From randall.munden at gmail.com  Mon Mar  3 12:33:12 2008
From: randall.munden at gmail.com (Randall Munden)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:33:12 -0600
Subject: [Kc] Perceptions of perl
Message-ID: <1467780a0803031233r4dd2b666je048f77cfc02453f@mail.gmail.com>

I found this interesting as during my last out-of-pocket experience I
found perl projects/jobs to be few and far between.  Are the jobs (in
KC metro) featuring perl drying up because there are so few experts
and we've become so overpriced?

http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/02/14/perceptions-of-perl-views-from-the-edge/

--rjm--
-- Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.

http://www.librarything.com/profile/blather

From jay at jays.net  Mon Mar  3 12:45:27 2008
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 14:45:27 -0600
Subject: [Kc] Perceptions of perl
In-Reply-To: <1467780a0803031233r4dd2b666je048f77cfc02453f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1467780a0803031233r4dd2b666je048f77cfc02453f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47CC6367.7080403@jays.net>

Randall Munden wrote:
> Are the jobs (in KC metro) featuring perl drying up because there are so few experts and we've become so overpriced?
>   

What does overpriced mean nowadays?

It's hard for me to feel guilty charging $100/hour when Informix charges 
$350/hour, Oracle Financials consultants charge $250/hour, and mediocre 
MS datamining consultants charge $150/hour.

j
I do very little freelance, but that's my going rate for 
non-bioinformatics data munging



From emmanuel.mejias at gmail.com  Mon Mar  3 12:55:11 2008
From: emmanuel.mejias at gmail.com (Emmanuel Mejias)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:55:11 -0600
Subject: [Kc] Perceptions of perl
In-Reply-To: <47CC6367.7080403@jays.net>
References: <1467780a0803031233r4dd2b666je048f77cfc02453f@mail.gmail.com>
	<47CC6367.7080403@jays.net>
Message-ID: <38feac7e0803031255v2418136epa5c34e34ff20f62@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Jay Hannah <jay at jays.net> wrote:

> Randall Munden wrote:
> > Are the jobs (in KC metro) featuring perl drying up because there are so
> few experts and we've become so overpriced?
> >
>
> What does overpriced mean nowadays?
>
> It's hard for me to feel guilty charging $100/hour when Informix charges
> $350/hour, Oracle Financials consultants charge $250/hour, and mediocre
> MS datamining consultants charge $150/hour.
>
> j
> I do very little freelance, but that's my going rate for
> non-bioinformatics data munging
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> kc mailing list
> kc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc
>

Oh my god! Are you kidding me?!?!? DAMN! I am in the wrong business! Time to
start pickin your brains for some serious Perl knowledge!
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From jay at jays.net  Mon Mar  3 13:08:52 2008
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:08:52 -0600
Subject: [Kc] Perceptions of perl
In-Reply-To: <38feac7e0803031255v2418136epa5c34e34ff20f62@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1467780a0803031233r4dd2b666je048f77cfc02453f@mail.gmail.com>	
	<47CC6367.7080403@jays.net>
	<38feac7e0803031255v2418136epa5c34e34ff20f62@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47CC68E4.7040607@jays.net>

Emmanuel Mejias wrote:
> Oh my god! Are you kidding me?!?!? DAMN! I am in the wrong business! 
> Time to start pickin your brains for some serious Perl knowledge! 

Heh. I've always had a full-time job so I've never tried to make a large 
chunk of my income via my intentionally-higher-than-a-full-time-gig rates.

If my full time job died tomorrow I suspect it would take a long time 
and a lot of footwork to build up a large enough client base willing to 
pay decent money for freelance work to pay the mortgage. I have no clue 
how much total work I could drudge up.

