From wcjones at exchange.fccj.org Sun Jul 1 22:27:41 2001 From: wcjones at exchange.fccj.org (JONES, WILLIAM C) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:47 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] RE: Newsletter #1 from O'Reilly UG Program Message-ID: <2E9A9FBD3ED4C74093261F49BDE1D43C0A1392@fccj-mail-01.fccj.org> On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er "JONES, WILLIAM C" wrote - I'll let you know if anything pops into my brain - at the moment it is pretty much just MUSH :( I did CC the Jax.PM list - may they want to say stuff? HTH/Bill :) -----Original Message----- From: Denise Olliffe To: bill@fccj.org Sent: 6/28/2001 3:41 PM Subject: Newsletter #1 from O'Reilly UG Program O'Reilly User Group Program NEWSLETTER Volume 1, #1 www.oreilly.com Until now, I sent random announcements as news or books were released. After consideration, I've decided to consolidate the information I send, by weekly newsletter, so that you are aware of all things O'Reilly & beyond, and the technologies we cover. 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Wednesday, Microsoft announced that it will be releasing shared source implementations of the .NET Common Language Infrastructure (CLI), C# compiler, and ECMAscript compiler for both Windows and FreeBSD. The license will be considerably more liberal than the shared source license previously announced for Windows. Availability is expected in the fourth quarter. Tim OReillys exclusive interview with Dave Stutz, the group program manager for the project, has just been published on the O'Reilly Network: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/dotnet/2001/06/27/dotnet.html CALL FOR PAPERS: PRESENTERS WANTED FOR THE FIRST O'REILLY BIOINFORMATICS CONFERENCE January 28-31, 2002, La Paloma Resort in Tucson, ArizonaL: http://conferences.oreilly.com/biocon/cfp.html I'm searching for Bioinformatics UGs...if you know of one, please tell them about O'Reilly's UG Program: http://ug.oreilly.com/ For those who have gone beyond basic Linux security principles, here's the first of a three-part series which delves deeper. On O'Reilly Network's Linux DevCenter, Carl Constantine covers tools and techniques that system administrators can use to protect their networks, including discussion of nmap, Ethereal, and how to set up honey pots: Tools of the Trade: Part 1 by Carl Constantine * June 22, 2001 http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2001/06/22/linux_security.html Gates: Open source GPL is 'Pac-Man-like' Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates plunges into the ongoing open-source tussle, saying "there are problems for commercial users" with the General Public License http://www.zdnet.com/enterprise/stories/linux/0,12249,5092935,00.html "Peer-to-peer is a side effect of the increased availability of ubiquitous networking," says Tim O'Reilly--in this zdnet.com article on P2P at: http://www.zdnet.com/intweek/stories/news/0,4164,2773793,00.html P2P Mind Share-The new peer-to-peer architectures may not be pure P2P, but they will offer a return on investment: http://www.internetworld.com/061501/06.15.01ebusiness1.jsp Come to the O'Reilly Peer-to-Peer conference and hear more from Tim and industry leaders shaping the future of P2P: http://conferences.oreilly.com/p2p/ Information wants to be valuable... 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Tim sees many parallels between the work of free software authors and the work of scientists, pointing out that both are more interested in making sure their work is disseminated than in maximizing their return. http://www.nature.com/nature/debates/e-access/Articles/oreilly.html ...and Tim explains to the New York Times why he thinks software programs should be like water: Free and Transparent. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/13/technology/13HAFN.html Wall Street Journal columnist Lee Gomes writes that Microsoft has continued to use open source software in several majorproducts, despite denying the practice and mounting an anti-open-source campaign. http://public.wsj.com/news/hmc/sb992819157437237260.htm Come hear Microsoft senior vice president Craig Mundie debate open source leaders July 26 at the O'Reilly Open Source Convention: http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/ Also...What would you ask him? Mundie recently raised the ire of the open source community. Here's your chance to put your questions to him: http://oreilly.com/news/mundie_0601.html Linux Device Drivers--In this interview on O'Reilly's Linux DevCenter, Jonathan Corbet talks about the current state of Linux device drivers, where he thinks they're going in the future, and the open source development process. Jonathan is coauthor of O'Reilly's upcoming Linux Device Drivers, 2nd Edition. http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2001/06/08/drivers_update.html Jonathan Corbet also responds to the five best reader questions about developing device drivers for Linux at: http://linux.oreilly.com/news/lddans_0601.html "O'Reilly and .NET?" With all of our upcoming books and article coverage on .NET, you might ask yourself why O'Reilly, as a known supporter of open source, is spending resources explaining Microsoft technology. Dale Dougherty has the answer: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/dotnet/2001/05/31/netdevletter.html It's undeniable: XML-RPC is hot. 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If you register before the "Early Bird" discounts end, you'll save the 20% on already discounted "Early Bird" prices. ******************* QUESTIONS for you ******************* Please take the time to answer the following questions. The answers will help me to produce the type of newsletter you'd like to see from O'Reilly: Would you prefer the news be broken down by interest or does this all-in-one format work for you? Is there anything you'd like to hear about from O'Reilly, that we aren't currently sending? Review copies are available of all our titles. Does your group review books? If yes, do you find the "New Titles" information helpful? If you have any helpful suggestions, feel free to pass them along. If your UG has an announcement that you'd like my help communicating to other groups, let me know. I'm happy to include the info in an upcoming newsletter. 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From jproctor at oit.umass.edu Sun Jul 1 23:29:01 2001 From: jproctor at oit.umass.edu (j proctor) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:47 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] RE: Newsletter #1 from O'Reilly UG Program In-Reply-To: <2E9A9FBD3ED4C74093261F49BDE1D43C0A1392@fccj-mail-01.fccj.org> Message-ID: On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er j proctor wrote - > I'll let you know if anything pops into my brain - at the moment it is > pretty much just MUSH :( Not MUD, MOO, or MUX? Just MUSH? TinyMUSH? Which one? :) > I did CC the Jax.PM list - may they want to say stuff? I like the format of the weekly UG newsletter. My concern at this point is that I'll get several copies each week, along with my own when I launch my coup to take control of PioneerValley.PM in August. To date, I've been to lazy to set up pre-filtering on my email. Maybe it'll be time to start. j Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From wcjones at exchange.fccj.org Mon Jul 2 08:16:00 2001 From: wcjones at exchange.fccj.org (JONES, WILLIAM C) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:47 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] RE: Newsletter #1 from O'Reilly UG Program Message-ID: <2E9A9FBD3ED4C74093261F49BDE1D43C0A1397@fccj-mail-01.fccj.org> On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er "JONES, WILLIAM C" wrote - Yes, filtering is a good thing - especially on OUT-GOING mail (one day I promise to take spelling and grammer classes again!) I should have said it's turning into Superstrings and Hadrons :) After studying Apache/Tomcat/Perl/Mod_Perl I feel like someone hit me with 10x21eV :) If you start YAPM group you must recieve 50 lashes with the strings of interpolation for being so stew-pid and acting the way a Dee-Dee would in such a situ-ation :) (I've got to stop watching Dexter's Laboratory...) Sx :] -----Original Message----- From: j proctor To: Jax Perl Mongers Sent: 7/2/2001 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [JaxPM] RE: Newsletter #1 from O'Reilly UG Program > I did CC the Jax.PM list - may they want to say stuff? I like the format of the weekly UG newsletter. My concern at this point is that I'll get several copies each week, along with my own when I launch my coup to take control of PioneerValley.PM in August. To date, I've been to lazy to set up pre-filtering on my email. Maybe it'll be time to start. Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From wcjones at exchange.fccj.org Mon Jul 2 08:19:53 2001 From: wcjones at exchange.fccj.org (JONES, WILLIAM C) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:47 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] RE: Newsletter #1 from O'Reilly UG Program Message-ID: <2E9A9FBD3ED4C74093261F49BDE1D43C0A1399@fccj-mail-01.fccj.org> On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er "JONES, WILLIAM C" wrote - I guess it's a 'good thing(tm)' that I'm not responding with Unreal Tournament catch phrases... :| Sx -----Original Message----- From: JONES, WILLIAM C If you start YAPM group you must recieve 50 lashes with the strings of interpolation for being so stew-pid and acting the way a Dee-Dee would in such a situ-ation :) Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From wcjones at exchange.fccj.org Mon Jul 2 08:24:49 2001 From: wcjones at exchange.fccj.org (JONES, WILLIAM C) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:47 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] FW: 24 Hours of use Perl Headlines For sneex Message-ID: <2E9A9FBD3ED4C74093261F49BDE1D43C0A139B@fccj-mail-01.fccj.org> On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er "JONES, WILLIAM C" wrote - -----Original Message----- From: pudge@perl.org To: sneex@fccj.org Sent: 6/29/2001 1:07 AM Subject: 24 Hours of use Perl Headlines For sneex use Perl Daily Headline Mailer Extended TPC Early Registration posted by pudge on Thursday June 28, @23:11 (events) http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=01/06/28/2311250 YAPC::America 2001 Reports posted by pudge on Thursday June 28, @15:23 (yapc) http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=01/06/28/1532245 The Perl Jobs site, now even better posted by pudge on Thursday June 28, @11:56 (news) http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=01/06/28/1156238 You are getting this message because you subscribed to it. If you want to unsubscribe from this, go to http://use.perl.org/users.pl You can login as "sneex" and disable the mailing from there. Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From jproctor at oit.umass.edu Mon Jul 2 09:13:08 2001 From: jproctor at oit.umass.edu (j proctor) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:47 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] RE: Newsletter #1 from O'Reilly UG Program In-Reply-To: <2E9A9FBD3ED4C74093261F49BDE1D43C0A1397@fccj-mail-01.fccj.org> Message-ID: On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er j proctor wrote - > Yes, filtering is a good thing - especially on OUT-GOING mail (one day I > promise to take spelling and grammer classes again!) Good thing. Then you'd notice "grammar". :) > I should have said it's turning into Superstrings and Hadrons :) After > studying Apache/Tomcat/Perl/Mod_Perl I feel like someone hit me with 10x21eV Tomcat is evil. I've got it going (with mod_perl *and* mod_php) on one of my machines. For some reason, that particular instance of httpd is uh... less than stable. 210 eV? Doesn't sound like very much. 10^21 eV (= 160 J)? Maybe you meant 1.21 GW? > If you start YAPM group you must recieve 50 lashes with the strings of > interpolation for being so stew-pid and acting the way a Dee-Dee would in > such a situ-ation :) Well, the list has existed for a couple years now, and there's only ever been one message on it. And it was from me. I know from talking to the local LUG and others who have to drive to Hartford or Boston to be sociable in Perl that there's some interest, but the person who's running it isn't very good about answering emails and such. > (I've got to stop watching Dexter's Laboratory...) Don't push the button! j Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From wcjones at exchange.fccj.org Tue Jul 3 10:22:14 2001 From: wcjones at exchange.fccj.org (JONES, WILLIAM C) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:47 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] FW: 24 Hours of use Perl Headlines For sneex Message-ID: <2E9A9FBD3ED4C74093261F49BDE1D43C0A13CE@fccj-mail-01.fccj.org> On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er "JONES, WILLIAM C" wrote - > ---------- > From: pudge@perl.org > Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2001 1:06 AM > To: sneex@fccj.org > Subject: 24 Hours of use Perl Headlines For sneex > > use Perl Daily Headline Mailer > > > > > language-dev implementation mailing list > > posted by ziggy on Monday July 02, @14:02 (parrot) > http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=01/07/02/142236 > > Perl Leads Sun Web Client Survey > > posted by KM on Monday July 02, @12:23 (links) > http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=01/07/02/1225218 > > You are getting this message because you subscribed to it. > If you want to unsubscribe from this, go to > http://use.perl.org/users.pl > You can login as "sneex" and disable the mailing from there. > > Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. 