????? ????????? ??????? ??? ??? ?? ??????).


????????.


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From jeltoesolnce at aol.com  Sat Jul 10 08:47:23 2010
From: jeltoesolnce at aol.com (Vladimir Vasilenko)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 18:47:23 +0300
Subject: =?utf-8?B?0JLRgdGC0YDQtdGH0LA=?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinh7dvxeELfUdkbD4ow0cbCofONlJgUmuli_Z3x@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100710102854.45ba856b@mail.dark-stream.net>
 <op.vfl98zkgt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>
 <3bd3e2ac-c07e-4004-8fd2-7fc5e4fc3de3@w31g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>
 <AANLkTinh7dvxeELfUdkbD4ow0cbCofONlJgUmuli_Z3x@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.vfmws9xjt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>

? ?? ????? ???, ??? Windows(R)-Users vs Linux-Users?:-)

On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 18:41:04 +0300, Stormbringer <sbatyr at gmail.com> wrote:

> ?? ?????? ??, ?? Code'n'Coffee ????? ? ??????? ??????????.
>
> ? ???? ????? 24?? ? 12?? ???. ??? ??? ????? ????????? ? ??? ????????.
> ???????? Perl
> ? ??????? Python-????? ? JavaScript-???? :)  ????? ?????????? ?????
> ?????????? :)
>
> 10 ???? 2010 ?. 14:19 ???????????? simne <simne007 at gmail.com> ???????:
>
>> ??????, ??? ????? ??? ?????????????? ??????????????? ????????? :D
>>
>> On 10 ???, 10:40, "Vladimir Vasilenko" <jeltoesol... at aol.com> wrote:
>> > ???????? "??????? ????" ?? ?????????? ???????????? ???????,  
>> ?????????????
>> > ?? ??????????? ?????-??????????? Perl, ? ????? ???? ??????? ????  
>> ???????
>> > ???).
>> >
>> > On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:28:54 +0300, ???????? ?????? ??????????
>> >
>> > <s... at dark-stream.net> wrote:
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: Stormbringer [mailto:sba... at gmail.com]
>> > > To: kiev-perl-users-group at googlegroups.com
>> > > Subject: Re: ???????
>> >
>> > >> ??????, ???????, ???? ????... ???????
>> > >> ???????? ?????> ?????? ?????? ? ?????
>> > >> ????? ?? ????? :)> > 10 ???? 2010 ?. 2:04
>> > >> ???????????? ???????? ?????? ??????????
>> > >> <> s... at dark-stream.net> ???????:> > > ???? ????,
>> > >> ????????, ??????, ??????????..... ?????
>> > >> ???? ??????? ????????> >> >> > ? ??. ??????
>> > >> ????????.> >> > > > -- > ? ?????????, ?????
>> > >> ?????> _______________________________________> There are more
>> > >> possybilties to do this ...>
>> >
>> > > ????? ??? 3. (????)
>> >
>> > > ? ??. ?????? ????????.
>>
>
>
>


-- 
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From jeltoesolnce at aol.com  Mon Jul 12 04:14:42 2010
From: jeltoesolnce at aol.com (Vladimir Vasilenko)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 14:14:42 +0300
Subject: =?utf-8?B?0JLRgdGC0YDQtdGH0LA=?=
In-Reply-To: <f55860f5-6aec-4fd9-b588-b686500c0eb3@i28g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>
References: <20100710102854.45ba856b@mail.dark-stream.net>
 <op.vfl98zkgt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>
 <D91C2F3A-0B5D-4D21-8667-29FCA5619969@gmail.com>
 <op.vfm1bq1it0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>
 <f55860f5-6aec-4fd9-b588-b686500c0eb3@i28g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <op.vfp9isqht0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>

????????? ??????? ????????, ??????!)

On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 14:11:57 +0300, ipse <ipse666 at gmail.com> wrote:

> ? ???? ?? ????????????, ?? ?? ??????? ??????????? 8-?? ?? ?????????
> ??????. ????.
>
> On 10 ???, 20:24, "Vladimir Vasilenko" <jeltoesol... at aol.com> wrote:
>> ??? - ????????.
>>
>> ??? ???????? ???? - ?? ?-?? ?? ????????????, ? ??? ? ????? ?  
>> "????-????" - ?? ???? ??? ???? ?????? ?????, ??? ???, ??? ???? ???? ?  
>> ???? ?? ??????).
>>
>> ?.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 19:11:42 +0300, Serg Gulko <s.gu... at gmail.com>  
>> wrote:
>> > ????? ??????? ?? ???????? ??????? ??????? ??????? ???????????, ???? >  
>> ??????? - ??? ?? ??????? ??????????, ??? ??? ? ???? ????:) ??? ??? ? ??  
>> > offline:)
>> > ? ???????? ??????? - ?????????? ???????? ?????????? ???????? ???  
>> ????, > ????? ????????? ?????? ???????? ??(?? ?? uml ?????????), ??  
>> ????? ?????? > ????????, ??? ???????? ??????? ? ?????????? ???? ????  
>> ?????? ? ????????:)
>>
>> > Serg Gulko
>>
>> > +38(050)553-7093
>>
>> > On 10 ???? 2010, at 10:40, "Vladimir Vasilenko"  
>> <jeltoesol... at aol.com> > wrote:
>>
>> >> ???????? "??????? ????" ?? ?????????? ???????????? ???????, ????????
>> >> ????? ?? ??????????? ?????-??????????? Perl, ? ????? ???? ???????  
>> ???? >> ??????? ???).
>>
>> >> On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:28:54 +0300, ???????? ?????? ?????????? >>  
>> <s... at dark-stream.net> wrote:
>>
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: Stormbringer [mailto:sba... at gmail.com]
>> >>> To: kiev-perl-users-group at googlegroups.com
>> >>> Subject: Re: ???????
>>
>> >>>> ??????, ???????, ???? ????... ???????
>> >>>> ???????? ?????> ?????? ?????? ? ?????
>> >>>> ????? ?? ????? :)> > 10 ???? 2010 ?. 2:04
>> >>>> ???????????? ???????? ?????? ??????????
>> >>>> <> s... at dark-stream.net> ???????:> > > ???? ????,
>> >>>> ????????, ??????, ??????????..... ?????
>> >>>> ???? ??????? ????????> >> >> > ? ??. ??????
>> >>>> ????????.> >> > > > -- > ? ?????????, ?????
>> >>>> ?????> _______________________________________> There are more
>> >>>> possybilties to do this ...>
>>
>> >>> ????? ??? 3. (????)
>>
>> >>> ? ??. ?????? ????????.
>>
>> --
>> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client:http://www.opera.com/mail/


-- 
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From ipse666 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 12 04:11:57 2010
From: ipse666 at gmail.com (ipse)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 04:11:57 -0700 (PDT)
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From jeltoesolnce at aol.com  Sat Jul 10 10:24:52 2010
From: jeltoesolnce at aol.com (Vladimir Vasilenko)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 20:24:52 +0300
Subject: =?utf-8?B?0JLRgdGC0YDQtdGH0LA=?=
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 <op.vfl98zkgt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>
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On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 19:11:42 +0300, Serg Gulko <s.gulko at gmail.com> wrote:

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>
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>
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>
> On 10 ???? 2010, at 10:40, "Vladimir Vasilenko" <jeltoesolnce at aol.com>  
> wrote:
>
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>> On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:28:54 +0300, ???????? ?????? ??????????  
>> <sbx at dark-stream.net> wrote:
>>
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From simne007 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 10 09:29:34 2010
From: simne007 at gmail.com (simne)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 09:29:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPfT1NLF3sE=?=
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Message-ID: <64ac3d78-dfb3-40e7-b9ae-6ced325a8966@b35g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>

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On 10 ???, 19:11, Serg Gulko <s.gu... at gmail.com> wrote:
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>
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From s.gulko at gmail.com  Sat Jul 10 09:11:42 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (Serg Gulko)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 19:11:42 +0300
Subject: =?koi8-r?Q?Re:_=F7=D3=D4=D2=C5=DE=C1?=
In-Reply-To: <op.vfl98zkgt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>
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On 10 ???? 2010, at 10:40, "Vladimir Vasilenko" <jeltoesolnce at aol.com>  
wrote:

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> ????? ?? ??????????? ?????-??????????? Perl, ? ????? ???? ??????? ?? 
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>
> On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:28:54 +0300, ???????? ?????? ?????????? <sbx at dark-stream.net 
> > wrote:
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Stormbringer [mailto:sbatyr at gmail.com]
>> To: kiev-perl-users-group at googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: ???????
>>
>>
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From sbatyr at gmail.com  Sat Jul 10 08:41:04 2010
From: sbatyr at gmail.com (Stormbringer)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 18:41:04 +0300
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPfT1NLF3sE=?=
In-Reply-To: <3bd3e2ac-c07e-4004-8fd2-7fc5e4fc3de3@w31g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>
References: <20100710102854.45ba856b@mail.dark-stream.net>
	<op.vfl98zkgt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>
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10 ???? 2010 ?. 14:19 ???????????? simne <simne007 at gmail.com> ???????:

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>
> On 10 ???, 10:40, "Vladimir Vasilenko" <jeltoesol... at aol.com> wrote:
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> > <s... at dark-stream.net> wrote:
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> > > To: kiev-perl-users-group at googlegroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: ???????
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From simne007 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 10 04:19:12 2010
From: simne007 at gmail.com (simne)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 04:19:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPfT1NLF3sE=?=
In-Reply-To: <op.vfl98zkgt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>
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On 10 ???, 10:40, "Vladimir Vasilenko" <jeltoesol... at aol.com> wrote:
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>
> On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:28:54 +0300, ???????? ?????? ??????????
>
> <s... at dark-stream.net> wrote:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Stormbringer [mailto:sba... at gmail.com]
> > To: kiev-perl-users-group at googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: ???????
>
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From jeltoesolnce at aol.com  Sat Jul 10 00:43:09 2010
From: jeltoesolnce at aol.com (Vladimir Vasilenko)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:43:09 +0300
Subject: =?utf-8?B?0JLRgdGC0YDQtdGH0LA=?=
In-Reply-To: <20100710104221.f806024d@mail.dark-stream.net>
References: <20100710104221.f806024d@mail.dark-stream.net>
Message-ID: <op.vfmad7ast0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>

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On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:42:21 +0300, ???????? ?????? ??????????  
<sbx at dark-stream.net> wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Vladimir Vasilenko [mailto:jeltoesolnce at aol.com]
> To: kiev-perl-users-group at googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: ???????
>
>
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>>
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>> ??????????
>> <sbx at dark-stream.net> wrote:
>>
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: Stormbringer [mailto:sbatyr at gmail.com]
>> > To: kiev-perl-users-group at googlegroups.com
>> > Subject: Re: ???????
>> >
>> >
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----- Original Message -----
From: Vladimir Vasilenko [mailto:jeltoesolnce at aol.com]
To: kiev-perl-users-group at googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: ???????


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> <sbx at dark-stream.net> wrote:
> 
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> > From: Stormbringer [mailto:sbatyr at gmail.com]
> > To: kiev-perl-users-group at googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: ???????
> >
> >
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> >> ?????> _______________________________________> There are more
> >> possybilties to do this ...>
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From jeltoesolnce at aol.com  Sat Jul 10 00:40:05 2010
From: jeltoesolnce at aol.com (Vladimir Vasilenko)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:40:05 +0300
Subject: =?utf-8?B?0JLRgdGC0YDQtdGH0LA=?=
In-Reply-To: <20100710102854.45ba856b@mail.dark-stream.net>
References: <20100710102854.45ba856b@mail.dark-stream.net>
Message-ID: <op.vfl98zkgt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>


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?? ??????????? ?????-??????????? Perl, ? ????? ???? ??????? ???? ???????  
???).

On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:28:54 +0300, ???????? ?????? ??????????  
<sbx at dark-stream.net> wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Stormbringer [mailto:sbatyr at gmail.com]
> To: kiev-perl-users-group at googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: ???????
>
>
>> ??????, ???????, ???? ????... ???????
>> ???????? ?????> ?????? ?????? ? ?????
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>> ????????.> >> > > > -- > ? ?????????, ?????
>> ?????> _______________________________________> There are more
>> possybilties to do this ...>
>
> ????? ??? 3. (????)
>
> ? ??. ?????? ????????.




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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:28:54 +0300
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Message-ID: <20100710102854.45ba856b@mail.dark-stream.net>


----- Original Message -----
From: Stormbringer [mailto:sbatyr at gmail.com]
To: kiev-perl-users-group at googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: ???????


> ??????, ???????, ???? ????... ???????
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> ????? ?? ????? :)> > 10 ???? 2010 ?. 2:04
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> ????????, ??????, ??????????..... ?????
> ???? ??????? ????????> >> >> > ? ??. ??????
> ????????.> >> > > > -- > ? ?????????, ?????
> ?????> _______________________________________> There are more
> possybilties to do this ...> 

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From denis.zhdanov at gmail.com  Fri Jul  9 23:57:33 2010
From: denis.zhdanov at gmail.com (Denis Zhdanov)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 09:57:33 +0300
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPfT1NLF3sE=?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikT76zGoCcoOZ-2fcTABU2Ib8QsYpsGQr_hdo2A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100710020405.222a1da7@mail.dark-stream.net>
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Message-ID: <AANLkTimaG7zOO7hfZnKUfusdDbtcCSCVc5kMvmNMABu2@mail.gmail.com>

10 ???? 2010 ?. 9:24 ???????????? Stormbringer <sbatyr at gmail.com> ???????:
> ??????, ???????, ???? ????... ??????? ???????? ?????
> ?????? ?????? ? ????? ????? ?? ????? :)
???, ?? ?????????? ???????. :)

From sbatyr at gmail.com  Fri Jul  9 23:24:25 2010
From: sbatyr at gmail.com (Stormbringer)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 09:24:25 +0300
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPfT1NLF3sE=?=
In-Reply-To: <20100710020405.222a1da7@mail.dark-stream.net>
References: <20100710020405.222a1da7@mail.dark-stream.net>
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??????, ???????, ???? ????... ??????? ???????? ?????
?????? ?????? ? ????? ????? ?? ????? :)

10 ???? 2010 ?. 2:04 ???????????? ???????? ?????? ?????????? <
sbx at dark-stream.net> ???????:

> ???? ????, ????????, ??????, ??????????..... ????? ???? ??????? ????????
>
>
> ? ??. ?????? ????????.
>



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???? ????, ????????, ??????, ??????????..... ????? ???? ??????? ????????


? ??. ?????? ????????.


From s.gulko at gmail.com  Sun Jul 11 01:22:39 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (s.gulko at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 01:22:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IOLBxyDTwcrUwSDrycXX8O0=?=
In-Reply-To: <8E48CB5A-02E3-4AFB-814F-97CC6456D02C@gmail.com>
References: <20100710104108.6879ce81@mail.dark-stream.net> 
	<8E48CB5A-02E3-4AFB-814F-97CC6456D02C@gmail.com>
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????????

On 10 ???, 19:03, Serg Gulko <s.gu... at gmail.com> wrote:
> ??????? ???????? ???????
>
> Serg Gulko
>
> +38(050)553-7093
>
> On 10 ???? 2010, at 10:41, ???????? ?????? ?????????? <s... at dark-stream.net
>
>
>
> ?> wrote:
> > ?????????? ?? ???? ??????????. ??????? ????? ???? ??? ????????????, ?
> > ??????? ?????? ???????????? ????? ???? ?? ???????. ?????? ???????)))
>
> > ? ??. ?????? ????????.

From s.gulko at gmail.com  Sat Jul 10 09:03:47 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (Serg Gulko)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 19:03:47 +0300
Subject: =?koi8-r?Q?Re:_=E2=C1=C7_=D3=C1=CA=D4=C1_=EB=C9=C5=D7=F0=ED?=
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References: <20100710104108.6879ce81@mail.dark-stream.net>
Message-ID: <8E48CB5A-02E3-4AFB-814F-97CC6456D02C@gmail.com>

??????? ???????? ???????

Serg Gulko

+38(050)553-7093

On 10 ???? 2010, at 10:41, ???????? ?????? ?????????? <sbx at dark-stream.net 
 > wrote:

> ?????????? ?? ???? ??????????. ??????? ????? ???? ??? ????????????,  
> ??????? ?????? ???????????? ????? ???? ?? ???????. ?????? ???????)))
>
>
> ? ??. ?????? ????????.

From =?utf-8?Q?=D0=9A=D0=BB=D0=B8=D0=BC=D0=B5=D0=BD=D0=BA=D0=BE_=D0=A1?=  Sat Jul 10 00:41:08 2010
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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:41:08 +0300
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?????????? ?? ???? ??????????. ??????? ????? ???? ??? ????????????, ??????? ?????? ???????????? ????? ???? ?? ???????. ?????? ???????)))


? ??. ?????? ????????.


From simne007 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 08:18:43 2010
From: simne007 at gmail.com (simne)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 08:18:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPPP09TP0c7JxSBQZXJsNi9QYXJyb3Q=?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik2I2PWVXxKmdg92GVzXt_ZU24KynoIlvsFbAIG@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8252ff12-adfc-4ef6-9455-c1a801ed5ce7@k39g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> 
	<5def947f-231a-48a3-b602-660a0978d4a6@g35g2000yqa.googlegroups.com> 
	<AANLkTik2I2PWVXxKmdg92GVzXt_ZU24KynoIlvsFbAIG@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0954ff4c-43d6-480a-9d5f-708a81673f85@u26g2000yqu.googlegroups.com>

On 19 ???, 17:46, ???????? ?????????? <agnis... at gmail.com> wrote:
> ??????, ?????? ??? ?????????? ???? ???????? ?????????? ? ???? ;)

??????????? ;)

> 19 ???? 2010 ?. 17:42 ???????????? simne <simne... at gmail.com> ???????:
>
> > PS ?????? ?????: ??????? XML/SOAP/JSON/etc..
>
> > On 19 ???, 17:41, simne <simne... at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> ??, ???????????, ?????? ?????? - ????? ???? ?????????? ? ??????????
> >> ??? ?????? Perl 6 ?? ???.
> >> ??? DBI, DBIx (? ????????); ??? ?????? ???????? html; ??? ??????
> >> ????????/????????? ????.

From agnislav at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 07:46:27 2010
From: agnislav at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JDQs9C90LjRgdC70LDQsiDQntC90YPRhNGA0LjQudGH0YPQug==?=)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 17:46:27 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6INCh0L7RgdGC0L7Rj9C90LjQtSBQZXJsNi9QYXJyb3Q=?=
In-Reply-To: <5def947f-231a-48a3-b602-660a0978d4a6@g35g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>
References: <8252ff12-adfc-4ef6-9455-c1a801ed5ce7@k39g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> 
	<5def947f-231a-48a3-b602-660a0978d4a6@g35g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik2I2PWVXxKmdg92GVzXt_ZU24KynoIlvsFbAIG@mail.gmail.com>

??????, ?????? ??? ?????????? ???? ???????? ?????????? ? ???? ;)

19 ???? 2010 ?. 17:42 ???????????? simne <simne007 at gmail.com> ???????:
> PS ?????? ?????: ??????? XML/SOAP/JSON/etc..
>
> On 19 ???, 17:41, simne <simne... at gmail.com> wrote:
>> ??, ???????????, ?????? ?????? - ????? ???? ?????????? ? ??????????
>> ??? ?????? Perl 6 ?? ???.
>> ??? DBI, DBIx (? ????????); ??? ?????? ???????? html; ??? ??????
>> ????????/????????? ????.

From simne007 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 07:42:25 2010
From: simne007 at gmail.com (simne)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 07:42:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPPP09TP0c7JxSBQZXJsNi9QYXJyb3Q=?=
In-Reply-To: <8252ff12-adfc-4ef6-9455-c1a801ed5ce7@k39g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>
References: 8252ff12-adfc-4ef6-9455-c1a801ed5ce7@k39g2000yqb.googlegroups.com
Message-ID: <5def947f-231a-48a3-b602-660a0978d4a6@g35g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>

PS ?????? ?????: ??????? XML/SOAP/JSON/etc..

On 19 ???, 17:41, simne <simne... at gmail.com> wrote:
> ??, ???????????, ?????? ?????? - ????? ???? ?????????? ? ??????????
> ??? ?????? Perl 6 ?? ???.
> ??? DBI, DBIx (? ????????); ??? ?????? ???????? html; ??? ??????
> ????????/????????? ????.

From simne007 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 07:41:07 2010
From: simne007 at gmail.com (simne)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 07:41:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPPP09TP0c7JxSBQZXJsNi9QYXJyb3Q=?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimxbikF6Spn8BDIt_Iuo5un8iDzR0d3QjBLXicn@mail.gmail.com>
References: <97fddf33-c40a-4630-8d17-1c05baceeab2@y4g2000yqy.googlegroups.com> 
	<AANLkTimxbikF6Spn8BDIt_Iuo5un8iDzR0d3QjBLXicn@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8252ff12-adfc-4ef6-9455-c1a801ed5ce7@k39g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>

??, ???????????, ?????? ?????? - ????? ???? ?????????? ? ??????????
??? ?????? Perl 6 ?? ???.
??? DBI, DBIx (? ????????); ??? ?????? ???????? html; ??? ??????
????????/????????? ????.

From simne007 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 07:38:07 2010
From: simne007 at gmail.com (simne)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 07:38:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPPP09TP0c7JxSBQZXJsNi9QYXJyb3Q=?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimxbikF6Spn8BDIt_Iuo5un8iDzR0d3QjBLXicn@mail.gmail.com>
References: <97fddf33-c40a-4630-8d17-1c05baceeab2@y4g2000yqy.googlegroups.com> 
	<AANLkTimxbikF6Spn8BDIt_Iuo5un8iDzR0d3QjBLXicn@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <33313845-be1f-4fa3-b726-09c91112ef59@x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>



On 19 ???, 02:43, Alex Varyanick <q... at cono.org.ua> wrote:
> 2010/7/18 simne <simne... at gmail.com>:
>
> > ???????????!
>
> > ?? ??????? ??????????? ??????? ?????? ??????: ? ? ????? ??????
> > ????????? Perl 6 ? ??? ????? ??? ????????, ????? ??? ????? ????
> > ??????? ??????????
>
> ? ?? ?????????? :)
> git clone git://github.com/rakudo/rakudo.git

??????? ?? ????? ???????????????? ?????.
?????? ??? ????? ?? ?????? ???, ? ??? ???????? ???????? ?? perl6,
??????? ? ??????? ???? ??????? ?? ??????? kiev.pm 18.07.2010.
? ????????????? ???-?? ? ??? ?????????? ? Rakudo/Parrot, ? ? ??????,
??? ?????-?? ????? ????????, ?? ??????? ? ??????????? ?????, ???? ???-
?? ????????? ????????? ??????.

??? ????? ??????????, ?????????? ??????????? ??????? ???????, ?? ????
????? CGI, FastCGI, mod_parrot.
???? ?????-?? ?? ????????????? ?????????? ???????????, ????????-??
?????, ????????? ????? ? ????????? ??????? ??? ?????? ??????????.
???????????, ??? ???? ???? ? FastCGI ? mod_parrot, ??????????????
????????, ???? ?? ???????? ? ???????? ?????? ???.

From q at cono.org.ua  Sun Jul 18 16:43:54 2010
From: q at cono.org.ua (Alex Varyanick)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 02:43:54 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6INCh0L7RgdGC0L7Rj9C90LjQtSBQZXJsNi9QYXJyb3Q=?=
In-Reply-To: <97fddf33-c40a-4630-8d17-1c05baceeab2@y4g2000yqy.googlegroups.com>
References: <97fddf33-c40a-4630-8d17-1c05baceeab2@y4g2000yqy.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimxbikF6Spn8BDIt_Iuo5un8iDzR0d3QjBLXicn@mail.gmail.com>

2010/7/18 simne <simne007 at gmail.com>:
> ???????????!
>
> ?? ??????? ??????????? ??????? ?????? ??????: ? ? ????? ??????
> ????????? Perl 6 ? ??? ????? ??? ????????, ????? ??? ????? ????
> ??????? ??????????

? ?? ?????????? :)
git clone git://github.com/rakudo/rakudo.git

> ??? ????????? ???????? ????/????? ? Perl6/Parrot ??? ?????????
> ?????????

? ?????.

> ?????????, ????? ?? ??????? ???????? ???? ? ?????? ????????? ?? Perl6/
> Parrot ??? ??????????, ??????? ???????? ???????? ?????? ????? STDIN ?
> ???????? ????? STDOUT?

?????? ????? ??? ?? ???????? ???????????????.. ?? ???? ?????
??????????? ? ??? ????? ?????? ???? ??????????.

-- 
Varyanick I. Alex
icq: 102 575 440
skype: cono..
q at cono.org.ua

From simne007 at gmail.com  Sun Jul 18 13:27:35 2010
From: simne007 at gmail.com (simne)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 13:27:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?88/T1M/RzsnFIFBlcmw2L1BhcnJvdA==?=
Message-ID: <97fddf33-c40a-4630-8d17-1c05baceeab2@y4g2000yqy.googlegroups.com>

???????????!

?? ??????? ??????????? ??????? ?????? ??????: ? ? ????? ??????
????????? Perl 6 ? ??? ????? ??? ????????, ????? ??? ????? ????
??????? ??????????

??? ????????? ???????? ????/????? ? Perl6/Parrot ??? ?????????
?????????
?????????, ????? ?? ??????? ???????? ???? ? ?????? ????????? ?? Perl6/
Parrot ??? ??????????, ??????? ???????? ???????? ?????? ????? STDIN ?
???????? ????? STDOUT?

From agnislav at gmail.com  Tue Jul 20 15:41:29 2010
From: agnislav at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JDQs9C90LjRgdC70LDQsiDQntC90YPRhNGA0LjQudGH0YPQug==?=)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 01:41:29 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6INCa0YDQsNGC0LrQuNC1INC40YLQvtCz0Lgg0LLRgdGC0YDQtdGH0LggMTguMDYuMg==?=
	=?UTF-8?B?MDEw?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilpzIRXkt8rMy7Da4rOlGHjH5ZdzGwrqL9AtLoq@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b6715eca-a12e-4338-903e-b9b08798ba00@5g2000yqz.googlegroups.com> 
	<7ee8549e-02db-4820-8e17-69984e8ea1fa@i28g2000yqa.googlegroups.com> 
	<1279542908.2110.19.camel@localhost> <op.vf3heauot0v7kw@gray.homenetwork> 
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	<AANLkTilpzIRXkt8rMy7Da4rOlGHjH5ZdzGwrqL9AtLoq@mail.gmail.com>
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?????? ????????????? ????:
http://blogs.perl.org/users/olaf_alders/2010/07/icpan-cpan-on-your-iphone.html

20 ???? 2010 ?. 15:42 ???????????? vti <viacheslav.t at gmail.com> ???????:
> 20 ???? 2010 ?. 15:39 ???????????? Michael Bochkaryov
> <misha at rattler.kiev.ua> ???????:
>> 2010/7/19 simne <simne007 at gmail.com>
>>>
>>> ? ? ????? ?????? ????? ? ???????? ????? ?????? ????????? MacOsX, ?
>>> ????? iPhoneOs ;)
>>
>> ? ????? ?????? PR, ???? ?????? ?????????? ????? ?? ?????????? ??????
>> ?? ?????????? Windows ? Android.
>
> ??? Perl ?? Android ????? ?? YAPC::Europe 2010 ? ????:
>
> http://conferences.yapceurope.org/ye2010/talk/2817
>

From viacheslav.t at gmail.com  Tue Jul 20 05:42:58 2010
From: viacheslav.t at gmail.com (vti)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:42:58 +0300
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IOvSwdTLycUgydTPx8kg19PU0sXeySAxOC4wNi4y?=
	=?KOI8-R?B?MDEw?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilwQmLVSP6BH-D3yXxh71NF3GjTj-f6es83oURi@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b6715eca-a12e-4338-903e-b9b08798ba00@5g2000yqz.googlegroups.com>
	<7ee8549e-02db-4820-8e17-69984e8ea1fa@i28g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>
	<1279542908.2110.19.camel@localhost>
	<op.vf3heauot0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>
	<AANLkTinYtLlWoaI2WmP_y6R97s4OLiIr5LotXjMnipZf@mail.gmail.com>
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	<AANLkTilwQmLVSP6BH-D3yXxh71NF3GjTj-f6es83oURi@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTilpzIRXkt8rMy7Da4rOlGHjH5ZdzGwrqL9AtLoq@mail.gmail.com>

20 ???? 2010 ?. 15:39 ???????????? Michael Bochkaryov
<misha at rattler.kiev.ua> ???????:
> 2010/7/19 simne <simne007 at gmail.com>
>>
>> ? ? ????? ?????? ????? ? ???????? ????? ?????? ????????? MacOsX, ?
>> ????? iPhoneOs ;)
>
> ? ????? ?????? PR, ???? ?????? ?????????? ????? ?? ?????????? ??????
> ?? ?????????? Windows ? Android.

??? Perl ?? Android ????? ?? YAPC::Europe 2010 ? ????:

http://conferences.yapceurope.org/ye2010/talk/2817

From misha at rattler.kiev.ua  Tue Jul 20 05:39:44 2010
From: misha at rattler.kiev.ua (Michael Bochkaryov)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:39:44 +0300
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IOvSwdTLycUgydTPx8kg19PU0sXeySAxOC4wNi4y?=
	=?KOI8-R?B?MDEw?=
In-Reply-To: <fc8ab00a-6891-477e-8e49-4991764369ba@i31g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>
References: <b6715eca-a12e-4338-903e-b9b08798ba00@5g2000yqz.googlegroups.com>
	<7ee8549e-02db-4820-8e17-69984e8ea1fa@i28g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>
	<1279542908.2110.19.camel@localhost>
	<op.vf3heauot0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>
	<AANLkTinYtLlWoaI2WmP_y6R97s4OLiIr5LotXjMnipZf@mail.gmail.com>
	<fc8ab00a-6891-477e-8e49-4991764369ba@i31g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTilwQmLVSP6BH-D3yXxh71NF3GjTj-f6es83oURi@mail.gmail.com>

2010/7/19 simne <simne007 at gmail.com>

>
> > ??? ??? ?????????????, ??????????? ? ??????????? ????? ? ?? ???????
> > ???, ?? ??????? ????? ???????????? ?????? ?????????? ? ????????.
>
> ?????????? ??????????? ? ?????????? ????? ??????? ? ??? ???????? -
> ???????? AltLinux,
>

??, ????????? - ? ??????, ???? ???.


> ??????? ????-?? ??????? ???????? ??????? ? ????????? Ubuntu, Fedora.
>

????? ??? Debian ??????? ?? ??????????? ???? ???????? ? ???????????.
?????? ??? ?? ?????????? ???????, ?????? ?????.


> ? ? ????? ?????? ????? ? ???????? ????? ?????? ????????? MacOsX, ?
> ????? iPhoneOs ;)


? ????? ?????? PR, ???? ?????? ?????????? ????? ?? ?????????? ??????
?? ?????????? Windows ? Android.

-- 
Regards,
Michael Bochkaryov
Net.Style - VoIP and VAS development
www.netstyle.com.ua
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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 14:14:54 +0300
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????? ??????????????? ?? ???? ? ???? ?? ?????(? ??? ?????? ??????), ?? ?
???? ???? ????, ??????? ????? ????? ?? ?????????????....? ???? ???
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From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
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????? ??? ????????
- ? ? 1999 ????? ????????? ???????????? ??? PalmOs, ? ??? ??-????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ? ???????? - ??????? ??? ??????? ??????? ????? ???? ????? ?? ???? ??????? ??????? ? ???????? ??? "?? ????"..
?? ??-??????????? ????????? ?????????? ???????? ????????? ? ????????????? ??? ???? ??????? ???????? ??????; ????? ?????????????? ??????; ?????????? ???????????????? ?????? ? ??????; ? ?????? ?? ????? ??????/?????? ?????????? ????????? ?????????? ??? ???????? ????????, ?? ? ???????? ?? ?????????? ?????????.
??????, ????? ?????? ?? Catalyst+ttk+form::builder.

? ???????? ??????? ????? ???????? ????????? ????? ??? ??????? ?? ???????, ?? ?????? ??? ???? ?? ???????????, ?? ????? ??? ???? ????????? OpenGL, ? ????? ???? ????????? Flash, ??????? ???? ????? ????????? ????????? ?????????.

20.07.10, 00:54, "???????? ??????????" <agnislav at gmail.com>:

> ? ????? ???? ????? ?? ?????????????. ????? ?? ??????? ??????? ?????????
>  
>  19 ???? 2010 ?. 23:40 ???????????? Sergeev Serge  ???????:
>  > ??? ????? 90% ????????? ??????????, ????? ?????????? ??????? Perl/Tk ??? Mason/TTK ;)
>  >
>  > 19.07.10, 22:46, "???????? ??????????" :
>  >
>  >> ??, ????? ???????????? ?? ??????????, ?? ?????? ????? ???? ??????
>  >>  ??????? Perl/Tk ??? ?????????? ?????????. ))
>  >>
>  >>  19 ???? 2010 ?. 21:29 ???????????? simne  ???????:
>  >>  >
>  >>  >
>  >>  > On 19 ???, 21:17, "Vladimir Vasilenko"  wrote:
>  >>  >> > ?????????? ??????????? ? ?????????? ????? ??????? ? ??? ???????? -
>  >>  >> > ???????? AltLinux, ??????? ????-?? ??????? ???????? ??????? ?
>  >>  >> > ????????? Ubuntu, Fedora.
>  >>  >> > ? ? ????? ?????? ????? ? ???????? ????? ?????? ????????? MacOsX, ?
>  >>  >> > ????? iPhoneOs ;)
>  >>  >>
>  >>  >> ??-??-??, Perl ? ?????? ????????!).
>  >>  >
>  >>  > ????? ???????, ? ??????? ?? ????????? ??? ?????? palmperl - ?? ????
>  >>  > Perl ??? ???????????? Palm, ?? ? ????????? ?????.
>  >>  > ???, ? Parrot ???????? ??? ????? ???????? ????? ????? ? ??????????/
>  >>  > ?????????, ??? ?????? ?? ? ?? ;)
>  >>  >
>  >>  > ? ????????? ?????, ??? ????? ?????? ???????? Erlang ???????
>  >>  > ???????????? ? embedded - ??????? ????? ??????????? ??? ?? Erlang
>  >>  > ????? ????????? ??? SetTopBox (??????, ??????? ????? ??????); ? Java ?
>  >>  > ?????? ??? ???, ?? ? ??? Perl ?????
>  >>
>  >>
>  >
>  
>  


From agnislav at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 13:54:42 2010
From: agnislav at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JDQs9C90LjRgdC70LDQsiDQntC90YPRhNGA0LjQudGH0YPQug==?=)
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? ????? ???? ????? ?? ?????????????. ????? ?? ??????? ??????? ?????????

19 ???? 2010 ?. 23:40 ???????????? Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru> ???????:
> ??? ????? 90% ????????? ??????????, ????? ?????????? ??????? Perl/Tk ??? Mason/TTK ;)
>
> 19.07.10, 22:46, "???????? ??????????" <agnislav at gmail.com>:
>
>> ??, ????? ???????????? ?? ??????????, ?? ?????? ????? ???? ??????
>> ???????? Perl/Tk ??? ?????????? ?????????. ))
>>
>> ?19 ???? 2010 ?. 21:29 ???????????? simne ????????:
>> ?>
>> ?>
>> ?> On 19 ???, 21:17, "Vladimir Vasilenko" ?wrote:
>> ?>> > ?????????? ??????????? ? ?????????? ????? ??????? ? ??? ???????? -
>> ?>> > ???????? AltLinux, ??????? ????-?? ??????? ???????? ??????? ?
>> ?>> > ????????? Ubuntu, Fedora.
>> ?>> > ? ? ????? ?????? ????? ? ???????? ????? ?????? ????????? MacOsX, ?
>> ?>> > ????? iPhoneOs ;)
>> ?>>
>> ?>> ??-??-??, Perl ? ?????? ????????!).
>> ?>
>> ?> ????? ???????, ? ??????? ?? ????????? ??? ?????? palmperl - ?? ????
>> ?> Perl ??? ???????????? Palm, ?? ? ????????? ?????.
>> ?> ???, ? Parrot ???????? ??? ????? ???????? ????? ????? ? ??????????/
>> ?> ?????????, ??? ?????? ?? ? ?? ;)
>> ?>
>> ?> ? ????????? ?????, ??? ????? ?????? ???????? Erlang ???????
>> ?> ???????????? ? embedded - ??????? ????? ??????????? ??? ?? Erlang
>> ?> ????? ????????? ??? SetTopBox (??????, ??????? ????? ??????); ? Java ?
>> ?> ?????? ??? ???, ?? ? ??? Perl ?????
>>
>>
>

From simne at yandex.ru  Mon Jul 19 13:40:38 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 00:40:38 +0400
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??? ????? 90% ????????? ??????????, ????? ?????????? ??????? Perl/Tk ??? Mason/TTK ;)

19.07.10, 22:46, "???????? ??????????" <agnislav at gmail.com>:

> ??, ????? ???????????? ?? ??????????, ?? ?????? ????? ???? ??????
>  ??????? Perl/Tk ??? ?????????? ?????????. ))
>  
>  19 ???? 2010 ?. 21:29 ???????????? simne  ???????:
>  >
>  >
>  > On 19 ???, 21:17, "Vladimir Vasilenko"  wrote:
>  >> > ?????????? ??????????? ? ?????????? ????? ??????? ? ??? ???????? -
>  >> > ???????? AltLinux, ??????? ????-?? ??????? ???????? ??????? ?
>  >> > ????????? Ubuntu, Fedora.
>  >> > ? ? ????? ?????? ????? ? ???????? ????? ?????? ????????? MacOsX, ?
>  >> > ????? iPhoneOs ;)
>  >>
>  >> ??-??-??, Perl ? ?????? ????????!).
>  >
>  > ????? ???????, ? ??????? ?? ????????? ??? ?????? palmperl - ?? ????
>  > Perl ??? ???????????? Palm, ?? ? ????????? ?????.
>  > ???, ? Parrot ???????? ??? ????? ???????? ????? ????? ? ??????????/
>  > ?????????, ??? ?????? ?? ? ?? ;)
>  >
>  > ? ????????? ?????, ??? ????? ?????? ???????? Erlang ???????
>  > ???????????? ? embedded - ??????? ????? ??????????? ??? ?? Erlang
>  > ????? ????????? ??? SetTopBox (??????, ??????? ????? ??????); ? Java ?
>  > ?????? ??? ???, ?? ? ??? Perl ?????
>  
>  


From agnislav at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 11:46:47 2010
From: agnislav at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JDQs9C90LjRgdC70LDQsiDQntC90YPRhNGA0LjQudGH0YPQug==?=)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 21:46:47 +0300
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??, ????? ???????????? ?? ??????????, ?? ?????? ????? ???? ??????
??????? Perl/Tk ??? ?????????? ?????????. ))

19 ???? 2010 ?. 21:29 ???????????? simne <simne007 at gmail.com> ???????:
>
>
> On 19 ???, 21:17, "Vladimir Vasilenko" <jeltoesol... at aol.com> wrote:
>> > ?????????? ??????????? ? ?????????? ????? ??????? ? ??? ???????? -
>> > ???????? AltLinux, ??????? ????-?? ??????? ???????? ??????? ?
>> > ????????? Ubuntu, Fedora.
>> > ? ? ????? ?????? ????? ? ???????? ????? ?????? ????????? MacOsX, ?
>> > ????? iPhoneOs ;)
>>
>> ??-??-??, Perl ? ?????? ????????!).
>
> ????? ???????, ? ??????? ?? ????????? ??? ?????? palmperl - ?? ????
> Perl ??? ???????????? Palm, ?? ? ????????? ?????.
> ???, ? Parrot ???????? ??? ????? ???????? ????? ????? ? ??????????/
> ?????????, ??? ?????? ?? ? ?? ;)
>
> ? ????????? ?????, ??? ????? ?????? ???????? Erlang ???????
> ???????????? ? embedded - ??????? ????? ??????????? ??? ?? Erlang
> ????? ????????? ??? SetTopBox (??????, ??????? ????? ??????); ? Java ?
> ?????? ??? ???, ?? ? ??? Perl ?????