A higher pay rate doesn't do squat if you can't drum up enough business.  :)

Stress levels vs. income volatility and potential...

j


From randall.munden at gmail.com  Mon Mar  3 14:06:58 2008
From: randall.munden at gmail.com (Randall Munden)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 16:06:58 -0600
Subject: [Kc] Perceptions of perl
In-Reply-To: <b42465b90803031356m38fbb985nf6d1bed9413f9f8c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1467780a0803031233r4dd2b666je048f77cfc02453f@mail.gmail.com>
	<b42465b90803031356m38fbb985nf6d1bed9413f9f8c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1467780a0803031406i31033bc7s68a477a41a447c4f@mail.gmail.com>

This is the first time in 12 years that I've had to take a job that
wasn't unix sysadmin or perl (or both).

On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Kit Peters <popefelix at gmail.com> wrote:
> "Drying up"?  You mean there are Perl jobs in the KC metro?
>
>  Seems like everything I'm hearing about is .NET or Java.
>
>  KP
>
>
>
>  On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Randall Munden <randall.munden at gmail.com> wrote:
>  >  Are the jobs (in KC metro) featuring perl drying up because there are so few experts
>  >  and we've become so overpriced?
>
>
>  --
>  GPG public key fingerpint: 1A12 04B6 0C80 306A B292  14FD 2C7A 1037 F666 46A7
>



-- 
-- Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.

http://www.librarything.com/profile/blather

From jay at jays.net  Mon Mar  3 15:33:23 2008
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 17:33:23 -0600
Subject: [Kc] Perceptions of perl
In-Reply-To: <1467780a0803031406i31033bc7s68a477a41a447c4f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1467780a0803031233r4dd2b666je048f77cfc02453f@mail.gmail.com>	<b42465b90803031356m38fbb985nf6d1bed9413f9f8c@mail.gmail.com>
	<1467780a0803031406i31033bc7s68a477a41a447c4f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47CC8AC3.9050805@jays.net>

On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Kit Peters <popefelix at gmail.com> wrote:

> "Drying up"?  You mean there are Perl jobs in the KC metro?

There's one?  :)

http://jobs.perl.org/job/7535   ?

j


From jay at jays.net  Thu Mar  6 15:49:33 2008
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 17:49:33 -0600
Subject: [Kc] Kansas City Hack Day
In-Reply-To: <E76BE9D3-1E41-4A0E-A99B-10D3FA7020E1@jays.net>
References: <20080225162941.GA31862@mooresystems.com>
	<2F6D6B85-A130-4C5B-9946-6940F81BEA38@gmail.com>
	<E76BE9D3-1E41-4A0E-A99B-10D3FA7020E1@jays.net>
Message-ID: <A10B78B8-443E-4D20-86AE-776F31DBC482@jays.net>

http://kcdilettante.blogspot.com/search/label/KC%20hack%20day
WHEN: Saturday, 15 March 2008, starting at 10:00, and lasting until  
the last geek goes home. :)
WHERE: Nighthawks Coffeehouse, 5815 Johnson Dr, Mission, KS

I'll be there @ 10am.

I hope to meet some KC Perl Mongers.  :)

j
Omaha, NE
Omaha Perl Mongers: http://omaha.pm.org
Me: http://clab.ist.unomaha.edu/CLAB/index.php/User:Jhannah



On Feb 27, 2008, at 12:04 PM, Jay Hannah wrote:
> On Feb 25, 2008, at 10:55 AM, Jonathan Otsuka wrote:
>>> http://kcdilettante.blogspot.com/search/label/KC%20hack%20day
>>
>> Sounds very interesting. That is awesome that the coffee shop is open
>> late! I wonder if he means 10am or 10pm, am thinking 10am or 10:00 in
>> military time. Anyone plan on attending?
>
> My folks live in KC, so I was thinking about driving down. My current
> development tracks are Catalyst (Perl web framework) and BioPerl /
> bioinformatics / R.  I've got a million projects going all the time...