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From wcjones at exchange.fccj.org Wed Jul 4 18:53:47 2001 From: wcjones at exchange.fccj.org (JONES, WILLIAM C) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:47 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] FW: Perl.com Newsletter: People Behind Perl Message-ID: <2E9A9FBD3ED4C74093261F49BDE1D43C0A13DC@fccj-mail-01.fccj.org> On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er "JONES, WILLIAM C" wrote - Happy July 4th! -Sneex- :] -----Original Message----- From: Perl Newsletter To: Perl Newsletter Sent: 7/3/2001 5:44 PM Subject: Perl.com Newsletter: People Behind Perl www.perl.com update -------------------------------------- The Email for www.perl.com Subscribers ============================================================== The 3rd O'Reilly Open Source Convention, July 23-27, 2001 Sheraton San Diego Hotel and Marina Fueling the Open Source Alternative The Perl Conference 5, XTech2001 Conference on XML (in association with GCA), the 8th Tcl/Tk Conference, the 1st Conference on PHP - 14 tracks keep you informed on the latest innovations - http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/ ============================================================== Hello, world. This is Simon Cozens, www.perl.com managing editor, bringing you the latest goings on from the world of Perl and our own site. * Perl at large. Well, it looks like I've been making the news this week with the language-dev list, so maybe I should tell you about that... Remember Parrot, the April Fool's Joke, where I had Perl and Python joining forces to create a new language? Well, there was a serious side to that little prank. I recognised that the developer communities in both languages came up against the same problems and discussed a lot of the same issues; this would become especially important as people started developing Perl 6 and Python 3000. As a result, I set up the language-dev mailing list to encourage collaboration between programming language implementors. See the whole story on my weblog: http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/440 And speaking of Perl 6, the development marches onwards, with the near finalisation of another Perl Design Document. Unfortunately, we're not able to bring you another Apocalypse from Larry at the moment, as he's still having problems with his health and now networking problems are adding to the misery, but it'll be along soon - be assured that we'll bring it to you as soon as we have it! http://archive.develooper.com/perl6-internals%40perl.org/msg03260.html Finally, Sun is running a survey on its Solaris Developer Connection web site asking which language people use for "web-based client applications", whatever they may be. At point of writing, Perl is blowing away the opposition with 51.4%, with JSP (16%) and PHP (10%) the closest competitors. This may, however, have something to do with the poll being posted to use.perl... http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=01/07/02/1225218&mode=thread&threshol d= * What's new on www.perl.com? The Perl 5 Porters summary this week is back in my own hands, and features developments in module organisation and testing, a summary of Robin's fantastic work on B::Deparse, fixes and suggestions for Carp, Jeffrey Friedl's amazingly interesting regexp patch, as well as work on IBM 390 and UTS platforms and much, much more... http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2001/07/p5pdigest/20010702.html Bryan Warnock continues his fantastic work summarizing the Perl 6 mailing lists. As last week was not very busy, this summary covers the past fortnight, and brings talk of multiple inheritance, internal string APIs, and the astonishing fact that Perl doesn't suck after all. http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2001/07/p6pdigest/20010703.html This week, we begin a new series on perl.com; we're bringing you interviews with the "People Behind Perl" - some of the people from the legions of developers and supporters that do all the behind-the-scenes work to make Perl the invaluable tool we've come to expect. This week, I talk to Nathan Torkington, long-time Perl developer, co-author of the Perl Cookbook and, more recently, Perl 6 project manager. http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2001/07/03/nat.html Enjoy! SC ============================================================== Sponsored by Macromedia, Creators of ColdFusion Problems meeting tight deadlines? ColdFusion 4.5, the leading Web app server, has the solution with an integrated suite of visual tools, powerful server technology, and an open language environment. Download your FREE evaluation copy today at http://www.oreillynet.com/nlr/network/04/allaire/coldfusion ============================================================== *** This Week's Features *** People Behind Perl: Nathan Torkington So you use Perl, and you probably know that it was brought to you by "Larry Wall and a cast of thousands". But do you know these people that make up the Perl development team? Simon Cozens talks to Nathan Torkington, a long-time Perl developer and a mainstay of the Perl community. http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2001/07/03/nat.html *** Why Not Translate Perl to C? Mark-Jason Dominus explains why it might not be any faster to convert your code to a C program rather than let the Perl interpreter execute it. http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2001/06/27/ctoperl.html *** Yet Another YAPC Report::Montreal Schuyler Erle gives a detailed report of all the exciting events at this year's Yet Another Perl Conference in Montreal. By his account, it appears to be an exciting time to be involved with the development of Perl. http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2001/06/21/yapcreport.html *** Parse::RecDescent Tutorial Parse::RecDescent is a recursive descent parser generator designed to help Perl programmers who need to deal with any sort of structured data, from configuration files to mail headers to almost anything. It's even been used to parse other programming languages for conversion to Perl. Jeff Goff explains what Parse::RecDescent does, how to build up grammars, and how to use Parse::RecDescent in your programs. http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2001/06/13/recdecent.html Sister Sites: --------------------------------- O'Reilly Network http://www.oreillynet.com The Source for Open and Emerging Technologies. XML.com http://xml.com/ XML from the Inside Out. ONLamp.com http://onlamp.com O'Reilly Network's High-Performance Web Development Site. 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From wcjones at exchange.fccj.org Fri Jul 6 11:30:50 2001 From: wcjones at exchange.fccj.org (JONES, WILLIAM C) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:47 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] FW: 24 Hours of use Perl Headlines For sneex Message-ID: <2E9A9FBD3ED4C74093261F49BDE1D43C0A1406@fccj-mail-01.fccj.org> On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er "JONES, WILLIAM C" wrote - Updates: > ---------- > From: pudge@perl.org > Sent: Friday, July 6, 2001 1:05 AM > To: sneex@fccj.org > Subject: 24 Hours of use Perl Headlines For sneex > > use Perl Daily Headline Mailer > > > > > Lightning Talks at TPC 5 > > posted by pudge on Thursday July 05, @17:05 (events) > http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=01/07/05/1710216 > > You are getting this message because you subscribed to it. > If you want to unsubscribe from this, go to > http://use.perl.org/users.pl > You can login as "sneex" and disable the mailing from there. > > Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. 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From wcjones at exchange.fccj.org Sat Jul 7 05:04:05 2001 From: wcjones at exchange.fccj.org (JONES, WILLIAM C) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:47 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] FW: 24 Hours of use Perl Headlines For sneex Message-ID: <2E9A9FBD3ED4C74093261F49BDE1D43C0A140C@fccj-mail-01.fccj.org> On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er "JONES, WILLIAM C" wrote - -----Original Message----- From: pudge@perl.org To: sneex@fccj.org Sent: 7/7/2001 1:09 AM Subject: 24 Hours of use Perl Headlines For sneex use Perl Daily Headline Mailer YAPC::Europe Schedule Now Online posted by KM on Friday July 06, @17:39 (yapce) http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=01/07/06/1740236 Perl Porters Impressions Night posted by pudge on Friday July 06, @15:29 (events) http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=01/07/06/1529215 TPJ to be published by CMP posted by pudge on Friday July 06, @11:28 (links) http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=01/07/06/1135222 You are getting this message because you subscribed to it. 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From wcjones at exchange.fccj.org Mon Jul 9 07:03:39 2001 From: wcjones at exchange.fccj.org (JONES, WILLIAM C) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:47 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] FW: 24 Hours of use Perl Headlines For sneex Message-ID: <2E9A9FBD3ED4C74093261F49BDE1D43C0A141A@fccj-mail-01.fccj.org> On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er "JONES, WILLIAM C" wrote - FYI - Sx :] -----Original Message----- From: pudge@perl.org To: sneex@fccj.org Sent: 7/9/2001 1:05 AM Subject: 24 Hours of use Perl Headlines For sneex use Perl Daily Headline Mailer MacPerl 5.6.1a3 Released posted by pudge on Sunday July 08, @20:18 (releases) http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=01/07/08/2020228 ActiveState Releases posted by pudge on Sunday July 08, @20:12 (activestate) http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=01/07/08/2018234 You are getting this message because you subscribed to it. If you want to unsubscribe from this, go to http://use.perl.org/users.pl You can login as "sneex" and disable the mailing from there. Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From wcjones at exchange.fccj.org Tue Jul 10 14:00:34 2001 From: wcjones at exchange.fccj.org (JONES, WILLIAM C) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:47 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] FW: [Announce] ActiveState ActiveCD July 2001 Edition - Now Shipp ing Message-ID: <2E9A9FBD3ED4C74093261F49BDE1D43C0A142F@fccj-mail-01.fccj.org> On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er "JONES, WILLIAM C" wrote - FYI - PS - As a side note - can anyone here in the jax, Fl area speak/e-mail the list about Perl related Jobs in this and surrounding area -- anything that you heard or know about? Thx/Sx :] PPS - No, I am not looking; but another Perl Monger is moving here and asked me about ti... > ---------- > From: Shantel Shave > Reply To: ShantelS@ActiveState.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 2:42 PM > To: announce@listserv.ActiveState.com > Subject: [Announce] ActiveState ActiveCD July 2001 Edition - Now > Shipping > > ActiveState is pleased to announce that the ActiveCD for Windows, Linux, > and > Solaris, July 2001 Edition is now shipping. > > The ActiveCD is available as an alternative to downloading the programming > tools and language distributions that are available on ASPN. 