From simne at yandex.ru  Thu Aug 12 10:07:19 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
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PS ???????, ??? ????? ??????? ? ??? Perl6 ? ??? Parrot, ? ???? ????????? ???.
??????, ??? Perl6 ??? ???????? ???????? ?????????, ? ??? ?? Parrot ? ???? ??????????? ??? ?????? ???????.
?? ???????? ? ??? Parrot, ? ??? ????????? - ???????? ??, ?? ??? ? #define ?? #define ????? ? #define ???????? :-(

12.08.10, 20:02, "Sergeev Serge" <simne at yandex.ru>:
> 12.08.10, 17:44, "Alex Varyanick" :
>  > 2010/8/12 Sergeev Serge :
>  >  >
>  >  > ????????, ?????????? ???? ????? ?????? - ??? ?? ???????? ??????????? ???????? ? Perl6 - ??? ?????? ???????? ??????? ???? ???????, ??????? ????? ?????? ? ?? ???? ??? ?? ?????? ??????? ?????????.
>  >  
>  >  ?? ? ??????? ????????????? ????????? ????????, ? ??? ??? pack &
>  >  unpack, masak ????? ? ???????, ?????? ???????????? pack & unpack
>  
>  ? ??????, pack/unpack ? Perl6 ????? ?????? ?????????? ?? Perl5?
>  ? ?? ??? ????????
>  
>  >  ?????? ?????? ????? ?????? ????.
>  
>  ??, ? ??? ????????, ??? ? ??????? ??????-????, ??????? ????? ??????? ??????? ;)
>  
>  ?? ??? ????? ?????? - ????? ??????????? ?????? ????????? ??????, ???? ???? ???  ?????? ?????, ?? ????? ????? ????????????? ? ??? ???????.
>  
>  ?????? ??? ???-?? ????? ?????????? - ????? ?? ??? ??? ??? ??????? ?????? ????????????, ????? ?????? ?????? ????????? ??? ?????? ?? ????????, ? ? ??????????? ???????? ???????, ?????????? ????? ????? ???? ?? ???????? ? ???? ?????????? ???????? ???????? (??? ??? ? ??? ?????????, ? ??? ????? ??????? ?????????????? ????).
>  
>  ??????, ? ??? ?????? Perl6?


From simne at yandex.ru  Thu Aug 12 09:02:39 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 20:02:39 +0400
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12.08.10, 17:44, "Alex Varyanick" <q at cono.org.ua>:
> 2010/8/12 Sergeev Serge :
>  >
>  > ????????, ?????????? ???? ????? ?????? - ??? ?? ???????? ??????????? ???????? ? Perl6 - ??? ?????? ???????? ??????? ???? ???????, ??????? ????? ?????? ? ?? ???? ??? ?? ?????? ??????? ?????????.
>  
>  ?? ? ??????? ????????????? ????????? ????????, ? ??? ??? pack &
>  unpack, masak ????? ? ???????, ?????? ???????????? pack & unpack

? ??????, pack/unpack ? Perl6 ????? ?????? ?????????? ?? Perl5?
? ?? ??? ????????

>  ?????? ?????? ????? ?????? ????.

??, ? ??? ????????, ??? ? ??????? ??????-????, ??????? ????? ??????? ??????? ;)

?? ??? ????? ?????? - ????? ??????????? ?????? ????????? ??????, ???? ???? ???  ?????? ?????, ?? ????? ????? ????????????? ? ??? ???????.

?????? ??? ???-?? ????? ?????????? - ????? ?? ??? ??? ??? ??????? ?????? ????????????, ????? ?????? ?????? ????????? ??? ?????? ?? ????????, ? ? ??????????? ???????? ???????, ?????????? ????? ????? ???? ?? ???????? ? ???? ?????????? ???????? ???????? (??? ??? ? ??? ?????????, ? ??? ????? ??????? ?????????????? ????).

??????, ? ??? ?????? Perl6?


From q at cono.org.ua  Thu Aug 12 06:44:58 2010
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2010/8/12 Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru>:
>
> ????????, ?????????? ???? ????? ?????? - ??? ?? ???????? ??????????? ???????? ? Perl6 - ??? ?????? ???????? ??????? ???? ???????, ??????? ????? ?????? ? ?? ???? ??? ?? ?????? ??????? ?????????.

?? ? ??????? ????????????? ????????? ????????, ? ??? ??? pack &
unpack, masak ????? ? ???????, ?????? ???????????? pack & unpack, ??
?????? ?????? ????? ?????? ????.

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From simne at yandex.ru  Thu Aug 12 05:46:10 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 16:46:10 +0400
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12.08.10, 11:16, "Alex Varyanick" <q at cono.org.ua>:
> 2010/8/12 Sergeev Serge :
>  >
>  > ??? ??????.
>  > ? ??? ?????? ? ???????????? ???????? ? Perl6?
>  > ? ?????? ????????? ???????, ??? ??? ?? ?????? ?????? ????? ??????? ??????????? ??? ??? ???????????
>  
>  ??? ? ??? ??????? ??????? ??????? )

????????, ?????????? ???? ????? ?????? - ??? ?? ???????? ??????????? ???????? ? Perl6 - ??? ?????? ???????? ??????? ???? ???????, ??????? ????? ?????? ? ?? ???? ??? ?? ?????? ??????? ?????????.


From q at cono.org.ua  Thu Aug 12 00:16:02 2010
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2010/8/12 Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru>:
>
> ??? ??????.
> ? ??? ?????? ? ???????????? ???????? ? Perl6?
> ? ?????? ????????? ???????, ??? ??? ?? ?????? ?????? ????? ??????? ??????????? ??? ??? ???????????

??? ? ??? ??????? ??????? ??????? )

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From simne at yandex.ru  Wed Aug 11 22:12:38 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 09:12:38 +0400
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12.08.10, 00:17, "Andrew Shitov" <andy at shitov.ru>:
> > Lingua Perl non penis canina.
>  
>  Homo sapiens non urinat in vetrum :-)

:)

>  ????? ????????? ?????????? The Perl Foundation ? ???, ??? ???? ?????
>  ???????? ? ?????????: PHP ????? ? ??????, ? ? ?????? ?? ????????,
>  ??????? ? ???? ??????????. ??? (?????????) ???????? ? ?????????,
>  ??????? ???????????.

??? ??????.
? ??? ?????? ? ???????????? ???????? ? Perl6?
? ?????? ????????? ???????, ??? ??? ?? ?????? ?????? ????? ??????? ??????????? ??? ??? ???????????


From andy at shitov.ru  Wed Aug 11 13:17:32 2010
From: andy at shitov.ru (Andrew Shitov)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 22:17:32 +0200
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> Lingua Perl non penis canina.

Homo sapiens non urinat in vetrum :-)

????? ????????? ?????????? The Perl Foundation ? ???, ??? ???? ?????
???????? ? ?????????: PHP ????? ? ??????, ? ? ?????? ?? ????????,
??????? ? ???? ??????????. ??? (?????????) ???????? ? ?????????,
??????? ???????????.

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From agnislav at gmail.com  Mon Aug  2 01:54:36 2010
From: agnislav at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JDQs9C90LjRgdC70LDQsiDQntC90YPRhNGA0LjQudGH0YPQug==?=)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 11:54:36 +0300
Subject: test
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????, ???, ????. ????? - ???????, ??????.

2 ??????? 2010??. 10:52 ???????????? Oleg Alistratov <ali at ali.org.ua> ???????:
>
>
> On 31.07.2010 02:48, Sergeev Serge wrote:
>
>> ?????????, ??? ?????? ???? ???????????? Perl, ? ? ????? ???????????..
>
> ?????. ? ?????.
>
> --
> ???
>

From ali at ali.org.ua  Mon Aug  2 00:52:06 2010
From: ali at ali.org.ua (Oleg Alistratov)
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 10:52:06 +0300
Subject: test
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On 31.07.2010 02:48, Sergeev Serge wrote:

 > ?????????, ??? ?????? ???? ???????????? Perl, ? ? ????? ???????????..

?????. ? ?????.

-- 
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From ykorshak at gmail.com  Sun Aug  1 07:56:52 2010
From: ykorshak at gmail.com (yko)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 07:56:52 -0700 (PDT)
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??????, ?? ? ??? ? ????????. ? ?? ?? ?????? ??? ??? ? ????? :p~~

From jeltoesolnce at aol.com  Sun Aug  1 12:41:03 2010
From: jeltoesolnce at aol.com (Vladimir Vasilenko)
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 22:41:03 +0300
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???? ???? ?????.


	?.

On Sun, 01 Aug 2010 15:55:13 +0300, Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru> wrote:

> 01.08.10, 15:46, "Serg V. Gulko" <s.gulko at gmail.com>:
>> > ??? ??? ???????? ????? ??????????? ???. ?????? ????? ?????????  
>> ??????? ? ?????????, ? ?????? ????? ??????????? ???????.
>> ?? ????????, ? ???????:) ? - ???????? ???????? ?? ???????????:)
>
> ?????? ??? ????????.
> ??? ???????, ????????, ????? ??????????? ???? ??? ??????? ??????????????  
> ??????? ???????? - ??????? ??? ??? ????? ?? ????????, ?? ????? ???  
> ??????? ?? ?????????? ????? ? ???????? ??????? ?? ??? - ????????, ?????,  
> ??????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?? ?????-?? ??????????? ????? ????????;  
> ?????????? ?????? ?????, ????????????? ??????? ???????? ?? ??????????  
> ????? ?????? ????????; ??????? ????????, ??????? ??????? ?? ???????????  
> ?? ?????? ???????, ???..


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From s.gulko at gmail.com  Sun Aug  1 07:07:17 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (Serg V. Gulko)
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 17:07:17 +0300
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?????? (??????????) ? ???????????? ???????? ???????? ??? ?????????,
????????? ?? ????????????????? ??????.
????????? ? ???????????? ???????? ??? ??????????? ????????? ?????
(??????????) ???????? ? ?????? ?????????? ????????, ???????? ?? ???????,
?????????? ? ??????????? ???????? (???????? ?????????)

? ???, 01/08/2010 ? 17:52 +0400, Sergeev Serge ?????:

> 01.08.10, 16:59, "Serg V. Gulko" <s.gulko at gmail.com>:
> > > ?????? ??? ????????.??? ???????, ????????, ????? ??????????? ???? ??? ??????? ?????????????? ??????? ???????? - ??????? ??? ??? ????? ?? ????????, ?? ????? ??? ??????? ?? ?????????? ????? ? ???????? ??????? ?? ??? - ????????, ?????, ??????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?? ?????-?? ??????????? ????? ????????; ?????????? ?????? ?????, ????????????? ??????? ???????? ?? ?????????? ????? ?????? ????????; ??????? ????????, ??????? ??????? ?? ??????????? ?? ?????? ???????, ???..
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> ?????????, ???????????????? ???????????, ??????? ?? ??????? ??????? Perl Camp - ????????, ????? ????????, ???????? ?????????? ?????? ? ????, ???????????????? ????????? ???????, ??? ?????? ??? ?????????? ??????????? ? ??????-??????; ????? ?????????? ???????????? ?? ??????? ??????? ????? ?????????? ????????? ??????? ???????????; ???????????, ???????? ???????????.
> ????? ????????? ??????? ????????????? ???????: ????????????_???????? (???????), ????? ?????? ?? ?????-?? ?????; ? ??????? ???????-?? ????? ????; ???? ??? ???????????????? ?? ???????? - ?? ?????????? ???????? ????, ?? ?????.
> ???? ???????? ?????? ??????? (??? ???? ?????????? ??????), ??????? ???????? ??????????? ;)
> ? ?????????? ??? ???????? -  ??????/???????????? ????? ?????????? ?????, ??? ???????? Camp ?????? ?????-?? ?????? ?? ?????-?? ??????, ?? ????? ?? ??????-?? ?? ??????-?? (? ????? ???????????); ????????????? ????? ????? ???-?? ?????????? ?????? ?? ??????; ???????? ??????? ???????? ????? ? ???????? ???? ? ????? ??????, ? ???? ????? ? ?????? ??????? ??? ?????????? ? Perl-Camp ?????-??, ??? ???????????? ???????? ?? ??? ?????????? ???????????????.


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1 ??????? 2010??. 16:52 ???????????? Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru> ???????:
> 01.08.10, 16:59, "Serg V. Gulko" <s.gulko at gmail.com>:
>> > ?????? ??? ????????.??? ???????, ????????, ????? ??????????? ???? ??? ??????? ?????????????? ??????? ???????? - ??????? ??? ??? ????? ?? ????????, ?? ????? ??? ??????? ?? ?????????? ????? ? ???????? ??????? ?? ??? - ????????, ?????, ??????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?? ?????-?? ??????????? ????? ????????; ?????????? ?????? ?????, ????????????? ??????? ???????? ?? ?????????? ????? ?????? ????????; ??????? ????????, ??????? ??????? ?? ??????????? ?? ?????? ???????, ???..
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> ?????????, ???????????????? ???????????, ??????? ?? ??????? ??????? Perl Camp - ????????, ????? ????????, ???????? ?????????? ?????? ? ????, ???????????????? ????????? ???????, ??? ?????? ??? ?????????? ??????????? ? ??????-??????; ????? ?????????? ???????????? ?? ??????? ??????? ????? ?????????? ????????? ??????? ???????????; ???????????, ???????? ???????????.
> ????? ????????? ??????? ????????????? ???????: ????????????_???????? (???????), ????? ?????? ?? ?????-?? ?????; ? ??????? ???????-?? ????? ????; ???? ??? ???????????????? ?? ???????? - ?? ?????????? ???????? ????, ?? ?????.
> ???? ???????? ?????? ??????? (??? ???? ?????????? ??????), ??????? ???????? ??????????? ;)
> ? ?????????? ??? ???????? - ???????/???????????? ????? ?????????? ?????, ??? ???????? Camp ?????? ?????-?? ?????? ?? ?????-?? ??????, ?? ????? ?? ??????-?? ?? ??????-?? (? ????? ???????????); ????????????? ????? ????? ???-?? ?????????? ?????? ?? ??????; ???????? ??????? ???????? ????? ? ???????? ???? ? ????? ??????, ? ???? ????? ? ?????? ??????? ??? ?????????? ? Perl-Camp ?????-??, ??? ???????????? ???????? ?? ??? ?????????? ???????????????.
>

From simne at yandex.ru  Sun Aug  1 06:52:43 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 17:52:43 +0400
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01.08.10, 16:59, "Serg V. Gulko" <s.gulko at gmail.com>:
> > ?????? ??? ????????.??? ???????, ????????, ????? ??????????? ???? ??? ??????? ?????????????? ??????? ???????? - ??????? ??? ??? ????? ?? ????????, ?? ????? ??? ??????? ?? ?????????? ????? ? ???????? ??????? ?? ??? - ????????, ?????, ??????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?? ?????-?? ??????????? ????? ????????; ?????????? ?????? ?????, ????????????? ??????? ???????? ?? ?????????? ????? ?????? ????????; ??????? ????????, ??????? ??????? ?? ??????????? ?? ?????? ???????, ???..
> ??? ?????????? ???????:) ??, ?? ???? ?????, ??? ? ?????? ? ???????????? ??????????. ? ????? ??????, ???? ???????????, ?? ???? ?? ????? - ??? ?????????? ????.

?? ?? ?????.
?????????, ???????????????? ???????????, ??????? ?? ??????? ??????? Perl Camp - ????????, ????? ????????, ???????? ?????????? ?????? ? ????, ???????????????? ????????? ???????, ??? ?????? ??? ?????????? ??????????? ? ??????-??????; ????? ?????????? ???????????? ?? ??????? ??????? ????? ?????????? ????????? ??????? ???????????; ???????????, ???????? ???????????.
????? ????????? ??????? ????????????? ???????: ????????????_???????? (???????), ????? ?????? ?? ?????-?? ?????; ? ??????? ???????-?? ????? ????; ???? ??? ???????????????? ?? ???????? - ?? ?????????? ???????? ????, ?? ?????.
???? ???????? ?????? ??????? (??? ???? ?????????? ??????), ??????? ???????? ??????????? ;)
? ?????????? ??? ???????? -  ??????/???????????? ????? ?????????? ?????, ??? ???????? Camp ?????? ?????-?? ?????? ?? ?????-?? ??????, ?? ????? ?? ??????-?? ?? ??????-?? (? ????? ???????????); ????????????? ????? ????? ???-?? ?????????? ?????? ?? ??????; ???????? ??????? ???????? ????? ? ???????? ???? ? ????? ??????, ? ???? ????? ? ?????? ??????? ??? ?????????? ? Perl-Camp ?????-??, ??? ???????????? ???????? ?? ??? ?????????? ???????????????.


From s.gulko at gmail.com  Sun Aug  1 05:59:18 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (Serg V. Gulko)
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 15:59:18 +0300
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> ??? ???????, ????????, ????? ??????????? ???? ??? ??????? ?????????????? ??????? ???????? - ??????? ??? ??? ????? ?? ????????, ?? ????? ??? ??????? ?? ?????????? ????? ? ???????? ??????? ?? ??? - ????????, ?????, ??????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?? ?????-?? ??????????? ????? ????????; ?????????? ?????? ?????, ????????????? ??????? ???????? ?? ?????????? ????? ?????? ????????; ??????? ????????, ??????? ??????? ?? ??????????? ?? ?????? ???????, ???..

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From simne at yandex.ru  Sun Aug  1 05:55:13 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 16:55:13 +0400
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01.08.10, 15:46, "Serg V. Gulko" <s.gulko at gmail.com>:
> > ??? ??? ???????? ????? ??????????? ???. ?????? ????? ????????? ??????? ? ?????????, ? ?????? ????? ??????????? ???????.
> ?? ????????, ? ???????:) ? - ???????? ???????? ?? ???????????:)

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??? ???????, ????????, ????? ??????????? ???? ??? ??????? ?????????????? ??????? ???????? - ??????? ??? ??? ????? ?? ????????, ?? ????? ??? ??????? ?? ?????????? ????? ? ???????? ??????? ?? ??? - ????????, ?????, ??????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?? ?????-?? ??????????? ????? ????????; ?????????? ?????? ?????, ????????????? ??????? ???????? ?? ?????????? ????? ?????? ????????; ??????? ????????, ??????? ??????? ?? ??????????? ?? ?????? ???????, ???..


From s.gulko at gmail.com  Sun Aug  1 04:46:16 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (Serg V. Gulko)
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 14:46:16 +0300
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> ??? ??? ???????? ????? ??????????? ???. ?????? ????? ????????? ??????? ? ?????????, ? ?????? ????? ??????????? ???????.
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From simne at yandex.ru  Sun Aug  1 04:26:10 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 15:26:10 +0400
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01.08.10, 14:53, "Serg Gulko" <s.gulko at gmail.com>:
> ??????! 
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From viacheslav.t at gmail.com  Sun Aug  1 01:07:12 2010
From: viacheslav.t at gmail.com (vti)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 11:07:12 +0300
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?? ? ???????? ?? ????. ? ?? ? ???????, ??? ??? ?????? ????????
"?????????? ??????" :) ? ????????? ?????? ???? ??????????.

??? ??????? ??????, ??????? ??????? ????? ?????????, ??? ? ????? ???????:

http://al3x.net/2010/07/27/node.html

? ??? ?????? ??????????? ???????????? ??????????????????:

http://www.slideshare.net/hidek/benchmarks-of-perl-web-application-frameworks-presentation


1 ??????? 2010??. 13:53 ???????????? Serg Gulko <s.gulko at gmail.com> ???????:
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From s.gulko at gmail.com  Sun Aug  1 03:53:50 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (Serg Gulko)
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? ????? ???? ????? ?? ???????? ???? ?????? ? ????????????. ?????
???????, ?????? ?? ????????? ?? ??????? ??? ???? ??????? ???????, ????
?? ??? ????? ????? ???? ? ???????????? 5 ??????:) ?? ?????? ?? ??????
??????, ?????? ??????? ???? ???????? ?????????, ??? ????:) ? ?????????,
??? ?????????? ???????? ? ????????? ????, ??? ???? ?????????? ??
???????? ?? 100 ? ????. ?????? ????? ????????? ???-?? CTO ?????????,
???????? ?? ??, ??? ???? ??????????? ?????? ?????????????? ??????? ????
??????. 
?? ??? ???, ????? ?????:)

? ???, 01/08/2010 ? 10:04 +0300, vti ?????:
> ??? ???????, ??? ?????? ???? ?? ?????????????????? (??? ???? ?? ???? ???? ??????? ? ????? ??????????????? ?????????? ???????), ? ???????? ?????????? ? ???????? ?????????, ??????????? ???????????????. ????????, ? Mojolicious ???? ??????????? ??? ???????? ?????? ??????, ??? ? ????????????, ??? ???? ????????? ?????????? ?????? ??????????.
> 
> ?????????? ???????????? ????, ??? ????? ??? ???????? ?????????? ??????.
> ? ??? ?????????????????? ???? ?. 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Aug 1, 2010, at 4:20 AM, Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru> wrote:
> 
> > ??????, ??? ?????? ???? ????????, ? ??????? ? ??? ????? ? ?????? ?????????????????? ;)
> > 
> > ???? ?????? ????? ???????, ??? ??? Perl ??? ????? ??????? ????, ?? ?????????????????? ????? ???????? ???????? ?? ????????????? ?????? ???.
> > 
> > 01.08.10, 02:16, "s.gulko at gmail.com" <s.gulko at gmail.com>:
> >> ???????????? ??????? ??????? ? ???????? ?? ????, ???????? ????
> >> ???????? ?????? ?????????????????? ???????? ???????? ??? ???????????.
> >> ???? ? ????-?? ???? ?? ???? ?????
> >> 




From viacheslav.t at gmail.com  Sun Aug  1 00:04:48 2010
From: viacheslav.t at gmail.com (vti)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 10:04:48 +0300
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?UmU6IPTF09Qg0NLPydrXz8TJ1MXM2M7P09TJIMbSxcrN18/Sy8/X?=
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??? ???????, ??? ?????? ???? ?? ?????????????????? (??? ???? ?? ???? ???? ??????? ? ????? ??????????????? ?????????? ???????), ? ???????? ?????????? ? ???????? ?????????, ??????????? ???????????????. ????????, ? Mojolicious ???? ??????????? ??? ???????? ?????? ??????, ??? ? ????????????, ??? ???? ????????? ?????????? ?????? ??????????.

?????????? ???????????? ????, ??? ????? ??? ???????? ?????????? ??????.
? ??? ?????????????????? ???? ?. 

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 1, 2010, at 4:20 AM, Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru> wrote:

> ??????, ??? ?????? ???? ????????, ? ??????? ? ??? ????? ? ?????? ?????????????????? ;)
> 
> ???? ?????? ????? ???????, ??? ??? Perl ??? ????? ??????? ????, ?? ?????????????????? ????? ???????? ???????? ?? ????????????? ?????? ???.
> 
> 01.08.10, 02:16, "s.gulko at gmail.com" <s.gulko at gmail.com>:
>> ???????????? ??????? ??????? ? ???????? ?? ????, ???????? ????
>> ???????? ?????? ?????????????????? ???????? ???????? ??? ???????????.
>> ???? ? ????-?? ???? ?? ???? ?????
>> 

From alexchorny at gmail.com  Sun Aug  1 13:34:32 2010
From: alexchorny at gmail.com (Alexandr Ciornii)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 23:34:32 +0300
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?19nCz9Igd2lraQ==?=
Message-ID: <AANLkTim2Lz2y44LD6Tww-uahLbGkmvBjgyUERHftPqcF@mail.gmail.com>

??????!

?????? wiki ?? Perl ???? ?????:
http://www.socialtext.net/perl5/index.cgi?wiki (???????? perl5 wiki),
?? ???????? ?? ???????? ? ??????????. ???? ?? ???????? mojowka -
?????? ?????? ?????????. ???? ???????? ? ?????????? - ????? ???????
???????? ?? ???????.

P.S. ??????? ??????? ? mojowka ???????? ?????? ???? ????????????? ???
??????????????. ??????? ?? Mojo ???? ?? ?????? ????????, ?? ?????
??????.
P.P.S. ???? Mojo ?? ????? ????? ????????, ???????? ???? ????????????
?????? ?? ??????????.

-- 
Alexandr Ciornii, http://chorny.net, Chisinau.pm

From viacheslav.t at gmail.com  Tue Aug  3 05:49:42 2010
From: viacheslav.t at gmail.com (vti)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 15:49:42 +0300
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????? ? ???-????, ????????? ? ?????????? ???????? ???????????? ?????
?????? ???????? [...]

??????????, ???????? ? ???? ?????, ???????????? ?????????
?????????????, ?????????, ????????? ? ?.?. [...]

? ???? ??? ??????????? ? ??????? ?????????????? ??? ? ???? ?????
?????????? ???? ???? ???????????? ? ??????????? ??????????? (?????? ?
???? ?????????). ? ?? ?????-?? ????? ??????????.

> ????, ??? ?? ?????:
> 1. ?? ????? ?????? ?????????? ??????????, ? ??????? ???????? ???????? ????? ?? ???? ???????????????
> 2. ????????? ????? ??????????, ??????? ????? ????????? ??????, ? ????????? ?????, ??????? ????? ??????????? ?????, ??? ???? ??????????? ?????????? ??????????? ??????? ????????.
> ??? ??? ?????, ? ?????? ???????? ????????? ????????? ??????????.
> ? ???????????, ??? ?????????? ????????? ???? - ??????????? ?????? ????, ? ?????????? ??? ?????? ???? ??????? - ????????? ? ????? ????? ??? ?????? ?????? ??? ???? Catalyst, ? ??? ???-?? ???????? ???? ???????.
> 3. ?? ????? ? ???????? ????, ??? ???? ???? ? ????, ??????? ?? ????????-?? ?????? ?? ????? ?????. ?? ???? ?????/???????? ?? ????? - ??? ?????? ??? ???? ????? ? ??? ????? ???????????????, ? ???? ??? ???? ?????? ??????????, ?????????????? ?????? ???? ???? ????????? ??????????????? ?????????? ??????????, ???? ????-?????????, ? ???????????? ?????????.
> ? ????-??????????, ?????, ? ??? ?????? ?? ??????, ????? ????????????? ???????????? ? ???????????????, ??????? ???????? ? ??????????????? ??????????.
>
> ??? ?? ???????????? ????? ???????????????, ? ?????? ??????????? ?? ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????????????? ?????? ????? ?????????, ? ????????? ????????? ?? ?????? ?????????? ? ????????/??????/?? ????????.
>
> 03.08.10, 12:13, "vti" <viacheslav.t at gmail.com>:
>> ????????? ????????: ????? ????? ?? ????, ???? ?? ?????????? ???? ???????? oO
>>
>> ?> ???? ???????? ?????? ???? ??????? (?????? ? ????????? ????)

From simne at yandex.ru  Tue Aug  3 05:12:06 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 16:12:06 +0400
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???? ?????? ?????????? (? ?????? ?????? ??? ????? ????), ? ?????? ????? ????????? ????????.
??????? ????????? ????????? ??? ???????? ??????.

????, ??? ?? ?????:
1. ?? ????? ?????? ?????????? ??????????, ? ??????? ???????? ???????? ????? ?? ???? ???????????????
2. ????????? ????? ??????????, ??????? ????? ????????? ??????, ? ????????? ?????, ??????? ????? ??????????? ?????, ??? ???? ??????????? ?????????? ??????????? ??????? ????????.
??? ??? ?????, ? ?????? ???????? ????????? ????????? ??????????.
? ???????????, ??? ?????????? ????????? ???? - ??????????? ?????? ????, ? ?????????? ??? ?????? ???? ??????? - ????????? ? ????? ????? ??? ?????? ?????? ??? ???? Catalyst, ? ??? ???-?? ???????? ???? ???????.
3. ?? ????? ? ???????? ????, ??? ???? ???? ? ????, ??????? ?? ????????-?? ?????? ?? ????? ?????. ?? ???? ?????/???????? ?? ????? - ??? ?????? ??? ???? ????? ? ??? ????? ???????????????, ? ???? ??? ???? ?????? ??????????, ?????????????? ?????? ???? ???? ????????? ??????????????? ?????????? ??????????, ???? ????-?????????, ? ???????????? ?????????.
? ????-??????????, ?????, ? ??? ?????? ?? ??????, ????? ????????????? ???????????? ? ???????????????, ??????? ???????? ? ??????????????? ??????????.

??? ?? ???????????? ????? ???????????????, ? ?????? ??????????? ?? ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????????????? ?????? ????? ?????????, ? ????????? ????????? ?? ?????? ?????????? ? ????????/??????/?? ????????.

03.08.10, 12:13, "vti" <viacheslav.t at gmail.com>:
> ????????? ????????: ????? ????? ?? ????, ???? ?? ?????????? ???? ???????? oO
>  
>  > ???? ???????? ?????? ???? ??????? (?????? ? ????????? ????)
>  


From viacheslav.t at gmail.com  Tue Aug  3 01:13:33 2010
From: viacheslav.t at gmail.com (vti)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 11:13:33 +0300
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IFJlOiDw0sXEzM/Wxc7JxSDP0sfBzsnaz9fB?=
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????????? ????????: ????? ????? ?? ????, ???? ?? ?????????? ???? ???????? oO

> ???? ???????? ?????? ???? ??????? (?????? ? ????????? ????)

From simne at yandex.ru  Mon Aug  2 10:45:51 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 21:45:51 +0400
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02.08.10, 20:27, "Stormbringer" <sbatyr at gmail.com>:
> ???? ???????? ??????? ??????, ? ?????? ??????? ???, ??? ?? ???? ???????? ????-?? ???. ? ????? ????? ????? ????????? ? ????????.

??.
? ????? ?????? ???????? ??-?? ???????????, ??????? ?????-?? ?????????? ? ???????? ????? - ???? ????? ???? ? ?????? ??????? ?????? ? ?? ???????????? ?????? ?? ???????, ?? ????? ????????? ?????? ????????? ? ???????? ?? ??? ?????, ????? ??? ??????.

> ?? ????? ???? ???? ???????????????, ??? ?? ????? ??????, ?????? ?????? ?????? ????, ????? ?????? ?? ???? ? ??.
> ?? ? ?? ??? ?????????? ?????????? ? ?????, ???? ????????? ????? ????? ??? ???. ???? ?? ?????? ???-?????? ???? ??????, ?? ????????? ????? ??? ???????? ? ?????, ?? ? ????? ???? ????? ???? ????????? ?????????, ??? ???? ??????.

?????? ?????.
?? ????? ??? ??????? ????? ? ?????? ?????? ?? ????.
????? ????? ?????? ??? ??? ????????? ???? ??????? ??????? - ????? ???-?? ????? ? icq ? ???? ? ????? ?????? - ?? ?????? ????? ?????? ????????, ???????? ?? ????? ????????? ????????? ?????????, ? ???????? ????? ???????? ????????? ?? ?????????.

?? ??????? ???????????? ???-?? ? ???, ??? ??? ?????? ????? ?????????????? ??? ??????? ??????????? ????????, ? ????? ??? ???-?? ???????, ??????? ??????? ?????? ??? ??????????.
????? ??? ??? ????? ???????? ??? ?????????? ? ????????? ?????? ????????? ???????, ?? ?????-?? ??? ????? ?? ????? ?????.

> ???? ??? ??????? ????? ?????, ?????? ? ???????????? ?????????? ???????, ? ?? ?????? ??????????????, ?? ??? ????????? ?????. 

??? ????? ????? ?????????? ????????, ? ??? ???????, ?? ?????? ?????? ??????????? ?????????????? ?????????????? ???? ?? ?????, ?? ??? ????? ???????? ?????? ????? ????.
? ??? ? ???????????? ? ?????? ?????? ?? ????????, ? ???? ??? ?? ??????, ? ????? ?? ?????-?? ???????? ?? ???????? ?????????? ??????? ?? ??????????? ??????????, ??????? ?????????? ????? ??? ?????? ????? ??????????? ????????? ?????????????, ??????????? ? ?????????.
?????????? ?????????, ???? ? ????? ??????? ????????? ????????? ???? ??? ???? ?? ?????.

? ???? ????????? ????? ???????:
???? ???????? ?????? ???? ??????? (?????? ? ????????? ????), ? ?????, ?? ?????? ??????? ?????????????, ? ???? ????? ?????? ??????????? ????? ?????? ?????? ??????, ??????? ????? ????? ????????? ????????????? ??????? ?? ??????? ????????.
??? ????????? ????? ???? ????????? ? ??????????? ? ????????, ? ? ?? ??????????? ?????????? ???????? ?? ???? ???????? ?????????????? ????? ??????.

?????? ? ??????? ?????????? ??????, ???????? ???.

??? ?????? ????? ?????????? ?????? ???????, ? ?? ??????????? ????????.
??? ??????? ???????? ??????? ??? ? ?? ?????-?? ???????? ?? ????? ???? ?????????? - ????? ?????????? ?? ???? ???????? ??? ????? ??????.


From simne at yandex.ru  Mon Aug  2 10:04:52 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 21:04:52 +0400
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02.08.10, 19:41, "Vladimir Vasilenko" <jeltoesolnce at aol.com>:
> ??????? ??????????, ?????? ?????? ?? ????, ??? ???????? ????, ?? ?????????  
>  ?????? ? ??? ??????, ? ?????? ?? ????????? ??? ????? "googlegroups" ?  
>  ???????? ?????? ?????? ?? ????? ? ??????????.:-).

? ??? ????????? ??????, ? ??? ?????? ????????? ???????

>  ?? ???????? ? ????????, ???? ??????? ?? ???????? ?? (??? ?????? ??????? ??  
>  ?????????, ? ??? ???????????).

???? ??????? ?????.
???? ????? ?????????? ????, ????? ? ???? ?? ??????????? ???????? ? ???? ?? ??? ?????????? ? ??????????.
?????????? ????? ?? ???????? groups.google.com...

>  On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 10:36:21 +0300, Serg V. Gulko   
>  wrote:
>  
>  > ??, ??????? ???? ??? ??? ????? ? ????:) ???? ?? ????? Google, ??? ?????
>  > ???? ? ?.?.
>  > ? ??? ??????????? ????? ??? ?????????? ?????? ? ??????????? ??????????
>  > ???????? ?????? ? ?????? ????? ????????????????:)
>  > ??? ??? ???? ???????, ????? ? ??? ????, ?? mail ?????? ??????? ??? ??
>  > ???????.
>  >
>  > ? ???, 02/08/2010 ? 09:02 +0300, Vladimir Vasilenko ?????:
>  >
>  >> ?????, ?????? ??????????? ? ???????? ??????? ??????????: ????????? ?????
>  >> ????? ? ?????, ??? Google ??? ????????? ????????????? ????? ??????  
>  >> ???????
>  >> ? ???? ??????, ? ?? ???? ??????????, ??? ?? ?? ???????????? ? ??? ?
>  >> ????????? ???? "??????? ????".
>  >>
>  >> ? ??????? ???????? ??? ?????? ???????? ? ????? ???????  
>  >> ??????-??????????,
>  >> ??????? ? ????? ???????? ??????????? ??????????? ??????????????? ???????
>  >> ???????.
>  >>
>  >> ??????? ?? ?????????,
>  >> ???????? ?????????.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>   On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 08:50:51 +0300, Maxim Vuets  
>  >> 
>  >> wrote:
>  >>
>  >> > 2010/8/2 Vladimir Vasilenko :
>  >> >
>  >> >> ????????? ?????????? ? ????-?????? ????? ? ????????? ??????? ????,
>  >> >
>  >> > ????? ????, "???? ?? php" (: http://kiev.pm.org/?q=forum ??? ??,
>  >> > ???????????.
>  >> >
>  >> >> ???
>  >> >> ?????? ?????? ???????????????? ???????: ????? ????? ???????  
>  >> ??????????.
>  >> >
>  >> > ????? ??? ?????? ?? ???????? ?.?. ?????????? ??????? ???????????
>  >> > ?????????. ???? ??????? ???????? ????? ???????? ?? ??????????????
>  >> > ?????????, ?? ????? ???????? ???????? ? gmane: ????? ????? ????????,
>  >> > ????????, rss-???, nntp-????. ??? ??? ? moscow.pm, ????????:
>  >> > http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.perl.perl-mongers.moscow
>  >> >
>  


From sbatyr at gmail.com  Mon Aug  2 09:27:36 2010
From: sbatyr at gmail.com (Stormbringer)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 19:27:36 +0300
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPDSxcTMz9bFzsnFIM/Sx8HOydrP18HU2CA=?=
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2 ??????? 2010 ?. 18:49 ???????????? Vladimir Vasilenko <
jeltoesolnce at aol.com> ???????:

> ??? ???-?? ???? ????).
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>
> On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 18:44:59 +0300, ???????? ?????????? <
> agnislav at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  [offtop]
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>> [/offtop]
>>
>> 2 ??????? 2010 ?. 18:42 ???????????? Vladimir Vasilenko
>> <jeltoesolnce at aol.com> ???????:
>>
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>>>
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>>>> <jeltoesolnce at aol.com> ???????:
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From jeltoesolnce at aol.com  Mon Aug  2 08:49:21 2010
From: jeltoesolnce at aol.com (Vladimir Vasilenko)
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 18:49:21 +0300
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On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 18:44:59 +0300, ???????? ??????????  
<agnislav at gmail.com> wrote:

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> ? ????? ???? ???????? ??????? :-D
> [/offtop]
>
> 2 ??????? 2010 ?. 18:42 ???????????? Vladimir Vasilenko
> <jeltoesolnce at aol.com> ???????:
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>> ?????? ?? ??? ??? ??????????? ? ?????? ??????
>>
>>
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>>
>> On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 10:11:50 +0300, vti <viacheslav.t at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ? ????? ????, ??????? ??, ?? ??????.
>>>
>>> 2 ??????? 2010 ?. 9:02 ???????????? Vladimir Vasilenko
>>> <jeltoesolnce at aol.com> ???????:
>>>>
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>>>>  On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 08:50:51 +0300, Maxim Vuets  
>>>> <maxim.vuets at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 2010/8/2 Vladimir Vasilenko <jeltoesolnce at aol.com>:
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>> http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.perl.perl-mongers.moscow
>>
>>
>> --
>> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/


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From agnislav at gmail.com  Mon Aug  2 08:44:59 2010
From: agnislav at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JDQs9C90LjRgdC70LDQsiDQntC90YPRhNGA0LjQudGH0YPQug==?=)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 18:44:59 +0300
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2 ??????? 2010??. 18:42 ???????????? Vladimir Vasilenko
<jeltoesolnce at aol.com> ???????:
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> ?????? ?? ??? ??? ??????????? ? ?????? ??????
>
>
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>
> On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 10:11:50 +0300, vti <viacheslav.t at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ? ????? ????, ??????? ??, ?? ??????.
>>
>> 2 ??????? 2010 ?. 9:02 ???????????? Vladimir Vasilenko
>> <jeltoesolnce at aol.com> ???????:
>>>
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>>>
>>> ?On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 08:50:51 +0300, Maxim Vuets <maxim.vuets at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 2010/8/2 Vladimir Vasilenko <jeltoesolnce at aol.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> ????????? ?????????? ? ????-?????? ????? ? ????????? ??????? ????,
>>>>
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>>>> http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.perl.perl-mongers.moscow
>
>
> --
> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

From jeltoesolnce at aol.com  Mon Aug  2 08:42:09 2010
From: jeltoesolnce at aol.com (Vladimir Vasilenko)
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 18:42:09 +0300
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On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 10:11:50 +0300, vti <viacheslav.t at gmail.com> wrote:

> ? ????? ????, ??????? ??, ?? ??????.
>
> 2 ??????? 2010 ?. 9:02 ???????????? Vladimir Vasilenko
> <jeltoesolnce at aol.com> ???????:
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>>
>>
>>  On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 08:50:51 +0300, Maxim Vuets <maxim.vuets at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 2010/8/2 Vladimir Vasilenko <jeltoesolnce at aol.com>:
>>>
>>>> ????????? ?????????? ? ????-?????? ????? ? ????????? ??????? ????,
>>>
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>>> ????????, rss-???, nntp-????. ??? ??? ? moscow.pm, ????????:
>>> http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.perl.perl-mongers.moscow


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From jeltoesolnce at aol.com  Mon Aug  2 08:41:06 2010
From: jeltoesolnce at aol.com (Vladimir Vasilenko)
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 18:41:06 +0300
Subject: =?utf-8?B?0J/RgNC10LTQu9C+0LbQtdC90LjQtSDQvtGA0LPQsNC90LjQt9C+0LLQsA==?=
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On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 10:36:21 +0300, Serg V. Gulko <s.gulko at gmail.com>  
wrote:

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>
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>>
>>
>>   On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 08:50:51 +0300, Maxim Vuets  
>> <maxim.vuets at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > 2010/8/2 Vladimir Vasilenko <jeltoesolnce at aol.com>:
>> >
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>> > http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.perl.perl-mongers.moscow
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
>


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From viacheslav.t at gmail.com  Mon Aug  2 02:01:41 2010
From: viacheslav.t at gmail.com (vti)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 12:01:41 +0300
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>>>
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From denis.zhdanov at gmail.com  Mon Aug  2 02:01:19 2010
From: denis.zhdanov at gmail.com (Denis Zhdanov)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 12:01:19 +0300
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From viacheslav.t at gmail.com  Mon Aug  2 01:59:10 2010
From: viacheslav.t at gmail.com (vti)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 11:59:10 +0300
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> 2 ??????? 2010??. 10:49 ???????????? Konstantin Cherednichenko
> <dshadowukraine at gmail.com> ???????:
>> YaBB ????????http://www.yabbforum.com/downloads.php
>>
>> 2010/8/2 Vladimir Vasilenko <jeltoesolnce at aol.com>
>>>
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>>> ?? php, ???? ?? BASIC, ???? ?? ???????.
>>>
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From agnislav at gmail.com  Mon Aug  2 01:51:26 2010
From: agnislav at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JDQs9C90LjRgdC70LDQsiDQntC90YPRhNGA0LjQudGH0YPQug==?=)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 11:51:26 +0300
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?????????? ?????????? ? ?? ???????.

