From mikeflan at att.net  Tue Jan 16 18:54:43 2018
From: mikeflan at att.net (Mike Flannigan)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 20:54:43 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Marriage License Data
Message-ID: <f65c4864-8b82-dafb-24e6-85cb6e90e705@att.net>


This is an archive of a website that went dead in 2011:
https://web.archive.org/web/20090609191130/http://www.vienici.com:80/moabs/lookups.html

The 3rd search box (link) takes you to:
https://web.archive.org/web/20090306211924/http://www.vienici.com:80/moabs/yearlastwild.asp

The search does not work on that page, for obvious reasons.  I have looked at
the page source and decided the search was run by javascript, but I could be
wrong about that.  If you are snowed in and have some time to devote to this,
what I want to know is what format was the marriage license data in on this
guys server.  I don't think that can be told from the page source, but I thought
I would ask you guys.  Perhaps you would need the ASP file to tell that??
It was not a huge amount of data, so it could have been in almost any format.

The reason I am asking is because we are trying to find that data 6 years
after the guy died.

I'm pretty sure he had an account at the Wayback Machine, and he may have stored
the data there, in addition to other places.


Mike

From drzigman at drzigman.com  Wed Jan 17 11:21:18 2018
From: drzigman at drzigman.com (Robert Stone)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 13:21:18 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Marriage License Data
In-Reply-To: <f65c4864-8b82-dafb-24e6-85cb6e90e705@att.net>
References: <f65c4864-8b82-dafb-24e6-85cb6e90e705@att.net>
Message-ID: <CAAvSPpTnE1+_creuLtvBb3yeWH=-U8qV1cJ1Lw2LvW0yyoxJAQ@mail.gmail.com>

(resending this without images due to mailing list size limit)

Greetings,

tl;dr - While the form likely connected to a database/datastore and there
is no way to retrieve that, the wayback machine archived a lot (but not
all) of the data in another format.

*The Bad News*

So for funsies I took a look at this form and the HTML for it.  Turns out that
the information entered is POST'ed back to the server at yearlastwild.asp
to handle the request.  Just to be absolutely certain, I went ahead and
submitted a request monitoring the network traffic and confirmed the POST
request.  That ASP script was likely connecting to some sort of database to
retrieve and then format the data for presentation.

Just to be SUPER certain there wasn't a whole huge blob of javascript
representing the dataset (which would be incredibly unlikely, but you never
know...) and the largest request is 27.7 KB, and it's for a font.

*The Good News*

Well, then, let's see if the marriage data is presented in any other format
on the site, like a big huge list.  Crazier things have happened...

https://web.archive.org/web/20030208012802/http://vienici.
com:80/abmomarr.html


If we scroll down we can see Washington County and if we select the He- we
can see the same entry for Henry S:

https://web.archive.org/web/20030219131906/http://vienici.
com:80/moabs/xmarrwash/xhe-j.html

Which actually matches the data from yearlastwild.asp (although, only the
name and date are contained here and not the description).

So it seems for washing county there is some data and possibly more from
the Washing County GenWeb.  I do see for other counties there is much more
data, such as Franklin County:
https://web.archive.org/web/20030407195843/http://www.
vienici.com:80/mofran/vB/p201225.html

With some work and a whole bunch of parsing you could recreate a good
chunk!  Of course, I'd probably hunt high and low to see if someone else
had this dataset I could use (or buy) but nice to know at least parts of it
live on.

Hopefully you find the above helpful.

Best Regards,
Robert Stone

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 8:54 PM, Mike Flannigan <mikeflan at att.net> wrote:

>
> This is an archive of a website that went dead in 2011:
> https://web.archive.org/web/20090609191130/http://www.vienic
> i.com:80/moabs/lookups.html
>
> The 3rd search box (link) takes you to:
> https://web.archive.org/web/20090306211924/http://www.vienic
> i.com:80/moabs/yearlastwild.asp
>
> The search does not work on that page, for obvious reasons.  I have looked
> at
> the page source and decided the search was run by javascript, but I could
> be
> wrong about that.  If you are snowed in and have some time to devote to
> this,
> what I want to know is what format was the marriage license data in on this
> guys server.  I don't think that can be told from the page source, but I
> thought
> I would ask you guys.  Perhaps you would need the ASP file to tell that??
> It was not a huge amount of data, so it could have been in almost any
> format.
>
> The reason I am asking is because we are trying to find that data 6 years
> after the guy died.
>
> I'm pretty sure he had an account at the Wayback Machine, and he may have
> stored
> the data there, in addition to other places.
>
>
> Mike
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>
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From mikeflan at att.net  Wed Jan 17 15:40:47 2018
From: mikeflan at att.net (Mike Flannigan)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 17:40:47 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Marriage License Data
In-Reply-To: <CAAvSPpTnE1+_creuLtvBb3yeWH=-U8qV1cJ1Lw2LvW0yyoxJAQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f65c4864-8b82-dafb-24e6-85cb6e90e705@att.net>
	<CAAvSPpTnE1+_creuLtvBb3yeWH=-U8qV1cJ1Lw2LvW0yyoxJAQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <58afe9c5-552e-9cd2-0fee-7b62583f45a5@att.net>


Thanks so much for looking into that Robert.

