From djgoku at gmail.com  Mon Dec  4 20:49:15 2006
From: djgoku at gmail.com (djgoku)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 22:49:15 -0600
Subject: [Kc] iCal File for KCPM Meetings
Message-ID: <99dd19c90612042049i5beb00e1oe9034e7655028824@mail.gmail.com>

iCal file for all the meetings.

jonathan
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From djgoku at gmail.com  Mon Dec  4 20:55:56 2006
From: djgoku at gmail.com (djgoku)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 22:55:56 -0600
Subject: [Kc] iCal File for KCPM Meetings
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On 12/4/06, djgoku <djgoku at gmail.com> wrote:
> iCal file for all the meetings.

I forgot when Planet Sub closed so I put 7PM-9PM or is the meeting
7PM-10PM? I didn't find much while searching google on the hours.

From djgoku at gmail.com  Tue Dec  5 05:12:09 2006
From: djgoku at gmail.com (djgoku)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 07:12:09 -0600
Subject: [Kc] iCal File for KCPM Meetings
In-Reply-To: <934f64a20612042224o486e8fectfc60af27a395dbaf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <99dd19c90612042049i5beb00e1oe9034e7655028824@mail.gmail.com>
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On 12/5/06, David Nicol <davidnicol at gmail.com> wrote:
> is that a valid file?  google calendar treated the ending date as the
> end of the meeting..

I tried it on both iCal and Sunbird and worked accordingly.

From djgoku at gmail.com  Wed Dec  6 07:03:12 2006
From: djgoku at gmail.com (djgoku)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 09:03:12 -0600
Subject: [Kc] iCal File for KCPM Meetings
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So I messed up if you notice on the 12/12/06 meeting it doesn't have
the Location/URL nor end set to Never. That is the reason for google
not liking this file. Here is an updated with all the corrections.
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From djgoku at gmail.com  Wed Dec  6 07:24:36 2006
From: djgoku at gmail.com (djgoku)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 09:24:36 -0600
Subject: [Kc] iCal File for KCPM Meetings
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On 12/6/06, djgoku <djgoku at gmail.com> wrote:
> So I messed up if you notice on the 12/12/06 meeting it doesn't have
> the Location/URL nor end set to Never. That is the reason for google
> not liking this file. Here is an updated with all the corrections.

I tried adding this to Google Calender and it seems to make a long
event from 12/12/06 @ 7PM to 1/11/08 @ 7PM? It opens correctly in both
iCal and Sunbird, so I am not sure how many people use Google Calender
so I won't worry about this.

From djgoku at gmail.com  Wed Dec  6 07:37:50 2006
From: djgoku at gmail.com (djgoku)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 09:37:50 -0600
Subject: [Kc] iCal File for KCPM Meetings
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On 12/6/06, djgoku <djgoku at gmail.com> wrote:
> I tried adding this to Google Calender and it seems to make a long
> event from 12/12/06 @ 7PM to 1/11/08 @ 7PM? It opens correctly in both
> iCal and Sunbird, so I am not sure how many people use Google Calender
> so I won't worry about this.

Alternate download if attachment doesn't work:

http://tektronic.org/downloads/KCPM.ics

From JYOUNG79 at kc.rr.com  Thu Dec  7 08:40:20 2006
From: JYOUNG79 at kc.rr.com (JYOUNG79 at kc.rr.com)
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 10:40:20 -0600
Subject: [Kc] return vs newline
Message-ID: <fdfefb941562c.1562cfdfefb94@rdc-kc.rr.com>

Hi,

I'm trying to loop thru paragraphs in a file but evidently the file has 
carriage returns instead of newlines so when perl reads it in, it reads 
it in as one big line instead of separate paragraphs.  Does anyone know 
if there's a way to have perl use carriage returns instead so I can 
loop thru each paragraph one at a time?

In the past I've used the code below in the shell to change all the 
returns in the file itself but I'd like to leave the file the way it is 
if possible:

perl -pi -e 's/\r/\n/g' <filename> 

Thanks for your help.  I'm running this on Mac OS 10.3

Jay

From amoore at mooresystems.com  Thu Dec  7 09:13:45 2006
From: amoore at mooresystems.com (Andrew Moore)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 11:13:45 -0600
Subject: [Kc] return vs newline
In-Reply-To: <fdfefb941562c.1562cfdfefb94@rdc-kc.rr.com>
References: <fdfefb941562c.1562cfdfefb94@rdc-kc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20061207171345.GA25696@mooresystems.com>

On Thu, Dec 07, 2006 at 10:40:20AM -0600, JYOUNG79 at kc.rr.com wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm trying to loop thru paragraphs in a file but evidently the file has 
> carriage returns instead of newlines so when perl reads it in, it reads 
> it in as one big line instead of separate paragraphs.  Does anyone know 
> if there's a way to have perl use carriage returns instead so I can 
> loop thru each paragraph one at a time?