From jay at jays.net  Thu Mar  6 16:38:39 2008
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 18:38:39 -0600
Subject: [Kc] Kansas City Hack Day
In-Reply-To: <E49DE291-6AF8-41A9-815C-B151FEA24D61@petdance.com>
References: <20080225162941.GA31862@mooresystems.com>
	<2F6D6B85-A130-4C5B-9946-6940F81BEA38@gmail.com>
	<E76BE9D3-1E41-4A0E-A99B-10D3FA7020E1@jays.net>
	<E49DE291-6AF8-41A9-815C-B151FEA24D61@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <B19A85A0-8514-464C-8F68-421B53987353@jays.net>

http://kcdilettante.blogspot.com/search/label/KC%20hack%20day

On Feb 27, 2008, at 12:07 PM, Andy Lester wrote:
> Jay, if you'd like to publicize this on Perlbuzz, let me know.  Write
> up a paragraph about what you and/or other Perl people will be working
> on, and I'll put it up as a story.

Anyone else coming? What are your interests?

I started a wiki page:

    http://jays.net/wiki/KC_Hack_Day

Edit it!  :)

j



From djgoku at gmail.com  Thu Mar  6 22:02:25 2008
From: djgoku at gmail.com (Jonathan Otsuka)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 00:02:25 -0600
Subject: [Kc] Kansas City Hack Day
In-Reply-To: <B19A85A0-8514-464C-8F68-421B53987353@jays.net>
References: <20080225162941.GA31862@mooresystems.com>
	<2F6D6B85-A130-4C5B-9946-6940F81BEA38@gmail.com>
	<E76BE9D3-1E41-4A0E-A99B-10D3FA7020E1@jays.net>
	<E49DE291-6AF8-41A9-815C-B151FEA24D61@petdance.com>
	<B19A85A0-8514-464C-8F68-421B53987353@jays.net>
Message-ID: <481C2AD9-FCE8-4DA9-BB1F-631A823E2432@gmail.com>


On Mar 6, 2008, at 6:38 PM, Jay Hannah wrote:

> http://kcdilettante.blogspot.com/search/label/KC%20hack%20day
>
> On Feb 27, 2008, at 12:07 PM, Andy Lester wrote:
>> Jay, if you'd like to publicize this on Perlbuzz, let me know.  Write
>> up a paragraph about what you and/or other Perl people will be  
>> working
>> on, and I'll put it up as a story.
>
> Anyone else coming? What are your interests?
>
> I started a wiki page:
>
>    http://jays.net/wiki/KC_Hack_Day
>
> Edit it!  :)

I am planning on attended. Oh FYI they have a back room so if it  
brings a crowd might be able to go to the back area.

I think the interests are pretty open.

Jonathan

From amoore at mooresystems.com  Tue Mar 11 08:44:17 2008
From: amoore at mooresystems.com (Andrew Moore)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:44:17 -0500
Subject: [Kc] March meeting
In-Reply-To: <20080228221016.GA1691@mooresystems.com>
References: <20080228221016.GA1691@mooresystems.com>
Message-ID: <20080311154417.GA23090@mooresystems.com>


This is just a reminder that we're having a meeting this evening at
7pm at Barley's in Shawnee on Midland, just East of 435.

I unfortunately learned that something has come up and I won't be able
to make it. I'll make sure Jonathan or someone will check in at the
hostess stand to get our table on the "bandstand" area.

Have a good meeting!

-Andy


On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 04:10:16PM -0600, amoore wrote:
> 
> Hey KC Mongers - 
> 
> The March meeting is less than 2 weeks away. It's on Tuesday, March 11
> at 7pm. I just called Barley's in Lenexa and set up a table for us on
> the "Bandstand" are at 7pm. I told them 6 people, but I guess we might
> go over that. If you don't come very often and are thinking of coming
> this time, please let me know. If there are many of us, I'll get a
> bigger table.
> 
> Last month, while discussing potential topics for this month. someone
> mentioned using POE. (Now I can't recall who mentioned it. Randall,
> maybe?) Anyway, let's declare this month "Month of the POE". If you've
> used POE for something, be prepared to tell us a little about it. If
> you've wanted to use POE for something, be prepared to ask about it.
> 
> http://poe.perl.org/
> 
> I always thought that POE was just good for IRC bots, but I've been
> informed that it can do more.
> 
> As always, other perl related topics are welcome and encouraged, as
> well as other computer or beer related topics.
> 
> See you guys on Tuesday, March 11 at Barley's in Lenexa on Midland.
> 
> -Andy
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