2 ??????? 2010??. 10:49 ???????????? Konstantin Cherednichenko
<dshadowukraine at gmail.com> ???????:
> YaBB ????????http://www.yabbforum.com/downloads.php
>
> 2010/8/2 Vladimir Vasilenko <jeltoesolnce at aol.com>
>>
>> ???? ??????.
>>
>> ????????? ?????????? ? ????-?????? ????? ? ????????? ??????? ????, ???
>> ?????? ?????? ???????????????? ???????: ????? ????? ??????? ??????????.
>> ??? ?? ????????? "?? ????????", ? ?????????? ????? ????????? ?????, ????
>> ?? php, ???? ?? BASIC, ???? ?? ???????.
>>
>> ???? ???? ??????????? - "??????", ????? ???? ?????????? ? ????.
>>
>>
>> ????????.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
>
>
> --
> Konstantin Cherednichenko
> KC439-RIPE, KC96-UANIC
> FTN: 2:463/68.99 aka 2:4643/1.0
>

From dshadowukraine at gmail.com  Mon Aug  2 00:49:27 2010
From: dshadowukraine at gmail.com (Konstantin Cherednichenko)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 10:49:27 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6INCf0YDQtdC00LvQvtC20LXQvdC40LUg0L7RgNCz0LDQvdC40LfQvtCy0LDRgtGMIA==?=
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YaBB ??????? http://www.yabbforum.com/downloads.php

2010/8/2 Vladimir Vasilenko <jeltoesolnce at aol.com>

> ???? ??????.
>
> ????????? ?????????? ? ????-?????? ????? ? ????????? ??????? ????, ???
> ?????? ?????? ???????????????? ???????: ????? ????? ??????? ??????????.
> ??? ?? ????????? "?? ????????", ? ?????????? ????? ????????? ?????, ????
> ?? php, ???? ?? BASIC, ???? ?? ???????.
>
> ???? ???? ??????????? - "??????", ????? ???? ?????????? ? ????.
>
>
> ????????.
>
>
>
> --
> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
>



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From: s.gulko at gmail.com (Serg V. Gulko)
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 10:36:21 +0300
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??, ??????? ???? ??? ??? ????? ? ????:) ???? ?? ????? Google, ??? ?????
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???????. 

? ???, 02/08/2010 ? 09:02 +0300, Vladimir Vasilenko ?????:

> ?????, ?????? ??????????? ? ???????? ??????? ??????????: ????????? ?????  
> ????? ? ?????, ??? Google ??? ????????? ????????????? ????? ?????? ???????  
> ? ???? ??????, ? ?? ???? ??????????, ??? ?? ?? ???????????? ? ??? ?  
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> 
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> ???????? ?????????.
> 
> 
>   On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 08:50:51 +0300, Maxim Vuets <maxim.vuets at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
> 
> > 2010/8/2 Vladimir Vasilenko <jeltoesolnce at aol.com>:
> >
> >> ????????? ?????????? ? ????-?????? ????? ? ????????? ??????? ????,
> >
> > ????? ????, "???? ?? php" (: http://kiev.pm.org/?q=forum ??? ??,  
> > ???????????.
> >
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> > ?????????. ???? ??????? ???????? ????? ???????? ?? ??????????????
> > ?????????, ?? ????? ???????? ???????? ? gmane: ????? ????? ????????,
> > ????????, rss-???, nntp-????. ??? ??? ? moscow.pm, ????????:
> > http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.perl.perl-mongers.moscow
> >
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
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From: viacheslav.t at gmail.com (vti)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 10:11:50 +0300
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? ????? ????, ??????? ??, ?? ??????.

2 ??????? 2010??. 9:02 ???????????? Vladimir Vasilenko
<jeltoesolnce at aol.com> ???????:
> ?????, ?????? ??????????? ? ???????? ??????? ??????????: ????????? ?????
> ????? ? ?????, ??? Google ??? ????????? ????????????? ????? ?????? ??????? ?
> ???? ??????, ? ?? ???? ??????????, ??? ?? ?? ???????????? ? ??? ? ?????????
> ???? "??????? ????".
>
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> ??????? ? ????? ???????? ??????????? ??????????? ??????????????? ???????
> ???????.
>
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> ???????? ?????????.
>
>
> ?On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 08:50:51 +0300, Maxim Vuets <maxim.vuets at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> 2010/8/2 Vladimir Vasilenko <jeltoesolnce at aol.com>:
>>
>>> ????????? ?????????? ? ????-?????? ????? ? ????????? ??????? ????,
>>
>> ????? ????, "???? ?? php" (: http://kiev.pm.org/?q=forum ??? ??,
>> ???????????.
>>
>>> ???
>>> ?????? ?????? ???????????????? ???????: ????? ????? ??????? ??????????.
>>
>> ????? ??? ?????? ?? ???????? ?.?. ?????????? ??????? ???????????
>> ?????????. ???? ??????? ???????? ????? ???????? ?? ??????????????
>> ?????????, ?? ????? ???????? ???????? ? gmane: ????? ????? ????????,
>> ????????, rss-???, nntp-????. ??? ??? ? moscow.pm, ????????:
>> http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.perl.perl-mongers.moscow

From jeltoesolnce at aol.com  Sun Aug  1 23:02:05 2010
From: jeltoesolnce at aol.com (Vladimir Vasilenko)
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 09:02:05 +0300
Subject: =?utf-8?B?0J/RgNC10LTQu9C+0LbQtdC90LjQtSDQvtGA0LPQsNC90LjQt9C+0LLQsA==?=
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References: <op.vgspnywtt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>
 <AANLkTikpZXfggmC3KAiuU3wZaxD4yxcaEGHsWB8kSjty@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.vgsq1rm8t0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>

?????, ?????? ??????????? ? ???????? ??????? ??????????: ????????? ?????  
????? ? ?????, ??? Google ??? ????????? ????????????? ????? ?????? ???????  
? ???? ??????, ? ?? ???? ??????????, ??? ?? ?? ???????????? ? ??? ?  
????????? ???? "??????? ????".

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??????? ? ????? ???????? ??????????? ??????????? ??????????????? ???????  
???????.

??????? ?? ?????????,
???????? ?????????.


  On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 08:50:51 +0300, Maxim Vuets <maxim.vuets at gmail.com>  
wrote:

> 2010/8/2 Vladimir Vasilenko <jeltoesolnce at aol.com>:
>
>> ????????? ?????????? ? ????-?????? ????? ? ????????? ??????? ????,
>
> ????? ????, "???? ?? php" (: http://kiev.pm.org/?q=forum ??? ??,  
> ???????????.
>
>> ???
>> ?????? ?????? ???????????????? ???????: ????? ????? ??????? ??????????.
>
> ????? ??? ?????? ?? ???????? ?.?. ?????????? ??????? ???????????
> ?????????. ???? ??????? ???????? ????? ???????? ?? ??????????????
> ?????????, ?? ????? ???????? ???????? ? gmane: ????? ????? ????????,
> ????????, rss-???, nntp-????. ??? ??? ? moscow.pm, ????????:
> http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.perl.perl-mongers.moscow
>
>


-- 
Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

From maxim.vuets at gmail.com  Sun Aug  1 22:50:51 2010
From: maxim.vuets at gmail.com (Maxim Vuets)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 08:50:51 +0300
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPDSxcTMz9bFzsnFIM/Sx8HOydrP18HU2CA=?=
	=?KOI8-R?B?xs/S1c0=?=
In-Reply-To: <op.vgspnywtt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>
References: <op.vgspnywtt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikpZXfggmC3KAiuU3wZaxD4yxcaEGHsWB8kSjty@mail.gmail.com>

2010/8/2 Vladimir Vasilenko <jeltoesolnce at aol.com>:

> ????????? ?????????? ? ????-?????? ????? ? ????????? ??????? ????,

????? ????, "???? ?? php" (: http://kiev.pm.org/?q=forum ??? ??, ???????????.

> ???
> ?????? ?????? ???????????????? ???????: ????? ????? ??????? ??????????.

????? ??? ?????? ?? ???????? ?.?. ?????????? ??????? ???????????
?????????. ???? ??????? ???????? ????? ???????? ?? ??????????????
?????????, ?? ????? ???????? ???????? ? gmane: ????? ????? ????????,
????????, rss-???, nntp-????. ??? ??? ? moscow.pm, ????????:
http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.perl.perl-mongers.moscow


-- 
maxim.vuets.name

From jeltoesolnce at aol.com  Sun Aug  1 22:32:12 2010
From: jeltoesolnce at aol.com (Vladimir Vasilenko)
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 08:32:12 +0300
Subject: =?utf-8?B?0J/RgNC10LTQu9C+0LbQtdC90LjQtSDQvtGA0LPQsNC90LjQt9C+0LLQsA==?=
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Message-ID: <op.vgspnywtt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>

???? ??????.

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?????? ?????? ???????????????? ???????: ????? ????? ??????? ??????????.
??? ?? ????????? "?? ????????", ? ?????????? ????? ????????? ?????, ????
?? php, ???? ?? BASIC, ???? ?? ???????.

???? ???? ??????????? - "??????", ????? ???? ?????????? ? ????.


????????.


-- 
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From notformat at gmail.com  Sat Aug  7 13:06:04 2010
From: notformat at gmail.com (=?KOI8-R?B?5dfHxc7JyiDrwdLQxc7Lzw==?=)
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 00:06:04 +0400
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPDSz93BzsnFINMgx9XHzM/Qz97Uz8opLg==?=
In-Reply-To: <70491281195141@web33.yandex.ru>
References: <op.vgunkx0jt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>
	<70491281195141@web33.yandex.ru>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinL8-fTwSJkKVzYT_36HqQjed3say4NUpEWnri_@mail.gmail.com>

? ?????? ?? ???????? ???? ?????))).

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?????????? ?????? ???????? ???????????? ? ???? ???????? - "??????????????
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>????????????? ???????? ?????? ?? reagan.com  ????? ??????? ? ?????????
????????????? ? $34,95 ? ???.
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From simne at yandex.ru  Sat Aug  7 08:32:21 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 19:32:21 +0400
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?UmU6IPDSz93BzsnFINMgx9XHzM/Qz97Uz8opLg==?=
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? ??? ??? ????????:
??? ??????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ??? ?????????????
????? ??????, ??????? ??? ???-?????????? ??? ???????? ???????, ?????? ???????? ?????? ?? ?????? @reagan.com
???? ?????? ????? ???????????? ?????? ??? ?????????????, ??????? ???????????? ????????????? ? ?? ????? ???????????? ?????????, ????????? ?????????? ???????? ??????? ?? Google, Yahoo, Apple ? Microsoft.
????? ?????? ???????, ??? ??????????? ???????????? ???? ???? ???????? ???????? ??????? ??? ??? ? ?????????, ? ??????????????.
????????????? ???????? ?????? ?? reagan.com  ????? ??????? ? ????????? ????????????? ? $34,95 ? ???. ????? ?????? ? ???????? ????? ???-?????????, ??? ???????? ?????? ????? ???????????? ????????????? ? ?????????? ???????????? BlackBerry, Windows Mobile ? iPhone.
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http://hi-tech.tochka.net/3594-syn-reygana-sozdal-pochtovyy-servis-dlya-konservatorov?lang=ru

03.08.10, 10:42, "Vladimir Vasilenko" <jeltoesolnce at aol.com>:

> ??????? ?????????? ? ???????? Perl, ??????????? ?? ????????, ?????  
>  ?????????????).
>  
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From notformat at gmail.com  Wed Aug  4 06:16:10 2010
From: notformat at gmail.com (=?KOI8-R?B?5dfHxc7JyiDrwdLQxc7Lzw==?=)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 17:16:10 +0400
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPDSz93BzsnFINMgx9XHzM/Qz97Uz8opLg==?=
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? ??? ?????)))) ?? ?? ??)))

4 ??????? 2010 ?. 12:56 ???????????? ???????? ?????????? <agnislav at gmail.com
> ???????:

> ? ???? ??????. ??????, ? ??? ? ?? ????? ???????... ((
>
> 4 ??????? 2010 ?. 10:09 ???????????? Alex Varyanick <q at cono.org.ua>
> ???????:
> > 2010/8/3 Maxim Vuets <maxim.vuets at gmail.com>:
> >> 2010/8/3 Vladimir Vasilenko <jeltoesolnce at aol.com>:
> >>
> >>> ??????? ?????????? ? ???????? Perl, ??????????? ?? ????????, ?????
> >>> ?????????????).
> >>
> >> ??????? ?? ??? ???????? ????? ?????? --- ??? ?????? ?????? ? ????
> ?????????? (:
> >
> > ? ???? ?? ??????..
> >
> > --
> > Varyanick I. Alex
> > icq: 102 575 440
> > skype: cono..
> > q at cono.org.ua
> >
>



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From agnislav at gmail.com  Wed Aug  4 01:56:30 2010
From: agnislav at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JDQs9C90LjRgdC70LDQsiDQntC90YPRhNGA0LjQudGH0YPQug==?=)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 11:56:30 +0300
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? ???? ??????. ??????, ? ??? ? ?? ????? ???????... ((

4 ??????? 2010??. 10:09 ???????????? Alex Varyanick <q at cono.org.ua> ???????:
> 2010/8/3 Maxim Vuets <maxim.vuets at gmail.com>:
>> 2010/8/3 Vladimir Vasilenko <jeltoesolnce at aol.com>:
>>
>>> ??????? ?????????? ? ???????? Perl, ??????????? ?? ????????, ?????
>>> ?????????????).
>>
>> ??????? ?? ??? ???????? ????? ?????? --- ??? ?????? ?????? ? ???? ?????????? (:
>
> ? ???? ?? ??????..
>
> --
> Varyanick I. Alex
> icq: 102 575 440
> skype: cono..
> q at cono.org.ua
>

From q at cono.org.ua  Wed Aug  4 00:09:44 2010
From: q at cono.org.ua (Alex Varyanick)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 10:09:44 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6INCf0YDQvtGJ0LDQvdC40LUg0YEg0LPRg9Cz0LvQvtC/0L7Rh9GC0L7QuSku?=
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References: <op.vgunkx0jt0v7kw@gray.homenetwork>
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2010/8/3 Maxim Vuets <maxim.vuets at gmail.com>:
> 2010/8/3 Vladimir Vasilenko <jeltoesolnce at aol.com>:
>
>> ??????? ?????????? ? ???????? Perl, ??????????? ?? ????????, ?????
>> ?????????????).
>
> ??????? ?? ??? ???????? ????? ?????? --- ??? ?????? ?????? ? ???? ?????????? (:

? ???? ?? ??????..

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From maxim.vuets at gmail.com  Tue Aug  3 13:38:08 2010
From: maxim.vuets at gmail.com (Maxim Vuets)
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2010/8/3 Vladimir Vasilenko <jeltoesolnce at aol.com>:

> ??????? ?????????? ? ???????? Perl, ??????????? ?? ????????, ?????
> ?????????????).

??????? ?? ??? ???????? ????? ?????? --- ??? ?????? ?????? ? ???? ?????????? (:

-- 
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From jeltoesolnce at aol.com  Mon Aug  2 23:42:22 2010
From: jeltoesolnce at aol.com (Vladimir Vasilenko)
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 09:42:22 +0300
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??????? ?????????? ? ???????? Perl, ??????????? ?? ????????, ?????  
?????????????).


???????? ?????????,
???????????.

?. ???????????,
?????????? ?????????.


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???? ????? ?????????? ?? ?????, ? ????? ??????? ?????????????, ? ???? ?????? VoIP ??????? ????? 80k$ ???? ????? (? ?????? ??????? 10?$), ??? ?????? ????????? ??????? ?? ????? 

 

 

 

???? ????? ????????? ???????, ??????, ????????, ?? ??? ?????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ????????? ???????? ?? ????????, ?? ?????? ????? ? ?? ????.???, ??? ??? ???? ????? ????? ???????? ??? ??? ???????? ? ????? ?????! 

 

 

 

???? ???-?? ????? "????????" - ????? ?? ????? ????????? 50?-500?$ ?? ???? ????? ??????? ?????? ????? ?????? ?? ????? ??????, ?? ????? "????????", ??? ?????????? ?????? ????-?? ?? ????... :)   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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????: Aug 09, 2010  09:39:01
????: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re[4]: ?????????????

?? ???? ??????????? ? ???? ????? ??????????, ?? ??? ??? ???????, ????
 > ???? ????? ???????. ?????? ? ???? ?????? ???????????...??????? ???
 > ??????? '???????????? ???????????', ? ?????? ?? ??????? ?????????
 > ????????????? ???????. ?????????? ??????????? ?? ??? ??????? ??????????
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 > ??????? ? ???? ???????? ???? ??????. ?????? ????? ?????, ??? ???????,
 > ??????, ???????, ?? ????? ??????? ??? ????????? ? ????? ????
 > ?????????????? ??????????, ??????????? ???? ??????? ????????, ?? ??
 > ????????? ??????? ????????? ??????????. ? ??????? ??? ?? Perl Mova ?
 > ????????? ??? ??? - ??????? ????????? ? ???????? ?????? ????? ??
 > ???????? ???????? ????????, ??-?? ???????? ???? ??????? ??? ?????????.
 > ?????? ??????, ??????? ??? ???????, ??????????????? ?? ?????? ? ???????
 > ??????? ????? ???????????? - '? ???'
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 > ???? ?? Brainfuck-e, ?? ?? ?? ??? ? ?????, ??????????? ???-?? ???????.
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? ???? ?? ?????
??? ? ???????? - ????? ??????? ?????? ??????? ????????? ?? ????? (???????) ? ?? ?????, ? ???? ?? ?? ???????, ?? ?????? ?????? ???? ????????? ???? ?????????????? ?????????, ?? ? ??? ????????? ???? "???-?? ? ????????? ?? ?????, ???? ?? ??? ??????????"..

????????? ???????????????? ??????? ?? ??????, ??????, ?????? ????????.

??, ? ????? ??????: "??????? ?????? ??????? ????? ?????????", ?????? "?????? ?????? ?? ??????? ????? ?????????".
??????? ? ? ??????? ???? ?? ????? ?????? ??????? ?????-?? ?????? ? ???? ???????? ???????? ??????????, ?? ? ?????? ????-?? ??????? ;)

09.08.10, 10:39, "Serg V. Gulko" <s.gulko at gmail.com>:
> ?? ???? ??????????? ? ???? ????? ??????????, ?? ??? ??? ???????, ???? ???? ????? ???????. ?????? ? ???? ?????? ???????????...??????? ??? ??????? '???????????? ???????????', ? ?????? ?? ??????? ????????? ????????????? ???????. ?????????? ??????????? ?? ??? ??????? ?????????? ??? ????????? ????????? CMS:)


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?? ???? ??????????? ? ???? ????? ??????????, ?? ??? ??? ???????, ????
???? ????? ???????. ?????? ? ???? ?????? ???????????...??????? ???
??????? '???????????? ???????????', ? ?????? ?? ??????? ?????????
????????????? ???????. ?????????? ??????????? ?? ??? ??????? ??????????
??? ????????? ????????? CMS:) 
??????? ? ???? ???????? ???? ??????. ?????? ????? ?????, ??? ???????,
??????, ???????, ?? ????? ??????? ??? ????????? ? ????? ????
?????????????? ??????????, ??????????? ???? ??????? ????????, ?? ??
????????? ??????? ????????? ??????????. ? ??????? ??? ?? Perl Mova ?
????????? ??? ??? - ??????? ????????? ? ???????? ?????? ????? ??
???????? ???????? ????????, ??-?? ???????? ???? ??????? ??? ?????????.
?????? ??????, ??????? ??? ???????, ??????????????? ?? ?????? ? ???????
??????? ????? ???????????? - '? ???'
? ???????, ??? ???????? ?????? ????????? ?????? ????? ? ?????? ?????????
???? ?? Brainfuck-e, ?? ?? ?? ??? ? ?????, ??????????? ???-?? ???????.
?? ????? ?????????? ??????????? ? ????? '? ????? ??? ? ????? ???????
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08.08.10, 23:44, "Alex Varyanick" <q at cono.org.ua>:
> 2010/8/8 ??????? ???????? :
>  > ????? ?? ????? ??? ???? ??????? ?? ?????????.
>  > ??? ?????? ????????? ?? ???????:
>  > type
>  >    my_type: 0..maxint;
>  > var
>  >   a: my_type;
>  > begin
>  >    a:=-1;
>  > end;
>  > ... ??????? ??????????
>  >>>
>  >>> % perl6 -e 'subset Positive of Int where { $_ > 0 }; my Positive $x =
>  >>> -1;'
>  >>> Type check failed for assignment

??? ?????? ?? ?? ??? ? ???? ? ????, ?? ?? ??????.
????????, ? ??? ??????? ?????????? ??? ?????????? ????????? ??????? ????????.
Pascal, Modula, Ada ??? ??? ? ??????????????? ???????? ??? ????????????? ???????????? ????, ? ?????????? ? ???? ???????? ?? ????????? ????????? ? ??????? ?????-?? ????????, ??? ?? ????????? ????? ?????????, ? ? Perl5 ??? ???????? ????? ?????????? ?????.

????? ?????? ??????????? ? ????????? ?????????? ????, ?? ????????? ?????? ???? ? ??? ????? ?????? ????? ???????? ?? ?????????? ?????????, ? ????? ??? ??????? ??????? ? ? ??????????? ???????????? ????????????.

??????, ????? ???????, ? ??? ??? ????? ????? ??? ? ?????????????, ??????????? ?????????? ????? ???????????? ????-?????.

>  > ? ?? ????? ???????????? ??? ?????? unsigned.
>  > ? ????? ?????? ?????? ?????-??????? ?????????? unsigned.

??? ?????-?? ??????? ??????? unsigned ? ??????, ?? ??? ?????? ?????? ??? ????? ? ?? ???????.
????? ? ?? ???????????? ?????????? ??????, ? ? ????? ??? ????? ???-?? ?????????.

>  ? ?6, ??? ????? ??????:
>  % perl6 -e 'multi sub nu ($x where {$_ > 0}) { say "positive $x" };
>  multi sub nu($x) { say "negative $x" }; nu(5); nu(-1);'
>  positive 5
>  negative -1

??? ?? ???????. ??? ?????????????? ????? - ??? ??????? ???????????? ????????? ???, ??? ??????? ?? ??????? ????????????? ???????? ? ?????? ???????? ??????? ??? ?????? ?????????, ????? ???? ?????? ????????.

?????? ?????????????? ????? ???? ???????? ????????? ??????? ????????? ??????????, ? ??? ??????????, ?????????? ????????? ?????? ?????, ?????????? ????? ??? ?????????? ??????????? ?????? ??? ???????????? ??????, ?????? ??? ? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ??????? ?????? ?? ??????? ?????????? ???????, ? ? ?????????? ????????? ??????? ??? ?? ??????? ??????????? ????????? ????.


From q7u5 at ukr.net  Sun Aug  8 14:00:07 2010
From: q7u5 at ukr.net (Dmitrii)
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 00:00:07 +0300
Subject: =?WINDOWS-1251?Q?Re[8]:_=CF=EE=EF=F3=EB=FF=F0=E8=E7=E0=F6=E8=FF?=
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        MVC Catalyst? ??????? Catalyst::DispatchType::Chained    ????? ? ?? ?????, ? ?????? ????????? ???????????, ????????,? Symfony php - ??? ???????? ????? ????????....    sub blog : Chained PathPart('blog') CaptureArgs(0) { }    
? sub user : Chained('blog') PathPart('user') CaptureArgs(1) {    
? my ( $self, $c, $id_un ) = @_;    
? $c->stash->{ message } = "Hello 2";    
? $c->stash->{ arg_sum }->[0] = $id_un;    
? }    
? sub view : Chained('user') PathPart('view') CaptureArgs(1) {    
? my ( $self, $c, $id ) = @_;    
? $c->stash->{ message } .= "World!";    
? $c->stash->{ arg_sum }->[1] = $id;    
? }    
? sub view_page_off : Chained('view') PathPart('') Args(1) {    
? my ( $self, $c, $page ) = @_;    
? ?    
? $c->stash->{ arg_sum }->[2] = $page;    
? ?    
? $c->forward( 'view_blog_message', $c->stash->{ arg_sum } );    
? ?    
? }    
??    
??    
? sub view_off : Chained('view') PathPart('') Args(0) {    
? my ( $self, $c ) = @_;    
? $c->forward( 'view_blog_message', [ $c->stash->{ arg_sum } );    
? ?    
? }    
? sub view_page_user : Chained('user') PathPart('') Args(1) {    
? my ( $self, $c, $page ) = @_;    
? $c->stash->{ arg_sum }->[1] = $page;    
? ?    
# print '666';    
? $c->forward( 'view_blog', ?$c->stash->{ arg_sum } );    
? ?    
? }    
??    
? sub view_user : Chained('user') PathPart('') Args(0) {    
? my ( $self, $c ) = @_;    
? $c->forward( 'view_blog', $c->stash->{ arg_sum } );    
? ?    
? ?    
? }    
??    
    
    ===============================    | Path Spec | Private |    
+-------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+    
| /blog/user/*/view/* | /blog/blog (0) |    
| | -> /blog/user (1) |    
| | -> /blog/view (1) |    
| | => /blog/view_off |    
| /blog/user/*/view/*/* | /blog/blog (0) |    
| | -> /blog/user (1) |    
| | -> /blog/view (1) |    
| | => /blog/view_page_off |    
| /blog/user/*/* | /blog/blog (0) |    
| | -> /blog/user (1) |    
| | => /blog/view_page_user |    
| /blog/user/* | /blog/blog (0) |    
| | -> /blog/user (1) |    
| | => /blog/view_user |    
'-------------------------------------+--------------------------------------'    
    
    
        
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?? ????: ??????? ???????? <notformat at gmail.com>    
????: kiev-perl-users-group at googlegroups.com    
????: 8 ???????, 23:08:33    
????: Re: Re: Re: Re[4]: ?????????????    
    
    >    
> ????? ?????????? ??????: IP-??????, Perl5    
> ???? IPType.pm    
>    
> package IPType;    
> use Regexp::Common 2.105;    
> use MooseX::Types::Moose qw( Str );    
> use MooseX::Types -declare => [ qw(IP) ];    
>    
> subtype IP, as Str, where {    
> $_ =~ /\A $RE{net}{IPv4} \z/msx    
> }, message {    
> "'$_' is not a valid IP";    
> };    
>    
> ???? typed.pl    
>    
> use IPType qw/IP/;    
> use MooseX::Lexical::Types qw/IP/;    
>    
> my IP $foo; # declare typed variable    
> $foo = '192.168.1.1'; # works    
> $foo = 'bar'; # fails    
    
import java.util.regex.*;    
    
public class TestRegexp {    
public static final Pattern pattern = Pattern.compile    
("[a-zA-Z]{1}[a-zA-Z\d\u002E\u005F]+@([a-zA-Z]+\u002E){1,2}((net)|(com)|(org))");    
    
public static void doMatch(String word) {    
String output = "Validation for " + word;    
Matcher matcher = pattern.matcher(word);    
if (matcher.matches())    
output += " passed."    
else    
output += " not passed."    
System.out.println(output);    
}    
    
public static void main(String[] args) {    
doMatch("c0nst at money.simply.net");    
doMatch("somebody at dev.com.ua");    
doMatch("Name.Sur_name at gmail.com");    
doMatch("useR33 at somewhere.in.the.net");    
}    
    
}    
?? ? ???? ???? ? ? ???? ?????????? ?????????.    
    
  
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>
> ????? ?????????? ??????: IP-??????, Perl5
> ???? IPType.pm
>
> package IPType;
> use Regexp::Common 2.105;
> use MooseX::Types::Moose qw( Str );
> use MooseX::Types -declare => [ qw(IP) ];
>
> subtype IP, as Str, where {
>        $_ =~ /\A $RE{net}{IPv4} \z/msx
> }, message {
>        "'$_' is not a valid IP";
> };
>
> ???? typed.pl
>
>    use IPType qw/IP/;
>    use MooseX::Lexical::Types qw/IP/;
>
>    my IP $foo;   # declare typed variable
>    $foo = '192.168.1.1';     # works
>    $foo = 'bar';  # fails



import java.util.regex.*;

public class TestRegexp {
    public static final Pattern pattern = Pattern.compile
            ("[a-zA-Z]{1}[a-zA-Z\d\u002E\u005F]+@([a-zA-Z]+\u002E){1,2}((net)|(com)|(org))");

    public static void doMatch(String word) {
        String output = "Validation for " + word;
        Matcher matcher = pattern.matcher(word);
        if (matcher.matches())
            output += " passed."
        else
            output += " not passed."
        System.out.println(output);
    }

    public static void main(String[] args) {
        doMatch("c0nst at money.simply.net");
        doMatch("somebody at dev.com.ua");
        doMatch("Name.Sur_name at gmail.com");
        doMatch("useR33 at somewhere.in.the.net");
    }

}
?? ? ???? ???? ? ? ???? ?????????? ?????????.
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>
> ? ?6, ??? ????? ??????:
> % perl6 -e 'multi sub nu ($x where {$_ > 0}) { say "positive $x" };
> multi sub nu($x) { say "negative $x" }; nu(5); nu(-1);'
> positive 5
> negative -1


?? ????? ? ????? ??? ????? ???????? ????? ?????:

public class myy{
   private int dat;
   function myy(int par){
      if(par>0){
         System.out.print("positive");
      }else{
         System.out.print("negative");
      }
     this.dat = par;
    System.out.println(this.dat);
   }
}

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??????

2010/8/8 ??????? ???????? <notformat at gmail.com>:
>> ?? ??????? ? ?????????, ??? ??? ???????? ???, ??????????, ? Java ????? ???
>> ????:
>> 1. "????? ????? ?????? ????"
>> 2. "??? ?????? ?????".
>
> ??????, ? ???? ?? ???? ??? ??? ??????????? ?? ? ????? ?? ? ?????.

????? ?????????? ??????: IP-??????, Perl5
???? IPType.pm

package IPType;
use Regexp::Common 2.105;
use MooseX::Types::Moose qw( Str );
use MooseX::Types -declare => [ qw(IP) ];

subtype IP, as Str, where {
	$_ =~ /\A $RE{net}{IPv4} \z/msx
}, message {
	"'$_' is not a valid IP";
};

???? typed.pl

    use IPType qw/IP/;
    use MooseX::Lexical::Types qw/IP/;

    my IP $foo;   # declare typed variable
    $foo = '192.168.1.1';     # works
    $foo = 'bar';  # fails



-- 
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From q at cono.org.ua  Sun Aug  8 12:44:14 2010
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2010/8/8 ??????? ???????? <notformat at gmail.com>:
> ????? ?? ????? ??? ???? ??????? ?? ?????????.
> ??? ?????? ????????? ?? ???????:
> type
> ?? my_type: 0..maxint;
> var
> ??a: my_type;
> begin
> ?? a:=-1;
> end;
> ... ??????? ??????????
>>>
>>> % perl6 -e 'subset Positive of Int where { $_ > 0 }; my Positive $x =
>>> -1;'
>>> Type check failed for assignment
>
> ? ?? ????? ???????????? ??? ?????? unsigned.
> ? ????? ?????? ?????? ?????-??????? ?????????? unsigned.

? ?6, ??? ????? ??????:
% perl6 -e 'multi sub nu ($x where {$_ > 0}) { say "positive $x" };
multi sub nu($x) { say "negative $x" }; nu(5); nu(-1);'
positive 5
negative -1

-- 
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????? ?? ????? ??? ???? ??????? ?? ?????????.
??? ?????? ????????? ?? ???????:
type
   my_type: 0..maxint;
var
  a: my_type;
begin
   a:=-1;
end;

... ??????? ??????????

> % perl6 -e 'subset Positive of Int where { $_ > 0 }; my Positive $x = -1;'
>> Type check failed for assignment
>
>
? ?? ????? ???????????? ??? ?????? unsigned.

? ????? ?????? ?????? ?????-??????? ?????????? unsigned.
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From simne at yandex.ru  Sun Aug  8 11:39:12 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2010 22:39:12 +0400
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08.08.10, 14:47, "??????? ????????" <notformat at gmail.com>:
> > ?? ??????? ? ?????????, ??? ??? ???????? ???, ??????????, ? Java ????? ??? ????:
> > 1. "????? ????? ?????? ????"
> > 2. "??? ?????? ?????".
> 
> ??????, ? ???? ?? ???? ??? ??? ??????????? ?? ? ????? ?? ? ?????.

? ?? ?????? ????? ??????? - ?????? ???? ???? ????????, ?? ? ????????? ??? ?????????? ???????? ????????? ????????, ??? ??? ???????? ?? Perl5 ? ???????? ?? ?????? ??????.


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>
> % perl6 -e 'subset Positive of Int where { $_ > 0 }; my Positive $x = -1;'
> Type check failed for assignment
>
> % perl6 -e 'subset Positive of Int where { $_ > 0 }; my Positive $x =
> 42; $x.say'
> 42


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From q at cono.org.ua  Sun Aug  8 09:58:17 2010
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2010/8/8 ??????? ???????? <notformat at gmail.com>:
> ???.
>>
>> ?????? ???? ??????? ???-?? ??? Perl6:)

% perl6 -e 'subset Positive of Int where { $_ > 0 }; my Positive $x = -1;'
Type check failed for assignment

% perl6 -e 'subset Positive of Int where { $_ > 0 }; my Positive $x =
42; $x.say'
42

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From simne at yandex.ru  Sun Aug  8 04:48:44 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2010 15:48:44 +0400
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08.08.10, 15:30, "??????? ????????" <podwar2008 at gmail.com>:
> ? ????? ??? ????? ????????????? Perl. ??? ????? ???? ??????? ????? Perl ? ?????? ????? ???????? ????????.

???? ???????? ????????? ??????, ??????????? ??? ?????? ??????? ?????? :)
? ?????????, ?????? ?? ?????? ??? ??? ???? ???????????? Perl.

> ???? ? ?????? ??????? ??? ? ????????????? Perl ??????? ???? ??????? ??????? ????????? ???????????? ? ????? ??????????.

? ??? ??????? ????????? ?????????????? ???? ?????? ????? ?????? ???? ;)


From podwar2008 at gmail.com  Sun Aug  8 04:30:37 2010
From: podwar2008 at gmail.com (=?KOI8-R?B?5dfHxc7JyiDy1cTexc7Lzw==?=)
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? ????? ??? ????? ????????????? Perl. ??? ????? ???? ??????? ????? Perl ?
?????? ????? ???????? ????????. ???? ? ?????? ??????? ??? ? ?????????????
Perl ??????? ???? ??????? ??????? ????????? ???????????? ? ????? ??????????.
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> ?????? ???? ??????? ???-?? ??? Perl6:)
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From s.gulko at gmail.com  Sun Aug  8 03:50:13 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (Serg Gulko)
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2010 13:50:13 +0300
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?????? ???? ??????? ???-?? ??? Perl6:)

? ???, 08/08/2010 ? 14:47 +0400, ??????? ???????? ?????:
>         ?? ??????? ? ?????????, ??? ??? ???????? ???, ??????????, ?
>         Java ????? ??? ????:
>         1. "????? ????? ?????? ????"
>         2. "??? ?????? ?????".
> 
> ??????, ? ???? ?? ???? ??? ??? ??????????? ?? ? ????? ?? ? ?????.




From notformat at gmail.com  Sun Aug  8 03:47:04 2010
From: notformat at gmail.com (=?KOI8-R?B?5dfHxc7JyiDrwdLQxc7Lzw==?=)
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>
> ?? ??????? ? ?????????, ??? ??? ???????? ???, ??????????, ? Java ????? ???
> ????:
> 1. "????? ????? ?????? ????"
> 2. "??? ?????? ?????".
>

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From simne at yandex.ru  Sat Aug  7 15:10:03 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
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08.08.10, 00:13, "??????? ????????" <notformat at gmail.com>:
> > ????????, ???????? ??? ??????????, ??? ? Java ??????? "?????? ????"? ? ??? ?????? "??? ??????"?
> 
> ? ??????? ?? ????? ??????. ????????? ?????????.

?? ??????? ? ?????????, ??? ??? ???????? ???, ??????????, ? Java ????? ??? ????:
1. "????? ????? ?????? ????"
2. "??? ?????? ?????".


From notformat at gmail.com  Sat Aug  7 13:13:54 2010
From: notformat at gmail.com (=?KOI8-R?B?5dfHxc7JyiDrwdLQxc7Lzw==?=)
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>
> ????????, ???????? ??? ??????????, ??? ? Java ??????? "?????? ????"? ? ???
> ?????? "??? ??????"?
>

? ??????? ?? ????? ??????. ????????? ?????????.
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From simne at yandex.ru  Fri Aug  6 13:21:10 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 00:21:10 +0400
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06.08.10, 22:31, "??????? ????????" <notformat at gmail.com>:
> > ? ??? ????, ??????, ?????????...
> ?? ????? ?? ????? ?????? ???? ?????. ? ??? ????????? ???????.

??? ???? ???????? ??? ????????? - ???? ??????? ??????????? ????? ??? ?????.

??????? ? ????????? ???? ??? ???????:
1. ???????????? ????? ??????? ?????? ??????? ????????????? ????? ? ?? ??????.
2. ?????? ?? ?????? ?????? ??????, ????? ?????????? ???????????? ? ???????, ??????? ?? ???????? ? ???? ??????????? ??? ??????? ????.

????????, ??? ? ???? ????? ??? ??????????? ????? ?????? ?????, ?? ???? ??????, ?????? ?? ????? ????????, ? ??? ?????? ????? ??????????? ??????????.

?? ??????? ?????? ????? ?? ??????? ?????? ????? ??????????????? ??????????, ??????? ????????? ??????????, ??????????? ????? ???????????, ??? ?????? ?????????? ?? ????? ?? ???????, ???????????? ??? ??????? ????, ??? ??? ?????? ??????? ? ??? ? ? ??????.
? ??? ????????? Moose ????????? ?????, ? ????????????, ??????? ???? ??????? ?????????, ?????? ???????????? ????? ??? ??????????? ??????.
????????, ???????? ??? ??????????, ??? ? Java ??????? "?????? ????"? ? ??? ?????? "??? ??????"?


From maxim.vuets at gmail.com  Fri Aug  6 11:45:09 2010
From: maxim.vuets at gmail.com (Maxim Vuets)
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2010/8/6 ??????? ???????? <notformat at gmail.com>:
>> ? ??? ????, ??????, ?????????...
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> ?? ????? ?? ????? ?????? ???? ?????. ? ??? ????????? ???????.

????????????, ??-??.

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From: notformat at gmail.com (=?KOI8-R?B?5dfHxc7JyiDrwdLQxc7Lzw==?=)
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From maxim.vuets at gmail.com  Fri Aug  6 11:30:21 2010
From: maxim.vuets at gmail.com (Maxim Vuets)
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2010/8/6 ??????? ???????? <notformat at gmail.com>:

>> ?????? ??? ?? ???, ? ????????? ?????? q:
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06.08.10, 17:24, "??????? ????????" <notformat at gmail.com>:
> > ?? ??? ??? ?????? ??? ?? ??? ? ????????? - PHP ??? ?????? ????? ??????? ???? ??????????? ?????-?? ???? ???????????? ???????? - ? ????????????????? ?? ?????? ???? ???????.
>  
> ? ?? ???????? ?? ??????? ?? ???, ? ???? ????? ? ?? ???? ? ???????????, ?????? ??? ???? ???-?????????? ???? ?? ????, ? ?????? ??? ?????? ???? ??? ???? ????? ????????? ?? ?????? ???????????????? ??????? ? ???????? ?????????? ???? ?????, ??????, ??????????, ???.

"??? ???? ????? ??????????" ??? ??????????.

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??? ?????????? ??????? ???, ??? ????????? ????? ???? ?? ???, ?? ??? ?????? ????? ?? ???????, ?????? ??? ? ?????????? ??????????? ??????? ??????? ??????????.
??? Perl ??? ??????????? ??????? ? ???????????? ????????????? ? ??? ????? ? ??? ?????? :) , ?? ??????? ????? ?????? ?? ?????, ?? ???? ??????? ? ?????????? ????????? ????, ? ????????????? 3-?? ????????? ?? ????? ???????, ? PHP ? ?????? ??? ???-?? ????? Ford-T - ?????????? ??? ???????.
?? ??? ???? ???????? ?????????, ?? Perl ??????????? ???????? ??????????????.

??????, ???? Perl+Catalyst ??? Perl+Mojo ????????????? ????? ??????? ???????? ??? ???, ?? ? ????? ????????? Perl ? ??? ??????????? ???? ?????? ?????, ?????? ??? ????????????? ??????? ????.
?? ??, ??????? ????? ????? ???-?? ???????????? ??????????????????, ?? ????????? inline::????-??_???; ???? ??? ??????????? XS, ?? ??? ??? ?????????? ??????? ????????..

> > ?? 10 ??? ?????? ??????????, ? Perl ? ????????? ?????????? ?????? ?????, ??? ?????? ? ??????? ????? ???????????..
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From simne at yandex.ru  Fri Aug  6 05:57:42 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
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06.08.10, 12:13, "??????? ????????" <notformat at gmail.com>:
> > ?????? ??? ???????????? ?? php ? ?? ????????? ?? ?????? ????? - ???????????? ???? ???????? ?? ?????-?? ????? ?????? ??????...
> ??? ???????

?? ??? ??? ?????? ??? ?? ??? ? ????????? - PHP ??? ?????? ????? ??????? ???? ??????????? ?????-?? ???? ???????????? ???????? - ? ????????????????? ?? ?????? ???? ???????.
? ? ????????????? ???????????, ??? ???? ????? ??????, ??? ?? ????? ?? ?? ??? ???????????, ? ?????? ???????-?????? ???????? ?????????????? ??????????, ?? ?????? ??????? ???????? ? ?????????????? ?????????????, ? ??? ? ????? ?? ????? ????????, ? ??????? ??????? ?????? ?? ????????? ??? ???????? ?????????? ????? ??????? ??????????.

> > "Perl ?? ?????????????? ?????????? ????"
> > ? ??? ??? ?????? :)
> >  ??? ????????? ? 1000 ??? ????? ??? ? java,C++
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? Perl ?????? ??????????? ??? ??????? ????? ??????, ? PDL ?????????? ?? ??? ????????? ?????? ???????????????? ??????.
?????? 10 ??? ????? ???????????? ?????????, ????? ??????????? ???????????? ??? ????? ???????????? ??????? ?????????? ? Perl ? ?????? ??????? ??????.