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The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From jproctor at oit.umass.edu Tue Jul 10 15:13:29 2001 From: jproctor at oit.umass.edu (j proctor) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:47 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] FW: [Announce] ActiveState ActiveCD July 2001 Edition - Now Shipp ing In-Reply-To: <2E9A9FBD3ED4C74093261F49BDE1D43C0A142F@fccj-mail-01.fccj.org> Message-ID: On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er j proctor wrote - > PS - As a side note - can anyone here in the jax, Fl area speak/e-mail the > list about Perl related Jobs in this and surrounding area -- anything that > you heard or know about? You keep assuming there are actually people in Jax on this list. :) If anyone hears of anything in western New England, btw, I'm looking, too. Don't think I'm gonna convince my wife to move away from the Vermont/New Hampshire/Western & Central Mass area, though. j Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From nate at campi.cc Tue Jul 10 18:30:07 2001 From: nate at campi.cc (Nate Campi) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:47 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] FW: [Announce] ActiveState ActiveCD July 2001 Edition - Now Shipp ing In-Reply-To: ; from jproctor@oit.umass.edu on Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 04:13:29PM -0400 References: <2E9A9FBD3ED4C74093261F49BDE1D43C0A142F@fccj-mail-01.fccj.org> Message-ID: <20010710163007.A325@campi.cc> On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er Nate Campi wrote - Does it count if I had a nightmare that I was back in the Navy in Jax again? I don't know if that qualifies me as being back in Jax, but darned if it didn't feel real ;) P.S. the horrible part wasn't being in Jax, don't get mad at me, the Navy was the horrible part. On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 04:13:29PM -0400, j proctor wrote: > On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er j proctor wrote - > > > > > PS - As a side note - can anyone here in the jax, Fl area speak/e-mail the > > list about Perl related Jobs in this and surrounding area -- anything that > > you heard or know about? > > You keep assuming there are actually people in Jax on this list. :) > > If anyone hears of anything in western New England, btw, I'm looking, too. > Don't think I'm gonna convince my wife to move away from the Vermont/New > Hampshire/Western & Central Mass area, though. > > > j > > > Jax.PM Moderator's Note: > This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. > The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org > to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... > -- Nate Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. 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From wcjones at exchange.fccj.org Wed Jul 11 15:04:46 2001 From: wcjones at exchange.fccj.org (JONES, WILLIAM C) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:48 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] FW: O'Reilly Raffling Pass to Peer-to-Peer Conference Message-ID: <2E9A9FBD3ED4C74093261F49BDE1D43C0A1463@fccj-mail-01.fccj.org> On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er "JONES, WILLIAM C" wrote - > ---------- > From: Denise Olliffe > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 4:04 PM > To: bill@fccj.org > Subject: O'Reilly Raffling Pass to Peer-to-Peer Conference > > Enter to win a pass to: > > THE O'REILLY PEER-TO-PEER & WEB SERVICES CONFERENCE > > Enter our raffle and your group* may win a pass to: > > The O'Reilly Peer-to-Peer & Web Services Conference > September 18-21, 2001, Washington, D.C. > http://conferences.oreilly.com/p2p/ > > The lucky winner will be given a three-day, conference session-only > pass* to attend the conference, September 19-21, valued at $1,595.00. > The winning pass includes: > > --Access to all conference sessions September 19-21 > --Access to evening social events > --Admission to Exhibit Hall > --All conference handouts > --Three breakfasts and two lunches (No lunch on Friday) > > *VERY IMPORTANT: > O'Reilly assumes that if your group is the lucky winner of this pass, > as the user group leader, you will distribute the winning pass to one > member of your group, using a method appropriate for your group > (drawing, raffle, etc.). > > Pass does not include tutorial fees, lodging or transportation. > > Please email your entry to: deniseo@oreilly.com. 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The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From wcjones at exchange.fccj.org Wed Jul 11 18:59:51 2001 From: wcjones at exchange.fccj.org (JONES, WILLIAM C) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:48 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] FW: Perl.com Newsletter: Symmetric Cryptography in Perl Message-ID: <2E9A9FBD3ED4C74093261F49BDE1D43C0A1467@fccj-mail-01.fccj.org> On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er "JONES, WILLIAM C" wrote - -----Original Message----- From: Perl Newsletter To: Perl Newsletter Sent: 7/11/2001 4:14 PM Subject: Perl.com Newsletter: Symmetric Cryptography in Perl www.perl.com update -------------------------------------- The Email for www.perl.com Subscribers ================================================================= Sponsored by NuSphere NuSphere MySQL Advantage delivers Enhanced MySQL to run your business. 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From wcjones at exchange.fccj.org Wed Jul 11 19:40:49 2001 From: wcjones at exchange.fccj.org (JONES, WILLIAM C) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:48 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] moochka Message-ID: <2E9A9FBD3ED4C74093261F49BDE1D43C0A1469@fccj-mail-01.fccj.org> On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er "JONES, WILLIAM C" wrote - Hi - We have lost another member - lack of job opportunities in Jax, Fl area :( We are now 13 strong... Sx Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From jproctor at oit.umass.edu Wed Jul 11 22:57:15 2001 From: jproctor at oit.umass.edu (j proctor) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:48 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] moochka In-Reply-To: <2E9A9FBD3ED4C74093261F49BDE1D43C0A1469@fccj-mail-01.fccj.org> Message-ID: On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er j proctor wrote - > We have lost another member - lack of job opportunities in Jax, Fl area :( Sad news, but what does job opportunities in Jax have to to with being a member of Jax.PM? It certainly hasn't stopped me or Nate or Steve or Greg who's moving there (unless it was he who abandoned us), or maybe the guy from Daytona who emailed a couple weeks ago, whose name I have forgotten (sorry!). Other than your daily headlines from use.perl.org, which we could go get for ourselves if we weren't lazy-asses, it's not like it's a high traffic list. Seems to be mostly the handful of us trading banter. > We are now 13 strong... 13 strong what? At least 30% of the group isn't even in Florida. :) A friend of mine once claimed that the community of Switzerland, just south of Jax for those that don't know the area, is proof that Jax will is actively but secretly annexing everything it can, in a bid to take over the world. j Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From greg at turnstep.com Wed Jul 11 22:57:09 2001 From: greg at turnstep.com (greg@turnstep.com) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:48 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] moochka In-Reply-To: References: <2E9A9FBD3ED4C74093261F49BDE1D43C0A1469@fccj-mail-01.fccj.org> Message-ID: <3B4CE7D5.10607.1AB5246@localhost> On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er greg@turnstep.com wrote - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Sad news, but what does job opportunities in Jax have to to > with being a member of Jax.PM? It certainly hasn't stopped me > or Nate or Steve or Greg who's moving there (unless it was he > who abandoned us) Nope! Why would I abandon this illustrious list right at the moment when am about to actually be in Jax?! :) I am surrounded by boxes, so please expect delays if you email me. By the way, my notes on YAPC (as asked) can be found at: http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=88272 Greg Sabino Mullane - ---------------------------------------------------------------- /~\ The ASCII \ / Ribbon Campaign *greg@turnstep.com* X Against HTML PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 / \ Email! 200107112356 *yawn* -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: http://www.turnstep.com/pgp.html iQA/AwUBO00f5rybkGcUlkrIEQKdVQCg0Tfe4sAwdFL5/GB2Gt6yhk9 LpaEAoKu4 y4mHj14RzxK6qU292znPUqUh =iZyo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From wcjones at exchange.fccj.org Thu Jul 12 05:25:00 2001 From: wcjones at exchange.fccj.org (JONES, WILLIAM C) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:48 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] FW: 24 Hours of use Perl Headlines For sneex Message-ID: <2E9A9FBD3ED4C74093261F49BDE1D43C0A146F@fccj-mail-01.fccj.org> On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er "JONES, WILLIAM C" wrote - -----Original Message----- From: pudge@perl.org To: sneex@fccj.org Sent: 7/12/2001 1:06 AM Subject: 24 Hours of use Perl Headlines For sneex use Perl Daily Headline Mailer Last Call for 5.7.2 posted by pudge on Wednesday July 11, @15:31 (releases) http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=01/07/11/1534249 Damian Conway in Portland 31 Jul - 3 Aug posted by pudge on Wednesday July 11, @11:58 (damian) http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=01/07/11/1158249 You are getting this message because you subscribed to it. If you want to unsubscribe from this, go to http://use.perl.org/users.pl You can login as "sneex" and disable the mailing from there. Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From wcjones at exchange.fccj.org Thu Jul 12 05:39:21 2001 From: wcjones at exchange.fccj.org (JONES, WILLIAM C) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:48 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] moochka Message-ID: <2E9A9FBD3ED4C74093261F49BDE1D43C0A1471@fccj-mail-01.fccj.org> On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er "JONES, WILLIAM C" wrote - :) Yes, but I suspect it is more to than the fact they are moving up Narwth for a job -- I guess they didn't want the list to bounce them as their local ISP account is being turned off. Even though I feel I have a wondeful job here at FCCJ, I spent last night updating my monster.com resume - just in case -- you never know when something will bite you in the backside :/ Sx :] PS - About the world... I have heard that joke so many times, that I feel it may actually be true - in a round about way. Seriously, as screwed up as the world has become - do we really want to 'take it over' - just look at the maintenance issues, if not the huge clean up bill :} -----Original Message----- From: j proctor To: Jax Perl Mongers Sent: 7/11/2001 11:57 PM Subject: Re: [JaxPM] moochka On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er j proctor wrote - > We have lost another member - lack of job opportunities in Jax, Fl area :( Sad news, but what does job opportunities in Jax have to to with being a member of Jax.PM? It certainly hasn't stopped me or Nate or Steve or Greg who's moving there (unless it was he who abandoned us), or maybe the guy from Daytona who emailed a couple weeks ago, whose name I have forgotten (sorry!). Other than your daily headlines from use.perl.org, which we could go get for ourselves if we weren't lazy-asses, it's not like it's a high traffic list. Seems to be mostly the handful of us trading banter. > We are now 13 strong... 13 strong what? At least 30% of the group isn't even in Florida. :) A friend of mine once claimed that the community of Switzerland, just south of Jax for those that don't know the area, is proof that Jax will is actively but secretly annexing everything it can, in a bid to take over the world. j Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From wcjones at exchange.fccj.org Thu Jul 12 06:00:30 2001 From: wcjones at exchange.fccj.org (JONES, WILLIAM C) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:48 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] About Jax.PM, general discussion... Message-ID: <2E9A9FBD3ED4C74093261F49BDE1D43C0A1472@fccj-mail-01.fccj.org> On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er "JONES, WILLIAM C" wrote - PPS - I don't think that 'guy' from Daytona ever actually joined the list :/ Hmmm... ORA has offered to help me with recruitment - what does the local and non-local Jax.PM membership think? ORA offers advertisement, no cost to Jax.PM, plus they will donate books and what not - seems they have more or less taken over Perl.com (which Tom Christiansen stated would happen in an e-mail to PM Group leaders a while back) - now however, generally speaking, ORA feels that all the PM groups are ORA-sponsered. I have asked for clarification on this matter as I was under the impression that each group was independently owned and operated, more like a mom-n-pop franchise... Also, I am in the process of moving CIS4DL to my own personal system. After a few months research - mainly reading and rereading the SF.Net legal stuff (which is owned by VA Linux, in case you didn't know) - they have a serious paragraph which says ' ... any code committed to SF.net will remain under the then in effect license - only new commits will be published under any project license changes ...' Let's ignore the fact they state THEY own code commits in conjunction with the developers and code authors - I cannot stomach that. I feel I own my work - if someone else finds it useful, then great - if they don't, well then, they didn't pay for it - so tuf ... I had hoped we (me really I guess) could generate development support for this project - but since it is not totally Perl-centric (my own desire, to embrace other OSD more holistically) I may have scared off any one on this list -- from the view point that a few of you don't feel experienced enough to participate - or a few believe since we are 'Perl Monger' we should use Perl; and nothing else. I cannot, in good faith to the goal of such a project, proceed with a narrow focus. I welcome additional discussion on this matter. In the absense of such - I will move the project off SF.net and take it completely private (it sort of was a day-dream/mare I had anyways - no sense in perpetuating a hopeless cause :) It will still be an Open Source - Commercial Support Available - free project (free in the sense of Free Beer: You drink free at the party, but may pay later in DUI charges or hang-over effects later on...) Thx; Sx :] Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From wcjones at exchange.fccj.org Thu Jul 12 06:41:01 2001 From: wcjones at exchange.fccj.org (JONES, WILLIAM C) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:48 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] Perl Question Message-ID: <2E9A9FBD3ED4C74093261F49BDE1D43C0A1474@fccj-mail-01.fccj.org> On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er "JONES, WILLIAM C" wrote - OK - A while back I found/saw/was e-mailed the following code (my apologies to the original author :) Anyways, I like it - so I have a question for the Jax.PM'ers here :) How would/could you add code/change code so that you could make TODAY clickable as an SSI or CGI link? Sx :) -----Original Code----- #!/usr/bin/perl -w my $month; open(CAL,"cal |") or die "Cannot get output from cal\n"; $month = ; ($month) = ($month =~ /\s+(\w+)\s+/); # Grab only the first part. print "\n"; print "\n\n\n"; for () { my @row; s/ /## /g; s/\s*$//; s/^\s+//; print "\n"; (@row) = split(/\s+/,$_); for (@row) { s/##/ /g; print "\n"; } print "\n"; } print "