From randall.munden at gmail.com  Tue Mar 11 09:06:25 2008
From: randall.munden at gmail.com (Randall Munden)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:06:25 -0500
Subject: [Kc] March meeting
In-Reply-To: <20080311154417.GA23090@mooresystems.com>
References: <20080228221016.GA1691@mooresystems.com>
	<20080311154417.GA23090@mooresystems.com>
Message-ID: <1467780a0803110906w77c540c3u3d0f98b333603f3b@mail.gmail.com>

I out this evening as well.  My son has a pack meeting tonight.

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Andrew Moore <amoore at mooresystems.com> wrote:
>
>  This is just a reminder that we're having a meeting this evening at
>  7pm at Barley's in Shawnee on Midland, just East of 435.
>
>  I unfortunately learned that something has come up and I won't be able
>  to make it. I'll make sure Jonathan or someone will check in at the
>  hostess stand to get our table on the "bandstand" area.
>
>  Have a good meeting!
>
>  -Andy
>
>
>
>
>  On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 04:10:16PM -0600, amoore wrote:
>  >
>  > Hey KC Mongers -
>  >
>  > The March meeting is less than 2 weeks away. It's on Tuesday, March 11
>  > at 7pm. I just called Barley's in Lenexa and set up a table for us on
>  > the "Bandstand" are at 7pm. I told them 6 people, but I guess we might
>  > go over that. If you don't come very often and are thinking of coming
>  > this time, please let me know. If there are many of us, I'll get a
>  > bigger table.
>  >
>  > Last month, while discussing potential topics for this month. someone
>  > mentioned using POE. (Now I can't recall who mentioned it. Randall,
>  > maybe?) Anyway, let's declare this month "Month of the POE". If you've
>  > used POE for something, be prepared to tell us a little about it. If
>  > you've wanted to use POE for something, be prepared to ask about it.
>  >
>  > http://poe.perl.org/
>  >
>  > I always thought that POE was just good for IRC bots, but I've been
>  > informed that it can do more.
>  >
>  > As always, other perl related topics are welcome and encouraged, as
>  > well as other computer or beer related topics.
>  >
>  > See you guys on Tuesday, March 11 at Barley's in Lenexa on Midland.
>  >
>  > -Andy
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  _______________________________________________
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>  kc at pm.org
>  http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc
>



-- 
-- Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.

http://www.librarything.com/profile/blather

From BillJ at mcginfo.com  Wed Mar 12 11:18:03 2008
From: BillJ at mcginfo.com (Bill Joeckel)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:18:03 -0500
Subject: [Kc] Bill Joeckel
Message-ID: <DC0EB34103818E4C9201E3C2D21016D60439DE@MCGMAIL.mcginfo.com>

Thanks

 

Bill Joeckel 

 

913-693-8200 254

 

913-375-7691

 

billj at mcginfo.com

 

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From djgoku at gmail.com  Wed Mar 12 14:27:27 2008
From: djgoku at gmail.com (djgoku)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:27:27 -0500
Subject: [Kc] Bill Joeckel
In-Reply-To: <DC0EB34103818E4C9201E3C2D21016D60439DE@MCGMAIL.mcginfo.com>
References: <DC0EB34103818E4C9201E3C2D21016D60439DE@MCGMAIL.mcginfo.com>
Message-ID: <99dd19c90803121427n67ecf273yd87af54de39c1004@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Bill Joeckel <BillJ at mcginfo.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks
>
> Bill Joeckel

You might try sending plain text instead of HTML.

http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/kc/2008-March/000928.html

From popefelix at gmail.com  Sat Mar 15 08:07:40 2008
From: popefelix at gmail.com (Kit Peters)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 10:07:40 -0500
Subject: [Kc] Hack Day is today!
Message-ID: <b42465b90803150807n60caf47cwa6d7e3d81bb0c0cd@mail.gmail.com>

Come on out!  Nighthawks Coffeehouse, 5815 Johnson Dr. in Mission.
I'll be there from very soon until at least 1700 or so.