???????????? ????????? ?????? ? ????? ?????? ???????????????? ??????????? ??????? ??? ???????????, ? ????? ??????????? ???????? ??????????????????, ?? ?????? ??? ?????????????? GC, ?????? ????? ??? ?????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ??????????????? ????..

?? 10 ??? ?????? ??????????, ? Perl ? ????????? ?????????? ?????? ?????, ??? ?????? ? ??????? ????? ???????????..


From dzhariy at gmail.com  Fri Aug  6 05:42:23 2010
From: dzhariy at gmail.com (Dmitry Zhariy)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 15:42:23 +0300
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2 Maxim Vuets
>> ??? ??????
? ??? ?????:

http://www.vinnica.ua/perl/schatli.cgi?id=vin&act=index

? ??? ????: http://www.vinnica.ua/


??, ??????, ? ???? ???? 2005-? ??? ???? ???? ??????. ?????? ??? ??? 5 ???
??? ?????????.


2010/8/6 Maxim Vuets <maxim.vuets at gmail.com>

> ??????, ????? (:
>
> 2010/8/6 Dmitry Zhariy <dzhariy at gmail.com>:
>
> > ? ????? ???????? ????, ?????? ???, ????? ?????, ?????, ??? ??? ??????????
> ??
> > ?? ????? ????????? ??? ??? ??????? ?? ????.
>
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>
> > ? ??? ??, ????????? All, ?????? ??????? Perl? ??????? ????? ? Moose? ?
> > ?????, ??? ????? ??????? ?????? - ??? ? ???? ?????????????.
>
> ??? ???? (? ??? ??, ???? ? ?'????) ???????? ???? ??????? ????????????
> ?? ??????????. ? ???????? ??? ??????????? ????? ?? Delphi
> (?-?-?-?!..), ??????? ???????????? ????? ???? ??????????????? ???????
> ? JPEG-?. ?? ?????????? ??????? ?????-?? ?????? ?? ?????, ???????
> ??????? ?? ?? HTML, ?? ?? PostScript ? ????? ???????; ????? ?????? ??
> ??????? ? ?????? ?? ??????.
>
> ????? ???????? ??? ??? ? ??? ????? ???? ????????, ? ????? ???-??
> ?????? ???? "??????? Perl ?? 24 ????" ? ?????????... (:
>
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From simne at yandex.ru  Fri Aug  6 05:07:31 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 16:07:31 +0400
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??? ??? ??????????? ??????, ? ?? ???? ?????? ???????? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ?? ?????????? ? ???????? ????? ???????? ??????.
?? ???? ???????, ?? ?????? ????????? ???????? ??? ????????????? ????? ?????????, ? ???? ?? ?????? ??????????? ????????? ???????????, ?????? ????? ??????? ???????? ??? ???, ?? ?? ??????? ?????? ????????? (???? ?? ????????? ???????? ???????? ???????), ? ??? ?????? ?????????????, ????? ??????????? ????????? ???????????? ???, ?????? ???, ????? ? ???? ?????????? ??? ??? ??? ?????-?? ??? ???????????? ?????? ?? ??????????, ????? ? ???? ???????? ?????? ????????.

06.08.10, 10:40, "Maxim Vuets" <maxim.vuets at gmail.com>:

> 2010/8/6 Sergeev Serge :
>  
>  > ??. ??? ? Java ?????????? ??????? ??? ?????????? C++ , ???? ?? ????????, ????? ??????????? ????? C++.
>  
>  ??? ???????, ??? ??? ? ????????? --- ??? ?????? ???????. ?????????
>  ??????? ??? ????? ? ? ??, ?? ???????? ?????. ??? ?????????? ????
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From simne at yandex.ru  Fri Aug  6 04:52:11 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 15:52:11 +0400
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06.08.10, 08:03, "Dmitry Zhariy" <dzhariy at gmail.com>:
> ?????? All,
>  
> ??? ???, ??????? ??, ?????? ???? ????????... ??... ? ? ???,?????????? ??????????????
> ? ????? ???????? ????, ?????? ???, ????? ?????, ?????, ?????? ?????????? ?? ?? ????? ????????? ??? ??? ??????? ?? ????. ? ???, ??? ?????? ??? ? ??? ????, ? ????? ? ????????? ???????. ??, ??? ?? ????? ????? ??????????? ? ??? ???? ??? ???? ?????????, ? ??, ????????? ????? ? ??? ??? ?? ?????????? %???????? ????% ??? ????  ???? ???-?? ???????.
> ? ????? ???????????? ???? ??? ??????? ????? ?????, ? ? ?????????????????? ??????? ??????? ? ??????????? ???????.
>  
> ? ??? ??, ????????? All, ?????? ??????? Perl? ??????? ????? ? Moose? ? ?????, ??? ????? ??????? ?????? ? ??? ? ?????????????????.  

? ??????? ??????????????? ??? ? ?????? 1990-?, ????? ??, ???????, ????? ??? ?????????? ???????? ??????? ???????????????? (??????? ?????????? ????? ??????????? ??????), ? ???? ?? ?????? ???????? ?????? ???????? ?++.
?? ? ???? ???????? ??????????????, ?????????????? ? ??????????????? ? ??????, ?? ????????? ????? ?????????? ???? ?????????????, ? ??????????? ?? 2003 ???? ??? ??????????? ???????????? ?? ???? ?????????????, ???? ???????????? ??????????? ?????????? ????? ???????? ?? Java/PHP, ???????? ? ??????????? ????????????, ? ??????? ?????? ????? ? ???? (?? ???????, ? FreeBSD).

??? ? ????? ????? ? ??????? ????, ??? ????????? ??????????? ?????? ?????? ????????, ? ??? ?????????? ???????????? ??? ????????? ???????? ??? ?????????? ?????????? - ? ??? ????? ???, domain specific language, ?????? ????????? (?? ?????? ????????????).
?????? ? ?????? ????????? ???? ?????? ?? ?????????? - ? ????? ??? ??????? ???????? ? ??? ? ? Erlang, ??????? ????????? ??? ? Perl ??? ?? ?? ????? ?????? ?????? (PDL ??? ?????? ????????? ?????? ???? ??????????? ???????).
? ? ????? ???????? ?????, ??? ?? ????? ??? Moose ??????, ?? ??? ???? ???????? ?????? ??????????????? ??????????? ????.

> 2010/8/5 Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru>
> > 06.08.10, 00:56, "Dmitrii" <q7u5 at ukr.net>:
> > > ????????? ?????? - ???????, ?? ??? ???? OOP ?????? ???-?? ?????? ?? java, ? ?????? ??? ?????????? ??? ????? ??????...
> > ??. ??? ? Java ?????????? ??????? ??? ?????????? C++ , ???? ?? ????????, ????? ??????????? ????? C++.
> > ? PHP ??? ????? ??? Java.


From ali at ali.org.ua  Fri Aug  6 03:40:09 2010
From: ali at ali.org.ua (Oleg Alistratov)
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 13:40:09 +0300
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On 06.08.2010 12:27, vti wrote:
> http://blogs.perl.org/users/brian_d_foy/2010/08/how-to-write-about-perl-6.html

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From viacheslav.t at gmail.com  Fri Aug  6 02:27:53 2010
From: viacheslav.t at gmail.com (vti)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 12:27:53 +0300
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPDP0NXM0dLJ2sHDydE=?=
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http://blogs.perl.org/users/brian_d_foy/2010/08/how-to-write-about-perl-6.html

4 ??????? 2010 ?. 15:50 ???????????? Oleg Alistratov <ali at ali.org.ua> ???????:
>
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>
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From q7u5 at ukr.net  Fri Aug  6 01:37:59 2010
From: q7u5 at ukr.net (Dmitrii)
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 11:37:59 +0300
Subject: =?WINDOWS-1251?Q?Fw:_Re[6]:_=CF=EE=EF=F3=EB=FF=F0=E8=E7=E0=F6=E8?=
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????????, ????? ???? ?? ??????? ??????? ?? ???????? ? ??????? ?? ??????, ???????? ???? ??? ???????? ?????-??...        
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From: q7u5 at ukr.net (Dmitrii)
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 11:37:04 +0300
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From angel at feht.dgtu.donetsk.ua  Thu Aug  5 23:47:02 2010
From: angel at feht.dgtu.donetsk.ua (Aleksander Gorohovski)
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 09:47:02 +0300
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On Fri, 06 Aug 2010 09:20:29 +0300, Maxim Vuets  wrote:

> ??????, ????? (:
>
> 2010/8/6 Dmitry Zhariy :
>
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From maxim.vuets at gmail.com  Thu Aug  5 23:40:20 2010
From: maxim.vuets at gmail.com (Maxim Vuets)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 09:40:20 +0300
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IFJlWzRdOiDwz9DVzNHSydrBw8nR?=
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2010/8/6 Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru>:

> ??. ??? ? Java ?????????? ??????? ??? ?????????? C++ , ???? ?? ????????, ????? ??????????? ????? C++.

??? ???????, ??? ??? ? ????????? --- ??? ?????? ???????. ?????????
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???????? ???? ? ???? (:

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From maxim.vuets at gmail.com  Thu Aug  5 23:20:29 2010
From: maxim.vuets at gmail.com (Maxim Vuets)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 09:20:29 +0300
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IFJlWzRdOiDwz9DVzNHSydrBw8nR?=
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??????, ????? (:

2010/8/6 Dmitry Zhariy <dzhariy at gmail.com>:

> ? ????? ???????? ????, ?????? ???, ????? ?????, ?????, ??? ??? ?????????? ??
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(?-?-?-?!..), ??????? ???????????? ????? ???? ??????????????? ???????
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??????? ?? ?? HTML, ?? ?? PostScript ? ????? ???????; ????? ?????? ??
??????? ? ?????? ?? ??????.

????? ???????? ??? ??? ? ??? ????? ???? ????????, ? ????? ???-??
?????? ???? "??????? Perl ?? 24 ????" ? ?????????... (:

-- 
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From dzhariy at gmail.com  Thu Aug  5 21:03:52 2010
From: dzhariy at gmail.com (Dmitry Zhariy)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 00:03:52 -0400
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IFJlWzRdOiDwz9DVzNHSydrBw8nR?=
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? ??? ??, ????????? All, ?????? ??????? Perl? ??????? ????? ? Moose? ?
?????, ??? ????? ??????? ?????? - ??? ? ???? ?????????????.

2010/8/5 Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru>

> 06.08.10, 00:56, "Dmitrii" <q7u5 at ukr.net>:
> > ????????? ?????? - ???????, ?? ??? ???? OOP ?????? ???-?? ?????? ?? java,
> ? ?????? ??? ?????????? ??? ????? ??????...
>
> ??. ??? ? Java ?????????? ??????? ??? ?????????? C++ , ???? ?? ????????,
> ????? ??????????? ????? C++.
> ? PHP ??? ????? ??? Java.
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From simne at yandex.ru  Thu Aug  5 14:32:28 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 01:32:28 +0400
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?UmU6IFJlWzRdOiDwz9DVzNHSydrBw8nR?=
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06.08.10, 00:56, "Dmitrii" <q7u5 at ukr.net>:
> ????????? ?????? - ???????, ?? ??? ???? OOP ?????? ???-?? ?????? ?? java, ? ?????? ??? ?????????? ??? ????? ??????...

??. ??? ? Java ?????????? ??????? ??? ?????????? C++ , ???? ?? ????????, ????? ??????????? ????? C++.
? PHP ??? ????? ??? Java.

>  ?????? ?????? ? ?? ?????? ? ???...
>  ?????? ??? ???????????? ?? php ? ?? ????????? ?? ?????? ????? - ???????????? ???? ???????? ?? ?????-?? ????? ?????? ??????...

?? ?? ???? ???? ??????????????. ??????? ???? ???? ?????????? - ?? PHP ???????? ????? ????? ??????????, ?????? ????? ? ??????? ?? ??????????? ????? ??????????, ? ???-?? Perl ??? ?? ??????? ?????? ? ???????? - ?? ??? ??? ??????? ???????.

>  "Perl ?? ?????????????? ?????????? ????"
>  ? ??? ??? ?????? :)
>  ??? ????????? ? 1000 ??? ????? ??? ? java,C++
>  _http://search.cpan.org/~rkitover/MooseX-Types-0.21/lib/MooseX/Types.pm
>  
> _http://search.cpan.org/~flora/Moose-1.03/lib/Moose/Manual/Types.pod 
>  
> _http://search.cpan.org/~flora/Moose-1.03/lib/Moose/Util/TypeConstraints.pm 

??????, ? Perl ????? ??????? ??????? ???????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ?????, ? ??????? ??? ???????? ????????.

?????????? ? ??? ??? ???????, ??? Perl ????? ??? ?? ???? ???? (??? ???? ?? ??????? ???? 3 ????????), ? ????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ??? ????? Perl, ? ????? ?????????? ????? ??????? ???????, ????????? ? ?????? 10-?????? ????????..

> --- ???????? ????????? --- 
> ?? ????: ??????? ???????? 
> ????: kiev-perl-users-group at googlegroups.com 
> ????: Aug 05, 2010 13:20:59 
> ????: Re: Re[2]: ????????????? 
>  
>  
> > > 
> > > Ruby ?????? ??????? ????, ????, ????? ? Python... 
> > > 
> > > ??? ?? Java ??????, ?????? ????? ?? ???... 
> > > 
> > ??? ????? ? ????? ??????? ? ??? ???? ?????????? ??????. Java ??????? 
> > ?????????????? ????, ? Python ??? ? ???????? ??? ? Perl ?? ?????????????? 
> > ?????????? ????. ?? Java'? ????? ? ???????? desktop ??????????, ?? ? ? 
> > Perl"?? ? ???? ??????? ????? ??????, ??????? ???? ?????????? ?? ??? Perl 
> > ????? ?????? ???? ??? web-????????????????. 


From q7u5 at ukr.net  Thu Aug  5 13:58:30 2010
From: q7u5 at ukr.net (Dmitrii)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 23:58:30 +0300
Subject: =?WINDOWS-1251?Q?Fw:_Re[2]:_=CF=EE=EF=F3=EB=FF=F0=E8=E7=E0=F6=E8?=
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        ????? ???????? ?????? MooseX, ????? ?????????? ??? php :)    
    
    
    
    
    
(? Moose/MooseX ???? ?????? ? ????? ???????? ?????????????, ?? ????? ?????, ??? java, C++, etc )    
    
        
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
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?? ????: Oleg Alistratov <ali at ali.org.ua>    
????: kiev-perl-users-group at googlegroups.com    
????: Aug 04, 2010 18:25:57    
????: Re: ?????????????    
    
>    
> On 04.08.2010 18:19, ??????? ???????? wrote:    
> > ????? ???????? ??????? ??????? ? ??? ???????????. ?????????? ??? ?????    
> > ?????? ?? PHP ? ??????? ??????? ????? ????????? ???????? ?? Perl. ????    
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>    
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> ??? ?? ????????.    
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From q7u5 at ukr.net  Thu Aug  5 13:57:19 2010
From: q7u5 at ukr.net (Dmitrii)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 23:57:19 +0300
Subject: =?WINDOWS-1251?Q?Fw:_Re[2]:_=CF=EE=EF=F3=EB=FF=F0=E8=E7=E0=F6=E8?=
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?? ????: "Dmitrii" <q7u5 at ukr.net>    
????: kiev-perl-users-group at googlegroups.com    
????: 4 ???????, 19:06:00    
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????? ???????? ?????? MooseX, ????? ?????????? ??? php :)    
    
    
    
    
    
(? Moose/MooseX ???? ?????? ? ????? ???????? ?????????????, ?? ????? ?????, ??? java, C++, etc )    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
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?? ????: Oleg Alistratov <ali at ali.org.ua>    
????: kiev-perl-users-group at googlegroups.com    
????: Aug 04, 2010 18:25:57    
????: Re: ?????????????    
    
>    
> On 04.08.2010 18:19, ??????? ???????? wrote:    
> > ????? ???????? ??????? ??????? ? ??? ???????????. ?????????? ??? ?????    
> > ?????? ?? PHP ? ??????? ??????? ????? ????????? ???????? ?? Perl. ????    
> > ????? ??? ??? PHP ?? ?????? ???????? ??? ???? ????????    
>    
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> ??? ?? ????????.    
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From q7u5 at ukr.net  Thu Aug  5 13:56:10 2010
From: q7u5 at ukr.net (Dmitrii)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 23:56:10 +0300
Subject: Ïîïóëÿðèçàöèÿ
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????????? ?????? - ???????, ?? ??? ???? OOP ?????? ???-?? ?????? ?? java, ? ?????? ??? ?????????? ??? ????? ??????...  

?????? ?????? ? ?? ?????? ? ???... 

 

 

 

 

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"Perl ?? ?????????????? ?????????? ????" 

 

 

? ??? ??? ?????? :) 

 

 

??? ????????? ? 1000 ??? ????? ??? ? java,C++ 

 

 

_http://search.cpan.org/~rkitover/MooseX-Types-0.21/lib/MooseX/Types.pm 



_http://search.cpan.org/~flora/Moose-1.03/lib/Moose/Manual/Types.pod
 

 


_http://search.cpan.org/~flora/Moose-1.03/lib/Moose/Util/TypeConstraints.pm

 

 

 

 

 

 

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>
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 > > ??? ?? Java ??????, ?????? ????? ?? ???...
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 > ?????????????? ????, ? Python ??? ? ???????? ??? ? Perl ?? ??????????????
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 > Perl"?? ? ???? ??????? ????? ??????, ??????? ???? ?????????? ?? ??? Perl
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From ali at ali.org.ua  Thu Aug  5 05:56:28 2010
From: ali at ali.org.ua (Oleg Alistratov)
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On 04.08.2010 22:32, Aleksander Gorohovski wrote:

>> ?? ?????? ???? ?????? ?? ??? ?????? ?????.
>
> ??? ??? ? ?????.
> ? ?????????,
> ? ???? ????? ????????, ??? ?? ?? ??????? ??????? ??????? ?????? ? Perl.
> ????? ??? ????????????????, ????? ???????? ????????? ????????,
> ?????? ????????? ?? ?????? ?????????????? ? ?????????????? ????????,
> ???? ???????? "??????????" ?? Perl.

?? ???? ?????????? ??? ????????.

??? ? ???? ???? ?????????, ?? ??????? ???????. ???????? ????????????,
???????. ????? ? ? ??? ????????, ? ???? ? ???? ? ??? ?????? ???????????,
?? ?????? ? ?? ???????, ???? ????? ???????? ???, ? ???? ???????? ? ???
???? ??????????? (????? ??????, ??? ??????????? ?????? ?? ?????????, ?? 
????).

???????? ???? ? ???????? ?????, ? ??????, ? ? ????? ???????????????
??? ???????? ??? ??????????, ? ????, ?????? ????????, ? ???? ???????
?? ?????????? ????? ? ??????.

??????, ????????? ??????????.

?? ??????? ??????? ? ???????????? ?? ????????, ???????

> ???????, ??? ????? ?????? ? ??????.

??????? ????? ????? ;)

>> ???????????. ??? ?????? ??? ?????????? ;)

> ??? ????? ???:
> ??? ????? ????????????, ????? ????? ???????? ? Perl - ???????.

??? ???? ? ????????.

> ??????? ????????? ?? ????? ???? ????????? ?????? ????????.

?? ??? ??, ????? ???????????

--
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From notformat at gmail.com  Thu Aug  5 04:47:46 2010
From: notformat at gmail.com (=?KOI8-R?B?5dfHxc7JyiDrwdLQxc7Lzw==?=)
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>
> ?????? ???? ??????????!
> Java ?? ? ????? ????? ?? ????? desktop ?????????? - ?? desktop ?????????
> ??????? VB ? Delphi, ?????? ????????? ????????????, ????????? ????
> ?????????? ??????????????  ;)
> ? Java ?????? ?????? ??? ??? ?????? ????? C/C++ - ? ???????? ??? ?????????
> ? ????????????? ??????????, ? ??? ??????? ???????????? ???????, ??? Java
> ???? ????????? ???? ????? ???????? (??? ???? ??????? ?????????? ??
> Erlang+Ocaml, ?? ???? ??? ??????????? ????? ?? ?????????).
> ? ? ????????? ???????? Java ?????? ??? ???? ?? ???? - ?? sh+awk+ed ?
> ??????? (???? ?? VB) ? ?? ????, ???????? ? MATLAB.
>


? ?? ??????? ??? ????? ????? ????? ??????? ??????????, ? ??????? ? ??? ???
???? ?? ???????????? ??? ???????? ????????? ??, ???????????? ??? ??
???????????? - ??? ??? ?????????? ? ????????? ??????, ??????? ? ???????????
?????? ???????? ???? ???????? ????????? ????? ??? ???????? ?? ????? ??? ??
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From simne at yandex.ru  Thu Aug  5 04:36:12 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
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05.08.10, 14:20, "??????? ????????" <notformat at gmail.com>:
> > Ruby ?????? ??????? ????, ????, ????? ? Python...
> >  ??? ?? Java ??????, ?????? ????? ?? ???...
> ??? ????? ? ????? ??????? ? ??? ???? ?????????? ??????. Java ??????? ?????????????? ????, ? Python ??? ? ???????? ??? ? Perl ?? ?????????????? ?????????? ????. ?? Java'? ????? ? ???????? desktop ??????????, ?? ? ? Perl"?? ? ???? ??????? ????? ??????, ??????? ???? ?????????? ?? ??? Perl ????? ?????? ???? ??? web-????????????????.

?????? ???? ??????????!
Java ?? ? ????? ????? ?? ????? desktop ?????????? - ?? desktop ????????? ??????? VB ? Delphi, ?????? ????????? ????????????, ????????? ???? ?????????? ??????????????  ;)
? Java ?????? ?????? ??? ??? ?????? ????? C/C++ - ? ???????? ??? ????????? ? ????????????? ??????????, ? ??? ??????? ???????????? ???????, ??? Java ???? ????????? ???? ????? ???????? (??? ???? ??????? ?????????? ?? Erlang+Ocaml, ?? ???? ??? ??????????? ????? ?? ?????????).
? ? ????????? ???????? Java ?????? ??? ???? ?? ???? - ?? sh+awk+ed ? ??????? (???? ?? VB) ? ?? ????, ???????? ? MATLAB.


From notformat at gmail.com  Thu Aug  5 03:20:59 2010
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>
> Ruby ?????? ??????? ????, ????, ????? ? Python...
>
> ??? ?? Java ??????, ?????? ????? ?? ???...
>
??? ????? ? ????? ??????? ? ??? ???? ?????????? ??????. Java ???????
?????????????? ????, ? Python ??? ? ???????? ??? ? Perl ?? ??????????????
?????????? ????. ?? Java'? ????? ? ???????? desktop ??????????,  ?? ? ?
Perl"?? ? ???? ??????? ????? ??????, ??????? ???? ?????????? ?? ??? Perl
????? ?????? ???? ??? web-????????????????.
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From q7u5 at ukr.net  Wed Aug  4 09:25:24 2010
From: q7u5 at ukr.net (Dmitrii)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 19:25:24 +0300
Subject: Ïîïóëÿðèçàöèÿ
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????? Javascript (Jquery) ?? java ????? ???????... :) 

 

 

Ruby ?????? ??????? ????, ????, ????? ? Python... 

??? ?? Java ??????, ?????? ????? ?? ???... 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- ???????? ????????? ---
?? ????: Oleg Alistratov <ali at ali.org.ua>
????: kiev-perl-users-group at googlegroups.com
????: Aug 04, 2010  18:55:18
????: Re: ?????????????


 > 
 > > ??? ?????? ????? ??? ???????? ??? java ?? ????? ??????? ???? ??? perl.
 > 
 > ???? ????????, ??? ? ?????, ???? ? ?????????? ?????????,
 > ?? ?????? ???? ?????? ?? ??? ?????? ?????.
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 > ??????, ?????? ?? ??? ???? ??? ?????? ??????????? ???????? ????????,
 > ? ?????? ?????? ???? ????? ? ??? ?????????. ???????? ??? ??????.
 > 
 > ?? ??? ? ???, ??????, ?????????, ? ?? ??? ????????????.
 > 
 > ??????? ? ? ?????? ?? ???? ?? ???-?? ???????????????? ?? ?????.
 > ?? ???? ??????? ?????? ???: "$subj Perl"
 > 
 > ???? ?? _????????_, ? _????????_ %)
 > 
 > ???????? ?????????, ?? ???????, ?? ???? ?????? :)
 > 
 > > ? ??? ?? ?? ?????? ???????. ??? ??? ????? ??????????? ????????? Parrot.
 > 
 > ? ??????????, ?? ?????? ????, ????????????? ?? ?????? ??????, ?? ?????.
 > ??????? ?? ??? ??????????, ??? ???????? ? ?????? ??? ???????????? 
 > ??????????? ???, ???????????? ???????.
 > 
 > > ??????? ????? ??? ???????? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ??????? ??????? - ???????????? ?????, ????????? ????? (? ????????? ? Perl5).
 > 
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From q7u5 at ukr.net  Wed Aug  4 09:45:20 2010
From: q7u5 at ukr.net (Dmitrii)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 19:45:20 +0300
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--- ????????? ????????? ---    
?? ????: Oleg Alistratov <ali at ali.org.ua>    
????: kiev-perl-users-group at googlegroups.com    
????: 4 ???????, 18:55:18    
????: Re: ?????????????    
    
    > ??? ?????? ????? ??? ???????? ??? java ?? ????? ??????? ???? ??? perl.    
    
???? ????????, ??? ? ?????, ???? ? ?????????? ?????????,    
?? ?????? ???? ?????? ?? ??? ?????? ?????.    
    
??????, ?????? ?? ??? ???? ??? ?????? ??????????? ???????? ????????,    
? ?????? ?????? ???? ????? ? ??? ?????????. ???????? ??? ??????.    
    
?? ??? ? ???, ??????, ?????????, ? ?? ??? ????????????.    
    
??????? ? ? ?????? ?? ???? ?? ???-?? ???????????????? ?? ?????.    
?? ???? ??????? ?????? ???: "$subj Perl"    
    
???? ?? _????????_, ? _????????_ %)    
    
???????? ?????????, ?? ???????, ?? ???? ?????? :)    
    
> ? ??? ?? ?? ?????? ???????. ??? ??? ????? ??????????? ????????? Parrot.    
    
? ??????????, ?? ?????? ????, ????????????? ?? ?????? ??????, ?? ?????.    
??????? ?? ??? ??????????, ??? ???????? ? ?????? ??? ????????????    
??????????? ???, ???????????? ???????.    
    
> ??????? ????? ??? ???????? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ??????? ??????? - ???????????? ?????, ????????? ????? (? ????????? ? Perl5).    
    
???????????. ??? ?????? ??? ?????????? ;)    
    
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From denis.zhdanov at gmail.com  Wed Aug  4 22:18:17 2010
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4 ??????? 2010??. 22:32 ???????????? Aleksander Gorohovski
<angel at feht.dgtu.donetsk.ua> ???????:
>> ?? ?????? ???? ?????? ?? ??? ?????? ?????.
>
> ??? ??? ? ?????.
???? ?????? ????? ??????? ? ????? ?????? ?????????? IT ???? ????????
??? ?? ?????????? ????????????? ????????????? ?????? ????????????????,
? ?? ??? ?????? ????? ???? ?????? ?? Perl, ? ???? ???? ??? ?????
???????? ?? ?????? ?? Perl - ?? ?? ?????? ?????? ???????? (??????????
???????, ?????????, ??????????? ???????????? ????????????? ? ?.?.)
????? ???? ???????????????. ????  (??? ? ?????? ??????????) ??????????
??? ??????, ? ?? ????????.
???????? ????????????? ?? Java ?????????? ??? "Java ????, ??????
???????? ?? ? ????? Perl" - ?? ?????? ?????????, ??? ?? ????????

> ???? ???????? "??????????" ?? Perl.
> ???????, ??? ????? ?????? ? ??????.
? ?????? "???????????"? ? ????? ?????? ???????

> ? ???? ???????? ?????? ??????, ?? ?????? ??????????? Perl ? ?? ??????????.
???. ????? ?? ?????? ??????, ??? ???????? ??????? ??? ?????. "? ??? ?
??? ???" (c). ?????? ??????? Perl ??? ??? ?? ???? ??????, ?
?????????....

> ??? ????? ???:
> ? ? ? ???? ????? ????????????, ????? ????? ???????? ? Perl - ???????.
?? ??? ?????????? ????????????? ? ??????????? Perl6 ?? ????????? ?
Perl5 ? ? ??? ??? ??????? ? ???????? ??? Perl?
Rakudo * ??? ??????? ??????, ?? ???? ???????? ??????? ??? "?????????" Perl'a...

>??????? ????????? ?? ????? ???? ????????? ?????? ????????.
??????? - ?? ?????????? ?????, ???? ? ? ??... ????... ???? ????? ??????????.

From angel at feht.dgtu.donetsk.ua  Wed Aug  4 12:32:26 2010
From: angel at feht.dgtu.donetsk.ua (Aleksander Gorohovski)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 22:32:26 +0300
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On Wed, 04 Aug 2010 18:55:18 +0300, Oleg Alistratov wrote:
>
>> ??? ?????? ????? ??? ???????? ??? java ?? ????? ??????? ???? ??? perl.
>
> ???? ????????, ??? ? ?????, ???? ? ?????????? ?????????,

??????? ????????
:(

> ?? ?????? ???? ?????? ?? ??? ?????? ?????.

??? ??? ? ?????.
? ?????????,
? ???? ????? ????????, ??? ?? ?? ??????? ??????? ??????? ?????? ? Perl.
????? ??? ????????????????, ????? ???????? ????????? ????????,
?????? ????????? ?? ?????? ?????????????? ? ?????????????? ????????,
???? ???????? "??????????" ?? Perl.
???????, ??? ????? ?????? ? ??????.

? ???? ???????? ?????? ??????, ?? ?????? ??????????? Perl ? ?? ??????????.

> ??????, ?????? ?? ??? ???? ??? ?????? ??????????? ???????? ????????,
> ? ?????? ?????? ???? ????? ? ??? ?????????. ???????? ??? ??????.
>
> ?? ??? ? ???, ??????, ?????????, ? ?? ??? ????????????.

????? ???????? ?????? ?? ????.

> ??????? ? ? ?????? ?? ???? ?? ???-?? ???????????????? ?? ?????.
> ?? ???? ??????? ?????? ???: "$subj Perl"
>
> ???? ?? _????????_, ? _????????_ %)
>
> ???????? ?????????, ?? ???????, ?? ???? ?????? :)
>
>> ? ??? ?? ?? ?????? ???????. ??? ??? ????? ??????????? ????????? Parrot.
>
> ? ??????????, ?? ?????? ????, ????????????? ?? ?????? ??????, ?? ?????.
> ??????? ?? ??? ??????????, ??? ???????? ? ?????? ??? ????????????  
> ??????????? ???, ???????????? ???????.
>
>> ??????? ????? ??? ???????? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ??????? ??????? -  
>> ???????????? ?????, ????????? ????? (? ????????? ? Perl5).
>
> ???????????. ??? ?????? ??? ?????????? ;)

??? ????? ???:
	??? ????? ????????????, ????? ????? ???????? ? Perl - ???????.

??????? ????????? ?? ????? ???? ????????? ?????? ????????.
	


From podwar2008 at gmail.com  Wed Aug  4 11:26:06 2010
From: podwar2008 at gmail.com (=?KOI8-R?B?5dfHxc7JyiDy1cTexc7Lzw==?=)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 22:26:06 +0400
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?? ????? ???????? ???? ??????????. ??????: ?????????????? ?????, ? ??
???????
?? ?????, ???? ? ????????? ???????. ????? ?? ?????????? ????????????????
PERL

???????? ??????????????. ?????? ???, ????? ???? ?????? ??????? ?? ???????
????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ??????????, ??? ?????? ?? ??????? ?????. ??
????????? ? ??? ?? PHP, PERL ????? ?????? ???????????. ??? ???? ????? ???
?????????? ????? ? ????????????? ??????? ??????????. ? ???? ?? ???????? ???
??? ????????, ????????? ????????? ????? ???????. ?? ?????? ??????? ??????
PERL ?? ??? ???.
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From ali at ali.org.ua  Wed Aug  4 11:19:54 2010
From: ali at ali.org.ua (Oleg Alistratov)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 21:19:54 +0300
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On 04.08.2010 20:33, Maxim Vuets wrote:

> ??????, ??????????? ?????? ?????????? ?? moscow.pm. ??? ??????:
> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.perl.perl-mongers.moscow/4787


? ??? ???????? MindMap ?? Walery Studennikov:
http://www.mindmeister.com/ru/45209512/perl


From simne at yandex.ru  Wed Aug  4 11:17:01 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 22:17:01 +0400
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04.08.10, 19:38, "Oleg Alistratov" <ali at ali.org.ua>:
> 
>  
>  On 04.08.2010 18:31, ??????? ???????? wrote:
>  
>  > ? ? ?????? ??????? ?? ????? ?????????? Perl?
>  
>  ? ?? ????????? ? ????????? ????????? ??? ?? ?????-???? ?????? ??????,
>  ?? ????? ??????, ??? ? ????????? ????????? ? ???????? java-??????.

???? ?????? ????? ????, ? ???????? ??? ??????????? ????? Java.
?? ????? ???????????? - ????? ????????? ??? ????? :))


From ali at ali.org.ua  Wed Aug  4 11:15:33 2010
From: ali at ali.org.ua (Oleg Alistratov)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 21:15:33 +0300
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On 04.08.2010 20:43, Maxim Vuets wrote:

> ??? ??? ????????? ??? ???? "? ????? Perl". ????? ???? ?? ???? ???????
> ?????????? ?????-?? ?????
> http://maxim.vuets.name/talks/perlmova2009.lt-i-love-perl.pdf

?, ???????. ? ?????? ??? ???? ??????.
?? ???? ????, ????? ??? ????????, ?????? ? ???????? ??????.

???? ????? ???, ???? ? ???? ????????????????? ;)

> ??????, ??????????? ?????? ?????????? ?? moscow.pm. ??? ??????:
> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.perl.perl-mongers.moscow/4787

???????. ???-?? ???? ???? ??????; ? ??? ????? ???????????.

--
???



From simne at yandex.ru  Wed Aug  4 11:14:57 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
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04.08.10, 19:41, "??????? ????????" <notformat at gmail.com>:
> 4 ??????? 2010 ?. 19:38 ???????????? Oleg Alistratov <ali at ali.org.ua> ???????:
> > ? ????????? ????????? ? ???????? java-??????.
> 
> ??? ?????? ????? ??? ???????? ??? java ?? ????? ??????? ???? ??? perl.

??????????? ? ???????? ?? ????? ? memoize :)))


From alexchorny at gmail.com  Wed Aug  4 11:08:43 2010
From: alexchorny at gmail.com (Alexandr Ciornii)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 21:08:43 +0300
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4 ??????? 2010 ?. 15:50 ???????????? Oleg Alistratov <ali at ali.org.ua> ???????:
>
> ???????,
>
> ? ??? ??? ?????? ?? ?????? ????????????? ?????.
>
> ? ???? ??? ?????????????? ??????, ?? ????????? ?
> ???????????? ???????????. ????? ??? ? ????????
> ???????? ? ????? ??????? ??????????.
>
> ??? ????? ?? ?????? ???????? ?? ????? ???????,
> ?? ???? <<??? ???? ????? ?????? ???????>>

?????????? ????? ???? ?????:
http://www.slideshare.net/Tim.Bunce/perl-myths-200909
????? ????????? ????? 32. ? ????? 62 :).
?????? ?????????? ?????? ?????? "Perl" ?? Slideshare -
http://www.slideshare.net/group/perl

????????????? ? y2038 (??? ?????????? ???????? ??? ??? ?????)

?????????? ?????????? ????????? - ?? ??????????? ????? ?????? ?
??????, ??????????? /x

CPAN

-- 
Alexandr Ciornii, http://chorny.net, Chisinau.pm

From ali at ali.org.ua  Wed Aug  4 10:43:38 2010
From: ali at ali.org.ua (Oleg Alistratov)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 20:43:38 +0300
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On 04.08.2010 20:38, Maxim Vuets wrote:

> ? ?? ???? ????? ?????? ????? ????????? ? ?????, ?? ?????, ??? ???
> ????????? ???????. ??? ???????? ????? ?????? ????? ????????. ?? ?????
> ???????? ???? ??????????. ??????: ?????????????? ?????, ? ?? ???????
> ?? ?????, ???? ? ????????? ???????.

?????

--
???


From maxim.vuets at gmail.com  Wed Aug  4 10:43:34 2010
From: maxim.vuets at gmail.com (Maxim Vuets)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 20:43:34 +0300
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2010/8/4 Aleksander Gorohovski <angel at feht.dgtu.donetsk.ua>:

> 7
> ?? Perl ????? ?????? ????? (? ?????????? ????????)

??? ??? ????????? ??? ???? "? ????? Perl". ????? ???? ?? ???? ???????
?????????? ?????-?? ?????
http://maxim.vuets.name/talks/perlmova2009.lt-i-love-perl.pdf

-- 
maxim.vuets.name

From maxim.vuets at gmail.com  Wed Aug  4 10:38:58 2010
From: maxim.vuets at gmail.com (Maxim Vuets)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 20:38:58 +0300
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2010/8/4 ??????? ???????? <podwar2008 at gmail.com>:

> ??????, ???????? ?????? ??????, ???? ???????. ? ?????? ? ???. ??? ???????
> ??????? ???? ????????? perl ? mysql.

? ?? ???? ????? ?????? ????? ????????? ? ?????, ?? ?????, ??? ???
????????? ???????. ??? ???????? ????? ?????? ????? ????????. ?? ?????
???????? ???? ??????????. ??????: ?????????????? ?????, ? ?? ???????
?? ?????, ???? ? ????????? ???????.

-- 
maxim.vuets.name

From maxim.vuets at gmail.com  Wed Aug  4 10:35:27 2010
From: maxim.vuets at gmail.com (Maxim Vuets)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 20:35:27 +0300
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2010/8/4 ??????? ???????? <podwar2008 at gmail.com>:

> ??? ??? ?????????????? ????? ????????? ?? ????.

? ??? ?? ???? http://yapc.tv/list/ (????? russian ? ?????? ??????).

-- 
maxim.vuets.name

From maxim.vuets at gmail.com  Wed Aug  4 10:33:12 2010
From: maxim.vuets at gmail.com (Maxim Vuets)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 20:33:12 +0300
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2010/8/4 Oleg Alistratov <ali at ali.org.ua>:

> ??? ????? ?? ?????? ???????? ?? ????? ???????,
> ?? ???? <<??? ???? ????? ?????? ???????>>

??????, ??????????? ?????? ?????????? ?? moscow.pm. ??? ??????:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.perl.perl-mongers.moscow/4787

-- 
maxim.vuets.name

From q7u5 at ukr.net  Wed Aug  4 09:06:00 2010
From: q7u5 at ukr.net (Dmitrii)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 19:06:00 +0300
Subject: Ïîïóëÿðèçàöèÿ
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????? ???????? ?????? MooseX, ????? ?????????? ??? php :) 

 

 

(? Moose/MooseX ???? ?????? ? ????? ???????? ?????????????, ?? ????? ?????, ??? java, C++, etc ) 

 

 

 

 

--- ???????? ????????? ---
?? ????: Oleg Alistratov <ali at ali.org.ua>
????: kiev-perl-users-group at googlegroups.com
????: Aug 04, 2010  18:25:57
????: Re: ?????????????


 > 
 > On 04.08.2010 18:19, ??????? ???????? wrote:
 > > ????? ???????? ??????? ??????? ? ??? ???????????. ?????????? ??? ?????
 > > ?????? ?? PHP ? ??????? ??????? ????? ????????? ???????? ?? Perl. ????
 > > ????? ??? ??? PHP ?? ?????? ???????? ??? ???? ????????
 > 
 > ??????? ???????, ?????? ???-?????????? ????? ??????????? ?? ??????
 > ??? ?? ????????.
 > 
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 > ???
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> ??? ?????? ????? ??? ???????? ??? java ?? ????? ??????? ???? ??? perl.

???? ????????, ??? ? ?????, ???? ? ?????????? ?????????,
?? ?????? ???? ?????? ?? ??? ?????? ?????.

??????, ?????? ?? ??? ???? ??? ?????? ??????????? ???????? ????????,
? ?????? ?????? ???? ????? ? ??? ?????????. ???????? ??? ??????.

?? ??? ? ???, ??????, ?????????, ? ?? ??? ????????????.

??????? ? ? ?????? ?? ???? ?? ???-?? ???????????????? ?? ?????.
?? ???? ??????? ?????? ???: "$subj Perl"

???? ?? _????????_, ? _????????_ %)

???????? ?????????, ?? ???????, ?? ???? ?????? :)

> ? ??? ?? ?? ?????? ???????. ??? ??? ????? ??????????? ????????? Parrot.

? ??????????, ?? ?????? ????, ????????????? ?? ?????? ??????, ?? ?????.
??????? ?? ??? ??????????, ??? ???????? ? ?????? ??? ???????????? 
??????????? ???, ???????????? ???????.

> ??????? ????? ??? ???????? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ??????? ??????? - ???????????? ?????, ????????? ????? (? ????????? ? Perl5).

???????????. ??? ?????? ??? ?????????? ;)


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???


From simne at yandex.ru  Wed Aug  4 08:42:06 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 19:42:06 +0400
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04.08.10, 19:29, "Oleg Alistratov" <ali at ali.org.ua>:
>  On 04.08.2010 18:09, Sergeev Serge wrote:
>  > ? Perl6 ???????????? ??????? ????????? ? ????????????? ??????, ?? ? ??? ??????? ???????? ?????????? ???????? ?????? ????????, ? ??? ???? ??? ???? ??????? ??????????, ? ?????????????????? ???? ????? ???? ????? ????????.
>  > ???????? ????????? ?????? ???? ? ????? ? ??????? Rakudo-star.
>  
>  ????? ?????? ?????????, ???? ?????? ?????? ??????????

? ??? ?? ?? ?????? ???????. ??? ??? ????? ??????????? ????????? Parrot.
??????? ????? ??? ???????? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ??????? ??????? - ???????????? ?????, ????????? ????? (? ????????? ? Perl5).


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4 ??????? 2010 ?. 19:38 ???????????? Oleg Alistratov <ali at ali.org.ua>???????:

>  ? ????????? ????????? ? ???????? java-??????.
>

??? ?????? ????? ??? ???????? ??? java ?? ????? ??????? ???? ??? perl.
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On 04.08.2010 18:31, ??????? ???????? wrote:

> ? ? ?????? ??????? ?? ????? ?????????? Perl?