From simne007 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 11:29:59 2010
From: simne007 at gmail.com (simne)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 11:29:59 -0700 (PDT)
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On 19 ???, 21:17, "Vladimir Vasilenko" <jeltoesol... at aol.com> wrote:
> > ?????????? ??????????? ? ?????????? ????? ??????? ? ??? ???????? -
> > ???????? AltLinux, ??????? ????-?? ??????? ???????? ??????? ?
> > ????????? Ubuntu, Fedora.
> > ? ? ????? ?????? ????? ? ???????? ????? ?????? ????????? MacOsX, ?
> > ????? iPhoneOs ;)
>
> ??-??-??, Perl ? ?????? ????????!).

????? ???????, ? ??????? ?? ????????? ??? ?????? palmperl - ?? ????
Perl ??? ???????????? Palm, ?? ? ????????? ?????.
???, ? Parrot ???????? ??? ????? ???????? ????? ????? ? ??????????/
?????????, ??? ?????? ?? ? ?? ;)

? ????????? ?????, ??? ????? ?????? ???????? Erlang ???????
???????????? ? embedded - ??????? ????? ??????????? ??? ?? Erlang
????? ????????? ??? SetTopBox (??????, ??????? ????? ??????); ? Java ?
?????? ??? ???, ?? ? ??? Perl ?????

From jeltoesolnce at aol.com  Mon Jul 19 11:17:38 2010
From: jeltoesolnce at aol.com (Vladimir Vasilenko)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 21:17:38 +0300
Subject: =?utf-8?B?0JrRgNCw0YLQutC40LUg0LjRgtC+0LPQuCDQstGB0YLRgNC10YfQuCAxOC4=?=
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> ?????????? ??????????? ? ?????????? ????? ??????? ? ??? ???????? -
> ???????? AltLinux, ??????? ????-?? ??????? ???????? ??????? ?
> ????????? Ubuntu, Fedora.
> ? ? ????? ?????? ????? ? ???????? ????? ?????? ????????? MacOsX, ?
> ????? iPhoneOs ;)

??-??-??, Perl ? ?????? ????????!).


?.

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From simne007 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 08:27:55 2010
From: simne007 at gmail.com (simne)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 08:27:55 -0700 (PDT)
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	<1279542908.2110.19.camel@localhost> <op.vf3heauot0v7kw@gray.homenetwork> 
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On 19 ???, 17:45, ???????? ?????????? <agnis... at gmail.com> wrote:
> ? ????? ?? ??????? ????????????. ? ???????? ?? ????????, ???, ??? ????
> ???? ???????????? FreeBSD ????????:
> - ??????? ??????? ?????? ?????????????? ? ????? shared-????????
> (Linux:FreeBSD = 9:1 ? ??? ????????????).
> - ????? ??????? ? ????? ?????????? ??????? ????????????????? OpenVZ
> ???????????? ?????? ??????? ? ???????? ???????? ??????.

??? ???????? ??????? ???????? XEN.
?? ?????? ??????? ????????. ?????????????????? ???????? ???????
??????, ? ??????? ??? ??????????? ??? ????????.

> ??? ??? ?????????????, ??????????? ? ??????????? ????? ? ?? ???????
> ???, ?? ??????? ????? ???????????? ?????? ?????????? ? ????????.

?????????? ??????????? ? ?????????? ????? ??????? ? ??? ???????? -
???????? AltLinux, ??????? ????-?? ??????? ???????? ??????? ?
????????? Ubuntu, Fedora.
? ? ????? ?????? ????? ? ???????? ????? ?????? ????????? MacOsX, ?
????? iPhoneOs ;)

From dshadowukraine at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 07:55:57 2010
From: dshadowukraine at gmail.com (Konstantin Cherednichenko)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 17:55:57 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6INCa0YDQsNGC0LrQuNC1INC40YLQvtCz0Lgg0LLRgdGC0YDQtdGH0LggMTguMDYuMg==?=
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	<1279542908.2110.19.camel@localhost>
	<op.vf3heauot0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>
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?? ? ??????? ??????????... ? ???? VDS ?? ???? jail... :-)

2010/7/19 ???????? ?????????? <agnislav at gmail.com>

> ? ????? ?? ??????? ????????????. ? ???????? ?? ????????, ???, ??? ????
> ???? ???????????? FreeBSD ????????:
> - ??????? ??????? ?????? ?????????????? ? ????? shared-????????
> (Linux:FreeBSD = 9:1 ? ??? ????????????).
> - ????? ??????? ? ????? ?????????? ??????? ????????????????? OpenVZ
> ???????????? ?????? ??????? ? ???????? ???????? ??????.
>
> ??? ??? ?????????????, ??????????? ? ??????????? ????? ? ?? ???????
> ???, ?? ??????? ????? ???????????? ?????? ?????????? ? ????????.
>
> 19 ???? 2010 ?. 17:33 ???????????? Vladimir Vasilenko
> <jeltoesolnce at aol.com> ???????:
> > ? ???? VDS ????.
> > FreeBSD.
> >
> > ?.
> >
> > On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 15:35:08 +0300, Serg V. Gulko <s.gulko at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> ??????? ??? ?? ????????? ? ?????? read-only
> >>
> >> http://kiev.pm.org/?q=node/427/
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
>



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From agnislav at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 07:45:16 2010
From: agnislav at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JDQs9C90LjRgdC70LDQsiDQntC90YPRhNGA0LjQudGH0YPQug==?=)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 17:45:16 +0300
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	<1279542908.2110.19.camel@localhost> <op.vf3heauot0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>
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? ????? ?? ??????? ????????????. ? ???????? ?? ????????, ???, ??? ????
???? ???????????? FreeBSD ????????:
- ??????? ??????? ?????? ?????????????? ? ????? shared-????????
(Linux:FreeBSD = 9:1 ? ??? ????????????).
- ????? ??????? ? ????? ?????????? ??????? ????????????????? OpenVZ
???????????? ?????? ??????? ? ???????? ???????? ??????.

??? ??? ?????????????, ??????????? ? ??????????? ????? ? ?? ???????
???, ?? ??????? ????? ???????????? ?????? ?????????? ? ????????.

19 ???? 2010 ?. 17:33 ???????????? Vladimir Vasilenko
<jeltoesolnce at aol.com> ???????:
> ? ???? VDS ????.
> FreeBSD.
>
> ?.
>
> On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 15:35:08 +0300, Serg V. Gulko <s.gulko at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ??????? ??? ?? ????????? ? ?????? read-only
>>
>> http://kiev.pm.org/?q=node/427/
>>
>
>
> --
> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

From jeltoesolnce at aol.com  Mon Jul 19 07:33:36 2010
From: jeltoesolnce at aol.com (Vladimir Vasilenko)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 17:33:36 +0300
Subject: =?utf-8?B?0JrRgNCw0YLQutC40LUg0LjRgtC+0LPQuCDQstGB0YLRgNC10YfQuCAxOC4=?=
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? ???? VDS ????.
FreeBSD.

?.

On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 15:35:08 +0300, Serg V. Gulko <s.gulko at gmail.com>  
wrote:

> ??????? ??? ?? ????????? ? ?????? read-only
>
> http://kiev.pm.org/?q=node/427/
>


-- 
Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

From dshadowukraine at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 07:17:18 2010
From: dshadowukraine at gmail.com (Konstantin Cherednichenko)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 07:17:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IOvSwdTLycUgydTPx8kg19PU0sXeySAxOC4wNi4y?=
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In-Reply-To: <op.vf27t6lwt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>
References: <b6715eca-a12e-4338-903e-b9b08798ba00@5g2000yqz.googlegroups.com> 
	<7ee8549e-02db-4820-8e17-69984e8ea1fa@i28g2000yqa.googlegroups.com> 
	<op.vf27t6lwt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>
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? ???? ???????????? ???????? VPS ?? FreeBSD 8.0 ? Perl 5.10.1 ?
Mojolicious...

??? ?? ????? ????????????? ? ?????????? CMS/forum ?? Mojolicious. ????
??? ??????? ?????? ?? ???. ???????? ? daemon_prefork ??????...

On 19 ???, 14:07, "Vladimir Vasilenko" <jeltoesol... at aol.com> wrote:
> ??????????, ? ? ???? ???? ??????? ??? ???????)
>
> ?.

From s.gulko at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 05:35:08 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (Serg V. Gulko)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 15:35:08 +0300
Subject: =?koi8-r?Q?=EB=D2=C1=D4=CB=C9=C5?=
 =?koi8-r?Q?_=C9=D4=CF=C7=C9?= =?koi8-r?Q?_=D7=D3=D4=D2=C5=DE=C9?= 18.06.2010
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??????? ??? ?? ????????? ? ?????? read-only

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From agnislav at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 05:31:28 2010
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???.

19 ???? 2010 ?. 15:30 ???????????? Serg V. Gulko <s.gulko at gmail.com> ???????:
>> 3. ??????????? ?????? ???????? IT-?????????? ? ???????? ???????, ???
>> ????? ???? ?? ?????????? Perl
> ????? ?????????. ??????, ?? ???????? ???????? Kiev.pm ????-?????????
> ??? ??? ?? ????????. ???? ? ????? ???????? ?? ??????, ???? ? ????????
> ?? ?????????? (??? - ?????)
>
> ???? ??????????? ?????? ? ??????????

From s.gulko at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 05:30:18 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (Serg V. Gulko)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 15:30:18 +0300
Subject: =?koi8-r?Q?=EB=D2=C1=D4=CB=C9=C5?=
 =?koi8-r?Q?_=C9=D4=CF=C7=C9?= =?koi8-r?Q?_=D7=D3=D4=D2=C5=DE=C9?= 18.06.2010
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> > 3. ??????????? ?????? ???????? IT-?????????? ? ???????? ???????, ???
> > ????? ???? ?? ?????????? Perl
> ????? ?????????. ??????, ?? ???????? ???????? Kiev.pm ????-?????????
> ??? ??? ?? ????????. ???? ? ????? ???????? ?? ??????, ???? ? ????????
> ?? ?????????? (??? - ?????)
> 

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From podwar2008 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 04:25:50 2010
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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 15:25:50 +0400
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From ykorshak at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 04:18:58 2010
From: ykorshak at gmail.com (yko)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 04:18:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IOvSwdTLycUgydTPx8kg19PU0sXeySAxOC4wNi4y?=
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? ???? ????, ?? ? ?? ??? (?)

??? ????????????? ?????? ??????.

? ???? ???? ???????????? ?????????? ??????-???????, ?? ??????? ?
?????? ??????? ?????????. ?? ?? ?????????? ? ???? ?????????????? ?? ?
????? ?? ???? ?????.

? ?????, ??? ???????????? (??????) ??????? ????????? ?? ??? ??????,
??????? ??????? ??????????? ????????? ???? ?? ????????? ??????, ? ???
????? ??????????? ???????? ?????? ??????, ??? ????? ?????????? ?????
???????.
??? ? ??????? ????? ???????

On 19 ???, 14:07, "Vladimir Vasilenko" <jeltoesol... at aol.com> wrote:
> ??????????, ? ? ???? ???? ??????? ??? ???????)

From agnislav at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 04:09:18 2010
From: agnislav at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JDQs9C90LjRgdC70LDQsiDQntC90YPRhNGA0LjQudGH0YPQug==?=)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 14:09:18 +0300
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???? ????????????.

19 ???? 2010 ?. 14:07 ???????????? Vladimir Vasilenko
<jeltoesolnce at aol.com> ???????:
> ??????????, ? ? ???? ???? ??????? ??? ???????)
>
>
> ?.

From jeltoesolnce at aol.com  Mon Jul 19 04:07:08 2010
From: jeltoesolnce at aol.com (Vladimir Vasilenko)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 14:07:08 +0300
Subject: =?utf-8?B?0JrRgNCw0YLQutC40LUg0LjRgtC+0LPQuCDQstGB0YLRgNC10YfQuCAxOC4=?=
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Message-ID: <op.vf27t6lwt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>

??????????, ? ? ???? ???? ??????? ??? ???????)


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From ykorshak at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 03:50:33 2010
From: ykorshak at gmail.com (yko)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 03:50:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IOvSwdTLycUgydTPx8kg19PU0sXeySAxOC4wNi4y?=
	=?KOI8-R?B?MDEw?=
In-Reply-To: <b6715eca-a12e-4338-903e-b9b08798ba00@5g2000yqz.googlegroups.com>
References: <b6715eca-a12e-4338-903e-b9b08798ba00@5g2000yqz.googlegroups.com>
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On 19 ???, 12:18, "s.gu... at gmail.com" <s.gu... at gmail.com> wrote:
> ????? ?????????? ????? ??????(? ?????? ? ?????????? ??????) ???????,
> ????????? ????????? ????????? ????????? ?????????:
>
> 1. ????????? ???????? ?????? Perl Certified Hosting(http://www.perlcertifiedhosting.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome) ?? ?????-
> ????? ???????????? ?????????
????? ?????? ?? ????? ?????? ? pm.org ??? ?? ???????? ??????? ? ?????
???? ? ?????? .pm ????? ?? ????? ??????.
????? ??????? ?????? perl-??????????? ???????-???????????, ??? - ???
??? ????? ???????? ????? ?? ?????.
???, ????????, http://peterhost.ru/news/mod_perl/
? ??????????? ???????? ??? ????? ??? ????? (? ???? ? ???? ????? ??-??,
????.???, ???) ??? ??????? ? ??? ????? ??? ??????? ?????????? (?????)
?????????? ???????? ? ????? ??????/????????. ????????? ???. ?????.
????? ???????? ? ????????? perl ???? ??? ????. ??? ???????-????????
???????????.

> 2. ????????? ? ??????? ?????????? ??????? ??????? ?? perl6
?????? ?????????? ???? - ???????, ????? ???? ? ???????????? ????????,
???????. ??? ??????? - ??????????? ???????????? ? ????? ?? ???????-
???????????. ?? ????? ????? ??????? ?????? ??????????
????????????????? ???????-???????.

> 3. ??????????? ?????? ???????? IT-?????????? ? ???????? ???????, ???
> ????? ???? ?? ?????????? Perl
????? ?????????. ??????, ?? ???????? ???????? Kiev.pm ????-?????????
??? ??? ?? ????????. ???? ? ????? ???????? ?? ??????, ???? ? ????????
?? ?????????? (??? - ?????)

? ?????????? ?????????? Kiev.pm ???????? ??????? ???? ??  ??
http://www.developers.org.ua/calendar/ ? ???????? ????????????-
?????????? ???????.
??????? ???????? ?? Lviv Startup Club 11 ?????????-????????
http://www.developers.org.ua/calendar/event/m733247ih64vdb8a26omlsjplk/
? ???????: ??????? ???? ?? 24 ????!
http://www.developers.org.ua/calendar/event/ilujh27ftg5aig4n02asoplmpg/
??? ??? ??? ??????? ??????? ???????? ???????????. ?????? ??????
???????????, ??????????, ???? ?? ????? ???????? ?????????.
> 4. ??????????? ??? ???????? ?? ???? Perl ? ?????-Perl ??????????
??. (? ???? ?????? ?????? ????, ?? ? ??????? ? ??? ???????)
> 5. ?????? ?????? ??? ???????????? ??? ???????? ???????????? web-??????????(CMS, Social, e-shop)
????? ?????. ??? ???????, ??????? ??????????? ? ?????? ??????????? ??
???? ?????? ???? ???????????? ???????? (??, ??, php, ruby). ???? ?????
??????? ????, ??????? ?? ??????? ?????????? ????????????.
???? ???????? ?????? ???????? ?? ???? ????? ???????????????? ? ????
?????? - ?????? ?????????? ??????? ????? ??????????? ???? ? ??????
????????????. ?????????? ? ????? - ????????? ??? ?????????.
?????????????? ????? ??????? ? ???? ? ???????????? ???????. ?? ?
????????. ????????? ???????? ??? ???????? ????????? ???? ?????????
??????, ????????? ????????????, ????? ????????? ??????????. ?? ?
??????? - ?????? ??????? ? ?????? ??????? ????? ??????. ???
??????????? ???? ????????? ? Simne

> 6. ? ????????? ??????? ???????? ????? ?????? kiev.pm ? ??????, ?????????? ?? Mojo

????????. ??? ??? ??????? ?? ???????, ?????????? ?? ????, ? ???
??????????? ?????? ??????? :?

From ali at ali.org.ua  Mon Jul 19 03:46:30 2010
From: ali at ali.org.ua (Oleg Alistratov)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 13:46:30 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?0JrRgNCw0YLQutC40LUg0LjRgtC+0LPQuCDQstGB0YLRgNC10Yc=?=
 =?UTF-8?B?0LggMTguMDYuMjAxMA==?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinkyF7FHEznd9jvpTpJg_uysf0DJ8tnHM2k2fVu@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b6715eca-a12e-4338-903e-b9b08798ba00@5g2000yqz.googlegroups.com> 	<op.vf2362skt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork> <AANLkTinkyF7FHEznd9jvpTpJg_uysf0DJ8tnHM2k2fVu@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C442D06.10401@ali.org.ua>




On 19.07.2010 13:43, ???????? ?????????? wrote:

> ? ?????? ?????? ?? ?????? ?????? ???? ?????? ??????? "? - ???????"! =)

???????? ??????.

????????, ???????, ??? ? ?? ?????? ? ???????? ????????? ?? ?????? ?? 
??????? ????????, ??????? ????? ??? ???????????.

?? ? ?????????? ? ?????????? ????.



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From agnislav at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 03:43:24 2010
From: agnislav at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JDQs9C90LjRgdC70LDQsiDQntC90YPRhNGA0LjQudGH0YPQug==?=)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 13:43:24 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6INCa0YDQsNGC0LrQuNC1INC40YLQvtCz0Lgg0LLRgdGC0YDQtdGH0LggMTguMDYuMg==?=
	=?UTF-8?B?MDEw?=
In-Reply-To: <op.vf2362skt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>
References: <b6715eca-a12e-4338-903e-b9b08798ba00@5g2000yqz.googlegroups.com> 
	<op.vf2362skt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinkyF7FHEznd9jvpTpJg_uysf0DJ8tnHM2k2fVu@mail.gmail.com>

? ?????? ?????? ?? ?????? ?????? ???? ?????? ??????? "? - ???????"! =)

19 ???? 2010 ?. 12:48 ???????????? Vladimir Vasilenko
<jeltoesolnce at aol.com> ???????:
> ???????????: ? ??? ?????????????? ?????????? ???????? ?????????????????
> ?????????????, ?????????? ???????? ????? ?????????? ???????? ? ????? ??????
> ? ???????? ?? ????: "? - ?? ???????" ? ???????????? ?????????? ?? ?????
> kiev.pm ??????????? ?????? ?? ??????????? ??????????.
>
> ? ?? ????? ??? ??????).
>
>
> ?.
>
>
> On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 12:18:27 +0300, s.gulko at gmail.com <s.gulko at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> ????? ?????????? ????? ??????(? ?????? ? ?????????? ??????) ???????,
>> ????????? ????????? ????????? ????????? ?????????:
>>
>> 1. ????????? ???????? ?????? Perl Certified Hosting(http://
>> www.perlcertifiedhosting.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome) ?? ?????-
>> ????? ???????????? ?????????
>> 2. ????????? ? ??????? ?????????? ??????? ??????? ?? perl6
>> 3. ??????????? ?????? ???????? IT-?????????? ? ???????? ???????, ???
>> ????? ???? ?? ?????????? Perl
>> 4. ??????????? ??? ???????? ?? ???? Perl ? ?????-Perl ??????????
>> 5. ?????? ?????? ??? ???????????? ??? ???????? ???????????? web-
>> ??????????(CMS, Social, e-shop)
>> 6. ? ????????? ??????? ???????? ????? ?????? kiev.pm ? ??????,
>> ?????????? ?? Mojo
>
>
> --
> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

From podwar2008 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 03:42:07 2010
From: podwar2008 at gmail.com (=?KOI8-R?B?5dfHxc7JyiDy1cTexc7Lzw==?=)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 14:42:07 +0400
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IOvSwdTLycUgydTPx8kg19PU0sXeySAxOC4wNi4y?=
	=?KOI8-R?B?MDEw?=
In-Reply-To: <op.vf2362skt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>
References: <b6715eca-a12e-4338-903e-b9b08798ba00@5g2000yqz.googlegroups.com>
	<op.vf2362skt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimYIPkeToNo6t4mWjSlFeG0LX1BMoSBtxpjLGB0@mail.gmail.com>

?? ??? ?????? ????? ?????? ???? PERL ??? ??????? ?????????? ??? ????????
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From jeltoesolnce at aol.com  Mon Jul 19 02:48:33 2010
From: jeltoesolnce at aol.com (Vladimir Vasilenko)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 12:48:33 +0300
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?????????????, ?????????? ???????? ????? ?????????? ???????? ? ?????  
?????? ? ???????? ?? ????: "? - ?? ???????" ? ???????????? ?????????? ??  
????? kiev.pm ??????????? ?????? ?? ??????????? ??????????.

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On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 12:18:27 +0300, s.gulko at gmail.com <s.gulko at gmail.com>  
wrote:

> ????? ?????????? ????? ??????(? ?????? ? ?????????? ??????) ???????,
> ????????? ????????? ????????? ????????? ?????????:
>
> 1. ????????? ???????? ?????? Perl Certified Hosting(http://
> www.perlcertifiedhosting.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome) ?? ?????-
> ????? ???????????? ?????????
> 2. ????????? ? ??????? ?????????? ??????? ??????? ?? perl6
> 3. ??????????? ?????? ???????? IT-?????????? ? ???????? ???????, ???
> ????? ???? ?? ?????????? Perl
> 4. ??????????? ??? ???????? ?? ???? Perl ? ?????-Perl ??????????
> 5. ?????? ?????? ??? ???????????? ??? ???????? ???????????? web-
> ??????????(CMS, Social, e-shop)
> 6. ? ????????? ??????? ???????? ????? ?????? kiev.pm ? ??????,
> ?????????? ?? Mojo


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From agnislav at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 02:46:50 2010
From: agnislav at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JDQs9C90LjRgdC70LDQsiDQntC90YPRhNGA0LjQudGH0YPQug==?=)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 12:46:50 +0300
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??? ??? ? ???? - ??????????? ??????????.

19 ???? 2010 ?. 12:18 ???????????? s.gulko at gmail.com
<s.gulko at gmail.com> ???????:
> ????? ?????????? ????? ??????(? ?????? ? ?????????? ??????) ???????,
> ????????? ????????? ????????? ????????? ?????????:
>
> 1. ????????? ???????? ?????? Perl Certified Hosting(http://
> www.perlcertifiedhosting.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome) ?? ?????-
> ????? ???????????? ?????????
> 2. ????????? ? ??????? ?????????? ??????? ??????? ?? perl6
> 3. ??????????? ?????? ???????? IT-?????????? ? ???????? ???????, ???
> ????? ???? ?? ?????????? Perl
> 4. ??????????? ??? ???????? ?? ???? Perl ? ?????-Perl ??????????
> 5. ?????? ?????? ??? ???????????? ??? ???????? ???????????? web-
> ??????????(CMS, Social, e-shop)
> 6. ? ????????? ??????? ???????? ????? ?????? kiev.pm ? ??????,
> ?????????? ?? Mojo

From s.gulko at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 02:18:27 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (s.gulko at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 02:18:27 -0700 (PDT)
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????? ?????????? ????? ??????(? ?????? ? ?????????? ??????) ???????,
????????? ????????? ????????? ????????? ?????????:

1. ????????? ???????? ?????? Perl Certified Hosting(http://
www.perlcertifiedhosting.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome) ?? ?????-
????? ???????????? ?????????
2. ????????? ? ??????? ?????????? ??????? ??????? ?? perl6
3. ??????????? ?????? ???????? IT-?????????? ? ???????? ???????, ???
????? ???? ?? ?????????? Perl
4. ??????????? ??? ???????? ?? ???? Perl ? ?????-Perl ??????????
5. ?????? ?????? ??? ???????????? ??? ???????? ???????????? web-
??????????(CMS, Social, e-shop)
6. ? ????????? ??????? ???????? ????? ?????? kiev.pm ? ??????,
?????????? ?? Mojo

From simne at yandex.ru  Mon Jul 19 13:30:19 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 00:30:19 +0400
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19.07.10, 22:44, "???????? ??????????" <agnislav at gmail.com>:

> > ???? ?????? ??????, ???????????-?? ?? Perl Certified Hosting ??????
>  > ???? mod_perl?
>  > ?????? ??? ?? ??? ????????, FastCGI ????? ???????????? ???????????? ?
>  > ????????? ????? ???????.
>  ? ????? ???????, ???? ?????, ?????????? ??? mod_perl. ?? ? ??????...
>  ???? ????????, ?????????, ???????????. ???? ???????? ??????????.

?? ????? ?????? ???????? - ????? ??????? ? ?? ? ?????? ? ??? ?? ???? ? ??????.
?????? ??????? ?? ??? ??? ? ?????? ?? ??? ? ?????? - ??? mod_perl ????? ?????? ?????, ??????? ????????? ??????? ????, ? ??????? ???? ?????? ?? ????.

? ??????? ???????: ? ?????? ?? ?????? ?????????? ? ????? ????? ??????? ? ????? ?????? ???????? ?? Perl, ?????????? ??? mod_perl..
?????? ??? ??????, ?? ????? ??????????, ? ???? ?????????? ???????? ? ?????????????? ??????????? ???????? ?????????/??????????, ? ? ???? ??????????? ???????? ? ??? ??????? ????????? ????? CVS, ? ??? ????????????? ???? ????? ???????? ?????????, ? ?????????, ??? ??? "????????????? ?????? ? ??????? ????? ????????" :)

??????? ?????? ??????? ?? ???????? - ????????-??, ??? ???? mod_php - ????????? ????????? ???????? - ???? ? ???????..
??? ??? - ????? ??????? ?????????? ????????????? (!!!) Fast_CGI ???? ? ?????????? php ? nginx/lighthttpd.
? ?????????? ??????????? ???????? ? ????????? ????????, ?? ? ?????????????????? ?????? ????? ???????????, ??? ????????? ???????? ???? ??????????? web-????????, ??? ? ????????? ????????????? ?????????????? ??? ??? ???? ???? ? ??? ?????? ?????? memcached.

>  > ????? ???????? ?????? ?? ????????? ????????? ??????? ? ??????? ???????
>  > ?????? ??????? ???? ???????, ????? ?????????? ????? ???????? ???????
>  > ??? ??? ??? ?????.
>  ????, ???? ????? ??-??????? ??????... ???? ???????? ? ????, ??? ???
>  ???????? ?? ??????, ??????? ????????? ??? ?????????. ??????? ? ?????
>  ?? ? ??? ?????? ? ??????? ???? ?????. ???????? ????????? ????? ?
>  ????????.

? ???? ??????????? ??? ?????? ?????????? ??????????? ??? ? ??????? ?? ??????????..
????????????, ????? ???????, ??? ??????? ????? ???????????? ? ?? Perl 5 ? ?? Perl 6, ? ??? ????? ???????????? ?? Perl 5 ? ????? ? ???????????? ????????? ??? ????????? ?? Perl 6.
? ??????, ???? ????? ???????????? ????? ??????? ?????? ????????? ???????, ??? ????? ??? ? ?? Perl 5 ? ?? Perl 6 ????????????.

>  > ?? ???????? ??? web ????????? ???? ?????? ????????, ?? ???? ?????
>  > ???????? CMS, ????? ??? Joomla/Drupal, ??? ?????? ??????? ???????? ?
>  > ???? ?????? ?? ?????? ???? ????????, ? ?????-?? ? ?????????? ??????-
>  > ???????? ???????????? ?????? ?????, ? ????? ? ?????? ??????? ?????.
>  > ?? ???? ????? ?? ??????? ?????-?? ?????? ?? Drupal, ?? ?????
>  > ????????????? ????????? ?????? ??????????? ????????? ????????????????
>  > ??????????????? ? ???? ???????.
>  ??? ??? ??? ??? ?? ????????. ? ?? "???? ????????, ??????? ????????".
>  ?????? ??? ??????? ????????? Jifty. ?????????? ???????? ?????? ?????
>  ??????. ?????? (???? ? ???? ???????) ??????????? ???? ?? ??????, ????
>  ?? TemplateToolkit. ?????? ???????????? ?? ??????????. ????, ????
>  ?????? - ???????? ??????????.

? ??? ?? ??? (????? yko):
???????? ??? ???????? ????????? ???? ????????? ??????, ????????? ????????????, ????? ????????? ??????????

??? ???????????? ????????????????? ??? ??? ? ??????????, ??? ? ?????????? ????????? ????????? ???????, ?? ?????? ????? ???????.
??? ??? ???????? ? Drupal ? ??????? ????????? ?????????? ??????, ? ????? ????????? ?????????? ??????? ? ??????? ? ???????????? ???? ???? ?????????, ? ?? ???? ????? ? ?????????? ?????? ??????? ????, ??? ?? ??????? ???????, ? ????? ??? ????? ???????????? ????????? ????????????/?????????, ?? ??????????? ? ??????? ???? (? ? ????????? CMS ????? ???????? ??????? :D ).

?????? ??????, ? ???????? ???????? ???????????????? (???????? ? ???), ???? ??????????? ?????????? ? ????????? ????????? ??? ????? ?????.
? ??? ???????? ? C/C++ ????? ?????????? ???, ? ?????????? ?????? ????? ???-?? ???? - ??????? ??? ? ??????? ?????????? ?????? Make? :))))
? Perl ???? ???? ???????????? ?????? ????????, ? ???????????? ?????????????? ??????, ? ??? ??????? ???????, ?? ??? ?????? Model/Controller, ? ???? View ??? ???????????? ????? ????? ?????? ??????????, ?????? ?? ?????? Web.


From agnislav at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 11:58:36 2010
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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 21:58:36 +0300
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?????? ??? ? ? ???? ? ???? =)

19 ???? 2010 ?. 20:51 ???????????? Serg Gulko <s.gulko at gmail.com> ???????:
> ??? ??? ???????, ????? ????????? ????????????? ????????? ????????????? ?
> ??????????. ? ???? view ????? ????????? ????????? ??????? ????????, ??
> ??? ????????? ?????? ?? ?????? ????? ? ????????????? ??????.
>
>
>> ??? ??? ??? ??? ?? ????????. ? ?? "???? ????????, ??????? ????????".
>> ?????? ??? ??????? ????????? Jifty. ?????????? ???????? ?????? ?????
>> ??????. ?????? (???? ? ???? ???????) ??????????? ???? ?? ??????, ????
>> ?? TemplateToolkit. ?????? ???????????? ?? ??????????. ????, ????
>> ?????? - ???????? ??????????.
>
>
>

From s.gulko at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 10:51:33 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (Serg Gulko)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 20:51:33 +0300
Subject: =?koi8-r?Q?=EB=D2=C1=D4=CB=C9=C5?=
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??? ??? ???????, ????? ????????? ????????????? ????????? ????????????? ?
??????????. ? ???? view ????? ????????? ????????? ??????? ????????, ??
??? ????????? ?????? ?? ?????? ????? ? ????????????? ??????. 


> ??? ??? ??? ??? ?? ????????. ? ?? "???? ????????, ??????? ????????".
> ?????? ??? ??????? ????????? Jifty. ?????????? ???????? ?????? ?????
> ??????. ?????? (???? ? ???? ???????) ??????????? ???? ?? ??????, ????
> ?? TemplateToolkit. ?????? ???????????? ?? ??????????. ????, ????
> ?????? - ???????? ??????????.




From agnislav at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 11:44:01 2010
From: agnislav at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JDQs9C90LjRgdC70LDQsiDQntC90YPRhNGA0LjQudGH0YPQug==?=)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 21:44:01 +0300
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> ???? ?????? ??????, ???????????-?? ?? Perl Certified Hosting ??????
> ???? mod_perl?
> ?????? ??? ?? ??? ????????, FastCGI ????? ???????????? ???????????? ?
> ????????? ????? ???????.
? ????? ???????, ???? ?????, ?????????? ??? mod_perl. ?? ? ??????...
???? ????????, ?????????, ???????????. ???? ???????? ??????????.

> ????? ???????? ?????? ?? ????????? ????????? ??????? ? ??????? ???????
> ?????? ??????? ???? ???????, ????? ?????????? ????? ???????? ???????
> ??? ??? ??? ?????.
????, ???? ????? ??-??????? ??????... ???? ???????? ? ????, ??? ???
???????? ?? ??????, ??????? ????????? ??? ?????????. ??????? ? ?????
?? ? ??? ?????? ? ??????? ???? ?????. ???????? ????????? ????? ?
????????.

> ?? ???????? ??? web ????????? ???? ?????? ????????, ?? ???? ?????
> ???????? CMS, ????? ??? Joomla/Drupal, ??? ?????? ??????? ???????? ?
> ???? ?????? ?? ?????? ???? ????????, ? ?????-?? ? ?????????? ??????-
> ???????? ???????????? ?????? ?????, ? ????? ? ?????? ??????? ?????.
> ?? ???? ????? ?? ??????? ?????-?? ?????? ?? Drupal, ?? ?????
> ????????????? ????????? ?????? ??????????? ????????? ????????????????
> ??????????????? ? ???? ???????.
??? ??? ??? ??? ?? ????????. ? ?? "???? ????????, ??????? ????????".
?????? ??? ??????? ????????? Jifty. ?????????? ???????? ?????? ?????
??????. ?????? (???? ? ???? ???????) ??????????? ???? ?? ??????, ????
?? TemplateToolkit. ?????? ???????????? ?? ??????????. ????, ????
?????? - ???????? ??????????.

From q7u5 at ukr.net  Mon Jul 19 10:08:15 2010
From: q7u5 at ukr.net (Dmitrii)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 20:08:15 +0300
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???? Wiki ?????? ?? perl6 http://www.nestor.minsk.by/sr/2008/09/sr80907.html      

???: CGI, HTML::Template ? ????????? ??????? (md5 sha1 crypt).      

? ???...      

cpan6 ????? ??? http://cpan6.org/      

(?????? ? ??? ?????? ?? ????)      

.......      

ProFTP      

http://www.x0.org.ua            
    
--- ???????? ????????? ---    
?? ????: simne <simne007 at gmail.com>    
????: Kiev Perl Users Group <kiev-perl-users-group at googlegroups.com>    
????: 19 ????, 18:10:30    
????: Re: ??????? ????? ??????? 18.07.2010    
    
    ??????? ???????? ????????, ??? ?????? 7-? ????? ?? ?????????????????    
(?????????????????) ?????????? ;)    
    
On 19 ???, 12:18, "s.gu... at gmail.com" <s.gu... at gmail.com> wrote:    
> ????? ?????????? ????? ??????(? ?????? ? ?????????? ??????) ???????,    
> ????????? ????????? ????????? ????????? ?????????:    
>    
> 1. ????????? ???????? ?????? Perl Certified Hosting(http://www.perlcertifiedhosting.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome) ?? ?????-    
> ????? ???????????? ?????????    
    
??????..    
???? ?????? ??????, ???????????-?? ?? Perl Certified Hosting ??????    
???? mod_perl?    
?????? ??? ?? ??? ????????, FastCGI ????? ???????????? ???????????? ?    
????????? ????? ???????.    
??????, ??? ???????? ?????????? ????? - ???? ????????, ??????    
????????? ?????? ???? ? ?????????????????????? ? ????????????????????    
?????, ?? ???? ?? ?????? ???????? ??? ?????? ????????? ?????? ?    
??????????? ??????? ??????????????? (????? ?????? ???????? ? ???????    
???????? ??????, ? ????? ????? ?????? ?? ?????? ? ???? ?? ?????? ?    
?????).    
??????, Perl 5 ???????? PHP/Java ?????? ????? ????? ??????? ??????    
???????? ????? ? ????, ? ?? ?????? ???????????????, ?? ????? ????????    
Perl ????????? ??????????? ??? ?????? ??????.    
Perl 5 ?????? ????? ????? ? ?????? ????????????????? ?????, ?? ??    
????????????? ???????? ? ?????????? ????? ?????, ? Perl 6 ?????? ?????    
??? ????? ;)    
    
> 2. ????????? ? ??????? ?????????? ??????? ??????? ?? perl6    
    
????? ???????? ?????? ?? ????????? ????????? ??????? ? ??????? ???????    
?????? ??????? ???? ???????, ????? ?????????? ????? ???????? ???????    
??? ??? ??? ?????.    
    
???????? ???????? ????? ??? (????????? ????????? ???? ??? ??????? ?? 6-    
?? ? ?? ???? ?? ????, ????? ???????? "???????????????" ? ???????????    
???????? ?????):    
????????? Perl6/Parrot    
http://groups.google.com/group/kiev-perl-users-group/t/d5e67d6cc76f9ba9?hl=ru    
    
???????? ???????:    
CGI, FastCGI, mod_parrot; ???? ?????-?? ?? ????????????? ??????????    
???????????, ????????-?? ?????, ????????? ????? ? ????????? ???????    
??? ?????? ??????????.    
???????????, ??? ???? ???? ? FastCGI ? mod_parrot, ??????????????    
????????, ???? ?? ???????? ? ???????? ?????? ???    
    
????? ???? ?????????? ? ?????????? ??? ?????? Perl 6 ?? ???.    
??? DBI, DBIx (? ????????); ??? ?????? ???????? html; ??? ??????    
????????/????????? ????.    
????-??: XML/SOAP/JSON/etc    
    
> 3. ??????????? ?????? ???????? IT-?????????? ? ???????? ???????, ???    
> ????? ???? ?? ?????????? Perl    
> 4. ??????????? ??? ???????? ?? ???? Perl ? ?????-Perl ??????????    
    
??? ? ???? ???.    
    
> 5. ?????? ?????? ??? ???????????? ??? ???????? ???????????? web-    
> ??????????(CMS, Social, e-shop)    
    
??? ????? ??????-?? ???????? ?? ??????? ?.2 - ???????????, ????? web-    
?????????? ?????? ?????????? ? ??????? ???????????, ????? ?? ?? ???? ?    
???????? ?????.    
    
?? ???????? ??? web ????????? ???? ?????? ????????, ?? ???? ?????    
???????? CMS, ????? ??? Joomla/Drupal, ??? ?????? ??????? ???????? ?    
???? ?????? ?? ?????? ???? ????????, ? ?????-?? ? ?????????? ??????-    
???????? ???????????? ?????? ?????, ? ????? ? ?????? ??????? ?????.    
?? ???? ????? ?? ??????? ?????-?? ?????? ?? Drupal, ?? ?????    
????????????? ????????? ?????? ??????????? ????????? ????????????????    
??????????????? ? ???? ???????.    
?? ???? ????? ????? ?????????? ?? ????????, ? ???????????? (??????,    
????????? ????????, ??? ??? ????? ??????? ?? Perl).    
    