KP

-- 
GPG public key fingerpint: 1A12 04B6 0C80 306A B292 14FD 2C7A 1037 F666 46A7

From jay at jays.net  Sun Mar 16 07:43:32 2008
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:43:32 -0500
Subject: [Kc] KC Hack Day
Message-ID: <221D667E-AEB8-4BDA-9770-F03B1AEDE12A@jays.net>

We peaked out at 4 attendees:

    http://jays.net/wiki/KC_Hack_Day

It was fun! Thanks, Kit, for organizing!

I like that coffee shop. I'd probably be there for their chess events  
too if I lived close.  :)

Take care,

j




From djgoku at gmail.com  Sun Mar 16 23:22:14 2008
From: djgoku at gmail.com (Jonathan Otsuka)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 01:22:14 -0500
Subject: [Kc] KC Hack Day
In-Reply-To: <221D667E-AEB8-4BDA-9770-F03B1AEDE12A@jays.net>
References: <221D667E-AEB8-4BDA-9770-F03B1AEDE12A@jays.net>
Message-ID: <5465D23B-81C6-4154-B164-50179748271A@gmail.com>


On Mar 16, 2008, at 9:43 AM, Jay Hannah wrote:

> We peaked out at 4 attendees:
>
>    http://jays.net/wiki/KC_Hack_Day
>
> It was fun! Thanks, Kit, for organizing!
>
> I like that coffee shop. I'd probably be there for their chess events
> too if I lived close.  :)

Sounds like you guys had a lot of fun, wish I could of made it. Stay  
up to late the Friday night until 7AM Saturday coding for a school  
project.

Maybe again next month? :)

Jonathan

From davidnicol at gmail.com  Mon Mar 17 07:09:25 2008
From: davidnicol at gmail.com (David Nicol)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:09:25 -0500
Subject: [Kc] KC Hack Day
In-Reply-To: <5465D23B-81C6-4154-B164-50179748271A@gmail.com>
References: <221D667E-AEB8-4BDA-9770-F03B1AEDE12A@jays.net>
	<5465D23B-81C6-4154-B164-50179748271A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <934f64a20803170709td4da3bdmf39326345052e619@mail.gmail.com>

FWIW I spent a considerable portion of saturday working on my chess board
project, in solidarity with hack day.

On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 1:22 AM, Jonathan Otsuka <djgoku at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  On Mar 16, 2008, at 9:43 AM, Jay Hannah wrote:
>
>  > We peaked out at 4 attendees:
>  >
>  >    http://jays.net/wiki/KC_Hack_Day
>  >

From jay at jays.net  Sun Mar 16 07:43:32 2008
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:43:32 -0500
Subject: [Kc] [Omaha.pm] KC Hack Day
Message-ID: <221D667E-AEB8-4BDA-9770-F03B1AEDE12A@jays.net>

We peaked out at 4 attendees:

    http://jays.net/wiki/KC_Hack_Day

It was fun! Thanks, Kit, for organizing!

I like that coffee shop. I'd probably be there for their chess events  
too if I lived close.  :)

Take care,

j



_______________________________________________
Omaha-pm mailing list
Omaha-pm at pm.org
http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha-pm


From BillJ at mcginfo.com  Thu Mar 20 11:33:36 2008
From: BillJ at mcginfo.com (Bill Joeckel)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:33:36 -0500
Subject: [Kc] FW: URGENT EMBARQ CLIENT CALL - EDI SPECIALIST NEEDED
Message-ID: <DC0EB34103818E4C9201E3C2D21016D6043B40@MCGMAIL.mcginfo.com>

 

 

 

Just spoke with the client.  Recognizing that Gentran is very hard to
find, the client is approaching from another angle

 

Heavy UNIX PERL Scripting with desire to learn EDI (good skill set to
learn!)