? ?? ????????? ? ????????? ????????? ??? ?? ?????-???? ?????? ??????,
?? ????? ??????, ??? ? ????????? ????????? ? ???????? java-??????.



From notformat at gmail.com  Wed Aug  4 08:31:33 2010
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? ? ?????? ??????? ?? ????? ?????????? Perl?

4 ??????? 2010 ?. 16:50 ???????????? Oleg Alistratov <ali at ali.org.ua>???????:

>
> ???????,
>
> ? ??? ??? ?????? ?? ?????? ????????????? ?????.
>
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>
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> ?? ???? <<??? ???? ????? ?????? ???????>>
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> ???? ??????????, ????? ?? ??????? ?? ??????????.
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04.08.10, 19:19, "??????? ????????" <podwar2008 at gmail.com>:
> ????? ???????? ??????? ??????? ? ??? ???????????. ?????????? ??? ????? ?????? ?? PHP ? ??????? ??????? ????? ????????? ???????? ?? Perl. ???? ????? ??? ??? PHP ?? ?????? ???????? ??? ???? ????????

?? ????? ????, ?? ??????? "???? ??????? ??? ?????? ???????", PHP ?????????? ??????????? ????? ?????? ??? Perl ? Catalyst ??? Mojolicious, ?? ???? ?????? ??-???????????, ?? ????????????? ??????? ????? ??? ????????????.
? ?????, ????? ??????? ??????????? ?????????? ?????????? ?????????? ????? (? "?????? ??????", ??????? ??????????????, ????, ? ???? SEO), ? Catalyst ??? Mojolicious, ????????? ?? ????????? ????, ??? ???? ????? ?????????? ???, ????? ?????????? MVC.
? ? Mojolicious ????? ??? ? ????? ??????? ?????????, ?????? ??? ????????????? ??????? ???? ????????? ??????? ? apache ??? ?????-?? ?????? ???-??????.


From ali at ali.org.ua  Wed Aug  4 08:29:38 2010
From: ali at ali.org.ua (Oleg Alistratov)
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On 04.08.2010 18:09, Sergeev Serge wrote:

> ???????? ??? ??????????? ??????????? (Perl Data Language)

?????, ??? ????? ??????? ????. ???? ?? ???????? ? ??????.

> ? Perl6 ???????????? ??????? ????????? ? ????????????? ??????, ?? ? ??? ??????? ???????? ?????????? ???????? ?????? ????????, ? ??? ???? ??? ???? ??????? ??????????, ? ?????????????????? ???? ????? ???? ????? ????????.
> ???????? ????????? ?????? ???? ? ????? ? ??????? Rakudo-star.

????? ?????? ?????????, ???? ?????? ?????? ??????????

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From ali at ali.org.ua  Wed Aug  4 08:25:57 2010
From: ali at ali.org.ua (Oleg Alistratov)
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On 04.08.2010 18:19, ??????? ???????? wrote:
> ????? ???????? ??????? ??????? ? ??? ???????????. ?????????? ??? ?????
> ?????? ?? PHP ? ??????? ??????? ????? ????????? ???????? ?? Perl. ????
> ????? ??? ??? PHP ?? ?????? ???????? ??? ???? ????????

??????? ???????, ?????? ???-?????????? ????? ??????????? ?? ??????
??? ?? ????????.

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?????? ?? PHP ? ??????? ??????? ????? ????????? ???????? ?? Perl. ???? ?????
??? ??? PHP ?? ?????? ???????? ??? ???? ????????
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04.08.10, 16:50, "Oleg Alistratov" <ali at ali.org.ua>:
>  
>  ??? ????? ?? ?????? ???????? ?? ????? ???????,
>  ?? ???? ???? ???? ????? ?????? ????????

? Perl ???? ????????? ??????? ??????.
????? ????????? - ?????????? ?????????, ??????????? ?????????? ?????????????????? ???????????? ? ????????? ? ??????? ??????? - ???????? ??? ??????????? ??????????? (Perl Data Language), ??????? ????? ? ?????? ??????? ???????, ? ????? ?????????? ??? (??? ????????????? ????? ????????? ????????????).

? Perl6 ???????????? ??????? ????????? ? ????????????? ??????, ?? ? ??? ??????? ???????? ?????????? ???????? ?????? ????????, ? ??? ???? ??? ???? ??????? ??????????, ? ?????????????????? ???? ????? ???? ????? ????????.
???????? ????????? ?????? ???? ? ????? ? ??????? Rakudo-star.


From ali at ali.org.ua  Wed Aug  4 07:48:34 2010
From: ali at ali.org.ua (Oleg Alistratov)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 17:48:34 +0300
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On 04.08.2010 17:40, Aleksander Gorohovski wrote:

> ???? ?? ?????? Perl
> ?????????? ???????? ? ????? ??????? ????????? ??????
> (?? ???????)

?! ??????? ?? ??????????? ??????. ????.

> ??? ????????? ???????????? ?? Perl ????? ? ??????? ????????? ?? ?????.

?????????????? ??????????? ;)
http://alienator.ya.ru/replies.xml?item_no=882


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From angel at feht.dgtu.donetsk.ua  Wed Aug  4 07:40:08 2010
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On Wed, 04 Aug 2010 17:03:36 +0300, Oleg Alistratov wrote:

> On 04.08.2010 16:55, Sergii Biloshytskyi wrote:
>
>> ???????? :)
>
> ???????? ? ?? ?????????? ???????? ?????????? ?????.
>
> ?? ????????, ???????, LWP ? ?????? ????? ??????????????
> ????????: PCRE, flex/bison, cUrl.
>
> ??? ? ??? ???? ?????? ;)
>
> ? ??????? TIMTOWTDI ? ??? ??? ???? ????? ?? ???????????,
> ???? ??????????? ;)

???? ?? ?????? Perl
?????????? ???????? ? ????? ??????? ????????? ??????
(?? ???????)

1
Perl ???????? ???????????????? ? ??? ????? ??????.
?? ??????? ?? "?????? ?? ????".

2
Perl ?????????? ????????????. ?? ???? ??????? ?????????????:
????? ???????? ????? ???????????? ? ????????????????,
????? ?????????????? ???? ????????????.

3
Perl --- ???? ? ??????????? ????????.
??? ???????????? ????? ??????? ? ????? ??????? ????.
? ??????? ?? ????????? ??????-??????????????,
Perl ?????? ???????? ????????? ???? ? ???????? ?? ? ??????? ? ?????????????
?????????? ?????????.

?? ?????? ????????? Perl --- ????? ??????? ????. ?? ????????? ?????
????????? ?????? ??????????, ????? ????????? Perl-????????? ???????? ---
?? ????? ?????? ????????? ??? ???????? ???? ??? ???????? ????????.

Perl ?? ??????? ???????? ????? ?????????? ? ?????????, ? ???????????? ????
??? ???????????? ?? ?????? ?????? (C, Basic, Python, ??????????)

???? ???????, Perl ????? ???? ? ???????-???????????????.

Perl ????? ?????????? ? ?????? ?????, ? ????? ?????????? ?????? ????? ?  
Perl.

4
???? ? ????????? Perl ?????? ? ????????????? ? ?????????.
Perl ?? ???????? ???? ???????????? ??????????? ?? ?????? --- ?????? ?  
??????? ?????
???? ??????? ?????? ??????, ? ????? ????????????? ????????????? ?? ????  
??????????.

5
? ??????????? ????????? Perl ?? ????? ????????? ?? ???? ?????? ????.

6
C ??????? CPAN ????? ????? ?????? ????????????? ?????????

7
?? Perl ????? ?????? ????? (? ?????????? ????????)


????.

?????? ????????? ???? ? ??????????, ?? Perl ????????? ????????? ????? ? ?  
???????
?????????. ??? ????????? ???????????? ?? Perl ????? ? ??????? ????????? ??  
?????.
:)

? ?.?.


From simne at yandex.ru  Wed Aug  4 07:31:28 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 18:31:28 +0400
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04.08.10, 18:15, "Oleg Alistratov" <ali at ali.org.ua>:
>  ?????? ?? ??? ?????-?? ??????? ?????????? ????????,
>  ???????????.

? Perl ??? ??????? ??????? - ????? ??????? ??????????? ??????? ? ??????? ?????????? ? ??????? ????????????? Catalyst ? Mojo/Mojolicious.
? ??????????? Perl6 ???-?? ????? ????????????? ????????????, ????????? ?????????? ? Java ? ???????, ?? ???? ?? ?????, ????? ???????? ????????????? ??????? ???????.


From simne at yandex.ru  Wed Aug  4 07:24:59 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 18:24:59 +0400
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?UmU6IFJlOiDwz9DVzNHSydrBw8nR?=
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04.08.10, 18:06, "Alex Varyanick" <q at cono.org.ua>:
> 2010/8/4 ??????? ???????? :
>  > ??????, ???????? ?????? ??????, ???? ???????. ? ?????? ? ???. ??? ???????
>  > ??????? ???? ????????? perl ? mysql.
>  
>  ??? ??? ?? ???????. ???? ? ????? ????? ??????? ????? ????????? ??????.
>  ?? ? ??????? ???: Practical Extraction and Report Language
>  ???????? ??? ?????? ???????????????? ? ??????, ?????? ???????, ??????
>  ????? ? ?.?.
>  ???????? ???? ??????????????.

? ????? ??? ????? ??? ????????
???? ?????? ???? ????? ???????? ??????? ?????, ?? ??? ????????.

>  ? ?????????? ???, ??? ?????? ????????? ?? ?????? ???? Perl || PHP.

? ?????-?? ??????????, ??? PHP-????? ?????? ???????? ?? ???????????? Mojolicious::Lite

>  ???? ???? ???????? ????????? ?????????? ????? ???? ?????? sed & awk.

??? ????????.


From simne at yandex.ru  Wed Aug  4 07:21:52 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 18:21:52 +0400
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?UmU6IFJlOiDwz9DVzNHSydrBw8nR?=
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?? ???? mysql.

http://mojolicious.org/

wget -c --passive http://mojolicious.org/Mojo-latest.tar.gz
tar -xzf Mojo-latest.tar.gz
cd Mojolicious-0.999926
perl Makefile.PL
make
make test
sudo make install

?????? ????? ??????? ?????? ?????????, ??? ??????. ?? ??? ?? ??? ?????? - Mojo ?????? ?????????? ??????????.

04.08.10, 17:55, "vti" <viacheslav.t at gmail.com>:

> ??? ??? ???? ????????? ????
>  
>  2010/8/4 ??????? ???????? :
>  > ??????, ???????? ?????? ??????, ???? ???????. ? ?????? ? ???. ??? ???????
>  > ??????? ???? ????????? perl ? mysql.
>  >
>  
>  


From simne at yandex.ru  Wed Aug  4 07:18:13 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 18:18:13 +0400
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?UmU6IFJlOiDwz9DVzNHSydrBw8nR?=
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04.08.10, 17:49, "??????? ????????" <podwar2008 at gmail.com>:
> ??????, ???????? ?????? ??????, ???? ???????. ? ?????? ? ???. ??? ??????? ??????? ???? ????????? perl ? mysql.

?????? ??? ???? ??????? ?????? ?????? PHP.
???? ?????? ?? ???????? ? ????????? ?????, ?????????? ? Mojolicious.


From podwar2008 at gmail.com  Wed Aug  4 07:15:50 2010
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??? ??? ?? ???????. ?? ??? ????? ????? ????? ????????? ?? ????????, ?
??????? ??????????? ? ????. ?????????? ?????? ???????????? ??????? ??????
????? ??????? ????.
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From: ali at ali.org.ua (Oleg Alistratov)
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On 04.08.2010 17:06, Alex Varyanick wrote:

> ???????? ???? ??????????????.

? ??? ??? ? ??? ??????? ?????, ?? ??? ????????, ???
 >> ?????, ??? ????????? ??????, ??? perl ?????? ??? ????? ? ????????...

?????? ?? ??? ?????-?? ??????? ?????????? ????????,
???????????.


--
???


From ali at ali.org.ua  Wed Aug  4 07:06:44 2010
From: ali at ali.org.ua (Oleg Alistratov)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 17:06:44 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?0J/QvtC/0YPQu9GP0YDQuNC30LDRhtC40Y8=?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=Th68J1PvyXQSjUKkNw1oj812TqyjSwUGGbdkJ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100710020405.222a1da7@mail.dark-stream.net>	<AANLkTikT76zGoCcoOZ-2fcTABU2Ib8QsYpsGQr_hdo2A@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTimaG7zOO7hfZnKUfusdDbtcCSCVc5kMvmNMABu2@mail.gmail.com>	<4C596203.3040606@ali.org.ua> <AANLkTi=Th68J1PvyXQSjUKkNw1oj812TqyjSwUGGbdkJ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C5973F4.3030709@ali.org.ua>




On 04.08.2010 16:26, Alex Varyanick wrote:

> ??????????? ???? ????????? (??????/??????? ?? ??????). ? ??? ??????
> ???? ????? ??????? ????????? ??????????, ??????? ??? ????? ?? ????? ?
> ????. ?? ?????? ??? ?? ??? ????????? ???????? ???????? ? ?????
> ?????????? ???? ???????????. ????? exploit.
> ? ?? ????? ????? ????? ? ??????? ????? ???????? exploit?
> Perl!

?????????? ?????, ???????. ?????? ????????? ???????????, ??? ?? ;)


--
???


From q at cono.org.ua  Wed Aug  4 07:06:18 2010
From: q at cono.org.ua (Alex Varyanick)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 17:06:18 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6INCf0L7Qv9GD0LvRj9GA0LjQt9Cw0YbQuNGP?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimLH_ArQfo_uraXzyv2xLqy4SO7D+E1w5avjXmK@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100710020405.222a1da7@mail.dark-stream.net>
	<AANLkTikT76zGoCcoOZ-2fcTABU2Ib8QsYpsGQr_hdo2A@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimaG7zOO7hfZnKUfusdDbtcCSCVc5kMvmNMABu2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C596203.3040606@ali.org.ua>
	<AANLkTi=Th68J1PvyXQSjUKkNw1oj812TqyjSwUGGbdkJ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimLH_ArQfo_uraXzyv2xLqy4SO7D+E1w5avjXmK@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinX5OeJ7K0ybGXZjh5uBgpeE5jYxcTYNibVYkQB@mail.gmail.com>

2010/8/4 ??????? ???????? <podwar2008 at gmail.com>:
> ??????, ???????? ?????? ??????, ???? ???????. ? ?????? ? ???. ??? ???????
> ??????? ???? ????????? perl ? mysql.

??? ??? ?? ???????. ???? ? ????? ????? ??????? ????? ????????? ??????.
?? ? ??????? ???: Practical Extraction and Report Language
???????? ??? ?????? ???????????????? ? ??????, ?????? ???????, ??????
????? ? ?.?.
???????? ???? ??????????????.

? ?????????? ???, ??? ?????? ????????? ?? ?????? ???? Perl || PHP.

???? ???? ???????? ????????? ?????????? ????? ???? ?????? sed & awk.

-- 
Varyanick I. Alex
icq: 102 575 440
skype: cono..
q at cono.org.ua

From ali at ali.org.ua  Wed Aug  4 07:03:36 2010
From: ali at ali.org.ua (Oleg Alistratov)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 17:03:36 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?0J/QvtC/0YPQu9GP0YDQuNC30LDRhtC40Y8=?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=itWajyM=S=9X22qkbaqxoCu+PRdEfPCN5czG_@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100710020405.222a1da7@mail.dark-stream.net> 	<AANLkTikT76zGoCcoOZ-2fcTABU2Ib8QsYpsGQr_hdo2A@mail.gmail.com> 	<AANLkTimaG7zOO7hfZnKUfusdDbtcCSCVc5kMvmNMABu2@mail.gmail.com> 	<4C596203.3040606@ali.org.ua> <AANLkTi=itWajyM=S=9X22qkbaqxoCu+PRdEfPCN5czG_@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C597338.6050401@ali.org.ua>




On 04.08.2010 16:55, Sergii Biloshytskyi wrote:

> ???????? :)

???????? ? ?? ?????????? ???????? ?????????? ?????.

?? ????????, ???????, LWP ? ?????? ????? ??????????????
????????: PCRE, flex/bison, cUrl.

??? ? ??? ???? ?????? ;)

? ??????? TIMTOWTDI ? ??? ??? ???? ????? ?? ???????????,
???? ??????????? ;)



--
???


From alariq at gmail.com  Wed Aug  4 06:55:20 2010
From: alariq at gmail.com (Sergii Biloshytskyi)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 16:55:20 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6INCf0L7Qv9GD0LvRj9GA0LjQt9Cw0YbQuNGP?=
In-Reply-To: <4C596203.3040606@ali.org.ua>
References: <20100710020405.222a1da7@mail.dark-stream.net> 
	<AANLkTikT76zGoCcoOZ-2fcTABU2Ib8QsYpsGQr_hdo2A@mail.gmail.com> 
	<AANLkTimaG7zOO7hfZnKUfusdDbtcCSCVc5kMvmNMABu2@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4C596203.3040606@ali.org.ua>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=itWajyM=S=9X22qkbaqxoCu+PRdEfPCN5czG_@mail.gmail.com>

???????? :)

2010/8/4 Oleg Alistratov <ali at ali.org.ua>:
>
> ???????,
>
> ? ??? ??? ?????? ?? ?????? ????????????? ?????.
>
> ? ???? ??? ?????????????? ??????, ?? ????????? ?
> ???????????? ???????????. ????? ??? ? ????????
> ???????? ? ????? ??????? ??????????.
>
> ??? ????? ?? ?????? ???????? ?? ????? ???????,
> ?? ???? ???? ???? ????? ?????? ????????
>
> ? ???? ???? ????????? ????? ?? ??????, ?? ?? ????
> ???? ??????????, ????? ?? ??????? ?? ??????????.
> ? ????????? ??? ? ?? ????? ? ?? ???? ????????
> ?? ???????????? ????, ????? ????? ??????.
>
> ?????? ?? ????????? ???? ????????? ???????? -
> ?????, ??????? ?? ??? ??? ?????? ???????? ?????
> ? ??????, ? ?? ????? ????? ? ???????.
>
> ??
>
>
> --
> ???? ?????????? aka ???
>



-- 
????? ? ???????i ?i? ??i?...

From viacheslav.t at gmail.com  Wed Aug  4 06:55:16 2010
From: viacheslav.t at gmail.com (vti)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 16:55:16 +0300
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPDP0NXM0dLJ2sHDydE=?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimLH_ArQfo_uraXzyv2xLqy4SO7D+E1w5avjXmK@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100710020405.222a1da7@mail.dark-stream.net>
	<AANLkTikT76zGoCcoOZ-2fcTABU2Ib8QsYpsGQr_hdo2A@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimaG7zOO7hfZnKUfusdDbtcCSCVc5kMvmNMABu2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C596203.3040606@ali.org.ua>
	<AANLkTi=Th68J1PvyXQSjUKkNw1oj812TqyjSwUGGbdkJ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimLH_ArQfo_uraXzyv2xLqy4SO7D+E1w5avjXmK@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=5o48jRg5OHnDrURx-ZLhnAc8vaVoBWFSY_VpP@mail.gmail.com>

??? ??? ???? ????????? ????

2010/8/4 ??????? ???????? <podwar2008 at gmail.com>:
> ??????, ???????? ?????? ??????, ???? ???????. ? ?????? ? ???. ??? ???????
> ??????? ???? ????????? perl ? mysql.
>

From podwar2008 at gmail.com  Wed Aug  4 06:49:59 2010
From: podwar2008 at gmail.com (=?KOI8-R?B?5dfHxc7JyiDy1cTexc7Lzw==?=)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 17:49:59 +0400
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPDP0NXM0dLJ2sHDydE=?=
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	<AANLkTikT76zGoCcoOZ-2fcTABU2Ib8QsYpsGQr_hdo2A@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimaG7zOO7hfZnKUfusdDbtcCSCVc5kMvmNMABu2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C596203.3040606@ali.org.ua>
	<AANLkTi=Th68J1PvyXQSjUKkNw1oj812TqyjSwUGGbdkJ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimLH_ArQfo_uraXzyv2xLqy4SO7D+E1w5avjXmK@mail.gmail.com>

??????, ???????? ?????? ??????, ???? ???????. ? ?????? ? ???. ??? ???????
??????? ???? ????????? perl ? mysql.
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From q at cono.org.ua  Wed Aug  4 06:26:12 2010
From: q at cono.org.ua (Alex Varyanick)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 16:26:12 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6INCf0L7Qv9GD0LvRj9GA0LjQt9Cw0YbQuNGP?=
In-Reply-To: <4C596203.3040606@ali.org.ua>
References: <20100710020405.222a1da7@mail.dark-stream.net>
	<AANLkTikT76zGoCcoOZ-2fcTABU2Ib8QsYpsGQr_hdo2A@mail.gmail.com>
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	<4C596203.3040606@ali.org.ua>
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2010/8/4 Oleg Alistratov <ali at ali.org.ua>:
>
> ???????,
>
> ? ??? ??? ?????? ?? ?????? ????????????? ?????.
>
> ? ???? ??? ?????????????? ??????, ?? ????????? ?
> ???????????? ???????????. ????? ??? ? ????????
> ???????? ? ????? ??????? ??????????.
>
> ??? ????? ?? ?????? ???????? ?? ????? ???????,
> ?? ???? ???? ???? ????? ?????? ????????

? ?? ??????????? ???:

??????????? ???? ????????? (??????/??????? ?? ??????). ? ??? ??????
???? ????? ??????? ????????? ??????????, ??????? ??? ????? ?? ????? ?
????. ?? ?????? ??? ?? ??? ????????? ???????? ???????? ? ?????
?????????? ???? ???????????. ????? exploit.
? ?? ????? ????? ????? ? ??????? ????? ???????? exploit?
Perl!

???????? ??????? ?? 2-3 ???:

use IO::Socket

print ?Insert the host to connect: ?;
chomp ($host=<STDIN>);

$sock = IO::Socket::INET->new(Proto=>?tcp?, PeerAddr=>?$host?, PeerPort=>?80?)
or die ? ]+[ Connecting ... Can't connect to host.\n\n";

$injection="index.php/forum?=[SQL_CODE]"

print $sock ?GET $injection HTTP/1.1\n?;
print $sock ?Accept: */*\n?;
print $sock ?User-Agent: Hacker\n?;
print $sock ?Host: $host\n?;
print $sock ?Connection: closen\n?;
close ($sock); #this line terminates the connection

??? ???? ???? ?? ????? ??????????: ???????, - ?????? ???? ??????????????.
?????? ?????? ?????, ?????? ???? ?? ?????????? ????? ??????? ?????????????.
??? ??? ???? ? ?????? ??????? ???????????? ??????, ?? ???????????????, ??????.


? ????? ????? ???????? ??????????, 70% ?? ??????? ???????? ?? Perl.
??? ????? ??????? ?? ????.

?????????? ?? ?????? ???????, ? ??? ???? ???????? (c)
s/????????/perl/

:D

-- 
Varyanick I. Alex
icq: 102 575 440
skype: cono..
q at cono.org.ua

From ali at ali.org.ua  Wed Aug  4 06:02:41 2010
From: ali at ali.org.ua (Oleg Alistratov)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 16:02:41 +0300
Subject: =?KOI8-R?Q?=F0=CF=D0=D5=CC=D1=D2=C9=DA=C1=C3=C9=D1?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimqxEhm36yBEe8OZPPezTqi219YHody=aLf5F8G@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100710020405.222a1da7@mail.dark-stream.net>	<AANLkTikT76zGoCcoOZ-2fcTABU2Ib8QsYpsGQr_hdo2A@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTimaG7zOO7hfZnKUfusdDbtcCSCVc5kMvmNMABu2@mail.gmail.com>	<4C596203.3040606@ali.org.ua> <AANLkTimqxEhm36yBEe8OZPPezTqi219YHody=aLf5F8G@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C5964F1.4030808@ali.org.ua>




On 04.08.2010 15:59, ??????? ???????? wrote:

> ????????? ??? ????????? ??????????? Perl ??????????? ????? ????????
> ?????? ???????? ????????????? ?????. ??? ??? ?????????? ? PHP
> http://php-mysql-video.ru. ??? ??? ?????????????? ????? ????????? ??
> ????. ?? ????? ?? ????? ???????.

????? ??????? ?? ????????, ?????? ??, ? ??? ???????? ???, ? ??? ?????
:)

--
???


From podwar2008 at gmail.com  Wed Aug  4 05:59:14 2010
From: podwar2008 at gmail.com (=?KOI8-R?B?5dfHxc7JyiDy1cTexc7Lzw==?=)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 16:59:14 +0400
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPDP0NXM0dLJ2sHDydE=?=
In-Reply-To: <4C596203.3040606@ali.org.ua>
References: <20100710020405.222a1da7@mail.dark-stream.net>
	<AANLkTikT76zGoCcoOZ-2fcTABU2Ib8QsYpsGQr_hdo2A@mail.gmail.com>
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	<4C596203.3040606@ali.org.ua>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimqxEhm36yBEe8OZPPezTqi219YHody=aLf5F8G@mail.gmail.com>

????????? ??? ????????? ??????????? Perl ??????????? ????? ???????? ??????
???????? ????????????? ?????. ??? ??? ?????????? ? PHP
http://php-mysql-video.ru. ??? ??? ?????????????? ????? ????????? ?? ????.
?? ????? ?? ????? ???????.
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From ali at ali.org.ua  Wed Aug  4 05:50:11 2010
From: ali at ali.org.ua (Oleg Alistratov)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 15:50:11 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?0J/QvtC/0YPQu9GP0YDQuNC30LDRhtC40Y8=?=
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References: <20100710020405.222a1da7@mail.dark-stream.net> 	<AANLkTikT76zGoCcoOZ-2fcTABU2Ib8QsYpsGQr_hdo2A@mail.gmail.com> <AANLkTimaG7zOO7hfZnKUfusdDbtcCSCVc5kMvmNMABu2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C596203.3040606@ali.org.ua>



???????,

? ??? ??? ?????? ?? ?????? ????????????? ?????.

? ???? ??? ?????????????? ??????, ?? ????????? ?
???????????? ???????????. ????? ??? ? ????????
???????? ? ????? ??????? ??????????.

??? ????? ?? ?????? ???????? ?? ????? ???????,
?? ???? ???? ???? ????? ?????? ????????

? ???? ???? ????????? ????? ?? ??????, ?? ?? ????
???? ??????????, ????? ?? ??????? ?? ??????????.
? ????????? ??? ? ?? ????? ? ?? ???? ????????
?? ???????????? ????, ????? ????? ??????.

?????? ?? ????????? ???? ????????? ???????? -
?????, ??????? ?? ??? ??? ?????? ???????? ?????
? ??????, ? ?? ????? ????? ? ???????.

??


--
???? ?????????? aka ???


From vlad.kondratyuk at gmail.com  Wed Aug  4 08:31:58 2010
From: vlad.kondratyuk at gmail.com (Vladislav Kondratyuk)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 18:31:58 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?0JjRidC10YLRgdGPINGA0LDQsdC+0YLQsCDQsiDQmtC40LXQstC1?=
Message-ID: <AANLkTimTKtDbZMn8+GH7CUPBAh_3v5GDgK4BupgDbOba@mail.gmail.com>

???? ??????!
Perl developer, ? ???? ????, ???? ??????,
???????? ????????? ? ??????(???? ???????? ????????),
? ????????:
senior perl developer/tech lead/team lead/etc
? ???? ?????? ? ????
14 ??? ? ??, 9 ????????? ???, ? ????????, ??????? ?
Perl, MySQL, Template Toolkit, Mason
??????????? ???????, ? ?????? ?????? ?????? ?? ???????
???? ??????? :)
-- 
? ?????????,
????????? ???????????
vlad.kondratyuk at gmail.com

From podwar2008 at gmail.com  Fri Aug  6 05:02:20 2010
From: podwar2008 at gmail.com (=?KOI8-R?B?5dfHxc7JyiDy1cTexc7Lzw==?=)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 16:02:20 +0400
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IO/exdLFxM7PyiDQxdLFxdrEIGtpZXYucG0=?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikPF6hFQ34+9Lf5QrfC90kWNMQ2Z_745dTRUHfs@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2533c937-7b87-4099-9add-0bb3a4759440@g19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>
	<234311281014279@web117.yandex.ru>
	<op.vgyvm1i4ksnr2m@nabdeb.offlne>
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	<AANLkTi=kR14Q77fozq_7eX8+5UR80YF0UXaxBxwGjmLa@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikPF6hFQ34+9Lf5QrfC90kWNMQ2Z_745dTRUHfs@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=7xk_Z6zkiUyhwAe91bV7AOEDiSGze7xwWzjVn@mail.gmail.com>

???? ?????? FreeBSD, PERL, ???????? 18 ???? ???. ???? ????? ??????. ICQ -
318165124
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From dshadowukraine at gmail.com  Fri Aug  6 02:43:17 2010
From: dshadowukraine at gmail.com (Konstantin Cherednichenko)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 12:43:17 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6INCe0YfQtdGA0LXQtNC90L7QuSDQv9C10YDQtdC10LfQtCBraWV2LnBt?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=kR14Q77fozq_7eX8+5UR80YF0UXaxBxwGjmLa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2533c937-7b87-4099-9add-0bb3a4759440@g19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>
	<234311281014279@web117.yandex.ru>
	<op.vgyvm1i4ksnr2m@nabdeb.offlne>
	<AANLkTik11hMZZ28dhcVmHd4678-zdQZcHeV35OKoTtAJ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=kR14Q77fozq_7eX8+5UR80YF0UXaxBxwGjmLa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikPF6hFQ34+9Lf5QrfC90kWNMQ2Z_745dTRUHfs@mail.gmail.com>

fastcgi ??? psgi ???? ?? ???????

2010/8/6 Sergey Leschenko <sergle.ua at gmail.com>

> 2010/8/6 Konstantin Cherednichenko <dshadowukraine at gmail.com>:
> > ? ??? ?? ??? ????????? Perl? ??? ????? ????? ??????? ??? ?? PHP?
>
> ? ? ????? ????????? ???? ????? cgi, mod_perl, fastcgi, psgi?
>
> --
> Sergey
>

-- 
Konstantin Cherednichenko
KC439-RIPE, KC96-UANIC
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From sergle.ua at gmail.com  Fri Aug  6 02:21:18 2010
From: sergle.ua at gmail.com (Sergey Leschenko)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 12:21:18 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6INCe0YfQtdGA0LXQtNC90L7QuSDQv9C10YDQtdC10LfQtCBraWV2LnBt?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik11hMZZ28dhcVmHd4678-zdQZcHeV35OKoTtAJ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2533c937-7b87-4099-9add-0bb3a4759440@g19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>
	<234311281014279@web117.yandex.ru>
	<op.vgyvm1i4ksnr2m@nabdeb.offlne>
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Message-ID: <AANLkTi=kR14Q77fozq_7eX8+5UR80YF0UXaxBxwGjmLa@mail.gmail.com>

2010/8/6 Konstantin Cherednichenko <dshadowukraine at gmail.com>:
> ? ??? ?? ??? ????????? Perl??????????? ????? ??????? ??? ?? PHP?

? ? ????? ????????? ???? ????? cgi, mod_perl, fastcgi, psgi?

-- 
Sergey

From dshadowukraine at gmail.com  Thu Aug  5 23:38:06 2010
From: dshadowukraine at gmail.com (Konstantin Cherednichenko)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 09:38:06 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6INCe0YfQtdGA0LXQtNC90L7QuSDQv9C10YDQtdC10LfQtCBraWV2LnBt?=
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	<234311281014279@web117.yandex.ru>
	<op.vgyvm1i4ksnr2m@nabdeb.offlne>
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? ??? ?? ??? ????????? Perl? ??? ????? ????? ??????? ??? ?? PHP?

2010/8/5 Nab <nab at ukr.net>

> ?? ?????? ??????? ? ????????????? ? ?????? ????? ??????.
>
> ???? ????????? ????? ???, ???? ???, ?? ??? ??? ????? ?? ?????? ?????:
> http://dc.adamant.net/news/2010/07/22/257.html
>
> ??? ??? ????????? ???????...
>
> --
> ? ?????????, ??????? aka Nab.
>



-- 
Konstantin Cherednichenko
KC439-RIPE, KC96-UANIC
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From nab at ukr.net  Thu Aug  5 06:26:51 2010
From: nab at ukr.net (Nab)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 16:26:51 +0300
Subject: =?utf-8?B?0J7Rh9C10YDQtdC00L3QvtC5INC/0LXRgNC10LXQt9C0IGtpZXYucG0=?=
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?? ?????? ??????? ? ????????????? ? ?????? ????? ??????.

???? ????????? ????? ???, ???? ???, ?? ??? ??? ????? ?? ?????? ?????:
http://dc.adamant.net/news/2010/07/22/257.html

??? ??? ????????? ???????...

-- 
? ?????????, ??????? aka Nab.


From denis.zhdanov at gmail.com  Thu Aug  5 06:23:25 2010
From: denis.zhdanov at gmail.com (Denis Zhdanov)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 16:23:25 +0300
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IO/exdLFxM7PyiDQxdLFxdrEIGtpZXYucG0=?=
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??????!
??? ? ?????? ????? ???? ?????
??? ?????? ? ?????? ???????? Perl Certified Hosting Project?

5 ??????? 2010??. 14:48 ???????????? s.gulko at gmail.com
<s.gulko at gmail.com> ???????:
> ???????!
>
> ?? ??????????? ???????? ? ???????? ?????? ????? ?????? ??? ??????????
> ?????? ??????? kiev.pm.
> ? ???? ???? ? ???????????? shared hosting, ???????? ? ??????? ???????
> ??? ??????????? ????????????????? ???????? ??????????? drupal, ???? ??
> ??????????? ????????? wiki(??? ? ???? ?
> http://groups.google.com/group/kiev-perl-users-group/t/504f3ad3c4c3445e),
> ??? ??? ??? ?? php ? ?? ??????? VPS, dedicated ???????? ? ?.?.

From simne at yandex.ru  Thu Aug  5 06:17:59 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 17:17:59 +0400
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?UmU6IO/exdLFxM7PyiDQxdLFxdrEIGtpZXYucG0=?=
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References: <2533c937-7b87-4099-9add-0bb3a4759440@g19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <234311281014279@web117.yandex.ru>


? ?? ?? ?????? ???? ????????? ?? ???? ???????? ?????? - ?? ??? ????? ??????? ????? ? ??????, ? ????? ????? ?????????? (? 2 ??????? ???? ?????? ????????? ????????? ?????????? ????? ?? ??? ? ?????).
?? ? ???? ??????????????? ?? ??????? ????? ?? ??????, ? ??? UPS. ?? ????????? ???????? ???????? kiev.pm ?????? ????????.
IP ? ???? ???????????? ???????, ?? ???????? ?????? ?? ?????? ???? - 31 ???? ?? ? ???? ???? ?????????, ? ? ??? ??? ??? ?? ???????.
????? ??????? ?? ????????? ? ????? ? ??????? ??????? ?? ??????? (??????? ?? ????? "? ??????????? ?? ????????").

05.08.10, 15:48, "s.gulko at gmail.com" <s.gulko at gmail.com>:
> ???????!
>  
>  ?? ??????????? ???????? ? ???????? ?????? ????? ?????? ??? ??????????
>  ?????? ??????? kiev.pm.
>  ? ???? ???? ? ???????????? shared hosting, ???????? ? ??????? ???????
>  ??? ??????????? ????????????????? ???????? ??????????? drupal, ???? ??
>  ??????????? ????????? wiki(??? ? ???? ?
>  http://groups.google.com/group/kiev-perl-users-group/t/504f3ad3c4c3445e),
>  ??? ??? ??? ?? php ? ?? ??????? VPS, dedicated ???????? ? ?.?.
>  


From s.gulko at gmail.com  Thu Aug  5 04:48:39 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (s.gulko at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 04:48:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?797F0sXEzs/KINDF0sXF2sQga2lldi5wbQ==?=
Message-ID: <2533c937-7b87-4099-9add-0bb3a4759440@g19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>

???????!

?? ??????????? ???????? ? ???????? ?????? ????? ?????? ??? ??????????
?????? ??????? kiev.pm.
? ???? ???? ? ???????????? shared hosting, ???????? ? ??????? ???????
??? ??????????? ????????????????? ???????? ??????????? drupal, ???? ??
??????????? ????????? wiki(??? ? ???? ?
http://groups.google.com/group/kiev-perl-users-group/t/504f3ad3c4c3445e),
??? ??? ??? ?? php ? ?? ??????? VPS, dedicated ???????? ? ?.?.

From simne at yandex.ru  Thu Aug  5 06:45:42 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 17:45:42 +0400
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?UmU6IPMg5M7FzSD3wdLFzsnRLCDzxdLFx8Eh?=
In-Reply-To: <op.vgys3kdsksnr2m@nabdeb.offlne>
References: <2533c937-7b87-4099-9add-0bb3a4759440@g19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com> <op.vgys3kdsksnr2m@nabdeb.offlne>
Message-ID: <88421281015942@web194.yandex.ru>


??? ???????????? ? ????????? ?????????!

05.08.10, 16:31, "Nab" <nab at ukr.net>:
> ??????? ? ?????? ???????? ???????? ???? ????????...


From agnislav at gmail.com  Thu Aug  5 05:49:44 2010
From: agnislav at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JDQs9C90LjRgdC70LDQsiDQntC90YPRhNGA0LjQudGH0YPQug==?=)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 15:49:44 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6INChINCU0L3QtdC8INCS0LDRgNC10L3QuNGPLCDQodC10YDQtdCz0LAh?=
In-Reply-To: <4C5AB1C7.2070501@ali.org.ua>
References: <2533c937-7b87-4099-9add-0bb3a4759440@g19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com> 
	<op.vgys3kdsksnr2m@nabdeb.offlne> <4C5AB1C7.2070501@ali.org.ua>
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++

??? ?? ????? ? ?? ??????!

5 ??????? 2010??. 15:42 ???????????? Oleg Alistratov <ali at ali.org.ua> ???????:
>
>
> On 05.08.2010 15:31, Nab wrote:
>
>> ??????? ? ?????? ???????? ???????? ???? ????????...
>
> ?! ???????? ????????????!
>
> ????? ??? ???? ???????, ? ? ?????, ? ? ??????.
>

From ali at ali.org.ua  Thu Aug  5 05:42:47 2010
From: ali at ali.org.ua (Oleg Alistratov)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 15:42:47 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?0KEg0JTQvdC10Lwg0JLQsNGA0LXQvdC40Y8sINCh0LXRgNC10LM=?=
 =?UTF-8?B?0LAh?=
In-Reply-To: <op.vgys3kdsksnr2m@nabdeb.offlne>
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Message-ID: <4C5AB1C7.2070501@ali.org.ua>




On 05.08.2010 15:31, Nab wrote:

> ??????? ? ?????? ???????? ???????? ???? ????????...

?! ???????? ????????????!

????? ??? ???? ???????, ? ? ?????, ? ? ??????.


From notformat at gmail.com  Thu Aug  5 05:35:28 2010
From: notformat at gmail.com (=?KOI8-R?B?5dfHxc7JyiDrwdLQxc7Lzw==?=)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 16:35:28 +0400
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPMg5M7FzSD3wdLFzsnRLCDzxdLFx8Eh?=
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	<op.vgys3kdsksnr2m@nabdeb.offlne>
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? ????????? ??????????. ?????, ???? ?? ?????? ???? ?????????.
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From nab at ukr.net  Thu Aug  5 05:31:59 2010
From: nab at ukr.net (Nab)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 15:31:59 +0300
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??????? ? ?????? ???????? ???????? ???? ????????...

? ???? ????????, ???????????!
???????? ???? ??????????,
???? ????????? ?????????
? ???? ????????? ???!

???????? ?? ??? ????????,
??????? ???? ??? ?????? ?
????? ????? ?????????
?????? ?? ???? ?? ?????!

??? ???????????? ?????,
?????? ?????, ?????,
?????? ?? ????, ????? ?
? ????? ????? ??????? ?????!

???????? ?? ?? ??? ?? ??? ?????????, ? ??????? ? ?????? ?????? ???????? :)

? ??????? ???????? ? ??????? ? ?????? !!!

Ps: ????? ?? ?????????, ???? ????? ?????? ??????? ????????? ?? ??????? :(


From zukoff at ukr.net  Thu Aug  5 01:34:38 2010
From: zukoff at ukr.net (=?UTF-8?Q?=D0=90=D0=BB=D0=B5=D0=BA=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BD=D0=B4=D1=80?=)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 11:34:38 +0300
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	=?UTF-8?Q?_=D0=BF=D0=B5=D1=80=D0=B5=D0=B5=D0=B7=D0=B4?= kiev.pm
Message-ID: <1280997278.9105.5.camel@Nokia-N810-43-7>

???? ???????????? ??????? ?????????.
???? ?????. ????. ???????? ?????. ????????

----- Original message -----
???????!

?? ??????????? ???????? ? ???????? ?????? ????? ?????? ??? ??????????
?????? ??????? kiev.pm.
? ???? ???? ? ???????????? shared hosting, ???????? ? ??????? ???????
??? ??????????? ????????????????? ???????? ??????????? drupal, ???? ??
??????????? ????????? wiki(??? ? ???? ?
http://groups.google.com/group/kiev-perl-users-group/t/504f3ad3c4c3445e),
??? ??? ??? ?? php ? ?? ??????? VPS, dedicated ???????? ? ?.?.
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From agnislav at gmail.com  Sat Aug  7 09:40:19 2010
From: agnislav at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JDQs9C90LjRgdC70LDQsiDQntC90YPRhNGA0LjQudGH0YPQug==?=)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 19:40:19 +0300
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??? ???????. ????????? ????.

7 ??????? 2010??. 18:46 ???????????? Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru> ???????:
> ??? ???????, ????? ? ???????????? ?????, ? ???????????? ????? ?????????? ???? ? ???????? ???-?? ??????. ??? ??????? ??????????, ????? ???????????????. ??????? ??? 24 ????? ? ??? ??????????? ????????????? ? ??????, ??????????? ???? ? ????? ????????, ???????? ???????????? ?? ????????, ????????????? ? ????????? ????????????.
>
> http://soft24.tim.com.ua/2010/07/soft24/
>

From simne at yandex.ru  Sat Aug  7 08:46:38 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 19:46:38 +0400
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?5szF283Pwjog88/axMHFzSDTz8bUINrBIDI0IN7B08EhLCDrycXX?=
Message-ID: <71371281195998@web37.yandex.ru>


??? ???????, ????? ? ???????????? ?????, ? ???????????? ????? ?????????? ???? ? ???????? ???-?? ??????. ??? ??????? ??????????, ????? ???????????????. ??????? ??? 24 ????? ? ??? ??????????? ????????????? ? ??????, ??????????? ???? ? ????? ????????, ???????? ???????????? ?? ????????, ????????????? ? ????????? ????????????.

http://soft24.tim.com.ua/2010/07/soft24/


From agnislav at gmail.com  Sat Aug 28 04:03:13 2010
From: agnislav at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JDQs9C90LjRgdC70LDQsiDQntC90YPRhNGA0LjQudGH0YPQug==?=)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 14:03:13 +0300
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??? ????? ????. ?? ??????? ???? ????? ??????????? ?? ?????? "???
?????????? ???? ? ???????? ????".

2010/8/28 Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru>:
> "???? ?? ?????? ????? 50?$, ?? ?? ? ????????? ???????????? ???.
> ????-?? ?? ?????? ????? 50???, ?? ???? ?? ????? ????????? ??????????? ???" (?)
>
> ??? ??? ??????????, ??? ???????? ???????? ?? ????? ??????????, ?? ? ???? ?????? ???? ??????????? ?????? ?????? ??????? ?? ??? ??????????? ?????.
> ? ??? ??? ?????? ???? ?? ??????????? ??????????????? ???????????? Perl, ? ?????-?? ???????????? ???????.
> ????, ????? ????, ??? ??????????? ????? ??????? ???? ????? ?????? ??????? ?++, ??? ??? ? ??????? ?? ??????.
>
> 28.08.10, 01:00, "???????? ??????????" <agnislav at gmail.com>:
>> ??????, ??????? ???????????? ?? ?????.
>> ?http://slonik-v-domene.livejournal.com/65191.html
>

From simne at yandex.ru  Fri Aug 27 15:31:49 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 02:31:49 +0400
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?UmU6IFJlOiBSZTogUmU6IFJlOiBSZTogUmVbMTBdOiDwz9DVzNHSydrBw8nR?=
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"???? ?? ?????? ????? 50?$, ?? ?? ? ????????? ???????????? ???.
????-?? ?? ?????? ????? 50???, ?? ???? ?? ????? ????????? ??????????? ???" (?)

??? ??? ??????????, ??? ???????? ???????? ?? ????? ??????????, ?? ? ???? ?????? ???? ??????????? ?????? ?????? ??????? ?? ??? ??????????? ?????.
? ??? ??? ?????? ???? ?? ??????????? ??????????????? ???????????? Perl, ? ?????-?? ???????????? ???????.
????, ????? ????, ??? ??????????? ????? ??????? ???? ????? ?????? ??????? ?++, ??? ??? ? ??????? ?? ??????.

28.08.10, 01:00, "???????? ??????????" <agnislav at gmail.com>:
> ??????, ??????? ???????????? ?? ?????.
>  http://slonik-v-domene.livejournal.com/65191.html


From agnislav at gmail.com  Fri Aug 27 14:00:27 2010
From: agnislav at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JDQs9C90LjRgdC70LDQsiDQntC90YPRhNGA0LjQudGH0YPQug==?=)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 00:00:27 +0300
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	=?UTF-8?B?0Y8=?=
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??????, ??????? ???????????? ?? ?????.
http://slonik-v-domene.livejournal.com/65191.html

2010/8/13 Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru>:
> 13.08.10, 03:07, "Alexandr Ciornii" <alexchorny at gmail.com>:
>> 2010/8/11 Sergeev Serge :
>>>????? ?????????? ?????????? ?????? ????, ??? ??????.
>>
>> ?http://www.imdb.com/help/show_leaf?techinfo
>> ?http://developers.rambler.ru/perlmodules/ ?
>> ?http://www.rambler.ru/doc/perl.shtml,
>> ?http://community.livejournal.com/rabota_rambler/289.html
>> ?https://code.ticketmaster.com/svn/tmcode/spine/trunk/spine.spec
>>
>> ?http://www.reg.ru/coding_standards (??????? ???????????)
>>
>> ?Vox - Benjamin Trott
>> ?My Opera Community - Cosimo Streppone
>> ???????? - ??????? ???????? (??????)
>>
>> ?"????????? ????? ??????????, ?????? ???????????, ????? ? ??????????
>> ???? ????? ???? ????? ?????? ??????? ? ????????. ???, ????????, ?????
>> ?????? ????????? ???? ??? ?????? ??????? ???????? ??????????? ????
>> ?my.barackobama.com. ??? ????? ?? ???????????? ?????????? ??
>> ?????????-????????????, ??????????, ? ?????, ?????? ?????????????
>> ????????? ? ????????: VPN, Unix, Linux, Apache, MySQL, Perl."
>> ?http://www.lenta.ru/articles/2008/06/12/online/
>
> ???????! ? ??? ??????????? ?????? ? ???? ????.
>
>> ?> 11.08.10, 12:50, "Alexandr Ciornii" :
>> ?>> 2010/8/11 Sergeev Serge :
>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?? ??????? ?????? ??????? ?? _???????_ ??????? ??????? ???????? ??
>> ?>> ?>> ?>> ?perl, ??????? ?? ?????.
>> ?>> ?>>
>> ?>> ?>> ???????? == ??????
>> ?>> ?>
>> ?>> ?> ??????? ???.
>> ?>>
>> ?>> ?????? Bugzilla, Request Tracker, OTRS, WebGUI, Catalyst, Frozen
>> ?>> ?Bubble, SpamAssassin, SqueezeCenter, Webmin, YABB, git (????? ??
>> ?>> ?Perl), Padre. ?????? ????????? ? ??? ??? ????? ? wiki, ?? ? ???
>> ?>> ???????? ??? ????????? ????? ?? ??? ??? ??
>> ?>> ?http://perl.net.au/wiki/Perl_applications
>> ?>
>> ?> ??? ?? ??.
>> ?> ? ???? ????? ?????? CPAN, ??? ???????? ???????? ?? ??? ?????????? ?????? ???? ? ?? ??? ?????????? ????????? ???, ? ??? ? Java ? ?? ???????????? ???????, ?? ??? ????? ???????? ??-?? ??? ??? ???? ??????????? ??????? ??????????? ???????.
>>
>> ?? ????? ?? ??? ?? ???????? ????????, ?????? ????????????? ??????????
>> ?????? ??? Padre, ?? IDE ?????? ????? ??????? ?????????.
>
> ??. ? ?? ??? ??? ??????? ????.
> ?? ?? ?? ??? ??? ? ????, ????????????? ???????????? ????? ??????.
>
> ???????? ? ???, ??? ?????? ??????? ?? ??????? ????????? ??? ????????? Perl.
> ?? ???? ???????? IMDB, yandex, livejournal - ???????, ????? ????????? ????????? ????????, ???? ???????? ?????? ???????, ?? ???? ?????????.
> ? ??? ????????? ??? ?????? ??? ???????????, ??? ??????? ??????? ??? ?????????????? ??? ??????? ?????????? ??????.
>
> ?? ??? ???????? ?????? ??????? ?????, ?? ??? ?? ??? ?????????? ??????
> ???? ?????? ??? ?????????? IBM ????? ??????? ? ???, ????? ?????????? ????????? ?? ????? ?????????? ????? ? ???????? ????????? ?????? ???????????? IDE.
>
> ?????? ? ???, ??? ??????? ??????????? ?? ????? ????????? ??? ????? Perl - ??? ? ???? ????? ? ?????? ????????? ??? ????????, ? ??? ? ???? ???????, ???????????? ????????? ?????? ???? ?? ?????????? ?????, ?? Google ?????? ?? Perl, ? Yahoo ???? ??????? ?? Perl..
> ???-?? ????????? ???????? ??? Perl ??????? ????????? - ? ??? ????? ? ??????? ?????????????.
> ? ??? ??? ????? ?? ?????????????? ????????? Catalyst, RT, ???????? Padre.
>
> ?? ??? ? ?????? ???????????? ??? livejournal, BBC, IMDB, Yandex, ?? ???????????? ???? ??? ? ?????? ??? ??? ????? ?????? ??????????? Perl ????? "?????????" - ???? ? ??? ??? ????????? Perl ? ???, ??? ?? ????????? ?????? ?????? ?????????????? ??????? - ? Perl ?? ??????????? ????? ?????? ???????????????? ?????????????, ? ????? ??????? ??????????.
> ?????? ?????? ????? ????????? - ?????????? ? ???????????? ??????????????? ?????????? ????????? ?? ?????? ????????? ?????, ? ??? ????? ??????????????-??????????????..
>
> ?? ????????? ????? ?????? ??????????, ????? ????????????? ? ???-?? Ruby..
> ??? ??? ??? ????????? Catalyst, Mojo.
>

From simne at yandex.ru  Thu Aug 12 18:41:11 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 05:41:11 +0400
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13.08.10, 03:07, "Alexandr Ciornii" <alexchorny at gmail.com>:
> 2010/8/11 Sergeev Serge :
>>????? ?????????? ?????????? ?????? ????, ??? ??????.
>  
>  http://www.imdb.com/help/show_leaf?techinfo
>  http://developers.rambler.ru/perlmodules/ ?
>  http://www.rambler.ru/doc/perl.shtml,
>  http://community.livejournal.com/rabota_rambler/289.html
>  https://code.ticketmaster.com/svn/tmcode/spine/trunk/spine.spec
>  
>  http://www.reg.ru/coding_standards (??????? ???????????)
>  
>  Vox - Benjamin Trott
>  My Opera Community - Cosimo Streppone
>  ??????? - ??????? ???????? (??????)
>  
>  "????????? ????? ??????????, ?????? ???????????, ????? ? ??????????
>  ??? ????? ???? ????? ?????? ??????? ? ????????. ???, ????????, ?????
>  ????? ????????? ???? ??? ?????? ??????? ???????? ??????????? ????
>  my.barackobama.com. ??? ????? ?? ???????????? ?????????? ??
>  ????????-????????????, ??????????, ? ?????, ?????? ?????????????
>  ???????? ? ????????: VPN, Unix, Linux, Apache, MySQL, Perl."
>  http://www.lenta.ru/articles/2008/06/12/online/

???????! ? ??? ??????????? ?????? ? ???? ????.

>  > 11.08.10, 12:50, "Alexandr Ciornii" :
>  >> 2010/8/11 Sergeev Serge :
>  >>  >>  >>  ? ??????? ?????? ??????? ?? _???????_ ??????? ??????? ???????? ??
>  >>  >>  >>  perl, ??????? ?? ?????.
>  >>  >>
>  >>  >>  ??????? == ??????
>  >>  >
>  >>  > ??????? ???.
>  >>
>  >>  ????? Bugzilla, Request Tracker, OTRS, WebGUI, Catalyst, Frozen
>  >>  Bubble, SpamAssassin, SqueezeCenter, Webmin, YABB, git (????? ??
>  >>  Perl), Padre. ?????? ????????? ? ??? ??? ????? ? wiki, ?? ? ???
>  >>  ??????? ??? ????????? ????? ?? ??? ??? ??
>  >>  http://perl.net.au/wiki/Perl_applications
>  >
>  > ??? ?? ??.
>  > ? ???? ????? ?????? CPAN, ??? ???????? ???????? ?? ??? ?????????? ?????? ???? ? ?? ??? ?????????? ????????? ???, ? ??? ? Java ? ?? ???????????? ???????, ?? ??? ????? ???????? ??-?? ??? ??? ???? ??????????? ??????? ??????????? ???????.
>  
>  ? ????? ?? ??? ?? ???????? ????????, ?????? ????????????? ??????????
>  ????? ??? Padre, ?? IDE ?????? ????? ??????? ?????????.

??. ? ?? ??? ??? ??????? ????.
?? ?? ?? ??? ??? ? ????, ????????????? ???????????? ????? ??????.

???????? ? ???, ??? ?????? ??????? ?? ??????? ????????? ??? ????????? Perl.
?? ???? ???????? IMDB, yandex, livejournal - ???????, ????? ????????? ????????? ????????, ???? ???????? ?????? ???????, ?? ???? ?????????.
? ??? ????????? ??? ?????? ??? ???????????, ??? ??????? ??????? ??? ?????????????? ??? ??????? ?????????? ??????.

?? ??? ???????? ?????? ??????? ?????, ?? ??? ?? ??? ?????????? ??????
???? ?????? ??? ?????????? IBM ????? ??????? ? ???, ????? ?????????? ????????? ?? ????? ?????????? ????? ? ???????? ????????? ?????? ???????????? IDE.

?????? ? ???, ??? ??????? ??????????? ?? ????? ????????? ??? ????? Perl - ??? ? ???? ????? ? ?????? ????????? ??? ????????, ? ??? ? ???? ???????, ???????????? ????????? ?????? ???? ?? ?????????? ?????, ?? Google ?????? ?? Perl, ? Yahoo ???? ??????? ?? Perl..
???-?? ????????? ???????? ??? Perl ??????? ????????? - ? ??? ????? ? ??????? ?????????????.
? ??? ??? ????? ?? ?????????????? ????????? Catalyst, RT, ???????? Padre.

?? ??? ? ?????? ???????????? ??? livejournal, BBC, IMDB, Yandex, ?? ???????????? ???? ??? ? ?????? ??? ??? ????? ?????? ??????????? Perl ????? "?????????" - ???? ? ??? ??? ????????? Perl ? ???, ??? ?? ????????? ?????? ?????? ?????????????? ??????? - ? Perl ?? ??????????? ????? ?????? ???????????????? ?????????????, ? ????? ??????? ??????????.
?????? ?????? ????? ????????? - ?????????? ? ???????????? ??????????????? ?????????? ????????? ?? ?????? ????????? ?????, ? ??? ????? ??????????????-??????????????..

?? ????????? ????? ?????? ??????????, ????? ????????????? ? ???-?? Ruby..
??? ??? ??? ????????? Catalyst, Mojo.


From alexchorny at gmail.com  Thu Aug 12 16:07:28 2010
From: alexchorny at gmail.com (Alexandr Ciornii)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 02:07:28 +0300
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2010/8/11 Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru>:
> 11.08.10, 12:50, "Alexandr Ciornii" <alexchorny at gmail.com>:
>> 2010/8/11 Sergeev Serge :
>> ?>> ?>> ?? ??????? ?????? ??????? ?? _???????_ ??????? ??????? ???????? ??
>> ?>> ?>> ?perl, ??????? ?? ?????.
>> ?>>
>> ?>> ???????? == ??????
>> ?>
>> ?> ??????? ???.
>>
>> ?????? Bugzilla, Request Tracker, OTRS, WebGUI, Catalyst, Frozen
>> ?Bubble, SpamAssassin, SqueezeCenter, Webmin, YABB, git (????? ??
>> ?Perl), Padre. ?????? ????????? ? ??? ??? ????? ? wiki, ?? ? ???
>> ???????? ??? ????????? ????? ?? ??? ??? ??
>> ?http://perl.net.au/wiki/Perl_applications
>
> ??? ?? ??.
> ? ???? ????? ?????? CPAN, ??? ???????? ???????? ?? ??? ?????????? ?????? ???? ? ?? ??? ?????????? ????????? ???, ? ??? ? Java ? ?? ???????????? ???????, ?? ??? ????? ???????? ??-?? ??? ??? ???? ??????????? ??????? ??????????? ???????.

? ????? ?? ??? ?? ???????? ????????, ?????? ????????????? ??????????
????? ??? Padre, ?? IDE ?????? ????? ??????? ?????????.


> ??? ????? ??????? ??? livejournal, BBC, IMDB, Yandex ???????? ?? Perl ??? ??? ???????? ? ??????????.
>
>> ?>
>> ?>> ?Rambler ????? (http://mail.rambler.ru/), mail.ru, IMDB, Ticketmaster,
>> ?>> ?Vox, My Opera Community
>> ?>
>> ?> ??. ? ?????? ???? ??????????? ?????????? ??? ???????????? Perl?
>>
>> ????? ????????????? ?? Perl, ???????, ????????? ????????????.
>
> ???????, ? ??? ? ????????? ???? ????? ?????? ?????. ????? ?????????? ?????????? ?????? ????, ??? ??????.

http://www.imdb.com/help/show_leaf?techinfo
http://developers.rambler.ru/perlmodules/ ?
http://www.rambler.ru/doc/perl.shtml,
http://community.livejournal.com/rabota_rambler/289.html
https://code.ticketmaster.com/svn/tmcode/spine/trunk/spine.spec

http://www.reg.ru/coding_standards (??????? ???????????)

Vox - Benjamin Trott
My Opera Community - Cosimo Streppone
??????? - ??????? ???????? (??????)

"????????? ????? ??????????, ?????? ???????????, ????? ? ??????????
??? ????? ???? ????? ?????? ??????? ? ????????. ???, ????????, ?????
????? ????????? ???? ??? ?????? ??????? ???????? ??????????? ????
my.barackobama.com. ??? ????? ?? ???????????? ?????????? ??
????????-????????????, ??????????, ? ?????, ?????? ?????????????
???????? ? ????????: VPN, Unix, Linux, Apache, MySQL, Perl."
http://www.lenta.ru/articles/2008/06/12/online/


-- 
Alexandr Ciornii, http://chorny.net

From simne at yandex.ru  Wed Aug 11 05:41:09 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 16:41:09 +0400
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11.08.10, 12:50, "Alexandr Ciornii" <alexchorny at gmail.com>:
> 2010/8/11 Sergeev Serge :
>  >>  >>  ? ??????? ?????? ??????? ?? _???????_ ??????? ??????? ???????? ??
>  >>  >>  perl, ??????? ?? ?????.
>  >>
>  >>  ??????? == ??????
>  >
>  > ??????? ???.
>  
>  ????? Bugzilla, Request Tracker, OTRS, WebGUI, Catalyst, Frozen
>  Bubble, SpamAssassin, SqueezeCenter, Webmin, YABB, git (????? ??
>  Perl), Padre. ?????? ????????? ? ??? ??? ????? ? wiki, ?? ? ???
>  ??????? ??? ????????? ????? ?? ??? ??? ??
>  http://perl.net.au/wiki/Perl_applications

??? ?? ??.
? ???? ????? ?????? CPAN, ??? ???????? ???????? ?? ??? ?????????? ?????? ???? ? ?? ??? ?????????? ????????? ???, ? ??? ? Java ? ?? ???????????? ???????, ?? ??? ????? ???????? ??-?? ??? ??? ???? ??????????? ??????? ??????????? ???????.
??? ????? ??????? ??? livejournal, BBC, IMDB, Yandex ???????? ?? Perl ??? ??? ???????? ? ??????????.

>  >
>  >>  Rambler ????? (http://mail.rambler.ru/), mail.ru, IMDB, Ticketmaster,
>  >>  Vox, My Opera Community
>  >
>  > ??. ? ?????? ???? ??????????? ?????????? ??? ???????????? Perl?
>  
>  ???? ????????????? ?? Perl, ???????, ????????? ????????????.

???????, ? ??? ? ????????? ???? ????? ?????? ?????. ????? ?????????? ?????????? ?????? ????, ??? ??????.

>  >
>  >>  > ?! ????????????! ? ????? ??? ?????????? ? ????, ??? ???????? ??????? ??????? ?? Perl.
>  >>
>  >>  ????? ????????? ?????? ????:
>  >>  https://www.socialtext.net/perl5/index.cgi?applications
>  >>  https://www.socialtext.net/perl5/index.cgi?companies_using_perl
>  >>  https://www.socialtext.net/perl5/index.cgi?websites_using_perl
>  >
>  > ????? ?? ??, ?? ?? ?????? ???????? ????????????, ?? ?????? ?? ?????? ??????? ????????, ? ??????? ?? ????????? ??????.
>  
>  ???? ??????????? Perl5 wiki. ? ?? ??? ???????????? - ??? ??? ??????
>  ??????, ?? ?? ????? ?? ????? ???????. ?? ?????, ???????, ??????? ?
>  ???????? ?? ???????.

?? ???? ???????????, ??? ?????? ????????????? ??? ????????.


From alexchorny at gmail.com  Wed Aug 11 01:50:13 2010
From: alexchorny at gmail.com (Alexandr Ciornii)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 11:50:13 +0300
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2010/8/11 Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru>:
>> ?>> ?? ??????? ?????? ??????? ?? _???????_ ??????? ??????? ???????? ??
>> ?>> ?perl, ??????? ?? ?????.
>>
>> ???????? == ??????
>
> ??????? ???.

????? Bugzilla, Request Tracker, OTRS, WebGUI, Catalyst, Frozen
Bubble, SpamAssassin, SqueezeCenter, Webmin, YABB, git (????? ??
Perl), Padre. ?????? ????????? ? ??? ??? ????? ? wiki, ?? ? ???
??????? ??? ????????? ????? ?? ??? ??? ??
http://perl.net.au/wiki/Perl_applications

>
>> ?Rambler ????? (http://mail.rambler.ru/), mail.ru, IMDB, Ticketmaster,
>> ?Vox, My Opera Community
>
> ??. ? ?????? ???? ??????????? ?????????? ??? ???????????? Perl?

???? ????????????? ?? Perl, ???????, ????????? ????????????.

>
>> ?> ?! ????????????! ? ????? ??? ?????????? ? ????, ??? ???????? ??????? ??????? ?? Perl.
>>
>> ?????? ????????? ?????? ????:
>> ?https://www.socialtext.net/perl5/index.cgi?applications
>> ?https://www.socialtext.net/perl5/index.cgi?companies_using_perl
>> ?https://www.socialtext.net/perl5/index.cgi?websites_using_perl
>
> ????? ?? ??, ?? ?? ?????? ???????? ????????????, ?? ?????? ?? ?????? ??????? ????????, ? ??????? ?? ????????? ??????.

???? ??????????? Perl5 wiki. ? ?? ??? ???????????? - ??? ??? ??????
??????, ?? ?? ????? ?? ????? ???????. ?? ?????, ???????, ??????? ?
???????? ?? ???????.

-- 
Alexandr Ciornii, http://chorny.net

From simne at yandex.ru  Tue Aug 10 17:39:15 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 04:39:15 +0400
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?UmU6IFJlOiBSZTogUmVbMTBdOiDwz9DVzNHSydrBw8nR?=
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11.08.10, 01:41, "Alexandr Ciornii" <alexchorny at gmail.com>:
> 10 ??????? 2010 ?. 21:06 ???????????? Sergeev Serge  ???????:
>  > 10.08.10, 15:13, "Alex Varyanick" :
>  >> 2010/8/10 Alexey Ugnichev :
>  >>  ? ??????? ?????? ??????? ?? _???????_ ??????? ??????? ???????? ??
>  >>  perl, ??????? ?? ?????.
>  
>  ??????? == ??????

??????? ???.
? ??? ????? ?????, ??? Perl ???? ? ??????????? ??? ?????? ????????????? ? ?????, ???? ?? ??? ????????? ????? ??? Perl ?????? ????????????? ????.

>  Rambler ????? (http://mail.rambler.ru/), mail.ru, IMDB, Ticketmaster,
>  Vox, My Opera Community

??. ? ?????? ???? ??????????? ?????????? ??? ???????????? Perl?

>  > ?! ????????????! ? ????? ??? ?????????? ? ????, ??? ???????? ??????? ??????? ?? Perl.
>  
>  ????? ????????? ?????? ????:
>  https://www.socialtext.net/perl5/index.cgi?applications
>  https://www.socialtext.net/perl5/index.cgi?companies_using_perl
>  https://www.socialtext.net/perl5/index.cgi?websites_using_perl

????? ?? ??, ?? ?? ?????? ???????? ????????????, ?? ?????? ?? ?????? ??????? ????????, ? ??????? ?? ????????? ??????.
????????? ???????? ? ??????????? ?????????????? ??????? ???? ??????????? ????? ????? "?? ?? ?????????? Perl ??? ????-?? ? ????? ????????".


From alexchorny at gmail.com  Tue Aug 10 14:41:06 2010
From: alexchorny at gmail.com (Alexandr Ciornii)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 00:41:06 +0300
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IFJlOiBSZVsxMF06IPDP0NXM0dLJ2sHDydE=?=
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10 ??????? 2010??. 21:06 ???????????? Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru> ???????:
> 10.08.10, 15:13, "Alex Varyanick" <q at cono.org.ua>:
>> 2010/8/10 Alexey Ugnichev :
>> ?? ??????? ?????? ??????? ?? _???????_ ??????? ??????? ???????? ??
>> ?perl, ??????? ?? ?????.

??????? == ??????

>> ??????? ??? ????? ??????? ????????????? ????,
>> ??????? ???. ??? ? ????????? ? ???-?? ????? ????????? ??? ??? ????????
>> ???? ????????????? ??????????? ? ??? ??? ???? ????????????.
>>
>> ???? ??? ???? ?:
>> ?1. livejournal
>> ?2. yandex
>> ?3. booking.com
>> ?4. bbc UK
>> ?5. New York magazines

Rambler ????? (http://mail.rambler.ru/), mail.ru, IMDB, Ticketmaster,
Vox, My Opera Community

>> ?# ??????????
>> ?6. uaportal.com
>> ?7. banner.kiev.ua
>> ?8. ukr.net (??? ????? ????? ?? ????, ???? ?????? ??? ?????? ? ?? ???)
>> ?9. infostore.org (?????? ??? ?????? :)
>> ?10. ex.ua
>>
>> ?????? ???? ?????...
>
> ?! ????????????! ? ????? ??? ?????????? ? ????, ??? ???????? ??????? ??????? ?? Perl.

????? ????????? ?????? ????:
https://www.socialtext.net/perl5/index.cgi?applications
https://www.socialtext.net/perl5/index.cgi?companies_using_perl
https://www.socialtext.net/perl5/index.cgi?websites_using_perl

-- 
Alexandr Ciornii, http://chorny.net

From simne at yandex.ru  Tue Aug 10 12:55:15 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 23:55:15 +0400
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?UmU6IFJlOiBSZVsxMF06IPDP0NXM0dLJ2sHDydE=?=
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10.08.10, 22:59, "Andrew Shitov" <andy at shitov.ru>:
> > 4. bbc UK
>  
>  ??? ?? ?????? UK. ????? ????????? ?? ???? ???????????, ??? ? ??? ??
>  ????? ???????? CMS, ????? ??????? ????????? ?????? ?? ???? ????????
>  ??????.

??????, ??? ? ????? ???????? ??? ??????????? ?????????? Perl on Rails - ???-?? ??? ??? ???? ??? ???????


From andy at shitov.ru  Tue Aug 10 11:59:25 2010
From: andy at shitov.ru (Andrew Shitov)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 20:59:25 +0200
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IFJlWzEwXTog0J/QvtC/0YPQu9GP0YDQuNC30LDRhtC40Y8=?=
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	<1281424555.2102.11.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=0AtYDd7AANTV_gVawc=AhKJAoAVFOsgS6c8xr@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=t0mOtjYaZ1FYsLCv9k5eECB6o8Cm-sOunEYFU@mail.gmail.com>
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> 4. bbc UK

??? ?? ?????? UK. ????? ????????? ?? ???? ???????????, ??? ? ??? ??
????? ???????? CMS, ????? ??????? ????????? ?????? ?? ???? ????????
??????.

-- 
Andrew Shitov
______________________________________________________________________
andy at shitov.ru | http://shitov.ru

From notformat at gmail.com  Tue Aug 10 11:38:32 2010
From: notformat at gmail.com (=?KOI8-R?B?5dfHxc7JyiDrwdLQxc7Lzw==?=)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 22:38:32 +0400
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?????, ??????, ???? kiev.pm.org ??? drupal?
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-------- ???????? ????????? --------
> 10.08.10, 15:35, "vti"<viacheslav.t at gmail.com>:
>    
>> youporn.com ??
>>      
> ? ??? ??????? ????????? ? ????? ????? :)
>    

????? ???, ? ?????! ??????????? ? ??????? ???????? ? ??????????? 
???????????? ???????!


From simne at yandex.ru  Tue Aug 10 11:08:24 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 22:08:24 +0400
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?UmU6IFJlOiBSZVsxMF06IPDP0NXM0dLJ2sHDydE=?=
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10.08.10, 15:35, "vti" <viacheslav.t at gmail.com>:
> youporn.com ??

? ??? ??????? ????????? ? ????? ????? :)

>  10 ??????? 2010 ?. 14:13 ???????????? Alex Varyanick  ???????:
>  > 2010/8/10 Alexey Ugnichev :
>  >> http://portaone.com/products/portabilling/ ????? ?? ?????, ???? ? ??
>  >> ????????.
>  >
>  > ? ??????? ?????? ??????? ?? _???????_ ??????? ??????? ???????? ??
>  > perl, ??????? ?? ?????. ??????? ??? ????? ??????? ????????????? ????,
>  > ?????? ???. ??? ? ????????? ? ???-?? ????? ????????? ??? ??? ????????
>  > ??? ????????????? ??????????? ? ??? ??? ???? ????????????.


From simne at yandex.ru  Tue Aug 10 11:06:28 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 22:06:28 +0400
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?UmU6IFJlOiBSZVsxMF06IPDP0NXM0dLJ2sHDydE=?=
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10.08.10, 15:13, "Alex Varyanick" <q at cono.org.ua>:
> 2010/8/10 Alexey Ugnichev :
>  > http://portaone.com/products/portabilling/ ????? ?? ?????, ???? ? ??
>  > ????????.
>  
>  ? ??????? ?????? ??????? ?? _???????_ ??????? ??????? ???????? ??
>  perl, ??????? ?? ?????. ??????? ??? ????? ??????? ????????????? ????,
>  ?????? ???. ??? ? ????????? ? ???-?? ????? ????????? ??? ??? ????????
>  ??? ????????????? ??????????? ? ??? ??? ???? ????????????.
>  
>  ??? ??? ???? ?:
>  1. livejournal
>  2. yandex
>  3. booking.com
>  4. bbc UK
>  5. New York magazines
>  # ??????????
>  6. uaportal.com
>  7. banner.kiev.ua
>  8. ukr.net (??? ????? ????? ?? ????, ???? ?????? ??? ?????? ? ?? ???)
>  9. infostore.org (?????? ??? ?????? :)
>  10. ex.ua
>  
>  ????? ???? ?????...

?! ????????????! ? ????? ??? ?????????? ? ????, ??? ???????? ??????? ??????? ?? Perl.

??????, ??? ???????, ??????? ??? ????????? ? ??????? ??????? ?? Ruby - ?? ????? ??????????? ????.


From agnislav at gmail.com  Tue Aug 10 05:55:17 2010
From: agnislav at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JDQs9C90LjRgdC70LDQsiDQntC90YPRhNGA0LjQudGH0YPQug==?=)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:55:17 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IFJlWzEwXTog0J/QvtC/0YPQu9GP0YDQuNC30LDRhtC40Y8=?=
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References: <E1OiidL-000Hgh-2u@ffe14.ukr.net> <1281424555.2102.11.camel@localhost> 
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	<AANLkTi=t0mOtjYaZ1FYsLCv9k5eECB6o8Cm-sOunEYFU@mail.gmail.com> 
	<AANLkTik4uKKd1KHscpM_PJEdO8g7rb6wF8m9rbSoh5pp@mail.gmail.com> 
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?? ?????????? =)

10 ??????? 2010??. 13:01 ???????????? Alexey Ugnichev
<alexey.ugnichev at gmail.com> ???????:
> http://portaone.com/products/portabilling/ ????? ?? ?????, ???? ? ??
> ????????.
>
> 2010/8/10 ??????? ???????? <notformat at gmail.com>
>>
>> ? ??????? ??, ?? ????? ????????? ???? ? ??????????
>>
>> 10 ??????? 2010??. 11:33 ???????????? Alex Varyanick <q at cono.org.ua>
>> ???????:
>>>
>>> 2010/8/10 ??????? ???????? <notformat at gmail.com>:
>>> > ??? ? ?? ???????, ?????? ????VoIP? ??? ?? ????? ?? ?????????.
>>>
>>> ??, ???? ? ??? )
>>>
>>> --
>>> Varyanick I. Alex
>>> icq: 102 575 440
>>> skype: cono..
>>> q at cono.org.ua
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> noTformaT
>
>
>
> --
> Best wishes, Alexey.
>
>

From viacheslav.t at gmail.com  Tue Aug 10 04:35:25 2010
From: viacheslav.t at gmail.com (vti)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:35:25 +0300
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IFJlWzEwXTog8M/Q1czR0snawcPJ0Q==?=
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References: <E1OiidL-000Hgh-2u@ffe14.ukr.net>
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	<AANLkTi=t0mOtjYaZ1FYsLCv9k5eECB6o8Cm-sOunEYFU@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik4uKKd1KHscpM_PJEdO8g7rb6wF8m9rbSoh5pp@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTiniTnHswauaDS7rB++E-xQasZxWFwNpJhb80B5+@mail.gmail.com>
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youporn.com ??

10 ??????? 2010??. 14:13 ???????????? Alex Varyanick <q at cono.org.ua> ???????:
> 2010/8/10 Alexey Ugnichev <alexey.ugnichev at gmail.com>:
>> http://portaone.com/products/portabilling/ ????? ?? ?????, ???? ? ??
>> ????????.
>
> ? ??????? ?????? ??????? ?? _???????_ ??????? ??????? ???????? ??
> perl, ??????? ?? ?????. ??????? ??? ????? ??????? ????????????? ????,
> ?????? ???. ??? ? ????????? ? ???-?? ????? ????????? ??? ??? ????????
> ??? ????????????? ??????????? ? ??? ??? ???? ????????????.
>
> ??? ??? ???? ?:
> 1. livejournal
> 2. yandex
> 3. booking.com
> 4. bbc UK
> 5. New York magazines
> # ??????????
> 6. uaportal.com
> 7. banner.kiev.ua
> 8. ukr.net (??? ????? ????? ?? ????, ???? ?????? ??? ?????? ? ?? ???)
> 9. infostore.org (?????? ??? ?????? :)
> 10. ex.ua
>
> ????? ???? ?????...
>
> --
> Varyanick I. Alex
> icq: 102 575 440
> skype: cono..
> q at cono.org.ua
>

From q at cono.org.ua  Tue Aug 10 04:13:58 2010
From: q at cono.org.ua (Alex Varyanick)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:13:58 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IFJlWzEwXTog0J/QvtC/0YPQu9GP0YDQuNC30LDRhtC40Y8=?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTiniTnHswauaDS7rB++E-xQasZxWFwNpJhb80B5+@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E1OiidL-000Hgh-2u@ffe14.ukr.net>
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	<AANLkTi=0AtYDd7AANTV_gVawc=AhKJAoAVFOsgS6c8xr@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=t0mOtjYaZ1FYsLCv9k5eECB6o8Cm-sOunEYFU@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik4uKKd1KHscpM_PJEdO8g7rb6wF8m9rbSoh5pp@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTiniTnHswauaDS7rB++E-xQasZxWFwNpJhb80B5+@mail.gmail.com>
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2010/8/10 Alexey Ugnichev <alexey.ugnichev at gmail.com>:
> http://portaone.com/products/portabilling/ ????? ?? ?????, ???? ? ??
> ????????.

? ??????? ?????? ??????? ?? _???????_ ??????? ??????? ???????? ??
perl, ??????? ?? ?????. ??????? ??? ????? ??????? ????????????? ????,
?????? ???. ??? ? ????????? ? ???-?? ????? ????????? ??? ??? ????????
??? ????????????? ??????????? ? ??? ??? ???? ????????????.

??? ??? ???? ?:
1. livejournal
2. yandex
3. booking.com
4. bbc UK
5. New York magazines
# ??????????
6. uaportal.com
7. banner.kiev.ua
8. ukr.net (??? ????? ????? ?? ????, ???? ?????? ??? ?????? ? ?? ???)
9. infostore.org (?????? ??? ?????? :)
10. ex.ua

????? ???? ?????...

-- 
Varyanick I. Alex
icq: 102 575 440
skype: cono..
q at cono.org.ua

From alexey.ugnichev at gmail.com  Tue Aug 10 03:01:52 2010
From: alexey.ugnichev at gmail.com (Alexey Ugnichev)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:01:52 +0300
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IFJlWzEwXTog8M/Q1czR0snawcPJ0Q==?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik4uKKd1KHscpM_PJEdO8g7rb6wF8m9rbSoh5pp@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E1OiidL-000Hgh-2u@ffe14.ukr.net>
	<1281424555.2102.11.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=0AtYDd7AANTV_gVawc=AhKJAoAVFOsgS6c8xr@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=t0mOtjYaZ1FYsLCv9k5eECB6o8Cm-sOunEYFU@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik4uKKd1KHscpM_PJEdO8g7rb6wF8m9rbSoh5pp@mail.gmail.com>
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http://portaone.com/products/portabilling/ ????? ?? ?????, ???? ? ??
????????.

2010/8/10 ??????? ???????? <notformat at gmail.com>

> ? ??????? ??, ?? ????? ????????? ???? ? ??????????
>
> 10 ??????? 2010 ?. 11:33 ???????????? Alex Varyanick <q at cono.org.ua>???????:
>
> 2010/8/10 ??????? ???????? <notformat at gmail.com>:
>> > ??? ? ?? ???????, ?????? ??? VoIP? ??? ?? ????? ?? ?????????.
>>
>> ??, ???? ? ??? )
>>
>> --
>> Varyanick I. Alex
>> icq: 102 575 440
>> skype: cono..
>> q at cono.org.ua
>>
>
>
>
> --
> noTformaT
>



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From agnislav at gmail.com  Tue Aug 10 02:59:30 2010
From: agnislav at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JDQs9C90LjRgdC70LDQsiDQntC90YPRhNGA0LjQudGH0YPQug==?=)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 12:59:30 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IFJlWzEwXTog0J/QvtC/0YPQu9GP0YDQuNC30LDRhtC40Y8=?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik4uKKd1KHscpM_PJEdO8g7rb6wF8m9rbSoh5pp@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E1OiidL-000Hgh-2u@ffe14.ukr.net> <1281424555.2102.11.camel@localhost> 
	<AANLkTi=0AtYDd7AANTV_gVawc=AhKJAoAVFOsgS6c8xr@mail.gmail.com> 
	<AANLkTi=t0mOtjYaZ1FYsLCv9k5eECB6o8Cm-sOunEYFU@mail.gmail.com> 
	<AANLkTik4uKKd1KHscpM_PJEdO8g7rb6wF8m9rbSoh5pp@mail.gmail.com>
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??? ????????, ???.

2010/8/10 ??????? ???????? <notformat at gmail.com>:
> ? ??????? ??, ?? ????? ????????? ???? ? ??????????
>
> 10 ??????? 2010??. 11:33 ???????????? Alex Varyanick <q at cono.org.ua>
> ???????:
>>
>> 2010/8/10 ??????? ???????? <notformat at gmail.com>:
>> > ??? ? ?? ???????, ?????? ????VoIP? ??? ?? ????? ?? ?????????.
>>
>> ??, ???? ? ??? )
>>
>> --
>> Varyanick I. Alex
>> icq: 102 575 440
>> skype: cono..
>> q at cono.org.ua
>
>
>
> --
> noTformaT
>

From notformat at gmail.com  Tue Aug 10 02:24:34 2010
From: notformat at gmail.com (=?KOI8-R?B?5dfHxc7JyiDrwdLQxc7Lzw==?=)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:24:34 +0400
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IFJlWzEwXTog8M/Q1czR0snawcPJ0Q==?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=t0mOtjYaZ1FYsLCv9k5eECB6o8Cm-sOunEYFU@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E1OiidL-000Hgh-2u@ffe14.ukr.net>
	<1281424555.2102.11.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=0AtYDd7AANTV_gVawc=AhKJAoAVFOsgS6c8xr@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=t0mOtjYaZ1FYsLCv9k5eECB6o8Cm-sOunEYFU@mail.gmail.com>
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? ??????? ??, ?? ????? ????????? ???? ? ??????????

10 ??????? 2010 ?. 11:33 ???????????? Alex Varyanick <q at cono.org.ua>???????:

> 2010/8/10 ??????? ???????? <notformat at gmail.com>:
> > ??? ? ?? ???????, ?????? ??? VoIP? ??? ?? ????? ?? ?????????.
>
> ??, ???? ? ??? )
>
> --
> Varyanick I. Alex
> icq: 102 575 440
> skype: cono..
> q at cono.org.ua
>



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From q at cono.org.ua  Tue Aug 10 00:33:32 2010
From: q at cono.org.ua (Alex Varyanick)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:33:32 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IFJlWzEwXTog0J/QvtC/0YPQu9GP0YDQuNC30LDRhtC40Y8=?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=0AtYDd7AANTV_gVawc=AhKJAoAVFOsgS6c8xr@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E1OiidL-000Hgh-2u@ffe14.ukr.net>
	<1281424555.2102.11.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=0AtYDd7AANTV_gVawc=AhKJAoAVFOsgS6c8xr@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=t0mOtjYaZ1FYsLCv9k5eECB6o8Cm-sOunEYFU@mail.gmail.com>

2010/8/10 ??????? ???????? <notformat at gmail.com>:
> ??? ? ?? ???????, ?????? ????VoIP? ??? ?? ????? ?? ?????????.

??, ???? ? ??? )

-- 
Varyanick I. Alex
icq: 102 575 440
skype: cono..
q at cono.org.ua

From notformat at gmail.com  Tue Aug 10 00:29:13 2010
From: notformat at gmail.com (=?KOI8-R?B?5dfHxc7JyiDrwdLQxc7Lzw==?=)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 11:29:13 +0400
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IFJlWzEwXTog8M/Q1czR0snawcPJ0Q==?=
In-Reply-To: <1281424555.2102.11.camel@localhost>
References: <E1OiidL-000Hgh-2u@ffe14.ukr.net>
	<1281424555.2102.11.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=0AtYDd7AANTV_gVawc=AhKJAoAVFOsgS6c8xr@mail.gmail.com>

??? ? ?? ???????, ?????? ??? VoIP? ??? ?? ????? ?? ?????????.

 ?????? ???? ????? ????????????? ? ?????????????, ? ??? ???????? ?????? ??
> ????? ????????????? ? ??????????? ???? ?????? VoIP ????????:)
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From s.gulko at gmail.com  Tue Aug 10 00:15:55 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (Serg V. Gulko)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:15:55 +0300
Subject: =?koi8-r?Q?=F0=CF=D0=D5=CC=D1=D2=C9=DA=C1=C3=C9?=
 =?koi8-r?Q?=D1?=
In-Reply-To: <E1OiidL-000Hgh-2u@ffe14.ukr.net>
References: <E1OiidL-000Hgh-2u@ffe14.ukr.net>
Message-ID: <1281424555.2102.11.camel@localhost>


> 
> ?? ??????? ??? ?????? ??????? ???-?? ?????????, ???????? ???? ???????
> ???????-??????-????, ?????? ??? ????? ????????? ????????????, ??? ??
> ?????? ??? ???????? ????? ???????? ??? ?????? ????????? ??????? ??
> perl? 

?? ?????? ?????, ???? ????? ??????? ???? ???????:) 
?? ????? ???? ??? ???????? ????? ?????? - ??????, ????????, ??? ????,
??? ? ??? ???? ?????? ???????? ?? Perl. ?? ?? ??? ??????, ?? ??
??????????? ?????? ????. ???????????? ???? ???????? ?????? ?? ??????
???? ? ??????? Perl, ??? ??? ?? ???????? ???????? ?? ???????????? X, Y,
Z. ? ??? ??? ??????? ? ??????? ?????-??, ??? Perl ?????????? ???????
??????? ? ?.?. ??? ?????????? - '???????? ?? ??????', ???? ??????? ??
??? ????? ??????. 
? ??? ????? ????? ?? ???? ??????? ???????? ?? 80? ? ????, ? ??? ? ??
?????. ? ?? ???????? ?????????????? ????????? ? ???????? ? ?????????
???-??, ?????????? ??????? ??????. ?????? ???? ????? ????????????? ?
?????????????, ? ??? ???????? ?????? ?? ????? ????????????? ?
??????????? ???? ?????? VoIP ????????:) 


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From q7u5 at ukr.net  Mon Aug  9 23:48:23 2010
From: q7u5 at ukr.net (Dmitrii)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 09:48:23 +0300
Subject: =?WINDOWS-1251?Q?Re[10]:_=CF=EE=EF=F3=EB=FF=F0=E8=E7=E0=F6=E8=FF?=
Message-ID: <E1OiidL-000Hgh-2u@ffe14.ukr.net>



??? ? ??? ???? ???????, ??? ????? - ??? ?????...    
    
???? ?? ??? ?????????????, ?? ????????, ?? ?? ????...?    
    
?? ??????? ??? ?????? ??????? ???-?? ?????????, ???????? ???? ??????? ???????-??????-????, ?????? ??? ????? ????????? ????????????, ??? ?? ?????? ??? ???????? ????? ???????? ??? ?????? ????????? ??????? ?? perl?    
    
???? ????? ?????????? ?? ?????, ? ????? ??????? ?????????????, ? ???? ?????? VoIP ??????? ????? 80k$ ???? ????? (? ?????? ??????? 10?$), ??? ?????? ????????? ??????? ?? ?????    
    
???? ????? ????????? ???????, ??????, ????????, ?? ??? ?????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ????????? ???????? ?? ????????, ?? ?????? ????? ? ?? ????.???, ??? ??? ???? ????? ????? ???????? ??? ??? ???????? ? ????? ?????!    
    
???? ???-?? ????? "????????" - ????? ?? ????? ????????? 50?-500?$ ?? ???? ????? ??????? ?????? ????? ?????? ?? ????? ??????, ?? ????? "????????", ??? ?????????? ?????? ????-?? ?? ????... :)    
    
    
    
    
    
--- ???????? ????????? ---    
?? ????: "Serg V. Gulko" <s.gulko at gmail.com>    
????: kiev-perl-users-group at googlegroups.com    
????: Aug 09, 2010 09:39:01    
????: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re[4]: ?????????????    
    
?? ???? ??????????? ? ???? ????? ??????????, ?? ??? ??? ???????, ????    
> ???? ????? ???????. ?????? ? ???? ?????? ???????????...??????? ???    
> ??????? '???????????? ???????????', ? ?????? ?? ??????? ?????????    
> ????????????? ???????. ?????????? ??????????? ?? ??? ??????? ??????????    
> ??? ????????? ????????? CMS:)    
> ??????? ? ???? ???????? ???? ??????. ?????? ????? ?????, ??? ???????,    
> ??????, ???????, ?? ????? ??????? ??? ????????? ? ????? ????    
> ?????????????? ??????????, ??????????? ???? ??????? ????????, ?? ??    
> ????????? ??????? ????????? ??????????. ? ??????? ??? ?? Perl Mova ?    
> ????????? ??? ??? - ??????? ????????? ? ???????? ?????? ????? ??    
> ???????? ???????? ????????, ??-?? ???????? ???? ??????? ??? ?????????.    
> ?????? ??????, ??????? ??? ???????, ??????????????? ?? ?????? ? ???????    
> ??????? ????? ???????????? - '? ???'    
> ? ???????, ??? ???????? ?????? ????????? ?????? ????? ? ?????? ?????????    
> ???? ?? Brainfuck-e, ?? ?? ?? ??? ? ?????, ??????????? ???-?? ???????.    
> ?? ????? ?????????? ??????????? ? ????? '? ????? ??? ? ????? ???????    
> ???'.    
>    
>    
    
  
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From q7u5 at ukr.net  Sun Aug  8 14:02:16 2010
From: q7u5 at ukr.net (Dmitrii)
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 00:02:16 +0300
Subject: =?WINDOWS-1251?Q?Fw:_Re[8]:_=CF=EE=EF=F3=EB=FF=F0=E8=E7=E0=F6=E8?=
  =?WINDOWS-1251?Q?=FF?=
Message-ID: <E1OiD0a-0001KN-UR@ffe6.ukr.net>


                  MVC Catalyst? ??????? Catalyst::DispatchType::Chained      ????? ? ?? ?????, ? ?????? ????????? ???????????, ????????,? Symfony php - ??? ???????? ????? ????????....      sub blog : Chained PathPart('blog') CaptureArgs(0) { }      
? sub user : Chained('blog') PathPart('user') CaptureArgs(1) {      
? my ( $self, $c, $id_un ) = @_;      
? $c->stash->{ message } = "Hello 2";      
? $c->stash->{ arg_sum }->[0] = $id_un;      
? }      
? sub view : Chained('user') PathPart('view') CaptureArgs(1) {      
? my ( $self, $c, $id ) = @_;      
? $c->stash->{ message } .= "World!";      
? $c->stash->{ arg_sum }->[1] = $id;      
? }      
? sub view_page_off : Chained('view') PathPart('') Args(1) {      
? my ( $self, $c, $page ) = @_;      
? ?      
? $c->stash->{ arg_sum }->[2] = $page;      
? ?      
? $c->forward( 'view_blog_message', $c->stash->{ arg_sum } );      
? ?      
? }      
??      
??      
? sub view_off : Chained('view') PathPart('') Args(0) {      
? my ( $self, $c ) = @_;      
? $c->forward( 'view_blog_message', [ $c->stash->{ arg_sum } );      
? ?      
? }      
? sub view_page_user : Chained('user') PathPart('') Args(1) {      
? my ( $self, $c, $page ) = @_;      
? $c->stash->{ arg_sum }->[1] = $page;      
? ?      
# print '666';      
? $c->forward( 'view_blog', ?$c->stash->{ arg_sum } );      
? ?      
? }      
??      
? sub view_user : Chained('user') PathPart('') Args(0) {      
? my ( $self, $c ) = @_;      
? $c->forward( 'view_blog', $c->stash->{ arg_sum } );      
? ?      
? ?      
? }      
??      
      
      ===============================      | Path Spec | Private |      
+-------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+      
| /blog/user/*/view/* | /blog/blog (0) |      
| | -> /blog/user (1) |      
| | -> /blog/view (1) |      
| | => /blog/view_off |      
| /blog/user/*/view/*/* | /blog/blog (0) |      
| | -> /blog/user (1) |      
| | -> /blog/view (1) |      
| | => /blog/view_page_off |      
| /blog/user/*/* | /blog/blog (0) |      
| | -> /blog/user (1) |      
| | => /blog/view_page_user |      
| /blog/user/* | /blog/blog (0) |      
| | -> /blog/user (1) |      
| | => /blog/view_user |      
'-------------------------------------+--------------------------------------'      
      
      
      
        
    
--- ???????? ????????? ---    
?? ????: ??????? ???????? <notformat at gmail.com>    
????: kiev-perl-users-group at googlegroups.com    
????: 8 ???????, 23:08:33    
????: Re: Re: Re: Re[4]: ?????????????    
    
>    
> ????? ?????????? ??????: IP-??????, Perl5    
> ???? IPType.pm    
>    
> package IPType;    
> use Regexp::Common 2.105;    
> use MooseX::Types::Moose qw( Str );    
> use MooseX::Types -declare => [ qw(IP) ];    
>    
> subtype IP, as Str, where {    
> $_ =~ /\A $RE{net}{IPv4} \z/msx    
> }, message {    
> "'$_' is not a valid IP";    
> };    
>    
> ???? typed.pl    
>    
> use IPType qw/IP/;    
> use MooseX::Lexical::Types qw/IP/;    
>    
> my IP $foo; # declare typed variable    
> $foo = '192.168.1.1'; # works    
> $foo = 'bar'; # fails    
    
import java.util.regex.*;    
    
public class TestRegexp {    
public static final Pattern pattern = Pattern.compile    
("[a-zA-Z]{1}[a-zA-Z\d\u002E\u005F]+@([a-zA-Z]+\u002E){1,2}((net)|(com)|(org))");    
    
public static void doMatch(String word) {    
String output = "Validation for " + word;    
Matcher matcher = pattern.matcher(word);    
if (matcher.matches())    
output += " passed."    
else    
output += " not passed."    
System.out.println(output);    
}    
    
public static void main(String[] args) {    
doMatch("c0nst at money.simply.net");    
doMatch("somebody at dev.com.ua");    
doMatch("Name.Sur_name at gmail.com");    
doMatch("useR33 at somewhere.in.the.net");    
}    
    
}    
?? ? ???? ???? ? ? ???? ?????????? ?????????.    
    
    
  
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From ykorshak at gmail.com  Tue Aug 10 06:23:36 2010
From: ykorshak at gmail.com (yko)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 06:23:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IPfT1NLF3sEgMTIuMDguMjAxMA==?=
In-Reply-To: <6a92dcbd-f7ce-4d1c-964e-d4e9e3685a44@v15g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>
References: <1281356127.5760.5.camel@localhost> <AANLkTin2cKVMgy1Jon-2XMdJBL_5pcL0Eie+vBZL2_MW@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1281369216.6943.5.camel@localhost> <6a92dcbd-f7ce-4d1c-964e-d4e9e3685a44@v15g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>
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? ????.???? ????? ?? ???????????.

On 10 ???, 15:06, "s.gu... at gmail.com" <s.gu... at gmail.com> wrote:
> ??? ??? ????? ? ????????

From agnislav at gmail.com  Tue Aug 10 05:54:08 2010
From: agnislav at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JDQs9C90LjRgdC70LDQsiDQntC90YPRhNGA0LjQudGH0YPQug==?=)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:54:08 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IFJlOiDQktGB0YLRgNC10YfQsCAxMi4wOC4yMDEw?=
In-Reply-To: <183931281444508@web61.yandex.ru>
References: <1281356127.5760.5.camel@localhost> <AANLkTin2cKVMgy1Jon-2XMdJBL_5pcL0Eie+vBZL2_MW@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1281369216.6943.5.camel@localhost> <6a92dcbd-f7ce-4d1c-964e-d4e9e3685a44@v15g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> 
	<183931281444508@web61.yandex.ru>
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???? ?? ?????.

10 ??????? 2010??. 15:48 ???????????? Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru> ???????:
> ? ? ????? ???? ??? ??????? ????????????? ?? ???? ?? ??????, ?? ?????????? ?????????? ???..
> ??? ??? ?????? ????? ?? ????.
> ???? ??? ???? ????????? ??????????? ??? ?????????? ? ????? ????-?? ?? 30 ????, ? ?? 36-39 ??? ?????? - ????? ????.
>
> 10.08.10, 16:06, "s.gulko at gmail.com" <s.gulko at gmail.com>:
>> ??? ??? ????? ? ????????
>>
>> ?On 9 ???, 18:53, "Serg V. Gulko" ?wrote:
>> ?> http://kiev.pm.org/?q=node/427/
>> ?>
>> ?> ? ???, 09/08/2010 ? 19:16 +0400, ??????? ???????? ?????:
>> ?>
>> ?>
>> ?>
>> ?> > ????
>> ?>
>> ?> > 9 ??????? 2010 ?. 16:15 ???????????? Serg V. Gulko
>> ?> > ???????:
>> ?>
>> ?> > ? ? ? ? ???????!
>> ?>
>> ?> > ? ? ? ? ?????????, ??? 12 ??????? ?????? ?????? ????????? ???????, ???
>> ?> > ? ? ? ? ??? ???????? ????? ????????? ???????????? ? ???????? ?????:)
>>
>

From simne at yandex.ru  Tue Aug 10 05:48:28 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 16:48:28 +0400
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10.08.10, 16:06, "s.gulko at gmail.com" <s.gulko at gmail.com>:
> ??? ??? ????? ? ????????
>  
>  On 9 ???, 18:53, "Serg V. Gulko"  wrote:
>  > http://kiev.pm.org/?q=node/427/
>  >
>  > ? ???, 09/08/2010 ? 19:16 +0400, ??????? ???????? ?????:
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > > ????
>  >
>  > > 9 ??????? 2010 ?. 16:15 ???????????? Serg V. Gulko 
>  > > ???????:
>  >
>  > >         ???????!
>  >
>  > >         ?????????, ??? 12 ??????? ?????? ?????? ????????? ???????, ???
>  > >         ??? ???????? ????? ????????? ???????????? ? ???????? ?????:)
>  


From q at cono.org.ua  Tue Aug 10 05:18:13 2010
From: q at cono.org.ua (Alex Varyanick)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:18:13 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6INCS0YHRgtGA0LXRh9CwIDEyLjA4LjIwMTA=?=
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2010/8/10 Andrew Shitov <andy at shitov.ru>:
> ? ???? ?? ????? :-)

??? ??? ??????. ? ? ??? ????????.., ????? ??? ? ??? ?????????? )

? ?????????? ????.

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From: notformat at gmail.com (=?KOI8-R?B?5dfHxc7JyiDrwdLQxc7Lzw==?=)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 16:14:23 +0400
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???? ??? ? ????? ? ???? ?????? ??????, ??? ???????.

10 ??????? 2010 ?. 16:12 ???????????? Serg V. Gulko <s.gulko at gmail.com>???????:

>  ??, ? ????? ??? ????:)
>
> ? ???, 10/08/2010 ? 14:08 +0200, Andrew Shitov ?????:
>
> ? ???? ?? ????? :-)
>
> 2010/8/10 ??????? ???????? <notformat at gmail.com>:
> > ? ?????, ? ?????? ???? ?? ?????(((
> >
> > 10 ??????? 2010 ?. 16:06 ???????????? s.gulko at gmail.com <s.gulko at gmail.com>
> > ???????:
> >>
> >> ??? ??? ????? ? ????????
> >>
> >> On 9 ???, 18:53, "Serg V. Gulko" <s.gu... at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > http://kiev.pm.org/?q=node/427/
> >> >
> >> > ? ???, 09/08/2010 ? 19:16 +0400, ??????? ???????? ?????:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > ????
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> >> > > 9 ??????? 2010 ?. 16:15 ???????????? Serg V. Gulko <s.gu... at gmail.com>
> >> > > ???????:
> >> >
> >> > >         ???????!
> >> >
> >> > >         ?????????, ??? 12 ??????? ?????? ?????? ????????? ???????, ???
> >> > >         ??? ???????? ????? ????????? ???????????? ? ???????? ?????:)
> >
> >
> > --
> > noTformaT
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>
>
>
>
>
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From viacheslav.t at gmail.com  Tue Aug 10 05:12:29 2010
From: viacheslav.t at gmail.com (vti)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:12:29 +0300
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????!

10 ??????? 2010??. 15:06 ???????????? s.gulko at gmail.com
<s.gulko at gmail.com> ???????:
> ??? ??? ????? ? ????????

From s.gulko at gmail.com  Tue Aug 10 05:12:22 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (Serg V. Gulko)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:12:22 +0300
Subject: =?koi8-r?Q?=F7=D3=D4=D2=C5=DE=C1?= 12.08.2010
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? ???, 10/08/2010 ? 14:08 +0200, Andrew Shitov ?????:

> ? ???? ?? ????? :-)
> 
> 2010/8/10 ??????? ???????? <notformat at gmail.com>:
> > ? ?????, ? ?????? ???? ?? ?????(((
> >
> > 10 ??????? 2010 ?. 16:06 ???????????? s.gulko at gmail.com <s.gulko at gmail.com>
> > ???????:
> >>
> >> ??? ??? ????? ? ????????
> >>
> >> On 9 ???, 18:53, "Serg V. Gulko" <s.gu... at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > http://kiev.pm.org/?q=node/427/
> >> >
> >> > ? ???, 09/08/2010 ? 19:16 +0400, ??????? ???????? ?????:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > ????
> >> >
> >> > > 9 ??????? 2010 ?. 16:15 ???????????? Serg V. Gulko <s.gu... at gmail.com>
> >> > > ???????:
> >> >
> >> > >         ???????!
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> >> > >         ?????????, ??? 12 ??????? ?????? ?????? ????????? ???????, ???
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From andy at shitov.ru  Tue Aug 10 05:08:54 2010
From: andy at shitov.ru (Andrew Shitov)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:08:54 +0200
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? ???? ?? ????? :-)

2010/8/10 ??????? ???????? <notformat at gmail.com>:
> ? ?????, ? ?????? ???? ?? ?????(((
>
> 10 ??????? 2010??. 16:06 ???????????? s.gulko at gmail.com <s.gulko at gmail.com>
> ???????:
>>
>> ??? ??? ????? ? ????????
>>
>> On 9 ???, 18:53, "Serg V. Gulko" <s.gu... at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > http://kiev.pm.org/?q=node/427/
>> >
>> > ? ???, 09/08/2010 ? 19:16 +0400, ??????? ???????? ?????:
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______________________________________________________________________
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From notformat at gmail.com  Tue Aug 10 05:07:39 2010
From: notformat at gmail.com (=?KOI8-R?B?5dfHxc7JyiDrwdLQxc7Lzw==?=)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 16:07:39 +0400
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? ?????, ? ?????? ???? ?? ?????(((

10 ??????? 2010 ?. 16:06 ???????????? s.gulko at gmail.com
<s.gulko at gmail.com>???????:

> ??? ??? ????? ? ????????
>
> On 9 ???, 18:53, "Serg V. Gulko" <s.gu... at gmail.com> wrote:
> > http://kiev.pm.org/?q=node/427/
> >
> > ? ???, 09/08/2010 ? 19:16 +0400, ??????? ???????? ?????:
> >
> >
> >
> > > ????
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> > > 9 ??????? 2010 ?. 16:15 ???????????? Serg V. Gulko <s.gu... at gmail.com>
> > > ???????:
> >
> > >         ???????!
> >
> > >         ?????????, ??? 12 ??????? ?????? ?????? ????????? ???????, ???
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From s.gulko at gmail.com  Tue Aug 10 05:06:20 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (s.gulko at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 05:06:20 -0700 (PDT)
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??? ??? ????? ? ????????

On 9 ???, 18:53, "Serg V. Gulko" <s.gu... at gmail.com> wrote:
> http://kiev.pm.org/?q=node/427/
>
> ? ???, 09/08/2010 ? 19:16 +0400, ??????? ???????? ?????:
>
>
>
> > ????
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> > 9 ??????? 2010 ?. 16:15 ???????????? Serg V. Gulko <s.gu... at gmail.com>
> > ???????:
>
> > ? ? ? ? ???????!
>
> > ? ? ? ? ?????????, ??? 12 ??????? ?????? ?????? ????????? ???????, ???
> > ? ? ? ? ??? ???????? ????? ????????? ???????????? ? ???????? ?????:)

From s.gulko at gmail.com  Mon Aug  9 08:53:36 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (Serg V. Gulko)
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 18:53:36 +0300
Subject: =?koi8-r?Q?=F7=D3=D4=D2=C5=DE=C1?= 12.08.2010
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http://kiev.pm.org/?q=node/427/

? ???, 09/08/2010 ? 19:16 +0400, ??????? ???????? ?????:

> ????
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From notformat at gmail.com  Mon Aug  9 08:16:46 2010
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9 ??????? 2010 ?. 16:15 ???????????? Serg V. Gulko <s.gulko at gmail.com>???????:

>  ???????!
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From s.gulko at gmail.com  Mon Aug  9 05:15:27 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (Serg V. Gulko)
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 15:15:27 +0300
Subject: =?koi8-r?Q?=F7=D3=D4=D2=C5=DE=C1?= 12.08.2010
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From simne at yandex.ru  Fri Aug 13 09:55:08 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 20:55:08 +0400
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13.08.10, 17:34, "Oleg Alistratov" <ali at ali.org.ua>:
>  On 13.08.2010 15:43, Serg V. Gulko wrote:
>  
>  > ? ????? ??????, ??? ?? ???????? ?????? ??????? ?????????? ?? ?????
>  > ?????? ?????????? ???????????....imho
>  
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>  
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>  
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>  ??????? ?????????? ?????, ???????? ?? exists ? defined

"?? ?? ????????..." (?) ?? ?????????? ?????? ??-?? ??????? ????? (? ??? ??????? ?????????? ???????? ????????????? ??? ????????????).
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From ali at ali.org.ua  Fri Aug 13 08:03:44 2010
From: ali at ali.org.ua (Oleg Alistratov)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 18:03:44 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?0J/RgNC+0LLQtdGA0LrQuA==?=
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On 13.08.2010 17:39, Alex Varyanick wrote:

>>   - Can't locate object method via package
> ??? ?????? ????????????, ????? ?? ????? ????????? ??? ?????? ??????????.

??? ?????. ? ?????? ???????? ???-?? ?????:

   (caller)[0]->warn()

? ? ????? ????? ??? ????? ??????, ? ? ?????? ? ???.

>>   - Can't call method on unblessed reference
> ????? ?????????

?? ?????????? ?????-??. ???? ??? ?? ????????.

>>   - Can't call method without a package or object reference

> ?????? ????. ?????? ?????????? ?????? ???? ?????. ??? ???? ???? ??,
> ???? ????. ? ???? ??? ???? ???????? ???..., ??? ???????? ????????????
> ??????? ??? ????????.

?????? ??? ????? ???? ??????; ? ?? ??? ??.

???? ??? ???? ????, ??? ??????? ? ??????? ?????? ???????:
?? ????????? ????? ?????????.

???? ?????????? ????? ????? ???????, ??? ? ???? ??????, ?? ???????
?? ???? ???? "use of uninitialized value" ? ?? ??? ???.

????????, ? ?????-?? ?? 1.3-?? ?????? ???? ????? ????????:
?? ???????? ???????, ???? ????????? ??????? ????? ??????? ?????
? STDERR. ???? ?? ??????? ?????, ????????? 3-4 ?????? %))



--
???? ??????????


From q at cono.org.ua  Fri Aug 13 07:39:48 2010
From: q at cono.org.ua (Alex Varyanick)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 17:39:48 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6INCf0YDQvtCy0LXRgNC60Lg=?=
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	<1281424555.2102.11.camel@localhost>
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	<AANLkTi=t0mOtjYaZ1FYsLCv9k5eECB6o8Cm-sOunEYFU@mail.gmail.com>
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	<377731281530469@web84.yandex.ru>
	<AANLkTikGZUkxQho4n5xw=wLud-+i1-sw+gTm1EO0T0xR@mail.gmail.com>
	<35931281663671@web62.yandex.ru>
	<4C653AB3.8010901@ali.org.ua>
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2010/8/13 Oleg Alistratov <ali at ali.org.ua>:
>
>
> On 13.08.2010 15:55, Alex Varyanick wrote:
>
>> $self->log->warn($msg) if $self->can('log');
>
> ???, ???????! blessed ????? ?????? ????? ????????.
>
> ???? ?? ??? ????????? ????? ?????? ?? ??????:
>
> ?- Can't locate object method via package
??? ?????? ????????????, ????? ?? ????? ????????? ??? ?????? ??????????.
> ?- Can't call method on unblessed reference
????? ?????????
> ?- Can't call method without a package or object reference

?????? ????. ?????? ?????????? ?????? ???? ?????. ??? ???? ???? ??,
???? ????. ? ???? ??? ???? ???????? ???..., ??? ???????? ????????????
??????? ??? ????????.

-- 
Varyanick I. Alex
icq: 102 575 440
skype: cono..
q at cono.org.ua

From ali at ali.org.ua  Fri Aug 13 06:50:56 2010
From: ali at ali.org.ua (Oleg Alistratov)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 16:50:56 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?0J/RgNC+0LLQtdGA0LrQuA==?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikSMDnD_ajvT7amZO7H756z6W0XaWE9vQ2pCqA0@mail.gmail.com>
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On 13.08.2010 16:36, Sergey Leschenko wrote:

> IMHO, ???????????? ????? ?? ?????? ?????, ????? ?????? ????? ????????
> ? ???????? ???????.
> ???????? ?????????? log ? ???????????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?? ??????
> (NullObject). ??? ??????? ? ???????? ??? ?????
> ??????????????/???????????????? ? ??????????? ????????.

?? ??, ????? ????????????? ?????, ? ????????.

?????? ? ???????? ???????? ????????????? ????????????? ??????????????
? ??? ??? ?????????????.

??????, ????? ??? ???????? ;)


-- 
???? ??????????


From ali at ali.org.ua  Fri Aug 13 06:45:28 2010
From: ali at ali.org.ua (Oleg Alistratov)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 16:45:28 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?0J/RgNC+0LLQtdGA0LrQuA==?=
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On 13.08.2010 15:55, Alex Varyanick wrote:

> $self->log->warn($msg) if $self->can('log');

???, ???????! blessed ????? ?????? ????? ????????.

???? ?? ??? ????????? ????? ?????? ?? ??????:

  - Can't locate object method via package
  - Can't call method on unblessed reference
  - Can't call method without a package or object reference


-- 
???? ??????????


From ali at ali.org.ua  Fri Aug 13 06:38:26 2010
From: ali at ali.org.ua (Oleg Alistratov)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 16:38:26 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?0J/RgNC+0LLQtdGA0LrQuA==?=
In-Reply-To: <4C654091.2040802@gmail.com>
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On 13.08.2010 15:54, ??????? wrote:

> ? ??? ? ???? ?????? eval ???? ?? ???????

eval ? ??? ????? ultima ratio, ??????? goto, ??? ?????? ???
????????????? ??????? ?? ?????????? ??????????? ????????????:
???? eval, ????? eval ? ?? ?????? ?????? ;)

???????????? ?????? ??? ?????????? ??????, ??????, ?????? %)


From sergle.ua at gmail.com  Fri Aug 13 06:36:09 2010
From: sergle.ua at gmail.com (Sergey Leschenko)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 16:36:09 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6INCf0YDQvtCy0LXRgNC60Lg=?=
In-Reply-To: <4C653D58.80806@ali.org.ua>
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	<AANLkTi=t0mOtjYaZ1FYsLCv9k5eECB6o8Cm-sOunEYFU@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik4uKKd1KHscpM_PJEdO8g7rb6wF8m9rbSoh5pp@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTiniTnHswauaDS7rB++E-xQasZxWFwNpJhb80B5+@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimThjAD1tD+D6x6vSGx1nvbb5mKDF2qC9uyJujs@mail.gmail.com>
	<238231281463588@web46.yandex.ru>
	<AANLkTi=+Rhzooo+gjtLabVDyj-zwSKeNp1OsoON-W+H_@mail.gmail.com>
	<239151281487156@web14.yandex.ru>
	<AANLkTikZ9fwKCFPqBZMXZcuL18=GD4aerbSSnUhZ45ro@mail.gmail.com>
	<377731281530469@web84.yandex.ru>
	<AANLkTikGZUkxQho4n5xw=wLud-+i1-sw+gTm1EO0T0xR@mail.gmail.com>
	<35931281663671@web62.yandex.ru>
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	<1281702836.7972.59.camel@localhost>
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2010/8/13 Oleg Alistratov <ali at ali.org.ua>:
> ?????? ? ????????. ??? ????? ?????: ???? ????? ???????? ??????
> ??? ????? ? ????? ???, ?? ?? ? ???? ???????, ??? ? ??? ???,
> ? carp() ??????? ? ????? ??????.

IMHO, ???????????? ????? ?? ?????? ?????, ????? ?????? ????? ????????
? ???????? ???????.
???????? ?????????? log ? ???????????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?? ??????
(NullObject). ??? ??????? ? ???????? ??? ?????
??????????????/???????????????? ? ??????????? ????????.

-- 
Sergey

From ali at ali.org.ua  Fri Aug 13 06:34:42 2010
From: ali at ali.org.ua (Oleg Alistratov)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 16:34:42 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?0J/RgNC+0LLQtdGA0LrQuA==?=
In-Reply-To: <1281703419.7972.60.camel@localhost>
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On 13.08.2010 15:43, Serg V. Gulko wrote:

> ? ????? ??????, ??? ?? ???????? ?????? ??????? ?????????? ?? ?????
> ?????? ?????????? ???????????....imho

??, ???? ??????? (???? ??? ?? ??????????? ???????) ? ?????
?????? ???, ????? ??? ???? ??????????????.

???? ????? ??????? 10 ??? ????????, ?? ?????? ?????? ? ??????????? ;)

????? ??? ? ??? ?????????????? ????? ?? ???? ??????
??????? ?????????? ?????, ???????? ?? exists ? defined,
?? ? ????-??????? ???????? ?? ??????????? ??????.



--
???? ??????????


From q at cono.org.ua  Fri Aug 13 05:55:26 2010
From: q at cono.org.ua (Alex Varyanick)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 15:55:26 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6INCf0YDQvtCy0LXRgNC60Lg=?=
In-Reply-To: <4C653AB3.8010901@ali.org.ua>
References: <E1OiidL-000Hgh-2u@ffe14.ukr.net>
	<1281424555.2102.11.camel@localhost>
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	<AANLkTi=t0mOtjYaZ1FYsLCv9k5eECB6o8Cm-sOunEYFU@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik4uKKd1KHscpM_PJEdO8g7rb6wF8m9rbSoh5pp@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTiniTnHswauaDS7rB++E-xQasZxWFwNpJhb80B5+@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimThjAD1tD+D6x6vSGx1nvbb5mKDF2qC9uyJujs@mail.gmail.com>
	<238231281463588@web46.yandex.ru>
	<AANLkTi=+Rhzooo+gjtLabVDyj-zwSKeNp1OsoON-W+H_@mail.gmail.com>
	<239151281487156@web14.yandex.ru>
	<AANLkTikZ9fwKCFPqBZMXZcuL18=GD4aerbSSnUhZ45ro@mail.gmail.com>
	<377731281530469@web84.yandex.ru>
	<AANLkTikGZUkxQho4n5xw=wLud-+i1-sw+gTm1EO0T0xR@mail.gmail.com>
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2010/8/13 Oleg Alistratov <ali at ali.org.ua>:
>
> ???????, ??? ??? ????????? ? ?????:
>
> ? ?if (ref($self) && blessed($self) && $self->can('log') &&
> blessed($self->log) && $self->log->can('warn')) {
> ? ? ? ?$self->log->warn($msg);
> ? ?}

$self->log->warn($msg) if $self->can('log');

-- 
Varyanick I. Alex
icq: 102 575 440
skype: cono..
q at cono.org.ua

From ykorshak at gmail.com  Fri Aug 13 05:54:41 2010
From: ykorshak at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0K/RgNC+0YHQu9Cw0LI=?=)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 15:54:41 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?0J/RgNC+0LLQtdGA0LrQuA==?=
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-------- ???????? ????????? --------
>
>
> On 13.08.2010 15:33, Serg V. Gulko wrote:
>
>> ??? ??????? ?? ????, ??? ? ??? ?? ???????:) ???? ?????? ????????? - ???
>> ?? ??? ????????? ??????????, ?????? ?? ?? ???????? ???(??????, ??? ?????
>> ???????? ? ?????). ?? ??? ?? ???????, ???? ??? ???????? ?? ??????? ????
>> ???????? ??? ??????????? ???????? ??????, ???????? ????(? ???? ? ???
>> ?????) ? ?????????, ? ??? ?? ???????:)
>
> ?????? ? ????????. ??? ????? ?????: ???? ????? ???????? ??????
> ??? ????? ? ????? ???, ?? ?? ? ???? ???????, ??? ? ??? ???,
> ? carp() ??????? ? ????? ??????.
>
> ??????? ? ??? ???????? ???????? ?? ??, ???
>
>  $self->isa("SomeLib::Base") ? $self->log->isa("SomeLib::Log")
>
> ?? ?? ????? ??????? ???????.
>
> ???????? ?? eval { $self->log->warn }
> ???? ???-?? ?? ??????.
>
> ??? ? ?????.

? ??? ? ???? ?????? eval ???? ?? ???????


From ali at ali.org.ua  Fri Aug 13 05:45:56 2010
From: ali at ali.org.ua (Oleg Alistratov)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 15:45:56 +0300
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On 13.08.2010 15:40, Oleg Alistratov wrote:

?, ????? ???? ?????? ?????? ref, ?? ??????? ????????????? blessed.
??? ????????? ??????????.

>>> if (ref($self)&& blessed($self)&& $self->can('log')&&
>>> blessed($self->log)&& $self->log->can('warn')) {
>>> $self->log->warn($msg);

-- 
???? ??????????


From s.gulko at gmail.com  Fri Aug 13 05:43:39 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (Serg V. Gulko)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 15:43:39 +0300
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? ????? ??????, ??? ?? ???????? ?????? ??????? ?????????? ?? ?????
?????? ?????????? ???????????....imho

? ???, 13/08/2010 ? 15:40 +0300, Oleg Alistratov ?????:

> 
> On 13.08.2010 15:33, Serg V. Gulko wrote:
> 
> > ??? ??????? ?? ????, ??? ? ??? ?? ???????:) ???? ?????? ????????? - ???
> > ?? ??? ????????? ??????????, ?????? ?? ?? ???????? ???(??????, ??? ?????
> > ???????? ? ?????). ?? ??? ?? ???????, ???? ??? ???????? ?? ??????? ????
> > ???????? ??? ??????????? ???????? ??????, ???????? ????(? ???? ? ???
> > ?????) ? ?????????, ? ??? ?? ???????:)
> 
> ?????? ? ????????. ??? ????? ?????: ???? ????? ???????? ??????
> ??? ????? ? ????? ???, ?? ?? ? ???? ???????, ??? ? ??? ???,
> ? carp() ??????? ? ????? ??????.
> 
> ??????? ? ??? ???????? ???????? ?? ??, ???
> 
>   $self->isa("SomeLib::Base") ? $self->log->isa("SomeLib::Log")
> 
> ?? ?? ????? ??????? ???????.
> 
> ???????? ?? eval { $self->log->warn }
> ???? ???-?? ?? ??????.
> 
> ??? ? ?????.
> 
> 
> > ? ???, 13/08/2010 ? 15:29 +0300, Oleg Alistratov ?????:
> >> ????  ??????,
> >>
> >> ???????,???  ???  ?????????  ?  ?????:
> >>
> >>       if (ref($self)&&  blessed($self)&&  $self->can('log')&&
> >> blessed($self->log)&&  $self->log->can('warn')) {
> >>           $self->log->warn($msg);
> >>       }
> >>
> >> ???  ?  ??????????????  ?  ?????  ????  ??????
> 
> --
> ????  ??????????


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From ali at ali.org.ua  Fri Aug 13 05:40:56 2010
From: ali at ali.org.ua (Oleg Alistratov)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 15:40:56 +0300
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On 13.08.2010 15:33, Serg V. Gulko wrote:

> ??? ??????? ?? ????, ??? ? ??? ?? ???????:) ???? ?????? ????????? - ???
> ?? ??? ????????? ??????????, ?????? ?? ?? ???????? ???(??????, ??? ?????
> ???????? ? ?????). ?? ??? ?? ???????, ???? ??? ???????? ?? ??????? ????
> ???????? ??? ??????????? ???????? ??????, ???????? ????(? ???? ? ???
> ?????) ? ?????????, ? ??? ?? ???????:)

?????? ? ????????. ??? ????? ?????: ???? ????? ???????? ??????
??? ????? ? ????? ???, ?? ?? ? ???? ???????, ??? ? ??? ???,
? carp() ??????? ? ????? ??????.

??????? ? ??? ???????? ???????? ?? ??, ???

  $self->isa("SomeLib::Base") ? $self->log->isa("SomeLib::Log")

?? ?? ????? ??????? ???????.

???????? ?? eval { $self->log->warn }
???? ???-?? ?? ??????.

??? ? ?????.


> ? ???, 13/08/2010 ? 15:29 +0300, Oleg Alistratov ?????:
>> ????  ??????,
>>
>> ???????,???  ???  ?????????  ?  ?????:
>>
>>       if (ref($self)&&  blessed($self)&&  $self->can('log')&&
>> blessed($self->log)&&  $self->log->can('warn')) {
>>           $self->log->warn($msg);
>>       }
>>
>> ???  ?  ??????????????  ?  ?????  ????  ??????

--
????  ??????????


From s.gulko at gmail.com  Fri Aug 13 05:33:56 2010
From: s.gulko at gmail.com (Serg V. Gulko)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 15:33:56 +0300
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??? ??????? ?? ????, ??? ? ??? ?? ???????:) ???? ?????? ????????? - ???
?? ??? ????????? ??????????, ?????? ?? ?? ???????? ???(??????, ??? ?????
???????? ? ?????). ?? ??? ?? ???????, ???? ??? ???????? ?? ??????? ????
???????? ??? ??????????? ???????? ??????, ???????? ????(? ???? ? ???
?????) ? ?????????, ? ??? ?? ???????:)

? ???, 13/08/2010 ? 15:29 +0300, Oleg Alistratov ?????:

> ???? ??????,
> 
> ???????, ??? ??? ????????? ? ?????:
> 
>      if (ref($self) && blessed($self) && $self->can('log') && 
> blessed($self->log) && $self->log->can('warn')) {
>          $self->log->warn($msg);
>      }
> 
> ??? ? ?????????????? ? ????? ???? ??????
> 
> 
> --
> ???? ??????????


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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 15:29:39 +0300
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???? ??????,

???????, ??? ??? ????????? ? ?????:

     if (ref($self) && blessed($self) && $self->can('log') && 
blessed($self->log) && $self->log->can('warn')) {
         $self->log->warn($msg);
     }

??? ? ?????????????? ? ????? ???? ??????


--
???? ??????????


From simne at yandex.ru  Wed Aug 18 07:27:55 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 18:27:55 +0400
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? XML, ?? ? ? XMPP ????, ?? ????????????? ??????? ??????????? ?? ?????? ? ??????? ???????? ? ??????? ??????????????? ?????????? ???????.
????????, ????? ?? ?????? XMPP ??????? ??????? ? ??????? ??????? ????????? ? ??????????????, ??? ??????????? ?????? ?????? ????? ????????? ??????? ???? ???? ?????? ? ??????????? ? ??????? ???? ????????, ?? ?????? ????????? ? ????????? ?? ?????????????.

??????? ???????? ??????, ????? ????? ??????? (???????? ??????? ?????????) ??-??????? ?????????? ????? ?????????? ????, ? ???? ?? ??????? XMPP ??????? ???????????? ?? ????? ?????? ?? ??????, ? ???????? ??????????? ???????? ?? ????? XMPP ? ????? API.