Hi Jay -

I'm not sure I actually caught the difference between what you're
considering "lines" versus "paragraphs", but here's my best shot:

You can read about what affects this behavior under the
"$INPUT_RECORD_SEPARATOR" heading in the perlvar perldoc. Also, check
out the "Newlines" bit in perlport.

But, I'm guessing that there's something else more simple going on
here. Could you post a small sample of your code that fails to do what
you expect, please?

-Andy



From JYOUNG79 at kc.rr.com  Thu Dec  7 09:31:41 2006
From: JYOUNG79 at kc.rr.com (JYOUNG79 at kc.rr.com)
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 11:31:41 -0600
Subject: [Kc] return vs newline
Message-ID: <c4faba10126c1.126c1c4faba10@rdc-kc.rr.com>

Hi Andy,

Thanks for your reply.  The code is simply looking through a text file 
for whatever the user wants to search for and then it counts how many 
time it appears in the file.  I've commented out some lines below so I 
could test and see what was happening.

----------------------------
#!/usr/bin/perl -w

print "Please enter text to search for: ";

chomp($in = <STDIN>);

$n = 0;

while (<>) {
	chomp;
	
	#if ($_ =~ /$in/i) { $n++ }
	print "$in = $_\n";
}

#print "\nTotal count for $in: $n\n";
----------------------------

Now that I'm looking at the results closer I'm not sure what's going 
on.  Originally I thought the file might have carriage returns in it 
instead of newlines which would make perl read the whole thing in a 
while loop instead of separating out each paragraph.  Anyway if I run 
the above code through the shell with a text file that just contains:

===============================================
Wednesday, December 6, 2006 4:58:05 AM
=========================
======================
Job File: 12-06_05;57;45 AM_test.txt
--
Name: Jay Young
Dept: PSD


then I get this in my shell window (which is totally wrong):

Please enter month and day to search: hi
Dept: PSD Young_05;57;45 AM_test.txt================
I'll mess around somemore with the code when I return from lunch.  I'm 
still curious though, it's my understanding that when using a while 
loop to loop thru each paragraph from a file with Perl that you must 
have the 'newline' character in the file otherwise it won't work.  Is 
there a way to get around this?  I'll also look at the perldoc info you 
gave me.

Thanks for your help.  I really appreciate it.

Jay

On Thu, Dec 07, 2006 at 10:40:20AM -0600, JYOUNG79 at kc.rr.com wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I'm trying to loop thru paragraphs in a file but evidently the file 
has 
>> carriage returns instead of newlines so when perl reads it in, it 
reads 
>> it in as one big line instead of separate paragraphs.  Does anyone 
know 
>> if there's a way 
to have perl use carriage returns instead so I can 
>> loop thru each paragraph one at a time?

>Hi Jay -
>
>I'm not sure I actually caught the difference between what you're
>considering "lines" versus "paragraphs", but here's my best shot:
>
>You can read about what affects this behavior under the
>"$INPUT_RECORD_SEPARATOR" heading in the perlvar perldoc. Also, check
>out the "Newlines" bit in perlport.
>
>But, I'm guessing that there's something else more simple going on
>here. Could you post a small sample of your code that fails to do what
>you expect, please?
>
>-Andy




From djgoku at gmail.com  Thu Dec  7 10:00:58 2006
From: djgoku at gmail.com (djgoku)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 12:00:58 -0600
Subject: [Kc] return vs newline
In-Reply-To: <c4faba10126c1.126c1c4faba10@rdc-kc.rr.com>
References: <c4faba10126c1.126c1c4faba10@rdc-kc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <99dd19c90612071000w34a3de32u24fe80c4a07f0e78@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/7/06, JYOUNG79 at kc.rr.com <JYOUNG79 at kc.rr.com> wrote:
> Hi Andy,
>
> Thanks for your reply.  The code is simply looking through a text file
> for whatever the user wants to search for and then it counts how many
> time it appears in the file.  I've commented out some lines below so I
> could test and see what was happening.
>
> ----------------------------
> #!/usr/bin/perl -w
>
> print "Please enter text to search for: ";
>
> chomp($in = <STDIN>);
>
> $n = 0;
>
> while (<>) {
>         chomp;
>
>         #if ($_ =~ /$in/i) { $n++ }
>         print "$in = $_\n";
> }
>
> #print "\nTotal count for $in: $n\n";
> ----------------------------
>
> Now that I'm looking at the results closer I'm not sure what's going
> on.  Originally I thought the file might have carriage returns in it
> instead of newlines which would make perl read the whole thing in a
> while loop instead of separating out each paragraph.  Anyway if I run
> the above code through the shell with a text file that just contains:
>
> ===============================================
> Wednesday, December 6, 2006 4:58:05 AM
> =========================
> ======================
> Job File: 12-06_05;57;45 AM_test.txt
> --
> Name: Jay Young
> Dept: PSD
>
>
> then I get this in my shell window (which is totally wrong):
>
> Please enter month and day to search: hi
> Dept: PSD Young_05;57;45 AM_test.txt================
> I'll mess around somemore with the code when I return from lunch.  I'm
> still curious though, it's my understanding that when using a while
> loop to loop thru each paragraph from a file with Perl that you must
> have the 'newline' character in the file otherwise it won't work.  Is
> there a way to get around this?  I'll also look at the perldoc info you
> gave me.