Needs to be ready to start out in Gardner KS as early as possible next
week - client has 1 week to cross train this candidate before they lose
their resource.

 

 

Several of their programmers have left for other jobs and they've
reached a critical point

 

NEED:   EDI Developer on UNIX midrange

Using Gentran Software  for their EDI

Scripting capabilities

 

 

LOCATION:  Gardner KS

BILL RATE:  probably around $65/hour - We will inform them of the
pricing we're seeing and if we need to raise, we raise

 

TIMING:  Need someone to start next Monday as they have 1 week
transition period before their last resource 

 

# of openings - ultimately they need to hire two people.  If this first
resource is soley career contractor, they are fine with that as they
need a body in the chair ASAP for the transition.  Then we'd have time
to fill the to-hire openings next.

 

 

Thanks

 

Bill joeckel 

 

MCG

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From popefelix at gmail.com  Mon Mar 24 12:08:04 2008
From: popefelix at gmail.com (Kit Peters)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:08:04 -0500
Subject: [Kc] Decoupling HTTP and interface
Message-ID: <b42465b90803241208o38cd6994pdaf76bc698f4bbc5@mail.gmail.com>

So I'm building a RESTful server in Perl to run under Apache2 and
mod_perl 2.  And it occurs to me that my favorite method of debugging,
perl -d, is not available in this setup, as all the Perl code is being
executed by Apache and mod_perl, which are setting up their own
environment that I can't duplicate easily.  So then it occurs to me
that the better thing to do would be to work out the behaviour outside
of Apache and mod_perl altogether.  I could then just make up GET
strings on the command line or whatever.  For Apache's part, I could
write my mod_perl handlers to call the subs from my text interface.

So, before I go reinventing the wheel, has anyone done this already?
Is there some code out there already that I can integrate into this
project?

KP

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From sterling at hanenkamp.com  Mon Mar 24 12:27:06 2008
From: sterling at hanenkamp.com (Andrew Hanenkamp)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:27:06 -0500
Subject: [Kc] Decoupling HTTP and interface
In-Reply-To: <b42465b90803241208o38cd6994pdaf76bc698f4bbc5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b42465b90803241208o38cd6994pdaf76bc698f4bbc5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c185b40e0803241227n424aa71br972d993beb662621@mail.gmail.com>

I know that if you want to use an existing framework like Catalyst or Jifty
you can deploy to different kinds of web servers interchangeably by just
tweaking your configuration or running a different command. For example,
Jifty is typically tested using HTTP::Server::Simple and then deployed using
FastCGI (I believe there is a mod_perl implementation is also available).
I'm pretty certain that Catalyst has a similar set of options available
(been a couple years, so my memory is a little fuzzy).

If you don't want to use a framework, then I don't know of anything. In such
cases, I've only ever written my own abstractions and haven't contributed
those abstractions back to CPAN (I know, I'm a failure).

Cheers,
Andrew

On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Kit Peters <popefelix at gmail.com> wrote:

> So I'm building a RESTful server in Perl to run under Apache2 and
> mod_perl 2.  And it occurs to me that my favorite method of debugging,
> perl -d, is not available in this setup, as all the Perl code is being
> executed by Apache and mod_perl, which are setting up their own
> environment that I can't duplicate easily.  So then it occurs to me
> that the better thing to do would be to work out the behaviour outside
> of Apache and mod_perl altogether.  I could then just make up GET
> strings on the command line or whatever.  For Apache's part, I could
> write my mod_perl handlers to call the subs from my text interface.
>
> So, before I go reinventing the wheel, has anyone done this already?
> Is there some code out there already that I can integrate into this
> project?
>
> KP
>
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From frank at wiles.org  Mon Mar 24 12:47:12 2008
From: frank at wiles.org (Frank Wiles)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:47:12 -0500
Subject: [Kc] Decoupling HTTP and interface
In-Reply-To: <b42465b90803241208o38cd6994pdaf76bc698f4bbc5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b42465b90803241208o38cd6994pdaf76bc698f4bbc5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080324144712.418bc5c9.frank@wiles.org>

