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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:21:17 -0600
Subject: [Kc] O'Reilly imitates StackOverflow, apparently
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From mikedshelton at hotmail.com  Wed Nov  4 12:00:57 2009
From: mikedshelton at hotmail.com (mikedshelton at hotmail.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:00:57 -0800
Subject: [Kc] Vacation reply
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From popefelix at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 07:59:25 2009
From: popefelix at gmail.com (Kit Peters)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:59:25 -0600
Subject: [Kc] Contract opportunity
Message-ID: <b42465b90911060759g25fcdcc7xca5b34e2d682ba7@mail.gmail.com>

I'd go after this myself, but I'm already booked on a short-term contract.

Here's the description from Power I.T. (the recruiting agency):

Basically creating scripts to help a client pull disparate data into a time
series (as opposed to relational) database and then creating a GUI frontend
for the database so traders can access the information.  This will probably
be a 6-8 wk project with a rate of around 40-45/hr. Telecommuting is
available after the initial requirements gathering is done.

-Database-time series background

-Creation of simple statistics-maybe they have a minor in Stats or some kind
of background-know what Standard deviation is?.

-Create scripts to upload CSV and other sources of various formats into
Database

-Creation of webased front end for traders to interact with data. (collect
information on weather and add to the database in perl, mysql, whatever the
front end app)

KP
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From amoore at mooresystems.com  Mon Nov  9 15:11:36 2009
From: amoore at mooresystems.com (Andrew Moore)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 17:11:36 -0600
Subject: [Kc] November meeting tomorrow night
Message-ID: <6c70d2980911091511q2105a69ged9f74a4d46629d9@mail.gmail.com>

Hi KC.PMers -

Our regularly scheduled November meeting has snuck up on me. It's
scheduled for tomorrow night at 7pm at Barley's in Shawnee.

Is anyone interested in getting together?

-Andy

From mikedshelton at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 10 12:01:39 2009
From: mikedshelton at hotmail.com (mikedshelton at hotmail.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:01:39 -0800
Subject: [Kc] Vacation reply
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From amoore at mooresystems.com  Tue Nov 10 12:13:54 2009
From: amoore at mooresystems.com (Andrew Moore)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:13:54 -0600
Subject: [Kc] November meeting tomorrow night is CANCELLED
Message-ID: <6c70d2980911101213y615f051cxf7fab708a36830dc@mail.gmail.com>

I've only had one response, and he was expecting to be late, so let's
cancel this month's meeting.

Traditionally, we do not meet in December because everyone is so busy
anyway, so let's plan on getting together in 2010. I'll try to come up
with something interesting to kick off the new year, but suggestions
are always encouraged.

-A


On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Andrew Moore <amoore at mooresystems.com> wrote:
> Hi KC.PMers -
>
> Our regularly scheduled November meeting has snuck up on me. It's
> scheduled for tomorrow night at 7pm at Barley's in Shawnee.
>
> Is anyone interested in getting together?
>
> -Andy
>

From davidnicol at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 12:22:35 2009
From: davidnicol at gmail.com (David Nicol)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:22:35 -0600
Subject: [Kc] why "mongers?"
Message-ID: <934f64a20911131222r36d80d40tdfd9dc9267aa04b3@mail.gmail.com>

Apparently an ironmonger is, historicly, a blacksmith.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ironmongers

-- 
"In the case of an infinite collection, the question of the existence
of a choice function is problematic"

From don.ellis at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 13:37:04 2009
From: don.ellis at gmail.com (Don Ellis)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:37:04 -0600
Subject: [Kc] why "mongers?"
In-Reply-To: <934f64a20911131222r36d80d40tdfd9dc9267aa04b3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <934f64a20911131222r36d80d40tdfd9dc9267aa04b3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e33b05150911131337v3f60040fse007a8096ada8a88@mail.gmail.com>

This came up in St. Louis a couple of years ago (on perl discuss forum), but
no one mentioned this origin.

See also "warmonger", "peacemonger" (clearly derived from ironmonger).

I was aware of this origin, but never got around to mentioning it.