I think you need to add some code for substr combination with index to
search for multiple copies of $in per line.

http://perldoc.perl.org/search.html?q=substring

From djgoku at gmail.com  Thu Dec  7 10:24:56 2006
From: djgoku at gmail.com (djgoku)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 12:24:56 -0600
Subject: [Kc] return vs newline
In-Reply-To: <c4faba10126c1.126c1c4faba10@rdc-kc.rr.com>
References: <c4faba10126c1.126c1c4faba10@rdc-kc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <99dd19c90612071024v3cfeee4ao4226a42b133b1f00@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/7/06, JYOUNG79 at kc.rr.com <JYOUNG79 at kc.rr.com> wrote:
> Hi Andy,
>
> Thanks for your reply.  The code is simply looking through a text file
> for whatever the user wants to search for and then it counts how many
> time it appears in the file.  I've commented out some lines below so I
> could test and see what was happening.
>
> ----------------------------
> #!/usr/bin/perl -w
>
> print "Please enter text to search for: ";
>
> chomp($in = <STDIN>);
>
> $n = 0;
>
> while (<>) {
>         chomp;
>
>         #if ($_ =~ /$in/i) { $n++ }
>         print "$in = $_\n";
> }
>
> #print "\nTotal count for $in: $n\n";
> ----------------------------
>
> Now that I'm looking at the results closer I'm not sure what's going
> on.  Originally I thought the file might have carriage returns in it
> instead of newlines which would make perl read the whole thing in a
> while loop instead of separating out each paragraph.  Anyway if I run
> the above code through the shell with a text file that just contains:
>
> ===============================================
> Wednesday, December 6, 2006 4:58:05 AM
> =========================
> ======================
> Job File: 12-06_05;57;45 AM_test.txt
> --
> Name: Jay Young
> Dept: PSD
>
>
> then I get this in my shell window (which is totally wrong):
>
> Please enter month and day to search: hi
> Dept: PSD Young_05;57;45 AM_test.txt================
> I'll mess around somemore with the code when I return from lunch.  I'm
> still curious though, it's my understanding that when using a while
> loop to loop thru each paragraph from a file with Perl that you must
> have the 'newline' character in the file otherwise it won't work.  Is
> there a way to get around this?  I'll also look at the perldoc info you
> gave me.

http://perldoc.perl.org/perlfaq4.html#How-can-I-count-the-number-of-occurrences-of-a-substring-within-a-string%3f

This may be of interest also.

From amoore at mooresystems.com  Thu Dec  7 12:30:42 2006
From: amoore at mooresystems.com (Andrew Moore)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 14:30:42 -0600
Subject: [Kc] return vs newline
In-Reply-To: <c4faba10126c1.126c1c4faba10@rdc-kc.rr.com>
References: <c4faba10126c1.126c1c4faba10@rdc-kc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20061207203042.GA26861@mooresystems.com>

On Thu, Dec 07, 2006 at 11:31:41AM -0600, JYOUNG79 at kc.rr.com wrote:
> Hi Andy,
> 
> Thanks for your reply.  The code is simply looking through a text file 
> for whatever the user wants to search for and then it counts how many 
> time it appears in the file.  I've commented out some lines below so I 
> could test and see what was happening.

Hi Jay - 

I see a few problems here, and I'll point out the ones that jump to
mind first.

It looks like there's a problem printing out your output. I suspect
that some lines are running over others, probaby because of a
end-of-line problem. Perl is supposed to be smart about this and use
"\n" to smartly use what's most correct for your OS type. (see perldoc
perlport.) But, it may not be doing something right, and it looks like
many of your lines of output are being written on top of each other.

I've attached a copy of your script that I have rewritten a little
bit. See if it works better for you. Some things I changed (not all of
which matter) are:

* use strict, this helps me catch some of my simple errors

* used longer variable names. I couldn't differentiate $n and $in very
  well.

* printed out the string I was searching for so that I could see it
  better

* used 'warn' instead of print so that it would give me line numbers
  and handle my end-of-line problems better

* put your file in a __DATA__ section. This actually may mask your
  end-of-line problem since the data is now in the script itself and
  considering that I wrote my copy on linux. I'm hopeful that when you
  expand this example to use an external file that you can handle
  that.


Some things that could still be improved:

* the /$searchfor/i regex should not be redone each time. we should
  make use qr() to make a stored regex that we refer to in the loop
  foir efficiency reasons.

* we should probably untaint $searchfor

* this doesn't count multiple occurrences in each line

* do we really need to chomp the lines?

Let me know if this helps you out or if you still have questions.