$month
$_
\n" Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From jproctor at oit.umass.edu Thu Jul 12 08:51:10 2001 From: jproctor at oit.umass.edu (j proctor) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:48 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] About Jax.PM, general discussion... In-Reply-To: <2E9A9FBD3ED4C74093261F49BDE1D43C0A1472@fccj-mail-01.fccj.org> Message-ID: On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er j proctor wrote - > ORA offers advertisement, no cost to Jax.PM, plus they will donate books and > what not - seems they have more or less taken over Perl.com (which Tom > Christiansen stated would happen in an e-mail to PM Group leaders a while > back) - now however, generally speaking, ORA feels that all the PM groups > are ORA-sponsered. > > I have asked for clarification on this matter as I was under the impression > that each group was independently owned and operated, more like a mom-n-pop > franchise... Well, yeah, but just because we're not owned by "PM Central" doesn't mean we can't be sponsored. PBS stations are all local or state-level franchises, and *they* get corporate sponsorship. :) If you approach this from the other side, what does ORA get out of it? They get some puffery about what a wonderful company they are for sponsoring these user groups. They get a tax write-off if we're a 501(c)(3) non-profit (which, in all fairness, they may ask us to become in order to make the sponsorship thing really happen). And they get good juju with a lot of people who could be book reviewers, authors, or (I smell the real goal here) customers. What do we get? I'm not clear what "advertisement" means. Well, I know what it means, but what media does ORA control (other than the annoying little insert cards in their books)? Would they buy an ad in the T-U? Would we benefit from that, and would they ever recoup that investment? Do we get a little ad tacked on the bottom of a page at perl.com? Yeah, that's useful. "Of the umpteen thousand people who will see this page today, if you're near Jacksonville, FL, you're invited to join Jax.PM!" To the extent that the benevolent dictator is willing to listen to his constituents, I vote that we wait for clarification. > I welcome additional discussion on this matter. In the absense of such - I > will move the project off SF.net and take it completely private (it sort of > was a day-dream/mare I had anyways - no sense in perpetuating a hopeless > cause :) I wasn't aware of that policy at SF (though I might've noticed it next month, when I plan to move my thesis work there for ongoing development). I am actually interested in participating, but I've got 16 more days of coding something else that I consider much more important. Ziggy's Apprenticeship Hour at YAPC was inspiring for many who were there, but I feel that enthusiasm will have a hard time propagating back to the PM groups. Especially smaller ones like Jax, that don't have a cohesive community amongst themselves yet. If/as the project gets more momentum, it'll be easier to post little things that beginners could try to code, in exchange for their name among the authors. If you start getting copies of books from ORA (or Manning, or whatever), offer one as a prize for the first bug-free code that fills some gap. And maybe start actively looking for developers outside Jax. "Advertise" the project. I'm sure there are Perl beginners and experts at a wide variety of educational institutions who'd love to help replace WebCT, if we can only get in touch with them. SF is so bloated that posting something there doesn't really get the word out, y'know? Just starting is always the hardest part. j Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From jproctor at oit.umass.edu Thu Jul 12 09:08:51 2001 From: jproctor at oit.umass.edu (j proctor) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:48 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] Perl Question In-Reply-To: <2E9A9FBD3ED4C74093261F49BDE1D43C0A1474@fccj-mail-01.fccj.org> Message-ID: On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er j proctor wrote - without actually testing this... [...] this line: print "$_\n"; becomes: my $day = (localtime)[3]; print qq(td align="right">) . ($_ == $day) ? qq($_) : $_ . qq(\n); and that should do it. Well, except if they run the program just before midnight and don't look at the results until after. j Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From jproctor at oit.umass.edu Thu Jul 12 10:39:35 2001 From: jproctor at oit.umass.edu (j proctor) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:48 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] regex weirdness Message-ID: On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er j proctor wrote - I want to sort a list based on the number of Zs each element has in it, and I don't have a Cookbook handy. Code like this doesn't work: @out = sort { (scalar @{[$a =~ /Z/g]}) <=> (scalar @{[$b =~ /Z/g]}) } @in; But code like this does: @out = sort { zcount($a) <=> zcount($b) } @in; sub zcount { scalar @{[ $_[0] =~ /Z/g ]}; } I don't really mind the second, because it looks a little cleaner. Any ideas why it seems to be *required*, though? Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From sml at zfx.com Thu Jul 12 11:43:16 2001 From: sml at zfx.com (Steve Lane) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:48 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] About Jax.PM, general discussion... References: <2E9A9FBD3ED4C74093261F49BDE1D43C0A1472@fccj-mail-01.fccj.org> Message-ID: <3B4DD3A4.FB62947@zfx.com> On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er Steve Lane wrote - "JONES, WILLIAM C" wrote: > Hmmm... ORA has offered to help me with recruitment - what does the local > and non-local Jax.PM membership think? recruitment of whom for what? > I had hoped we (me really I guess) could generate development support for > this project - but since it is not totally Perl-centric (my own desire, to > embrace other OSD more holistically) I may have scared off any one on this > list -- from the view point that a few of you don't feel experienced enough > to participate - or a few believe since we are 'Perl Monger' we should > > use Perl; > > and nothing else. I cannot, in good faith to the goal of such a project, > proceed with a narrow focus. i think if anything scared people off, it was the large scope and small specification of the project. -- Steve Lane Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From sml at zfx.com Thu Jul 12 11:50:08 2001 From: sml at zfx.com (Steve Lane) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:48 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] regex weirdness References: Message-ID: <3B4DD540.21D9F070@zfx.com> On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er Steve Lane wrote - j proctor wrote: > > On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er j proctor wrote - > > I want to sort a list based on the number of Zs each element has in it, > and I don't have a Cookbook handy. > > Code like this doesn't work: > > @out = sort { > (scalar @{[$a =~ /Z/g]}) <=> (scalar @{[$b =~ /Z/g]}) > } @in; do you have a full program that doesn't work for you? because this one works for me: p.s. just "@{[$a =~ /Z/g]} <=> @{[$b =~ /Z/g]}" works as the sort comparison too. #!/usr/bin/perl my @lines = ; my @sorted = sort { (scalar @{[$a =~ /Z/g]}) <=> (scalar @{[$b =~ /Z/g]}) } @lines; print "SORTED:\n", @sorted; __DATA__ alksjdlkajZZZ klsjdlajsdZZ alkjsZZalsjdlaksZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZz askjdlkadsZZZaslkdjlasjZZZZaslkdjalksjdZZZZZZZZZ aklsjdZZaksjdlaksjd kajsdlkjzZZZZlkasjdasjd lkajsdljaskdjla klasjdlajsdlasjdlkajs klasjdlaZasldjalskjd akjsdlZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZdalksjdlsa -- Steve Lane Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From wcjones at exchange.fccj.org Thu Jul 12 13:44:28 2001 From: wcjones at exchange.fccj.org (JONES, WILLIAM C) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:48 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] FW: Newsletter #2 from O'Reilly UG Program Message-ID: <2E9A9FBD3ED4C74093261F49BDE1D43C0A1482@fccj-mail-01.fccj.org> On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er "JONES, WILLIAM C" wrote - Update - > ---------- > From: Denise Olliffe > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 12:59 PM > To: bill@fccj.org > Subject: Newsletter #2 from O'Reilly UG Program > > O'Reilly User Group Program > NEWSLETTER > Volume 1, #2 > www.oreilly.com > > Thanks to the 108 UGs that responded to my questions from the first > newsletter. After polling your answers, 69 groups liked the new format, > so I've decided to stay with the all-in-one newsletter, and I've > arranged the news by subject matter. > > Highlights this week: > Books: > 5 New titles released, including the "Java Cookbook" > News: > GNOME's Miguel de Icaza on .NET > Why does O'Reilly use animals on the book covers? > IEE Call for Papers: Open Source Software Engineering > 15 tips for the Linux LPI Certification exams > > ***************************** > NEWS from O'Reilly & Beyond > ***************************** > I would be grateful if you would pass on the info that your members > will find interesting... > > GENERAL INTEREST: > > GNOME's Miguel de Icaza on .NET: > In a conversation with O'Reilly Network publisher Dale Dougherty, GNOME > founder Miguel de Icaza discusses the advantages of the .NET > development environment and why the open source community should join > him in developing Mono--a free implementation of .NET. Miguel will > speak about these topics at O'Reilly Open Source Convention, this > month. http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/dotnet/2001/07/09/icaza.html > > Microsoft attacks open source > By Charles Babcock, Interactive Week > article quotes Tim O'Reilly > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/zd/20010702/tc/ms_attacks_open_source_1.htm > l > > Ever wonder why O'Reilly has chosen animals to grace our book covers? > Find out at: http://www.oreilly.com/news/lejeune_0400.html or > http://www.oreilly.com/news/ediemals_0400.html > > WINDOWS: > > An interview with Jesse Liberty: Author of "Programming C#": > We asked Jesse how C# compares with other object-oriented programming > languages and how C# fits into the .NET Framework. To learn more, don't > miss O'Reilly's upcoming release, Programming C#. > http://dotnet.oreilly.com/news/jesse_0701.html > > OPEN SOURCE: > > IEE Call for Papers: Open Source Software Engineering > The Institution of Electrical Engineers is soliciting papers > representing original, completed research on open source software > engineering, especially papers providing a rigorous analysis of open > source methods and tools. http://opensource.ucc.ie/iee-cfp.htm > > If you're planning on taking the Linux LPI Certification Level 1 exams, > here are 15 tips from O'Reilly's author of "LPI Linux Certification in > a Nutshell": http://linux.oreilly.com/news/lpilinux_0601.html > > APPLE/MAC: > > O'Reilly Network's managing editor, Derek Story talks disc burning with > Sony's Digital Relay: > http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/mac/2001/06/27/sony_digital_relay.html > > JAVA: > > O'Reilly author, Jason Hunter takes an in-depth look at the new 2.3 > servlet filter model in this JavaWorld article: > http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-06-2001/jw-0622-filters.html > > ************************************************* > BOOKS hot off the press--REVIEW COPIES AVAILABLE > ************************************************* > Please email me to request review copies. > Click on either link for book details--the press announcement is the > top link--feel free to use the release as you see fit. 