I was trying to download this information by doing a
LWP::Simple
my $retcode1 = getstore( $second, "$dir/$first" );
on links like this:
https://web.archive.org/web/20131005142948/http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com:80/~caulleyfamilyinfo/MissouriMarriages/Franklin18451864BookBConsolidatedIndex.txt

Which gives me a text file similar to the attached HTM file.
That file has a bunch of HTML in it that produces the data in a
text scroll if you open it in a browser.? I am embarrassed to
say that all my efforts to obtain the data straight away were
unsuccessful.? I expected
use LWP::UserAgent;
my $ua = LWP::UserAgent->new;
$ua->agent("Mozilla/8.0"); # pretend we are very capable browser

or

use LWP::UserAgent;
my $ua = LWP::UserAgent->new;
$ua->agent("$0/0.1 " . $ua->agent);

to work, but they download the same HTML file
as the attached one.

I'll probably figure this out someday, but for the moment I am
trying to limit the time I spend on this embarrassing situation :-)
But I just can't help myself.? I am still working on it a little.

This is not a lot of data, so I can certainly get it, but I am
more interested in fixing the problem I have obtaining the data
than actually getting the data.? I don't really care too much
about the data, but others do.



Mike



On 1/17/2018 1:21 PM, Robert Stone wrote:
> (resending this without images due to mailing list size limit)
>
> Greetings,
>
> tl;dr - While the form likely connected to a database/datastore and 
> there is no way to retrieve that, the wayback machine archived a lot 
> (but not all) of the data in another format.
>
> *The Bad News*
>
> So for funsies I took a look at this form and the HTML for it.? Turns 
> out?that the information entered is POST'ed back to the server at 
> yearlastwild.asp to handle the request.? Just to be absolutely 
> certain, I went ahead and submitted a request monitoring the network 
> traffic and confirmed the POST request. That ASP script was likely 
> connecting to some sort of database to retrieve and then format the 
> data for presentation.
>
> Just to be SUPER certain there wasn't a whole huge blob of javascript 
> representing the dataset (which would be incredibly unlikely, but you 
> never know...) and the largest request is 27.7 KB, and it's for a font.
>
> *The Good News*
> *
> *
> Well, then, let's see if the marriage data is presented in any other 
> format on the site, like a big huge list.? Crazier things have happened...
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/20030208012802/http://vienici.com:80/abmomarr.html 
> <https://web.archive.org/web/20030208012802/http://vienici.com:80/abmomarr.html>
>
>
> If we scroll down we can see Washington County and if we select the 
> He- we can see the same entry for Henry S:
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/20030219131906/http://vienici.com:80/moabs/xmarrwash/xhe-j.html 
> <https://web.archive.org/web/20030219131906/http://vienici.com:80/moabs/xmarrwash/xhe-j.html>
>
> Which actually matches the data from yearlastwild.asp (although, only 
> the name and date are contained here and not the description).
>
> So it seems for washing county there is some data and possibly more 
> from the Washing County GenWeb.? I do see for other counties there is 
> much more data, such as Franklin County:
> https://web.archive.org/web/20030407195843/http://www.vienici.com:80/mofran/vB/p201225.html 
> <https://web.archive.org/web/20030407195843/http://www.vienici.com:80/mofran/vB/p201225.html>
>
> With some work and a whole bunch of parsing you could recreate a good 
> chunk!? Of course, I'd probably hunt high and low to see if someone 
> else had this dataset I could use (or buy) but nice to know at least 
> parts of it live on.
>
> Hopefully you find the above helpful.
>
> Best Regards,
> Robert Stone
>
> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 8:54 PM, Mike Flannigan <mikeflan at att.net 
> <mailto:mikeflan at att.net>> wrote:
>
>
>     This is an archive of a website that went dead in 2011:
>     https://web.archive.org/web/20090609191130/http://www.vienici.com:80/moabs/lookups.html
>     <https://web.archive.org/web/20090609191130/http://www.vienici.com:80/moabs/lookups.html>
>
>     The 3rd search box (link) takes you to:
>     https://web.archive.org/web/20090306211924/http://www.vienici.com:80/moabs/yearlastwild.asp
>     <https://web.archive.org/web/20090306211924/http://www.vienici.com:80/moabs/yearlastwild.asp>
>
>     The search does not work on that page, for obvious reasons. I have
>     looked at
>     the page source and decided the search was run by javascript, but
>     I could be
>     wrong about that.? If you are snowed in and have some time to
>     devote to this,
>     what I want to know is what format was the marriage license data
>     in on this
>     guys server.? I don't think that can be told from the page source,
>     but I thought
>     I would ask you guys.? Perhaps you would need the ASP file to tell
>     that??
>     It was not a huge amount of data, so it could have been in almost
>     any format.
>
>     The reason I am asking is because we are trying to find that data
>     6 years
>     after the guy died.
>
>     I'm pretty sure he had an account at the Wayback Machine, and he
>     may have stored
>     the data there, in addition to other places.
>
>
>     Mike
>     _______________________________________________
>     Houston mailing list
>     Houston at pm.org <mailto:Houston at pm.org>
>     http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
>     <http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston>
>     Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/