> 6. ? ????????? ??????? ???????? ????? ?????? kiev.pm ? ??????,    
> ?????????? ?? Mojo    
    
??? ????? ????????? ?? ??? ?????? :) ? ????? ?????? ?????????? ?    
????????? ?.5.  
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From: simne007 at gmail.com (simne)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 08:10:30 -0700 (PDT)
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??????? ???????? ????????, ??? ?????? 7-? ????? ?? ?????????????????
(?????????????????) ?????????? ;)

On 19 ???, 12:18, "s.gu... at gmail.com" <s.gu... at gmail.com> wrote:
> ????? ?????????? ????? ??????(? ?????? ? ?????????? ??????) ???????,
> ????????? ????????? ????????? ????????? ?????????:
>
> 1. ????????? ???????? ?????? Perl Certified Hosting(http://www.perlcertifiedhosting.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome) ?? ?????-
> ????? ???????????? ?????????

??????..
???? ?????? ??????, ???????????-?? ?? Perl Certified Hosting ??????
???? mod_perl?
?????? ??? ?? ??? ????????, FastCGI ????? ???????????? ???????????? ?
????????? ????? ???????.
??????, ??? ???????? ?????????? ????? - ???? ????????, ??????
????????? ?????? ???? ? ?????????????????????? ? ????????????????????
?????, ?? ???? ?? ?????? ???????? ??? ?????? ????????? ?????? ?
??????????? ??????? ??????????????? (????? ?????? ???????? ? ???????
???????? ??????, ? ????? ????? ?????? ?? ?????? ? ???? ?? ?????? ?
?????).
??????, Perl 5 ???????? PHP/Java ?????? ????? ????? ??????? ??????
???????? ????? ? ????, ? ?? ?????? ???????????????, ?? ????? ????????
Perl ????????? ??????????? ??? ?????? ??????.
Perl 5 ?????? ????? ????? ? ?????? ????????????????? ?????, ?? ??
????????????? ???????? ? ?????????? ????? ?????, ? Perl 6 ?????? ?????
??? ????? ;)

> 2. ????????? ? ??????? ?????????? ??????? ??????? ?? perl6

????? ???????? ?????? ?? ????????? ????????? ??????? ? ??????? ???????
?????? ??????? ???? ???????, ????? ?????????? ????? ???????? ???????
??? ??? ??? ?????.

???????? ???????? ????? ??? (????????? ????????? ???? ??? ??????? ?? 6-
?? ? ?? ???? ?? ????, ????? ???????? "???????????????" ? ???????????
???????? ?????):
????????? Perl6/Parrot
http://groups.google.com/group/kiev-perl-users-group/t/d5e67d6cc76f9ba9?hl=ru

???????? ???????:
CGI, FastCGI, mod_parrot; ???? ?????-?? ?? ????????????? ??????????
???????????, ????????-?? ?????, ????????? ????? ? ????????? ???????
??? ?????? ??????????.
???????????, ??? ???? ???? ? FastCGI ? mod_parrot, ??????????????
????????, ???? ?? ???????? ? ???????? ?????? ???

????? ???? ?????????? ? ?????????? ??? ?????? Perl 6 ?? ???.
??? DBI, DBIx (? ????????); ??? ?????? ???????? html; ??? ??????
????????/????????? ????.
????-??: XML/SOAP/JSON/etc

> 3. ??????????? ?????? ???????? IT-?????????? ? ???????? ???????, ???
> ????? ???? ?? ?????????? Perl
> 4. ??????????? ??? ???????? ?? ???? Perl ? ?????-Perl ??????????

??? ? ???? ???.

> 5. ?????? ?????? ??? ???????????? ??? ???????? ???????????? web-
> ??????????(CMS, Social, e-shop)

??? ????? ??????-?? ???????? ?? ??????? ?.2 - ???????????, ????? web-
?????????? ?????? ?????????? ? ??????? ???????????, ????? ?? ?? ???? ?
???????? ?????.

?? ???????? ??? web ????????? ???? ?????? ????????, ?? ???? ?????
???????? CMS, ????? ??? Joomla/Drupal, ??? ?????? ??????? ???????? ?
???? ?????? ?? ?????? ???? ????????, ? ?????-?? ? ?????????? ??????-
???????? ???????????? ?????? ?????, ? ????? ? ?????? ??????? ?????.
?? ???? ????? ?? ??????? ?????-?? ?????? ?? Drupal, ?? ?????
????????????? ????????? ?????? ??????????? ????????? ????????????????
??????????????? ? ???? ???????.
?? ???? ????? ????? ?????????? ?? ????????, ? ???????????? (??????,
????????? ????????, ??? ??? ????? ??????? ?? Perl).

> 6. ? ????????? ??????? ???????? ????? ?????? kiev.pm ? ??????,
> ?????????? ?? Mojo

??? ????? ????????? ?? ??? ?????? :) ? ????? ?????? ?????????? ?
????????? ?.5.

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2010/7/31 Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru>

> Lingua Perl non penis canina.
>
> 31.07.10, 22:07, "??????? ????????" <notformat at gmail.com>:
> >
> >
> > 31 ???? 2010 ?. 21:04 ???????????? Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru>
> ???????:
> > > 31.07.10, 08:42, "??????? ????????" <notformat at gmail.com>:
> > > > ???? + IRC + Wiki. ? ??? ?? ????? ??? ?????? ??????
> > > ? ?????? ??? ????? ???? ??????
> > > ??????? ? ???? ????? ??? ??? ??? ? ?? ??????? email-???????? ?
> ?????????/????? ???????????.
> > > ???? ? ???, ??? ???? ?????? ???? ?????????? ????????????:
> > > 1. ??? ?????????? ?????????? ????????? ? ??? ?????????? ???????
> ????????? ?????? email-???????? - ??? ??? ??? ??????????? ?????????????
> ????? - ????? ??????? ????? ? ??????? ????? ???????? ??????? ??????,
> ???????? ????????, ????????, ? ??????? ?????? ??????????? ???????? ?????.
> > > 2. ??? ??????? ?????-?? ??????????? ???????? ? ????? ??? ????????
> ?????????? ???????, ????? IRC/IM/???????????/????? ???????.
> > > 3. ? ?????-?? ??????? ??????? ??????, ??????? ???????? ?????????????
> ????? ????? IRC ? ????????????? ? ??????????.
> > > 4. ? ????? ?????? ?????? ??? ??????????, ?????? ???? ?????? ?????-??
> ???????, ??? ?????????? ???????, ??? ? ????? ?????? ??????, ?????? ????
> ?????????? ??????????????? ?????????? ????????? ??? ????????? ??????????
> ???????? ?? ????????? ?????????.
> > > ?? ?????? ?????? ? ??? ??? ????? ?????? ?????? ????, ??? ? ????
> ???????? ?????????, ? ?? ??????????? ???????? ????????? ? ??????????.
> >
> >
> > ??? ????? ?? ????? ??????????????? ??????.
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From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 23:29:49 +0400
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Lingua Perl non penis canina.

31.07.10, 22:07, "??????? ????????" <notformat at gmail.com>:
> 
> 
> 31 ???? 2010 ?. 21:04 ???????????? Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru> ???????:
> > 31.07.10, 08:42, "??????? ????????" <notformat at gmail.com>:
> > > ???? + IRC + Wiki. ? ??? ?? ????? ??? ?????? ??????
> > ? ?????? ??? ????? ???? ??????
> > ??????? ? ???? ????? ??? ??? ??? ? ?? ??????? email-???????? ? ?????????/????? ???????????.
> > ???? ? ???, ??? ???? ?????? ???? ?????????? ????????????:
> > 1. ??? ?????????? ?????????? ????????? ? ??? ?????????? ??????? ????????? ?????? email-???????? - ??? ??? ??? ??????????? ????????????? ????? - ????? ??????? ????? ? ??????? ????? ???????? ??????? ??????, ???????? ????????, ????????, ? ??????? ?????? ??????????? ???????? ?????.
> > 2. ??? ??????? ?????-?? ??????????? ???????? ? ????? ??? ???????? ?????????? ???????, ????? IRC/IM/???????????/????? ???????.
> > 3. ? ?????-?? ??????? ??????? ??????, ??????? ???????? ????????????? ????? ????? IRC ? ????????????? ? ??????????.
> > 4. ? ????? ?????? ?????? ??? ??????????, ?????? ???? ?????? ?????-?? ???????, ??? ?????????? ???????, ??? ? ????? ?????? ??????, ?????? ???? ?????????? ??????????????? ?????????? ????????? ??? ????????? ?????????? ???????? ?? ????????? ?????????.
> > ?? ?????? ?????? ? ??? ??? ????? ?????? ?????? ????, ??? ? ???? ???????? ?????????, ? ?? ??????????? ???????? ????????? ? ??????????.
> 
> 
> ??? ????? ?? ????? ??????????????? ??????.
> -- 
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31 ???? 2010 ?. 21:04 ???????????? Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru> ???????:

> 31.07.10, 08:42, "??????? ????????" <notformat at gmail.com>:
> > ???? + IRC + Wiki. ? ??? ?? ????? ??? ?????? ??????
>
> ? ?????? ??? ????? ???? ??????
> ??????? ? ???? ????? ??? ??? ??? ? ?? ??????? email-???????? ?
> ?????????/????? ???????????.
> ???? ? ???, ??? ???? ?????? ???? ?????????? ????????????:
> 1. ??? ?????????? ?????????? ????????? ? ??? ?????????? ??????? ?????????
> ?????? email-???????? - ??? ??? ??? ??????????? ????????????? ????? - ?????
> ??????? ????? ? ??????? ????? ???????? ??????? ??????, ???????? ????????,
> ????????, ? ??????? ?????? ??????????? ???????? ?????.
> 2. ??? ??????? ?????-?? ??????????? ???????? ? ????? ??? ????????
> ?????????? ???????, ????? IRC/IM/???????????/????? ???????.
> 3. ? ?????-?? ??????? ??????? ??????, ??????? ???????? ????????????? ?????
> ????? IRC ? ????????????? ? ??????????.
> 4. ? ????? ?????? ?????? ??? ??????????, ?????? ???? ?????? ?????-??
> ???????, ??? ?????????? ???????, ??? ? ????? ?????? ??????, ?????? ????
> ?????????? ??????????????? ?????????? ????????? ??? ????????? ??????????
> ???????? ?? ????????? ?????????.
> ?? ?????? ?????? ? ??? ??? ????? ?????? ?????? ????, ??? ? ???? ????????
> ?????????, ? ?? ??????????? ???????? ????????? ? ??????????.
>


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From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 21:04:55 +0400
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31.07.10, 08:42, "??????? ????????" <notformat at gmail.com>:
> ???? + IRC + Wiki. ? ??? ?? ????? ??? ?????? ??????

? ?????? ??? ????? ???? ??????
??????? ? ???? ????? ??? ??? ??? ? ?? ??????? email-???????? ? ?????????/????? ???????????.
???? ? ???, ??? ???? ?????? ???? ?????????? ????????????:
1. ??? ?????????? ?????????? ????????? ? ??? ?????????? ??????? ????????? ?????? email-???????? - ??? ??? ??? ??????????? ????????????? ????? - ????? ??????? ????? ? ??????? ????? ???????? ??????? ??????, ???????? ????????, ????????, ? ??????? ?????? ??????????? ???????? ?????.
2. ??? ??????? ?????-?? ??????????? ???????? ? ????? ??? ???????? ?????????? ???????, ????? IRC/IM/???????????/????? ???????.
3. ? ?????-?? ??????? ??????? ??????, ??????? ???????? ????????????? ????? ????? IRC ? ????????????? ? ??????????.
4. ? ????? ?????? ?????? ??? ??????????, ?????? ???? ?????? ?????-?? ???????, ??? ?????????? ???????, ??? ? ????? ?????? ??????, ?????? ???? ?????????? ??????????????? ?????????? ????????? ??? ????????? ?????????? ???????? ?? ????????? ?????????.
?? ?????? ?????? ? ??? ??? ????? ?????? ?????? ????, ??? ? ???? ???????? ?????????, ? ?? ??????????? ???????? ????????? ? ??????????.


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Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 09:19:55 +0300
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? ?????? c Wiki ??????????? Sergeev Serg aka simne - IMHO Wiki ????? ?????  
?????? ? ???????, ???? ???? ??????????? ?????????? "????????????????  
?????????????" - ?? ?????? ???????.


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31 ???? 2010 ?. 1:43 ???????????? Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru> ???????:

> 31.07.10, 00:09, "Alexandr Ciornii" <alexchorny at gmail.com>:
> > ??????
> >
> >  ??? ?????????? ? ???????? ????? ??????????? ????:
> >  http://www.xenoterracide.com/2010/07/page-for-perl-webhosts.html .
> >  ???????????? ???????? - ????? ? ??????? PAUSE, ??? ???????? ?????? -
> >  openid ?????? ??? PAUSE ???? ???-?? ?? GitHub.
>
> ???? ???????????? ??? ???????????? ????????? ?????? ? CPAN ??????
> ??????????.
>
> >  ??? ?????????? ???? ?? ??????? ????????? ? ???????? - IRC ?????? ??
> >  Perl. ?????? Padre IDE ?????????? ??? ?????? ???? ???????? ?????
> >  ?????? ?????????, ????? ???? ????? ???????.
>
> ?????????? ??? ?????? ????-?? ????????? ?? ??? ???? ????, ??? ????????
> ?????????? ? ????.
> ?????? ??? ? ???????? ??? ???? ???? ?????? ????? ????????? ??? ??????? ?
> ?????? ? ????? ??????, ? ? ???? ??? ????? ???? ???-?? ???????????????.
>
> ? ??? ???????? ???????????? ?????????? ????????? ????, ?? ??? ???????????
> ?????? ?? ????? ??????, ????? ??????? ????, ? ?????????? :) ?? ????????,
> ????????-?? mojowka, ??????? ? ???????? ???????? ? ????????????, ?? ???????
> ????? ????? ??????? ????????????? ???????.
>

???? + IRC + Wiki. ? ??? ?? ????? ??? ?????? ??????

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From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 01:43:29 +0400
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31.07.10, 00:09, "Alexandr Ciornii" <alexchorny at gmail.com>:
> ??????
>  
>  ??? ?????????? ? ???????? ????? ??????????? ????:
>  http://www.xenoterracide.com/2010/07/page-for-perl-webhosts.html .
>  ???????????? ???????? - ????? ? ??????? PAUSE, ??? ???????? ?????? -
>  openid ?????? ??? PAUSE ???? ???-?? ?? GitHub.

???? ???????????? ??? ???????????? ????????? ?????? ? CPAN ?????? ??????????.

>  ??? ?????????? ???? ?? ??????? ????????? ? ???????? - IRC ?????? ??
>  Perl. ?????? Padre IDE ?????????? ??? ?????? ???? ???????? ?????
>  ?????? ?????????, ????? ???? ????? ???????.

?????????? ??? ?????? ????-?? ????????? ?? ??? ???? ????, ??? ???????? ?????????? ? ????.
?????? ??? ? ???????? ??? ???? ???? ?????? ????? ????????? ??? ??????? ? ?????? ? ????? ??????, ? ? ???? ??? ????? ???? ???-?? ???????????????.

? ??? ???????? ???????????? ?????????? ????????? ????, ?? ??? ??????????? ?????? ?? ????? ??????, ????? ??????? ????, ? ?????????? :) ?? ????????, ????????-?? mojowka, ??????? ? ???????? ???????? ? ????????????, ?? ??????? ????? ????? ??????? ????????????? ???????.


From alexchorny at gmail.com  Fri Jul 30 13:09:44 2010
From: alexchorny at gmail.com (Alexandr Ciornii)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 23:09:44 +0300
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??????

??? ?????????? ? ???????? ????? ??????????? ????:
http://www.xenoterracide.com/2010/07/page-for-perl-webhosts.html .
???????????? ???????? - ????? ? ??????? PAUSE, ??? ???????? ?????? -
openid ?????? ??? PAUSE ???? ???-?? ?? GitHub.

??????, ??? ??? ??? ?????????? IRC: ?? irc://irc.perl.org ??????????
????? ??????? ?? ??????? - #ru. ??? ??? ??? ?? ??????????, ?? ?????,
??? IRC ????? ???????????? ?????????? Chatzilla ??? Firefox (
http://chatzilla.hacksrus.com/ ), ????????? IRC ???? ? ???????.
????????? ?????????? ????????? ?????? Irssi. ? ???? ???? ????
????????? ???????? ?? Perl :).

??? ?????????? ???? ?? ??????? ????????? ? ???????? - IRC ?????? ??
Perl. ?????? Padre IDE ?????????? ??? ?????? ???? ???????? ?????
?????? ?????????, ????? ???? ????? ???????.

-- 
Alexandr Ciornii, http://chorny.net, Chisinau.pm

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From: jeltoesolnce at aol.com (Vladimir Vasilenko)
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? ? ???: ??? ?????????? ???? ????? ????????? ???, ??? ??????, ??, ????  
"??????" ???? ? ??????????? Perl ? ?????????? Perl, ?? ?????, IMHO,  
?????????? ? ??? ? ??? - ?????????? ????????? ?????????? ?????:
	- ?? ?????? ??, ??? ???????? ???, ?????? ???, ??? ???????? ??? ?  
???????????? ?? "??????????? ?????");
	- ?? ???? ???????????? ???????, ????????? ? ????, ?, ? ?????? ?????????  
?????????????, ????????? ??????????? ??????;
	- ?? ????? ?? ?????? ?????????????? ????? ? ?????????? ?????????????????,  
?????????? ?????????? ? ?????????? ?????????, "???????" ???, ????????????  
???????? (????????, ?????? ????????? ?? ?????? ????? "??? ????") ????  
?????????? ???????.

??? ?????????? Bricolage (http://bricolagecms.org): Perl, (modperl),  
PostgreSQL, ?????????? ???????? BSD. ????????? ?????????????? ??? ???:  
http://bricolage.lighthouseapp.com/projects/29601/tickets/188-bricolage-apache-itk_2215

? ?????????? ?????? ??????????? ????????, ????? ???, ???????:

> - ???? twiki ?????? ???????? ????? ????? ???-?? mojowka ????????? ????  
> ??????? ??????, ?? ? ????? ??? ????? ?????? ? ? ??????? ??????? - ??  
> ???? ??? ??? ??????? ??? ??????????? Perl, ? ????? ???? ?? ?????????  
> ???????, ??????? ????? ??????????????, ????? ? ??????? ??????????????, ?  
> ???????? ??????????.

? ??????? ???????? Perl ? ???????? ??????????? ????? ??????????? ????????  
php ? ???????? ? ??????????????? ????????? ? "???????", ? ????? "????? ?  
??????" ? ?? ????????? ?? ????????? ?? ?????-?? ????? ?????:-).

?.

On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 22:52:55 +0300, Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru> wrote:

> ??????? ?? ??????.
>
> ???-?? ??? ???????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ????????????? ?????? (???  
> ????????? ?????????) ;)
>
> ????? ? ???? ??????????? ?????:
> 1. ?????? ?????? ?????????? ????? ??????????? ??????????????, ?????? ???  
> ?????-???? ????????????? ??????????? ??????? ???, ?????? ?? ???  
> ????????????? ??????????, ????? ?????-?? ????? ????????? ??????????.
> ????????, ? htpasswd ??? ????????? ?????????????? ??????? ??????? ?  
> ????????? ??????, ?? ?????? ??? ? ??????????? ??????? ?????????????? ??  
> ????? ??? ??????????? ???????; ??????????? ????? ??-?? ? ?  
> mod_auth_ldap/mod_auth_mysql..
> ? ???? ???????? ?????????????? ??? ??????? ????????, ?? ????? ????? ????  
> ?????? ?????????? ????????, ????? ???? ? ???? ????????.
> ?????-??, ?????????? ?????????????? ????????? ?????? ?????-?? ?? ??????  
> ??????????? ?????? ?????? - ? ??? ??? ???-?? htpasswd ??????????? ??  
> ????????? ??????? ???????? logout, ?? ?????????? basic authentification  
> ??? ? ?? ???? ???????? ?? ????????? ??????.
> 2. ???? ??????? ???????????? ??? ???????? ?????????? ??????????, ? ?  
> ?????? ??????? ?????? ?? ??? ?????????? ????? ????? - ??????, ???????,  
> ??????????? ???????.
> ??? ????? ???????? ??????? ? ?????????? ?????????? ??????? ????????????  
> ????????? ???? (memcached).
> ??, ??? ????????: ???????? ???? ??? ? ?????? ????????? ??????? ?????-??  
> ????? ?????? ?????????? ????? ????, ?? ?????? ????????? ??????????, ???  
> ???? ????? ???????.
> 3. ????????????? ??????? ?????????? ??? ?????? ????????? ?????? ????  
> ????????, ?? ?? ???????? ???? ?????????? ?????? ????? ?? ????, ? ??????  
> ??????? ????? ??? ????????? ?? ????????? ????? ?????????? ??????????????.
>
> ?? ???? ? ?????, ??? twiki ??? ??? ????? ???, ??? ?????? ?????? ???  
> ????????, ?? ? ?? ????? ????? ???????? ?? ???? ???????, ?? ? ???  
> ????????? ??????? ????? ???????? ???????? ? ??????? ????? ???????????,  
> ?? ????? ????? ???, ????????? ? ????, ?????? ?????? ???? ??? ??????????  
> - ?????? ??? ???????? ?????? ???????????? ???????????, ????? ???  
> ???????? LAMP.
>
> - ???? twiki ?????? ???????? ????? ????? ???-?? mojowka ????????? ????  
> ??????? ??????, ?? ? ????? ??? ????? ?????? ? ? ??????? ??????? - ??  
> ???? ??? ??? ??????? ??? ??????????? Perl, ? ????? ???? ?? ?????????  
> ???????, ??????? ????? ??????????????, ????? ? ??????? ??????????????, ?  
> ???????? ??????????.
>
> ??, ? ?????? ??????????, ? ??????? ? ??????, ?????? ???????? ???  
> ???????, ??? ??? ??? ????????? ????? ???????:
> 1. ?????? ??????????? ????????????? ?????? ?????? ?????????? ???????  
> ???????, ? ?? ??? ??????? ????? ????????? ?????? ???????.
> 2. ??????? ??????????? ??????? ?????? ?????? ???????????? ????????  
> ??????? ?? ??????????? ??????? ??? ?? ?????????? ?/??? ??????-????????,  
> ? ??? ??? ????? ????????????? ?? ?????? ?????.
> 3. ??????? ??????????? (??????????), ?????? ????? ??????? ??????????  
> ???????, ????? ??????? ???-?? ?????? ???? ? ????, ??? ??????????????  
> ?????????? ??? ???? ??????????? ? ?????? ??????. ? ??? ??? ??????? ??  
> ???????? ???????? ???????? ??-?? CMS, ? ???????? "???????? ?  
> ???????????? ?????", ??????? ???????? ? ???? ? ??????????? ? ????????  
> ????? ? ??? ??????, ?????? ?? ????, ??? ????? ???? ????? ?????? ?  
> ????????? ?????-???????????? CMS.
>
> ?? ???? ???? ?? ???? ????????????? twiki ????????????, ???-?? ?????  
> ??????? ?????? ? ???????????? ?????????? Perl, ?? ? ??? ? ??????  
> ????????????? twiki ? ??????-??????.
>
> 28.07.10, 11:35, "Sergii Biloshytskyi" <alariq at gmail.com>:
>> ????????? ???????? ?? ??? ?? ???????: (??. ??????? ????)
>>
>>  2010/7/28 Sergeev Serge :
>>  > ?? ?????-?? ???????? ?????????? ?????????????? twiki?
>>  >
>>  > ? ??????, ??? ?? ??????? ???, ?? ????? ????????????, ??? ??? ??  
>> ???????? ????? ????:
>>  > 1. ? ?? ?????, ??? ??? ???????????? ???????? - ?? ?? ??????? ?, ???  
>> ?????? ????? ???? ????????? ??????? ??? ?????????????.
>>
>>  ?????? ?? ???? ???????, ?? ???????, ?? ?? ?????? ??????????? ???????
>>  ????? ???. ???? Customize Look and Feel ????? ? ??? ? ???? ????????.
>>
>>  > 2. ??? ???, ???????? ? ????????? - ????? ?? ???? ??????????  
>> ??????????? ? ????, ?? ????????? ??????????? ?????-?? ??????????  
>> ???????, ????? ????????? ?????????, ?? ??????? ?????? ?????????? ??????  
>> ???? ?????????????????? ?????????????, ? ????? ??????????? ?????????,  
>> ??? ????? ?????????..
>>
>>  ??? ?????????? ? ??? ??????????? ??????? ??????? ???????? ??????. ???
>>  ???????? ? ??????, ??? ? ?????.
>>  ????????? ??? ? ??????? - ?????? ??????? ????? ??? (?????????). ?
>>  ?????????????? ??????????. ???????????? ?? ???????? ? ???? ??????
>>  ????? ??????, ??? ? ??? ???? ?????? ??????? ?????????????? ? ?????
>>  ??????????? ???????? ???????????? ????????????? ?????? ? ?????
>>  ?????? ?????? ??? ?????? - ???? ??? twiki ???? ? ???? ? MySQL :-)
>>
>>  > ????? ???? ????? ????????????? ??????????? ???????????? ???  
>> ?????????????? htpasswd, mod_auth, mod_auth_mysql..
>>  > ?????? ???????, ??? ????? ????????? ???????????, ? ?????? ???-??  
>> ??????????? mod_auth_ldap ??? ?????? ?? ???????? ???????? ????????? ??  
>> ?????? ?????, ? ??????????, ?? ? ?? ???????????, ??? ? ???? ?? ???????  
>> ??????? ???????? ? ???? ???? ???????????..
>>
>>  ? ???????????, ?????? ??????, ??? ????????, ?????? ?????????
>>  mod_auth_ldap ????? ?? ?????????? ???????????? ??????? ???
>>  ????????????????.
>>
>>  > ??????, ??? ??? ?? ??????? ?????? ??????? ? ???????? ???????, ? ?? ?  
>> ?????????? ???????????, ??? ???? ???? ????????? ?????????? ??????  
>> ????????? ?????????, ??? ????? ???? ??? ??-?? ?????????????? ?????  
>> ldap, ??????? ????????-?? ?????? ???????? ????????, ? ???????? ?????  
>> ???????? ?????? ?? ????????..
>>  >
>>  > ????, ??????????? ? ????? ????????, ? ??? ???????? ????????? ??????  
>> ??????? ?? ?????? ??? ????????? (?????????), ?? ????? ? ??? ??????  
>> ????????? ?????????, ? ????? ? ???? ???????????? ???-?? ?????????  
>> ?????????? ? ??? ????? ? ?????????? (???????)  
>> ??????????????/???????????????/??????????? ???????? (????????, ????????  
>> ?? ????? ?????-???? SOAP ??????? ? ?????? ???????? ?????????, ? ?????  
>> ?????? ??????).
>>  > ? ? ?????? ?????? ?? ???? ?????????? ??? ???? ??? ? ????? ? twiki, ?  
>> ??? Catalyst/Mojo ??? ??? ????? ???????? ? ???? ??????????? ??? ?????  
>> ?????, ? ??????? ??-?? Mojowka ? ??? ???? ??????????? ????? ? ????????  
>> ???????? ??? ????????? ? ????????????? ?????????????.
>>  >
>>
>>  ????? ?????? ??????? ??????. ? ?????? ???????????, ??? ??? ? ?????????
>>  ?? ?????? ????? ????????, ??????? ?????????????? ????? ???????
>>  ?????????????. ???? ???? ?? ???? ???? ?????????? ?????????? ????? -
>>  ??????? ?????? ???? ?????????? ??????.
>>
>>  ? ?? ??? ??? ?? ????? :)
>>
>>  ? ?? ??????: "???? ? ???, ??? UbiSoft ????????? ???????, ? ?? ?????
>>  ????????? ???????:)))"
>>  ??????, ?? ?? ???? :) ? ?? ? ???? ?? ?????????, ????? ??????? ???
>>  ??????? ?????? ??????, ??????? ??? ???????????.
>>
>>
>>
>>  > 27.07.10, 21:33, "Sergii Biloshytskyi" :
>>  >> ???? ??? ???????????? ?????, ????????? ? ???? ?? ??????, ???????. ?
>>  >>  ??? ? ???? ?? ?? ?????? http://alariq.livejournal.com/19080.html
>>  >>
>>  >>  2010/7/27 Sergeev Serge :
>>  >>  > ?? ??????? vti ?????????? mojowka.
>>  >>  > http://github.com/shoorick/mojowka
>>  >>  >
>>  >>  > ?????? ??? ??????????? - ????? ?????? ? ???????.
>>  >>  > ??????????, ?? ???? ???? ? ???? ?? ???? - ?????? sqlite,  
>> Text::Textile.
>>  >>  >
>>  >>  > ?? ???? ??????, ???????, ?????, ????? ????????, ???? ????? ???  
>> ???????? ????????????:
>>  >>  > 1. ???????? ?? sqlite (? ???????? ?? ???? ??????? ????? 11  
>> ????????, ?? ???? ?? ?????????? ?? ???-?? mysql, ?????? ????????? ?????  
>> ????????, ?? ????? ????-?? ??????? ?? ??????? ????????? ?????? ?? DBIC).
>>  >>  > 2. ??? ????????????? ?????????? ???????????? ? ????????? ??????  
>> (??? ??? ???????? ????? ????? ??????? SQL).
>>  >>  >
>>  >>  > ? ????? ??????????:
>>  >>  > 1. ??????? diff ????, ???, ???? ? ????? ???????
>>  >>  > 2. ??????? ??????? (???????????????) ?????????????? ????? -  
>> ?????? ? mojowka ???? ?????, ?? ?????? ?? ????????? ???????.


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From simne at yandex.ru  Wed Jul 28 12:52:55 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
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??????? ?? ??????.

???-?? ??? ???????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ????????????? ?????? (??? ????????? ?????????) ;)

????? ? ???? ??????????? ?????:
1. ?????? ?????? ?????????? ????? ??????????? ??????????????, ?????? ??? ?????-???? ????????????? ??????????? ??????? ???, ?????? ?? ??? ????????????? ??????????, ????? ?????-?? ????? ????????? ??????????.
????????, ? htpasswd ??? ????????? ?????????????? ??????? ??????? ? ????????? ??????, ?? ?????? ??? ? ??????????? ??????? ?????????????? ?? ????? ??? ??????????? ???????; ??????????? ????? ??-?? ? ? mod_auth_ldap/mod_auth_mysql..
? ???? ???????? ?????????????? ??? ??????? ????????, ?? ????? ????? ???? ?????? ?????????? ????????, ????? ???? ? ???? ????????.
?????-??, ?????????? ?????????????? ????????? ?????? ?????-?? ?? ?????? ??????????? ?????? ?????? - ? ??? ??? ???-?? htpasswd ??????????? ?? ????????? ??????? ???????? logout, ?? ?????????? basic authentification ??? ? ?? ???? ???????? ?? ????????? ??????.
2. ???? ??????? ???????????? ??? ???????? ?????????? ??????????, ? ? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?? ??? ?????????? ????? ????? - ??????, ???????, ??????????? ???????.
??? ????? ???????? ??????? ? ?????????? ?????????? ??????? ???????????? ????????? ???? (memcached).
??, ??? ????????: ???????? ???? ??? ? ?????? ????????? ??????? ?????-?? ????? ?????? ?????????? ????? ????, ?? ?????? ????????? ??????????, ??? ???? ????? ???????.
3. ????????????? ??????? ?????????? ??? ?????? ????????? ?????? ???? ????????, ?? ?? ???????? ???? ?????????? ?????? ????? ?? ????, ? ?????? ??????? ????? ??? ????????? ?? ????????? ????? ?????????? ??????????????.

?? ???? ? ?????, ??? twiki ??? ??? ????? ???, ??? ?????? ?????? ??? ????????, ?? ? ?? ????? ????? ???????? ?? ???? ???????, ?? ? ??? ????????? ??????? ????? ???????? ???????? ? ??????? ????? ???????????, ?? ????? ????? ???, ????????? ? ????, ?????? ?????? ???? ??? ?????????? - ?????? ??? ???????? ?????? ???????????? ???????????, ????? ??? ???????? LAMP.

- ???? twiki ?????? ???????? ????? ????? ???-?? mojowka ????????? ???? ??????? ??????, ?? ? ????? ??? ????? ?????? ? ? ??????? ??????? - ?? ???? ??? ??? ??????? ??? ??????????? Perl, ? ????? ???? ?? ????????? ???????, ??????? ????? ??????????????, ????? ? ??????? ??????????????, ? ???????? ??????????.

??, ? ?????? ??????????, ? ??????? ? ??????, ?????? ???????? ??? ???????, ??? ??? ??? ????????? ????? ???????:
1. ?????? ??????????? ????????????? ?????? ?????? ?????????? ??????? ???????, ? ?? ??? ??????? ????? ????????? ?????? ???????.
2. ??????? ??????????? ??????? ?????? ?????? ???????????? ???????? ??????? ?? ??????????? ??????? ??? ?? ?????????? ?/??? ??????-????????, ? ??? ??? ????? ????????????? ?? ?????? ?????.
3. ??????? ??????????? (??????????), ?????? ????? ??????? ?????????? ???????, ????? ??????? ???-?? ?????? ???? ? ????, ??? ?????????????? ?????????? ??? ???? ??????????? ? ?????? ??????. ? ??? ??? ??????? ?? ???????? ???????? ???????? ??-?? CMS, ? ???????? "???????? ? ???????????? ?????", ??????? ???????? ? ???? ? ??????????? ? ???????? ????? ? ??? ??????, ?????? ?? ????, ??? ????? ???? ????? ?????? ? ????????? ?????-???????????? CMS.

?? ???? ???? ?? ???? ????????????? twiki ????????????, ???-?? ????? ??????? ?????? ? ???????????? ?????????? Perl, ?? ? ??? ? ?????? ????????????? twiki ? ??????-??????.

28.07.10, 11:35, "Sergii Biloshytskyi" <alariq at gmail.com>:
> ????????? ???????? ?? ??? ?? ???????: (??. ??????? ????)
>  
>  2010/7/28 Sergeev Serge :
>  > ?? ?????-?? ???????? ?????????? ?????????????? twiki?
>  >
>  > ? ??????, ??? ?? ??????? ???, ?? ????? ????????????, ??? ??? ?? ???????? ????? ????:
>  > 1. ? ?? ?????, ??? ??? ???????????? ???????? - ?? ?? ??????? ?, ??? ?????? ????? ???? ????????? ??????? ??? ?????????????.
>  
>  ?????? ?? ???? ???????, ?? ???????, ?? ?? ?????? ??????????? ???????
>  ????? ???. ???? Customize Look and Feel ????? ? ??? ? ???? ????????.
>  
>  > 2. ??? ???, ???????? ? ????????? - ????? ?? ???? ?????????? ??????????? ? ????, ?? ????????? ??????????? ?????-?? ?????????? ???????, ????? ????????? ?????????, ?? ??????? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ???? ?????????????????? ?????????????, ? ????? ??????????? ?????????, ??? ????? ?????????..
>  
>  ??? ?????????? ? ??? ??????????? ??????? ??????? ???????? ??????. ???
>  ???????? ? ??????, ??? ? ?????.
>  ????????? ??? ? ??????? - ?????? ??????? ????? ??? (?????????). ?
>  ?????????????? ??????????. ???????????? ?? ???????? ? ???? ??????
>  ????? ??????, ??? ? ??? ???? ?????? ??????? ?????????????? ? ?????
>  ??????????? ???????? ???????????? ????????????? ?????? ? ?????
>  ?????? ?????? ??? ?????? - ???? ??? twiki ???? ? ???? ? MySQL :-)
>  
>  > ????? ???? ????? ????????????? ??????????? ???????????? ??? ?????????????? htpasswd, mod_auth, mod_auth_mysql..
>  > ?????? ???????, ??? ????? ????????? ???????????, ? ?????? ???-?? ??????????? mod_auth_ldap ??? ?????? ?? ???????? ???????? ????????? ?? ?????? ?????, ? ??????????, ?? ? ?? ???????????, ??? ? ???? ?? ??????? ??????? ???????? ? ???? ???? ???????????..
>  
>  ? ???????????, ?????? ??????, ??? ????????, ?????? ?????????
>  mod_auth_ldap ????? ?? ?????????? ???????????? ??????? ???
>  ????????????????.
>  
>  > ??????, ??? ??? ?? ??????? ?????? ??????? ? ???????? ???????, ? ?? ? ?????????? ???????????, ??? ???? ???? ????????? ?????????? ?????? ????????? ?????????, ??? ????? ???? ??? ??-?? ?????????????? ????? ldap, ??????? ????????-?? ?????? ???????? ????????, ? ???????? ????? ???????? ?????? ?? ????????..
>  >
>  > ????, ??????????? ? ????? ????????, ? ??? ???????? ????????? ?????? ??????? ?? ?????? ??? ????????? (?????????), ?? ????? ? ??? ?????? ????????? ?????????, ? ????? ? ???? ???????????? ???-?? ????????? ?????????? ? ??? ????? ? ?????????? (???????) ??????????????/???????????????/??????????? ???????? (????????, ???????? ?? ????? ?????-???? SOAP ??????? ? ?????? ???????? ?????????, ? ????? ?????? ??????).
>  > ? ? ?????? ?????? ?? ???? ?????????? ??? ???? ??? ? ????? ? twiki, ? ??? Catalyst/Mojo ??? ??? ????? ???????? ? ???? ??????????? ??? ????? ?????, ? ??????? ??-?? Mojowka ? ??? ???? ??????????? ????? ? ???????? ???????? ??? ????????? ? ????????????? ?????????????.
>  >
>  
>  ????? ?????? ??????? ??????. ? ?????? ???????????, ??? ??? ? ?????????
>  ?? ?????? ????? ????????, ??????? ?????????????? ????? ???????
>  ?????????????. ???? ???? ?? ???? ???? ?????????? ?????????? ????? -
>  ??????? ?????? ???? ?????????? ??????.
>  
>  ? ?? ??? ??? ?? ????? :)
>  
>  ? ?? ??????: "???? ? ???, ??? UbiSoft ????????? ???????, ? ?? ?????
>  ????????? ???????:)))"
>  ??????, ?? ?? ???? :) ? ?? ? ???? ?? ?????????, ????? ??????? ???
>  ??????? ?????? ??????, ??????? ??? ???????????.
>  
>  
>  
>  > 27.07.10, 21:33, "Sergii Biloshytskyi" :
>  >> ???? ??? ???????????? ?????, ????????? ? ???? ?? ??????, ???????. ?
>  >>  ??? ? ???? ?? ?? ?????? http://alariq.livejournal.com/19080.html
>  >>
>  >>  2010/7/27 Sergeev Serge :
>  >>  > ?? ??????? vti ?????????? mojowka.
>  >>  > http://github.com/shoorick/mojowka
>  >>  >
>  >>  > ?????? ??? ??????????? - ????? ?????? ? ???????.
>  >>  > ??????????, ?? ???? ???? ? ???? ?? ???? - ?????? sqlite, Text::Textile.
>  >>  >
>  >>  > ?? ???? ??????, ???????, ?????, ????? ????????, ???? ????? ??? ???????? ????????????:
>  >>  > 1. ???????? ?? sqlite (? ???????? ?? ???? ??????? ????? 11 ????????, ?? ???? ?? ?????????? ?? ???-?? mysql, ?????? ????????? ????? ????????, ?? ????? ????-?? ??????? ?? ??????? ????????? ?????? ?? DBIC).
>  >>  > 2. ??? ????????????? ?????????? ???????????? ? ????????? ?????? (??? ??? ???????? ????? ????? ??????? SQL).
>  >>  >
>  >>  > ? ????? ??????????:
>  >>  > 1. ??????? diff ????, ???, ???? ? ????? ???????
>  >>  > 2. ??????? ??????? (???????????????) ?????????????? ????? - ?????? ? mojowka ???? ?????, ?? ?????? ?? ????????? ???????.


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???? ????? ??????? ?? pgsql ??? ?? oracle ? ?.?. 

 

 

 

?? ??? ?????? ???? ?????????, ???? ????? ?????? ????? ? ????? ??????? ???????, ? ?? ?????? ??? ???????...? 