On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:08:04 -0500
"Kit Peters" <popefelix at gmail.com> wrote:

> So I'm building a RESTful server in Perl to run under Apache2 and
> mod_perl 2.  And it occurs to me that my favorite method of debugging,
> perl -d, is not available in this setup, as all the Perl code is being
> executed by Apache and mod_perl, which are setting up their own
> environment that I can't duplicate easily.  So then it occurs to me
> that the better thing to do would be to work out the behaviour outside
> of Apache and mod_perl altogether.  I could then just make up GET
> strings on the command line or whatever.  For Apache's part, I could
> write my mod_perl handlers to call the subs from my text interface.
> 
> So, before I go reinventing the wheel, has anyone done this already?
> Is there some code out there already that I can integrate into this
> project?

  You can use Apache::DB from CPAN to allow you to do debugging
  on a mod_perl process.  I happen to be the maintainer of that
  module these days, so let me know if you have any problems. ( FYI
  it doesn't work with Perl 5.10 yet, I haven't had a chance to
  sort out the bugs ). 

  One bit of advice however, make sure you run httpd -X so that
  every browser request goes to the same backend of you'll drive
  yourself nuts. 

  But yes, in general you want to use a framework like Catalyst,
  Jifty, Gantry, etc. which do a lot more for you than just
  make debugging a bit easier. 

 -------------------------------------------------------
   Frank Wiles, Revolution Systems, LLC. 
     Personal : frank at wiles.org  http://www.wiles.org
     Work     : frank at revsys.com http://www.revsys.com 


From jay at jays.net  Mon Mar 24 12:56:45 2008
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:56:45 -0500
Subject: [Kc] Decoupling HTTP and interface
In-Reply-To: <b42465b90803241208o38cd6994pdaf76bc698f4bbc5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b42465b90803241208o38cd6994pdaf76bc698f4bbc5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47E8077D.6090306@jays.net>

Kit Peters wrote:
> So I'm building a RESTful server in Perl to run under Apache2 and
> mod_perl 2.  And it occurs to me that my favorite method of debugging,
> perl -d, is not available in this setup, 

I'm the 3rd vote for Catalyst.

In Catalyst, you devel everything using the awesome "dev server," which 
is built into Catalyst and can be run using the command-line perl 
debugger (-d) anytime you want. Then when you're ready to roll to 
production you run the same code, but under mod_perl/Apache instead (or 
fastCGI/Apache or fastCGI/lightHTTPD, or other options).

This is how we do web stuff nowadays.  :)

j



From stephenclouse at gmail.com  Thu Mar 27 14:16:42 2008
From: stephenclouse at gmail.com (Stephen Clouse)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:16:42 -0500
Subject: [Kc] Birthday
Message-ID: <5d0ee2170803271416g6f1a51c7xabef58ccbff69bdf@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry for the extremely short notice, but today's my birthday.  Knew I
forgot to invite some people :(

The party is at Johnny's Tavern in Olathe (K-10 and Ridgeview Road).  The
back room is reserved for me from 6:00pm to close, so just come on back.
You don't have to stay long if you can't or don't want to, so just pop in
and have a drink if you want.