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From drzigman at drzigman.com  Wed Jan 17 11:12:40 2018
From: drzigman at drzigman.com (Robert Stone)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 13:12:40 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Marriage License Data
In-Reply-To: <f65c4864-8b82-dafb-24e6-85cb6e90e705@att.net>
References: <f65c4864-8b82-dafb-24e6-85cb6e90e705@att.net>
Message-ID: <CAAvSPpTpWbftdpbME5es3Ryetdr=0rvWeRYLpdkaFVnXZzfonA@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings,

tl;dr - While the form likely connected to a database/datastore and there
is no way to retrieve that, the wayback machine archived a lot (but not
all) of the data in another format.

*The Bad News*

So for funsies I took a look at this form:

[image: Inline image 1]

And the HTML for it:

[image: Inline image 2]

>From this we can see that the information entered is POST'ed back to the
server at yearlastwild.asp to handle the request.  Just to be absolutely
certain, I went ahead and submitted a request monitoring the network
traffic:

[image: Inline image 3]

And there we see the post request.  That ASP script was likely connecting
to some sort of database to retrieve and then format the data for
presentation.

Just to be SUPER certain there wasn't a whole huge blob of javascript
representing the dataset (which would be incredibly unlikely, but you never
know...):

[image: Inline image 4]

There largest request is 27.7 KB, and it's for a font.

*The Good News*

Well, then, let's see if the marriage data is presented in any other format
on the site, like a big huge list.  Crazier things have happened...

https://web.archive.org/web/20030208012802/http://vienici.com:80/abmomarr.html

[image: Inline image 5]

If we scroll down we can see Washington County:

[image: Inline image 6]


And if we select the He- we can see the same entry for Henry S:

https://web.archive.org/web/20030219131906/http://vienici.com:80/moabs/xmarrwash/xhe-j.html

[image: Inline image 7]

Which actually matches the data from yearlastwild.asp:

[image: Inline image 8]

So it seems for washing county there is some data and possibly more from
the Washing County GenWeb.  I do see for other counties there is much more
data, such as Franklin County:
https://web.archive.org/web/20030407195843/http://www.vienici.com:80/mofran/vB/p201225.html

[image: Inline image 9]

So with some work and a whole bunch of parsing you could recreate a good
chunk!  Of course, I'd probably hunt high and low to see if someone else
had this dataset I could use (or buy) but nice to know at least parts of it
live on.

Hopefully you find the above helpful.

Best Regards,
Robert Stone


On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 8:54 PM, Mike Flannigan <mikeflan at att.net> wrote:

>
> This is an archive of a website that went dead in 2011:
> https://web.archive.org/web/20090609191130/http://www.vienic
> i.com:80/moabs/lookups.html
>
> The 3rd search box (link) takes you to:
> https://web.archive.org/web/20090306211924/http://www.vienic
> i.com:80/moabs/yearlastwild.asp
>
> The search does not work on that page, for obvious reasons.  I have looked
> at
> the page source and decided the search was run by javascript, but I could
> be
> wrong about that.  If you are snowed in and have some time to devote to
> this,
> what I want to know is what format was the marriage license data in on this
> guys server.  I don't think that can be told from the page source, but I
> thought
> I would ask you guys.  Perhaps you would need the ASP file to tell that??
> It was not a huge amount of data, so it could have been in almost any
> format.
>
> The reason I am asking is because we are trying to find that data 6 years
> after the guy died.
>
> I'm pretty sure he had an account at the Wayback Machine, and he may have
> stored
> the data there, in addition to other places.
>
>
> Mike
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>
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