-Andy



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From JYOUNG79 at kc.rr.com  Thu Dec  7 13:17:35 2006
From: JYOUNG79 at kc.rr.com (JYOUNG79 at kc.rr.com)
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 15:17:35 -0600
Subject: [Kc] return vs newline
Message-ID: <c517aaa7154f9.154f9c517aaa7@rdc-kc.rr.com>

Hi Andy,

Thanks so much for taking the time to help with this.  Your code is 
working much better than mine but some strange stuff is going on with 
my text file:

I made a new file and typed out the first chunk manually (so it would 
have the correct newline characters at the end of each line) and then I 
pasted the next 2 chunks in from my original file like so:

===============================================
Wednesday, December 6, 2006 4:58:05 AM
===============================================
Job File: 12-06_05;57;45 AM_test.txt
--
Name: Jay Young
Dept: PSD


===============================================
Wednesday, December 6, 2006 4:58:05 AM
===============================================
Job File: 12-06_05;57;45 AM_test.txt
--
Name: Jay Young
Dept: PSD

===============================================
Wednesday, December 6, 2006 4:58:05 AM
===============================================
Job File: 12-06_05;57;45 AM_test.txt
--
Name: Jay Young
Dept: PSD





I then opened 
this new file up in pico and found this:

===============================================
Wednesday, December 6, 2006 4:58:05 AM
===============================================
Job File: 12-06_05;57;45 AM_test.txt
--
Name: Jay Young
Dept: PSD


===============================================^MWednesday, December 6, 
2006 4:58:05 AM^M===============================================^MJob 
File: 12-06_05;57;45 AM_test.txt^M--^MName: Jay Young^MDept: PSD^M^M===
============================================^MWednesday, December 6, 
2006 4:58:05 AM^M===============================================^MJob 
File: 12-06_05;57;45 AM_test.txt^M--^MName: Jay Young^MDept: PSD



So it looks like my file is getting messed up somewhere!  This file is 
getting created on another mac by an Applescript using the "return" 
character (ASCII number 13).  Seems it's messing things up for me 
though.  Is there a way to change those ^M characters to \n and then 
loop thru each line?  These files can get huge thou
gh so I don't know of a good way about this.  Thanks again Andy for 
your incredible help!


djgoku, thanks for your replies too!  They're much appreciated!

Jay


From JYOUNG79 at kc.rr.com  Fri Dec  8 07:52:45 2006
From: JYOUNG79 at kc.rr.com (JYOUNG79 at kc.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 09:52:45 -0600
Subject: [Kc] return vs newline
Message-ID: <c76a88b213b47.13b47c76a88b2@rdc-kc.rr.com>

Andy, thanks for bringing up "$INPUT_RECORD_SEPARATOR".  That was the 
answer I needed.  I started looking at the perldoc info and found that 
if I change the newline to a carriage return like so:

$/ = "\r";

right before my while loop (while (<>) {... ) then it works perfectly 
with my file now!  I'm assuming that once the code is finished running 
that the input record separator switches back to it's default (\n)?

Thanks again for your help on this.  It's running great now!

Jay

From amoore at mooresystems.com  Fri Dec  8 08:41:31 2006
From: amoore at mooresystems.com (Andrew Moore)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 10:41:31 -0600
Subject: [Kc] return vs newline
In-Reply-To: <c76a88b213b47.13b47c76a88b2@rdc-kc.rr.com>
References: <c76a88b213b47.13b47c76a88b2@rdc-kc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20061208164131.GA3728@mooresystems.com>


On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 09:52:45AM -0600, JYOUNG79 at kc.rr.com wrote:
> Andy, thanks for bringing up "$INPUT_RECORD_SEPARATOR".  That was the 
> answer I needed. 

Glad it helped!

> I'm assuming that once the code is finished running 
> that the input record separator switches back to it's default (\n)?

Yep, it will go back to default after your program terminates. If you
need to to reset for something later in your code, you should save the
original value and reset it manually.

Frankly, I'm a little surprised that you have to do this. I thought
perl's "\n" was smart enough to know about this as long as you stay on
one single platform (even OSX). Oh well.

-Andy


From davidnicol at gmail.com  Fri Dec  8 12:25:48 2006
From: davidnicol at gmail.com (David Nicol)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 14:25:48 -0600
Subject: [Kc] return vs newline
In-Reply-To: <20061208164131.GA3728@mooresystems.com>
References: <c76a88b213b47.13b47c76a88b2@rdc-kc.rr.com>
	<20061208164131.GA3728@mooresystems.com>
Message-ID: <934f64a20612081225vad7cf74t6bea812542c2ee09@mail.gmail.com>

> Frankly, I'm a little surprised that you have to do this. I thought
> perl's "\n" was smart enough to know about this as long as you stay on
> one single platform (even OSX). Oh well.

perl for OSX might need to get revised slightly to use something like
  qr/\015|\012/
for the default newline character in order to gracefully deal with older
mac-style text.  I would alert apple support to this thread in our
archive:http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/kc/2006-December/000635.html

oh drat, never mind: according to perldoc perlvar,

              Remember: the value of $/ is a string, not a regex.  awk has to
               be better for something. :-)

so installing something flexible like that would mean altering that
basic fact.  So we've got, OSX is BSD which uses newline for end-of-line,
and legacy mac text needs to be treated on OSX as it would be treated
when writing on Linux or BSD or whatever.