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Executive Software will tell us all > about the NTFS file system in Windows 2000 if you ask the questions. > HUNTUG is a non-profit, no-dues group. For directions check out our Map > at www.huntug.org/map > > ************************* > UPCOMING O'Reilly events > ************************* > > Enter your group to win a pass to the O'Reilly Peer-to-Peer and Web > Services Conference. Email me for further details, if you didn't > receive my email notice. Deadline for entries is July 31st, 2001. 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Use the DSUG discount code. If registering online, enter > the code where it says "If you received a discount code, enter it > here." Register before the "Early Bird" discounts end, and you'll save > 20% on already discounted "Early Bird" prices. > > For more O'Reilly event information, go to: > http://events.oreilly.com/ > > ************** > MISCELLANEOUS > ************** > > I'm looking for Oracle UGs and Bioinformatics UGs this month. If you > know of any, please tell them about the O'Reilly UG Program: > http://ug.oreilly.com/ > > If your UG has an announcement that you'd like my help communicating to > other groups, let me know. I'm happy to include the info in an upcoming > newsletter. > > Does your UG have a newsletter? If so, please add me to your mailing > list if you haven't already done so: > > Denise Olliffe > c/o O'Reilly & Associates > 101 Morris Street > Sebastopol, CA 95472 > deniseo@oreilly.com > > > > Until next week, > Denise > > > > > > > Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From nate at campi.cc Thu Jul 12 14:12:46 2001 From: nate at campi.cc (Nate Campi) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:48 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] regex weirdness In-Reply-To: ; from jproctor@oit.umass.edu on Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 11:39:35AM -0400 References: Message-ID: <20010712121246.A30310@campi.cc> On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er Nate Campi wrote - On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 11:39:35AM -0400, j proctor wrote: > On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er j proctor wrote - > > I want to sort a list based on the number of Zs each element has in it, > and I don't have a Cookbook handy. > Online "ORA Perl CD BookShelf", other ORA CD bookshelves, and more at http://gin2.comcity.com/images/ This is a place where I worked for a couple months after I got out of the service, and the docs are still there, not password protected or anything. If this one ever goes away, I have a password protected copy on my website people can request access to. Everyone on this list would be granted access if they asked. Please don't leak out this URL to the general public, it'll get shut down (I'm sure) if the web server starts getting overloaded. -- Nate Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From wcjones at exchange.fccj.org Thu Jul 12 14:08:16 2001 From: wcjones at exchange.fccj.org (JONES, WILLIAM C) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:48 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] About Jax.PM, general discussion... Message-ID: <2E9A9FBD3ED4C74093261F49BDE1D43C0A1488@fccj-mail-01.fccj.org> On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er "JONES, WILLIAM C" wrote - > recruitment of whom for what? > For general local Jacksonville people, mainly. They just want to seel books, but they would like to know who/where the audience is. And - what does these customer want to buy. I promise it won't be the 'world domination' thing :) > > and nothing else. I cannot, in good faith to the goal of such a > project, > > proceed with a narrow focus. > > i think if anything scared people off, it was the > large scope and small specification of the project. > -- > Steve Lane > > > I agree with you - that is why I have backed off pestering the group about it. At the moment the whole thing is in limbo. Sx > ---------- > From: Steve Lane > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 12:43 PM > To: JONES, WILLIAM C > Cc: 'jacksonville-pm-list@hfb.pm.org' > Subject: Re: [JaxPM] About Jax.PM, general discussion... > > "JONES, WILLIAM C" wrote: > > Hmmm... ORA has offered to help me with recruitment - what does the > local > > and non-local Jax.PM membership think? > > recruitment of whom for what? > > > I had hoped we (me really I guess) could generate development support > for > > this project - but since it is not totally Perl-centric (my own desire, > to > > embrace other OSD more holistically) I may have scared off any one on > this > > list -- from the view point that a few of you don't feel experienced > enough > > to participate - or a few believe since we are 'Perl Monger' we should > > > > use Perl; > > > Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From wcjones at exchange.fccj.org Mon Jul 23 19:55:41 2001 From: wcjones at exchange.fccj.org (JONES, WILLIAM C) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:48 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] SVG? In Perl :) Message-ID: <2E9A9FBD3ED4C74093261F49BDE1D43C0A152F@fccj-mail-01.fccj.org> On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er "JONES, WILLIAM C" wrote - See http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2001/07/11/creatingsvg.html?page=1 Sx :] Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From wcjones at exchange.fccj.org Mon Jul 23 20:06:13 2001 From: wcjones at exchange.fccj.org (JONES, WILLIAM C) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:48 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] Admin Notice Message-ID: <2E9A9FBD3ED4C74093261F49BDE1D43C0A1532@fccj-mail-01.fccj.org> On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er "JONES, WILLIAM C" wrote - Hi All :) Please notify me if you are changing ISP/E-Mail providers -- otherwise I won't know you're no longer around until the mail starts bouncing :( BTW - Greg and I had yet another 'unofficial' Jax.PM meeting; here in Jax! So Nah-Nah-Nah - J - there really ARE members here in Jax, FL :) :P Sx Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From wcjones at exchange.fccj.org Mon Jul 23 20:16:11 2001 From: wcjones at exchange.fccj.org (JONES, WILLIAM C) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:48 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] Sound Off ! Message-ID: <2E9A9FBD3ED4C74093261F49BDE1D43C0A1533@fccj-mail-01.fccj.org> On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er "JONES, WILLIAM C" wrote - OK - Who is actually IN Jacksonville, Florida (and yes, the Beaches areas count :) Pls RSVP to me only - sneex@fccj.org Thx/Sx :] Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From nate at campi.cc Mon Jul 23 20:50:02 2001 From: nate at campi.cc (Nate Campi) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:48 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] book input Message-ID: <20010723185002.D19708@campi.cc> On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er Nate Campi wrote - Anyone have any input on the book by Dr Stein on network programming with perl? I almost bought it but didn't have the dough. Anyone on the list buy it/use it? -- Nate Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From wcjones at exchange.fccj.org Mon Jul 23 20:43:21 2001 From: wcjones at exchange.fccj.org (JONES, WILLIAM C) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:48 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] book input Message-ID: <2E9A9FBD3ED4C74093261F49BDE1D43C0A153A@fccj-mail-01.fccj.org> On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er "JONES, WILLIAM C" wrote - I use it regularly :) I felt it was worth it - Lincoln, whom I've known for three years, is an excellent writer. Purchase the book if you are heavy into Networking using Perl. Also, it compliments the Perl Cookbook ( see http://insecurity.org/perl2/cookbook/index.htm ) HTH/Sx :) -----Original Message----- From: Nate Campi Anyone have any input on the book by Dr Stein on network programming with perl? Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From peter.royal at pobox.com Mon Jul 23 21:05:52 2001 From: peter.royal at pobox.com (kiss the sun and walk on air) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:48 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] Admin Notice In-Reply-To: <2E9A9FBD3ED4C74093261F49BDE1D43C0A1532@fccj-mail-01.fccj.org> Message-ID: <20010723220552.A29144@pobox.com> On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 09:06:13PM -0400, JONES, WILLIAM C wrote: > BTW - Greg and I had yet another 'unofficial' Jax.PM meeting; here in Jax! > So Nah-Nah-Nah - J - there really ARE members here in Jax, FL :) there are others here in jax too. unfortunately i don't get to play with perl at work. i have been experimenting with html::mason and axkit in making some sites though. -pete -- (peter.royal|osi)@pobox.com - http://pobox.com/~osi your brain on life - http://fotap.org - incubating uin#153025 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From jproctor at oit.umass.edu Mon Jul 23 23:10:30 2001 From: jproctor at oit.umass.edu (j proctor) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:48 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] Admin Notice In-Reply-To: <2E9A9FBD3ED4C74093261F49BDE1D43C0A1532@fccj-mail-01.fccj.org> Message-ID: On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er j proctor wrote - > BTW - Greg and I had yet another 'unofficial' Jax.PM meeting; here in Jax! > So Nah-Nah-Nah - J - there really ARE members here in Jax, FL :) He just moved there. I'll be waiting for the "official" count that results from your survey. :) IPC::Shareable is really cool. Until you reload stuff into it too many times from a bunch of Apache/mod_perl processes and you fill it. Feh. Four days left on this frelling program. I wanted to be done and into documentation mode already. j Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From wcjones at exchange.fccj.org Tue Jul 24 13:07:51 2001 From: wcjones at exchange.fccj.org (JONES, WILLIAM C) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:48 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] [NON-PERL] FW: EFFector 14.15: Uproar Around the World over Sklay rov Arrest; More! Message-ID: <2E9A9FBD3ED4C74093261F49BDE1D43C0A1553@fccj-mail-01.fccj.org> On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er "JONES, WILLIAM C" wrote - I am interested in the groups commenst about the below: > ---------- > From: editors@eff.org > Reply To: editor@eff.org > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 8:22 AM > Subject: EFFector 14.15: Uproar Around the World over Sklayrov > Arrest; More! > > > EFFector Vol. 14, No. 15 July 22, 2001 editor@eff.org > > A Publication of the Electronic Frontier Foundation ISSN 1062-9424 > > In the 175th Issue of EFFector (now with over 28,000 subscribers!): > > * FBI Arrests Programmer in Las Vegas for eBook Software > * EFF Statement on the Arrest of Dmitry Sklyarov > * EFF Letter From Executive Director Shari Steele to Attorney > General John Ashcroft (July 20, 2001) > * Respected British Scientist Resigns from US-Based > Conference-Planning Committee, Citing Fear of Prosecution under > DMCA > * Electronic Publishers Coalition Condemns Criminal Use of DMCA > * Linux Community Joint Statement Against DMCA: Digital Millennium > Copyright Act Threatens Researchers > * EFF's Music Share-In in Golden Gate Park, Supporting our Open > Audio License > * Join EFF in Fundraising Dinner with Ed Felten, Washington, D.C., > Aug. 15. > * Administrivia > > For more information on EFF activities & alerts: http://www.eff.org > > To join EFF or make an additional donation: > http://www.eff.org/support/ > EFF is a member-supported non-profit. Please sign up as a member > today! > _________________________________________________________________ > > FBI Arrests Programmer in Las Vegas for eBook Software; > > Russian Distributed Tool that Increases Purchasers' Control of eBooks > > Electronic Frontier Foundation Media Release > > For Immediate Release: July 17, 2001 > > Contact: > > Robin Gross, EFF Staff Attorney, > robin@eff.org, > +1 415 436 9333 x209 > > Will Doherty, EFF Online Activist / Media Relations, > wild@eff.org, > +1 415 436 9333 x111 > > San Francisco - The FBI arrested Russian citizen Dmitry Sklyarov in > Las Vegas, Nevada, yesterday on charges of distributing a product > designed to circumvent copyright protection measures. Sklyarov, who > was in Las Vegas to deliver a lecture on electronic book security, > allegedly authored a program which permits editing, copying, and > printing of electronic books by unlocking a proprietary Adobe > electronic book format. DoJ/US Attorney press release: > http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/US_v_Sklyarov/ > 20010717_doj_sklyarov_pr.html > > Charged > in one of the first United States criminal prosecutions under the > Digital Millenium Copyright Act (DMCA), Sklyarov is currently in > custody in Las Vegas pending transfer to the Northern California US > Federal District Court. For the full text of the complaint, see: > http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/US_v_Sklyarov/20010707_complaint.html > For more on the DMCA, see: > http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/ > > The case involves Advanced eBook Processor (AEBPR), software developed > by Sklyarov's Russian employer Elcomsoft. According to the company's > website, the software permits eBook owners to translate from Adobe's > secure eBook format into the more common Portable Document Format > (PDF). The company maintains that the software only works on > legitimately purchased eBooks. > > Adobe's eBook format restricts the manner in which a legitimate eBook > buyer may read, print, back up, and store electronic books. The > Advanced eBook Processor appears to remove these usage restrictions, > permitting an eBook consumer to enjoy the ability to move the > electronic book between computers, make backup copies, and print. Many > of these personal, non-commercial activities may constitute fair use > under U.S. copyright law. Of course, the Advanced eBook Processor > software may also make it easier to infringe copyrights, since eBooks, > once translated into open formats like PDF, may be distributed in > illegitimate ways. > > Robin Gross, attorney with the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), > explained, "The U.S. government for the first time is prosecuting a > programmer for building a tool that may be used for many purposes, > including those that legitimate purchasers need in order to exercise > their fair use rights." > > Jennifer Granick, Clinical Director at the Stanford Law School Center > for Internet and Society, commented that "the DMCA says that companies > can use technology to take away fair use, but programmers can't use > technology to take fair use back. Now the government is spending > taxpayer money putting people from other countries in jail to protect > multinational corporate profits at the expense of free speech." > > Alexander Katalov, President and Owner of Elcomsoft, expressed anger > and disappoint over Sklyarov's arrest: "Dimitry is only one of the > programmers who worked on this program, so I don't understand why it > is his sole responsibility. In Russia, we have no law like the DMCA. > In fact, distributing Adobe's eBook software is illegal in Russia, > since Russian law requires that the software permit the purchaser to > make at least one legal copy." > > For a copy of the federal complaint against Sklyarov see: > http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/US_v_Sklyarov/20010707_complaint.html > > For the Department of Justice press release on the case see: > http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/US_v_Sklyarov/ > 20010717_doj_sklyarov_pr.html > > For information on other DMCA-related cases see: > http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/ > > To join the free-sklyarov mailing list, see: > http://zork.net/mailman/listinfo/free-sklyarov/ > > Elcomsoft Website: > http://www.elcomsoft.com/ > > Two protest sites that are organizing rallies: > http://www.freesklyarov.org/ > http://www.boycottadobe.org/ > (Note: EFF does not presently endorse an Adobe boycott; we are meeting > with senior Adobe VPs and legal staff Mon. morning, July 23, and hope > to convince them to reverse their position on Sklyarov, and urge the > Dept. of Justice to drop the case and set him free.) > > Adobe Systems Inc. Website: > http://www.adobe.com/ > > About EFF: > > The Electronic Frontier Foundation is the leading civil liberties > organization working to protect rights in the digital world. Founded > in 1990, EFF actively encourages and challenges industry and > government to support free expression, privacy, and openness in the > information society. EFF is a member-supported organization and > maintains one of the most linked-to Web sites in the world: > http://www.eff.org/ > > - end - > _________________________________________________________________ > > > EFF Statement on the Arrest of Dmitry Sklyarov > > from Executive Director Shari Steele > > Once again, the Digital Millineum Copyright Act (DMCA) is proving > itself to be as harmful to civil liberties as we predicted it would > be. The latest victim is a Russian programmer named Dmitry Sklyarov, > who authored a program that permits editing, copying, and printing of > electronic books by unlocking a proprietary Adobe electronic book > format. > > Mr. Sklyarov has been brought up on criminal charges under the DMCA > for distributing a product designed to circumvent copyright protection > measures. This is different than the 2600 and Felten cases, which are > civil lawsuits. In a civil lawsuit, one private citizen (or company) > sues another for money and/or the cessation of a particular action. In > a criminal case, the government brings charges against an individual > (or company) and the punishment for conviction can be prison and/or > fines. Info on the 2600 Case: > http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/MPAA_DVD_cases/ > Info on the Felten case: > http://www.eff.org/Legal/Cases/Felten_v_RIAA/ > > EFF has been in contact with the Assistant U.S. Attorney (AUSA)'s > office trying to track Mr. Sklyarov's whereabouts and speak with him > directly. While the arrest took place in Las Vegas, the complaint was > executed in San Jose, meaning that Mr. Sklyarov will be sent to > California to stand trial. We have spoken with his colleagues, > criminal defense attorneys and others to help with his defense. After > he arrives in California, our first order of business is to get Mr. > Sklyarov out of jail on a bond pending his trial. EFF has begun to > pull together a top-notch legal team to help him defend his right to > talk about and distribute the Advanced eBook Processor software > program, and we'll be ready to step in as soon as it is appropriate. > Full text of the complaint: > http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/US_v_Sklyarov/20010707_complaint.html > > EFF knew when we took on the 2600 Case over a year ago that fixing the > DMCA would require several legal challenges. EFF remains committed to > chipping away at this law until it no longer poses a threat to our > right to free speech. > > Lest anyone be confused, this case is not about copyright > infringement. Mr. Sklyarov is not accused of infringing anyone's > copyrights. He is accused of building the Advanced eBook Processor, a > tool that allows the legitimate purchaser of an e-book to translate it > from one digital format into another (from Adobe's eBook format into > Adobe's Portable Document Format). Mr. Sklyarov is not being > prosecuted for using the tool himself -- in fact, such a prosecution > would be impossible, since using such a tool (as distinguished from > building or distributing one) breaks no law. Mr. Sklyarov has entered > the strange Twilight Zone of the DMCA, where using a tool is legal, > but building it is a crime. > > We invite your support. If you are not yet an EFF member, please join > with us at http://www.eff.org/support . If you already are a member > and wish to make a donation, you can use that same link to get to our > donation page. > > Together we will keep the pressure on anyone who chooses to degrade > our basic rights. Thanks for your help. > > Shari Steele, EFF Executive Director > July 18, 2001 > > - end - > _________________________________________________________________ > > > EFF Letter From Executive Director Shari Steele > > to Attorney General John Ashcroft (July 20, 2001) > > Electronic Frontier Foundation > 454 Shotwell Street > San Francisco CA 94110 > > The Honorable John Ashcroft > Attorney General > Department of Justice > 950 Pennsylvania Avenue N.W. > Washington, D.C. 20530 > > July 20, 2001 > > Dear Attorney General Ashcroft: > > At the request of Adobe Corporation, Dmitry Sklyarov was arrested by > the FBI on July 16th and charged with crimes under the Digital > Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). Mr. Sklyarov is a Russian national > who came to the United States to deliver an academic presentation on > his technological innovations. His arrest and subsequent detention > without bail are shameful and opportunistic actions against an > individual who was here simply to share his knowledge and technical > expertise with American scientists. > > Dmitry Sklyarov is not accused of any copyright infringement of any > sort. He is a computer programmer. He stands accused of writing > software that enables purchasers of electronic books to exercise their > lawful fair use rights when viewing their eBooks. Such software is > both legal and required in Russia, where it was written and developed. > And while the DMCA does not prohibit its use in the US, providing the > technology is banned under the DMCA. Courts have determined time and > time again that computer code is creative expression worthy of First > Amendment protection. Mr. Sklyarov is currently being held captive for > the content of his ideas that demonstrate the flaws in Adobe's > software and because he expressed them in the most precise scientific > language available to his profession, computer code. Mr. Sklyarov's > right to free expression under the U.S. Constitution and international > treaty obligations must be respected. > > Not only are Dmitry Sklyarov's human and civil rights being abused, > the inability of programmers to distribute fair use tools infringes on > the free speech rights of all of citizens who legitimately need them. > Fair use is an integral part of the bargain of rights struck between > the public and authors under U.S. copyright law. The U.S. Supreme > Court has held that fair use provides the necessary breathing room to > prevent a conflict between copyright and the guarantees of freedom of > expression under the First Amendment. Although the Constitution > mandates that copyrighted works pass into the public domain, the DMCA > has outlawed all tools necessary to gain access to the works, even > after those works rightfully belong to the public. Technology permits > publishers to restrict access to and control the use of copyrighted > works in ways that dangerously exceed the bounds of copyright, > encroaching upon the public's rights to use and access knowledge. > > While copyright holders are not accountable for the manner in which > they release a work, the people must be permitted to take necessary > steps in order to exercise their rights under the law. Jailing Dmitry > Sklyarov strips people everywhere of that right and chills important > research. The DMCA must be reigned in to comport with the limits set > by the US Constitution. > > When the DMCA was passing through Congress in 1998, the copyright > industry promised it was needed as a shield for protection. Now as > law, its used as a powerful sword to squelch speech and competition > and kill fair use. Congress never intended for the DMCA to destroy > fair use, in fact it expressly tried to protect it. As Attorney > General, we ask that you honor this intent and your obligation to > uphold the Constitution by dropping the charges against Dmitry > Sklyarov and allowing him to return home to his wife and two small > children. > > Sincerely, > > Shari Steele > Executive Director > Electronic Frontier Foundation > > - end - > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Respected British Scientist Resigns from US-Based Conference-Planning > Committee > > Citing Fear of Prosecution under DMCA > > UK scientist & programmer Alan Cox, a key member of the USENIX Annual > Linux Showcase (ALS) planning committee, has resigned in the wake of > the arrest of DEFCON presenter Dmitry Sklyarov and legal threats > against USENIX presenter Prof. Edward Felten & colleagues, under the > questionably-constitutional US "Digital Millennium Copyright Act" > (DMCA). Cox sent USENIX the following open letter of resignation: > > I hereby tender my resignation to the USENIX ALS committee. > > With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it > is not safe for non-US software engineers to visit the United > States. While he was undoubtedly chosen for political reasons as a > Russian it is a good example for the US public that the risk > extends arbitarily further. > > USENIX by its choice of a US location is encouraging other > programmers, many from Eastern European states hated by the US > government, to take the same risks. That is something I cannot > morally be part of. Who will be the next conference speaker slammed > into a US jail for years for committing no crime? Are USENIX > prepared to take the chance it will be their speakers? > > Until the DMCA mess is resolved I would urge all non-US citizens to > boycott conferences in the USA and all US conference bodies to hold > their conferences elsehere. > > I appreciate that this problem is not of USENIX