 

 

 

???? ??????? ??? ??????, ?? ????? ??????, ??????, ??? DBIC... ? ?? ?????????? ??? ??? :) 

?? DBIC ????? ?????? ?????? ???????... ??? CRUD... 

 

 

 

??? DBI: ???? ?????? ? ??????? ????????????? ???????, ????? ????????: 

 

 

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$db->dbh->selectrow_hashref('select * from table limit 1'); 

 

 

?? ??? ???? ???? ??????-?????: 

$db->dbh->selectall_arrayref('select * from table ORDER BY created desc?                          LIMIT ?, ?', { Slice => {} }, @s ); 

 

 

 

???? ????????? ?? ??????? ? ?? ????? ??????? - ????? MySQL/SQLite ? ???????????? DBIC ??? Rose::DBx, etc 

 

 

 

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27.07.2010 20:25, Sergeev Serge ?????:
 > > 27.07.10, 20:28, "vti"<viacheslav.t at gmail.com>:
 > >    
 > >> 27 ???? 2010 ?. 18:15 ???????????? Sergeev Serge  ???????:
 > >>   >  ?? ??????? vti ?????????? mojowka.
 > >>   >  http://github.com/shoorick/mojowka
 > >>   >
 > >>   >  ?????? ??? ??????????? - ????? ?????? ? ???????.
 > >>   >  ??????????, ?? ???? ???? ? ???? ?? ???? - ?????? sqlite, Text::Textile.
 > >>   >
 > >>   >  ?? ???? ??????, ???????, ?????, ????? ????????, ???? ????? ??? ???????? ????????????:
 > >>   >  1. ???????? ?? sqlite (? ???????? ?? ???? ??????? ????? 11 ????????, ?? ???? ?? ?????????? ?? ???-?? mysql, ?????? ????????? ????? ????????, ?? ????? ????-?? ??????? ?? ??????? ????????? ?????? ?? DBIC).
 > >>
 > >>   ????, ??????! ???? ?????? ? ???????, ?????? ??????? ? ???? ?????????.
 > >>      
 > > DBIC ????? ????? ????? ?????????? ?? ????? ????.
 > > - ??? ?????? ??? 11 ????????, ? ????? ????? ?????????????? ????? ? diff - ???????? ?????? ??????.
 > > mysql ?????? ??? ??? ?? ???? ????? ???????? ??? ?????????? (???????????, ????? ?????????????????? mysql, ??? ????? ????? ??? ??????? ????????? ????????? ? ????? ??? ????????????? ???????????, ? ??????? ?????????? ? sqlite ? ??????????? ?? ?????).
 > >
 > > ?????? ?????? ????? ?? ????? ?? ??? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ???????????, ?????? ??? ??? ?????????? ?? ??????? ? ?????? ??????? ???????? ??????? ?????? ???????, ??? ?????? ???????????????? ????????.
 > >
 > > ? ??????, ???? ????????? ??????, ??? ? ???? ???????? ??????? ???????? ?? ???????????, ??? ????? ????????? ???????????? ????? ???????????, ? ???? ??????????? ????????? ??????????? ?????, ?? ???? ???? ? ? ????????? ????????, ????? ???????? ?? ?????? ?????? - ???? ?? ???????, ???????? ? ???????, ? ????? ?? ??????? ? ?????????, ? ??????????????, ?????????? sqlite ???????? ?????????? ? ???????? ??????????????????.
 > >
 > >    
 > >>   >  2. ??? ????????????? ?????????? ???????????? ? ????????? ?????? (??? ??? ???????? ????? ????? ??????? SQL).
 > >>
 > >>   ????? ?????? mysql? ????? ??? ???????? ?????? ??? 5 ????????????? ??????????!
 > >>      
 > > mysql ??????? ??????? ????????????????, ? ??? ????? ??????? ?????? ?????, ? ???? mysql ???? ???-?? ?????????????? ??? ????????????? ????.
 > > ? postgresql ?????? ?????????????? ????? ?????.
 > > ??? ?????????? DBIC ????????? ???????? ?? ????, ??????? ????? ????? ???????? ??? ??????? ?????????? ??????, ? ?? ???? ????????????? ?????????? ?? ?????? ????, ?? ????? ???. ?????? ? ?? ????? ?????, ???????? ?? DBIC ? sqlite, ?? ??????? ????? mysql/postgresql ??????????? ?????????? ??????????.
 > >
 > >    
 > >>   >  ? ????? ??????????:
 > >>   >  1. ??????? diff ????, ???, ???? ? ????? ???????
 > >>   >  2. ??????? ??????? (???????????????) ?????????????? ????? - ?????? ? mojowka ???? ?????, ?? ?????? ?? ????????? ???????.
 > >>   >  ?? ? ??????? ???????-?? ????????? ???????????? ?????????, ?? ?????????? ?????? ?? ?? ????.
 > >>
 > >>   ??? ??? ???????? :)
 > >>      
 > > :)
 > > ?? ??? ????? ?????. ?????? ????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ???? ???-??, ???? ???? ???????? ;)
 > >
 > >    
 > DBIC ???????? ? SQLite. ???? ????? ??????????? ? ????? ??????? 
 > DBIC+SQLite, ?? ????? ????????? ?? ???? ? ?????? DBIC+MySQL
 > 
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27.07.2010 20:25, Sergeev Serge ?????:
> 27.07.10, 20:28, "vti"<viacheslav.t at gmail.com>:
>    
>> 27 ???? 2010 ?. 18:15 ???????????? Sergeev Serge  ???????:
>>   >  ?? ??????? vti ?????????? mojowka.
>>   >  http://github.com/shoorick/mojowka
>>   >
>>   >  ?????? ??? ??????????? - ????? ?????? ? ???????.
>>   >  ??????????, ?? ???? ???? ? ???? ?? ???? - ?????? sqlite, Text::Textile.
>>   >
>>   >  ?? ???? ??????, ???????, ?????, ????? ????????, ???? ????? ??? ???????? ????????????:
>>   >  1. ???????? ?? sqlite (? ???????? ?? ???? ??????? ????? 11 ????????, ?? ???? ?? ?????????? ?? ???-?? mysql, ?????? ????????? ????? ????????, ?? ????? ????-?? ??????? ?? ??????? ????????? ?????? ?? DBIC).
>>
>>   ????, ??????! ???? ?????? ? ???????, ?????? ??????? ? ???? ?????????.
>>      
> DBIC ????? ????? ????? ?????????? ?? ????? ????.
> - ??? ?????? ??? 11 ????????, ? ????? ????? ?????????????? ????? ? diff - ???????? ?????? ??????.
> mysql ?????? ??? ??? ?? ???? ????? ???????? ??? ?????????? (???????????, ????? ?????????????????? mysql, ??? ????? ????? ??? ??????? ????????? ????????? ? ????? ??? ????????????? ???????????, ? ??????? ?????????? ? sqlite ? ??????????? ?? ?????).
>
> ?????? ?????? ????? ?? ????? ?? ??? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ???????????, ?????? ??? ??? ?????????? ?? ??????? ? ?????? ??????? ???????? ??????? ?????? ???????, ??? ?????? ???????????????? ????????.
>
> ? ??????, ???? ????????? ??????, ??? ? ???? ???????? ??????? ???????? ?? ???????????, ??? ????? ????????? ???????????? ????? ???????????, ? ???? ??????????? ????????? ??????????? ?????, ?? ???? ???? ? ? ????????? ????????, ????? ???????? ?? ?????? ?????? - ???? ?? ???????, ???????? ? ???????, ? ????? ?? ??????? ? ?????????, ? ??????????????, ?????????? sqlite ???????? ?????????? ? ???????? ??????????????????.
>
>    
>>   >  2. ??? ????????????? ?????????? ???????????? ? ????????? ?????? (??? ??? ???????? ????? ????? ??????? SQL).
>>
>>   ????? ?????? mysql? ????? ??? ???????? ?????? ??? 5 ????????????? ??????????!
>>      
> mysql ??????? ??????? ????????????????, ? ??? ????? ??????? ?????? ?????, ? ???? mysql ???? ???-?? ?????????????? ??? ????????????? ????.
> ? postgresql ?????? ?????????????? ????? ?????.
> ??? ?????????? DBIC ????????? ???????? ?? ????, ??????? ????? ????? ???????? ??? ??????? ?????????? ??????, ? ?? ???? ????????????? ?????????? ?? ?????? ????, ?? ????? ???. ?????? ? ?? ????? ?????, ???????? ?? DBIC ? sqlite, ?? ??????? ????? mysql/postgresql ??????????? ?????????? ??????????.
>
>    
>>   >  ? ????? ??????????:
>>   >  1. ??????? diff ????, ???, ???? ? ????? ???????
>>   >  2. ??????? ??????? (???????????????) ?????????????? ????? - ?????? ? mojowka ???? ?????, ?? ?????? ?? ????????? ???????.
>>   >  ?? ? ??????? ???????-?? ????????? ???????????? ?????????, ?? ?????????? ?????? ?? ?? ????.
>>
>>   ??? ??? ???????? :)
>>      
> :)
> ?? ??? ????? ?????. ?????? ????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ???? ???-??, ???? ???? ???????? ;)
>
>    
DBIC ???????? ? SQLite. ???? ????? ??????????? ? ????? ??????? 
DBIC+SQLite, ?? ????? ????????? ?? ???? ? ?????? DBIC+MySQL


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> ??????, ?? ?? ???? :) ? ?? ? ???? ?? ?????????, ????? ??????? ???
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2010/7/28 Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru>:
> ?? ?????-?? ???????? ?????????? ?????????????? twiki?
>
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????? ???. ???? Customize Look and Feel ????? ? ??? ? ???? ????????.

> 2. ??? ???, ???????? ? ????????? - ????? ?? ???? ?????????? ??????????? ? ????, ?? ????????? ??????????? ?????-?? ?????????? ???????, ????? ????????? ?????????, ?? ??????? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ???? ?????????????????? ?????????????, ? ????? ??????????? ?????????, ??? ????? ?????????..

??? ?????????? ? ??? ??????????? ??????? ??????? ???????? ??????. ???
???????? ? ??????, ??? ? ?????.
????????? ??? ? ??????? - ?????? ??????? ????? ??? (?????????). ?
?????????????? ??????????. ???????????? ?? ???????? ? ???? ??????
????? ??????, ??? ? ??? ???? ?????? ??????? ?????????????? ? ?????
??????????? ???????? ???????????? ????????????? ?????? ? ?????
?????? ?????? ??? ?????? - ???? ??? twiki ???? ? ???? ? MySQL :-)

> ????? ???? ????? ????????????? ??????????? ???????????? ??? ?????????????? htpasswd, mod_auth, mod_auth_mysql..
> ?????? ???????, ??? ????? ????????? ???????????, ? ?????? ???-?? ??????????? mod_auth_ldap ??? ?????? ?? ???????? ???????? ????????? ?? ?????? ?????, ? ??????????, ?? ? ?? ???????????, ??? ? ???? ?? ??????? ??????? ???????? ? ???? ???? ???????????..

? ???????????, ?????? ??????, ??? ????????, ?????? ?????????
mod_auth_ldap ????? ?? ?????????? ???????????? ??????? ???
????????????????.

> ??????, ??? ??? ?? ??????? ?????? ??????? ? ???????? ???????, ? ?? ? ?????????? ???????????, ??? ???? ???? ????????? ?????????? ?????? ????????? ?????????, ??? ????? ???? ??? ??-?? ?????????????? ????? ldap, ??????? ????????-?? ?????? ???????? ????????, ? ???????? ????? ???????? ?????? ?? ????????..
>
> ????, ??????????? ? ????? ????????, ? ??? ???????? ????????? ?????? ??????? ?? ?????? ??? ????????? (?????????), ?? ????? ? ??? ?????? ????????? ?????????, ? ????? ? ???? ???????????? ???-?? ????????? ?????????? ? ??? ????? ? ?????????? (???????) ??????????????/???????????????/??????????? ???????? (????????, ???????? ?? ????? ?????-???? SOAP ??????? ? ?????? ???????? ?????????, ? ????? ?????? ??????).
> ? ? ?????? ?????? ?? ???? ?????????? ??? ???? ??? ? ????? ? twiki, ? ??? Catalyst/Mojo ??? ??? ????? ???????? ? ???? ??????????? ??? ????? ?????, ? ??????? ??-?? Mojowka ? ??? ???? ??????????? ????? ? ???????? ???????? ??? ????????? ? ????????????? ?????????????.
>

????? ?????? ??????? ??????. ? ?????? ???????????, ??? ??? ? ?????????
?? ?????? ????? ????????, ??????? ?????????????? ????? ???????
?????????????. ???? ???? ?? ???? ???? ?????????? ?????????? ????? -
??????? ?????? ???? ?????????? ??????.

? ?? ??? ??? ?? ????? :)

? ?? ??????: "???? ? ???, ??? UbiSoft ????????? ???????, ? ?? ?????
????????? ???????:)))"
??????, ?? ?? ???? :) ? ?? ? ???? ?? ?????????, ????? ??????? ???
??????? ?????? ??????, ??????? ??? ???????????.



> 27.07.10, 21:33, "Sergii Biloshytskyi" <alariq at gmail.com>:
>> ???? ??? ???????????? ?????, ????????? ? ???? ?? ??????, ???????. ?
>> ???? ? ???? ?? ?? ?????? http://alariq.livejournal.com/19080.html
>>
>> ?2010/7/27 Sergeev Serge :
>> ?> ?? ??????? vti ?????????? mojowka.
>> ?> http://github.com/shoorick/mojowka
>> ?>
>> ?> ?????? ??? ??????????? - ????? ?????? ? ???????.
>> ?> ??????????, ?? ???? ???? ? ???? ?? ???? - ?????? sqlite, Text::Textile.
>> ?>
>> ?> ?? ???? ??????, ???????, ?????, ????? ????????, ???? ????? ??? ???????? ????????????:
>> ?> 1. ???????? ?? sqlite (? ???????? ?? ???? ??????? ????? 11 ????????, ?? ???? ?? ?????????? ?? ???-?? mysql, ?????? ????????? ????? ????????, ?? ????? ????-?? ??????? ?? ??????? ????????? ?????? ?? DBIC).
>> ?> 2. ??? ????????????? ?????????? ???????????? ? ????????? ?????? (??? ??? ???????? ????? ????? ??????? SQL).
>> ?>
>> ?> ? ????? ??????????:
>> ?> 1. ??????? diff ????, ???, ???? ? ????? ???????
>> ?> 2. ??????? ??????? (???????????????) ?????????????? ????? - ?????? ? mojowka ???? ?????, ?? ?????? ?? ????????? ???????.
>



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???? ? ???, ??? UbiSoft ????????? ???????, ? ?? ????? ?????????
???????:)))

? ???, 28/07/2010 ? 03:13 +0400, Sergeev Serge ?????:

> ?? ?????-?? ???????? ?????????? ?????????????? twiki?
> 
> ? ??????, ??? ?? ??????? ???, ?? ????? ????????????, ??? ??? ?? ???????? ????? ????:
> 1. ? ?? ?????, ??? ??? ???????????? ???????? - ?? ?? ??????? ?, ??? ?????? ????? ???? ????????? ??????? ??? ?????????????.
> 2. ??? ???, ???????? ? ????????? - ????? ?? ???? ?????????? ??????????? ? ????, ?? ????????? ??????????? ?????-?? ?????????? ???????, ????? ????????? ?????????, ?? ??????? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ???? ?????????????????? ?????????????, ? ????? ??????????? ?????????, ??? ????? ?????????..
> ????? ???? ????? ????????????? ??????????? ???????????? ??? ?????????????? htpasswd, mod_auth, mod_auth_mysql..
> ?????? ???????, ??? ????? ????????? ???????????, ? ?????? ???-?? ??????????? mod_auth_ldap ??? ?????? ?? ???????? ???????? ????????? ?? ?????? ?????, ? ??????????, ?? ? ?? ???????????, ??? ? ???? ?? ??????? ??????? ???????? ? ???? ???? ???????????..
> ??????, ??? ??? ?? ??????? ?????? ??????? ? ???????? ???????, ? ?? ? ?????????? ???????????, ??? ???? ???? ????????? ?????????? ?????? ????????? ?????????, ??? ????? ???? ??? ??-?? ?????????????? ????? ldap, ??????? ????????-?? ?????? ???????? ????????, ? ???????? ????? ???????? ?????? ?? ????????..
> 
> ????, ??????????? ? ????? ????????, ? ??? ???????? ????????? ?????? ??????? ?? ?????? ??? ????????? (?????????), ?? ????? ? ??? ?????? ????????? ?????????, ? ????? ? ???? ???????????? ???-?? ????????? ?????????? ? ??? ????? ? ?????????? (???????) ??????????????/???????????????/??????????? ???????? (????????, ???????? ?? ????? ?????-???? SOAP ??????? ? ?????? ???????? ?????????, ? ????? ?????? ??????).
> ? ? ?????? ?????? ?? ???? ?????????? ??? ???? ??? ? ????? ? twiki, ? ??? Catalyst/Mojo ??? ??? ????? ???????? ? ???? ??????????? ??? ????? ?????, ? ??????? ??-?? Mojowka ? ??? ???? ??????????? ????? ? ???????? ???????? ??? ????????? ? ????????????? ?????????????.
> 
> 27.07.10, 21:33, "Sergii Biloshytskyi" <alariq at gmail.com>:
> > ???? ??? ???????????? ?????, ????????? ? ???? ?? ??????, ???????. ?
> >  ??? ? ???? ?? ?? ?????? http://alariq.livejournal.com/19080.html
> >  
> >  2010/7/27 Sergeev Serge :
> >  > ?? ??????? vti ?????????? mojowka.
> >  > http://github.com/shoorick/mojowka
> >  >
> >  > ?????? ??? ??????????? - ????? ?????? ? ???????.
> >  > ??????????, ?? ???? ???? ? ???? ?? ???? - ?????? sqlite, Text::Textile.
> >  >
> >  > ?? ???? ??????, ???????, ?????, ????? ????????, ???? ????? ??? ???????? ????????????:
> >  > 1. ???????? ?? sqlite (? ???????? ?? ???? ??????? ????? 11 ????????, ?? ???? ?? ?????????? ?? ???-?? mysql, ?????? ????????? ????? ????????, ?? ????? ????-?? ??????? ?? ??????? ????????? ?????? ?? DBIC).
> >  > 2. ??? ????????????? ?????????? ???????????? ? ????????? ?????? (??? ??? ???????? ????? ????? ??????? SQL).
> >  >
> >  > ? ????? ??????????:
> >  > 1. ??????? diff ????, ???, ???? ? ????? ???????
> >  > 2. ??????? ??????? (???????????????) ?????????????? ????? - ?????? ? mojowka ???? ?????, ?? ?????? ?? ????????? ???????.


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?? ?????-?? ???????? ?????????? ?????????????? twiki?

? ??????, ??? ?? ??????? ???, ?? ????? ????????????, ??? ??? ?? ???????? ????? ????:
1. ? ?? ?????, ??? ??? ???????????? ???????? - ?? ?? ??????? ?, ??? ?????? ????? ???? ????????? ??????? ??? ?????????????.
2. ??? ???, ???????? ? ????????? - ????? ?? ???? ?????????? ??????????? ? ????, ?? ????????? ??????????? ?????-?? ?????????? ???????, ????? ????????? ?????????, ?? ??????? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ???? ?????????????????? ?????????????, ? ????? ??????????? ?????????, ??? ????? ?????????..
????? ???? ????? ????????????? ??????????? ???????????? ??? ?????????????? htpasswd, mod_auth, mod_auth_mysql..
?????? ???????, ??? ????? ????????? ???????????, ? ?????? ???-?? ??????????? mod_auth_ldap ??? ?????? ?? ???????? ???????? ????????? ?? ?????? ?????, ? ??????????, ?? ? ?? ???????????, ??? ? ???? ?? ??????? ??????? ???????? ? ???? ???? ???????????..
??????, ??? ??? ?? ??????? ?????? ??????? ? ???????? ???????, ? ?? ? ?????????? ???????????, ??? ???? ???? ????????? ?????????? ?????? ????????? ?????????, ??? ????? ???? ??? ??-?? ?????????????? ????? ldap, ??????? ????????-?? ?????? ???????? ????????, ? ???????? ????? ???????? ?????? ?? ????????..

????, ??????????? ? ????? ????????, ? ??? ???????? ????????? ?????? ??????? ?? ?????? ??? ????????? (?????????), ?? ????? ? ??? ?????? ????????? ?????????, ? ????? ? ???? ???????????? ???-?? ????????? ?????????? ? ??? ????? ? ?????????? (???????) ??????????????/???????????????/??????????? ???????? (????????, ???????? ?? ????? ?????-???? SOAP ??????? ? ?????? ???????? ?????????, ? ????? ?????? ??????).
? ? ?????? ?????? ?? ???? ?????????? ??? ???? ??? ? ????? ? twiki, ? ??? Catalyst/Mojo ??? ??? ????? ???????? ? ???? ??????????? ??? ????? ?????, ? ??????? ??-?? Mojowka ? ??? ???? ??????????? ????? ? ???????? ???????? ??? ????????? ? ????????????? ?????????????.

27.07.10, 21:33, "Sergii Biloshytskyi" <alariq at gmail.com>:
> ???? ??? ???????????? ?????, ????????? ? ???? ?? ??????, ???????. ?
>  ??? ? ???? ?? ?? ?????? http://alariq.livejournal.com/19080.html
>  
>  2010/7/27 Sergeev Serge :
>  > ?? ??????? vti ?????????? mojowka.
>  > http://github.com/shoorick/mojowka
>  >
>  > ?????? ??? ??????????? - ????? ?????? ? ???????.
>  > ??????????, ?? ???? ???? ? ???? ?? ???? - ?????? sqlite, Text::Textile.
>  >
>  > ?? ???? ??????, ???????, ?????, ????? ????????, ???? ????? ??? ???????? ????????????:
>  > 1. ???????? ?? sqlite (? ???????? ?? ???? ??????? ????? 11 ????????, ?? ???? ?? ?????????? ?? ???-?? mysql, ?????? ????????? ????? ????????, ?? ????? ????-?? ??????? ?? ??????? ????????? ?????? ?? DBIC).
>  > 2. ??? ????????????? ?????????? ???????????? ? ????????? ?????? (??? ??? ???????? ????? ????? ??????? SQL).
>  >
>  > ? ????? ??????????:
>  > 1. ??????? diff ????, ???, ???? ? ????? ???????
>  > 2. ??????? ??????? (???????????????) ?????????????? ????? - ?????? ? mojowka ???? ?????, ?? ?????? ?? ????????? ???????.


From alariq at gmail.com  Tue Jul 27 10:33:30 2010
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???? ??? ???????????? ?????, ????????? ? ???? ?? ??????, ???????. ?
??? ? ???? ?? ?? ?????? http://alariq.livejournal.com/19080.html

2010/7/27 Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru>:
> ?? ??????? vti ?????????? mojowka.
> http://github.com/shoorick/mojowka
>
> ?????? ??? ??????????? - ????? ?????? ? ???????.
> ??????????, ?? ???? ???? ? ???? ?? ???? - ?????? sqlite, Text::Textile.
>
> ?? ???? ??????, ???????, ?????, ????? ????????, ???? ????? ??? ???????? ????????????:
> 1. ???????? ?? sqlite (? ???????? ?? ???? ??????? ????? 11 ????????, ?? ???? ?? ?????????? ?? ???-?? mysql, ?????? ????????? ????? ????????, ?? ????? ????-?? ??????? ?? ??????? ????????? ?????? ?? DBIC).
> 2. ??? ????????????? ?????????? ???????????? ? ????????? ?????? (??? ??? ???????? ????? ????? ??????? SQL).
>
> ? ????? ??????????:
> 1. ??????? diff ????, ???, ???? ? ????? ???????
> 2. ??????? ??????? (???????????????) ?????????????? ????? - ?????? ? mojowka ???? ?????, ?? ?????? ?? ????????? ???????.
> ?? ? ??????? ???????-?? ????????? ???????????? ?????????, ?? ?????????? ?????? ?? ?? ????.
>
> 26.07.10, 19:58, "Serg V. Gulko" <s.gulko at gmail.com>:
>> ??? ????????
>>
>> ? ???, 26/07/2010 ? 19:49 +0400, Sergeev Serge ?????:
>> > ???????? ????. ??? ? ???? ? ?? ??????, ?? ???????? ????-?? ???-?? ???????????? ???????????? ?????????? ? ???? ? ??? ??? ????? ????????? ? ????????.
> 26.07.10, 11:15, "s.gulko at gmail.com" <s.gulko at gmail.com>:
>> ???????!> > ????? ??????, ??? ??????? ????? ?????????? ???? ???????? ? ? ?????????
>> ???????? ???? ?? ??? ? ???? ?? ???????????? ? ?????????????? ????????
>



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From simne at yandex.ru  Tue Jul 27 10:25:32 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 21:25:32 +0400
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27.07.10, 20:28, "vti" <viacheslav.t at gmail.com>:
> 27 ???? 2010 ?. 18:15 ???????????? Sergeev Serge  ???????:
>  > ?? ??????? vti ?????????? mojowka.
>  > http://github.com/shoorick/mojowka
>  >
>  > ?????? ??? ??????????? - ????? ?????? ? ???????.
>  > ??????????, ?? ???? ???? ? ???? ?? ???? - ?????? sqlite, Text::Textile.
>  >
>  > ?? ???? ??????, ???????, ?????, ????? ????????, ???? ????? ??? ???????? ????????????:
>  > 1. ???????? ?? sqlite (? ???????? ?? ???? ??????? ????? 11 ????????, ?? ???? ?? ?????????? ?? ???-?? mysql, ?????? ????????? ????? ????????, ?? ????? ????-?? ??????? ?? ??????? ????????? ?????? ?? DBIC).
>  
>  ????, ??????! ???? ?????? ? ???????, ?????? ??????? ? ???? ?????????.

DBIC ????? ????? ????? ?????????? ?? ????? ????.
- ??? ?????? ??? 11 ????????, ? ????? ????? ?????????????? ????? ? diff - ???????? ?????? ??????.
mysql ?????? ??? ??? ?? ???? ????? ???????? ??? ?????????? (???????????, ????? ?????????????????? mysql, ??? ????? ????? ??? ??????? ????????? ????????? ? ????? ??? ????????????? ???????????, ? ??????? ?????????? ? sqlite ? ??????????? ?? ?????).

?????? ?????? ????? ?? ????? ?? ??? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ???????????, ?????? ??? ??? ?????????? ?? ??????? ? ?????? ??????? ???????? ??????? ?????? ???????, ??? ?????? ???????????????? ????????.

? ??????, ???? ????????? ??????, ??? ? ???? ???????? ??????? ???????? ?? ???????????, ??? ????? ????????? ???????????? ????? ???????????, ? ???? ??????????? ????????? ??????????? ?????, ?? ???? ???? ? ? ????????? ????????, ????? ???????? ?? ?????? ?????? - ???? ?? ???????, ???????? ? ???????, ? ????? ?? ??????? ? ?????????, ? ??????????????, ?????????? sqlite ???????? ?????????? ? ???????? ??????????????????.

>  > 2. ??? ????????????? ?????????? ???????????? ? ????????? ?????? (??? ??? ???????? ????? ????? ??????? SQL).
>  
>  ????? ?????? mysql? ????? ??? ???????? ?????? ??? 5 ????????????? ??????????!

mysql ??????? ??????? ????????????????, ? ??? ????? ??????? ?????? ?????, ? ???? mysql ???? ???-?? ?????????????? ??? ????????????? ????.
? postgresql ?????? ?????????????? ????? ?????.
??? ?????????? DBIC ????????? ???????? ?? ????, ??????? ????? ????? ???????? ??? ??????? ?????????? ??????, ? ?? ???? ????????????? ?????????? ?? ?????? ????, ?? ????? ???. ?????? ? ?? ????? ?????, ???????? ?? DBIC ? sqlite, ?? ??????? ????? mysql/postgresql ??????????? ?????????? ??????????.

>  > ? ????? ??????????:
>  > 1. ??????? diff ????, ???, ???? ? ????? ???????
>  > 2. ??????? ??????? (???????????????) ?????????????? ????? - ?????? ? mojowka ???? ?????, ?? ?????? ?? ????????? ???????.
>  > ?? ? ??????? ???????-?? ????????? ???????????? ?????????, ?? ?????????? ?????? ?? ?? ????.
>  
>  ??? ??? ???????? :)

:)
?? ??? ????? ?????. ?????? ????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ???? ???-??, ???? ???? ???????? ;)


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27 ???? 2010 ?. 18:15 ???????????? Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru> ???????:
> ?? ??????? vti ?????????? mojowka.
> http://github.com/shoorick/mojowka
>
> ?????? ??? ??????????? - ????? ?????? ? ???????.
> ??????????, ?? ???? ???? ? ???? ?? ???? - ?????? sqlite, Text::Textile.
>
> ?? ???? ??????, ???????, ?????, ????? ????????, ???? ????? ??? ???????? ????????????:
> 1. ???????? ?? sqlite (? ???????? ?? ???? ??????? ????? 11 ????????, ?? ???? ?? ?????????? ?? ???-?? mysql, ?????? ????????? ????? ????????, ?? ????? ????-?? ??????? ?? ??????? ????????? ?????? ?? DBIC).

????, ??????! ???? ?????? ? ???????, ?????? ??????? ? ???? ?????????.

> 2. ??? ????????????? ?????????? ???????????? ? ????????? ?????? (??? ??? ???????? ????? ????? ??????? SQL).

????? ?????? mysql? ????? ??? ???????? ?????? ??? 5 ????????????? ??????????!

> ? ????? ??????????:
> 1. ??????? diff ????, ???, ???? ? ????? ???????
> 2. ??????? ??????? (???????????????) ?????????????? ????? - ?????? ? mojowka ???? ?????, ?? ?????? ?? ????????? ???????.
> ?? ? ??????? ???????-?? ????????? ???????????? ?????????, ?? ?????????? ?????? ?? ?? ????.

??? ??? ???????? :)

From simne at yandex.ru  Tue Jul 27 08:15:39 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 19:15:39 +0400
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?? ??????? vti ?????????? mojowka.
http://github.com/shoorick/mojowka

?????? ??? ??????????? - ????? ?????? ? ???????.
??????????, ?? ???? ???? ? ???? ?? ???? - ?????? sqlite, Text::Textile.

?? ???? ??????, ???????, ?????, ????? ????????, ???? ????? ??? ???????? ????????????:
1. ???????? ?? sqlite (? ???????? ?? ???? ??????? ????? 11 ????????, ?? ???? ?? ?????????? ?? ???-?? mysql, ?????? ????????? ????? ????????, ?? ????? ????-?? ??????? ?? ??????? ????????? ?????? ?? DBIC).
2. ??? ????????????? ?????????? ???????????? ? ????????? ?????? (??? ??? ???????? ????? ????? ??????? SQL).

? ????? ??????????:
1. ??????? diff ????, ???, ???? ? ????? ???????
2. ??????? ??????? (???????????????) ?????????????? ????? - ?????? ? mojowka ???? ?????, ?? ?????? ?? ????????? ???????.
?? ? ??????? ???????-?? ????????? ???????????? ?????????, ?? ?????????? ?????? ?? ?? ????.

26.07.10, 19:58, "Serg V. Gulko" <s.gulko at gmail.com>:
> ??? ????????
> 
> ? ???, 26/07/2010 ? 19:49 +0400, Sergeev Serge ?????:
> > ???????? ????. ??? ? ???? ? ?? ??????, ?? ???????? ????-?? ???-?? ???????????? ???????????? ?????????? ? ???? ? ??? ??? ????? ????????? ? ????????.
26.07.10, 11:15, "s.gulko at gmail.com" <s.gulko at gmail.com>:
> ???????!> > ????? ??????, ??? ??????? ????? ?????????? ???? ???????? ? ? ?????????
> ???????? ???? ?? ??? ? ???? ?? ???????????? ? ?????????????? ????????


From simne at yandex.ru  Mon Jul 26 14:30:44 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
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???????, ??????.
???? ???? ?????? ???? ??????????: ??? ??? ???????? ?? sqlite. ? ????????? ???? ???????? ???????????! :)

26.07.10, 21:38, "vti" <viacheslav.t at gmail.com>:
> Mojowka
>  
>  http://github.com/shoorick/mojowka
>  
>  
>  26 ???? 2010 ?. 20:17 ???????????? Sergeev Serge  ???????:
>  > ? ?? ??? ?????? ??? ?????? (trac) ????? ????????
>  >
>  > ??? ????? ??????? ????????? ??????? ?? ???? Drupal (???????? ??????????? ??? ???????, ??????? ?????? ? ???? ?????????/????????, ? ?????? ?????? ????? ????? ??? ???????? ????? ???????? ?? ?????????).
>  >
>  > ???? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?????? ????.. ????? ??????????? ??? ? ??? ? ????? ???????? :)))
>  >
>  > ??, ???????! ????? ?????? ??-???????? ?????? ???? ?? mojolicious?
>  >
>  > 26.07.10, 19:58, "Serg V. Gulko" :
>  >> ??? ????????
>  >>
>  >> ? ???, 26/07/2010 ? 19:49 +0400, Sergeev Serge ?????:
>  >> > ???????? ????. ??? ? ???? ? ?? ??????, ?? ???????? ????-?? ???-?? ???????????? ???????????? ?????????? ? ???? ? ??? ??? ????? ????????? ? ????????.
>  > 26.07.10, 11:15, "s.gulko at gmail.com" :
>  >> ???????!> > ????? ??????, ??? ??????? ????? ?????????? ???? ???????? ? ? ?????????> ???????? ???? ?? ??? ? ???? ?? ???????????? ? ?????????????? ????????>
>  >>
>  >
>  
>  


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Mojowka

http://github.com/shoorick/mojowka


26 ???? 2010 ?. 20:17 ???????????? Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru> ???????:
> ? ?? ??? ?????? ??? ?????? (trac) ????? ????????
>
> ??? ????? ??????? ????????? ??????? ?? ???? Drupal (???????? ??????????? ??? ???????, ??????? ?????? ? ???? ?????????/????????, ? ?????? ?????? ????? ????? ??? ???????? ????? ???????? ?? ?????????).
>
> ???? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?????? ????.. ????? ??????????? ??? ? ??? ? ????? ???????? :)))
>
> ??, ???????! ????? ?????? ??-???????? ?????? ???? ?? mojolicious?
>
> 26.07.10, 19:58, "Serg V. Gulko" <s.gulko at gmail.com>:
>> ??? ????????
>>
>> ? ???, 26/07/2010 ? 19:49 +0400, Sergeev Serge ?????:
>> > ???????? ????. ??? ? ???? ? ?? ??????, ?? ???????? ????-?? ???-?? ???????????? ???????????? ?????????? ? ???? ? ??? ??? ????? ????????? ? ????????.
> 26.07.10, 11:15, "s.gulko at gmail.com" <s.gulko at gmail.com>:
>> ???????!> > ????? ??????, ??? ??????? ????? ?????????? ???? ???????? ? ? ?????????> ???????? ???? ?? ??? ? ???? ?? ???????????? ? ?????????????? ????????>
>>
>

From simne at yandex.ru  Mon Jul 26 10:17:46 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
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? ?? ??? ?????? ??? ?????? (trac) ????? ????????

??? ????? ??????? ????????? ??????? ?? ???? Drupal (???????? ??????????? ??? ???????, ??????? ?????? ? ???? ?????????/????????, ? ?????? ?????? ????? ????? ??? ???????? ????? ???????? ?? ?????????).

???? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?????? ????.. ????? ??????????? ??? ? ??? ? ????? ???????? :)))

??, ???????! ????? ?????? ??-???????? ?????? ???? ?? mojolicious?

26.07.10, 19:58, "Serg V. Gulko" <s.gulko at gmail.com>:
> ??? ????????
> 
> ? ???, 26/07/2010 ? 19:49 +0400, Sergeev Serge ?????:
> > ???????? ????. ??? ? ???? ? ?? ??????, ?? ???????? ????-?? ???-?? ???????????? ???????????? ?????????? ? ???? ? ??? ??? ????? ????????? ? ????????.
26.07.10, 11:15, "s.gulko at gmail.com" <s.gulko at gmail.com>:
> ???????!> > ????? ??????, ??? ??????? ????? ?????????? ???? ???????? ? ? ?????????> ???????? ???? ?? ??? ? ???? ?? ???????????? ? ?????????????? ????????> 
> 


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??? ????????

? ???, 26/07/2010 ? 19:49 +0400, Sergeev Serge ?????:

> ???????? ????. ??? ? ???? ? ?? ??????, ?? ???????? ????-?? ???-?? ???????????? ???????????? ?????????? ? ???? ? ??? ??? ????? ????????? ? ????????.
> 
> 26.07.10, 11:15, "s.gulko at gmail.com" <s.gulko at gmail.com>:
> > ???????!
> >  
> >  ????? ??????, ??? ??????? ????? ?????????? ???? ???????? ? ? ?????????
> >  ???????? ???? ?? ??? ? ???? ?? ???????????? ? ?????????????? ????????
> >  


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From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
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26.07.10, 11:15, "s.gulko at gmail.com" <s.gulko at gmail.com>:
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From simne at yandex.ru  Mon Jul 26 08:46:02 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:46:02 +0400
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26.07.10, 18:15, "Vladimir Vasilenko" <jeltoesolnce at aol.com>:

> ? - ?? Bricolage.
>  
>  
>  ?.
>  
>  On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:09:31 +0300, Sergeev Serge  wrote:
>  
>  > 26.07.10, 16:57, "Vladimir Vasilenko" :
>  >> ????? ????????? - ??? ?? ????:)
>  >
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>  >
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>  >>
>  >>  On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:43:11 +0300, Sergeev Serge  wrote:
>  >>
>  >>  > ??????? ???? - PHP ??? ????????? ????????? Android (?? ?? ???????  
>  >> ?????
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>  >>  >  
>  >> _http://www.phpclasses.org/blog/post/125-Developing-PHP-applications-to-run-natively-on-Android-phones.html
>  >>  >
>  >>  > 26.07.10, 14:01, "Vladimir Vasilenko" :
>  >>  >> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 10:15:40 +0300, s.gulko at gmail.com
>  >>  >>  wrote:
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>  >>  > ?????????.


From jeltoesolnce at aol.com  Mon Jul 26 07:15:24 2010
From: jeltoesolnce at aol.com (Vladimir Vasilenko)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:15:24 +0300
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? - ?? Bricolage.


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On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:09:31 +0300, Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru> wrote:

> 26.07.10, 16:57, "Vladimir Vasilenko" <jeltoesolnce at aol.com>:
>> ????? ????????? - ??? ?? ????:)
>
> ??? ???????, ? ??????? Perl ?????????? ????? ??? PHP. ?? ???? ???? ?? ?  
> ????, ? ? ??? ??? Android ? ?????? ????????? ?????????? ?????? ?? ??????  
> ?????, ? ?????-?? ???????? ? ?????????? Perl ????? ????? ????????  
> ?????????? ? ????, ?? ??????? ????? ????? - ?????? ?? ???????? ;)
>
>> ???, ??? ????? ????????? Kiev-Perl-Group?
>
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>
>>  ?.
>>
>>  P.S. ????????? ?????? ? ??????.
>>
>>  On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:43:11 +0300, Sergeev Serge  wrote:
>>
>>  > ??????? ???? - PHP ??? ????????? ????????? Android (?? ?? ???????  
>> ?????
>>  > ? ??????? ?????????? ?????????? ? ???? :))) ):
>>  >  
>> _http://www.phpclasses.org/blog/post/125-Developing-PHP-applications-to-run-natively-on-Android-phones.html
>>  >
>>  > 26.07.10, 14:01, "Vladimir Vasilenko" :
>>  >> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 10:15:40 +0300, s.gulko at gmail.com
>>  >>  wrote:
>>  >>
>>  >>  ? ???? ?????????? ???????? ? ???????????????? ??????? ???????:  
>> ???????
>>  >>  ????.
>>  >>
>>  >>  ?????, IMHO, ????? ????? ?????????? ?????, ????????, Bricolage
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From simne at yandex.ru  Mon Jul 26 07:09:31 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 18:09:31 +0400
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26.07.10, 16:57, "Vladimir Vasilenko" <jeltoesolnce at aol.com>:
> ????? ????????? - ??? ?? ????:)

??? ???????, ? ??????? Perl ?????????? ????? ??? PHP. ?? ???? ???? ?? ? ????, ? ? ??? ??? Android ? ?????? ????????? ?????????? ?????? ?? ?????? ?????, ? ?????-?? ???????? ? ?????????? Perl ????? ????? ???????? ?????????? ? ????, ?? ??????? ????? ????? - ?????? ?? ???????? ;)

> ???, ??? ????? ????????? Kiev-Perl-Group?

???? ?? ?????????????? ???????? ?? ????, ?? ???-??, ?????, ? ????? ???????? ?????? ???????????, ??? ??? ??? ?????? ???????? ??????????? ????????????? ??? ? ?????????????? ?????????? ? CMS.
??????? ? ???? ??????? ??????????? ?????? - ??????????? ??? ????????? ??????????? ? ?????????? ?? ??????? ?? ???????? ? ?? ?????????? ? ?????? ????? ??????, ???? ??????? ?????????? ????????? ?????????.

?????? ??????, ?????, ????? ??????? ???? ? ??? ??????? ????-?? ???????? ??????????, ??? ? ??? ????.

>  ?.
>  
>  P.S. ????????? ?????? ? ??????.
>  
>  On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:43:11 +0300, Sergeev Serge  wrote:
>  
>  > ??????? ???? - PHP ??? ????????? ????????? Android (?? ?? ??????? ?????  
>  > ? ??????? ?????????? ?????????? ? ???? :))) ):
>  > _http://www.phpclasses.org/blog/post/125-Developing-PHP-applications-to-run-natively-on-Android-phones.html
>  >
>  > 26.07.10, 14:01, "Vladimir Vasilenko" :
>  >> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 10:15:40 +0300, s.gulko at gmail.com
>  >>  wrote:
>  >>
>  >>  ? ???? ?????????? ???????? ? ???????????????? ??????? ???????: ???????
>  >>  ????.
>  >>
>  >>  ?????, IMHO, ????? ????? ?????????? ?????, ????????, Bricolage
>  >>  (http://bricolagecms.org), ? ??????? ???, ? ??????????, ???????
>  >>  ?????????????? Bricolage, ???????.
>  >>
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>  
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From jeltoesolnce at aol.com  Mon Jul 26 05:57:29 2010
From: jeltoesolnce at aol.com (Vladimir Vasilenko)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:57:29 +0300
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????? ????????? - ??? ?? ????:) ???, ??? ????? ????????? Kiev-Perl-Group?


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P.S. ????????? ?????? ? ??????.

On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:43:11 +0300, Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru> wrote:

> ??????? ???? - PHP ??? ????????? ????????? Android (?? ?? ??????? ?????  
> ? ??????? ?????????? ?????????? ? ???? :))) ):
> _http://www.phpclasses.org/blog/post/125-Developing-PHP-applications-to-run-natively-on-Android-phones.html
>
> 26.07.10, 14:01, "Vladimir Vasilenko" <jeltoesolnce at aol.com>:
>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 10:15:40 +0300, s.gulko at gmail.com
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  ? ???? ?????????? ???????? ? ???????????????? ??????? ???????: ???????
>>  ????.
>>
>>  ?????, IMHO, ????? ????? ?????????? ?????, ????????, Bricolage
>>  (http://bricolagecms.org), ? ??????? ???, ? ??????????, ???????
>>  ?????????????? Bricolage, ???????.
>>
>>
>>  ?.
>>
>>  > ???????!
>>  >
>>  > ????? ??????, ??? ??????? ????? ?????????? ???? ???????? ? ?  
>> ?????????
>>  > ???????? ???? ?? ??? ? ???? ?? ???????????? ? ?????????????? ????????
>>  >
>
> ? ????? ????? ???? ???? ????????, ?? ????? ?????? ????? ?? ?????????? -  
> ??? ?????? ???????? ??????, ??????? ??????? ??????????? 100% ????????, ?  
> ????? ????? ????? ???? ???????????? ? ????????? ????????? ????????????..
> ??? ???? ????? ?????? ?? ????????? ???? ???????..
>
> ? ??? ????? ????????? ???????????? ?????? ????? ? ???? ???????? ????? ??  
> ??????, ?? ?????? ? ??? ??????????? ?????? ? ????????? ???? ???? - ??? ?  
> ??? ???????, ? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ????????? ??  
> ?????????? ???????? ????????.
> ??????? ??????? ????? ?????????, ?? ??? ??? ??? ? ???? ?? ??? ?? ???  
> ????? - ????????????? Perl ?????? ? ???????? _???????_???????_ ?  
> ?????????.


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From simne at yandex.ru  Mon Jul 26 05:43:11 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 16:43:11 +0400
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?UmU6IFJlOiDw0s/Fy9QgIlBlcmwgQ2VydGlmaWVkIEhvc3Rpbmci?=
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??????? ???? - PHP ??? ????????? ????????? Android (?? ?? ??????? ????? ? ??????? ?????????? ?????????? ? ???? :))) ):
_http://www.phpclasses.org/blog/post/125-Developing-PHP-applications-to-run-natively-on-Android-phones.html

26.07.10, 14:01, "Vladimir Vasilenko" <jeltoesolnce at aol.com>:
> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 10:15:40 +0300, s.gulko at gmail.com   
>  wrote:
>  
>  ? ???? ?????????? ???????? ? ???????????????? ??????? ???????: ???????  
>  ????.
>  
>  ?????, IMHO, ????? ????? ?????????? ?????, ????????, Bricolage  
>  (http://bricolagecms.org), ? ??????? ???, ? ??????????, ???????  
>  ?????????????? Bricolage, ???????.
>  
>  
>  ?.
>  
>  > ???????!
>  >
>  > ????? ??????, ??? ??????? ????? ?????????? ???? ???????? ? ? ?????????
>  > ???????? ???? ?? ??? ? ???? ?? ???????????? ? ?????????????? ????????
>  >

? ????? ????? ???? ???? ????????, ?? ????? ?????? ????? ?? ?????????? - ??? ?????? ???????? ??????, ??????? ??????? ??????????? 100% ????????, ? ????? ????? ????? ???? ???????????? ? ????????? ????????? ????????????..
??? ???? ????? ?????? ?? ????????? ???? ???????..

? ??? ????? ????????? ???????????? ?????? ????? ? ???? ???????? ????? ?? ??????, ?? ?????? ? ??? ??????????? ?????? ? ????????? ???? ???? - ??? ? ??? ???????, ? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ????????? ?? ?????????? ???????? ????????.
??????? ??????? ????? ?????????, ?? ??? ??? ??? ? ???? ?? ??? ?? ??? ????? - ????????????? Perl ?????? ? ???????? _???????_???????_ ? ?????????.


From jeltoesolnce at aol.com  Mon Jul 26 03:01:17 2010
From: jeltoesolnce at aol.com (Vladimir Vasilenko)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 13:01:17 +0300
Subject: =?utf-8?B?0J/RgNC+0LXQutGCICJQZXJsIENlcnRpZmllZCBIb3N0aW5nIg==?=
In-Reply-To: <d21000e2-a74c-43f2-9263-e7c2e8571902@x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>
References: <e6d54a86-470a-4c08-9663-1a22277c3609@e5g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>
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 <AANLkTikguzVg0B1FK0i-C7bGPr1pDs5yXI-QdkAV_gVf@mail.gmail.com>
 <op.vf4qj1llt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork> <1279610309.12524.14.camel@localhost>
 <op.vf4tyjdbt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork> <1279613491.12524.19.camel@localhost>
 <op.vf4u6mtgt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>
 <AANLkTimLHXrwAa4XqzdLBmlRzQ7GkZd4nE6lt_M8RyN6@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <op.vgf3gba7t0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>

On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 10:15:40 +0300, s.gulko at gmail.com <s.gulko at gmail.com>  
wrote:

? ???? ?????????? ???????? ? ???????????????? ??????? ???????: ???????  
????.

?????, IMHO, ????? ????? ?????????? ?????, ????????, Bricolage  
(http://bricolagecms.org), ? ??????? ???, ? ??????????, ???????  
?????????????? Bricolage, ???????.


?.

> ???????!
>
> ????? ??????, ??? ??????? ????? ?????????? ???? ???????? ? ? ?????????
> ???????? ???? ?? ??? ? ???? ?? ???????????? ? ?????????????? ????????
>
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From s.gulko at gmail.com  Mon Jul 26 00:15:40 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (s.gulko at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 00:15:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPDSz8XL1CAiUGVybCBDZXJ0aWZpZWQgSG9zdGluZyI=?=
In-Reply-To: <628411279730421@web103.yandex.ru>
References: <e6d54a86-470a-4c08-9663-1a22277c3609@e5g2000yqn.googlegroups.com> 
	<a77542a2-2287-4d2e-91be-7cce37fa5f8a@q22g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> 
	<AANLkTikguzVg0B1FK0i-C7bGPr1pDs5yXI-QdkAV_gVf@mail.gmail.com> 
	<op.vf4qj1llt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork> <1279610309.12524.14.camel@localhost> 
	<op.vf4tyjdbt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork> <1279613491.12524.19.camel@localhost> 
	<op.vf4u6mtgt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork> <AANLkTimLHXrwAa4XqzdLBmlRzQ7GkZd4nE6lt_M8RyN6@mail.gmail.com> 
	<32c879c8-160f-41d5-a75e-f0f3fd17161a@u26g2000yqu.googlegroups.com> 
	<op.vf44umxgt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork> <5d802c6b-f5f5-47c5-a92b-dc5550d1f58c@u26g2000yqu.googlegroups.com> 
	<AANLkTilU9R2A9EK2qLLvhPxuyjp3zFaHyBljffdO1HK1@mail.gmail.com> 
	<op.vf6jq3tot0v7kw@gray.homenetwork> <628411279730421@web103.yandex.ru>
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???????!

????? ??????, ??? ??????? ????? ?????????? ???? ???????? ? ? ?????????
???????? ???? ?? ??? ? ???? ?? ???????????? ? ?????????????? ????????

On 21 ???, 19:40, Sergeev Serge <si... at yandex.ru> wrote:
> - PCH Perl.
> , - - , , Perl .
>
> 21.07.10, 10:17, "Vladimir Vasilenko" <jeltoesol... at aol.com>:
>
>
>
> > On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 01:38:03 +0300, ?
> > ? wrote:
>
> > ? , - ).
>
> > ?> ---
> > ?> Perl vs " " , ,
> > ?> , " ? " vs " ".
> > ?> ---
> > ?> . / - ,
> > ?> " ? .
> > ? :
> > ?Perl vs " " " ? " vs " " ?
> > ? , , Perl " ? ", ?
> > ?" " " " :-).
>
> > ? Perl , . ?
> > ? - " ", ?
> > ? , cgi, mod_perl, ? ?
> > ? - ? ? ? VDS- . IMHO ?
> > ? CPAN , " ").
>
> > ? , , , VDS- ?
> > ? - " " ?
> > ? . , .
>
> > ? .

From viacheslav.t at gmail.com  Thu Jul 22 01:41:39 2010
From: viacheslav.t at gmail.com (vti)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 11:41:39 +0300
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPDSz8XL1CAiUGVybCBDZXJ0aWZpZWQgSG9zdGluZyI=?=
In-Reply-To: <op.vf8kaaaat0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>
References: <121851279720980@web152.yandex.ru>
	<E1ObZwx-0004m5-2k@ffe9.ukr.net>
	<566781279734809@web58.yandex.ru>
	<AANLkTimp9FLf5jP3MHxPqsPx5GVYSSRt4Gtv3wvXTMma@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C47DD34.1010905@ali.org.ua>
	<op.vf8kaaaat0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikHziM7U9a6EcMogTvZHDpYtmqdSCvIHa5Xosw4@mail.gmail.com>

????? ??????????.

22 ???? 2010 ?. 11:24 ???????????? Vladimir Vasilenko
<jeltoesolnce at aol.com> ???????:
> http://test.shumbely.com - ???? 4Site,
> http://admin.shumbely.com - ???????.
>
> ???? - demo/demo
>
> IMHO - ????? ???? ???????, ??? ????. ???? "????????", ?? ????? ??????
> ????????? ????? & ??????? & ????????? ??? "??????????????? ??????????
> ????????" ???????????? ??????????.
>
>
> ?.
>
> On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 08:55:00 +0300, Oleg Alistratov <ali at ali.org.ua> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 21.07.2010 21:46, ???????? ?????????? wrote:
>>
>>> ? ?????? ???????????? 4site.ru - ???????? ???????????, ????
>>> ??????? ??????? ? ?.?. ? ????? ?? ???????? ?? ??????, ??? ????? 2
>>> ??????. ????? ??? ????? - ????????? ? ??????????.
>>
>>
>> ???????? ??????? -- ???????? ?????.
>>
>> ???????? ?????? ?? MVC, ???? ?????????? ? sql (???????? ?????? ???
>> MySQL). ??????? ????????????, ? SQL ????? ??????????? ?????????,
>> ?????????? ?? CGI query. ??????, ??????? ??????.
>>
>> ???? http://demo.4site.ru/ ?? ????????, ??? ??? ? ??????? ???????
>> ?? ??????.
>>
>> --
>> Ali
>
>
> --
> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

From jeltoesolnce at aol.com  Thu Jul 22 01:24:00 2010
From: jeltoesolnce at aol.com (Vladimir Vasilenko)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 11:24:00 +0300
Subject: =?utf-8?B?0J/RgNC+0LXQutGCICJQZXJsIENlcnRpZmllZCBIb3N0aW5nIg==?=
In-Reply-To: <4C47DD34.1010905@ali.org.ua>
References: <121851279720980@web152.yandex.ru>
 <E1ObZwx-0004m5-2k@ffe9.ukr.net> <566781279734809@web58.yandex.ru>
 <AANLkTimp9FLf5jP3MHxPqsPx5GVYSSRt4Gtv3wvXTMma@mail.gmail.com>
 <4C47DD34.1010905@ali.org.ua>
Message-ID: <op.vf8kaaaat0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>

http://test.shumbely.com - ???? 4Site,
http://admin.shumbely.com - ???????.

???? - demo/demo

IMHO - ????? ???? ???????, ??? ????. ???? "????????", ?? ????? ??????  
????????? ????? & ??????? & ????????? ??? "??????????????? ??????????  
????????" ???????????? ??????????.


?.

On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 08:55:00 +0300, Oleg Alistratov <ali at ali.org.ua> wrote:

>
>
> On 21.07.2010 21:46, ???????? ?????????? wrote:
>
>> ? ?????? ???????????? 4site.ru - ???????? ???????????, ????
>> ??????? ??????? ? ?.?. ? ????? ?? ???????? ?? ??????, ??? ????? 2
>> ??????. ????? ??? ????? - ????????? ? ??????????.
>
>
> ???????? ??????? ? ???????? ?????.
>
> ???????? ?????? ?? MVC, ???? ?????????? ? sql (???????? ?????? ???
> MySQL). ??????? ????????????, ? SQL ????? ??????????? ?????????,  
> ?????????? ?? CGI query. ??????, ??????? ??????.
>
> ???? http://demo.4site.ru/ ?? ????????, ??? ??? ? ??????? ???????
> ?? ??????.
>
> --
> Ali


-- 
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From ali at ali.org.ua  Wed Jul 21 22:55:00 2010
From: ali at ali.org.ua (Oleg Alistratov)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 08:55:00 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?0J/RgNC+0LXQutGCICJQZXJsIENlcnRpZmllZCBIb3N0aW5nIg==?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimp9FLf5jP3MHxPqsPx5GVYSSRt4Gtv3wvXTMma@mail.gmail.com>
References: <121851279720980@web152.yandex.ru> <E1ObZwx-0004m5-2k@ffe9.ukr.net> 	<566781279734809@web58.yandex.ru> <AANLkTimp9FLf5jP3MHxPqsPx5GVYSSRt4Gtv3wvXTMma@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C47DD34.1010905@ali.org.ua>




On 21.07.2010 21:46, ???????? ?????????? wrote:

> ? ?????? ???????????? 4site.ru - ???????? ???????????, ????
> ??????? ??????? ? ?.?. ? ????? ?? ???????? ?? ??????, ??? ????? 2
> ??????. ????? ??? ????? - ????????? ? ??????????.


???????? ??????? ? ???????? ?????.

???????? ?????? ?? MVC, ???? ?????????? ? sql (???????? ?????? ???
MySQL). ??????? ????????????, ? SQL ????? ??????????? ?????????, 
?????????? ?? CGI query. ??????, ??????? ??????.

???? http://demo.4site.ru/ ?? ????????, ??? ??? ? ??????? ???????
?? ??????.

--
Ali


From jeltoesolnce at aol.com  Wed Jul 21 22:46:46 2010
From: jeltoesolnce at aol.com (Vladimir Vasilenko)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 08:46:46 +0300
Subject: =?utf-8?B?UmVbM106INCf0YDQvtC10LrRgiAiUGVybCBDZXJ0aWZpZWQgSG9zdGluZyI=?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimp9FLf5jP3MHxPqsPx5GVYSSRt4Gtv3wvXTMma@mail.gmail.com>
References: <121851279720980@web152.yandex.ru>
 <E1ObZwx-0004m5-2k@ffe9.ukr.net> <566781279734809@web58.yandex.ru>
 <AANLkTimp9FLf5jP3MHxPqsPx5GVYSSRt4Gtv3wvXTMma@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.vf8cz3zdt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>

On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 21:46:03 +0300, ???????? ??????????  
<agnislav at gmail.com> wrote:

> ? ?????? ???????????? 4site.ru - ???????? ???????????, ????
> ??????? ??????? ? ?.?. ? ????? ?? ???????? ?? ??????, ??? ????? 2
> ??????. ????? ??? ????? - ????????? ? ??????????.

? ??????. ? ???? ?????? Perl ????? ????????? ?? ???? CMS ???????? - ??????  
???? ??? ? ???????????? ?? ?? ?????????, ??????????? ?? ?????.


?.
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From simne at yandex.ru  Wed Jul 21 16:37:29 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 03:37:29 +0400
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?UmU6IFJlOiBSZVszXTog8NLPxcvUICJQZXJsIENlcnRpZmllZCBIb3N0aW5nIg==?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimp9FLf5jP3MHxPqsPx5GVYSSRt4Gtv3wvXTMma@mail.gmail.com>
References: <121851279720980@web152.yandex.ru> <E1ObZwx-0004m5-2k@ffe9.ukr.net> <566781279734809@web58.yandex.ru> <AANLkTimp9FLf5jP3MHxPqsPx5GVYSSRt4Gtv3wvXTMma@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <171921279755449@web157.yandex.ru>


21.07.10, 22:46, "???????? ??????????" <agnislav at gmail.com>:
> ?? ????? ??????? ??????????? ?????? ????????? ?? ?????? ????????????,
>  ?? ???? - ? ????????????????? ?????????.

?????????????, ?????? ??? ?? ???? - ??????????? ????? ????? ?????????? ;)

>  ??? ??????????? ? ?????? ??????? ??????????. ??? ????, ?? ??? ?????.
>  Catalyst, Mojolicious, ???????? Jifty.

???????.

>  ?????????? CMS ?? ????? ? ??
>  ????. ? ?????? ???????????? 4site.ru - ???????? ???????????, ????
>  ??????? ??????? ? ?.?. ? ????? ?? ???????? ?? ??????, ??? ????? 2
>  ??????. ????? ??? ????? - ????????? ? ??????????.

??? ??????????????? ??????. ?????, ????? ??????? ? ?????? ???????.
????? ???????!!!!

>  ?????? ?????? ?????? - ????? ?????????????, ?? ??? ? ?? ???. ? ??
>  ????????? ? ????? ?????? ? Cogear - ?????????-??????????????? ??????.
>  ?? ?????? ????? ????? ?????????, ?????? ??????. ???? ??????????
>  Mojolicious.

? ?????, ?????????????? Perl ???????????, ?? ???? ???????? ?????????????? ? ? ???????????.

??????? ? ?????, ????? ???????? ?? ?????? TPF ??? ????????? - ?? ?????? ?????????, ?? ?????? ???????? ???, ?? ?????? object-relational mapper ???.

?????? ????? ????? ???? ??? ??-????????? - ?????????? ???? (???????? ?? PM); ????????????? ??????? ??????; ????????????? ????? ?????????? - ???????? ??? ??????????? ??????????? ???????? ??????? ??????, ????? ????, ?????????? ????; ????? ???? ????? ??????????? ??????????? ??????.
??????? ?????????? - ??????? ??????? ???????? ????????? ?????? ??????? ? ???????? ??????? ??? ????? ?????? ?????????; ????? ????????? ?????????? ????? ?????????? ??????? ???????????, ???????? ???? ?? ?????? ???????? ??????? - ???? ????????? ???????? ????????; ? ?? ????? ?????????? ?????? ??????? ? ????????????? ???????????.

? ?????????? ? ?????????? ??????? - ??????????, ? ????????? ? ?????????? ???????????? ????????? ???????????? ????? ??? ?????? ??????????? ????? ????????.
????????? - ???-?? ?? ???????-??????? ?????????? ? ???????? ?????? ????????? PCH, ? ??? ????????? ? ?????????? ?????? ???? - ???-?? ?????, ????? ??? ????? ???????????? ?????????? ??????????????, ?? ???? ?? ???? ???? ????????.

>  21 ???? 2010 ?. 20:53 ???????????? Sergeev Serge  ???????:
>  > ?????????.
>  >
>  > ? ??? ?? ???????? ? ?????????? ??????: ?? ?????? ????????, ???? ?? ??????? ? ??????? ???????; ??? ????? ????????.
>  >
>  > ??? ??? ??????? ??? ????? ????? ????????? ???????????? ???????????? - ????? ??? ?????-?? ??????? ???????.
>  > - ??????? ????????? ??????????? ? ?? ??????????, ? ??? ????? ? ?????????? PCH.
>  >
>  > 21.07.10, 18:07, "Dmitrii" :
>  >> ??? ???? perl7 ??????
>  >>
>  >> --- ???????? ????????? ---
>  >> ?? ????: Sergeev Serge
>  >> ????: kiev-perl-users-group at googlegroups.com
>  >> ????: Jul 21, 2010 17:03:00
>  >> ????: Re: Re: ?????? "Perl Certified Hosting"
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> > ????? ??? ???? ???????? ?????? ??????? ??? ????? - ????? ? ??? ?????? ?????? ? ??? ?????????, ? ??? ????? ????? ??? ?? ???????? ????????? ?? php-???? ???????..
>  >> > ??????? ? ? ???? ?????????? Perl-way.
>  >> >
>  >> > 20.07.10, 15:57, "Vladimir Vasilenko" :
>  >> > > ? "??????????? ?????" ?????? :-)
>  >> > >
>  >> > > ?, ?? ?????????, ??????, ??? ???? ???????? - ???????? ??????... ????, ??
>  >> > > ?? ????????? ??????? ?????????).
>  >> > >
>  >> > >
>  >> > > ?.
>  >> > >
>  >> > > On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 14:52:34 +0300, yko wrote:
>  >> > >
>  >> > > > cleanup (c)
>  >> > > >
>  >> > > > ? ???? ???????? ????? ???????? - ?? ??. ????? ? ?????? ????? ?????
>  >> > > > ?????? ???????? ????? ? ???????? ?????? ?? ????? ????????????.
>  >> > > > ? ???? ???? ??????? ???????? ??? ?????????? ???, ????? ??? ???????????
>  >> > > > ????? ?? perl-???????, perl-????????? ???? ??????? ? ????? perl-
>  >> > > > ?????????? (??, ??? ??? ???????????? ??????? :), ? ????? ????
>  >> > > > ??????????? ?????????? ????????, ??????? ? ??????????? ??????
>  >> > > > ??????????.
>  >> > > >
>  >> > > > ???-?? ??????? "?? ???????? ?? ?? ????? ???????". ???????? - ???????.
>  >> > > > ?? ?????-?? ?????????, ? ???? ????? ???, ???? ? ??? ??????? ??????, ?
>  >> > > > ?????, ???????. ??? - ??? ?????? ???????, ??????-??.
>  >> > > >
>  >> > > > On 20 ???, 14:21, vti wrote:
>  >> > > >> ??????? ????? ???????? ??? ?????????.


From igor.bliss at gmail.com  Wed Jul 21 15:58:10 2010
From: igor.bliss at gmail.com (Igor the Bliss)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 01:58:10 +0300
Subject: =?KOI8-R?Q?=F0=D2=CF=C5=CB=D4_=22Perl_Certified_Hostin?=
 =?KOI8-R?Q?g=22?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimuWJmuGe4rYi9aW6biFQvPmCbbf7u1YVMLxlCe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <121851279720980@web152.yandex.ru> <E1ObZwx-0004m5-2k@ffe9.ukr.net> 	<566781279734809@web58.yandex.ru> <AANLkTimp9FLf5jP3MHxPqsPx5GVYSSRt4Gtv3wvXTMma@mail.gmail.com> <AANLkTimuWJmuGe4rYi9aW6biFQvPmCbbf7u1YVMLxlCe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C477B82.7010900@gmail.com>


21.07.2010 23:47, Alexandr Ciornii ?????:
> ??????
>
> 21 ???? 2010 ?. 21:46 ???????????? ???????? ??????????
> <agnislav at gmail.com>  ???????:
>    
>> ??? ??????????? ? ?????? ??????? ??????????. ??? ????, ?? ??? ?????.
>> Catalyst, Mojolicious, ???????? Jifty.
>>      
> ? CGI::Application.
>
>    
>> ?????????? CMS ?? ????? ? ?? ????.
>>      
> Movable Type (???????? CMS), WebGUI (?????????? Perl ? WebGUI
> ???????????? ????).
>
>    
???-?? ????? ????????? mojomojo -- ?????????? ??? CMS. ???????? ?? 
?????????. ? ??????? ?? ?? ???????, ???????? ???? ?????, ?? ???????. 
????? ??????????? ????????. ? ????????, ?????????? CMS.


From s.gulko at gmail.com  Wed Jul 21 14:53:41 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (Serg Gulko)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 00:53:41 +0300
Subject: =?koi8-r?Q?=F0=D2=CF=C5=CB=D4?= "Perl Certified Hosting"
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimuWJmuGe4rYi9aW6biFQvPmCbbf7u1YVMLxlCe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <121851279720980@web152.yandex.ru>
	 <E1ObZwx-0004m5-2k@ffe9.ukr.net>  <566781279734809@web58.yandex.ru>
	 <AANLkTimp9FLf5jP3MHxPqsPx5GVYSSRt4Gtv3wvXTMma@mail.gmail.com>
	 <AANLkTimuWJmuGe4rYi9aW6biFQvPmCbbf7u1YVMLxlCe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1279749221.3740.17.camel@localhost>


WebGUI  ????????? ????? ??????? ?? ??????... 
?? ??????? ???????? ??? ?? ??????? 

? ???, 21/07/2010 ? 23:47 +0300, Alexandr Ciornii ?????:
> ??????
> 
> 21 ???? 2010 ?. 21:46 ???????????? ???????? ??????????
> <agnislav at gmail.com> ???????:
> > ??? ??????????? ? ?????? ??????? ??????????. ??? ????, ?? ??? ?????.
> > Catalyst, Mojolicious, ???????? Jifty.
> 
> ? CGI::Application.
> 
> > ?????????? CMS ?? ????? ? ?? ????.
> 
> Movable Type (???????? CMS), WebGUI (?????????? Perl ? WebGUI
> ???????????? ????).
> 




From agnislav at gmail.com  Wed Jul 21 14:26:42 2010
From: agnislav at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JDQs9C90LjRgdC70LDQsiDQntC90YPRhNGA0LjQudGH0YPQug==?=)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 00:26:42 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IFJlWzNdOiDQn9GA0L7QtdC60YIgIlBlcmwgQ2VydGlmaWVkIEhvc3Rpbmci?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimuWJmuGe4rYi9aW6biFQvPmCbbf7u1YVMLxlCe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <121851279720980@web152.yandex.ru> <E1ObZwx-0004m5-2k@ffe9.ukr.net> 
	<566781279734809@web58.yandex.ru> <AANLkTimp9FLf5jP3MHxPqsPx5GVYSSRt4Gtv3wvXTMma@mail.gmail.com> 
	<AANLkTimuWJmuGe4rYi9aW6biFQvPmCbbf7u1YVMLxlCe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTilpShu0vAbACxSAUCjZxnkIg1ag_cAvxgTdEvVh@mail.gmail.com>

21 ???? 2010 ?. 23:47 ???????????? Alexandr Ciornii
<alexchorny at gmail.com> ???????:
> ??????
>
> 21 ???? 2010 ?. 21:46 ???????????? ???????? ??????????
> <agnislav at gmail.com> ???????:
>> ??? ??????????? ? ?????? ??????? ??????????. ??? ????, ?? ??? ?????.
>> Catalyst, Mojolicious, ???????? Jifty.
>
> ? CGI::Application.
>
????? ?? ? Mason

From alexchorny at gmail.com  Wed Jul 21 13:47:07 2010
From: alexchorny at gmail.com (Alexandr Ciornii)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 23:47:07 +0300
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IFJlWzNdOiDw0s/Fy9QgIlBlcmwgQ2VydGlmaWVkIEhvc3Rpbmci?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimp9FLf5jP3MHxPqsPx5GVYSSRt4Gtv3wvXTMma@mail.gmail.com>
References: <121851279720980@web152.yandex.ru> <E1ObZwx-0004m5-2k@ffe9.ukr.net> 
	<566781279734809@web58.yandex.ru> <AANLkTimp9FLf5jP3MHxPqsPx5GVYSSRt4Gtv3wvXTMma@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimuWJmuGe4rYi9aW6biFQvPmCbbf7u1YVMLxlCe@mail.gmail.com>

??????

21 ???? 2010 ?. 21:46 ???????????? ???????? ??????????
<agnislav at gmail.com> ???????:
> ??? ??????????? ? ?????? ??????? ??????????. ??? ????, ?? ??? ?????.
> Catalyst, Mojolicious, ???????? Jifty.

? CGI::Application.

> ?????????? CMS ?? ????? ? ?? ????.

Movable Type (???????? CMS), WebGUI (?????????? Perl ? WebGUI
???????????? ????).

-- 
Alexandr Ciornii, http://chorny.net, Chisinau.pm

From agnislav at gmail.com  Wed Jul 21 11:46:03 2010
From: agnislav at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JDQs9C90LjRgdC70LDQsiDQntC90YPRhNGA0LjQudGH0YPQug==?=)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 21:46:03 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IFJlWzNdOiDQn9GA0L7QtdC60YIgIlBlcmwgQ2VydGlmaWVkIEhvc3Rpbmci?=
In-Reply-To: <566781279734809@web58.yandex.ru>
References: <121851279720980@web152.yandex.ru> <E1ObZwx-0004m5-2k@ffe9.ukr.net> 
	<566781279734809@web58.yandex.ru>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimp9FLf5jP3MHxPqsPx5GVYSSRt4Gtv3wvXTMma@mail.gmail.com>

?? ????? ??????? ??????????? ?????? ????????? ?? ?????? ????????????,
?? ???? - ? ????????????????? ?????????.

??? ??????????? ? ?????? ??????? ??????????. ??? ????, ?? ??? ?????.
Catalyst, Mojolicious, ???????? Jifty. ?????????? CMS ?? ????? ? ??
????. ? ?????? ???????????? 4site.ru - ???????? ???????????, ????
??????? ??????? ? ?.?. ? ????? ?? ???????? ?? ??????, ??? ????? 2
??????. ????? ??? ????? - ????????? ? ??????????.

?????? ?????? ?????? - ????? ?????????????, ?? ??? ? ?? ???. ? ??
????????? ? ????? ?????? ? Cogear - ?????????-??????????????? ??????.
?? ?????? ????? ????? ?????????, ?????? ??????. ???? ??????????
Mojolicious.

21 ???? 2010 ?. 20:53 ???????????? Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru> ???????:
> ?????????.
>
> ? ??? ?? ???????? ? ?????????? ??????: ?? ?????? ????????, ???? ?? ??????? ? ??????? ???????; ??? ????? ????????.
>
> ??? ??? ??????? ??? ????? ????? ????????? ???????????? ???????????? - ????? ??? ?????-?? ??????? ???????.
> - ??????? ????????? ??????????? ? ?? ??????????, ? ??? ????? ? ?????????? PCH.
>
> 21.07.10, 18:07, "Dmitrii" <q7u5 at ukr.net>:
>> ??? ???? perl7 ??????
>>
>> --- ???????? ????????? ---
>> ?? ????: Sergeev Serge
>> ????: kiev-perl-users-group at googlegroups.com
>> ????: Jul 21, 2010 17:03:00
>> ????: Re: Re: ?????? "Perl Certified Hosting"
>>
>>
>> > ????? ??? ???? ???????? ?????? ??????? ??? ????? - ????? ? ??? ?????? ?????? ? ??? ?????????, ? ??? ????? ????? ??? ?? ???????? ????????? ?? php-???? ???????..
>> > ??????? ? ? ???? ?????????? Perl-way.
>> >
>> > 20.07.10, 15:57, "Vladimir Vasilenko" :
>> > > ? "??????????? ?????" ?????? :-)
>> > >
>> > > ?, ?? ?????????, ??????, ??? ???? ???????? - ???????? ??????... ????, ??
>> > > ?? ????????? ??????? ?????????).
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ?.
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 14:52:34 +0300, yko wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > cleanup (c)
>> > > >
>> > > > ? ???? ???????? ????? ???????? - ?? ??. ????? ? ?????? ????? ?????
>> > > > ?????? ???????? ????? ? ???????? ?????? ?? ????? ????????????.
>> > > > ? ???? ???? ??????? ???????? ??? ?????????? ???, ????? ??? ???????????
>> > > > ????? ?? perl-???????, perl-????????? ???? ??????? ? ????? perl-
>> > > > ?????????? (??, ??? ??? ???????????? ??????? :), ? ????? ????
>> > > > ??????????? ?????????? ????????, ??????? ? ??????????? ??????
>> > > > ??????????.
>> > > >
>> > > > ???-?? ??????? "?? ???????? ?? ?? ????? ???????". ???????? - ???????.
>> > > > ?? ?????-?? ?????????, ? ???? ????? ???, ???? ? ??? ??????? ??????, ?
>> > > > ?????, ???????. ??? - ??? ?????? ???????, ??????-??.
>> > > >
>> > > > On 20 ???, 14:21, vti wrote:
>> > > >> ??????? ????? ???????? ??? ?????????.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

From simne at yandex.ru  Wed Jul 21 10:53:29 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 21:53:29 +0400
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?UmU6IFJlWzNdOiDw0s/Fy9QgIlBlcmwgQ2VydGlmaWVkIEhvc3Rpbmci?=
In-Reply-To: <E1ObZwx-0004m5-2k@ffe9.ukr.net>
References: <121851279720980@web152.yandex.ru> <E1ObZwx-0004m5-2k@ffe9.ukr.net>
Message-ID: <566781279734809@web58.yandex.ru>


?????????.

? ??? ?? ???????? ? ?????????? ??????: ?? ?????? ????????, ???? ?? ??????? ? ??????? ???????; ??? ????? ????????.

??? ??? ??????? ??? ????? ????? ????????? ???????????? ???????????? - ????? ??? ?????-?? ??????? ???????.
- ??????? ????????? ??????????? ? ?? ??????????, ? ??? ????? ? ?????????? PCH.

21.07.10, 18:07, "Dmitrii" <q7u5 at ukr.net>:
> ??? ???? perl7 ?????? 
>  
> --- ???????? ????????? --- 
> ?? ????: Sergeev Serge 
> ????: kiev-perl-users-group at googlegroups.com 
> ????: Jul 21, 2010 17:03:00 
> ????: Re: Re: ?????? "Perl Certified Hosting" 
>  
>  
> > ????? ??? ???? ???????? ?????? ??????? ??? ????? - ????? ? ??? ?????? ?????? ? ??? ?????????, ? ??? ????? ????? ??? ?? ???????? ????????? ?? php-???? ???????.. 
> > ??????? ? ? ???? ?????????? Perl-way. 
> >  
> > 20.07.10, 15:57, "Vladimir Vasilenko" : 
> > > ? "??????????? ?????" ?????? :-) 
> > > 
> > > ?, ?? ?????????, ??????, ??? ???? ???????? - ???????? ??????... ????, ?? 
> > > ?? ????????? ??????? ?????????). 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ?. 
> > > 
> > > On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 14:52:34 +0300, yko wrote: 
> > > 
> > > > cleanup (c) 
> > > > 
> > > > ? ???? ???????? ????? ???????? - ?? ??. ????? ? ?????? ????? ????? 
> > > > ?????? ???????? ????? ? ???????? ?????? ?? ????? ????????????. 
> > > > ? ???? ???? ??????? ???????? ??? ?????????? ???, ????? ??? ??????????? 
> > > > ????? ?? perl-???????, perl-????????? ???? ??????? ? ????? perl- 
> > > > ?????????? (??, ??? ??? ???????????? ??????? :), ? ????? ???? 
> > > > ??????????? ?????????? ????????, ??????? ? ??????????? ?????? 
> > > > ??????????. 
> > > > 
> > > > ???-?? ??????? "?? ???????? ?? ?? ????? ???????". ???????? - ???????. 
> > > > ?? ?????-?? ?????????, ? ???? ????? ???, ???? ? ??? ??????? ??????, ? 
> > > > ?????, ???????. ??? - ??? ?????? ???????, ??????-??. 
> > > > 
> > > > On 20 ???, 14:21, vti wrote: 
> > > >> ??????? ????? ???????? ??? ?????????. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> >  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  


From simne at yandex.ru  Wed Jul 21 09:40:21 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 20:40:21 +0400
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?UmU6IFJlOiDw0s/Fy9QgIlBlcmwgQ2VydGlmaWVkIEhvc3Rpbmci?=
In-Reply-To: <op.vf6jq3tot0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>
References: <e6d54a86-470a-4c08-9663-1a22277c3609@e5g2000yqn.googlegroups.com> <a77542a2-2287-4d2e-91be-7cce37fa5f8a@q22g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> <AANLkTikguzVg0B1FK0i-C7bGPr1pDs5yXI-QdkAV_gVf@mail.gmail.com> <op.vf4qj1llt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork> <1279610309.12524.14.camel@localhost> <op.vf4tyjdbt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork> <1279613491.12524.19.camel@localhost> <op.vf4u6mtgt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork> <AANLkTimLHXrwAa4XqzdLBmlRzQ7GkZd4nE6lt_M8RyN6@mail.gmail.com> <32c879c8-160f-41d5-a75e-f0f3fd17161a@u26g2000yqu.googlegroups.com> <op.vf44umxgt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork> <5d802c6b-f5f5-47c5-a92b-dc5550d1f58c@u26g2000yqu.googlegroups.com> <AANLkTilU9R2A9EK2qLLvhPxuyjp3zFaHyBljffdO1HK1@mail.gmail.com> <op.vf6jq3tot0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>
Message-ID: <628411279730421@web103.yandex.ru>


? ???-?? ? ????? ??? ????? ???????? ??? PCH ? ????????? ??????????? ? ????????? Perl.
??? ????????? ? ?????, ??? ????-?? ??????? ?????? ?????????? ?????-?? ??????????? ?????, ????? ???????????? ???? ?????????, ? ????? ??????? ??????? ????? ? Perl ??? ????? ?????????????????? ??????? ????????????.

21.07.10, 10:17, "Vladimir Vasilenko" <jeltoesolnce at aol.com>:
> On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 01:38:03 +0300, ???????? ??????????  
>   wrote:
>  
>  ?? ??????? ????, ??????? - ??? ???).
>  
>  > ---
>  > ?????? Perl vs "????????? ????" ????????? ? ????? ?? ????????, ???,
>  > ????????, "????????? ??????" vs "?????????? ??????".
>  > ---
>  > ??? ? ???. ? ???????/?????? ????????? ????? ????????? - ??????????,
>  > ??? ??? ???????? ??????????? "????????????? ?????.
>  ?????????:
>  Perl vs "?????????? ????" ? "????????? ??????" vs "?????????? ??????" ????  
>  ???????????? ?????????, ?? ????, Perl ????????? ? "????????? ??????", ?  
>  "?????????? ????" ? "?????????? ??????" :-).
>  
>  ? ?? ??????????? Perl ??? ?? ????????????, ?? ?? ???? ???????? ? ??????.  
>  ??? ???????? ???????? - ?? ???? ?? "???????????", ?? ??? ?????????  
>  ??????????, ???? ????? ??????????? cgi, ?????? mod_perl, ??????? ???  
>  ???-??? ??? ????? ??? ???????? ? VDS-?? ? ?????????? ?????????. IMHO ????  
>  ?????????? ?? ??????? ???? CPAN ?????, ????????? ?????? "???????").
>  
>  ??? ???????? ?????????? ????????, ??, ?? ??????????? ????, ?? VDS-? ???  
>  ???? ?????????????????? ????? ??????????? ???-?????? "?????????" ???  
>  ??????????. ??????, ? ?? ??.
>  
>  
>  ?.
>  
>  


From q7u5 at ukr.net  Wed Jul 21 07:45:10 2010
From: q7u5 at ukr.net (Dmitrii)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 17:45:10 +0300
Subject: =?windows-1251?b?z/Du5ery?= "Perl Certified Hosting"
In-Reply-To: <1279722160.2163.1.camel@localhost>
References: <1279722160.2163.1.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <E1ObaXm-000CgG-B7@ffe7.ukr.net>



??? ??? ????? ???? ?? ??????????? ?? perl6 ?????????????: 

 

 

 http://www.x0.org.ua/photo/view/34/203  

 

 http://www.x0.org.ua/photo/view/34/265  

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- ???????? ????????? ---
?? ????: "Serg V. Gulko" <s.gulko at gmail.com>
????: kiev-perl-users-group at googlegroups.com
????: Jul 21, 2010  17:22:40
????: Re: Re[3]: ?????? "Perl Certified Hosting"

??? ???? ???? ???-?? ??????:) ??????? ??? ???????:)
 > ?? ????? ?????????? ??????? ? ??????? PCH - ?? ????????? ???? ????????
 > ???????????? ? ?? mail ?????, ????? ????????? ??????, ??? ???????, ?????
 > ? ????. 
 > ?, ? ???? ???????, ?????? ????? ????? ?????? PM-?????, ??? Kiev.pm
 > ?????????? ???????????? PCH.
 > 
 > ? ???, 21/07/2010 ? 17:07 +0300, Dmitrii ?????:
 > 
 > > ??? ???? perl7 ?????? 
 > > 
 > > --- ???????? ????????? --- 
 > > ?? ????: Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru> 
 > > ????: kiev-perl-users-group at googlegroups.com 
 > > ????: Jul 21, 2010 17:03:00 
 > > ????: Re: Re: ?????? "Perl Certified Hosting" 
 > > 
 > > 
 > >         ????? ??? ???? ???????? ?????? ??????? ??? ????? - ????? ? ???
 > >         ?????? ?????? ? ??? ?????????, ? ??? ????? ????? ??? ??
 > >         ???????? ????????? ?? php-???? ???????.. 
 > >         ??????? ? ? ???? ?????????? Perl-way. 
 > >         
 > >         20.07.10, 15:57, "Vladimir Vasilenko" : 
 > >         > ? "??????????? ?????" ?????? :-) 
 > >         > 
 > >         > ?, ?? ?????????, ??????, ??? ???? ???????? - ????????
 > >         ??????... ????, ?? 
 > >         > ?? ????????? ??????? ?????????). 
 > >         > 
 > >         > 
 > >         > ?. 
 > >         > 
 > >         > On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 14:52:34 +0300, yko wrote: 
 > >         > 
 > >         > > cleanup (c) 
 > >         > > 
 > >         > > ? ???? ???????? ????? ???????? - ?? ??. ????? ? ??????
 > >         ????? ????? 
 > >         > > ?????? ???????? ????? ? ???????? ?????? ?? ?????
 > >         ????????????. 
 > >         > > ? ???? ???? ??????? ???????? ??? ?????????? ???, ????? ???
 > >         ??????????? 
 > >         > > ????? ?? perl-???????, perl-????????? ???? ??????? ? ?????
 > >         perl- 
 > >         > > ?????????? (??, ??? ??? ???????????? ??????? :), ? ?????
 > >         ???? 
 > >         > > ??????????? ?????????? ????????, ??????? ? ???????????
 > >         ?????? 
 > >         > > ??????????. 
 > >         > > 
 > >         > > ???-?? ??????? "?? ???????? ?? ?? ????? ???????". ????????
 > >         - ???????. 
 > >         > > ?? ?????-?? ?????????, ? ???? ????? ???, ???? ? ???
 > >         ??????? ??????, ? 
 > >         > > ?????, ???????. ??? - ??? ?????? ???????, ??????-??. 
 > >         > > 
 > >         > > On 20 ???, 14:21, vti wrote: 
 > >         > >> ??????? ????? ???????? ??? ?????????. 
 > >         > 
 > >         > 
 > >         > 
 > >         
 > > 
 > > 
 > > 
 > > 
 > > 
 > > 
 > > 
 > 
 > 






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From s.gulko at gmail.com  Wed Jul 21 07:22:40 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (Serg V. Gulko)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 17:22:40 +0300
Subject: =?koi8-r?Q?=F0=D2=CF=C5=CB=D4?= "Perl Certified Hosting"
In-Reply-To: <E1ObZwx-0004m5-2k@ffe9.ukr.net>
References: <121851279720980@web152.yandex.ru>
	 <E1ObZwx-0004m5-2k@ffe9.ukr.net>
Message-ID: <1279722160.2163.1.camel@localhost>

??? ???? ???? ???-?? ??????:) ??????? ??? ???????:)
?? ????? ?????????? ??????? ? ??????? PCH - ?? ????????? ???? ????????
???????????? ? ?? mail ?????, ????? ????????? ??????, ??? ???????, ?????
? ????. 
?, ? ???? ???????, ?????? ????? ????? ?????? PM-?????, ??? Kiev.pm
?????????? ???????????? PCH.



? ???, 21/07/2010 ? 17:07 +0300, Dmitrii ?????:

> ??? ???? perl7 ?????? 
> 
> --- ???????? ????????? --- 
> ?? ????: Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru> 
> ????: kiev-perl-users-group at googlegroups.com 
> ????: Jul 21, 2010 17:03:00 
> ????: Re: Re: ?????? "Perl Certified Hosting" 
> 
> 
>         ????? ??? ???? ???????? ?????? ??????? ??? ????? - ????? ? ???
>         ?????? ?????? ? ??? ?????????, ? ??? ????? ????? ??? ??
>         ???????? ????????? ?? php-???? ???????.. 
>         ??????? ? ? ???? ?????????? Perl-way. 
>         
>         20.07.10, 15:57, "Vladimir Vasilenko" : 
>         > ? "??????????? ?????" ?????? :-) 
>         > 
>         > ?, ?? ?????????, ??????, ??? ???? ???????? - ????????
>         ??????... ????, ?? 
>         > ?? ????????? ??????? ?????????). 
>         > 
>         > 
>         > ?. 
>         > 
>         > On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 14:52:34 +0300, yko wrote: 
>         > 
>         > > cleanup (c) 
>         > > 
>         > > ? ???? ???????? ????? ???????? - ?? ??. ????? ? ??????
>         ????? ????? 
>         > > ?????? ???????? ????? ? ???????? ?????? ?? ?????
>         ????????????. 
>         > > ? ???? ???? ??????? ???????? ??? ?????????? ???, ????? ???
>         ??????????? 
>         > > ????? ?? perl-???????, perl-????????? ???? ??????? ? ?????
>         perl- 
>         > > ?????????? (??, ??? ??? ???????????? ??????? :), ? ?????
>         ???? 
>         > > ??????????? ?????????? ????????, ??????? ? ???????????
>         ?????? 
>         > > ??????????. 
>         > > 
>         > > ???-?? ??????? "?? ???????? ?? ?? ????? ???????". ????????
>         - ???????. 
>         > > ?? ?????-?? ?????????, ? ???? ????? ???, ???? ? ???
>         ??????? ??????, ? 
>         > > ?????, ???????. ??? - ??? ?????? ???????, ??????-??. 
>         > > 
>         > > On 20 ???, 14:21, vti wrote: 
>         > >> ??????? ????? ???????? ??? ?????????. 
>         > 
>         > 
>         > 
>         
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From q7u5 at ukr.net  Wed Jul 21 07:07:07 2010
From: q7u5 at ukr.net (Dmitrii)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 17:07:07 +0300
Subject: =?windows-1251?b?z/Du5ery?= "Perl Certified Hosting"
In-Reply-To: <121851279720980@web152.yandex.ru>
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??? ???? perl7 ??????  

--- ???????? ????????? ---
?? ????: Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru>
????: kiev-perl-users-group at googlegroups.com
????: Jul 21, 2010  17:03:00
????: Re: Re: ?????? "Perl Certified Hosting"

????? ??? ???? ???????? ?????? ??????? ??? ????? - ????? ? ??? ?????? ?????? ? ??? ?????????, ? ??? ????? ????? ??? ?? ???????? ????????? ?? php-???? ???????..
 > ??????? ? ? ???? ?????????? Perl-way.
 > 
 > 20.07.10, 15:57, "Vladimir Vasilenko" <jeltoesolnce at aol.com>:
 > > ? "??????????? ?????" ?????? :-)
 > >  
 > >  ?, ?? ?????????, ??????, ??? ???? ???????? - ???????? ??????... ????, ??  
 > >  ?? ????????? ??????? ?????????).
 > >  
 > >  
 > >  ?.
 > >  
 > >  On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 14:52:34 +0300, yko  wrote:
 > >  
 > >  > cleanup (c)
 > >  >
 > >  > ? ???? ???????? ????? ???????? - ?? ??. ????? ? ?????? ????? ?????
 > >  > ?????? ???????? ????? ? ???????? ?????? ?? ????? ????????????.
 > >  > ? ???? ???? ??????? ???????? ??? ?????????? ???, ????? ??? ???????????
 > >  > ????? ?? perl-???????, perl-????????? ???? ??????? ? ????? perl-
 > >  > ?????????? (??, ??? ??? ???????????? ??????? :), ? ????? ????
 > >  > ??????????? ?????????? ????????, ??????? ? ??????????? ??????
 > >  > ??????????.
 > >  >
 > >  > ???-?? ??????? "?? ???????? ?? ?? ????? ???????". ???????? - ???????.
 > >  > ?? ?????-?? ?????????, ? ???? ????? ???, ???? ? ??? ??????? ??????, ?
 > >  > ?????,  ???????. ??? - ??? ?????? ???????, ??????-??.
 > >  >
 > >  > On 20 ???, 14:21, vti  wrote:
 > >  >> ??????? ????? ???????? ??? ?????????.
 > >  
 > >  
 > >  
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From simne at yandex.ru  Wed Jul 21 07:03:00 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 18:03:00 +0400
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?UmU6IFJlOiDw0s/Fy9QgIlBlcmwgQ2VydGlmaWVkIEhvc3Rpbmci?=
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????? ??? ???? ???????? ?????? ??????? ??? ????? - ????? ? ??? ?????? ?????? ? ??? ?????????, ? ??? ????? ????? ??? ?? ???????? ????????? ?? php-???? ???????..
??????? ? ? ???? ?????????? Perl-way.

20.07.10, 15:57, "Vladimir Vasilenko" <jeltoesolnce at aol.com>:
> ? "??????????? ?????" ?????? :-)
>  
>  ?, ?? ?????????, ??????, ??? ???? ???????? - ???????? ??????... ????, ??  
>  ?? ????????? ??????? ?????????).
>  
>  
>  ?.
>  
>  On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 14:52:34 +0300, yko  wrote:
>  
>  > cleanup (c)
>  >
>  > ? ???? ???????? ????? ???????? - ?? ??. ????? ? ?????? ????? ?????
>  > ?????? ???????? ????? ? ???????? ?????? ?? ????? ????????????.
>  > ? ???? ???? ??????? ???????? ??? ?????????? ???, ????? ??? ???????????
>  > ????? ?? perl-???????, perl-????????? ???? ??????? ? ????? perl-
>  > ?????????? (??, ??? ??? ???????????? ??????? :), ? ????? ????
>  > ??????????? ?????????? ????????, ??????? ? ??????????? ??????
>  > ??????????.
>  >
>  > ???-?? ??????? "?? ???????? ?? ?? ????? ???????". ???????? - ???????.
>  > ?? ?????-?? ?????????, ? ???? ????? ???, ???? ? ??? ??????? ??????, ?
>  > ?????,  ???????. ??? - ??? ?????? ???????, ??????-??.
>  >
>  > On 20 ???, 14:21, vti  wrote:
>  >> ??????? ????? ???????? ??? ?????????.
>  
>  
>  


From simne at yandex.ru  Wed Jul 21 06:49:42 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 17:49:42 +0400
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?UmU6IFJlOiDw0s/Fy9QgIlBlcmwgQ2VydGlmaWVkIEhvc3Rpbmci?=
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???????????!!!

?????? ?????? ???? ??????????? ????????? ? ??? ??????? ? ?????? ??? ????? ?????????????? ???????????? - ???? ??????????? ???? ??????? ? ????????? ???? ???????.

?? ?????? ??????: ???? ??? ??? ?????????????? ????? ?????? "??, ??? ????????, ??? ??????" - ??????????? ??????????????, ?????? ? ????? ?????? ?????, ? ?????? ?? ???????????? ;)

? ??? ????? ?? ????? ? ???? ??????, ? ??????? ???? ??????? - ?????? ?? ???? - ????? ????????? ????????????? ????? Perl; ????? ????????? ????? ??? Perl ? ??? ???? ??????? ;)

20.07.10, 15:52, "yko" <ykorshak at gmail.com>:
> cleanup (c)
>  
>  ? ???? ???????? ????? ???????? - ?? ??. ????? ? ?????? ????? ?????
>  ?????? ???????? ????? ? ???????? ?????? ?? ????? ????????????.
>  ? ???? ???? ??????? ???????? ??? ?????????? ???, ????? ??? ???????????
>  ????? ?? perl-???????, perl-????????? ???? ??????? ? ????? perl-
>  ?????????? (??, ??? ??? ???????????? ??????? :), ? ????? ????
>  ??????????? ?????????? ????????, ??????? ? ??????????? ??????
>  ??????????.
>  
>  ???-?? ??????? "?? ???????? ?? ?? ????? ???????". ???????? - ???????.
>  ?? ?????-?? ?????????, ? ???? ????? ???, ???? ? ??? ??????? ??????, ?
>  ?????,  ???????. ??? - ??? ?????? ???????, ??????-??.
>  
>  On 20 ???, 14:21, vti  wrote:
>  > ??????? ????? ???????? ??? ?????????.
>  


From dshadowukraine at gmail.com  Wed Jul 21 01:17:53 2010
From: dshadowukraine at gmail.com (Konstantin Cherednichenko)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 11:17:53 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6INCf0YDQvtC10LrRgiAiUGVybCBDZXJ0aWZpZWQgSG9zdGluZyI=?=
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? ??? ?? psgi? ???? ????? ????????????? ??? ??????? CGI...

2010/7/21 ???????? ?????????? <agnislav at gmail.com>

> > ???
> > ???????? ???????? - ?? ???? ?? "???????????", ?? ??? ?????????
> ??????????,
> > ???? ????? ??????????? cgi, ?????? mod_perl, ??????? ??? ???-???
> ? ???? ????????? "?????????????????" ?? ?????? "????? ??? ????? ?
> ?????????". ? ???? ????????? - ??? ???????? ????, ??? ??? ??????????
> ?????????? ??????????????. ? ???????, ? ?? ????? mod_php. ?
> ??????????? FCGI - ?? ???? ? ????? ?????????, ?? ??????????. ??? ????
> ??? ????? ? ???????? ???? ???? ??, ???? ??. ?????? ??? ?? ???????? ??
> ????? ??????? ?? ????? ???????? ??? ????? ?????? ????? ???? ???????,
> ??? ?????? - ??????.
>
> ? ?????? ?????? ???????????? - ???? ????????????? ??????????? ???????
> ???? mod_perl - based ???????, ???? cgi, ???? fastcgi - ???? ???. ??
> ???? ??? ????? ))  ??????????, ??????????, ??????, ??? ????? ????...
>



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From agnislav at gmail.com  Wed Jul 21 00:33:34 2010
From: agnislav at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JDQs9C90LjRgdC70LDQsiDQntC90YPRhNGA0LjQudGH0YPQug==?=)
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	<op.vf4qj1llt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork> <1279610309.12524.14.camel@localhost> 
	<op.vf4tyjdbt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork> <1279613491.12524.19.camel@localhost> 
	<op.vf4u6mtgt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork> <AANLkTimLHXrwAa4XqzdLBmlRzQ7GkZd4nE6lt_M8RyN6@mail.gmail.com> 
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> ???
> ???????? ???????? - ?? ???? ?? "???????????", ?? ??? ????????? ??????????,
> ???? ????? ??????????? cgi, ?????? mod_perl, ??????? ??? ???-???
? ???? ????????? "?????????????????" ?? ?????? "????? ??? ????? ?
?????????". ? ???? ????????? - ??? ???????? ????, ??? ??? ??????????
?????????? ??????????????. ? ???????, ? ?? ????? mod_php. ?
??????????? FCGI - ?? ???? ? ????? ?????????, ?? ??????????. ??? ????
??? ????? ? ???????? ???? ???? ??, ???? ??. ?????? ??? ?? ???????? ??
????? ??????? ?? ????? ???????? ??? ????? ?????? ????? ???? ???????,
??? ?????? - ??????.

? ?????? ?????? ???????????? - ???? ????????????? ??????????? ???????
???? mod_perl - based ???????, ???? cgi, ???? fastcgi - ???? ???. ??
???? ??? ????? ))  ??????????, ??????????, ??????, ??? ????? ????...

From jeltoesolnce at aol.com  Tue Jul 20 23:17:21 2010
From: jeltoesolnce at aol.com (Vladimir Vasilenko)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 09:17:21 +0300
Subject: =?utf-8?B?0J/RgNC+0LXQutGCICJQZXJsIENlcnRpZmllZCBIb3N0aW5nIg==?=
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On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 01:38:03 +0300, ???????? ??????????  
<agnislav at gmail.com> wrote:

?? ??????? ????, ??????? - ??? ???).

> ---
> ?????? Perl vs "????????? ????" ????????? ? ????? ?? ????????, ???,
> ????????, "????????? ??????" vs "?????????? ??????".
> ---
> ??? ? ???. ? ???????/?????? ????????? ????? ????????? - ??????????,
> ??? ??? ???????? ??????????? "????????????? ?????.
?????????:
Perl vs "?????????? ????" ? "????????? ??????" vs "?????????? ??????" ????  
???????????? ?????????, ?? ????, Perl ????????? ? "????????? ??????", ?  
"?????????? ????" ? "?????????? ??????" :-).

? ?? ??????????? Perl ??? ?? ????????????, ?? ?? ???? ???????? ? ??????.  
??? ???????? ???????? - ?? ???? ?? "???????????", ?? ??? ?????????  
??????????, ???? ????? ??????????? cgi, ?????? mod_perl, ??????? ???  
???-??? ??? ????? ??? ???????? ? VDS-?? ? ?????????? ?????????. IMHO ????  
?????????? ?? ??????? ???? CPAN ?????, ????????? ?????? "???????").

??? ???????? ?????????? ????????, ??, ?? ??????????? ????, ?? VDS-? ???  
???? ?????????????????? ????? ??????????? ???-?????? "?????????" ???  
??????????. ??????, ? ?? ??.


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From viacheslav.t at gmail.com  Tue Jul 20 23:16:53 2010
From: viacheslav.t at gmail.com (vti)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 09:16:53 +0300
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?????, ??? ???? ???? ????? ???? ????? ???????????.

http://perlsharedhosting.com/

From simne at yandex.ru  Tue Jul 20 18:57:28 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 05:57:28 +0400
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?UmU6IFJlOiDw0s/Fy9QgIlBlcmwgQ2VydGlmaWVkIEhvc3Rpbmci?=
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? Perl ???? ???? ??????? ????????, ??????? ?????-?? ?????????? Lisp - ??? ????? ?????? ??????????? ?????, ? ?????????? ???????? ????????? Lisp ?????? ????????? ?? ??????, ?????????? ???????? ?? ??? ?? ??????? ?????? ????? ????, ??? ??????? 800-?????????? ????? ? ????????.
? ???? ????? ???? ???? ? ? Perl - ? ????????? ??????? ????? ???????? ?????????? ? ?????????? ????????, ?? ? ?????? ??????? ?????????????? ???-?? ??????...

? PHP ? ???? ??? ?????? - ??? ????????????? ???????? ?????? ????? ??????? ??????????, ????? ??? ? ??, ? ???????????, ??????? ?????????? ????? ??????? ????? ?????? ??? ????????? ???????? ??? ??? Perl (???? ?????? ?? ??? ?????????), ? ?????????? ?????????? ??????? ????, ??????? ??? ? ?????? ????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ??, ? ????? ??? ????????? ???????? ????? Cookbook.

???????, ??? ??????.
? ??????? ????? ????????, ??? ?????? ???????? Perl ????? ?????? ? ??????? ????? - ???????? ????? ??????? ??????? ?????????? ???????? ? Certified ??????, ???????? ??????? mojo/moose certified, ? ????????? ????? ??????? ????????? ?????? ?????? ? ?? ????????? ?????? ???????.

20.07.10, 12:11, "Serg V. Gulko" <s.gulko at gmail.com>:
> ??? ???? ???????, ? ???? ??????????? ? ?????-?? ???????. ? ??????, ??? Perl ?????????? ??????? ???? ??? ??????? ???????????? ?????, ? ??????? ???????????? ? ??????? php ???????? ?????? ??????, ??? ? ?????-?? ?????? ???? ??????? ??????? ??????? ??? ????????. 
> ??? ????? ???????, ??? ????????? ? perl 5 ????? ?????? ?? ????????? ? php? ?? ??????????? ??????????? ?????? ?????? ?????????? ???? ?? ????? ??????????? ?? ?????????? ? ??????? ?? ???????? ??????????? ???????? ?????? ?? ??????? ??????? ??????????? ? ?????????? ??????? ????(?? ?????, ????????? ??? ??? freelance). 
> 
> ? ???, 20/07/2010 ? 11:02 +0300, Vladimir Vasilenko ?????:
> > ?????, ?? - ?????????? (??? ??????? ??????????), ? ? - ??????????, ????????? Perl, ? ??? ????? ???????? ????? ?????? ????????????.??????? ?????? ????? ? ???, ??? ???????????? ????? "?? ??????" ?????? - ??? ???? ??? ???, ??? ??? ???????, ? ????? - ????. ? ??, ???? ???????????? Perl-hosting, ? ????? ???????? ?????? ????? ??????? ??????? VDS, ??? ??? (???????? ? ?????, ???????) ????????? ???? ??, ??? ???????, ? ????? ??????????.???????????? ???????: ????????? Perl (?, ??????, php ??? ??:-) ?????? ???? ????????? ??????, ? ????? ??, ?????? ????? ??? ??????? ??????????. ????-?? ??? ???????? ???? ?????? "?????????????? Perl, PHP.??? ?????? ????? ???? ??????????? "?????????????" ?????? ?????, ??????? ??? ????? ????? ? ?????? ?????, ????? ????, ??????? ???-?? ??????????, ? ?? ? ????? ???? ????IMHO - ?????? ??? ???? ????????? ?????? ? ???? Perl ??? ??? ???????????? ???, ??? ???? ????? ? ????? "?????????? ????? ? ???????"?.On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 10:18:29 +0300, Serg V. Gulko <s.gulko at gmail.com> wrote:> ? ??? ??????? ??? ?????-?? ??????? ???? ??? ?? ???????? ??????, ???> ??????? ????????? PCH ???? ????????? ? ????? ????????????? Perl ? ??> ????? ????. ??????? ?? ?????? ????? ??? ? ????????. ???????? ????????? ?> ?????????? ? ???? ???????? ???????? ?????? ?? ?????????? ????????????> perl.> ??????? ?????? - ? ???? ???? ?????? ?????????? ???? ?? Drupal. ??> ???????? ?????, ????? ??????????? ?? ????????????, ????? ?? ?? ????????> ?? ???????? ????? ???? ???????, ??????????? ????? 90%. ? ????? ?? ??????> ????????, ???? ??????? ???????-?????????????? ????? ???????????> ?????????? ?? Perl(??? ?????? ? ???????)?>>>>> ?????, ????? ??? ????? ?????? ??? ?? ????, ????? ???, ??? ??????? ?????.>> Simne ????? ???????, ??? ??????? ????? ????????????, ????? ??? ??????>> ????-??, ? ???? ?????, ???????? ????? ?? ???? ?????????? ????????. ?>> ?????, ????? ??????? ????? ?????? ??? ????? ???????, ????? ?????>> ???????????? ? ???????.>>>>>> ?.>> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/>

From simne at yandex.ru  Tue Jul 20 18:36:43 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
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??? ???? ??? ?????????? ?? ?????? ??????.
?? ???????, ? ????????, ????????? ????????? ????? ?????????, ? ????? ??? ?????? ?????????? ????????? ??? ????.
?? ??? ????? ??????, ???? ? ???? ???????, ? ?? ????? ??????? ?????????? ????????? Perl, ?? ??? ????????? ? perl.org ? ???????? - ????? ??? ?????? ??????, ?????? ?? ?????? ?????

?????????, ????????? ??? ?? ?????? ?????-?? ????? ????? - ??? ????? ???????.
??? ???????, ??? ?? ????????? 95-?? - ?? ??????? ???????? ????? ????????? ? ???? ?? ?? ??? ???????, ?? ???? ??????????? ?? ??????????? ????????? ?????????? ? ?????????? ??????????? ? ?????? ??????? ????; ????? ????, ???? ???????? ???? ??? ? ??? ???? ???????? ???? ??????; ????? ????, ???? ????? ??????? ???????? ? ???????? ?????????????? ?????; ? ???? ???? ??????? ?? ????? ????????? ?????????? ????????? ?????? ? ??????????????.

??? - ? ?????????? ? ????????? "???????? ??????? ?? ????? ????".

? ??????? ???? ?????????, ?? ??-????? ?????, ? ??????? ?? ???????, ????? ????? ?? ????? ????.
? ????? ???? ????? ?????????????, ??? ??? ?? ??? ????????????? ??????? ????????? ??????? ?? ??????????, ?? ???? ????????? _??????_???_ ???????? _????????????_, ????????? ??????????? ?? ????? ??????????????, ? 5-? ? ????? ???????? ? ??????.

??? ??????? ?????? ??????? ???????? ??????? ?? ???????? "???????? ??????", ?? ???? ????????, ??????? ?????? ????????? ?? ?????-?? ????? ????????????? ???????? ?????, ?? ???? ??????? ??? ????? ?????? ?????????? ????????????, ? ????? ????, ??? ?????????? ?????? ???? ???, ? ????????? ??? ????? ????? ???????????? ?????????? ???????.
???? ??? ? ??? ???? ?????????? ?????????? ?????? - ???? ??????? ? ???? ?????????, ? ?? ??? ?? ????????????? - ? ????????? ??? ????? ???????? ????? ??????? ??????? ???????, ?? ????????????? ???? ????? ??????? ???????????.

??? ?????, ? ???? ???? ??????? ????? ?????????????, ??????, 10 ????? ???????? ?? Perl ????????

20.07.10, 11:24, "???????? ??????????" <agnislav at gmail.com>:
> > ? ????? ?? ?????? ????????, ????
>  > ??????? ???????-?????????????? ????? ??????????? ?????????? ?? Perl(???
>  > ?????? ? ???????)?
>  >
>  ???! ??? ??? - ??????, ?????????? ???????? ???????!!! ?????? ????
>  ????? ???? ?????? ? ?????????? =) .
>  
>  


From agnislav at gmail.com  Tue Jul 20 15:38:03 2010
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????????, ???????, ? ?, ??? ???????, ?????????? ???? ?? ?????????
??????? ?, ????? ???, ???????? ????????????????.

?????-?? ????? ? ??????????????? ????????? ????????? ?, ????????, ???
??????? ? ????? ????. ??? ??? ????????. ??? ???????, ? ??? ?? ??????
?????, ?????? ?????. ?? ????? ? ???????? ??????? CMS/CMF ??
??????????? ???????? (DirectAdmin, ISPManager, VirtualMin) - ??? ????
????????????? ??????. ??-??????, ?????? ???? ?????????? ?????-??
??????. ??-??????, ?? ????????? ?????????? (cgi-bin etc) ??? ????????
????? ?????? ?? ??????. ?-???????, ??? ????? cgi-bin ?? ???? ??? ?
????? ?????? ??? ?? SEO.

??? ??? ?????????, ??? ????????, ??????? ???????????? ????. ??? ???
?????????, ?????? ??? ??? ???????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????. ?
??????? ?????? ? ??????????? ???????????? ?? ?????. ???????? ????
CMS... ?? ?????????? ???????? ?????????? ??????, ?? ??????? -
?????????? ?????? ? ?????? ?????? ????????.

???????? ??? ?????????? ?????? ?????????? ???????? ???????????????
???????? ??????? ? ????? PHP4. ?????? ??? ?????? ???????? ???
?????????????? ? ?????? ??????? php-????????. ????????? ??? ????? -
mod_php/CGI/FCGI - ??? ???????????????? ? ????????... ???? ??? ?????
????? ???? ?? ????/????? - ???? ?????????? ??????, ???????????
?????????? ?? ????? ??????????? ??????? ??? ?????? ????????. ????, ?
?????????, ??????? ???????????.

? ????? ?? PHP (? ?????? ????? ????). ? ???? ?? Perl. ? ?????
????????, ?????????????, ???????????? ? ???????? ????????? ???? ????
???????. ? ???? ?? ? ???? ??? ????? - ????? ?? ?????? ??? ??????????
?????? CMF ?? ????? ??? ??????? - ? ?? ?????? ????????. ?? ???? ??
???????? ???????? ?????????? - ? ??? ?????? ????????? ????? ?? ??????
????? ?? ?????????? ????? ?? ?????????? ?????  ???? ???????? ???????
?????? ???????, ???? ?????????? ?? ?????.

??? ??? ?? ????????. ???? ????? ??? ????????? ?? ?????????????. ???
??????? ?? ????????.

?????? ????????? ????????????.

---
??????? ?????? ????? ? ???, ??? ???????????? ????? "?? ??????" ??????
- ??? ???? ??? ???, ??? ??? ???????, ? ????? - ???? ... ??? ??????
????? ???? ??????????? "?????????????" ?????? ?????, ??????? ??? ?????
????? ? ?????? ?????, ????? ????, ??????? ???-?? ??????????, ? ?? ?
????? ???? ????
---
? ???? ???? ??????, ??????? ?????? ????? ?? ?????. ?????? ????? ??????
????? ?? ????. ????, ??????? ?????? ??? ?????????????? ???? ??. ????
?? ??????????. ? ?????? "??? ?????" - ?? ?????????. ????? ???? ?????
????? ????????? - ? ?????? ???? ?????? ???????? ???-?? ?????. ???
??????? 2? ??????, ???? ??????? ? ??????, ???? PHP ??? ????. ? ????? 2
?????? ? ???? ????????? ???????????, ??? php - ??? ??????????????
perl.

---
?????? Perl vs "????????? ????" ????????? ? ????? ?? ????????, ???,
????????, "????????? ??????" vs "?????????? ??????".
---
??? ? ???. ? ???????/?????? ????????? ????? ????????? - ??????????,
??? ??? ???????? ??????????? "????????????? ?????.


??? ??? ? ??? ?? ????? ???????:
1. ??? ???????? ????.
2. ??? ???????? ?????????? ?????????.
3. ??? ?? ???????? ????, ? ??????? ????????? ????-??????????????? ???????.
4. ? ???? ??????????? ??? ????????.

? ??????.

From ykorshak at gmail.com  Tue Jul 20 05:20:17 2010
From: ykorshak at gmail.com (yko)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 05:20:17 -0700 (PDT)
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??????? ?? ?????! ??? ?? ??????, ???? ??????!
????? ???? "????????" ?????????????, ????? ???? ????????, etc.
????? ?? ???-?? ?????????????? ???? ????? :)

??????????? ?? ?????? ???????? - ????? ???????, ???? ?????
????????????. ??? ??????? ????? ??????? ? ??????? :)
???????? ?????? ?????, ????????????? ?????, ?????????? ? ????????
???????, ????????????? ????????????...

???? ????????, ? ???????? ? ????. ?????? ? ??????????? perl ? ???????
???????? ??? ?????????? ??? ????, ? ??? ????? ?? ????. ?????? -
??????????. ?????? - ???.

On 20 ???, 14:57, "Vladimir Vasilenko" <jeltoesol... at aol.com> wrote:
> ? "??????????? ?????" ?????? :-)
>
> ?, ?? ?????????, ??????, ??? ???? ???????? - ???????? ??????... ????, ?? ?
> ?? ????????? ??????? ?????????).

From jeltoesolnce at aol.com  Tue Jul 20 04:57:48 2010
From: jeltoesolnce at aol.com (Vladimir Vasilenko)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 14:57:48 +0300
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? "??????????? ?????" ?????? :-)

?, ?? ?????????, ??????, ??? ???? ???????? - ???????? ??????... ????, ??  
?? ????????? ??????? ?????????).


?.

On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 14:52:34 +0300, yko <ykorshak at gmail.com> wrote:

> cleanup (c)
>
> ? ???? ???????? ????? ???????? - ?? ??. ????? ? ?????? ????? ?????
> ?????? ???????? ????? ? ???????? ?????? ?? ????? ????????????.
> ? ???? ???? ??????? ???????? ??? ?????????? ???, ????? ??? ???????????
> ????? ?? perl-???????, perl-????????? ???? ??????? ? ????? perl-
> ?????????? (??, ??? ??? ???????????? ??????? :), ? ????? ????
> ??????????? ?????????? ????????, ??????? ? ??????????? ??????
> ??????????.
>
> ???-?? ??????? "?? ???????? ?? ?? ????? ???????". ???????? - ???????.
> ?? ?????-?? ?????????, ? ???? ????? ???, ???? ? ??? ??????? ??????, ?
> ?????,  ???????. ??? - ??? ?????? ???????, ??????-??.
>
> On 20 ???, 14:21, vti <viachesla... at gmail.com> wrote:
>> ??????? ????? ???????? ??? ?????????.


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From ykorshak at gmail.com  Tue Jul 20 04:52:34 2010
From: ykorshak at gmail.com (yko)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 04:52:34 -0700 (PDT)
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cleanup (c)

? ???? ???????? ????? ???????? - ?? ??. ????? ? ?????? ????? ?????
?????? ???????? ????? ? ???????? ?????? ?? ????? ????????????.
? ???? ???? ??????? ???????? ??? ?????????? ???, ????? ??? ???????????
????? ?? perl-???????, perl-????????? ???? ??????? ? ????? perl-
?????????? (??, ??? ??? ???????????? ??????? :), ? ????? ????
??????????? ?????????? ????????, ??????? ? ??????????? ??????
??????????.

???-?? ??????? "?? ???????? ?? ?? ????? ???????". ???????? - ???????.
?? ?????-?? ?????????, ? ???? ????? ???, ???? ? ??? ??????? ??????, ?
?????,  ???????. ??? - ??? ?????? ???????, ??????-??.

On 20 ???, 14:21, vti <viachesla... at gmail.com> wrote:
> ??????? ????? ???????? ??? ?????????.

From viacheslav.t at gmail.com  Tue Jul 20 04:21:57 2010
From: viacheslav.t at gmail.com (vti)
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20 ???? 2010 ?. 11:29 ???????????? Vladimir Vasilenko
<jeltoesolnce at aol.com> ???????:
> ?????????? ?????, ???? ???????????????? ?? ????? "???????", ?? ??? ????
> ?????? ? ????? ??????????? ??? ?????? ????????????. ?????? Perl vs
> "????????? ????" ????????? ? ????? ?? ????????, ???, ????????, "?????????
> ??????" vs "?????????? ??????".
>
>
> ?.

??????? ????? ???????? ??? ?????????.

From viacheslav.t at gmail.com  Tue Jul 20 04:20:11 2010
From: viacheslav.t at gmail.com (vti)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 14:20:11 +0300
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPDSz8XL1CAiUGVybCBDZXJ0aWZpZWQgSG9zdGluZyI=?=
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20 ???? 2010 ?. 9:49 ???????????? Vladimir Vasilenko
<jeltoesolnce at aol.com> ???????:
>
> On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 09:12:22 +0300, vti <viacheslav.t at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ?????, ??? ????? ???????????? ?????? ???? Perl Foundation. ? ???? ??,
>> ??? ????? ???????????? ?????? ?? ??? ????. ????? ????, ??? ?????
>> ????????? ????????? ????????????. ????????, ??? ?????? Gabor Szabo: ??
>> ????????? ?????? ?? ?? Perl ???????????? ?? ????? ???? ? ??????????
>> Perl. ? ??? ??? ?? full time ??????.
>>
>
> ?????, ????? ??? ????? ?????? ??? ?? ????, ????? ???, ??? ??????? ?????.
> Simne ????? ???????, ??? ??????? ????? ????????????, ????? ??? ??????
> ????-??, ? ???? ?????, ???????? ????? ?? ???? ?????????? ????????. ? ?????,
> ????? ??????? ????? ?????? ??? ????? ???????, ????? ????? ???????????? ?
> ???????.

?????? TPF ???? ?????? ????? ?????????? ??????. ? ???? ?????? ??
?????????? ????????????? ???????. ?????????? ? ????????? ?? ??????
????? ? ?????????? full time ?????????? ?????? ???? ? ??????????
?????? ?????????. ?????? ? ????????? ????????????? -- ??? ??????
?????????. ????? ???? ????? ??????? ?????? ?????????? ???????? ??
????, ??? ??? ??? ? ??????? ????? ?? ??? ????-?? ??? ???, ???????????
? ?????????? ??????? ???????????? ? ????????????.

???? ?? ??????????, ?? ?????????? ????????.

From jeltoesolnce at aol.com  Tue Jul 20 01:29:00 2010
From: jeltoesolnce at aol.com (Vladimir Vasilenko)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 11:29:00 +0300
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?????????? ?????, ???? ???????????????? ?? ????? "???????", ?? ??? ????  
?????? ? ????? ??????????? ??? ?????? ????????????. ?????? Perl vs  
"????????? ????" ????????? ? ????? ?? ????????, ???, ????????, "?????????  
??????" vs "?????????? ??????".


?.

On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 11:11:31 +0300, Serg V. Gulko <s.gulko at gmail.com>  
wrote:

> ??? ???? ???????, ? ???? ??????????? ? ?????-?? ???????. ? ??????, ???
> Perl ?????????? ??????? ???? ??? ??????? ???????????? ?????, ? ???????
> ???????????? ? ??????? php ???????? ?????? ??????, ??? ? ?????-?? ??????
> ???? ??????? ??????? ??????? ??? ????????.
> ??? ????? ???????, ??? ????????? ? perl 5 ????? ?????? ?? ????????? ?
> php? ?? ??????????? ??????????? ?????? ?????? ?????????? ???? ?? ?????
> ??????????? ?? ?????????? ? ??????? ?? ???????? ??????????? ????????
> ?????? ?? ??????? ??????? ??????????? ? ?????????? ??????? ????(??
> ?????, ????????? ??? ??? freelance).
>
> ? ???, 20/07/2010 ? 11:02 +0300, Vladimir Vasilenko ?????:
>
>> ?????, ?? - ?????????? (??? ??????? ??????????), ? ? - ??????????,
>> ????????? Perl, ? ??? ????? ???????? ????? ?????? ????????????.
>>
>> ??????? ?????? ????? ? ???, ??? ???????????? ????? "?? ??????" ?????? -
>> ??? ???? ??? ???, ??? ??? ???????, ? ????? - ????. ? ??, ????  
>> ????????????
>> Perl-hosting, ? ????? ???????? ?????? ????? ??????? ??????? VDS, ??? ???
>> (???????? ? ?????, ???????) ????????? ???? ??, ??? ???????, ? ?????
>> ??????????.
>>
>> ???????????? ???????: ????????? Perl (?, ??????, php ??? ??:-) ??????  
>> ????
>> ????????? ??????, ? ????? ??, ?????? ????? ??? ??????? ??????????.  
>> ????-??
>> ??? ???????? ???? ?????? "?????????????? Perl, PHP.
>>
>> ??? ?????? ????? ???? ??????????? "?????????????" ?????? ?????, ???????
>> ??? ????? ????? ? ?????? ?????, ????? ????, ??????? ???-?? ??????????, ?
>> ?? ? ????? ???? ????
>>
>> IMHO - ?????? ??? ???? ????????? ??????  ? ???? Perl ??? ???  
>> ????????????
>> ???, ??? ???? ????? ? ????? "?????????? ????? ? ???????"
>>
>>
>> ?.
>>
>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 10:18:29 +0300, Serg V. Gulko <s.gulko at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > ? ??? ??????? ??? ?????-?? ??????? ???? ??? ?? ???????? ??????, ???
>> > ??????? ????????? PCH ???? ????????? ? ????? ????????????? Perl ? ??
>> > ????? ????. ??????? ?? ?????? ????? ??? ? ????????. ????????  
>> ????????? ?
>> > ?????????? ? ???? ???????? ???????? ?????? ?? ?????????? ????????????
>> > perl.
>> > ??????? ?????? - ? ???? ???? ?????? ?????????? ???? ?? Drupal. ??
>> > ???????? ?????, ????? ??????????? ?? ????????????, ????? ?? ??  
>> ????????
>> > ?? ???????? ????? ???? ???????, ??????????? ????? 90%. ? ????? ??  
>> ??????
>> > ????????, ???? ??????? ???????-?????????????? ????? ???????????
>> > ?????????? ?? Perl(??? ?????? ? ???????)?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> ?????, ????? ??? ????? ?????? ??? ?? ????, ????? ???, ??? ???????  
>> ?????.
>> >> Simne ????? ???????, ??? ??????? ????? ????????????, ????? ??? ??????
>> >> ????-??, ? ???? ?????, ???????? ????? ?? ???? ?????????? ????????. ?
>> >> ?????, ????? ??????? ????? ?????? ??? ????? ???????, ????? ?????
>> >> ???????????? ? ???????.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ?.
>> >> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
>


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From s.gulko at gmail.com  Tue Jul 20 01:11:31 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (Serg V. Gulko)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 11:11:31 +0300
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??? ???? ???????, ? ???? ??????????? ? ?????-?? ???????. ? ??????, ???
Perl ?????????? ??????? ???? ??? ??????? ???????????? ?????, ? ???????
???????????? ? ??????? php ???????? ?????? ??????, ??? ? ?????-?? ??????
???? ??????? ??????? ??????? ??? ????????. 
??? ????? ???????, ??? ????????? ? perl 5 ????? ?????? ?? ????????? ?
php? ?? ??????????? ??????????? ?????? ?????? ?????????? ???? ?? ?????
??????????? ?? ?????????? ? ??????? ?? ???????? ??????????? ????????
?????? ?? ??????? ??????? ??????????? ? ?????????? ??????? ????(??
?????, ????????? ??? ??? freelance). 

? ???, 20/07/2010 ? 11:02 +0300, Vladimir Vasilenko ?????:

> ?????, ?? - ?????????? (??? ??????? ??????????), ? ? - ??????????,  
> ????????? Perl, ? ??? ????? ???????? ????? ?????? ????????????.
> 
> ??????? ?????? ????? ? ???, ??? ???????????? ????? "?? ??????" ?????? -  
> ??? ???? ??? ???, ??? ??? ???????, ? ????? - ????. ? ??, ???? ????????????  
> Perl-hosting, ? ????? ???????? ?????? ????? ??????? ??????? VDS, ??? ???  
> (???????? ? ?????, ???????) ????????? ???? ??, ??? ???????, ? ?????  
> ??????????.
> 
> ???????????? ???????: ????????? Perl (?, ??????, php ??? ??:-) ?????? ????  
> ????????? ??????, ? ????? ??, ?????? ????? ??? ??????? ??????????. ????-??  
> ??? ???????? ???? ?????? "?????????????? Perl, PHP.
> 
> ??? ?????? ????? ???? ??????????? "?????????????" ?????? ?????, ???????  
> ??? ????? ????? ? ?????? ?????, ????? ????, ??????? ???-?? ??????????, ?  
> ?? ? ????? ???? ????
> 
> IMHO - ?????? ??? ???? ????????? ??????  ? ???? Perl ??? ??? ????????????  
> ???, ??? ???? ????? ? ????? "?????????? ????? ? ???????"
> 
> 
> ?.
> 
> On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 10:18:29 +0300, Serg V. Gulko <s.gulko at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
> 
> > ? ??? ??????? ??? ?????-?? ??????? ???? ??? ?? ???????? ??????, ???
> > ??????? ????????? PCH ???? ????????? ? ????? ????????????? Perl ? ??
> > ????? ????. ??????? ?? ?????? ????? ??? ? ????????. ???????? ????????? ?
> > ?????????? ? ???? ???????? ???????? ?????? ?? ?????????? ????????????
> > perl.
> > ??????? ?????? - ? ???? ???? ?????? ?????????? ???? ?? Drupal. ??
> > ???????? ?????, ????? ??????????? ?? ????????????, ????? ?? ?? ????????
> > ?? ???????? ????? ???? ???????, ??????????? ????? 90%. ? ????? ?? ??????
> > ????????, ???? ??????? ???????-?????????????? ????? ???????????
> > ?????????? ?? Perl(??? ?????? ? ???????)?
> >
> >
> >
> >> ?????, ????? ??? ????? ?????? ??? ?? ????, ????? ???, ??? ??????? ?????.
> >> Simne ????? ???????, ??? ??????? ????? ????????????, ????? ??? ??????
> >> ????-??, ? ???? ?????, ???????? ????? ?? ???? ?????????? ????????. ?
> >> ?????, ????? ??????? ????? ?????? ??? ????? ???????, ????? ?????
> >> ???????????? ? ???????.
> >>
> >>
> >> ?.
> >> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/


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From: jeltoesolnce at aol.com (Vladimir Vasilenko)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 11:02:33 +0300
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?????, ?? - ?????????? (??? ??????? ??????????), ? ? - ??????????,  
????????? Perl, ? ??? ????? ???????? ????? ?????? ????????????.

??????? ?????? ????? ? ???, ??? ???????????? ????? "?? ??????" ?????? -  
??? ???? ??? ???, ??? ??? ???????, ? ????? - ????. ? ??, ???? ????????????  
Perl-hosting, ? ????? ???????? ?????? ????? ??????? ??????? VDS, ??? ???  
(???????? ? ?????, ???????) ????????? ???? ??, ??? ???????, ? ?????  
??????????.

???????????? ???????: ????????? Perl (?, ??????, php ??? ??:-) ?????? ????  
????????? ??????, ? ????? ??, ?????? ????? ??? ??????? ??????????. ????-??  
??? ???????? ???? ?????? "?????????????? Perl, PHP.

??? ?????? ????? ???? ??????????? "?????????????" ?????? ?????, ???????  
??? ????? ????? ? ?????? ?????, ????? ????, ??????? ???-?? ??????????, ?  
?? ? ????? ???? ????

IMHO - ?????? ??? ???? ????????? ??????  ? ???? Perl ??? ??? ????????????  
???, ??? ???? ????? ? ????? "?????????? ????? ? ???????"


?.

On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 10:18:29 +0300, Serg V. Gulko <s.gulko at gmail.com>  
wrote:

> ? ??? ??????? ??? ?????-?? ??????? ???? ??? ?? ???????? ??????, ???
> ??????? ????????? PCH ???? ????????? ? ????? ????????????? Perl ? ??
> ????? ????. ??????? ?? ?????? ????? ??? ? ????????. ???????? ????????? ?
> ?????????? ? ???? ???????? ???????? ?????? ?? ?????????? ????????????
> perl.
> ??????? ?????? - ? ???? ???? ?????? ?????????? ???? ?? Drupal. ??
> ???????? ?????, ????? ??????????? ?? ????????????, ????? ?? ?? ????????
> ?? ???????? ????? ???? ???????, ??????????? ????? 90%. ? ????? ?? ??????
> ????????, ???? ??????? ???????-?????????????? ????? ???????????
> ?????????? ?? Perl(??? ?????? ? ???????)?
>
>
>
>> ?????, ????? ??? ????? ?????? ??? ?? ????, ????? ???, ??? ??????? ?????.
>> Simne ????? ???????, ??? ??????? ????? ????????????, ????? ??? ??????
>> ????-??, ? ???? ?????, ???????? ????? ?? ???? ?????????? ????????. ?
>> ?????, ????? ??????? ????? ?????? ??? ????? ???????, ????? ?????
>> ???????????? ? ???????.
>>
>>
>> ?.
>> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
>


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From agnislav at gmail.com  Tue Jul 20 00:24:11 2010
From: agnislav at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JDQs9C90LjRgdC70LDQsiDQntC90YPRhNGA0LjQudGH0YPQug==?=)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 10:24:11 +0300
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> ? ????? ?? ?????? ????????, ????
> ??????? ???????-?????????????? ????? ??????????? ?????????? ?? Perl(???
> ?????? ? ???????)?
>
???! ??? ??? - ??????, ?????????? ???????? ???????!!! ?????? ????
????? ???? ?????? ? ?????????? =) .

From s.gulko at gmail.com  Tue Jul 20 00:18:29 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (Serg V. Gulko)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 10:18:29 +0300
Subject: =?koi8-r?Q?=F0=D2=CF=C5=CB=D4?= "Perl Certified Hosting"
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? ??? ??????? ??? ?????-?? ??????? ???? ??? ?? ???????? ??????, ???
??????? ????????? PCH ???? ????????? ? ????? ????????????? Perl ? ??
????? ????. ??????? ?? ?????? ????? ??? ? ????????. ???????? ????????? ?
?????????? ? ???? ???????? ???????? ?????? ?? ?????????? ????????????
perl. 
??????? ?????? - ? ???? ???? ?????? ?????????? ???? ?? Drupal. ??
???????? ?????, ????? ??????????? ?? ????????????, ????? ?? ?? ????????
?? ???????? ????? ???? ???????, ??????????? ????? 90%. ? ????? ?? ??????
????????, ???? ??????? ???????-?????????????? ????? ???????????
?????????? ?? Perl(??? ?????? ? ???????)? 



> ?????, ????? ??? ????? ?????? ??? ?? ????, ????? ???, ??? ??????? ?????.  
> Simne ????? ???????, ??? ??????? ????? ????????????, ????? ??? ??????  
> ????-??, ? ???? ?????, ???????? ????? ?? ???? ?????????? ????????. ?  
> ?????, ????? ??????? ????? ?????? ??? ????? ???????, ????? ?????  
> ???????????? ? ???????.
> 
> 
> ?.
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From s.gulko at gmail.com  Tue Jul 20 00:12:03 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (Serg V. Gulko)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 10:12:03 +0300
Subject: =?koi8-r?Q?=F0=D2=CF=C5=CB=D4?= "Perl Certified Hosting"
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??? ????????? ???? ???? ?? Gabor-? ???????????? ???????????? Perl
Foundation:
http://blogs.perl.org/users/gabor_szabo/2010/07/what-would-you-like-tpf-to-do.html

? ???, 20/07/2010 ? 09:12 +0300, vti ?????:

> ?????, ??? ????? ???????????? ?????? ???? Perl Foundation. ? ???? ??,
> ??? ????? ???????????? ?????? ?? ??? ????. ????? ????, ??? ?????
> ????????? ????????? ????????????. ????????, ??? ?????? Gabor Szabo: ??
> ????????? ?????? ?? ?? Perl ???????????? ?? ????? ???? ? ??????????
> Perl. ? ??? ??? ?? full time ??????.
> 
> 20 ???? 2010 ?. 2:26 ???????????? simne <simne007 at gmail.com> ???????:
> > On 20 ???, 01:02, "s.gu... at gmail.com" <s.gu... at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> ??? ??? ?????????? ????? ? ????????, ?????????? ??????, ???????????
> >> ???????? ????? ????? ? ?????? ??????, ???????????? ??????? ??????
> >> ?????? ???? ???????? ??????, ? ??????????? ???????? ???????????, ???
> >> ?? ????? ?????????? ???? ?????????? ?? ????????? ?????? ??????? ???
> >> ??????(?????? ?????????? ???????????) ??????? ?? ?????????? ? ???.
> >> ?????????? ??? ??????????? ????? ? ??? ? user space.
> > [skip]
> >> ??? ????? ????????? ????? ?????? ??????? ?? ?????? ?????
> >
> > ? ????? ???? ????? ?????? ?? ? ???, ??? ????? ??? ??????, ? ? ???,
> > ????? ??? ??? ?????, ? ? ????? ???? ?? ????? ??? ????????.
> > ????? ?????????? ?????????????????? ????????, ??? ???? ?????????????
> > ??????? ? ?????? ??????? ???? ?? 3???$ ? "?????????? ??????????
> > ??????????" ?? 50???$.
> >
> > ??????????, ??? ??????????????? ????????.
> > ????????? ??????????????? ?????? ?????? ? ??????? ??????.
> >
> > ????????, ????? ????? ????? ??????????? ???? ??????????? ???????? ????
> > ?????? (???????????? ?? ????????????), ???? ?????????????? ???? ?
> > ???????????? ? ??????? ??????????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ??????
> > ???????? ???? ????? ??? ?????????????? ????? ?? ??????? ????
> > ??????????? ????, ????? (??? ????????????? ??????-?? ?????? ?????????)
> > ??? ?????? ??????? ????.
> > ??????, ????? ???????????, ??? ?????? ??? ????? ???????????? Joomla -
> > ??? ???? ???? Joomla ????? ???????, ? ? ??? ???-?? ????? ??????? ??
> > ???????? ???? ???????? ?????????? - ???????? ??-?? ?????????????
> > ?????????? (?????????????), ?? ???? ????????? ?? ????? ??????? ???????
> > ??????, ??????? ????????? ???????????? ????? ???? ? ??????? ?
> > ??????????? ?????????? ? ?????????? ?????? ???????? ? ??????? ?????.
> > ? ? ??????? ?????, ??? ??? ??????? (??? ???????????? ?? ??????????
> > Joomla) ?????? ????-?? ???????? ? Joomla opensource ;)
> >
> > ?????? ??????? - ????? ??????????? ??? ????????? ??????????
> > ????????????? ???????? ??? ?????????? ?? ??????? ?????????, ??????
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From: jeltoesolnce at aol.com (Vladimir Vasilenko)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 09:49:03 +0300
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On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 09:12:22 +0300, vti <viacheslav.t at gmail.com> wrote:

> ?????, ??? ????? ???????????? ?????? ???? Perl Foundation. ? ???? ??,
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From viacheslav.t at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 23:12:22 2010
From: viacheslav.t at gmail.com (vti)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 09:12:22 +0300
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPDSz8XL1CAiUGVybCBDZXJ0aWZpZWQgSG9zdGluZyI=?=
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?????, ??? ????? ???????????? ?????? ???? Perl Foundation. ? ???? ??,
??? ????? ???????????? ?????? ?? ??? ????. ????? ????, ??? ?????
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????????? ?????? ?? ?? Perl ???????????? ?? ????? ???? ? ??????????
Perl. ? ??? ??? ?? full time ??????.

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From jeltoesolnce at aol.com  Mon Jul 19 22:29:32 2010
From: jeltoesolnce at aol.com (Vladimir Vasilenko)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 08:29:32 +0300
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From simne007 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 16:26:55 2010
From: simne007 at gmail.com (simne)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 16:26:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPDSz8XL1CAiUGVybCBDZXJ0aWZpZWQgSG9zdGluZyI=?=
In-Reply-To: <e6d54a86-470a-4c08-9663-1a22277c3609@e5g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>
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On 20 ???, 01:02, "s.gu... at gmail.com" <s.gu... at gmail.com> wrote:
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From s.gulko at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 15:02:38 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (s.gulko at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 15:02:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?8NLPxcvUICJQZXJsIENlcnRpZmllZCBIb3N0aW5nIg==?=
Message-ID: <e6d54a86-470a-4c08-9663-1a22277c3609@e5g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>

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?????????? ??????? Lyle Hopkins ????????? ??? ????? ??????????
???????? ???? ??????. ???-??? ???? ???????, ?? ??? ??? ?????????
?????????? ?????? ??????? ? 2008-?? ????, ????? ??????, ??? ?? ?? ????
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????? ?????????? ?????? ?? Lyle:

I think we can achieve a lot together. Before it was pretty much me
by
myself, I think with your help others that joined the list will come
to
life. I want to redesign the site, I've gone off TWiki, I want to
give
it a much better look and feel.
If you could announce yourself to the list, we can continue the
conversation there and openly discuss all the jobs that need doing.
I've
just checked and there are 16 on the list, I think more will pitch in
once things get moving :)

From simne at yandex.ru  Thu Jul 22 04:21:36 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 15:21:36 +0400
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?UmU6IObM1cQpLg==?=
In-Reply-To: <op.vf8keiwqt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>
References: <121851279720980@web152.yandex.ru> <E1ObZwx-0004m5-2k@ffe9.ukr.net> <566781279734809@web58.yandex.ru> <AANLkTimp9FLf5jP3MHxPqsPx5GVYSSRt4Gtv3wvXTMma@mail.gmail.com> <4C47DD34.1010905@ali.org.ua> <op.vf8keiwqt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>
Message-ID: <40751279797696@web90.yandex.ru>


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22.07.10, 12:26, "Vladimir Vasilenko" <jeltoesolnce at aol.com>:

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From jeltoesolnce at aol.com  Thu Jul 22 01:26:32 2010
From: jeltoesolnce at aol.com (Vladimir Vasilenko)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 11:26:32 +0300
Subject: =?utf-8?B?0KTQu9GD0LQpLg==?=
In-Reply-To: <4C47DD34.1010905@ali.org.ua>
References: <121851279720980@web152.yandex.ru>
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Message-ID: <op.vf8keiwqt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>

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From jeltoesolnce at aol.com  Wed Jul 28 00:42:43 2010
From: jeltoesolnce at aol.com (Vladimir Vasilenko)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:42:43 +0300
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? - ?? ????????: ?????? ?? ???????? ????? ? ????????? ? "?????",  
"????????", :-)


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From jeltoesolnce at aol.com  Wed Jul 28 09:35:17 2010
From: jeltoesolnce at aol.com (Vladimir Vasilenko)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:35:17 +0300
Subject: Bricolage
In-Reply-To: <236501280334627@web108.yandex.ru>
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??, ??????? ????????????? Perl ?????? ????????????, ??????? ? ? ???????).  
??? ???????? ?????????? ? ?????????????, ?? ????? ?????? ????????  
?????????? ???????, ??? ???? ??????? ???? ?? ???? ?????).


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On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:30:27 +0300, Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru> wrote:

> ??? ? ??? ?????????????
>
> - ??? ??? ????: http://lib.ru/TALES/MIHALKOW/korova.txt
>
> 28.07.10, 18:20, "Vladimir Vasilenko" <jeltoesolnce at aol.com>:
>> ? "???????????" Bricolage, ??????????, ??-?? ????, ??? ??? ??????????
>>  ?????? ??? ?????????. ???? ??????? ?????? ??? ?????????? ? "??????????"
>>  ??????, ??????? ???? ??????????. ????? ???? make install ?  
>> ???????????????
>>  ???????, ??? ????????? ?????? ???????, ? ???? ? ?????? ??? ???????????
>>  ????, ?? ????? ????.
>>
>>  ??????, ? ?? ???? ???????????, ?????? ???, ???? ????-?? ?????????? ????
>>  ??? ????? ????, ? ?? ????, ???? ? ???????????.
>>
>>  ?????? ???? ??? ???????????.
>>
>>
>>  ?.
>>
>>    ? On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 17:11:19 +0300, Sergeev Serge
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  > ?????, ?????? ????????? ???????.
>>  > ????????? ?????: ???-?? ?????? ???????? ??? ???????? :)))))
>>  >
>>  > - ???-?? ??? ????????????, ? ??????????? ?????? ???? ?????, ??? ?????
>>  > Perl :)))
>>  >
>>  > ???? ????????, ?? ?????? ?????? ????? ??????, ??? ????? ??? ???
>>  > ?????????.
>>  > ? ????? ?????? ????? ??? ??? ??? ????? ????????????.
>>  >
>>  > ? ??? ??? ??? ?????????? ????????, ?????????? ?????????????? ??????  
>> ??
>>  > ???????????? ??????????..
>>  >
>>  > 28.07.10, 16:59, "Vladimir Vasilenko" :
>>  >> ????????, ????????? ????-???? ?????????? ?????


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From simne at yandex.ru  Wed Jul 28 09:30:27 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 20:30:27 +0400
Subject: Bricolage
In-Reply-To: <op.vgj4rv2dt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>
References: <op.vgj005o3t0v7kw@gray.homenetwork> <117591280326279@web151.yandex.ru> <op.vgj4rv2dt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>
Message-ID: <236501280334627@web108.yandex.ru>


??? ? ??? ?????????????

- ??? ??? ????: http://lib.ru/TALES/MIHALKOW/korova.txt

28.07.10, 18:20, "Vladimir Vasilenko" <jeltoesolnce at aol.com>:
> ? "???????????" Bricolage, ??????????, ??-?? ????, ??? ??? ??????????  
>  ?????? ??? ?????????. ???? ??????? ?????? ??? ?????????? ? "??????????"  
>  ??????, ??????? ???? ??????????. ????? ???? make install ? ???????????????  
>  ???????, ??? ????????? ?????? ???????, ? ???? ? ?????? ??? ???????????  
>  ????, ?? ????? ????.
>  
>  ??????, ? ?? ???? ???????????, ?????? ???, ???? ????-?? ?????????? ????  
>  ??? ????? ????, ? ?? ????, ???? ? ???????????.
>  
>  ?????? ???? ??? ???????????.
>  
>  
>  ?.
>  
>    ? On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 17:11:19 +0300, Sergeev Serge   
>  wrote:
>  
>  > ?????, ?????? ????????? ???????.
>  > ????????? ?????: ???-?? ?????? ???????? ??? ???????? :)))))
>  >
>  > - ???-?? ??? ????????????, ? ??????????? ?????? ???? ?????, ??? ?????  
>  > Perl :)))
>  >
>  > ???? ????????, ?? ?????? ?????? ????? ??????, ??? ????? ??? ???  
>  > ?????????.
>  > ? ????? ?????? ????? ??? ??? ??? ????? ????????????.
>  >
>  > ? ??? ??? ??? ?????????? ????????, ?????????? ?????????????? ?????? ??  
>  > ???????????? ??????????..
>  >
>  > 28.07.10, 16:59, "Vladimir Vasilenko" :
>  >> ????????, ????????? ????-???? ?????????? ?????


From jeltoesolnce at aol.com  Wed Jul 28 07:20:09 2010
From: jeltoesolnce at aol.com (Vladimir Vasilenko)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 17:20:09 +0300
Subject: Bricolage
In-Reply-To: <117591280326279@web151.yandex.ru>
References: <op.vgj005o3t0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>
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Message-ID: <op.vgj4rv2dt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>

? "???????????" Bricolage, ??????????, ??-?? ????, ??? ??? ??????????  
?????? ??? ?????????. ???? ??????? ?????? ??? ?????????? ? "??????????"  
??????, ??????? ???? ??????????. ????? ???? make install ? ???????????????  
???????, ??? ????????? ?????? ???????, ? ???? ? ?????? ??? ???????????  
????, ?? ????? ????.

??????, ? ?? ???? ???????????, ?????? ???, ???? ????-?? ?????????? ????  
??? ????? ????, ? ?? ????, ???? ? ???????????.

?????? ???? ??? ???????????.


?.

  ? On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 17:11:19 +0300, Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru>  
wrote:

> ?????, ?????? ????????? ???????.
> ????????? ?????: ???-?? ?????? ???????? ??? ???????? :)))))
>
> - ???-?? ??? ????????????, ? ??????????? ?????? ???? ?????, ??? ?????  
> Perl :)))
>
> ???? ????????, ?? ?????? ?????? ????? ??????, ??? ????? ??? ???  
> ?????????.
> ? ????? ?????? ????? ??? ??? ??? ????? ????????????.
>
> ? ??? ??? ??? ?????????? ????????, ?????????? ?????????????? ?????? ??  
> ???????????? ??????????..
>
> 28.07.10, 16:59, "Vladimir Vasilenko" <jeltoesolnce at aol.com>:
>> ????????, ????????? ????-???? ?????????? ?????


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From simne at yandex.ru  Wed Jul 28 07:11:19 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:11:19 +0400
Subject: Bricolage
In-Reply-To: <op.vgj005o3t0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>
References: <op.vgj005o3t0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>
Message-ID: <117591280326279@web151.yandex.ru>


?????, ?????? ????????? ???????.
????????? ?????: ???-?? ?????? ???????? ??? ???????? :)))))

- ???-?? ??? ????????????, ? ??????????? ?????? ???? ?????, ??? ????? Perl :)))

???? ????????, ?? ?????? ?????? ????? ??????, ??? ????? ??? ??? ?????????.
? ????? ?????? ????? ??? ??? ??? ????? ????????????.

? ??? ??? ??? ?????????? ????????, ?????????? ?????????????? ?????? ?? ???????????? ??????????..

28.07.10, 16:59, "Vladimir Vasilenko" <jeltoesolnce at aol.com>:
> ????????, ????????? ????-???? ?????????? ?????


From jeltoesolnce at aol.com  Wed Jul 28 05:59:19 2010
From: jeltoesolnce at aol.com (Vladimir Vasilenko)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:59:19 +0300
Subject: Bricolage
Message-ID: <op.vgj005o3t0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>

????????, ????????? ????-???? ?????????? ?????


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From ali at ali.org.ua  Wed Jul 28 09:00:04 2010
From: ali at ali.org.ua (Oleg Alistratov)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:00:04 +0300
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On 28.07.2010 18:40, s.gulko at gmail.com wrote:

> ????? ?? ????????, ??? ????? ????? ???? Class::Singleton ? ??????????,
> ?????????? ??? FastCGI?

?? ?????????? ????????? Class::Singleton, ?? ????? ?????????? ??????
(???????, ?? ????, ???????? ) ????????? ????? ??? FastCGI.

?? ???? ????????? ??????? ? ? ????? ?????????? ?? ??????????.

?????? ????, ??? ???-?????? ????? ????????? ????????? 
FastCGI-????????????; ? ??????? ?? ??? ????? ???? ????????? ??????????.

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From s.gulko at gmail.com  Wed Jul 28 08:40:31 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (s.gulko at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 08:40:31 -0700 (PDT)
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????? ?? ????????, ??? ????? ????? ???? Class::Singleton ? ??????????,
?????????? ??? FastCGI?

From simne at yandex.ru  Sat Jul 31 10:30:03 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 21:30:03 +0400
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?UmU6IFJlOiBSZTogUmU6IFJlOiBSZTogUmU6IFJlOiDw0s/Fy9QgIlBlcmwgQ2VydGlmaWVkIEhvc3Rp?=
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??? ?????? ???? ??????????, ? ????? ????????? ???????? mojowka, ?? ????, ? ? ????-?? ????? ?????????? ???????? ????????? ??????????????? ???? ?????????/????????????.

31.07.10, 18:01, "vti" <viacheslav.t at gmail.com>:
> ??.
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>  http://github.com/shoorick/mojowka
>  
>  ???? ? ????? ?????????? ???? :)
>  
>  2010/7/31 ??????? ???????? :
>  >
>  >
>  > 2010/7/31 Serg V. Gulko 
>  >>
>  >> ???????? mojowka, ????? ?? ????? 3000. ????, ???? ??? ?? VDS ??????????
>  >> ??????? ??????? ?? ???????? ????
>  >
>  > ? ????? ??? ?????? ??? ????????, ????????? ??? ??? ????? ??? mojowka) ???
>  > ?????? ??? wiki?


From simne at yandex.ru  Sat Jul 31 08:59:53 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 19:59:53 +0400
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?UmU6IFJlOiBSZTogUmU6IFJlOiBSZTogUmU6IFJlOiDw0s/Fy9QgIlBlcmwgQ2VydGlmaWVkIEhvc3Rp?=
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???????!
?????? ?? ?????? ?? ?????? ???????? ?????????? ? ??? ???? ????? ?????? ??????.

31.07.10, 17:56, "Serg V. Gulko" <s.gulko at gmail.com>:
> ???????? mojowka, ????? ?? ????? 3000. ????, ???? ??? ?? VDS ?????????? ??????? ??????? ?? ???????? ????
> 
> ? ???, 31/07/2010 ? 15:34 +0300, Vladimir Vasilenko ?????:
> > On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 15:22:53 +0300, Serg V. Gulko <s.gulko at gmail.com> wrote:??, ??????????? ??????????, ????? ???, ????? ????, ?????????????, ????? ???????????? ?? Wiki ???? Mojovka (simne ???????? ??????? ?????????????? ???????), ? ??? ?? ??? ???????? ??? ???????????? ??????? ????? ??????????: ?????????? ????????????? ??????. ? ?????? ????, ??? ??????, ?? ??? ??????, ? ?????-?? ?????? ? ?????? ????????). ?.
> PCH - ??? ???? ?? ??????? ??????????? Perl, ??? ??????.
> ??? ??? ???????, ??????? ????? ??? ????????? ??????? ? ??????? ?????
> ???-?? ?????? ?? ??? ? ???????????????? ???-?? ????.
> ?? ????????? ?????? ?????? ?? ???? - ??? ????????? ??? twiki. ???????
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> ???????????? ?????? ???????.
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> '??? ?? ????? ????????????? ??'. ?? ??? ?? ?????, ??????? ?????? ?
> ??????????.


From viacheslav.t at gmail.com  Sat Jul 31 07:01:00 2010
From: viacheslav.t at gmail.com (vti)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 17:01:00 +0300
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IFJlOiBSZTogUmU6IFJlOiBSZTogUmU6IPDSz8XL1CAiUGVybCBDZXJ0aQ==?=
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??.

http://github.com/shoorick/mojowka

???? ? ????? ?????????? ???? :)

2010/7/31 ??????? ???????? <notformat at gmail.com>:
>
>
> 2010/7/31 Serg V. Gulko <s.gulko at gmail.com>
>>
>> ???????? mojowka, ????? ?? ????? 3000. ????, ???? ??? ?? VDS ??????????
>> ??????? ??????? ?? ???????? ????
>
> ? ????? ??? ?????? ??? ????????, ????????? ??? ??? ????? ????mojowka) ???
> ?????? ??? wiki?
>
> --
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>

From notformat at gmail.com  Sat Jul 31 06:59:36 2010
From: notformat at gmail.com (=?KOI8-R?B?5dfHxc7JyiDrwdLQxc7Lzw==?=)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 17:59:36 +0400
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2010/7/31 Serg V. Gulko <s.gulko at gmail.com>

>  ???????? mojowka, ????? ?? ????? 3000. ????, ???? ??? ?? VDS ??????????
> ??????? ??????? ?? ???????? ????
>
? ????? ??? ?????? ??? ????????, ????????? ??? ??? ????? ??? mojowka) ???
?????? ??? wiki?

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From: s.gulko at gmail.com (Serg V. Gulko)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 16:56:12 +0300
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 ???????? mojowka, ????? ?? ????? 3000. ????, ???? ??? ?? VDS ??????????
??????? ??????? ?? ???????? ????

? ???, 31/07/2010 ? 15:34 +0300, Vladimir Vasilenko ?????:

> On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 15:22:53 +0300, Serg V. Gulko <s.gulko at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
> 
> ??, ??????????? ??????????, ????? ???, ????? ????, ?????????????, ?????  
> ???????????? ?? Wiki ???? Mojovka (simne ???????? ??????? ??????????????  
> ???????), ? ??? ?? ??? ???????? ??? ???????????? ??????? ????? ??????????:  
> ?????????? ????????????? ??????. ? ?????? ????, ??? ??????, ?? ??? ??????,  
> ? ?????-?? ?????? ? ?????? ????????).
> 
> 
> 	?.
> > PCH - ??? ???? ?? ??????? ??????????? Perl, ??? ??????.
> > ??? ??? ???????, ??????? ????? ??? ????????? ??????? ? ??????? ?????
> > ???-?? ?????? ?? ??? ? ???????????????? ???-?? ????.
> > ?? ????????? ?????? ?????? ?? ???? - ??? ????????? ??? twiki. ???????
> > ?????????? ? ??????? ??? ??????????? ?? ??? ????? ?????? ??????, ???
> > ???????????? ?????? ???????.
> > ???????? ??????? ?????? - ?????? ????????? ???????? ?????, ????? ?????
> > ???????? ? ??????????? ? ??????? ??????. ??????? ??????, ? ??????? ? ???
> > ?????????? - ZenCart. ??? ????? ???????????? ??? ?????? ??? ??????? -
> > '??? ?? ????? ????????????? ??'. ?? ??? ?? ?????, ??????? ?????? ?
> > ??????????.
> >
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From jeltoesolnce at aol.com  Sat Jul 31 05:34:52 2010
From: jeltoesolnce at aol.com (Vladimir Vasilenko)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 15:34:52 +0300
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On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 15:22:53 +0300, Serg V. Gulko <s.gulko at gmail.com>  
wrote:

??, ??????????? ??????????, ????? ???, ????? ????, ?????????????, ?????  
???????????? ?? Wiki ???? Mojovka (simne ???????? ??????? ??????????????  
???????), ? ??? ?? ??? ???????? ??? ???????????? ??????? ????? ??????????:  
?????????? ????????????? ??????. ? ?????? ????, ??? ??????, ?? ??? ??????,  
? ?????-?? ?????? ? ?????? ????????).


	?.
> PCH - ??? ???? ?? ??????? ??????????? Perl, ??? ??????.
> ??? ??? ???????, ??????? ????? ??? ????????? ??????? ? ??????? ?????
> ???-?? ?????? ?? ??? ? ???????????????? ???-?? ????.
> ?? ????????? ?????? ?????? ?? ???? - ??? ????????? ??? twiki. ???????
> ?????????? ? ??????? ??? ??????????? ?? ??? ????? ?????? ??????, ???
> ???????????? ?????? ???????.
> ???????? ??????? ?????? - ?????? ????????? ???????? ?????, ????? ?????
> ???????? ? ??????????? ? ??????? ??????. ??????? ??????, ? ??????? ? ???
> ?????????? - ZenCart. ??? ????? ???????????? ??? ?????? ??? ??????? -
> '??? ?? ????? ????????????? ??'. ?? ??? ?? ?????, ??????? ?????? ?
> ??????????.
>


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From s.gulko at gmail.com  Sat Jul 31 05:22:53 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (Serg V. Gulko)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 15:22:53 +0300
Subject: =?koi8-r?Q?=F0=D2=CF=C5=CB=D4?= "Perl
 Certified Hosting"
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? ???, 30/07/2010 ? 22:05 +0300, Vladimir Vasilenko ?????:

> ?????. ?????? ?? ???????? ????? ???? ??????? ?? ????? Perl, ?????????  
> ?????? ???? ? ???????? ??? ???????: ????? ???????? ????? ?????????? ??????  
> - ?? ???????????? ??????? ????????? ????? ??????????, ???? ?????????  
> ???????????? ????????
> 
> 

PCH - ??? ???? ?? ??????? ??????????? Perl, ??? ??????. 
??? ??? ???????, ??????? ????? ??? ????????? ??????? ? ??????? ?????
???-?? ?????? ?? ??? ? ???????????????? ???-?? ????. 
?? ????????? ?????? ?????? ?? ???? - ??? ????????? ??? twiki. ???????
?????????? ? ??????? ??? ??????????? ?? ??? ????? ?????? ??????, ???
???????????? ?????? ???????. 
???????? ??????? ?????? - ?????? ????????? ???????? ?????, ????? ?????
???????? ? ??????????? ? ??????? ??????. ??????? ??????, ? ??????? ? ???
?????????? - ZenCart. ??? ????? ???????????? ??? ?????? ??? ??????? -
'??? ?? ????? ????????????? ??'. ?? ??? ?? ?????, ??????? ?????? ?
??????????. 
 
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From jeltoesolnce at aol.com  Fri Jul 30 12:05:30 2010
From: jeltoesolnce at aol.com (Vladimir Vasilenko)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 22:05:30 +0300
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?????. ?????? ?? ???????? ????? ???? ??????? ?? ????? Perl, ?????????  
?????? ???? ? ???????? ??? ???????: ????? ???????? ????? ?????????? ??????  
- ?? ???????????? ??????? ????????? ????? ??????????, ???? ?????????  
???????????? ????????


	?.

Fri, 30 Jul 2010 15:01:29 +0300, Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru> wrote:

> 30.07.10, 11:05, "Vladimir Vasilenko" <jeltoesolnce at aol.com>:
>> ??????? ?? ???????.
>
> ?? ?? ???. ?????? ??? ???????? ???? ????????? ;)
>
>>  ??, ?????????: "...? ??????? ???????? Perl _?_????????_ ???????????  
>> ?????
>>  ??????????? ????????..." - ???????? ????? ????? "? ????????". ?? ????,  
>> ???
>>  ????, ????? ???????? ??????????, ???????? ???????? ? ????????? ?????. ?
>>  ????? ??????, ??? ???????, ???????? ?? ?????????, ???????? ?? "??????  
>> ??,
>>  ??? ???????", ? ? ????????? ??????????????? Perl ????? ???????????
>>  ?????????.
>
> ? ??? ?????? ???????? ? ?????? - ?? ????? ?? ???????, ??? ??? ???????  
> Perl.
> ?? ???? ???? ????? ?????? Perl - ??????? ????????, ? ?? ?? ????????, ?  
> ?? ???? ?????? - ?????? Perl ;)
>
>>  ????? ????, ??????????, ??????????? ??? ??? ?????:
>>  > ??? ????? ????? ??????????, ? ?????? ??? ????? ??????????  
>> ????????????
>>  > ?? ??????-?? ?????????? ???????? ???????, ? ?????????? ????  
>> ??????????
>>  > ?????????? Perl.
>>  ? ????????? ??? ? ???: ???? ????????? ?????????? ??? ?????? ?????????
>>  ???????? ? ??????????? ???????, ? ?????????? ?? ??? ?????, ?? ? ?????
>>  ?????????? Perl ????? ???? ?????
>
> ?? ???? ???? ?????????-???????????, ?? ??? ?????????? ?????? ????.
> - ??????? ????????? ??? ???? ?????????, ???????? ??? ?????? ??????????,  
> ??? ????, ?? ? ??????? ? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ??????  
> ???????????? (?????? ??????????????? ???????? ? ????????, ?? ?  
> ?????????? ??????? ????).
> ?? ? ????? ???????, ??? ??? ? ????? ??????, ??? ?????????? ??????? ????  
> ????? ????????? ?? ??????, ? ? ???? ??? ???? ?????? ??????????  
> ???????????? ?????? ???????????.
>
> ? ??????????/?????????????? ??????? ????????, ?? ??? ???????? ??????  
> ????????? ????? ?????? ???????????? ?? ??-?? ?????, ?? ???? ????? ????  
> ?????? ?????/???????, ???? ?????? ?????????? ???????, ???? ??? ??????.
> ????-?? ???? ??????? ?????????, ?? ????? ????? ?????? ?????????.
>
>>  ? ?????????,
>>  ????????.
>
> ? ???????? ?????????,
> ??????.