Sorry to be making noise without signal here

Dave

From JYOUNG79 at kc.rr.com  Mon Dec 11 13:18:13 2006
From: JYOUNG79 at kc.rr.com (JYOUNG79 at kc.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:18:13 -0600
Subject: [Kc] pc perl droplet
Message-ID: <c531ab10128fc.128fcc531ab10@rdc-kc.rr.com>

Please forgive me for my total lack of knowledge with the pc platform.  
I'm curious though, is it possible to write a perl stand alone droplet 
for the pc that could run without perl being installed on that 
particular machine?

At the moment I've got an incredibly simple applescript for the mac 
platform - The user simply drags a file or folder on the droplet and 
then it puts the path (as a string) to that file/folder in the 
clipboard.  This way the user can paste the path to a particular file 
in their email, etc.

I'd like to do something similar on a pc but don't know where to go to 
find out how to do this.

Also, are you all meeting at Planet Sub tomorrow night?

Thanks.

Jay

From djgoku at gmail.com  Mon Dec 11 13:31:31 2006
From: djgoku at gmail.com (djgoku)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:31:31 -0600
Subject: [Kc] pc perl droplet
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References: <c531ab10128fc.128fcc531ab10@rdc-kc.rr.com>
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On 12/11/06, JYOUNG79 at kc.rr.com <JYOUNG79 at kc.rr.com> wrote:
> Please forgive me for my total lack of knowledge with the pc platform.
> I'm curious though, is it possible to write a perl stand alone droplet
> for the pc that could run without perl being installed on that
> particular machine?

Like create a standalone executable? If so, I heard that activestate
software can do this other wise I think you will have to wait for
Perl6. Though if anyone knows of another way I would be glad to know.

> Also, are you all meeting at Planet Sub tomorrow night?

I plan to be there!

From frank at wiles.org  Mon Dec 11 14:15:34 2006
From: frank at wiles.org (Frank Wiles)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:15:34 -0600
Subject: [Kc] pc perl droplet
In-Reply-To: <c531ab10128fc.128fcc531ab10@rdc-kc.rr.com>
References: <c531ab10128fc.128fcc531ab10@rdc-kc.rr.com>
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On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:18:13 -0600
JYOUNG79 at kc.rr.com wrote:

> Please forgive me for my total lack of knowledge with the pc
> platform. I'm curious though, is it possible to write a perl stand
> alone droplet for the pc that could run without perl being installed
> on that particular machine?
> 
> At the moment I've got an incredibly simple applescript for the mac 
> platform - The user simply drags a file or folder on the droplet and 
> then it puts the path (as a string) to that file/folder in the 
> clipboard.  This way the user can paste the path to a particular file 
> in their email, etc.
> 
> I'd like to do something similar on a pc but don't know where to go
> to find out how to do this.
> 
> Also, are you all meeting at Planet Sub tomorrow night?

   You've going to want to look into PAR on CPAN.  It helps you
   package up an application for distribution in a number of ways. 

   However, I think you need to have Perl itself installed on the 
   system.  But again, you can abstract that way with your own
   installer.  

   Another good place to look is at SlimDevices.com, they not
   only sell a great product, but their software is Open Source and
   written in Perl.  They have it setup so it is brain dead easy to
   install on Windows, Mac, and Linux.  If I were going to try to
   distribute something on Windows I would certainly be taking
   some cues from them. 

 ---------------------------------
   Frank Wiles <frank at wiles.org>
   http://www.wiles.org
 ---------------------------------


From scratchcomputing at gmail.com  Mon Dec 11 17:19:37 2006
From: scratchcomputing at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:19:37 -0800
Subject: [Kc] pc perl droplet
In-Reply-To: <20061211161534.d89ec1dd.frank@wiles.org>
References: <c531ab10128fc.128fcc531ab10@rdc-kc.rr.com>
	<20061211161534.d89ec1dd.frank@wiles.org>
Message-ID: <200612111719.37374.ewilhelm@cpan.org>

# from Frank Wiles
# on Monday 11 December 2006 02:15 pm:

>? ?You've going to want to look into PAR on CPAN. ?It helps you
>? ?package up an application for distribution in a number of ways.
>
>? ?However, I think you need to have Perl itself installed on the
>? ?system. ?But again, you can abstract that way with your own
>? ?installer.

You can also use 'pp' (PAR::Packager iirc) to create a standalone 
executable which contains perl and any dll dependencies.  We've been 
doing this with dotReader (http://dotreader.com) and having no troubles 
despite the fact that we're bundling all of the wx libs.  It is, 
however a bit large and slow -- about 15s the first time out and maybe 
5 after that, but this is due to the size of the zip file (pp just 
makes a zip exe.)  We want to be able to distribute it without an 
installer, so we'll probably dig into breaking parts into separate, 
smaller par files.  In your case, just installing perl somewhere might 
be easier/faster.