making, but it must > be addressed. > > Alan Cox > > Similar resignations of non-US members of US conference- and other > event-planning bodies are increasing, with many more expected. It is > thus crystal clear that the DMCA is having one of the most palpable > "chilling effects" in American history on perfectly legal expression. > EFF remains very concerned about such "secondary effects" of this > legislation, and is committed to seeing it undone. > > [Sources: Linux World News & NewsForge > > - end - > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Electronic Publishers Coalition Condemns Criminal Use of DMCA > > In stark contrast to a trade association of offline publishers > (American Assocation of Publishers or AAP), the online e-Book industry > group Electronic Publishers Association (EPC) sharply attacks the > prosecution of Dmitry Sklyarov: > > For Immediate Release > > Contact information: > > Connie Foster, eBooksonthe.net, publisher@ebooksonthe.net, +1 > 207-667-6515 > Jon Noring, Blue Glass Publishing, noring@olagrande.net, +1 > 801-253-4037 > Roger Sperberg, Watchung Plaza Books, roger@e-bks.com, +1 > 973-744-7802 > URL: http://www.epccentral.org/dmca.html > > While all publishers are concerned about professional copyright > thieves, the Electronic Publishers Coalition condemns the use of the > criminal provisions of the DMCA against Dimitry Sklyarov, a Russian > programmer and cryptanalyst visiting the United States. > > "Persecution of an individual shouldn't be any company's response to a > commercial disagreement, especially regarding copyright," Connie > Foster, the EPC executive director said Sunday. > > "All members of the EPC -- not just a small portion of them as with > print-oriented groups like the AAP -- work with the Adobe and other > electronic formats to publish their e-books, and we recognize that the > same technology that benefits publishers with lower production and > distribution costs also aids copyright violators." > > "We also recognize from our close experience working with electronic > books, that readers need and deserve greater leeway with the e-books > they purchase than the current limited DRM and security technology > provides," Foster stated. (Note: DRM -- for "Digital Rights > Management", a.k.a. copy prevention -- provides permissions control > with e-books, disallowing [or permitting] such things as copying text > to a computer's clipboard, printing of the content, and lending the > e-book to another computer's reading system.) > > Foster continued, "In this case, readers' interests should be > paramount, and the leading e-book formats -- Adobe's among them -- > slight them by making it impossible to open an e-book when upgrading > to a new computer or when suffering a number of all-too-common > computer woes, such as virus infection and hard-disk failure." > > "At this point in e-books' development, we think it's just too early > for companies such as Adobe that have nascent content-delivery systems > to think they have solved all their problems and to resort to criminal > charges against a programmer who discovered and discussed serious > flaws in the program's security structure." > > Foster went on to note: "Some people think Adobe has to pursue this > type of action to reassure publishers their content is safe. But what > publishers need to know is that Adobe understands the technology and > its current limits, and the problems with its own software, and that > it understands what our customers -- that is, readers-- need and what > the immature e-book industry needs in order to grow." > > Sklyarov, a graduate student at Bauman Moscow State Technical > University, reported at a Las Vegas conference on his research on > e-book security performed for his dissertation. His research was later > incorporated into a permissions-removal program called Advanced E-book > Processor, or AEBPR, by ElcomSoft, a Russian software company that now > employs him. The program apparently sold fewer than ten copies before > being pulled from the market at Adobe's insistence. It had not been > available commercially for more than two weeks before Sklyarov's visit > to America. > > AEBPR allows users to make backups of legally purchased Adobe eBooks > that ignore the eBooks' restrictions on copying, printing and lending, > if any, and permit the eBook to be read on a replacement copy of Adobe > eBook Reader if the initial installation no longer functions or if the > user upgrades to a new computer. It does not work with eBooks sold to > another user. Since under Russian law, such backups are mandatory for > data sellers, Adobe eBooks contravene the law and AEBPR is legal in > Russia, as well as in Germany and Scandinavia, and other countries. > Its use in the U.S. is not permitted under the DMCA, the Digital > Millennium Copyright Act. > > The Electronic Publishers Coalition was founded by a group of > publishers committed to furthering the growth of the e-book community. > It is the largest trade association of electronic publishers in the > world. A primary role of the EPC is to follow through on its > commitment to develop a healthy marketplace for digital content as > well as to take a leadership role in setting minimum standards in > order to encourage quality within our industry. The EPC is located on > the web at: > http://www.epccentral.org/ > __________________________________________ > > By way of contrast: Association of American Publishers (AAP) statement > condoning the vindictive arrest and prosecution of an innocent > cryptographic researcher: > http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/20010719_aap_sklyerov_pr.html > > - end - > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Linux Community Joint Statement Against DMCA: > > Digital Millennium Copyright Act Threatens Researchers > > Free Speech, Free Sklyarov > > A Community Declaration: > > Dmitry Sklyarov, a Russian academic, has been imprisoned after > presenting a scientific paper at the DEF CON computer security > conference. His talk covered the restriction mechanisms used to > prevent people from reading electronic books. He was formally charged > with distributing software that could be used to circumvent copy > protection. > [See press coverage] > > The Digital Millennium Copyright Act attacks freedom of speech and > assembly and damages the economic health of the United States. > > Sklyarov was arrested by the FBI outside his hotel as he prepared to > go to the airport. The arrest was instigated by Adobe Systems > Corporation. > > It is ironic that a Russian national is being held without bail in the > US for what is essentially a thoughtcrime. Through the passage of the > DMCA we have criminalized speech and scientific research about the > structure of computer programs as well as other simple acts such as > reading of books and other media. > > The DMCA goes far beyond the need to protect from illegal copies of > books and other media. Since it criminalizes not only the act of > copying but even development and possession of programs which are > capable of reading these media for legitimate use. For example, the > DMCA criminalizes used book stores, in that the DMCA helps publishers > lock up books so tight that the electronic analog of a used book store > would be impossible. > > This is not the first time that DMCA has been used as a weapon against > legitimate scientific research. The Electronic Frontier Foundation has > brought suit on behalf of USENIX and Princeton Professor Edward Felten > after the Professor and his research team were threatened with DMCA > prosecution by the RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America). > This threat was delivered after it became known that Professor Felten > was presenting a paper showing the insecurity of a method of > protecting music, just as Sklyarov was arrested after presenting a > similar paper about electronic books. > > The DMCA, in spite of its supposed exception, punishes reverse > engineering. Bans on reverse engineering in the 70s would have made > the PC revolution (and companies like Compaq, Phoenix and Dell) > illegal. > > The extremism of the DMCA provisions prohibiting research, development > and publication of tools for distributing and displaying copyrighted > works must be eliminated. These provisions drop an Iron Curtain on the > United States of America. It should never be illegal to make or > discuss such tools. > > Noted Signatories (see Other Signatories page: > http://www.dibona.com/dmca/signers/index.shtml > for more): > > Larry Augustin - CEO and Chairman, VA Linux Systems > Jeff Bates - Executive Editor, Slashdot.org > Brian Behlendorf - President, Apache Software Foundation, CTO > Collab.net > Chris DiBona - Grant Chair, Linux International > Miguel Di Icaza - Co-Founder and CTO, Ximian Inc. > Nat Friedman - Co-Founder and VP Product Development, Ximian Inc. > Marty Garbus - Attorney, Frankfurt, Garbus, Kurnit, Klein & Selz, > PC > Jon "Maddog" Hall - Executive Director, Linux International > Ed Hernstadt - Attorney, Frankfurt, Garbus, Kurnit, Klein & Selz, > PC > Rob Malda - Founder and Editor, Slashdot.org > Don Marti - Technical Editor, Linux Journal > Bruce Perens - Primary Author, "The Open Source Definition" > Eric S. Raymond - President, Open Source Initiative > Lawrence Rosen - Attorney, Rosenlaw.com and Executive Director, > Open Source Initiative > David Sifry - Co-Founder, LinuxCare, Inc. > Shari Steele - Executive Director, Electronic Frontier Foundation > Brad Templeton - Chairman of the BoardElectronic Frontier > Foundation > Linus Torvalds - Lead Kernel Developer, Linux > Art F. Tyde - CEO, Linuxcare > Bob Young - Co-Founder and Chairman, Red Hat, Inc. > > Care to join them? > > Sign your name to this declaration as well: > http://www.dibona.com/dmca/signup/index.shtml > > Press Contacts: > > Don Marti dmarti@zgp.org > Eric S. Raymond esr@thyrsus.com > Bruce Perens bruce@perens.com > Chris DiBona chris@dibona.com > > Please note that all of the Press Contacts will be available for > discussion at the O'Reilly Open Source Conference the week of the 22nd > of July. > > Resources: > > The EFF page on Sklyarov: http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/US_v_Sklyarov/ > The EFF page on Edward Felten: http://www.eff.org/Legal/Cases/ > Felten_v_RIAA/ > The Free-Sklyarov Mailing list: http://zork.net/mailman/listinfo/ > free-sklyarov > > - end - > _________________________________________________________________ > > > EFF's Music Share-In in Golden Gate Park > > Supporting our Open Audio License > > EFF Unplugged: Music Share-In > Saturday, September 8, 2001 > Stanyan Meadow, Golden Gate Park, San Francisco (Corner of Haight > and Stanyon) > 2 p.m. - 5 p.m. > > The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) would like to invite you to > participate in an open air concert event for everyone who loves music. > EFF Unplugged will feature musicians from around the Bay Area > performing acoustically in Golden Gate Park. Artists participating in > this event will permit recording of their performances by those in > attendance in support of EFF's Open Audio License (OAL). > > The OAL was developed to help artists share their work with others > without giving up the recognition they deserve for creating the art. > Based on the open source and free software initiatives for software > development, the open audio license encourages artists to share with > one another and their fans and to build upon the works of others. > > Adoption of the OAL does not mean that an artist does not get > compensated for his or her work. On the contrary--the OAL permits > artists to share single tracks or performances, with recognition, that > could lead to sales of additional music. EFF is extremely sensitive to > supporting new models of music distribution in the digital world that > see more money going to the artists themselves. One of the great > qualities of the Internet is that packaging and distributing music, > which is where most of the money is currently spent by record > companies, is trivial. EFF is committed to developing tools that > empower artists to take control over their own art and to be > compensated appropriately for their works. > > EFF believes that many of the laws and technologies being developed > today to protect intellectual property actually harm the public's > First Amendment and fair use rights and make criminals of people doing > perfectly legitimate things. We are striving to help artists realize > the full potential of the Internet for reaching their fans by > challenging restrictive laws in courtrooms and through public > education events, like this one. > > In addition to several stages of acoustical music, the Share-In will > showcase numerous artist booths, where musicians can sell their music > and merchandise to the public. In addition, there will be booths > hosted by EFF and outside sponsors, including artists' rights > organizations and independent labels. > > EFF is the leading civil liberties organization working to protect > rights in the digital world. Founded in 1990, EFF actively encourages > and challenges everyone to support free expression, privacy, and > openness in the information society. EFF is a member-supported > organization and maintains one of the most linked-to websites in the > world at: > http://www.eff.org/ > > Information about EFF's Open Audio License is available at: > http://www.eff.org/IP/Open_licenses/ > > For more information about participating in EFF's Music Share-In, > contact: > Katina Bishop, EFF Director of Education and Offline Activism, > +1 415-436-9333 x101, > katina@eff.org > _________________________________________________________________ > > Join EFF in Fundraising Dinner with Ed Felten > > Washington, D.C., Aug. 15. > > Join the Electronic Frontier Foundation in celebration of the > presentation of Professor Ed Felten's Reading Between the Lines: > Lessons from the SDMI Challenge at the USENIX Security Symposium on > August 15th, 2001! Come and meet Professor Felten, his research team, > and legal team, and support EFF's legal battle to get this paper > presented. 