18.08.10, 00:27, "??????? ????????" <notformat at gmail.com>:
> ???? ??????, ? ????? ????? ????? ????? xml ?????????? ??????? ?????????
> 
> 18 ??????? 2010 ?. 0:21 ???????????? Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru> ???????:
> > ??, ??? ??? ?? ???????? XML ?? ?????? ???????, ?????? ?? ????? ?????? ????????? ??????? ??????? gzip encoding, ? ????? ????? ??????? ?????-?? ?????? XML ????? ?? ?????????.
> > ?? ??? ?? ??? ???? ????????? ?????? ??????????? XML, ??????? ?? ?????? ??????? ?????? ??????????? ?? ??? ??????? - ????? ??????? ?????.
> > 
> > 17.08.10, 19:53, "??????? ????????" <notformat at gmail.com>:
> >  
> > > XMPP - ??? ????? ??????? ??? ??????)
> > >
> > > 17 ??????? 2010 ?. 19:21 ???????????? Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru> ???????:
> > > > ? ??? ???????: ??? ????????? ????????? XMPP ????? ?????????? ?????????? - ??? ?????????? XML, ??? ???????? ???????? ????????? ????? ?????? ? ????? ???????????? ??????.
> > > > ?????? ???????? ?? ? ??? ??? ????? ?????, ? ? ??? ??? ???? ???????? ????????? ????????????? ????? - ? ??????? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ????? ? ??????? ? ??????? ????????? ?????????, ??????? ??????? ? ?????? ??????????? ??? ???????? ??????, ? ??????????????, ????? ??????? ?????????????? ???????? ??????????? ??? ?????? ? ?????????????? ?????? ????????.
> > > >
> > > > ????? ???????????????? ????????? ??? ????????? ? ????????????? ????????, ?? ? ???????? ????? ????????? ??? ?? ????? ????????? ?????????????? ?????????, ??????? ??????????? ?????????????? ????????, ? ????????? ????-?? ? ???????? +-10%, ????? ????????? ???? - ????????? ????? ????? ??????? ?? ?????????.
> > > >
> > > > ??????? ????? ????????????? ????????? ?? ??????? ?????? ?????????? ? ??????? ???????? ? ????-?? ??????.
> > > > ??????????, ????????? ? ???????, ? Perl6 ????? ???????????? (??? ??? ????) ?????????? ???????? ???????? ????????? ??????? ????????, ??????? ????? ???????? ??? ?????? ??????.
> > > >
> > > > 17.08.10, 11:51, "Igor nevermind" <igor.bliss at gmail.com>:
> > > >
> > > > > ?? ?????? ?????, ? ??? ????. ??? ?? ?????? ? ???? ??? ?????? XMPP2 ? ???????? ??????? ?????????? jabber ???????? ??? ???-???
> > > > > ?????? BOSH. BOSH -- ??? HTTP ????????? ? XMPP ???????, ? ?? ????????? ?????????? server-push ??? HTTP ?????????, ???? ?? ????? ????????? ? ???? ????. ? ????? ??????-?? ??? ?? ??????? ?????? server-push
> > > > >
> > > > > 17 ??????? 2010 ?. 10:22 ???????????? Konstantin Cherednichenko <dshadowukraine at gmail.com> ???????:
> > > > > > ?? WebSockets ???? ????????... ? Mojo ?? ??? ??????????.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > djabberd ??????? ? ???????? ??? ???? ??? 3. ??? ? ??? ????????? XMPP2...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ? ????? ????? ??????????? ?????? ?? WebSockets. ??? ??????? ????? ???????? GUI ??????? ?? perl + QT/GTK/TK/Wx...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2010/8/16 Igor nevermind <igor.bliss at gmail.com>
> > > > > > > ????????, ??? ? ????????? ??????????. ?? ?????? BOSH -- ????? ???????? (http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0124.html, http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0206.html) ?, ????????, ????? ????? ?????????????? ???????????? ??????????. ???? ?? ??????, ??? ?? ?????????, ??? ?????? ???????? ???????? ?? ?????, ?????? ? ?????? ???????. ? ??? ????? ???? ?? ????????? ????????? ? ???? ?? ????????? -- ??? ?????, ??? ???????? ? ???? ????? ????? ????. ?? ? ???????? XMPP ?????? ??????? (djabberd)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 16 ??????? 2010 ?. 15:40 ???????????? Konstantin Cherednichenko <dshadowukraine at gmail.com> ???????:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ? ???? ???????? BOSH ?????? ?? WebSockets?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2010/8/16 Igor nevermind <igor.bliss at gmail.com>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ? ?????? ????? ????? ?????? ??? ??????. ????? ????? ??? ???? ??????? ?? ????-?????? ????????????? ? ?????????????????, ??? ??? ????????? ? ???? -- ?????? ??? ????? ??????????? ?? ??? ???? ?????? ???????. ????? ??????????!
> > > > > > > > > ? BOSH ?????? -- ??? ???????? ???????? ??? XMPP (???????) ???????, ??????? ????????? ???????? ? ????????? ????? HTTP.
> > > > > > > > > ??? ?????????? ?????? ???????? ??????????????? ?? ?????, ???????? (????, ?????????? ?????????, ?????? ???? ? ?????? ??????)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 16 ??????? 2010 ?. 14:57 ???????????? Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru> ???????:
> > > > > > > > > > 16.08.10, 11:06, "Igor nevermind" <igor.bliss at gmail.com>:
> > > > > > > > > > > ? ?????, ? ??? (? ??????, ????????????? ?? Perl) ?? ??? ??? ??????????? BOSH ?????? (? ??????????? ??? ?????????? Punjab). ???-?? ???? ??????, ??
> > > > > > > > > > ????????, ? ??????? ?? ? ????, ? ????? ????? BOSH ???????
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ? ?????? ????????-?? ???????? ? ???? ????? ?????? ?? ??????????? ????????? ?????? ? ????? ?? ????? ???????.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Konstantin Cherednichenko
> > > > > > > > KC439-RIPE, KC96-UANIC
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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???? ??????, ? ????? ????? ????? ????? xml ?????????? ??????? ?????????

18 ??????? 2010 ?. 0:21 ???????????? Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru>???????:

> ??, ??? ??? ?? ???????? XML ?? ?????? ???????, ?????? ?? ????? ??????
> ????????? ??????? ??????? gzip encoding, ? ????? ????? ??????? ?????-??
> ?????? XML ????? ?? ?????????.
> ?? ??? ?? ??? ???? ????????? ?????? ??????????? XML, ??????? ?? ??????
> ??????? ?????? ??????????? ?? ??? ??????? - ????? ??????? ?????.
>
> 17.08.10, 19:53, "??????? ????????" <notformat at gmail.com>:
> > XMPP - ??? ????? ??????? ??? ??????)
> >
> > 17 ??????? 2010 ?. 19:21 ???????????? Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru>
> ???????:
> > > ? ??? ???????: ??? ????????? ????????? XMPP ????? ?????????? ??????????
> - ??? ?????????? XML, ??? ???????? ???????? ????????? ????? ?????? ? ?????
> ???????????? ??????.
> > > ?????? ???????? ?? ? ??? ??? ????? ?????, ? ? ??? ??? ???? ????????
> ????????? ????????????? ????? - ? ??????? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ????? ?
> ??????? ? ??????? ????????? ?????????, ??????? ??????? ? ?????? ???????????
> ??? ???????? ??????, ? ??????????????, ????? ??????? ?????????????? ????????
> ??????????? ??? ?????? ? ?????????????? ?????? ????????.
> > >
> > > ????? ???????????????? ????????? ??? ????????? ? ?????????????
> ????????, ?? ? ???????? ????? ????????? ??? ?? ????? ?????????
> ?????????????? ?????????, ??????? ??????????? ?????????????? ????????, ?
> ????????? ????-?? ? ???????? +-10%, ????? ????????? ???? - ????????? ?????
> ????? ??????? ?? ?????????.
> > >
> > > ??????? ????? ????????????? ????????? ?? ??????? ?????? ?????????? ?
> ??????? ???????? ? ????-?? ??????.
> > > ??????????, ????????? ? ???????, ? Perl6 ????? ???????????? (??? ???
> ????) ?????????? ???????? ???????? ????????? ??????? ????????, ??????? ?????
> ???????? ??? ?????? ??????.
> > >
> > > 17.08.10, 11:51, "Igor nevermind" <igor.bliss at gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > > ?? ?????? ?????, ? ??? ????. ??? ?? ?????? ? ???? ??? ?????? XMPP2 ?
> ???????? ??????? ?????????? jabber ???????? ??? ???-???
> > > > ?????? BOSH. BOSH -- ??? HTTP ????????? ? XMPP ???????, ? ??
> ????????? ?????????? server-push ??? HTTP ?????????, ???? ?? ????? ?????????
> ? ???? ????. ? ????? ??????-?? ??? ?? ??????? ?????? server-push
> > > >
> > > > 17 ??????? 2010 ?. 10:22 ???????????? Konstantin Cherednichenko <
> dshadowukraine at gmail.com> ???????:
> > > > > ?? WebSockets ???? ????????... ? Mojo ?? ??? ??????????.
> > > > >
> > > > > djabberd ??????? ? ???????? ??? ???? ??? 3. ??? ? ??? ?????????
> XMPP2...
> > > > >
> > > > > ? ????? ????? ??????????? ?????? ?? WebSockets. ??? ??????? ?????
> ???????? GUI ??????? ?? perl + QT/GTK/TK/Wx...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 2010/8/16 Igor nevermind <igor.bliss at gmail.com>
> > > > > > ????????, ??? ? ????????? ??????????. ?? ?????? BOSH -- ?????
> ???????? (http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0124.html,
> http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0206.html) ?, ????????, ????? ?????
> ?????????????? ???????????? ??????????. ???? ?? ??????, ??? ?? ?????????,
> ??? ?????? ???????? ???????? ?? ?????, ?????? ? ?????? ???????. ? ??? ?????
> ???? ?? ????????? ????????? ? ???? ?? ????????? -- ??? ?????, ??? ???????? ?
> ???? ????? ????? ????. ?? ? ???????? XMPP ?????? ??????? (djabberd)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 16 ??????? 2010 ?. 15:40 ???????????? Konstantin Cherednichenko <
> dshadowukraine at gmail.com> ???????:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > ? ???? ???????? BOSH ?????? ?? WebSockets?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2010/8/16 Igor nevermind <igor.bliss at gmail.com>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ? ?????? ????? ????? ?????? ??? ??????. ????? ????? ??? ????
> ??????? ?? ????-?????? ????????????? ? ?????????????????, ??? ??? ?????????
> ? ???? -- ?????? ??? ????? ??????????? ?? ??? ???? ?????? ???????. ?????
> ??????????!
> > > > > > > > ? BOSH ?????? -- ??? ???????? ???????? ??? XMPP (???????)
> ???????, ??????? ????????? ???????? ? ????????? ????? HTTP.
> > > > > > > > ??? ?????????? ?????? ???????? ??????????????? ?? ?????,
> ???????? (????, ?????????? ?????????, ?????? ???? ? ?????? ??????)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 16 ??????? 2010 ?. 14:57 ???????????? Sergeev Serge <
> simne at yandex.ru> ???????:
> > > > > > > > > 16.08.10, 11:06, "Igor nevermind" <igor.bliss at gmail.com>:
> > > > > > > > > > ? ?????, ? ??? (? ??????, ????????????? ?? Perl) ?? ???
> ??? ??????????? BOSH ?????? (? ??????????? ??? ?????????? Punjab). ???-??
> ???? ??????, ??
> > > > > > > > > ????????, ? ??????? ?? ? ????, ? ????? ????? BOSH ???????
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ? ?????? ????????-?? ???????? ? ???? ????? ?????? ??
> ??????????? ????????? ?????? ? ????? ?? ????? ???????.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Konstantin Cherednichenko
> > > > > > > KC439-RIPE, KC96-UANIC
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Konstantin Cherednichenko
> > > > > KC439-RIPE, KC96-UANIC
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??, ??? ??? ?? ???????? XML ?? ?????? ???????, ?????? ?? ????? ?????? ????????? ??????? ??????? gzip encoding, ? ????? ????? ??????? ?????-?? ?????? XML ????? ?? ?????????.
?? ??? ?? ??? ???? ????????? ?????? ??????????? XML, ??????? ?? ?????? ??????? ?????? ??????????? ?? ??? ??????? - ????? ??????? ?????.

17.08.10, 19:53, "??????? ????????" <notformat at gmail.com>:
> XMPP - ??? ????? ??????? ??? ??????)
> 
> 17 ??????? 2010 ?. 19:21 ???????????? Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru> ???????:
> > ? ??? ???????: ??? ????????? ????????? XMPP ????? ?????????? ?????????? - ??? ?????????? XML, ??? ???????? ???????? ????????? ????? ?????? ? ????? ???????????? ??????.
> > ?????? ???????? ?? ? ??? ??? ????? ?????, ? ? ??? ??? ???? ???????? ????????? ????????????? ????? - ? ??????? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ????? ? ??????? ? ??????? ????????? ?????????, ??????? ??????? ? ?????? ??????????? ??? ???????? ??????, ? ??????????????, ????? ??????? ?????????????? ???????? ??????????? ??? ?????? ? ?????????????? ?????? ????????.
> > 
> > ????? ???????????????? ????????? ??? ????????? ? ????????????? ????????, ?? ? ???????? ????? ????????? ??? ?? ????? ????????? ?????????????? ?????????, ??????? ??????????? ?????????????? ????????, ? ????????? ????-?? ? ???????? +-10%, ????? ????????? ???? - ????????? ????? ????? ??????? ?? ?????????.
> > 
> > ??????? ????? ????????????? ????????? ?? ??????? ?????? ?????????? ? ??????? ???????? ? ????-?? ??????.
> > ??????????, ????????? ? ???????, ? Perl6 ????? ???????????? (??? ??? ????) ?????????? ???????? ???????? ????????? ??????? ????????, ??????? ????? ???????? ??? ?????? ??????.
> > 
> > 17.08.10, 11:51, "Igor nevermind" <igor.bliss at gmail.com>:
> >  
> > > ?? ?????? ?????, ? ??? ????. ??? ?? ?????? ? ???? ??? ?????? XMPP2 ? ???????? ??????? ?????????? jabber ???????? ??? ???-???
> > > ?????? BOSH. BOSH -- ??? HTTP ????????? ? XMPP ???????, ? ?? ????????? ?????????? server-push ??? HTTP ?????????, ???? ?? ????? ????????? ? ???? ????. ? ????? ??????-?? ??? ?? ??????? ?????? server-push
> > >
> > > 17 ??????? 2010 ?. 10:22 ???????????? Konstantin Cherednichenko <dshadowukraine at gmail.com> ???????:
> > > > ?? WebSockets ???? ????????... ? Mojo ?? ??? ??????????.
> > > >
> > > > djabberd ??????? ? ???????? ??? ???? ??? 3. ??? ? ??? ????????? XMPP2...
> > > >
> > > > ? ????? ????? ??????????? ?????? ?? WebSockets. ??? ??????? ????? ???????? GUI ??????? ?? perl + QT/GTK/TK/Wx...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2010/8/16 Igor nevermind <igor.bliss at gmail.com>
> > > > > ????????, ??? ? ????????? ??????????. ?? ?????? BOSH -- ????? ???????? (http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0124.html, http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0206.html) ?, ????????, ????? ????? ?????????????? ???????????? ??????????. ???? ?? ??????, ??? ?? ?????????, ??? ?????? ???????? ???????? ?? ?????, ?????? ? ?????? ???????. ? ??? ????? ???? ?? ????????? ????????? ? ???? ?? ????????? -- ??? ?????, ??? ???????? ? ???? ????? ????? ????. ?? ? ???????? XMPP ?????? ??????? (djabberd)
> > > > >
> > > > > 16 ??????? 2010 ?. 15:40 ???????????? Konstantin Cherednichenko <dshadowukraine at gmail.com> ???????:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > ? ???? ???????? BOSH ?????? ?? WebSockets?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2010/8/16 Igor nevermind <igor.bliss at gmail.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > ? ?????? ????? ????? ?????? ??? ??????. ????? ????? ??? ???? ??????? ?? ????-?????? ????????????? ? ?????????????????, ??? ??? ????????? ? ???? -- ?????? ??? ????? ??????????? ?? ??? ???? ?????? ???????. ????? ??????????!
> > > > > > > ? BOSH ?????? -- ??? ???????? ???????? ??? XMPP (???????) ???????, ??????? ????????? ???????? ? ????????? ????? HTTP.
> > > > > > > ??? ?????????? ?????? ???????? ??????????????? ?? ?????, ???????? (????, ?????????? ?????????, ?????? ???? ? ?????? ??????)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 16 ??????? 2010 ?. 14:57 ???????????? Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru> ???????:
> > > > > > > > 16.08.10, 11:06, "Igor nevermind" <igor.bliss at gmail.com>:
> > > > > > > > > ? ?????, ? ??? (? ??????, ????????????? ?? Perl) ?? ??? ??? ??????????? BOSH ?????? (? ??????????? ??? ?????????? Punjab). ???-?? ???? ??????, ??
> > > > > > > > ????????, ? ??????? ?? ? ????, ? ????? ????? BOSH ???????
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ? ?????? ????????-?? ???????? ? ???? ????? ?????? ?? ??????????? ????????? ?????? ? ????? ?? ????? ???????.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Konstantin Cherednichenko
> > > > > > KC439-RIPE, KC96-UANIC
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Konstantin Cherednichenko
> > > > KC439-RIPE, KC96-UANIC
> > >
> 
> 
> 
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XMPP - ??? ????? ??????? ??? ??????)

17 ??????? 2010 ?. 19:21 ???????????? Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru>???????:

> ? ??? ???????: ??? ????????? ????????? XMPP ????? ?????????? ?????????? -
> ??? ?????????? XML, ??? ???????? ???????? ????????? ????? ?????? ? ?????
> ???????????? ??????.
> ?????? ???????? ?? ? ??? ??? ????? ?????, ? ? ??? ??? ???? ????????
> ????????? ????????????? ????? - ? ??????? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ????? ?
> ??????? ? ??????? ????????? ?????????, ??????? ??????? ? ?????? ???????????
> ??? ???????? ??????, ? ??????????????, ????? ??????? ?????????????? ????????
> ??????????? ??? ?????? ? ?????????????? ?????? ????????.
>
> ????? ???????????????? ????????? ??? ????????? ? ????????????? ????????, ??
> ? ???????? ????? ????????? ??? ?? ????? ????????? ?????????????? ?????????,
> ??????? ??????????? ?????????????? ????????, ? ????????? ????-?? ? ????????
> +-10%, ????? ????????? ???? - ????????? ????? ????? ??????? ?? ?????????.
>
> ??????? ????? ????????????? ????????? ?? ??????? ?????? ?????????? ?
> ??????? ???????? ? ????-?? ??????.
> ??????????, ????????? ? ???????, ? Perl6 ????? ???????????? (??? ??? ????)
> ?????????? ???????? ???????? ????????? ??????? ????????, ??????? ?????
> ???????? ??? ?????? ??????.
>
> 17.08.10, 11:51, "Igor nevermind" <igor.bliss at gmail.com>:
> > ?? ?????? ?????, ? ??? ????. ??? ?? ?????? ? ???? ??? ?????? XMPP2 ?
> ???????? ??????? ?????????? jabber ???????? ??? ???-???
> > ?????? BOSH. BOSH -- ??? HTTP ????????? ? XMPP ???????, ? ?? ?????????
> ?????????? server-push ??? HTTP ?????????, ???? ?? ????? ????????? ? ????
> ????. ? ????? ??????-?? ??? ?? ??????? ?????? server-push
> >
> > 17 ??????? 2010 ?. 10:22 ???????????? Konstantin Cherednichenko <
> dshadowukraine at gmail.com> ???????:
> > > ?? WebSockets ???? ????????... ? Mojo ?? ??? ??????????.
> > >
> > > djabberd ??????? ? ???????? ??? ???? ??? 3. ??? ? ??? ?????????
> XMPP2...
> > >
> > > ? ????? ????? ??????????? ?????? ?? WebSockets. ??? ??????? ?????
> ???????? GUI ??????? ?? perl + QT/GTK/TK/Wx...
> > >
> > >
> > > 2010/8/16 Igor nevermind <igor.bliss at gmail.com>
> > > > ????????, ??? ? ????????? ??????????. ?? ?????? BOSH -- ?????
> ???????? (http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0124.html,
> http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0206.html) ?, ????????, ????? ?????
> ?????????????? ???????????? ??????????. ???? ?? ??????, ??? ?? ?????????,
> ??? ?????? ???????? ???????? ?? ?????, ?????? ? ?????? ???????. ? ??? ?????
> ???? ?? ????????? ????????? ? ???? ?? ????????? -- ??? ?????, ??? ???????? ?
> ???? ????? ????? ????. ?? ? ???????? XMPP ?????? ??????? (djabberd)
> > > >
> > > > 16 ??????? 2010 ?. 15:40 ???????????? Konstantin Cherednichenko <
> dshadowukraine at gmail.com> ???????:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ? ???? ???????? BOSH ?????? ?? WebSockets?
> > > > >
> > > > > 2010/8/16 Igor nevermind <igor.bliss at gmail.com>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > ? ?????? ????? ????? ?????? ??? ??????. ????? ????? ??? ????
> ??????? ?? ????-?????? ????????????? ? ?????????????????, ??? ??? ?????????
> ? ???? -- ?????? ??? ????? ??????????? ?? ??? ???? ?????? ???????. ?????
> ??????????!
> > > > > > ? BOSH ?????? -- ??? ???????? ???????? ??? XMPP (???????)
> ???????, ??????? ????????? ???????? ? ????????? ????? HTTP.
> > > > > > ??? ?????????? ?????? ???????? ??????????????? ?? ?????, ????????
> (????, ?????????? ?????????, ?????? ???? ? ?????? ??????)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 16 ??????? 2010 ?. 14:57 ???????????? Sergeev Serge <
> simne at yandex.ru> ???????:
> > > > > > > 16.08.10, 11:06, "Igor nevermind" <igor.bliss at gmail.com>:
> > > > > > > > ? ?????, ? ??? (? ??????, ????????????? ?? Perl) ?? ??? ???
> ??????????? BOSH ?????? (? ??????????? ??? ?????????? Punjab). ???-?? ????
> ??????, ??
> > > > > > > ????????, ? ??????? ?? ? ????, ? ????? ????? BOSH ???????
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ? ?????? ????????-?? ???????? ? ???? ????? ?????? ??
> ??????????? ????????? ?????? ? ????? ?? ????? ???????.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Konstantin Cherednichenko
> > > > > KC439-RIPE, KC96-UANIC
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
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From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
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? ??? ???????: ??? ????????? ????????? XMPP ????? ?????????? ?????????? - ??? ?????????? XML, ??? ???????? ???????? ????????? ????? ?????? ? ????? ???????????? ??????.
?????? ???????? ?? ? ??? ??? ????? ?????, ? ? ??? ??? ???? ???????? ????????? ????????????? ????? - ? ??????? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ????? ? ??????? ? ??????? ????????? ?????????, ??????? ??????? ? ?????? ??????????? ??? ???????? ??????, ? ??????????????, ????? ??????? ?????????????? ???????? ??????????? ??? ?????? ? ?????????????? ?????? ????????.

????? ???????????????? ????????? ??? ????????? ? ????????????? ????????, ?? ? ???????? ????? ????????? ??? ?? ????? ????????? ?????????????? ?????????, ??????? ??????????? ?????????????? ????????, ? ????????? ????-?? ? ???????? +-10%, ????? ????????? ???? - ????????? ????? ????? ??????? ?? ?????????.

??????? ????? ????????????? ????????? ?? ??????? ?????? ?????????? ? ??????? ???????? ? ????-?? ??????.
??????????, ????????? ? ???????, ? Perl6 ????? ???????????? (??? ??? ????) ?????????? ???????? ???????? ????????? ??????? ????????, ??????? ????? ???????? ??? ?????? ??????.

17.08.10, 11:51, "Igor nevermind" <igor.bliss at gmail.com>:
> ?? ?????? ?????, ? ??? ????. ??? ?? ?????? ? ???? ??? ?????? XMPP2 ? ???????? ??????? ?????????? jabber ???????? ??? ???-???
> ?????? BOSH. BOSH -- ??? HTTP ????????? ? XMPP ???????, ? ?? ????????? ?????????? server-push ??? HTTP ?????????, ???? ?? ????? ????????? ? ???? ????. ? ????? ??????-?? ??? ?? ??????? ?????? server-push
> 
> 17 ??????? 2010 ?. 10:22 ???????????? Konstantin Cherednichenko <dshadowukraine at gmail.com> ???????:
> > ?? WebSockets ???? ????????... ? Mojo ?? ??? ??????????.
> >  
> > djabberd ??????? ? ???????? ??? ???? ??? 3. ??? ? ??? ????????? XMPP2...
> >  
> > ? ????? ????? ??????????? ?????? ?? WebSockets. ??? ??????? ????? ???????? GUI ??????? ?? perl + QT/GTK/TK/Wx...
> >  
> > 
> > 2010/8/16 Igor nevermind <igor.bliss at gmail.com>
> > > ????????, ??? ? ????????? ??????????. ?? ?????? BOSH -- ????? ???????? (http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0124.html, http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0206.html) ?, ????????, ????? ????? ?????????????? ???????????? ??????????. ???? ?? ??????, ??? ?? ?????????, ??? ?????? ???????? ???????? ?? ?????, ?????? ? ?????? ???????. ? ??? ????? ???? ?? ????????? ????????? ? ???? ?? ????????? -- ??? ?????, ??? ???????? ? ???? ????? ????? ????. ?? ? ???????? XMPP ?????? ??????? (djabberd)
> > > 
> > > 16 ??????? 2010 ?. 15:40 ???????????? Konstantin Cherednichenko <dshadowukraine at gmail.com> ???????:
> > >  
> > > 
> > > > ? ???? ???????? BOSH ?????? ?? WebSockets?
> > > > 
> > > > 2010/8/16 Igor nevermind <igor.bliss at gmail.com>
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > > ? ?????? ????? ????? ?????? ??? ??????. ????? ????? ??? ???? ??????? ?? ????-?????? ????????????? ? ?????????????????, ??? ??? ????????? ? ???? -- ?????? ??? ????? ??????????? ?? ??? ???? ?????? ???????. ????? ??????????!
> > > > > ? BOSH ?????? -- ??? ???????? ???????? ??? XMPP (???????) ???????, ??????? ????????? ???????? ? ????????? ????? HTTP. 
> > > > > ??? ?????????? ?????? ???????? ??????????????? ?? ?????, ???????? (????, ?????????? ?????????, ?????? ???? ? ?????? ??????)
> > > > > 
> > > > > 16 ??????? 2010 ?. 14:57 ???????????? Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru> ???????:
> > > > > > 16.08.10, 11:06, "Igor nevermind" <igor.bliss at gmail.com>:
> > > > > > > ? ?????, ? ??? (? ??????, ????????????? ?? Perl) ?? ??? ??? ??????????? BOSH ?????? (? ??????????? ??? ?????????? Punjab). ???-?? ???? ??????, ??
> > > > > > ????????, ? ??????? ?? ? ????, ? ????? ????? BOSH ???????
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > ? ?????? ????????-?? ???????? ? ???? ????? ?????? ?? ??????????? ????????? ?????? ? ????? ?? ????? ???????.
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > -- 
> > > > Konstantin Cherednichenko
> > > > KC439-RIPE, KC96-UANIC
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Konstantin Cherednichenko
> > KC439-RIPE, KC96-UANIC
> 


From igor.bliss at gmail.com  Tue Aug 17 00:51:33 2010
From: igor.bliss at gmail.com (Igor nevermind)
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?? ?????? ?????, ? ??? ????. ??? ?? ?????? ? ???? ??? ?????? XMPP2 ?
???????? ??????? ?????????? jabber ???????? ??? ???-???
?????? BOSH. BOSH -- ??? HTTP ????????? ? XMPP ???????, ? ?? ?????????
?????????? server-push ??? HTTP ?????????, ???? ?? ????? ????????? ? ????
????. ? ????? ??????-?? ??? ?? ??????? ?????? server-push

17 ??????? 2010 ?. 10:22 ???????????? Konstantin Cherednichenko <
dshadowukraine at gmail.com> ???????:

> ?? WebSockets ???? ????????... ? Mojo ?? ??? ??????????.
>
> djabberd ??????? ? ???????? ??? ???? ??? 3. ??? ? ??? ????????? XMPP2...
>
> ? ????? ????? ??????????? ?????? ?? WebSockets. ??? ??????? ????? ????????
> GUI ??????? ?? perl + QT/GTK/TK/Wx...
>
> 2010/8/16 Igor nevermind <igor.bliss at gmail.com>
>
>> ????????, ??? ? ????????? ??????????. ?? ?????? BOSH -- ????? ???????? (
>> http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0124.html,
>> http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0206.html) ?, ????????, ????? ?????
>> ?????????????? ???????????? ??????????. ???? ?? ??????, ??? ?? ?????????,
>> ??? ?????? ???????? ???????? ?? ?????, ?????? ? ?????? ???????. ? ??? ?????
>> ???? ?? ????????? ????????? ? ???? ?? ????????? -- ??? ?????, ??? ???????? ?
>> ???? ????? ????? ????. ?? ? ???????? XMPP ?????? ??????? (djabberd)
>>
>> 16 ??????? 2010 ?. 15:40 ???????????? Konstantin Cherednichenko <
>> dshadowukraine at gmail.com> ???????:
>>
>> ? ???? ???????? BOSH ?????? ?? WebSockets?
>>>
>>> 2010/8/16 Igor nevermind <igor.bliss at gmail.com>
>>>
>>> ? ?????? ????? ????? ?????? ??? ??????. ????? ????? ??? ???? ??????? ??
>>>> ????-?????? ????????????? ? ?????????????????, ??? ??? ????????? ? ???? --
>>>> ?????? ??? ????? ??????????? ?? ??? ???? ?????? ???????. ????? ??????????!
>>>> ? BOSH ?????? -- ??? ???????? ???????? ??? XMPP (???????) ???????,
>>>> ??????? ????????? ???????? ? ????????? ????? HTTP.
>>>> ??? ?????????? ?????? ???????? ??????????????? ?? ?????, ???????? (????,
>>>> ?????????? ?????????, ?????? ???? ? ?????? ??????)
>>>>
>>>> 16 ??????? 2010 ?. 14:57 ???????????? Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru>???????:
>>>>
>>>>> 16.08.10, 11:06, "Igor nevermind" <igor.bliss at gmail.com>:
>>>>> > ? ?????, ? ??? (? ??????, ????????????? ?? Perl) ?? ??? ???
>>>>> ??????????? BOSH ?????? (? ??????????? ??? ?????????? Punjab). ???-?? ????
>>>>> ??????, ??
>>>>>
>>>>> ????????, ? ??????? ?? ? ????, ? ????? ????? BOSH ???????
>>>>>
>>>>> ? ?????? ????????-?? ???????? ? ???? ????? ?????? ?? ???????????
>>>>> ????????? ?????? ? ????? ?? ????? ???????.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Konstantin Cherednichenko
>>> KC439-RIPE, KC96-UANIC
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Konstantin Cherednichenko
> KC439-RIPE, KC96-UANIC
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From dshadowukraine at gmail.com  Tue Aug 17 00:22:01 2010
From: dshadowukraine at gmail.com (Konstantin Cherednichenko)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 10:22:01 +0300
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?? WebSockets ???? ????????... ? Mojo ?? ??? ??????????.

djabberd ??????? ? ???????? ??? ???? ??? 3. ??? ? ??? ????????? XMPP2...

? ????? ????? ??????????? ?????? ?? WebSockets. ??? ??????? ????? ????????
GUI ??????? ?? perl + QT/GTK/TK/Wx...

2010/8/16 Igor nevermind <igor.bliss at gmail.com>

> ????????, ??? ? ????????? ??????????. ?? ?????? BOSH -- ????? ???????? (
> http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0124.html,
> http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0206.html) ?, ????????, ????? ?????
> ?????????????? ???????????? ??????????. ???? ?? ??????, ??? ?? ?????????,
> ??? ?????? ???????? ???????? ?? ?????, ?????? ? ?????? ???????. ? ??? ?????
> ???? ?? ????????? ????????? ? ???? ?? ????????? -- ??? ?????, ??? ???????? ?
> ???? ????? ????? ????. ?? ? ???????? XMPP ?????? ??????? (djabberd)
>
> 16 ??????? 2010 ?. 15:40 ???????????? Konstantin Cherednichenko <
> dshadowukraine at gmail.com> ???????:
>
> ? ???? ???????? BOSH ?????? ?? WebSockets?
>>
>> 2010/8/16 Igor nevermind <igor.bliss at gmail.com>
>>
>> ? ?????? ????? ????? ?????? ??? ??????. ????? ????? ??? ???? ??????? ??
>>> ????-?????? ????????????? ? ?????????????????, ??? ??? ????????? ? ???? --
>>> ?????? ??? ????? ??????????? ?? ??? ???? ?????? ???????. ????? ??????????!
>>> ? BOSH ?????? -- ??? ???????? ???????? ??? XMPP (???????) ???????,
>>> ??????? ????????? ???????? ? ????????? ????? HTTP.
>>> ??? ?????????? ?????? ???????? ??????????????? ?? ?????, ???????? (????,
>>> ?????????? ?????????, ?????? ???? ? ?????? ??????)
>>>
>>> 16 ??????? 2010 ?. 14:57 ???????????? Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru>???????:
>>>
>>>> 16.08.10, 11:06, "Igor nevermind" <igor.bliss at gmail.com>:
>>>> > ? ?????, ? ??? (? ??????, ????????????? ?? Perl) ?? ??? ???
>>>> ??????????? BOSH ?????? (? ??????????? ??? ?????????? Punjab). ???-?? ????
>>>> ??????, ??
>>>>
>>>> ????????, ? ??????? ?? ? ????, ? ????? ????? BOSH ???????
>>>>
>>>> ? ?????? ????????-?? ???????? ? ???? ????? ?????? ?? ???????????
>>>> ????????? ?????? ? ????? ?? ????? ???????.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Konstantin Cherednichenko
>> KC439-RIPE, KC96-UANIC
>>
>>
>


-- 
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From sergle.ua at gmail.com  Mon Aug 16 13:16:39 2010
From: sergle.ua at gmail.com (Sergey Leschenko)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:16:39 +0300
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2010/8/16 Igor nevermind <igor.bliss at gmail.com>:
> ? ?????, ? ??? (? ??????, ????????????? ?? Perl) ?? ??? ??? ??????????? BOSH
> ?????? (? ??????????? ??? ?????????? Punjab). ???-?? ???? ??????, ??

???? ?? ???????????, ?????? ?????? ?? ??????

-- 
Sergey

From simne at yandex.ru  Mon Aug 16 10:10:06 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 21:10:06 +0400
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???? ? ????????? ??????? ????????? BOSH ? WebSockets, ??-?????, ?????? ?????? ?????? BOSH ?? ????? ???????? ???????.
?????? ??? ? WebSockets ?????? ??????? ?????? ????????? ??? ???? ????? ????? ?????????? ??????????, ? ????? BOSH ?????? ?????? ?? ?????.

??????, ????????? ??? ????????, ? ???? ?????????? ????????? xmpp, ???? ????? ???????, "???????????" ????????????????? ?????????? - ??? ??? ???????? ?? xml, ??????? ????? ???????? ???????? ? ??? ???????? ??????? ????? ????? ??????.
?? ???? xml ????? ??? ??????, ??????? ??????? ???????, ? ?????? ??? ????? ????? ????? ????????? ??????????? ??? ????? ??????? ?????????????? xml, ??? ???????? YAML ? json.

16.08.10, 16:55, "Igor nevermind" <igor.bliss at gmail.com>:
> ????????, ??? ? ????????? ??????????. ?? ?????? BOSH -- ????? ???????? (http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0124.html, http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0206.html) ?, ????????, ????? ????? ?????????????? ???????????? ??????????. ???? ?? ??????, ??? ?? ?????????, ??? ?????? ???????? ???????? ?? ?????, ?????? ? ?????? ???????. ? ??? ????? ???? ?? ????????? ????????? ? ???? ?? ????????? -- ??? ?????, ??? ???????? ? ???? ????? ????? ????. ?? ? ???????? XMPP ?????? ??????? (djabberd)
> 
> 16 ??????? 2010 ?. 15:40 ???????????? Konstantin Cherednichenko <dshadowukraine at gmail.com> ???????:
> > ? ???? ???????? BOSH ?????? ?? WebSockets?
> > 
> > 2010/8/16 Igor nevermind <igor.bliss at gmail.com>
> >  
> > 
> > > ? BOSH ?????? -- ??? ???????? ???????? ??? XMPP (???????) ???????, ??????? ????????? ???????? ? ????????? ????? HTTP. 
> > > ??? ?????????? ?????? ???????? ??????????????? ?? ?????, ???????? (????, ?????????? ?????????, ?????? ???? ? ?????? ??????)
> > > 
> > > 16 ??????? 2010 ?. 14:57 ???????????? Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru> ???????:
> > > > 16.08.10, 11:06, "Igor nevermind" <igor.bliss at gmail.com>:
> > > > > ? ?????, ? ??? (? ??????, ????????????? ?? Perl) ?? ??? ??? ??????????? BOSH ?????? (? ??????????? ??? ?????????? Punjab). ???-?? ???? ??????, ??
> > > > ????????, ? ??????? ?? ? ????, ? ????? ????? BOSH ???????
> > > > 


From simne at yandex.ru  Mon Aug 16 09:12:22 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
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16.08.10, 17:13, "Denis Zhdanov" <denis.zhdanov at gmail.com>:
> 16 ??????? 2010 ?. 16:03 ???????????? Igor nevermind
>  >?????????? ??
>  > ????, ?? ???? ??????????? ?????? ??????, ??????? ??? ????? ???? ???????
>  > ?????? ???? ?????????? ????? ??? ??????????? ??????? ???? ? ??????????--
>  > IBM, ?????? ? ? ?, (? ??? ????????? ?????????? ? ?????? ????? -- ??? ???????
>  > ?????? ?? ???????, ? ??????? ??????? ???????? ?? ??? ???? ? ??????? ??? ??
>  > ?? ?????? ??????????).
>  ?? ???? ??? ???? ?? ??????? - ???? ? USA ?? ??????? ?????????? ???????
>  - ??? ????? ???? ? ????? (??? ?????? ? ?? ?????????) - ?? ??? ?????
>  ??????????? ??????. ????? ????? ? ?????? ????? ?????? ???? ???????.
>  ????????? ????, ??? ??????????.

"?? ?????? ???????? ? ????? ??????, ???????? ???? ? ??????????" (?) ?? ???
12.08.2010 23:17  ?????????? SFLC ???????, ??? ??????? ????? ???????? ?? ????? ???
?? ????????? ??????????? LinuxCon ???????? ????????? ????? ????????????? ???????????? ? ?????????? ?????? Software Freedom Law Center, ???? ?????? (Eben Moglen). ?? ??? ??????, ??????????? ?????????????? ?????????? ???????????????? ??? ? ????????? ??????? ????????????, ???????? ? ????? ??????? ?????????? ???? ?? ???? ???????, ???????, ??????? ?? ???? ??????????? ????????????? ???????? ?? ??.
?????? ? ????????? ????????????????? ?? ????? ???????? ? ?????? ? ????????????? ???????????, ??????? ?????? ?????????? ???????????? ????????? ??????? ?? ?????? ??? ??????? ????, ??? ????????? ???????? (copyleft) ?????????? ????????? ????? (copyright) ??? ??????????????? ???.
? ???????? ??????? ???????????? ????????? ?????? ?????? ????????? ?? ???? ??????????? Open Invention Network (OIN). OIN, ???? ???????????? ? 2005 ???? ???????? ??????????????? ???????????? ??????????? (IBM, Redhat ? ??.), ? ????? ??????????? ?????? Linux-??????????? ?? ????????? ?????????. OIN ????? ???????????? ???????? ???????? (patent pool) ? ??????? ????????, ?????? ????????, ???????? ???????? ???, ???????? ????????? ??????? ????????? ? ??????? ??????????????? ???????? ????????. ????? ????????? ????? ??????, OIN ????? ????? ???????????? ???????? ???????? ??????? ? ??? ???????????? ?????-???????????? ?????????? ? ?????? Linux. ?????? ????????????, ??? ?????????????? ???????????? ???????? ? ?????????? Open Source ?????? ???? ??????????????.
http://www.opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=27608

From simne at yandex.ru  Mon Aug 16 09:04:24 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 20:04:24 +0400
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??????, ?????? ??? ????? ?? ??? ???? ????? ??????????? ??? ???? ? ??? ??????.

? ????????? ??????????, ? ??? ?? ? ???? ????? ? ????? ????????!

?? ?????? ??????, ????????? ?? ???? ???????? ???????????, ????????? ???? ???????????:
1. ??????? ??????? ??????? ???????? ??????? ? ??? ?? ??????? ??????????, ??? ?????? ???????? ?????? ????????.
2. ????????? ????? ????? ? ????????? ???? ????? ????? ??? ????????? ???????, ? ???? ???? ?? ???????????????.
3. ? ????????? ???? ?????????? ?????????? ??? ? ????? ??????, ????? ????????? ???????????? ??????????, ? ????? ???? ??? ????????? ??????? ?????? ?????????, ??? ?????? ????????? ????????.
?? ???? ?????? ?????????? ? ??? ??????? ????????? ??????? ?? ?????, ?? ? ?? ????? ???????.
4. ??????? ? ??????? ????????? (??? ??????? ? ????????) ?????? ????????? ?????????? ? ?????????:
Java ? ?????? ?? ???? jvm ? midp; ????????? .net (? ???????? ?????????? mono); Erlang; Parrot - Perl6 ? Python
5. ????? ????????? ?? ????? ?????? ???? ??????????? ??????? Java (jvm); ?????? mono ????????? ???? ????????????????? ?????? ????? ???? ?????? ????, ??????? ???????? ???????? ? mono ???; erlang ??????, ? ??????????? ????? ?? ??? ??????, ?? ??? Erlang ?? ????? ????????????? ???? ? ?????? ??????? ?? ?????????? Erlang ??? ?? ??????????.
??, ????????? ??? ????????, ??? ?????????? ?????????? ????? Parrot ????????.
??????? ???? ?????? ???. ?????, ????? ???????????? ;)

??????, ????? ????????? Java, ? C/C++ ?????????? ? ?????????? ??? ?????? ???????????? ????? ????, ? ??? ?????? C/C++?

16.08.10, 17:03, "Igor nevermind" <igor.bliss at gmail.com>:
> ????????, ???????? ????, ??? ?????? ? ?????????????? ????? ? ??????. ????? ?????????? ?? ??, ??? ??????? ?????? ??? ?????????? ?????. ?????????? ?? ????, ?? ???? ??????????? ?????? ??????, ??????? ??? ????? ???? ??????? ?????? ???? ?????????? ????? ??? ??????????? ??????? ???? ? ??????????-- IBM, ?????? ? ? ?, (? ??? ????????? ?????????? ? ?????? ????? -- ??? ??????? ?????? ?? ???????, ? ??????? ??????? ???????? ?? ??? ???? ? ??????? ??? ?? ?? ?????? ??????????). ? ?????, ????? ????? ???? ?? ?????????
> 
> 16 ??????? 2010 ?. 15:55 ???????????? Denis Zhdanov <denis.zhdanov at gmail.com> ???????:
> > 16 ??????? 2010 ?. 15:34 ???????????? Igor nevermind
> > <igor.bliss at gmail.com> ???????:
> > > ? ?????? ????? ????? ?????? ??? ??????. ????? ????? ??? ???? ??????? ??
> > > ????-?????? ????????????? ? ?????????????????, ??? ??? ????????? ? ???? --
> > > ?????? ??? ????? ??????????? ?? ??? ???? ?????? ???????. ????? ??????????!
> > 
> > ??? ?????? ?????? ???? ????? ????? ? ??????. ? ?????????? ??????? -
> > ????. ???? ??? ???????? ??????????? ???? ?????? - ? ????? ??? ??????
> > ???? ? ???? ?????? ????? ????????????? ?? ???? ? ???????? ??????? ??
> > ??? ?????????? ??????? ? ????????? ???? license fee ?? ?????.
> > "?????? ???????, ?????? ??????", ??? ??? ???????.
> > 
> 


From denis.zhdanov at gmail.com  Mon Aug 16 06:13:05 2010
From: denis.zhdanov at gmail.com (Denis Zhdanov)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 16:13:05 +0300
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16 ??????? 2010??. 16:03 ???????????? Igor nevermind
<igor.bliss at gmail.com> ???????:
> ?????
> ?????????? ?? ??, ??? ??????? ?????? ??? ?????????? ?????.
?????? ?? ???????? ?????????? ??? ??? ???? ???? ??????????. ? ????
???? ????? ???????? Sun, ???????? ?????? ?? JIT ?????????? - ? ?????
??????? ?????? ????? (? ????? ???????? ? ??? - ???????). JIT ?? ??
?????? ? java ????????????.