--Eric
-- 
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Moving pianos are dangerous.
Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo.
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From JYOUNG79 at kc.rr.com  Tue Dec 12 08:38:29 2006
From: JYOUNG79 at kc.rr.com (JYOUNG79 at kc.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:38:29 -0600
Subject: [Kc] pc perl droplet
In-Reply-To: <20061211161534.d89ec1dd.frank@wiles.org>
References: <c531ab10128fc.128fcc531ab10@rdc-kc.rr.com>
	<20061211161534.d89ec1dd.frank@wiles.org>
Message-ID: <c55de63f121c0.121c0c55de63f@rdc-kc.rr.com>

I really appreciate everyone's input on this!  I've been looking into a 
few of these and am still a bit lost (for example, I downloaded a free 
version of ActiveState and installed it but can't figure out how the 
heck to use it or create a droplet with it.  I'm assuming I need to 
purchase software for it to work like I'm wanting?).  If it's cool I'd 
like to ask some questions about this stuff at the meeting tonight.

Thanks again for your help with this stuff.

Jay

----- Original Message -----
From: Frank Wiles <frank at wiles.org>
Date: Monday, December 11, 2006 4:17 pm
Subject: Re: [Kc] pc perl droplet
To: JYOUNG79 at kc.rr.com
Cc: kc at pm.org

> On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:18:13 -0600
> JYOUNG79 at kc.rr.com wrote:
> 
> > Please forgive me for my total lack of knowledge with the pc
> > platform. I'm curious though, is it possible to write a perl stand
> > alone droplet for the pc that could run without perl being 
installed
> > on that particular machine?
> > 
> > At the moment I've got an
 incredibly simple applescript for the 
> mac 
> > platform - The user simply drags a file or folder on the droplet 
> and 
> > then it puts the path (as a string) to that file/folder in the 
> > clipboard.  This way the user can paste the path to a particular 
> file 
> > in their email, etc.
> > 
> > I'd like to do something similar on a pc but don't know where to go
> > to find out how to do this.
> > 
> > Also, are you all meeting at Planet Sub tomorrow night?
> 
>   You've going to want to look into PAR on CPAN.  It helps you
>   package up an application for distribution in a number of ways. 
> 
>   However, I think you need to have Perl itself installed on the 
>   system.  But again, you can abstract that way with your own
>   installer.  
> 
>   Another good place to look is at SlimDevices.com, they not
>   only sell a great product, but their software is Open Source and
>   written in Perl.  They have it setup so it is brain dead easy to
>   install on Windows, Mac,
 and Linux.  If I were going to try to
>   distribute something on Windows I would certainly be taking
>   some cues from them. 
> 
> ---------------------------------
>   Frank Wiles <frank at wiles.org>
>   http://www.wiles.org
> ---------------------------------
> 

From djgoku at gmail.com  Tue Dec 12 08:50:29 2006
From: djgoku at gmail.com (djgoku)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:50:29 -0600
Subject: [Kc] pc perl droplet
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References: <c531ab10128fc.128fcc531ab10@rdc-kc.rr.com>
	<20061211161534.d89ec1dd.frank@wiles.org>
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On 12/12/06, JYOUNG79 at kc.rr.com <JYOUNG79 at kc.rr.com> wrote:
> I really appreciate everyone's input on this!  I've been looking into a
> few of these and am still a bit lost (for example, I downloaded a free
> version of ActiveState and installed it but can't figure out how the
> heck to use it or create a droplet with it.  I'm assuming I need to
> purchase software for it to work like I'm wanting?).  If it's cool I'd
> like to ask some questions about this stuff at the meeting tonight.

How to use perl from ActiveState?

Start->Run->cmd

c:\>perl script.pl

Installing modules:

Start->Run->cmd

c:\>ppm

Is this the droplet you speak of:
"And, because MacPerl is optimized for use under Mac OS, you can use
it to create "droplets", Perl applications that support the Mac OS
"drag and drop" protocol."

From davidnicol at gmail.com  Tue Dec 12 10:33:09 2006
From: davidnicol at gmail.com (David Nicol)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:33:09 -0600
Subject: [Kc] Fwd: Newsletter from O'Reilly UG Program, December 11
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References: <LYRIS-6622599-35657-2006.12.11-17.09.41--kcpm-moderate#davidnicol.com@newsletter.oreilly.com>
Message-ID: <934f64a20612121033p6510c64boe1068ccd495e18d4@mail.gmail.com>

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whole flock aflutter.

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From amoore at mooresystems.com  Tue Dec 12 11:28:07 2006
From: amoore at mooresystems.com (Andrew Moore)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:28:07 -0600
Subject: [Kc] KC Perl Mongers meeting tonight 7pm at Planet Sub
Message-ID: <20061212192807.GA2742@mooresystems.com>


Although I won't be able to make it tonight, it sounds to me like a
couple of people are interested in meeting tonight. I guess that will
be at 7pm at Planet Sub at 50th & Main in KCMO.

Some topics that will probably come up:

* stand-alone perl apps on windows using PAR or other methods
* What's up with \n and line-endings on MacOS?
* netflix prize?
* meeting location change?