--Don Ellis

[How I wish the reply-to tag could be fixed to reply to
kcpm at mail.pm.orginstead of to the originator.]

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 2:22 PM, David Nicol <davidnicol at gmail.com> wrote:

> Apparently an ironmonger is, historicly, a blacksmith.
>
> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ironmongers
>
> --
> "In the case of an infinite collection, the question of the existence
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From jay at jays.net  Fri Nov 13 16:31:56 2009
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:31:56 -0600
Subject: [Kc] why "mongers?"
In-Reply-To: <e33b05150911131337v3f60040fse007a8096ada8a88@mail.gmail.com>
References: <934f64a20911131222r36d80d40tdfd9dc9267aa04b3@mail.gmail.com>
	<e33b05150911131337v3f60040fse007a8096ada8a88@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <821A2239-5203-4475-A389-BD4DBE5567D4@jays.net>

http://www.perl.com/pub/a/1999/01/foy.html


Perl Monger started as a play on PM. The initial New York user group  
was called NY.pm to make is look like a module, especially since "use  
NYpm" could be a phone number (although 212-use-NYpm) was taken. We  
figured P stood for Perl, but we couldn't figure out M, so we made it  
a regular expression: /M((o|u)ngers|aniacs)*/. Unfortunately, the  
State of New York wouldn't accept a regex as a corporation name, and  
"Monger" seemed to fit the Bedouin motif that has grown up around  
Perl, so it became the part of the name of the corporation.

The term "Perl monger" is also loosely used to described any Perl  
hacker, evangelist, or missionary. My dictionary describes a monger as  
"a dealer in a specific commodity". That certainly seems like what we  
are.


---

I don't know if I can stick that on the www.pm.org FAQ or not.  
Copyright?  -ponder-

j



From enobacon at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 17:36:26 2009
From: enobacon at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:36:26 -0800
Subject: [Kc] why "mongers?"
In-Reply-To: <821A2239-5203-4475-A389-BD4DBE5567D4@jays.net>
References: <934f64a20911131222r36d80d40tdfd9dc9267aa04b3@mail.gmail.com>
	<e33b05150911131337v3f60040fse007a8096ada8a88@mail.gmail.com>
	<821A2239-5203-4475-A389-BD4DBE5567D4@jays.net>
Message-ID: <200911131736.26682.enobacon@gmail.com>

# from Jay Hannah
# on Friday 13 November 2009 16:31:

>The term "Perl monger" is also loosely used to described any Perl ?
>hacker, evangelist, or missionary. My dictionary describes a monger as
> ? "a dealer in a specific commodity". That certainly seems like what
> we are.

Yes, also: fishmonger.  A monger is not necessarily a maker, but 
certainly a merchant/dealer/purveyor.

--Eric
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From davidnicol at gmail.com  Sat Nov 21 20:10:12 2009
From: davidnicol at gmail.com (David Nicol)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:10:12 -0600
Subject: [Kc] structured procrastination with Net::Twitter::Lite
Message-ID: <934f64a20911212010w5b0efba6k563923051650274f@mail.gmail.com>

anyone else using Net::Twitter? I have just succeeded in engineering
@HankSwap's robots to my satisfaction, including autofollow and a
periodic keyword-search-and-follow and periodic unfollow of those
followed who do not return follow.

I'm not really certain what the time frames for these things should
be, nor what the limits on automatic following based on automated
search should be, and as I understand it nobody else is either, yet.

Specifically, once my robot ("dieselshovel.pl") has unfollowed a
twitter account that did not return follow, that account ID will not
be followed again even if it re-appears in the search results, to not
be an annoyance: my question is, how long should these don't-follow
listings be maintained? Currently I'm not clearing them. A year?