>?????????? ??
> ????, ?? ???? ??????????? ?????? ??????, ??????? ??? ????? ???? ???????
> ?????? ???? ?????????? ????? ??? ??????????? ??????? ???? ? ??????????--
> IBM, ?????? ? ? ?, (? ??? ????????? ?????????? ? ?????? ????? -- ??? ???????
> ?????? ?? ???????, ? ??????? ??????? ???????? ?? ??? ???? ? ??????? ??? ??
> ?? ?????? ??????????).
?? ???? ??? ???? ?? ??????? - ???? ? USA ?? ??????? ?????????? ???????
- ??? ????? ???? ? ????? (??? ?????? ? ?? ?????????) - ?? ??? ?????
??????????? ??????. ????? ????? ? ?????? ????? ?????? ???? ???????.
????????? ????, ??? ??????????.

From igor.bliss at gmail.com  Mon Aug 16 06:03:51 2010
From: igor.bliss at gmail.com (Igor nevermind)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 16:03:51 +0300
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IFJlOiDr0sHUy8nFIMnUz8fJINfT1NLF3skgMTIu?=
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????????, ???????? ????, ??? ?????? ? ?????????????? ????? ? ??????. ?????
?????????? ?? ??, ??? ??????? ?????? ??? ?????????? ?????. ?????????? ??
????, ?? ???? ??????????? ?????? ??????, ??????? ??? ????? ???? ???????
?????? ???? ?????????? ????? ??? ??????????? ??????? ???? ? ??????????--
IBM, ?????? ? ? ?, (? ??? ????????? ?????????? ? ?????? ????? -- ??? ???????
?????? ?? ???????, ? ??????? ??????? ???????? ?? ??? ???? ? ??????? ??? ??
?? ?????? ??????????). ? ?????, ????? ????? ???? ?? ?????????

16 ??????? 2010 ?. 15:55 ???????????? Denis Zhdanov <denis.zhdanov at gmail.com
> ???????:

> 16 ??????? 2010 ?. 15:34 ???????????? Igor nevermind
> <igor.bliss at gmail.com> ???????:
> > ? ?????? ????? ????? ?????? ??? ??????. ????? ????? ??? ???? ??????? ??
> > ????-?????? ????????????? ? ?????????????????, ??? ??? ????????? ? ????
> --
> > ?????? ??? ????? ??????????? ?? ??? ???? ?????? ???????. ?????
> ??????????!
> <offtopic>
> ??? ?????? ?????? ???? ????? ????? ? ??????. ? ?????????? ??????? -
> ????. ???? ??? ???????? ??????????? ???? ?????? - ? ????? ??? ??????
> ???? ? ???? ?????? ????? ????????????? ?? ???? ? ???????? ??????? ??
> ??? ?????????? ??????? ? ????????? ???? license fee ??  ?????.
> "?????? ???????, ?????? ??????", ??? ??? ???????.
> </offtopic>
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From denis.zhdanov at gmail.com  Mon Aug 16 05:55:57 2010
From: denis.zhdanov at gmail.com (Denis Zhdanov)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 15:55:57 +0300
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16 ??????? 2010??. 15:34 ???????????? Igor nevermind
<igor.bliss at gmail.com> ???????:
> ? ?????? ????? ????? ?????? ??? ??????. ????? ????? ??? ???? ??????? ??
> ????-?????? ????????????? ? ?????????????????, ??? ??? ????????? ? ???? --
> ?????? ??? ????? ??????????? ?? ??? ???? ?????? ???????. ????? ??????????!
<offtopic>
??? ?????? ?????? ???? ????? ????? ? ??????. ? ?????????? ??????? -
????. ???? ??? ???????? ??????????? ???? ?????? - ? ????? ??? ??????
???? ? ???? ?????? ????? ????????????? ?? ???? ? ???????? ??????? ??
??? ?????????? ??????? ? ????????? ???? license fee ??  ?????.
"?????? ???????, ?????? ??????", ??? ??? ???????.
</offtopic>

From igor.bliss at gmail.com  Mon Aug 16 05:55:14 2010
From: igor.bliss at gmail.com (Igor nevermind)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 15:55:14 +0300
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????????, ??? ? ????????? ??????????. ?? ?????? BOSH -- ????? ???????? (
http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0124.html,
http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0206.html) ?, ????????, ????? ?????
?????????????? ???????????? ??????????. ???? ?? ??????, ??? ?? ?????????,
??? ?????? ???????? ???????? ?? ?????, ?????? ? ?????? ???????. ? ??? ?????
???? ?? ????????? ????????? ? ???? ?? ????????? -- ??? ?????, ??? ???????? ?
???? ????? ????? ????. ?? ? ???????? XMPP ?????? ??????? (djabberd)

16 ??????? 2010 ?. 15:40 ???????????? Konstantin Cherednichenko <
dshadowukraine at gmail.com> ???????:

> ? ???? ???????? BOSH ?????? ?? WebSockets?
>
> 2010/8/16 Igor nevermind <igor.bliss at gmail.com>
>
> ? ?????? ????? ????? ?????? ??? ??????. ????? ????? ??? ???? ??????? ??
>> ????-?????? ????????????? ? ?????????????????, ??? ??? ????????? ? ???? --
>> ?????? ??? ????? ??????????? ?? ??? ???? ?????? ???????. ????? ??????????!
>> ? BOSH ?????? -- ??? ???????? ???????? ??? XMPP (???????) ???????, ???????
>> ????????? ???????? ? ????????? ????? HTTP.
>> ??? ?????????? ?????? ???????? ??????????????? ?? ?????, ???????? (????,
>> ?????????? ?????????, ?????? ???? ? ?????? ??????)
>>
>> 16 ??????? 2010 ?. 14:57 ???????????? Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru>???????:
>>
>>> 16.08.10, 11:06, "Igor nevermind" <igor.bliss at gmail.com>:
>>> > ? ?????, ? ??? (? ??????, ????????????? ?? Perl) ?? ??? ??? ???????????
>>> BOSH ?????? (? ??????????? ??? ?????????? Punjab). ???-?? ???? ??????, ??
>>>
>>> ????????, ? ??????? ?? ? ????, ? ????? ????? BOSH ???????
>>>
>>> ? ?????? ????????-?? ???????? ? ???? ????? ?????? ?? ???????????
>>> ????????? ?????? ? ????? ?? ????? ???????.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Konstantin Cherednichenko
> KC439-RIPE, KC96-UANIC
>
>
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From dshadowukraine at gmail.com  Mon Aug 16 05:40:14 2010
From: dshadowukraine at gmail.com (Konstantin Cherednichenko)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 15:40:14 +0300
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? ???? ???????? BOSH ?????? ?? WebSockets?

2010/8/16 Igor nevermind <igor.bliss at gmail.com>

> ? ?????? ????? ????? ?????? ??? ??????. ????? ????? ??? ???? ??????? ??
> ????-?????? ????????????? ? ?????????????????, ??? ??? ????????? ? ???? --
> ?????? ??? ????? ??????????? ?? ??? ???? ?????? ???????. ????? ??????????!
> ? BOSH ?????? -- ??? ???????? ???????? ??? XMPP (???????) ???????, ???????
> ????????? ???????? ? ????????? ????? HTTP.
> ??? ?????????? ?????? ???????? ??????????????? ?? ?????, ???????? (????,
> ?????????? ?????????, ?????? ???? ? ?????? ??????)
>
> 16 ??????? 2010 ?. 14:57 ???????????? Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru>???????:
>
>> 16.08.10, 11:06, "Igor nevermind" <igor.bliss at gmail.com>:
>> > ? ?????, ? ??? (? ??????, ????????????? ?? Perl) ?? ??? ??? ???????????
>> BOSH ?????? (? ??????????? ??? ?????????? Punjab). ???-?? ???? ??????, ??
>>
>> ????????, ? ??????? ?? ? ????, ? ????? ????? BOSH ???????
>>
>> ? ?????? ????????-?? ???????? ? ???? ????? ?????? ?? ??????????? ?????????
>> ?????? ? ????? ?? ????? ???????.
>>
>
>


-- 
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From igor.bliss at gmail.com  Mon Aug 16 05:34:56 2010
From: igor.bliss at gmail.com (Igor nevermind)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 15:34:56 +0300
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? ?????? ????? ????? ?????? ??? ??????. ????? ????? ??? ???? ??????? ??
????-?????? ????????????? ? ?????????????????, ??? ??? ????????? ? ???? --
?????? ??? ????? ??????????? ?? ??? ???? ?????? ???????. ????? ??????????!
? BOSH ?????? -- ??? ???????? ???????? ??? XMPP (???????) ???????, ???????
????????? ???????? ? ????????? ????? HTTP.
??? ?????????? ?????? ???????? ??????????????? ?? ?????, ???????? (????,
?????????? ?????????, ?????? ???? ? ?????? ??????)

16 ??????? 2010 ?. 14:57 ???????????? Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru>???????:

> 16.08.10, 11:06, "Igor nevermind" <igor.bliss at gmail.com>:
> > ? ?????, ? ??? (? ??????, ????????????? ?? Perl) ?? ??? ??? ???????????
> BOSH ?????? (? ??????????? ??? ?????????? Punjab). ???-?? ???? ??????, ??
>
> ????????, ? ??????? ?? ? ????, ? ????? ????? BOSH ???????
>
> ? ?????? ????????-?? ???????? ? ???? ????? ?????? ?? ??????????? ?????????
> ?????? ? ????? ?? ????? ???????.
>
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From simne at yandex.ru  Mon Aug 16 04:57:03 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 15:57:03 +0400
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16.08.10, 11:06, "Igor nevermind" <igor.bliss at gmail.com>:
> ? ?????, ? ??? (? ??????, ????????????? ?? Perl) ?? ??? ??? ??????????? BOSH ?????? (? ??????????? ??? ?????????? Punjab). ???-?? ???? ??????, ??

????????, ? ??????? ?? ? ????, ? ????? ????? BOSH ???????

? ?????? ????????-?? ???????? ? ???? ????? ?????? ?? ??????????? ????????? ?????? ? ????? ?? ????? ???????.


From igor.bliss at gmail.com  Mon Aug 16 00:06:24 2010
From: igor.bliss at gmail.com (Igor nevermind)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 10:06:24 +0300
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IOvSwdTLycUgydTPx8kg19PU0sXeySAxMi4wOC4y?=
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?? ?? ??. ??? ???????? ? ???? -- ????? ?????. ?? ??????? ?????????
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???????? ? ?????????????? ????????? ? ???????????. ??????? -- ????, jQuery
??? Prototype. ???????? ??????? Ajax-???????. ???????? ??????? ?????????
???? -- ??? ? ???? ?????? ?????????? ???????????? ????? ????, HTML::FormFu
-- ????????????? ?????, ?? ?????????? ???????????: ?????????? ???? ??????.
????? ???? ??????! ???????? ???????? ????????? -- ?? ????? ???? ???? -- ??
???????-??????????? ??? ??????? ??????-???? ??????? (? ??? ????? ? ?????) ??
??????? ? ???????????? ??????. ???????? ?????? ? ??????????? ?????? ? ??????
???????? ??? ????. ???????, ??? DBIx::Class ?????????, ??, ????, ??? ?? ?
??? ??????? ???? ?????. ?? ??? ??????? ???? -- ? ???? ? ????????? ???
????????????, ?? ??? ??? ?? ???? ????????? ??? ???????????? ?????????.
??????????????????? -- ????? ???? ????? ? ??????? ???????
? ?????, ? ??? (? ??????, ????????????? ?? Perl) ?? ??? ??? ??????????? BOSH
?????? (? ??????????? ??? ?????????? Punjab). ???-?? ???? ??????, ?? ?
?????? ???? ?????????? ? AnyEvent (??? ???? ???????? ? POE)

15 ??????? 2010 ?. 12:55 ???????????? Serg V. Gulko
<s.gulko at kiev.pm.org>???????:

>  ?, ???????, ???????? ? ??????? ? ????? ???????? ????? ???????????.
>
> 1. ?????? ? ??????, ??? ???? ?? ??????? ????????? ?? ????????
> ????-??????????? ? ???????
> 2. ? ???????? ???????????? ?????? ?? Catalyst, I18N ? dojo.
>
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From s.gulko at kiev.pm.org  Sun Aug 15 06:15:39 2010
From: s.gulko at kiev.pm.org (Serg V. Gulko)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 16:15:39 +0300
Subject: =?koi8-r?Q?=EB=D2=C1=D4=CB=C9=C5?=
 =?koi8-r?Q?_=C9=D4=CF=C7=C9?= =?koi8-r?Q?_=D7=D3=D4=D2=C5=DE=C9?= 12.08.2010
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??, ??? ???, ???????:)

? ???, 15/08/2010 ? 15:39 +0400, ??????? ???????? ?????:
> I18N - ??? ??? ???????????????

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From: podwar2008 at gmail.com (=?KOI8-R?B?5dfHxc7JyiDy1cTexc7Lzw==?=)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 16:00:01 +0400
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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 15:39:15 +0400
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From s.gulko at kiev.pm.org  Sun Aug 15 02:55:49 2010
From: s.gulko at kiev.pm.org (Serg V. Gulko)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 12:55:49 +0300
Subject: =?koi8-r?Q?=EB=D2=C1=D4=CB=C9=C5?= =?koi8-r?Q?_=C9=D4=CF=C7=C9?=
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?, ???????, ???????? ? ??????? ? ????? ???????? ????? ???????????. 

1. ?????? ? ??????, ??? ???? ?? ??????? ????????? ?? ????????
????-??????????? ? ???????
2. ? ???????? ???????????? ?????? ?? Catalyst, I18N ? dojo.
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From s.gulko at kiev.pm.org  Mon Aug 16 01:16:52 2010
From: s.gulko at kiev.pm.org (Serg V. Gulko)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 11:16:52 +0300
Subject: Oracle =?koi8-r?Q?=D0=CF=C4=C1=A3=D4?= =?koi8-r?Q?_=C9=D3=CB?=
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References: <484981281914673@web130.yandex.ru>
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? ?????, ??? ???? ????? ????? ?????????? ????????? ? Perl ? ???????
??????????? ?? LOR, OpenNet ? ?.?.

? ???, 16/08/2010 ? 03:24 +0400, Sergeev Serge ?????:

> ????
> http://www.opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=27610
> 
> ?????????, ??? ????????? ???????? ?????? ? ??????
> 
> ???????: ????? ??????? ????? Rakudo star.


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From: notformat at gmail.com (=?KOI8-R?B?5dfHxc7JyiDrwdLQxc7Lzw==?=)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 10:00:31 +0400
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?? ? ??? ????? ????? ????? ??? ???? ?? ????(((

16 ??????? 2010 ?. 9:59 ???????????? vti <viacheslav.t at gmail.com> ???????:

> ? ?????????? ??? ?????????? ???????? ??? ????.
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From viacheslav.t at gmail.com  Sun Aug 15 22:59:05 2010
From: viacheslav.t at gmail.com (vti)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 08:59:05 +0300
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? ?????????? ??? ?????????? ???????? ??? ????.

From notformat at gmail.com  Sun Aug 15 22:54:18 2010
From: notformat at gmail.com (=?KOI8-R?B?5dfHxc7JyiDrwdLQxc7Lzw==?=)
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16 ??????? 2010 ?. 3:24 ???????????? Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru>???????:

> ????
> http://www.opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=27610
>
> ?????????, ??? ????????? ???????? ?????? ? ??????
>
> ???????: ????? ??????? ????? Rakudo star.
>

??? ?????? ????? ????? Oracle ? Sun, ??? ?????? ????? ????????? ?? jdk jre.

?? ? ?????? ??? ?????? ? ??? ? ?? ?????, ??? ?? ??? ??????? - ????????? ???
???????)))

?? ??? ???? ?? ???? ??? ??? Google Apps, ??? ???? ?? ?????? ??????
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From simne at yandex.ru  Sun Aug 15 16:24:33 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 03:24:33 +0400
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?T3JhY2xlINDPxMGj1CDJ08sgzsEgR29vZ2xlINrBIMnT0M/M2NrP18HOycUg1MXIzs/Mz8fJyiBKYXZh?=
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????
http://www.opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=27610

?????????, ??? ????????? ???????? ?????? ? ??????

???????: ????? ??????? ????? Rakudo star.


From notformat at gmail.com  Sun Aug 22 13:12:56 2010
From: notformat at gmail.com (=?KOI8-R?B?5dfHxc7JyiDrwdLQxc7Lzw==?=)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 00:12:56 +0400
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???, ?? ????? ???????? ???? ?? ????? ???????)))

22 ??????? 2010 ?. 19:21 ???????????? Nab <nab at ukr.net> ???????:

> 18.08.10 ? 23:16 Dmitry Zhariy ? ????? ?????? ?????(?):
>
>
>  ???? ? Gmal ?? ????? ?? ?????? "Report Spam".
>> ??? ???? ??? ??????????? :)
>>
>>  ????? ??? ?? ? ????, ??????? ??? ?????? ????? ?????? :)
>
> ? ???? ???? ? ???? ????, ??????????? ??????? ;)
>
>
> --
> ? ?????????, ??????? aka Nab.
>



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Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:21:05 +0300
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18.08.10 ? 23:16 Dmitry Zhariy ? ????? ?????? ?????(?):

> ???? ? Gmal ?? ????? ?? ?????? "Report Spam".
> ??? ???? ??? ??????????? :)
>
????? ??? ?? ? ????, ??????? ??? ?????? ????? ?????? :)

? ???? ???? ? ???? ????, ??????????? ??????? ;)

-- 
? ?????????, ??????? aka Nab.


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?? ??????? ?? ??? ??????

19 ??????? 2010 ?. 15:44 ???????????? Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru>???????:

> ???????? ? ???..
> ??? ????????: "??????? ????????? ????? ?? ??????????? ??-?? ??????"
> ???? ???????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ??????????? - ??? ??? ??? ??????????
> ??? ??????????? ???????? ???????? ??????..
>
> 19.08.10, 00:16, "Dmitry Zhariy" <dzhariy at gmail.com>:
> > ???? ? Gmal ?? ????? ?? ?????? "Report Spam".
> > ??? ???? ??? ??????????? :)
> >
> > 2010/8/18 Nab <nab at ukr.net>
> > > ???? ??????!
> > >
> > > ? ???? ??? ???? ?????? ?????? ????????? ?? ??? ?????? ??????:
> > > http://www.onhop.ca/catalog/product/10467174
> > >
> > > ?????, ???????? ?? ??????, ???????? ????? ?????? ?????? ? ????????
> ???????????? ??????, ?? ??? ????? ????? ??? ????? ?????? ??? ????, ??
> ???????? ?????????? ??????. ???????? ???. ????? ?? ??? ???????? ?? 2003
> ?????? ??????????.
> > >
> > > ???? ??????? ?? ?????, ??? ??????? ??????? ???? :)
> > >
> > > ???? ????????? ???????? ?? ??????? ? ???? ??? ??? ????????.
>



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From simne at yandex.ru  Thu Aug 19 04:44:54 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 15:44:54 +0400
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???????? ? ???..
??? ????????: "??????? ????????? ????? ?? ??????????? ??-?? ??????"
???? ???????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ??????????? - ??? ??? ??? ?????????? ??? ??????????? ???????? ???????? ??????..

19.08.10, 00:16, "Dmitry Zhariy" <dzhariy at gmail.com>:
> ???? ? Gmal ?? ????? ?? ?????? "Report Spam".
> ??? ???? ??? ??????????? :)
> 
> 2010/8/18 Nab <nab at ukr.net>
> > ???? ??????!
> > 
> > ? ???? ??? ???? ?????? ?????? ????????? ?? ??? ?????? ??????:
> > http://www.onhop.ca/catalog/product/10467174
> > 
> > ?????, ???????? ?? ??????, ???????? ????? ?????? ?????? ? ???????? ???????????? ??????, ?? ??? ????? ????? ??? ????? ?????? ??? ????, ?? ???????? ?????????? ??????. ???????? ???. ????? ?? ??? ???????? ?? 2003 ?????? ??????????.
> > 
> > ???? ??????? ?? ?????, ??? ??????? ??????? ???? :)
> > 
> > ???? ????????? ???????? ?? ??????? ? ???? ??? ??? ????????.


From dzhariy at gmail.com  Wed Aug 18 13:16:22 2010
From: dzhariy at gmail.com (Dmitry Zhariy)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:16:22 -0400
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???? ? Gmal ?? ????? ?? ?????? "Report Spam".
??? ???? ??? ??????????? :)

2010/8/18 Nab <nab at ukr.net>

> ???? ??????!
>
> ? ???? ??? ???? ?????? ?????? ????????? ?? ??? ?????? ??????:
> http://www.onhop.ca/catalog/product/10467174
>
> ?????, ???????? ?? ??????, ???????? ????? ?????? ?????? ? ????????
> ???????????? ??????, ?? ??? ????? ????? ??? ????? ?????? ??? ????, ??
> ???????? ?????????? ??????. ???????? ???. ????? ?? ??? ???????? ?? 2003
> ?????? ??????????.
>
> ???? ??????? ?? ?????, ??? ??????? ??????? ???? :)
>
> ???? ????????? ???????? ?? ??????? ? ???? ??? ??? ????????.
>
> --
> ? ?????????, ??????? aka Nab.
>



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From: nab at ukr.net (Nab)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 20:26:20 +0300
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???? ??????!

? ???? ??? ???? ?????? ?????? ????????? ?? ??? ?????? ??????:
http://www.onhop.ca/catalog/product/10467174

?????, ???????? ?? ??????, ???????? ????? ?????? ?????? ? ????????  
???????????? ??????, ?? ??? ????? ????? ??? ????? ?????? ??? ????, ??  
???????? ?????????? ??????. ???????? ???. ????? ?? ??? ???????? ?? 2003  
?????? ??????????.

???? ??????? ?? ?????, ??? ??????? ??????? ???? :)

???? ????????? ???????? ?? ??????? ? ???? ??? ??? ????????.

-- 
? ?????????, ??????? aka Nab.


From notformat at gmail.com  Sun Aug 22 13:20:21 2010
From: notformat at gmail.com (=?KOI8-R?B?5dfHxc7JyiDrwdLQxc7Lzw==?=)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 00:20:21 +0400
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http://www.interesno.dn.ua/interesting-photo/interesting-all-photo/97-city
<http://www.interesno.dn.ua/interesting-photo/interesting-all-photo/97-city>???
??? ???????? ?? ???? ??????. ????? ???????.

22 ??????? 2010 ?. 0:50 ???????????? Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru>???????:

> 22.08.10, 07:02, "Serg Gulko" <s.gulko at kiev.pm.org>:
> > ??
>
> ?? ?????? ??????
>
> ? ??? ?????? ??????? ????? ??????????? :)
>
> ??? ????????: ? ?????? ?????, ????????? ???????? ? ??????????, ? ???
> ???????? ???????, ???? ???? - ????-?? ?? ???????? ??????.
> ?? ? ?????? ????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ????? ?????????? ?????? ? ???
> ??????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ? ??? ? ????????? ???????????, ?? ??? ????????
> ? ??????????, ????? ?? ???????????
>



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From simne at yandex.ru  Sat Aug 21 13:50:13 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 00:50:13 +0400
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?UmU6IFJlOiDLwcsgxMXMwcXU09EgydPUz9LJ0Q==?=
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22.08.10, 07:02, "Serg Gulko" <s.gulko at kiev.pm.org>:
> ??

?? ?????? ??????

? ??? ?????? ??????? ????? ??????????? :)

??? ????????: ? ?????? ?????, ????????? ???????? ? ??????????, ? ??? ???????? ???????, ???? ???? - ????-?? ?? ???????? ??????.
?? ? ?????? ????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ????? ?????????? ?????? ? ??? ??????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ? ??? ? ????????? ???????????, ?? ??? ???????? ? ??????????, ????? ?? ???????????


From s.gulko at kiev.pm.org  Sat Aug 21 20:02:53 2010
From: s.gulko at kiev.pm.org (Serg Gulko)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 23:02:53 -0400
Subject: =?koi8-r?Q?=CB=C1=CB?= =?koi8-r?Q?_=C4=C5=CC=C1=C5=D4=D3=D1?=
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??
? ???, 21/08/2010 ? 21:53 +0400, Sergeev Serge ?????: 
> ?????? ??????? ????? ? ??? ???? ?????? ? ??????? ?? ????? ?????? ?????? ????? ?? ????? ???????? ????? ????? ??????? ? ???????? ?????. ?????? ????????? 6 ??????? 1945 ???? ? ????????? ????????, ?? ??????? ? ???? ???? ???? ???????? ??????? ?????.
> http://gostart.ru/020.html
> http://www.dp.ru/Default2.aspx?ArticleID=47662994-16ff-41dd-ae0c-29829d002ddf&open=sec&RubricID=06743838-72db-4a9d-a69a-cc7a2d5d0571
> http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%B1%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B1%D1%8B




From simne at yandex.ru  Sat Aug 21 10:53:56 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 21:53:56 +0400
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?y8HLIMTFzMHF1NPRIMnT1M/SydE=?=
Message-ID: <129471282413237@web78.yandex.ru>


?????? ??????? ????? ? ??? ???? ?????? ? ??????? ?? ????? ?????? ?????? ????? ?? ????? ???????? ????? ????? ??????? ? ???????? ?????. ?????? ????????? 6 ??????? 1945 ???? ? ????????? ????????, ?? ??????? ? ???? ???? ???? ???????? ??????? ?????.
http://gostart.ru/020.html
http://www.dp.ru/Default2.aspx?ArticleID=47662994-16ff-41dd-ae0c-29829d002ddf&open=sec&RubricID=06743838-72db-4a9d-a69a-cc7a2d5d0571
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%B1%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B1%D1%8B


From agnislav at gmail.com  Sat Aug 28 06:14:51 2010
From: agnislav at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JDQs9C90LjRgdC70LDQsiDQntC90YPRhNGA0LjQudGH0YPQug==?=)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 16:14:51 +0300
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DirectAdmin ???? ????. ? DA+cPanel ~= 50%+ ????? ????????.

28 ??????? 2010??. 15:00 ???????????? Denis Zhdanov
<denis.zhdanov at gmail.com> ???????:
> ?? ?? ????? ?????????????????? ?????? cPanel ???? API ??? ????????? ????????.
> ? ??? ?????????? ?????? ? ?? ???????? ??? ?? ?? ?? ??????? - ???????
> ????? ??? ?????? ?????? ?? ?????...
>
>
> 27 ??????? 2010??. 22:35 ???????????? ???????? ??????????
> <agnislav at gmail.com> ???????:
>> ?????? ???. CPanel, DirectAdmin, ISPManager, Plesk - ??? ?????? ?????.
>>
>> 27 ??????? 2010??. 18:46 ???????????? Denis Zhdanov
>> <denis.zhdanov at gmail.com> ???????:
>>> ? ??? ???? "??????????? ??????????? ???????"? cpanel ? ??? ? ?????
>>>
>>> 27 ??????? 2010??. 17:49 ???????????? ???????? ??????????
>>> <agnislav at gmail.com> ???????:
>>>> ?????? ???. ?? ??????? ?????? ??? "? ????", ?? ????????? ???????????
>>>> ??????????? ???????. ? ??? ?????? ????.
>>>>
>>>> 27 ??????? 2010??. 17:45 ???????????? Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru> ???????:
>>>>> ?? ???????, ?? ??? ????? ??????? ??? ????? ??????????
>>>>>
>>>>> 27.08.10, 16:26, "???????? ??????????" <agnislav at gmail.com>:
>>>>>> ?????. ?? ??? ?????????????? ???????? ?? 95% ??????????? ????????.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?27 ??????? 2010 ?. 15:24 ???????????? Sergeev Serge ????????:
>>>>>> ?> ? ?? ?????, ? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ???????
>>>>>> ?> ????? ?????? ??-?? ????? ?????? ? ??????????? ???????? ????????
>>>>>> ?>
>>>>>> ?> 27.08.10, 14:07, "???????? ??????????" :
>>>>>> ?>> ????, ??? ?????????? ????????? ?????????...
>>>>>> ?>>
>>>>>> ?>> ?27 ??????? 2010 ?. 12:56 ???????????? Alex Varyanick ????????:
>>>>>> ?>> ?> ???? ???? ??? ?? ??????, ??? ??????? ????? ???-?? ????????:
>>>>>> ?>> ?> http://use.perl.org/~jozef/journal/40465?from=rss
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

From denis.zhdanov at gmail.com  Sat Aug 28 05:00:30 2010
From: denis.zhdanov at gmail.com (Denis Zhdanov)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 15:00:30 +0300
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IFJlOiBSZTog6M/T1MnOxw==?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=x6ByuTNmNA3qLx8NyBAwac4e9XxXUR0nDzyUe@mail.gmail.com>
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?? ?? ????? ?????????????????? ?????? cPanel ???? API ??? ????????? ????????.
? ??? ?????????? ?????? ? ?? ???????? ??? ?? ?? ?? ??????? - ???????
????? ??? ?????? ?????? ?? ?????...


27 ??????? 2010??. 22:35 ???????????? ???????? ??????????
<agnislav at gmail.com> ???????:
> ?????? ???. CPanel, DirectAdmin, ISPManager, Plesk - ??? ?????? ?????.
>
> 27 ??????? 2010??. 18:46 ???????????? Denis Zhdanov
> <denis.zhdanov at gmail.com> ???????:
>> ? ??? ???? "??????????? ??????????? ???????"? cpanel ? ??? ? ?????
>>
>> 27 ??????? 2010??. 17:49 ???????????? ???????? ??????????
>> <agnislav at gmail.com> ???????:
>>> ?????? ???. ?? ??????? ?????? ??? "? ????", ?? ????????? ???????????
>>> ??????????? ???????. ? ??? ?????? ????.
>>>
>>> 27 ??????? 2010??. 17:45 ???????????? Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru> ???????:
>>>> ?? ???????, ?? ??? ????? ??????? ??? ????? ??????????
>>>>
>>>> 27.08.10, 16:26, "???????? ??????????" <agnislav at gmail.com>:
>>>>> ?????. ?? ??? ?????????????? ???????? ?? 95% ??????????? ????????.
>>>>>
>>>>> ?27 ??????? 2010 ?. 15:24 ???????????? Sergeev Serge ????????:
>>>>> ?> ? ?? ?????, ? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ???????
>>>>> ?> ????? ?????? ??-?? ????? ?????? ? ??????????? ???????? ????????
>>>>> ?>
>>>>> ?> 27.08.10, 14:07, "???????? ??????????" :
>>>>> ?>> ????, ??? ?????????? ????????? ?????????...
>>>>> ?>>
>>>>> ?>> ?27 ??????? 2010 ?. 12:56 ???????????? Alex Varyanick ????????:
>>>>> ?>> ?> ???? ???? ??? ?? ??????, ??? ??????? ????? ???-?? ????????:
>>>>> ?>> ?> http://use.perl.org/~jozef/journal/40465?from=rss
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

From agnislav at gmail.com  Fri Aug 27 12:35:38 2010
From: agnislav at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JDQs9C90LjRgdC70LDQsiDQntC90YPRhNGA0LjQudGH0YPQug==?=)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 22:35:38 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IFJlOiBSZTog0KXQvtGB0YLQuNC90LM=?=
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?????? ???. CPanel, DirectAdmin, ISPManager, Plesk - ??? ?????? ?????.

27 ??????? 2010??. 18:46 ???????????? Denis Zhdanov
<denis.zhdanov at gmail.com> ???????:
> ? ??? ???? "??????????? ??????????? ???????"? cpanel ? ??? ? ?????
>
> 27 ??????? 2010??. 17:49 ???????????? ???????? ??????????
> <agnislav at gmail.com> ???????:
>> ?????? ???. ?? ??????? ?????? ??? "? ????", ?? ????????? ???????????
>> ??????????? ???????. ? ??? ?????? ????.
>>
>> 27 ??????? 2010??. 17:45 ???????????? Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru> ???????:
>>> ?? ???????, ?? ??? ????? ??????? ??? ????? ??????????
>>>
>>> 27.08.10, 16:26, "???????? ??????????" <agnislav at gmail.com>:
>>>> ?????. ?? ??? ?????????????? ???????? ?? 95% ??????????? ????????.
>>>>
>>>> ?27 ??????? 2010 ?. 15:24 ???????????? Sergeev Serge ????????:
>>>> ?> ? ?? ?????, ? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ???????
>>>> ?> ????? ?????? ??-?? ????? ?????? ? ??????????? ???????? ????????
>>>> ?>
>>>> ?> 27.08.10, 14:07, "???????? ??????????" :
>>>> ?>> ????, ??? ?????????? ????????? ?????????...
>>>> ?>>
>>>> ?>> ?27 ??????? 2010 ?. 12:56 ???????????? Alex Varyanick ????????:
>>>> ?>> ?> ???? ???? ??? ?? ??????, ??? ??????? ????? ???-?? ????????:
>>>> ?>> ?> http://use.perl.org/~jozef/journal/40465?from=rss
>>>
>>
>

From denis.zhdanov at gmail.com  Fri Aug 27 08:46:23 2010
From: denis.zhdanov at gmail.com (Denis Zhdanov)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 18:46:23 +0300
Subject: =?KOI8-R?B?UmU6IFJlOiBSZTog6M/T1MnOxw==?=
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? ??? ???? "??????????? ??????????? ???????"? cpanel ? ??? ? ?????

27 ??????? 2010??. 17:49 ???????????? ???????? ??????????
<agnislav at gmail.com> ???????:
> ?????? ???. ?? ??????? ?????? ??? "? ????", ?? ????????? ???????????
> ??????????? ???????. ? ??? ?????? ????.
>
> 27 ??????? 2010??. 17:45 ???????????? Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru> ???????:
>> ?? ???????, ?? ??? ????? ??????? ??? ????? ??????????
>>
>> 27.08.10, 16:26, "???????? ??????????" <agnislav at gmail.com>:
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>>> ?27 ??????? 2010 ?. 15:24 ???????????? Sergeev Serge ????????:
>>> ?> ? ?? ?????, ? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ???????
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>>> ?> 27.08.10, 14:07, "???????? ??????????" :
>>> ?>> ????, ??? ?????????? ????????? ?????????...
>>> ?>>
>>> ?>> ?27 ??????? 2010 ?. 12:56 ???????????? Alex Varyanick ????????:
>>> ?>> ?> ???? ???? ??? ?? ??????, ??? ??????? ????? ???-?? ????????:
>>> ?>> ?> http://use.perl.org/~jozef/journal/40465?from=rss
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>

From agnislav at gmail.com  Fri Aug 27 07:49:21 2010
From: agnislav at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JDQs9C90LjRgdC70LDQsiDQntC90YPRhNGA0LjQudGH0YPQug==?=)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 17:49:21 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IFJlOiBSZTog0KXQvtGB0YLQuNC90LM=?=
In-Reply-To: <392431282920309@web79.yandex.ru>
References: <AANLkTinbXQCmkrLbYOtKk2UpQHY0=Vytr_JV+JJ6We4z@mail.gmail.com>
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?????? ???. ?? ??????? ?????? ??? "? ????", ?? ????????? ???????????
??????????? ???????. ? ??? ?????? ????.

27 ??????? 2010??. 17:45 ???????????? Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru> ???????:
> ?? ???????, ?? ??? ????? ??????? ??? ????? ??????????
>
> 27.08.10, 16:26, "???????? ??????????" <agnislav at gmail.com>:
>> ?????. ?? ??? ?????????????? ???????? ?? 95% ??????????? ????????.
>>
>> ?27 ??????? 2010 ?. 15:24 ???????????? Sergeev Serge ????????:
>> ?> ? ?? ?????, ? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ???????
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>> ?>
>> ?> 27.08.10, 14:07, "???????? ??????????" :
>> ?>> ????, ??? ?????????? ????????? ?????????...
>> ?>>
>> ?>> ?27 ??????? 2010 ?. 12:56 ???????????? Alex Varyanick ????????:
>> ?>> ?> ???? ???? ??? ?? ??????, ??? ??????? ????? ???-?? ????????:
>> ?>> ?> http://use.perl.org/~jozef/journal/40465?from=rss
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From simne at yandex.ru  Fri Aug 27 07:45:09 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 18:45:09 +0400
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?UmU6IFJlOiBSZTog6M/T1MnOxw==?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinf9vT5khW3P_nVRKtbVo+i5uxEgTtFSqvYfj8i@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinbXQCmkrLbYOtKk2UpQHY0=Vytr_JV+JJ6We4z@mail.gmail.com> <AANLkTim96SYw-GY1bZtwP4LGRnuXuqKcisp3s2GEbp0v@mail.gmail.com> <419671282911872@web129.yandex.ru> <AANLkTinf9vT5khW3P_nVRKtbVo+i5uxEgTtFSqvYfj8i@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <392431282920309@web79.yandex.ru>


?? ???????, ?? ??? ????? ??????? ??? ????? ??????????

27.08.10, 16:26, "???????? ??????????" <agnislav at gmail.com>:
> ?????. ?? ??? ?????????????? ???????? ?? 95% ??????????? ????????.
>  
>  27 ??????? 2010 ?. 15:24 ???????????? Sergeev Serge  ???????:
>  > ? ?? ?????, ? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ???????
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>  >
>  > 27.08.10, 14:07, "???????? ??????????" :
>  >> ????, ??? ?????????? ????????? ?????????...
>  >>
>  >>  27 ??????? 2010 ?. 12:56 ???????????? Alex Varyanick  ???????:
>  >>  > ???? ???? ??? ?? ??????, ??? ??????? ????? ???-?? ????????:
>  >>  > http://use.perl.org/~jozef/journal/40465?from=rss


From agnislav at gmail.com  Fri Aug 27 05:26:51 2010
From: agnislav at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JDQs9C90LjRgdC70LDQsiDQntC90YPRhNGA0LjQudGH0YPQug==?=)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:26:51 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IFJlOiDQpdC+0YHRgtC40L3Qsw==?=
In-Reply-To: <419671282911872@web129.yandex.ru>
References: <AANLkTinbXQCmkrLbYOtKk2UpQHY0=Vytr_JV+JJ6We4z@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <AANLkTinf9vT5khW3P_nVRKtbVo+i5uxEgTtFSqvYfj8i@mail.gmail.com>

?????. ?? ??? ?????????????? ???????? ?? 95% ??????????? ????????.

27 ??????? 2010??. 15:24 ???????????? Sergeev Serge <simne at yandex.ru> ???????:
> ? ?? ?????, ? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ???????
> ????? ?????? ??-?? ????? ?????? ? ??????????? ???????? ????????
>
> 27.08.10, 14:07, "???????? ??????????" <agnislav at gmail.com>:
>> ????, ??? ?????????? ????????? ?????????...
>>
>> ?27 ??????? 2010 ?. 12:56 ???????????? Alex Varyanick ????????:
>> ?> ???? ???? ??? ?? ??????, ??? ??????? ????? ???-?? ????????:
>> ?> http://use.perl.org/~jozef/journal/40465?from=rss
>

From simne at yandex.ru  Fri Aug 27 05:24:32 2010
From: simne at yandex.ru (Sergeev Serge)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:24:32 +0400
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?UmU6IFJlOiDoz9PUyc7H?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim96SYw-GY1bZtwP4LGRnuXuqKcisp3s2GEbp0v@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinbXQCmkrLbYOtKk2UpQHY0=Vytr_JV+JJ6We4z@mail.gmail.com> <AANLkTim96SYw-GY1bZtwP4LGRnuXuqKcisp3s2GEbp0v@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <419671282911872@web129.yandex.ru>


? ?? ?????, ? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ???????
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27.08.10, 14:07, "???????? ??????????" <agnislav at gmail.com>:
> ????, ??? ?????????? ????????? ?????????...
>  
>  27 ??????? 2010 ?. 12:56 ???????????? Alex Varyanick  ???????:
>  > ???? ???? ??? ?? ??????, ??? ??????? ????? ???-?? ????????:
>  > http://use.perl.org/~jozef/journal/40465?from=rss


From agnislav at gmail.com  Fri Aug 27 03:07:42 2010
From: agnislav at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JDQs9C90LjRgdC70LDQsiDQntC90YPRhNGA0LjQudGH0YPQug==?=)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:07:42 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6INCl0L7RgdGC0LjQvdCz?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinbXQCmkrLbYOtKk2UpQHY0=Vytr_JV+JJ6We4z@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinbXQCmkrLbYOtKk2UpQHY0=Vytr_JV+JJ6We4z@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim96SYw-GY1bZtwP4LGRnuXuqKcisp3s2GEbp0v@mail.gmail.com>

????, ??? ?????????? ????????? ?????????...

27 ??????? 2010??. 12:56 ???????????? Alex Varyanick <q at cono.org.ua> ???????:
> ???? ???? ??? ?? ??????, ??? ??????? ????? ???-?? ????????:
> http://use.perl.org/~jozef/journal/40465?from=rss
>
> --
> Varyanick I. Alex
> icq: 102 575 440
> skype: cono..
> q at cono.org.ua
>

From q at cono.org.ua  Fri Aug 27 02:56:33 2010
From: q at cono.org.ua (Alex Varyanick)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:56:33 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?0KXQvtGB0YLQuNC90LM=?=
Message-ID: <AANLkTinbXQCmkrLbYOtKk2UpQHY0=Vytr_JV+JJ6We4z@mail.gmail.com>

???? ???? ??? ?? ??????, ??? ??????? ????? ???-?? ????????:
http://use.perl.org/~jozef/journal/40465?from=rss

-- 
Varyanick I. Alex
icq: 102 575 440
skype: cono..
q at cono.org.ua

From nab at ukr.net  Sat Aug 28 08:37:23 2010
From: nab at ukr.net (Nab)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 18:37:23 +0300
Subject: Fwd: [uk-lnx] IA: OSDN Conference (Kiev, Oct 2, 2010)
In-Reply-To: <20100827074403.GA27743@osdn.org.ua>
References: <20100827074403.GA27743@osdn.org.ua>
Message-ID: <op.vh5dzyueksnr2m@nabdeb.offlne>



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-- 
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