Have fun, and try to recall what you talk about so that someone can
post a meeting notes email to the list.

Thanks!
-Andy










From djgoku at gmail.com  Tue Dec 12 21:58:48 2006
From: djgoku at gmail.com (djgoku)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:58:48 -0600
Subject: [Kc] December Meeting Notes
Message-ID: <99dd19c90612122158l369dc2a4l5e635fcf3b0e24ea@mail.gmail.com>

Topics:

* ActiveState Perl on a Mac + PPM
* pre/post increment/decrement
* Mac backup software
* DeCSS

I think I may have missed some.

From djgoku at gmail.com  Tue Dec 12 22:16:58 2006
From: djgoku at gmail.com (djgoku)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 00:16:58 -0600
Subject: [Kc] pc perl droplet
In-Reply-To: <99dd19c90612120850r4c4b8bdat4c4435d15a5d3c50@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c531ab10128fc.128fcc531ab10@rdc-kc.rr.com>
	<20061211161534.d89ec1dd.frank@wiles.org>
	<c55de63f121c0.121c0c55de63f@rdc-kc.rr.com>
	<99dd19c90612120850r4c4b8bdat4c4435d15a5d3c50@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <99dd19c90612122216l2fd9eecewd3a1a0acc4124e74@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/12/06, djgoku <djgoku at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/12/06, JYOUNG79 at kc.rr.com <JYOUNG79 at kc.rr.com> wrote:
> > I really appreciate everyone's input on this!  I've been looking into a
> > few of these and am still a bit lost (for example, I downloaded a free
> > version of ActiveState and installed it but can't figure out how the
> > heck to use it or create a droplet with it.  I'm assuming I need to
> > purchase software for it to work like I'm wanting?).  If it's cool I'd
> > like to ask some questions about this stuff at the meeting tonight.

ActiveState Perl on a Mac is a bit weird.

For PPM on the Mac:

Open Terminal -> and type ppm you should get something like this:
$ ppm
-bash: ppm: command not found

# Now try PPM after the below command
$ export PATH=/usr/local/ActivePerl-5.8/bin:$PATH

YAY!

Some linkage:
http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/docs/ActivePerl/5.8/install.html#os%20x%20prerequisites

From djgoku at gmail.com  Wed Dec 13 08:20:47 2006
From: djgoku at gmail.com (djgoku)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:20:47 -0600
Subject: [Kc] pc perl droplet
In-Reply-To: <99dd19c90612122216l2fd9eecewd3a1a0acc4124e74@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c531ab10128fc.128fcc531ab10@rdc-kc.rr.com>
	<20061211161534.d89ec1dd.frank@wiles.org>
	<c55de63f121c0.121c0c55de63f@rdc-kc.rr.com>
	<99dd19c90612120850r4c4b8bdat4c4435d15a5d3c50@mail.gmail.com>
	<99dd19c90612122216l2fd9eecewd3a1a0acc4124e74@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <99dd19c90612130820k45c7f501q26838308886c4299@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/12/06, djgoku <djgoku at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/12/06, JYOUNG79 at kc.rr.com <JYOUNG79 at kc.rr.com> wrote:
> > I really appreciate everyone's input on this!  I've been looking into a
> > few of these and am still a bit lost (for example, I downloaded a free
> > version of ActiveState and installed it but can't figure out how the
> > heck to use it or create a droplet with it.  I'm assuming I need to
> > purchase software for it to work like I'm wanting?).  If it's cool I'd
> > like to ask some questions about this stuff at the meeting tonight.

ActiveState Perl on a Mac is a bit weird.

For PPM on the Mac:

Open Terminal -> and type ppm you should get something like this:
$ ppm
-bash: ppm: command not found

# Now try PPM after the below command
$ export PATH=/usr/local/ActivePerl-5.8/bin:$PATH

YAY!

Some linkage:
http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/docs/ActivePerl/5.8/install.html#os%20x%20prerequisites

From djgoku at gmail.com  Wed Dec 13 09:55:57 2006
From: djgoku at gmail.com (djgoku)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:55:57 -0600
Subject: [Kc] Fwd: [perl #41081] [RESOLVED] KCPM
In-Reply-To: <rt-3.6.HEAD-1683-1166032016-263.41081-57-0@perl.org>
References: <rt-3.6.HEAD-1683-1166032016-263.41081-57-0@perl.org>
Message-ID: <99dd19c90612130955s2b43ec3erc7074695fadd48be@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Robert via RT <support at pm.org>
Date: Dec 13, 2006 11:46 AM
Subject: [perl #41081] [RESOLVED] KCPM
To: djgoku at gmail.com


According to our records, your request regarding
  "KCPM"
has been resolved.


YAY the list is back up!