-- 
"In the case of an infinite collection, the question of the existence
of a choice function is problematic"

From amoore at mooresystems.com  Sun Nov 22 07:12:25 2009
From: amoore at mooresystems.com (Andrew Moore)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:12:25 -0600
Subject: [Kc] [pm_groups] ISO location for perl/data center
In-Reply-To: <876393t1mt.fsf@quad.sysarch.com>
References: <876393t1mt.fsf@quad.sysarch.com>
Message-ID: <6c70d2980911220712k1335dc0bge27117ef79774958@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Uri -

I'd like to recommend the Kansas City area. Here are just a few of the
reasons that the Kansas City area is a good place for this type of
business:

* We have a small, but active perl community with a regularly meeting
PM group. There are a handful of companies around town that use perl
at some level or another, and we always seem to be able to hire
qualified perl hackers. Sprint tends to bring people to town, train
them, and then lay them off. Other business pick up their engineers on
the cheap.
* Kansas City has good network connectivity to the rest of the country
due to being located near the geographic center of the country and due
to the fiber that has historically been laid along the railroad lines
running through town. Heck, that was enough to convince Sprint to
locate themselves here.
* We're pretty much impervious to the types of natural disasters that
affect data centers. We don't get hurricanes, typhoons, brownouts,
earthquakes, or even noreasters. The occasional tornado is pretty much
ineffective against modern data center construction, especially if
located in the city where the heat island keeps them out. And if
you're really nuts about protection from the natural elements, we have
a huge cave industry here where tons of business is done in the KC
underground.
* Gas, rent, food, and other aspects of the cost of living are cheap
here. Salaries, too.

If you would like to hear more about the perl community in the Kansas
City area, or about the benefits of locating a business here, please
don't hesitate to contact me or the KC perl mongers
<http://kc.pm.org>. Good luck with your search!

Andrew Moore



On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 2:16 AM, Uri Guttman <uri at stemsystems.com> wrote:
>
> please forward this to your local list if you deem it appropriate.
>
> hello mongers,
>
> i have a client who has asked me an interesting question. they are in
> the discussion phase of opening a second data center for their hosting
> business. they are would like it to be west of the mississippi in the US
> but not california (too expensive) and east of there may work too. they
> are seeking a location where they could hire a small (maybe 3-6) staff
> of perl developers, but the number could grow over time. i am helping
> them with this search which is why i am bringing it to the pm
> groups. email me back if you think your area is a good fit for their
> needs. it should have an active perl community with hackers seeking work
> and decent rent and expenses for a data center. i already mentioned
> portland OR and boston. another area that works is seattle. what about
> your monger group's location? email me at uri at perlhunter.com with info
> about your perl monger group and such.
>
> thanx,
>
> uri
>
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From mikedshelton at hotmail.com  Sun Nov 22 12:01:17 2009
From: mikedshelton at hotmail.com (mikedshelton at hotmail.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:01:17 -0800
Subject: [Kc] Vacation reply
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From ivantis at ivantis.net  Sun Nov 22 12:12:24 2009
From: ivantis at ivantis.net (Ivan Greene)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:12:24 -0600
Subject: [Kc] Vacation Reply
Message-ID: <AB9C3C3D-F67A-441C-84DE-EB5F96C1A023@ivantis.net>

Who administrates this mail list? mikedshelton at hotmail.com keeps sending spam emails, I think it is infected with something. Maybe they should be removed or warned?

--Ivan


From amoore at mooresystems.com  Sun Nov 22 14:20:09 2009
From: amoore at mooresystems.com (Andrew Moore)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:20:09 -0600
Subject: [Kc] Vacation Reply
In-Reply-To: <AB9C3C3D-F67A-441C-84DE-EB5F96C1A023@ivantis.net>
References: <AB9C3C3D-F67A-441C-84DE-EB5F96C1A023@ivantis.net>
Message-ID: <6c70d2980911221420w34be8f1nb1c3cbf8d50a1e40@mail.gmail.com>

weird. I hadn't noticed. I don't have administrator access to the
list, but I think David does. David?

Sorry for the troubles!