-- 
Stephen Clouse <stephenclouse at gmail.com>
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From emmanuel.mejias at gmail.com  Mon Mar 31 18:29:35 2008
From: emmanuel.mejias at gmail.com (Emmanuel Mejias)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:29:35 -0500
Subject: [Kc] RegExes
Message-ID: <38feac7e0803311829v6ee3cbb2we8cc914547a996d@mail.gmail.com>

hey guys, I'm trying to match two patterns, say */var/log/ *from
/etc/syslog.conf, using regexes? but I don't want to match every line with
log (Logging, log)  which is what I'm getting. I tried just matching /var/,
but I was trying for two patterns. what would be the correct way?

code:

#!/usr/bin/perl -w

@input = `cat /etc/syslog.conf`;

foreach $line (@input) {
  if ($line =~ */[varlog]/*){
     print $line;
  }
}

I want my output to look something like this....

*.info;mail.none;authpriv.none;cron.none                /var/log/messages
authpriv.*                                              /var/log/secure
mail.*                                                  -/var/log/maillog
cron.*                                                  /var/log/cron
uucp,news.crit                                          /var/log/spooler
local7.*                                                /var/log/boot.log


not like this....

# Log all kernel messages to the console.
# Logging much else clutters up the screen.
#kern.*                                                 /dev/console
# Log anything (except mail) of level info or higher.
# Don't log private authentication messages!
*.info;mail.none;authpriv.none;cron.none                /var/log/messages
# The authpriv file has restricted access.
authpriv.*                                              /var/log/secure
# Log all the mail messages in one place.
mail.*                                                  -/var/log/maillog
# Log cron stuff
cron.*                                                  /var/log/cron
# Everybody gets emergency messages
*.emerg                                                 *
# Save news errors of level crit and higher in a special file.
uucp,news.crit                                          /var/log/spooler
# Save boot messages also to boot.log
local7.*                                                /var/log/boot.log
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From emmanuel.mejias at gmail.com  Mon Mar 31 18:34:58 2008
From: emmanuel.mejias at gmail.com (Emmanuel Mejias)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:34:58 -0500
Subject: [Kc] RegExes
In-Reply-To: <38feac7e0803311829v6ee3cbb2we8cc914547a996d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <38feac7e0803311829v6ee3cbb2we8cc914547a996d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <38feac7e0803311834l5acd834ue5f2b892942d6959@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 8:29 PM, Emmanuel Mejias <emmanuel.mejias at gmail.com>
wrote:

> hey guys, I'm trying to match two patterns, say */var/log/ *from
> /etc/syslog.conf, using regexes? but I don't want to match every line with
> log (Logging, log)  which is what I'm getting. I tried just matching /var/,
> but I was trying for two patterns. what would be the correct way?
>
> code:
>
> #!/usr/bin/perl -w
>
> @input = `cat /etc/syslog.conf`;
>
> foreach $line (@input) {
>   if ($line =~ */[varlog]/*){
>      print $line;
>   }
> }
>
> I want my output to look something like this....
>
> *.info;mail.none;authpriv.none;cron.none                /var/log/messages
> authpriv.*                                              /var/log/secure
> mail.*                                                  -/var/log/maillog
> cron.*                                                  /var/log/cron
> uucp,news.crit                                          /var/log/spooler
> local7.*                                                /var/log/boot.log
>
>
> not like this....
>
> # Log all kernel messages to the console.
> # Logging much else clutters up the screen.
> #kern.*                                                 /dev/console
> # Log anything (except mail) of level info or higher.
> # Don't log private authentication messages!
> *.info;mail.none;authpriv.none;cron.none                /var/log/messages
> # The authpriv file has restricted access.
> authpriv.*                                              /var/log/secure
> # Log all the mail messages in one place.
> mail.*                                                  -/var/log/maillog
> # Log cron stuff
> cron.*                                                  /var/log/cron
> # Everybody gets emergency messages
> *.emerg                                                 *
> # Save news errors of level crit and higher in a special file.
> uucp,news.crit                                          /var/log/spooler
> # Save boot messages also to boot.log
> local7.*                                                /var/log/boot.log
>
>

I think I figured it out. How's that look, better?

#!/usr/bin/perl -w

@input = `cat /etc/syslog.conf`;

foreach $line (@input) {
  if ($line =~* /\var\/log/*){
     print $line;
  }
}
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