From djgoku at gmail.com  Wed Dec 13 09:57:59 2006
From: djgoku at gmail.com (djgoku)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:57:59 -0600
Subject: [Kc] pc perl droplet
In-Reply-To: <99dd19c90612130820k45c7f501q26838308886c4299@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c531ab10128fc.128fcc531ab10@rdc-kc.rr.com>
	<20061211161534.d89ec1dd.frank@wiles.org>
	<c55de63f121c0.121c0c55de63f@rdc-kc.rr.com>
	<99dd19c90612120850r4c4b8bdat4c4435d15a5d3c50@mail.gmail.com>
	<99dd19c90612122216l2fd9eecewd3a1a0acc4124e74@mail.gmail.com>
	<99dd19c90612130820k45c7f501q26838308886c4299@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <99dd19c90612130957p4a6da024o4e820cdacb6c59e2@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/13/06, djgoku <djgoku at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/12/06, djgoku <djgoku at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 12/12/06, JYOUNG79 at kc.rr.com <JYOUNG79 at kc.rr.com> wrote:
> > > I really appreciate everyone's input on this!  I've been looking into a
> > > few of these and am still a bit lost (for example, I downloaded a free
> > > version of ActiveState and installed it but can't figure out how the
> > > heck to use it or create a droplet with it.  I'm assuming I need to
> > > purchase software for it to work like I'm wanting?).  If it's cool I'd
> > > like to ask some questions about this stuff at the meeting tonight.
>
> ActiveState Perl on a Mac is a bit weird.
>
> For PPM on the Mac:
>
> Open Terminal -> and type ppm you should get something like this:
> $ ppm
> -bash: ppm: command not found
>
> # Now try PPM after the below command
> $ export PATH=/usr/local/ActivePerl-5.8/bin:$PATH
>
> YAY!
>
> Some linkage:
> http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/docs/ActivePerl/5.8/install.html#os%20x%20prerequisites

Sorry for the double post, there was some issue (I was testing to make
sure it just wasn't me.) that was resolved by pm.org!

From darylvf at gmail.com  Thu Dec 14 12:20:23 2006
From: darylvf at gmail.com (Daryl Fallin)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:20:23 -0600
Subject: [Kc] repeating \t TAB in print statement?
Message-ID: <f7a846090612141220t7392a947k143cc6dc41a6bc16@mail.gmail.com>

This is a totally newbie question, but I am doing a recursive
subroutine and I would like to print  a tab (\t) for each recursion
into the subroutine.

I thought something like print ("\t{$level} $rest $of $mydata"); would work.

Thanks for the help.

- daryl

From frank at wiles.org  Thu Dec 14 12:29:29 2006
From: frank at wiles.org (Frank Wiles)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:29:29 -0600
Subject: [Kc] repeating \t TAB in print statement?
In-Reply-To: <f7a846090612141220t7392a947k143cc6dc41a6bc16@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f7a846090612141220t7392a947k143cc6dc41a6bc16@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20061214142929.a3c4ad32.frank@wiles.org>

On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:20:23 -0600
"Daryl Fallin" <darylvf at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is a totally newbie question, but I am doing a recursive
> subroutine and I would like to print  a tab (\t) for each recursion
> into the subroutine.
> 
> I thought something like print ("\t{$level} $rest $of $mydata");
> would work.

   You're looking for something like this: 

   print "\t" x $level . "$rest $of $mydata"; 

   The construct "x" tells print to repeat the previous part $level
   times. 

   Hope that helps. 

 ---------------------------------
   Frank Wiles <frank at wiles.org>
   http://www.wiles.org
 ---------------------------------


From darylvf at gmail.com  Thu Dec 14 12:36:52 2006
From: darylvf at gmail.com (Daryl Fallin)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:36:52 -0600
Subject: [Kc] repeating \t TAB in print statement?
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	<20061214142929.a3c4ad32.frank@wiles.org>
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Awesome.  That worked perfectly.

Thank You!

On 12/14/06, Frank Wiles <frank at wiles.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:20:23 -0600
> "Daryl Fallin" <darylvf at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This is a totally newbie question, but I am doing a recursive
> > subroutine and I would like to print  a tab (\t) for each recursion
> > into the subroutine.
> >
> > I thought something like print ("\t{$level} $rest $of $mydata");
> > would work.
>
>    You're looking for something like this:
>
>    print "\t" x $level . "$rest $of $mydata";
>
>    The construct "x" tells print to repeat the previous part $level
>    times.
>
>    Hope that helps.
>
>  ---------------------------------
>    Frank Wiles <frank at wiles.org>
>    http://www.wiles.org
>  ---------------------------------
>
>

From davidnicol at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 11:56:42 2006
From: davidnicol at gmail.com (David Nicol)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 13:56:42 -0600
Subject: [Kc] repeating \t TAB in print statement?
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Here is some sugar that will not mess up your clear result-print
line with obscure syntax, by hiding it elsewhere:

use Tie::Function 0.01;
tie my %indent, Tie::Function => sub{"\t"x$_[0]};
...
print "$indent{$level} $rest $of $mydata";


On 12/14/06, Daryl Fallin <darylvf at gmail.com> wrote:
> I thought something like print ("\t{$level} $rest $of $mydata"); would work.

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