-A


On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Ivan Greene <ivantis at ivantis.net> wrote:
> Who administrates this mail list? mikedshelton at hotmail.com keeps sending spam emails, I think it is infected with something. Maybe they should be removed or warned?
>
> --Ivan
>
> _______________________________________________
> kc mailing list
> kc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc
>

From amoore at mooresystems.com  Mon Nov 23 12:26:17 2009
From: amoore at mooresystems.com (Andrew Moore)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:26:17 -0600
Subject: [Kc] Vacation Reply
In-Reply-To: <AB9C3C3D-F67A-441C-84DE-EB5F96C1A023@ivantis.net>
References: <AB9C3C3D-F67A-441C-84DE-EB5F96C1A023@ivantis.net>
Message-ID: <6c70d2980911231226p47377bcclf4b931cd147d7ce1@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Ivan Greene <ivantis at ivantis.net> wrote:
> Who administrates this mail list? mikedshelton at hotmail.com keeps sending spam emails, I think it is infected with something. Maybe they should be removed or warned?

Thanks, Ivan. I've unsubscribed him.

It looks like the spams were being filtered on their way into my
inbox, so I had not noticed them. Please don't hesitate to point out
similar problems in the future.

-Andy

From davidnicol at gmail.com  Wed Nov 25 11:23:29 2009
From: davidnicol at gmail.com (David Nicol)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:23:29 -0600
Subject: [Kc] fun regex particle
Message-ID: <934f64a20911251123v72694047v4bbf5b3a4f1f3450@mail.gmail.com>

Quiz: what does this do, and can the letters be rearranged for more fun?

([DOFJAM][youngerblatvcop]{2})



-- 
"In the case of an infinite collection, the question of the existence
of a choice function is problematic"

From ivantis at ivantis.net  Wed Nov 25 12:58:21 2009
From: ivantis at ivantis.net (Ivan Greene)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:58:21 -0600
Subject: [Kc] fun regex particle
Message-ID: <cqfrs5grbtgmhni8aj3a6nq0.1259182701397@email.android.com>

Match some choice 3 letter words that start with D, O, F, J, A or M?

"David Nicol" <davidnicol at gmail.com> wrote:

>Quiz: what does this do, and can the letters be rearranged for more fun?
>
>([DOFJAM][youngerblatvcop]{2})
>
>
>
>-- 
>"In the case of an infinite collection, the question of the existence
>of a choice function is problematic"
>_______________________________________________
>kc mailing list
>kc at pm.org
>http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc
>

From davidnicol at gmail.com  Wed Nov 25 13:49:40 2009
From: davidnicol at gmail.com (David Nicol)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:49:40 -0600
Subject: [Kc] fun regex particle
In-Reply-To: <cqfrs5grbtgmhni8aj3a6nq0.1259182701397@email.android.com>
References: <cqfrs5grbtgmhni8aj3a6nq0.1259182701397@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <934f64a20911251349q328ca3b7mb44b59d4e1285ca9@mail.gmail.com>

I stupidly left out N and S from the capital list

([JSNODFAM][vctyoungerblap]{2})

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Ivan Greene wrote:
> Match some choice 3 letter words that start with D, O, F, J, A or M?
>
> "David Nicol" <davidnicol at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Quiz: what does this do, and can the letters be rearranged for more fun?

From ironicface at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 25 13:50:22 2009
From: ironicface at earthlink.net (ironicface at earthlink.net)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:50:22 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Kc] fun regex particle
Message-ID: <7835603.1259185822586.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Which, oddly, makes it match the 3 letter month abbreviations for every month except September and November.
(Missing Leading caps.)

What else does it do?

>Match some choice 3 letter words that start with D, O, F, J, A or M?
>
>"David Nicol" <davidnicol at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Quiz: what does this do, and can the letters be rearranged for more fun?
>>
>>([DOFJAM][youngerblatvcop]{2})
>>
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>"In the case of an infinite collection, the question of the existence
>>of a choice function is problematic"
>>_______________________________________________
>>kc mailing list
>>kc at pm.org
>>http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc
>>


From djgoku at gmail.com  Thu Nov 26 11:25:51 2009
From: djgoku at gmail.com (Jonathan Otsuka)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:25:51 -0600
Subject: [Kc] Google Wave Invites
Message-ID: <6FBA21A0-D0D5-4A5E-B026-8C5C08189B87@gmail.com>

If anyone would and invite let me know. There is some on going ideas/modules (prime number, and md5) with people on #perl6 freenode.

Jonathan