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From notformat at gmail.com  Fri Jul 30 11:20:46 2010
From: notformat at gmail.com (=?KOI8-R?B?5dfHxc7JyiDrwdLQxc7Lzw==?=)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 22:20:46 +0400
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2010/7/30 Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru>

> 30.07.10, 11:05, "Vladimir Vasilenko" <jeltoesolnce at aol.com>:
> > ??????? ?? ???????.
>
> ?? ?? ???. ?????? ??? ???????? ???? ????????? ;)
>
> >  ??, ?????????: "...? ??????? ???????? Perl _?_????????_ ???????????
> ?????
> >  ??????????? ????????..." - ???????? ????? ????? "? ????????". ?? ????,
> ???
> >  ????, ????? ???????? ??????????, ???????? ???????? ? ????????? ?????. ?
> >  ????? ??????, ??? ???????, ???????? ?? ?????????, ???????? ?? "??????
> ??,
> >  ??? ???????", ? ? ????????? ??????????????? Perl ????? ???????????
> >  ?????????.
>
> ? ??? ?????? ???????? ? ?????? - ?? ????? ?? ???????, ??? ??? ??????? Perl.
> ?? ???? ???? ????? ?????? Perl - ??????? ????????, ? ?? ?? ????????, ? ??
> ???? ?????? - ?????? Perl ;)
>
> >  ????? ????, ??????????, ??????????? ??? ??? ?????:
> >  > ??? ????? ????? ??????????, ? ?????? ??? ????? ?????????? ????????????
> >  > ?? ??????-?? ?????????? ???????? ???????, ? ?????????? ???? ??????????
> >  > ?????????? Perl.
> >  ? ????????? ??? ? ???: ???? ????????? ?????????? ??? ?????? ?????????
> >  ???????? ? ??????????? ???????, ? ?????????? ?? ??? ?????, ?? ? ?????
> >  ?????????? Perl ????? ???? ?????
>
> ?? ???? ???? ?????????-???????????, ?? ??? ?????????? ?????? ????.
> - ??????? ????????? ??? ???? ?????????, ???????? ??? ?????? ??????????, ???
> ????, ?? ? ??????? ? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ??????
> ???????????? (?????? ??????????????? ???????? ? ????????, ?? ? ??????????
> ??????? ????).
> ?? ? ????? ???????, ??? ??? ? ????? ??????, ??? ?????????? ??????? ????
> ????? ????????? ?? ??????, ? ? ???? ??? ???? ?????? ?????????? ????????????
> ?????? ???????????.
>
> ? ??????????/?????????????? ??????? ????????, ?? ??? ???????? ??????
> ????????? ????? ?????? ???????????? ?? ??-?? ?????, ?? ???? ????? ????
> ?????? ?????/???????, ???? ?????? ?????????? ???????, ???? ??? ??????.
> ????-?? ???? ??????? ?????????, ?? ????? ????? ?????? ?????????.
>
> >  ? ?????????,
> >  ????????.
>
> ? ???????? ?????????,
> ??????.
>


?????????? ??????, ??? ?????? ?????????, ????????????? ? ?????????? ?????
????? ???????? ?????.
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From simne at yandex.ru  Fri Jul 30 05:01:29 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:01:29 +0400
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?UmU6IFJlOiBSZTogUmU6IFJlOiBSZTogUmU6IPDSz8XL1CAiUGVybCBDZXJ0aWZpZWQgSG9zdGluZyI=?=
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30.07.10, 11:05, "Vladimir Vasilenko" <jeltoesolnce at aol.com>:
> ??????? ?? ???????.

?? ?? ???. ?????? ??? ???????? ???? ????????? ;)

>  ??, ?????????: "...? ??????? ???????? Perl _?_????????_ ??????????? ?????  
>  ??????????? ????????..." - ???????? ????? ????? "? ????????". ?? ????, ???  
>  ????, ????? ???????? ??????????, ???????? ???????? ? ????????? ?????. ?  
>  ????? ??????, ??? ???????, ???????? ?? ?????????, ???????? ?? "?????? ??,  
>  ??? ???????", ? ? ????????? ??????????????? Perl ????? ???????????  
>  ?????????.

? ??? ?????? ???????? ? ?????? - ?? ????? ?? ???????, ??? ??? ??????? Perl.
?? ???? ???? ????? ?????? Perl - ??????? ????????, ? ?? ?? ????????, ? ?? ???? ?????? - ?????? Perl ;)

>  ????? ????, ??????????, ??????????? ??? ??? ?????:
>  > ??? ????? ????? ??????????, ? ?????? ??? ????? ?????????? ????????????  
>  > ?? ??????-?? ?????????? ???????? ???????, ? ?????????? ???? ??????????  
>  > ?????????? Perl.
>  ? ????????? ??? ? ???: ???? ????????? ?????????? ??? ?????? ?????????  
>  ???????? ? ??????????? ???????, ? ?????????? ?? ??? ?????, ?? ? ?????  
>  ?????????? Perl ????? ???? ?????

?? ???? ???? ?????????-???????????, ?? ??? ?????????? ?????? ????.
- ??????? ????????? ??? ???? ?????????, ???????? ??? ?????? ??????????, ??? ????, ?? ? ??????? ? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ?????? ???????????? (?????? ??????????????? ???????? ? ????????, ?? ? ?????????? ??????? ????).
?? ? ????? ???????, ??? ??? ? ????? ??????, ??? ?????????? ??????? ???? ????? ????????? ?? ??????, ? ? ???? ??? ???? ?????? ?????????? ???????????? ?????? ???????????.

? ??????????/?????????????? ??????? ????????, ?? ??? ???????? ?????? ????????? ????? ?????? ???????????? ?? ??-?? ?????, ?? ???? ????? ???? ?????? ?????/???????, ???? ?????? ?????????? ???????, ???? ??? ??????.
????-?? ???? ??????? ?????????, ?? ????? ????? ?????? ?????????.

>  ? ?????????,
>  ????????.

? ???????? ?????????,
??????.


From jeltoesolnce at aol.com  Fri Jul 30 00:05:41 2010
From: jeltoesolnce at aol.com (Vladimir Vasilenko)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:05:41 +0300
Subject: =?utf-8?B?UmU6IFJlOiBSZTogUmU6IFJlOiDQn9GA0L7QtdC60YIgIlBlcmwgQ2VydGk=?=
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??????? ?? ???????.

??, ?????????: "...? ??????? ???????? Perl _?_????????_ ??????????? ?????  
??????????? ????????..." - ???????? ????? ????? "? ????????". ?? ????, ???  
????, ????? ???????? ??????????, ???????? ???????? ? ????????? ?????. ?  
????? ??????, ??? ???????, ???????? ?? ?????????, ???????? ?? "?????? ??,  
??? ???????", ? ? ????????? ??????????????? Perl ????? ???????????  
?????????.

????? ????, ??????????, ??????????? ??? ??? ?????:
> ??? ????? ????? ??????????, ? ?????? ??? ????? ?????????? ????????????  
> ?? ??????-?? ?????????? ???????? ???????, ? ?????????? ???? ??????????  
> ?????????? Perl.
? ????????? ??? ? ???: ???? ????????? ?????????? ??? ?????? ?????????  
???????? ? ??????????? ???????, ? ?????????? ?? ??? ?????, ?? ? ?????  
?????????? Perl ????? ???? ?????


? ?????????,
????????.

On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 03:37:47 +0300, Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru> wrote:

> 29.07.10, 11:10, "Vladimir Vasilenko" :
>> ? ?????????? ???? "?????? ????? ??????" ??? ???????????
>
> ??, ???.
> ???? ? ????? ?????? - ?? ???????????? Perl, ? ???? ???????? ?? ??????  
> ?????, ??? ???? ? ?????? ???????????? ? ???????? ?????????? ???????.
> ??????????????, ?????? ?? ??????? ????????? ??????? - ?? ??????? ?????  
> ????????????? ? ??? ?????? ? ???.
>
>>  ? ? ???: ??? ?????????? ???? ????? ????????? ???, ??? ??????, ??, ????
>>  "??????" ???? ? ??????????? Perl ? ?????????? Perl, ?? ?????, IMHO,
>>  ?????????? ? ??? ? ??? - ?????????? ????????? ?????????? ?????:
>>   - ?? ?????? ??, ??? ???????? ???, ?????? ???, ??? ???????? ??? ?
>>  ???????????? ?? "??????????? ?????");
>>   - ?? ???? ???????????? ???????, ????????? ? ????, ?, ? ??????  
>> ?????????
>>  ?????????????, ????????? ??????????? ??????;
>>   - ?? ????? ?? ?????? ?????????????? ????? ? ??????????  
>> ?????????????????,
>>  ?????????? ?????????? ? ?????????? ?????????, "???????" ???,  
>> ????????????
>>  ???????? (????????, ?????? ????????? ?? ?????? ????? "??? ????") ????
>>  ?????????? ???????.
>
> ???? ? ???, ??? ??????????????? Perl, ?????? ? ????? ?????? ? ????????,  
> ????????? ?????????? ??? ??? ????.
>
>>  ??? ?????????? Bricolage (http://bricolagecms.org): Perl, (modperl),
>>  PostgreSQL, ?????????? ???????? BSD. ????????? ?????????????? ??? ???:
>>  http://bricolage.lighthouseapp.com/projects/29601/tickets/188-bricolage-apache-itk_2215
>
> ??, "?? ???? ? ????..", ?? ?????? ?????..
> ?? ?? ?????? ????????? ???????????????, ??????? ???????????? ??  
> ????????? ?????? ?????????????.
>
>>  ? ?????????? ?????? ??????????? ????????, ????? ???, ???????:
>>
>>  > - ???? twiki ?????? ???????? ????? ????? ???-?? mojowka ?????????  
>> ????
>>  > ??????? ??????, ?? ? ????? ??? ????? ?????? ? ? ??????? ??????? - ??
>>  > ???? ??? ??? ??????? ??? ??????????? Perl, ? ????? ???? ?? ?????????
>>  > ???????, ??????? ????? ??????????????, ????? ? ???????  
>> ??????????????, ?
>>  > ???????? ??????????.
>>
>>  ? ??????? ???????? Perl ? ???????? ??????????? ????? ???????????  
>> ????????
>>  php ? ???????? ? ??????????????? ????????? ? "???????", ? ????? "?????  
>> ?
>>  ??????" ? ?? ????????? ?? ????????? ?? ?????-?? ????? ?????:-).
>
> "?? ?? ?????? ?????? - ?? ?????? ?? ?????? ?? ????????!" (?)
> ?????????, ???? ?? ??????????? ??? ?????? ???????????? ????? ???????????  
> ?????????? - ?????? ?????????, ???? ?? ????? ???????? ??????, ?????  
> ??????? ? ????????? ????????????.
> - ????????? ???????? "?????", ? ?? ???? ??????? ??? ?????????? - Perl  
> ??? ?????????? ?????????? ??????????? PHP ?? ????????, ?? ? ? ?????????  
> ? ???? ??? ? ???????.
>
> PS ??????, ? ???? ???????????? ???????????, ??? ?? ?????? ?? ?????????  
> ????????? ?????? ????????? ????.
> - ?????? ??? ???????? ?????? ?????? - ????????????? ??????????? ???  
> ????? ???????? ????? (????????) ?????, ?????????? ?? ??? ??? ?????  
> ?????? ???????? (?????, ???????, ???????).
> ? ??? ????? ?????????? ????? ????? ????? "?????? ??? ??? ????, ?? ????  
> ???? ??????? ??????? ? ?? 5 ????? ????????".
> ? ??? ??? ??? ???? Perl ? ???, ??? ??????? ?? ????? ?????????? ? ????, ?  
> ???? ????? ?????? ??????????? - Catalyst, Mojo, ???. ??????, ???????  
> ?????????????? Perl, ????????? ??????? ????? ????????? ???????? ?????  
> ?????? ? ? ???????????? ????????? ????????.
>
> ????? ? ?? ????? ?? ???? PHP ????????????, ????????? ???????? ? Catalyst  
> ? Mojo.
> ? ? ?????, ??? ? PHP ?????? ? ?? ????? ?????????, ?????? ??? ?????????  
> ?????? - ??? ? ??? ???? ?? ????????? ????????? ????? ??? ? Perl, ?  
> ?????????? ?????? ??????? ??????.
>
> ?? PHP ???????? ?????? ?? ??????? ???????? - ?? ???? ??????? ?????????,  
> ???? ????? ??????? ??????????, ?????????? ????? ??????? ???????, ? ?????  
> ? ??????? ???? ???????? ??? ????? ????? ????????????.
> ? ? Perl ????? ??????? ??????? ???? ???????/??? ?????? ?? ????????  
> ???????????, ? ??????? ?????? ?????? ??????? ???????.
> ??????????, ?????????? PHP - ??????? ?????????? (? ????????? ? Perl),  
> ???????????? ? ???????????, ?????? ??? ??? ?????????? ????? ?? ????????  
> ????? ????????????, ? ? Perl ???????? - ???????? ?????????? ????? (?  
> ?????????? ???????????? ?????????), ??????? ? ????, ??? ?? ????? ????  
> ??????? Perl ??? ??? - ???? ????? ????? ??????? (!!!!) ?????????  
> ????????? ???, ????? ?? ??????? ??????? ?????????? ????? ???.
> ?? ???? ??????????, ? ?????????? ????? ??????? ???? ???? ???? PHP ? ????  
> ?? ??????? ???? ?????? ???????? Perl:
> 1. ??????????, ?? ?? ???? ??? ????????????, ????????? ? ????? ? ?????????
> 2,3 - ????????? ?????? ???, ????? ??? class:accessormaker,  
> Class::MethodMaker, Object::InsideOut
> 4. Moose/Mouse - ?????? ??? ???? 5 ??????????, ?? ???? ????? ??????  
> ????? ?? ????? ? ????? ?? ?????? :-/
>
> ?? ? ????? ???-?? ??????? ?? ?????, ?? ??? ?? ??????????, ??? ????? ????  
> ?????? ??????????? ?????? ??? ?????, ?????? ??? ??????????????  
> ?????????? ??????????? ???????.
>
> ??? ????? ????? ??????????, ? ?????? ??? ????? ?????????? ????????????  
> ?? ??????-?? ?????????? ???????? ???????, ? ?????????? ???? ??????????  
> ?????????? Perl.
>
>>  ?.
>>
>>  On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 22:52:55 +0300, Sergeev Serge  wrote:
>>
>>  > ??????? ?? ??????.
>>  >
>>  > ???-?? ??? ???????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ????????????? ?????? (???
>>  > ????????? ?????????) ;)
>>  >
>>  > ????? ? ???? ??????????? ?????:
>>  > 1. ?????? ?????? ?????????? ????? ??????????? ??????????????, ??????  
>> ???
>>  > ?????-???? ????????????? ??????????? ??????? ???, ?????? ?? ???
>>  > ????????????? ??????????, ????? ?????-?? ????? ????????? ??????????.
>>  > ????????, ? htpasswd ??? ????????? ?????????????? ??????? ??????? ?
>>  > ????????? ??????, ?? ?????? ??? ? ??????????? ??????? ??????????????  
>> ??
>>  > ????? ??? ??????????? ???????; ??????????? ????? ??-?? ? ?
>>  > mod_auth_ldap/mod_auth_mysql..
>>  > ? ???? ???????? ?????????????? ??? ??????? ????????, ?? ????? ?????  
>> ????
>>  > ?????? ?????????? ????????, ????? ???? ? ???? ????????.
>>  > ?????-??, ?????????? ?????????????? ????????? ?????? ?????-?? ??  
>> ??????
>>  > ??????????? ?????? ?????? - ? ??? ??? ???-?? htpasswd ??????????? ??
>>  > ????????? ??????? ???????? logout, ?? ?????????? basic  
>> authentification
>>  > ??? ? ?? ???? ???????? ?? ????????? ??????.
>>  > 2. ???? ??????? ???????????? ??? ???????? ?????????? ??????????, ? ?
>>  > ?????? ??????? ?????? ?? ??? ?????????? ????? ????? - ??????,  
>> ???????,
>>  > ??????????? ???????.
>>  > ??? ????? ???????? ??????? ? ?????????? ?????????? ???????  
>> ????????????
>>  > ????????? ???? (memcached).
>>  > ??, ??? ????????: ???????? ???? ??? ? ?????? ????????? ???????  
>> ?????-??
>>  > ????? ?????? ?????????? ????? ????, ?? ?????? ????????? ??????????,  
>> ???
>>  > ???? ????? ???????.
>>  > 3. ????????????? ??????? ?????????? ??? ?????? ????????? ?????? ????
>>  > ????????, ?? ?? ???????? ???? ?????????? ?????? ????? ?? ????, ?  
>> ??????
>>  > ??????? ????? ??? ????????? ?? ????????? ????? ??????????  
>> ??????????????.
>>  >
>>  > ?? ???? ? ?????, ??? twiki ??? ??? ????? ???, ??? ?????? ?????? ???
>>  > ????????, ?? ? ?? ????? ????? ???????? ?? ???? ???????, ?? ? ???
>>  > ????????? ??????? ????? ???????? ???????? ? ??????? ?????  
>> ???????????,
>>  > ?? ????? ????? ???, ????????? ? ????, ?????? ?????? ???? ???  
>> ??????????
>>  > - ?????? ??? ???????? ?????? ???????????? ???????????, ????? ???
>>  > ???????? LAMP.
>>  >
>>  > - ???? twiki ?????? ???????? ????? ????? ???-?? mojowka ?????????  
>> ????
>>  > ??????? ??????, ?? ? ????? ??? ????? ?????? ? ? ??????? ??????? - ??
>>  > ???? ??? ??? ??????? ??? ??????????? Perl, ? ????? ???? ?? ?????????
>>  > ???????, ??????? ????? ??????????????, ????? ? ???????  
>> ??????????????, ?
>>  > ???????? ??????????.
>>  >
>>  > ??, ? ?????? ??????????, ? ??????? ? ??????, ?????? ???????? ???
>>  > ???????, ??? ??? ??? ????????? ????? ???????:
>>  > 1. ?????? ??????????? ????????????? ?????? ?????? ?????????? ???????
>>  > ???????, ? ?? ??? ??????? ????? ????????? ?????? ???????.
>>  > 2. ??????? ??????????? ??????? ?????? ?????? ???????????? ????????
>>  > ??????? ?? ??????????? ??????? ??? ?? ?????????? ?/???  
>> ??????-????????,
>>  > ? ??? ??? ????? ????????????? ?? ?????? ?????.
>>  > 3. ??????? ??????????? (??????????), ?????? ????? ??????? ??????????
>>  > ???????, ????? ??????? ???-?? ?????? ???? ? ????, ??? ??????????????
>>  > ?????????? ??? ???? ??????????? ? ?????? ??????. ? ??? ??? ??????? ??
>>  > ???????? ???????? ???????? ??-?? CMS, ? ???????? "???????? ?
>>  > ???????????? ?????", ??????? ???????? ? ???? ? ??????????? ? ????????
>>  > ????? ? ??? ??????, ?????? ?? ????, ??? ????? ???? ????? ?????? ?
>>  > ????????? ?????-???????????? CMS.
>>  >
>>  > ?? ???? ???? ?? ???? ????????????? twiki ????????????, ???-?? ?????
>>  > ??????? ?????? ? ???????????? ?????????? Perl, ?? ? ??? ? ??????
>>  > ????????????? twiki ? ??????-??????.


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From simne at yandex.ru  Thu Jul 29 17:37:47 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 04:37:47 +0400
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?UmU6IFJlOiBSZTogUmU6IFJlOiBSZTog8NLPxcvUICJQZXJsIENlcnRpZmllZCBIb3N0aW5nIg==?=
Message-ID: <11511280450267@web79.yandex.ru>


29.07.10, 11:10, "Vladimir Vasilenko" :
> ? ?????????? ???? "?????? ????? ??????" ??? ???????????

??, ???.
???? ? ????? ?????? - ?? ???????????? Perl, ? ???? ???????? ?? ?????? ?????, ??? ???? ? ?????? ???????????? ? ???????? ?????????? ???????.
??????????????, ?????? ?? ??????? ????????? ??????? - ?? ??????? ????? ????????????? ? ??? ?????? ? ???.

>  ? ? ???: ??? ?????????? ???? ????? ????????? ???, ??? ??????, ??, ????  
>  "??????" ???? ? ??????????? Perl ? ?????????? Perl, ?? ?????, IMHO,  
>  ?????????? ? ??? ? ??? - ?????????? ????????? ?????????? ?????:
>  	- ?? ?????? ??, ??? ???????? ???, ?????? ???, ??? ???????? ??? ?  
>  ???????????? ?? "??????????? ?????");
>  	- ?? ???? ???????????? ???????, ????????? ? ????, ?, ? ?????? ?????????  
>  ?????????????, ????????? ??????????? ??????;
>  	- ?? ????? ?? ?????? ?????????????? ????? ? ?????????? ?????????????????,  
>  ?????????? ?????????? ? ?????????? ?????????, "???????" ???, ????????????  
>  ???????? (????????, ?????? ????????? ?? ?????? ????? "??? ????") ????  
>  ?????????? ???????.

???? ? ???, ??? ??????????????? Perl, ?????? ? ????? ?????? ? ????????, ????????? ?????????? ??? ??? ????.

>  ??? ?????????? Bricolage (http://bricolagecms.org): Perl, (modperl),  
>  PostgreSQL, ?????????? ???????? BSD. ????????? ?????????????? ??? ???:  
>  http://bricolage.lighthouseapp.com/projects/29601/tickets/188-bricolage-apache-itk_2215

??, "?? ???? ? ????..", ?? ?????? ?????..
?? ?? ?????? ????????? ???????????????, ??????? ???????????? ?? ????????? ?????? ?????????????.

>  ? ?????????? ?????? ??????????? ????????, ????? ???, ???????:
>  
>  > - ???? twiki ?????? ???????? ????? ????? ???-?? mojowka ????????? ????  
>  > ??????? ??????, ?? ? ????? ??? ????? ?????? ? ? ??????? ??????? - ??  
>  > ???? ??? ??? ??????? ??? ??????????? Perl, ? ????? ???? ?? ?????????  
>  > ???????, ??????? ????? ??????????????, ????? ? ??????? ??????????????, ?  
>  > ???????? ??????????.
>  
>  ? ??????? ???????? Perl ? ???????? ??????????? ????? ??????????? ????????  
>  php ? ???????? ? ??????????????? ????????? ? "???????", ? ????? "????? ?  
>  ??????" ? ?? ????????? ?? ????????? ?? ?????-?? ????? ?????:-).

"?? ?? ?????? ?????? - ?? ?????? ?? ?????? ?? ????????!" (?)
?????????, ???? ?? ??????????? ??? ?????? ???????????? ????? ??????????? ?????????? - ?????? ?????????, ???? ?? ????? ???????? ??????, ????? ??????? ? ????????? ????????????.
- ????????? ???????? "?????", ? ?? ???? ??????? ??? ?????????? - Perl ??? ?????????? ?????????? ??????????? PHP ?? ????????, ?? ? ? ????????? ? ???? ??? ? ???????.

PS ??????, ? ???? ???????????? ???????????, ??? ?? ?????? ?? ????????? ????????? ?????? ????????? ????.
- ?????? ??? ???????? ?????? ?????? - ????????????? ??????????? ??? ????? ???????? ????? (????????) ?????, ?????????? ?? ??? ??? ????? ?????? ???????? (?????, ???????, ???????).
? ??? ????? ?????????? ????? ????? ????? "?????? ??? ??? ????, ?? ???? ???? ??????? ??????? ? ?? 5 ????? ????????".
? ??? ??? ??? ???? Perl ? ???, ??? ??????? ?? ????? ?????????? ? ????, ? ???? ????? ?????? ??????????? - Catalyst, Mojo, ???. ??????, ??????? ?????????????? Perl, ????????? ??????? ????? ????????? ???????? ????? ?????? ? ? ???????????? ????????? ????????.

????? ? ?? ????? ?? ???? PHP ????????????, ????????? ???????? ? Catalyst ? Mojo.
? ? ?????, ??? ? PHP ?????? ? ?? ????? ?????????, ?????? ??? ????????? ?????? - ??? ? ??? ???? ?? ????????? ????????? ????? ??? ? Perl, ? ?????????? ?????? ??????? ??????.

?? PHP ???????? ?????? ?? ??????? ???????? - ?? ???? ??????? ?????????, ???? ????? ??????? ??????????, ?????????? ????? ??????? ???????, ? ????? ? ??????? ???? ???????? ??? ????? ????? ????????????.
? ? Perl ????? ??????? ??????? ???? ???????/??? ?????? ?? ???????? ???????????, ? ??????? ?????? ?????? ??????? ???????.
??????????, ?????????? PHP - ??????? ?????????? (? ????????? ? Perl), ???????????? ? ???????????, ?????? ??? ??? ?????????? ????? ?? ???????? ????? ????????????, ? ? Perl ???????? - ???????? ?????????? ????? (? ?????????? ???????????? ?????????), ??????? ? ????, ??? ?? ????? ???? ??????? Perl ??? ??? - ???? ????? ????? ??????? (!!!!) ????????? ????????? ???, ????? ?? ??????? ??????? ?????????? ????? ???.
?? ???? ??????????, ? ?????????? ????? ??????? ???? ???? ???? PHP ? ???? ?? ??????? ???? ?????? ???????? Perl:
1. ??????????, ?? ?? ???? ??? ????????????, ????????? ? ????? ? ?????????
2,3 - ????????? ?????? ???, ????? ??? class:accessormaker, Class::MethodMaker, Object::InsideOut
4. Moose/Mouse - ?????? ??? ???? 5 ??????????, ?? ???? ????? ?????? ????? ?? ????? ? ????? ?? ?????? :-/

?? ? ????? ???-?? ??????? ?? ?????, ?? ??? ?? ??????????, ??? ????? ???? ?????? ??????????? ?????? ??? ?????, ?????? ??? ?????????????? ?????????? ??????????? ???????.

??? ????? ????? ??????????, ? ?????? ??? ????? ?????????? ???????????? ?? ??????-?? ?????????? ???????? ???????, ? ?????????? ???? ?????????? ?????????? Perl.

>  ?.
>  
>  On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 22:52:55 +0300, Sergeev Serge  wrote:
>  
>  > ??????? ?? ??????.
>  >
>  > ???-?? ??? ???????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ????????????? ?????? (???  
>  > ????????? ?????????) ;)
>  >
>  > ????? ? ???? ??????????? ?????:
>  > 1. ?????? ?????? ?????????? ????? ??????????? ??????????????, ?????? ???  
>  > ?????-???? ????????????? ??????????? ??????? ???, ?????? ?? ???  
>  > ????????????? ??????????, ????? ?????-?? ????? ????????? ??????????.
>  > ????????, ? htpasswd ??? ????????? ?????????????? ??????? ??????? ?  
>  > ????????? ??????, ?? ?????? ??? ? ??????????? ??????? ?????????????? ??  
>  > ????? ??? ??????????? ???????; ??????????? ????? ??-?? ? ?  
>  > mod_auth_ldap/mod_auth_mysql..
>  > ? ???? ???????? ?????????????? ??? ??????? ????????, ?? ????? ????? ????  
>  > ?????? ?????????? ????????, ????? ???? ? ???? ????????.
>  > ?????-??, ?????????? ?????????????? ????????? ?????? ?????-?? ?? ??????  
>  > ??????????? ?????? ?????? - ? ??? ??? ???-?? htpasswd ??????????? ??  
>  > ????????? ??????? ???????? logout, ?? ?????????? basic authentification  
>  > ??? ? ?? ???? ???????? ?? ????????? ??????.
>  > 2. ???? ??????? ???????????? ??? ???????? ?????????? ??????????, ? ?  
>  > ?????? ??????? ?????? ?? ??? ?????????? ????? ????? - ??????, ???????,  
>  > ??????????? ???????.
>  > ??? ????? ???????? ??????? ? ?????????? ?????????? ??????? ????????????  
>  > ????????? ???? (memcached).
>  > ??, ??? ????????: ???????? ???? ??? ? ?????? ????????? ??????? ?????-??  
>  > ????? ?????? ?????????? ????? ????, ?? ?????? ????????? ??????????, ???  
>  > ???? ????? ???????.
>  > 3. ????????????? ??????? ?????????? ??? ?????? ????????? ?????? ????  
>  > ????????, ?? ?? ???????? ???? ?????????? ?????? ????? ?? ????, ? ??????  
>  > ??????? ????? ??? ????????? ?? ????????? ????? ?????????? ??????????????.
>  >
>  > ?? ???? ? ?????, ??? twiki ??? ??? ????? ???, ??? ?????? ?????? ???  
>  > ????????, ?? ? ?? ????? ????? ???????? ?? ???? ???????, ?? ? ???  
>  > ????????? ??????? ????? ???????? ???????? ? ??????? ????? ???????????,  
>  > ?? ????? ????? ???, ????????? ? ????, ?????? ?????? ???? ??? ??????????  
>  > - ?????? ??? ???????? ?????? ???????????? ???????????, ????? ???  
>  > ???????? LAMP.
>  >
>  > - ???? twiki ?????? ???????? ????? ????? ???-?? mojowka ????????? ????  
>  > ??????? ??????, ?? ? ????? ??? ????? ?????? ? ? ??????? ??????? - ??  
>  > ???? ??? ??? ??????? ??? ??????????? Perl, ? ????? ???? ?? ?????????  
>  > ???????, ??????? ????? ??????????????, ????? ? ??????? ??????????????, ?  
>  > ???????? ??????????.
>  >
>  > ??, ? ?????? ??????????, ? ??????? ? ??????, ?????? ???????? ???  
>  > ???????, ??? ??? ??? ????????? ????? ???????:
>  > 1. ?????? ??????????? ????????????? ?????? ?????? ?????????? ???????  
>  > ???????, ? ?? ??? ??????? ????? ????????? ?????? ???????.
>  > 2. ??????? ??????????? ??????? ?????? ?????? ???????????? ????????  
>  > ??????? ?? ??????????? ??????? ??? ?? ?????????? ?/??? ??????-????????,  
>  > ? ??? ??? ????? ????????????? ?? ?????? ?????.
>  > 3. ??????? ??????????? (??????????), ?????? ????? ??????? ??????????  
>  > ???????, ????? ??????? ???-?? ?????? ???? ? ????, ??? ??????????????  
>  > ?????????? ??? ???? ??????????? ? ?????? ??????. ? ??? ??? ??????? ??  
>  > ???????? ???????? ???????? ??-?? CMS, ? ???????? "???????? ?  
>  > ???????????? ?????", ??????? ???????? ? ???? ? ??????????? ? ????????  
>  > ????? ? ??? ??????, ?????? ?? ????, ??? ????? ???? ????? ?????? ?  
>  > ????????? ?????-???????????? CMS.
>  >
>  > ?? ???? ???? ?? ???? ????????????? twiki ????????????, ???-?? ?????  
>  > ??????? ?????? ? ???????????? ?????????? Perl, ?? ? ??? ? ??????  
>  > ????????????? twiki ? ??????-??????.


From notformat at gmail.com  Sat Jul 31 10:08:14 2010
From: notformat at gmail.com (noTformaT)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 10:08:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: test
In-Reply-To: <0f27b07f-20ad-405a-9776-00451152c828@z10g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>
References: <225121280533736@web131.yandex.ru> <AANLkTi=tr6=fyAYiG_x_UQxz+X07b8T5Tv4ZBhZ_a2JM@mail.gmail.com> 
	<3c74a01b-df2b-4317-932c-29d93bfbfe09@w31g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> 
	<1280578474.2050.6.camel@localhost> <AANLkTikxu2CW5ByL8An7WAsKZqDbHXTcbfspYFGrR3sM@mail.gmail.com> 
	<0f27b07f-20ad-405a-9776-00451152c828@z10g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>
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On 31 ???, 18:06, yko <ykors... at gmail.com> wrote:
> ???... ???, ??????, ????, ?????????, ... ?? ????, ???????????? ?????
> ??? ???, ????? ?????. ?? ????, ??? ??? ???? ?????.

???? ??? ??? ????? ?? ????? ?????? ??? ?????? ??????? ?? Perl -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyLqUf4cdwc

From notformat at gmail.com  Sat Jul 31 07:08:07 2010
From: notformat at gmail.com (=?KOI8-R?B?5dfHxc7JyiDrwdLQxc7Lzw==?=)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 18:08:07 +0400
Subject: test
In-Reply-To: <0f27b07f-20ad-405a-9776-00451152c828@z10g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>
References: <225121280533736@web131.yandex.ru>
	<AANLkTi=tr6=fyAYiG_x_UQxz+X07b8T5Tv4ZBhZ_a2JM@mail.gmail.com>
	<3c74a01b-df2b-4317-932c-29d93bfbfe09@w31g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>
	<1280578474.2050.6.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTikxu2CW5ByL8An7WAsKZqDbHXTcbfspYFGrR3sM@mail.gmail.com>
	<0f27b07f-20ad-405a-9776-00451152c828@z10g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikKAd_WTU2KOe3qxfwm5XC66XkYGPQQEj0s+2vv@mail.gmail.com>

31 ???? 2010 ?. 18:06 ???????????? yko <ykorshak at gmail.com> ???????:

> ???... ???, ??????, ????, ?????????, ... ?? ????, ???????????? ?????
> ??? ???, ????? ?????. ?? ????, ??? ??? ???? ?????.


????????? ?????)))))
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From ykorshak at gmail.com  Sat Jul 31 07:06:29 2010
From: ykorshak at gmail.com (yko)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 07:06:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: test
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikxu2CW5ByL8An7WAsKZqDbHXTcbfspYFGrR3sM@mail.gmail.com>
References: <225121280533736@web131.yandex.ru> <AANLkTi=tr6=fyAYiG_x_UQxz+X07b8T5Tv4ZBhZ_a2JM@mail.gmail.com> 
	<3c74a01b-df2b-4317-932c-29d93bfbfe09@w31g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> 
	<1280578474.2050.6.camel@localhost> <AANLkTikxu2CW5ByL8An7WAsKZqDbHXTcbfspYFGrR3sM@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0f27b07f-20ad-405a-9776-00451152c828@z10g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>

???... ???, ??????, ????, ?????????, ... ?? ????, ???????????? ?????
??? ???, ????? ?????. ?? ????, ??? ??? ???? ?????.

From viacheslav.t at gmail.com  Sat Jul 31 06:12:19 2010
From: viacheslav.t at gmail.com (vti)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 16:12:19 +0300
Subject: test
In-Reply-To: <1280578474.2050.6.camel@localhost>
References: <225121280533736@web131.yandex.ru>
	<AANLkTi=tr6=fyAYiG_x_UQxz+X07b8T5Tv4ZBhZ_a2JM@mail.gmail.com>
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? ???? ???????? ????????, ??????? ????? ????????? ? ???????????
????????? ????????? ???.

31 ???? 2010??. 15:14 ???????????? Serg V. Gulko <s.gulko at gmail.com> ???????:
> ????? ? ??? ? ??? ????? ???-?? ?????? ?? ???? ??????????.....
>
> ? ???, 31/07/2010 ? 04:20 -0700, MoRtiy ?????:
>
> ???????????. ???? ?? ???????? ????????.
> ??? ???? ? ??? Sandora. ?????. :)
>
> On 31 ???, 07:47, ??????? ???????? <notfor... at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 31 ???? 2010 ?. 3:48 ???????????? Sergeev Serge <si... at yandex.ru> ???????:
>>
>> > ?????????, ??? ?????? ???? ???????????? Perl, ? ? ????? ???????????..
>>
>> ????????)))) ?? ? ???? ?????, ?? ? ?? ???????? ???????? ???????.
>>
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>> -????? ????? ???????? ????????? ??????, ??? ??????? ?????????????...
>> -????
>> -??????, ??????? ?? ???, ??? ???? ?????????? ? ??????? ?????...
>
>

From s.gulko at gmail.com  Sat Jul 31 05:14:34 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (Serg V. Gulko)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 15:14:34 +0300
Subject: test
In-Reply-To: <3c74a01b-df2b-4317-932c-29d93bfbfe09@w31g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>
References: <225121280533736@web131.yandex.ru>
	 <AANLkTi=tr6=fyAYiG_x_UQxz+X07b8T5Tv4ZBhZ_a2JM@mail.gmail.com>
	 <3c74a01b-df2b-4317-932c-29d93bfbfe09@w31g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <1280578474.2050.6.camel@localhost>

????? ? ??? ? ??? ????? ???-?? ?????? ?? ???? ??????????.....

? ???, 31/07/2010 ? 04:20 -0700, MoRtiy ?????:

> ???????????. ???? ?? ???????? ????????.
> ??? ???? ? ??? Sandora. ?????. :)
> 
> On 31 ???, 07:47, ??????? ???????? <notfor... at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 31 ???? 2010 ?. 3:48 ???????????? Sergeev Serge <si... at yandex.ru> ???????:
> >
> > > ?????????, ??? ?????? ???? ???????????? Perl, ? ? ????? ???????????..
> >
> >  ???????)))) ?? ? ???? ?????, ?? ? ?? ???????? ???????? ???????.
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> > -????? ????? ???????? ????????? ??????, ??? ??????? ?????????????...
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From mortiy at gmail.com  Sat Jul 31 04:20:08 2010
From: mortiy at gmail.com (MoRtiy)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 04:20:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: test
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> 31 ???? 2010 ?. 3:48 ???????????? Sergeev Serge <si... at yandex.ru> ???????:
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From notformat at gmail.com  Fri Jul 30 21:47:47 2010
From: notformat at gmail.com (=?KOI8-R?B?5dfHxc7JyiDrwdLQxc7Lzw==?=)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 08:47:47 +0400
Subject: test
In-Reply-To: <225121280533736@web131.yandex.ru>
References: <225121280533736@web131.yandex.ru>
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31 ???? 2010 ?. 3:48 ???????????? Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru> ???????:

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From simne at yandex.ru  Fri Jul 30 16:48:55 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 03:48:55 +0400
Subject: test
Message-ID: <225121280533736@web131.yandex.ru>


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From simne at yandex.ru  Sat Jul 31 18:20:16 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 05:20:16 +0400
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?UmU6IPTF09Qg0NLPydrXz8TJ1MXM2M7P09TJIMbSxcrN18/Sy8/X?=
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01.08.10, 02:16, "s.gulko at gmail.com" <s.gulko at gmail.com>:
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From s.gulko at gmail.com  Sat Jul 31 15:16:04 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (s.gulko at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 15:16:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?9MXT1CDQ0s/J2tfPxMnUxczYzs/T1MkgxtLF?=
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