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You can also get, via the Web: > http://www.eff.org/pub/EFF/Newsletters/EFFector/current.html > _________________________________________________________________ > > Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From wcjones at exchange.fccj.org Tue Jul 24 13:10:26 2001 From: wcjones at exchange.fccj.org (JONES, WILLIAM C) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:48 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] Admin Notice Message-ID: <2E9A9FBD3ED4C74093261F49BDE1D43C0A1554@fccj-mail-01.fccj.org> On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er "JONES, WILLIAM C" wrote - Well, I KNOW there are four here - but only two have responded... There are 13 total on the list... :) > ---------- > From: j proctor > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 12:10 AM > To: JONES, WILLIAM C > Cc: 'jacksonville-pm-list@hfb.pm.org' > Subject: Re: [JaxPM] Admin Notice > > > > BTW - Greg and I had yet another 'unofficial' Jax.PM meeting; here in > Jax! > > So Nah-Nah-Nah - J - there really ARE members here in Jax, FL :) > > He just moved there. I'll be waiting for the "official" count that > results from your survey. :) > > IPC::Shareable is really cool. Until you reload stuff into it too many > times from a bunch of Apache/mod_perl processes and you fill it. Feh. > Four days left on this frelling program. I wanted to be done and into > documentation mode already. > > > j > > Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From wcjones at exchange.fccj.org Tue Jul 24 13:14:22 2001 From: wcjones at exchange.fccj.org (JONES, WILLIAM C) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:48 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] Jax.PM XMLBoard Message-ID: <2E9A9FBD3ED4C74093261F49BDE1D43C0A1555@fccj-mail-01.fccj.org> On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er "JONES, WILLIAM C" wrote - Well, at least the 'Search' engine is working... http://insecurity.org/cgi/XMLBoard/xmlboard.cgi?board=Jax.PM&action=read&id= 4 Sx :] > ---------- > From: JONES, WILLIAM C > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 11:46 PM > To: 'jacksonville-pm-list@hfb.pm.org' > Subject: [JaxPM] Jax.PM XMLBoard > > On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er "JONES, WILLIAM C" > wrote - > > See > http://insecurity.org/cgi/XMLBoard/xmlboard.cgi?board=Jax.PM&action=index > > It's something I am playing with at the moment - all comments welcome. > Note: the XMLBoard basically works right out of the box... > > Sx :] > > Jax.PM Moderator's Note: > This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. > The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org > to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... > > Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From sml at zfx.com Tue Jul 24 13:35:49 2001 From: sml at zfx.com (Steve Lane) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:48 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] [NON-PERL] FW: EFFector 14.15: Uproar Around the World over Sklayrov Arrest; More! References: <2E9A9FBD3ED4C74093261F49BDE1D43C0A1553@fccj-mail-01.fccj.org> Message-ID: <3B5DC005.61C4E1C6@zfx.com> On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er Steve Lane wrote - "JONES, WILLIAM C" wrote: > > On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er "JONES, WILLIAM C" wrote - > > I am interested in the groups commenst about the below: i think copyright law is on the road to extinction. until it's gone, there will be a lot of messes like this one. it's just standard legal history in action. -- Steve Lane Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From wcjones at exchange.fccj.org Fri Jul 27 08:47:54 2001 From: wcjones at exchange.fccj.org (JONES, WILLIAM C) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:48 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] [NON-PERL]: Newsletter #4 from O'Reilly UG Program Message-ID: <2E9A9FBD3ED4C74093261F49BDE1D43C8F5B78@fccj-mail-01.fccj.org> On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er "JONES, WILLIAM C" wrote - FYI - (Especially see http://lwn.net/2001/0712/ ) Sx :] > ---------- > From: Denise Olliffe > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 2:24 PM > To: bill@fccj.org > Subject: Newsletter #4 from O'Reilly UG Program > > O'Reilly User Group Program > NEWSLETTER > Volume 1, #4 > > HIGHLIGHTS THIS WEEK... > Books: > - Programming C# > - Learning Perl, 3rd Edition > - Essential SNMP > News: > - Coverage of the O'Reilly Open Source Convention > - Top 10 New Features in Oracle9i > - Rockin' in the Free Software World > - Top 10 ColdFusion Programming Tips > - Embracing the Web: Part 3 > > **************************** > NEWS from O'Reilly & Beyond > **************************** > I would be grateful if you would alert your group to the news they'd > find valuable. > > GENERAL INTEREST: > ----------------- > What is Meerkat, anyway? > Meerkat: an Open Wire Service > http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/rss/2000/03/17/about_meerkat.html > > > APPLE/MAC: > ---------- > For a look at installing PHP on OS X, see: > http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/mac/2001/07/20/php_macosx.html > > Macworld New York report: > Jobs' keynote steady, but no sizzle > http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/mac/2001/07/19/macworldny_keynote.html > > The Mac Devcenter is your source for news > http://www.oreillynet.com/mac/ > > > JAVA: > ----- > Two Lesser-Known Java API's > O'Reilly author Ian Darwin discusses regular expressions and JavaServer > Pages. For a comprehensive collection of Java programming problems, > solutions, and practical examples, check out Ian's recently released > Java Cookbook. http://java.oreilly.com/news/javacook_0701.html > > > OPEN SOURCE: > ------------ > O'Reilly Open Source Convention News Coverage: > > TODAY, see the Webcast of the Mundie vs. Tiemann debate, from the > O'Reilly Open Source Convention: > Edited version--available late Thursday at: > http://www.oreillynet.com/oscon2001/ > Complete Dr. Dobb's technetcast--available Thursday afternoon at: > http://technetcast.ddj.com/tnc_catalog.html?item_id=1267 > > Get the latest news, interviews and audio/video coverage at the > O'Reilly Network's conference site, including Craig Mundie's keynote > about Microsoft's Shared Source strategy: > http://www.oreillynet.com/oscon2001/ > > Dan Gillmor on the Future of Open Source > In this Mercury News article, Dan Gillmor is both optimistic and > concerned for the Open Source Movement: > http://www.siliconvalley.com/docs/opinion/dgillmor/dg072501.htm > > HP Opens Cooltown Source Code > CNET reports that Hewlett-Packard will release the source code for its > Cooltown computing project under the GPL. The Cooltown project attempts > to make computing services ubiquitous by attaching Web pages to > everyone and everything. HP made the announcement at this week's > O'Reilly Open Source Convention. > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-6627735.html > > Other open source news: > > Do you rock? > Dave Phillips has written a guide to free software available for > guitarists who use Linux (and vice versa). The article includes > notation formats for file exchange, instrument tuners, effects > processors, and a few cool surprises: Rockin' in the Free Software > World http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/linux/2001/07/20/linux_guitar.html > > Also see: A Response to the .NET Challenge > http://lwn.net/2001/0712/ > > > ORACLE: > ------- > Top 10 New Features in Oracle 9i > http://oracle.oreilly.com/news/oracleessential_0701.html > > > MICROSOFT/.NET: > --------------- > A Response to the .NET Challenge: > The open source community's response to Microsoft's .NET platform is > summarized in this Linux Weekly News editorial: > http://lwn.net/2001/0712/ > > Embracing the Web: Part 3 > The final installment of a three-part series examining the concepts > behind Microsoft's .NET platform: > http://dotnet.oreilly.com/news/netframework3_0701.html > > > WEB: > ---- > Top 10 ColdFusion Programming Tips > http://web.oreilly.com/news/coldfusion_0701.html > > > WIRELESS: > --------- > Monitor your home remotely (although, my dog would probably object) by > using your mobile phone: > Home Monitor on a Cell Phone > http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/wireless/2001/07/23/monitor.html > > > ************************************************* > BOOKS hot off the press--REVIEW COPIES AVAILABLE > ************************************************* > > Please email me to request review copies. > Press announcement available for your use, please ask for a copy. > For UPCOMING titles, go to: > http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/new.html > > Programming C# > http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/progcsharp/ > Sample Chapter: > http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/progcsharp/chapter/ch18.html > > Learning Perl, 3rd Edition > http://oreilly.com/catalog/lperl3/ > Sample Chapter: > http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/lperl3/chapter/ch04.html > > Essential SNMP > http://oreilly.com/catalog/esnmp/ > Sample Chapter: > http://oreilly.com/catalog/esnmp/chapter/ch02.html > > BOOK REVIEWS: > ------------- > Thanks to all UGs that review our books, and post reviews online or in > monthly newsletters--we appreciate it. Here are a few online: > > Java Metroplex Users Group reviews "Java Security, 2nd Edition": > http://www.javamug.org/reviews/ora/javasec.html > > CedarLUG reviews "Learning Python": > http://www.cedarlug.org/ > other O'Reilly titles also reviewed by CedarLUG at this site > > > ****************************** > ANNOUNCEMENTS from your peers > ****************************** > If your UG has an announcement that you'd like my help communicating to > other groups, let me know. I'm happy to include the info in an upcoming > newsletter. Please include complete contact info for your group. > > > **************** > Throw me a bone > **************** > > This month, I'm searching for user groups with the following interests > to join the O'Reilly UG Program: > > - Wireless > - .NET > - ColdFusion > - XP > - C# or C++ > - Bioinformatics (Perl or Python groups may find this of interest) > > If you happen to know of a group, please pass on contact info. Who > knows, maybe there's a goodie in it for you. > > > > Until next week, > Denise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From wcjones at exchange.fccj.org Tue Jul 31 11:30:59 2001 From: wcjones at exchange.fccj.org (JONES, WILLIAM C) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:48 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] [NON-PERL]: Newsletter #4 from O'Reilly UG Program Message-ID: <2E9A9FBD3ED4C74093261F49BDE1D43C8F5BBA@fccj-mail-01.fccj.org> On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er "JONES, WILLIAM C" wrote - Pls see: http://www.mysql.com/news/article-75.html Paraphrasing other appears popular these days: "A threat to one company's Open Source freedom is a threat to Open Source Everywhere..." Q) How many thought the www.mysql.org site was authorized by MySQL AB? I did - I was mistaken... Sx Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From jproctor at oit.umass.edu Tue Jul 31 12:45:27 2001 From: jproctor at oit.umass.edu (j proctor) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:48 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] [NON-PERL]: Newsletter #4 from O'Reilly UG Program In-Reply-To: <2E9A9FBD3ED4C74093261F49BDE1D43C8F5BBA@fccj-mail-01.fccj.org> Message-ID: On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er j proctor wrote - > Q) How many thought the www.mysql.org site was authorized by MySQL AB? I never visited it before the controversy. I've seen some cool Perl stuff coming out of NuSphere over the last year or so, so I was actually a little surprised to see the whole mess going on. Of course, I was going to tcx.se until they pulled the page and started telling everyone to go to mysql.com. j Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments...