From gwadej at anomaly.org Tue May 2 18:20:50 2017 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 20:20:50 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] May Houston.pm meeting Message-ID: <20170502202050.4c3e07f3@cygnus> Well, the plans I had for the next meeting don't look like they are coming through. Is anyone up for doing a presentation for next meeting (May 11, next Thursday) at cPanel? If no one volunteers, we may be stuck with whatever I can come up with. G. Wade -- Cannot say. Saying I would know, do not know, so cannot say. -- Zathras - "The War without End" From drzigman at drzigman.com Tue May 2 20:03:27 2017 From: drzigman at drzigman.com (Robert Stone) Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 22:03:27 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] May Houston.pm meeting In-Reply-To: <20170502202050.4c3e07f3@cygnus> References: <20170502202050.4c3e07f3@cygnus> Message-ID: Greetings, As an idea, what if we did "Live Code Reviews" at our next meeting? The idea is that three-ish folks would use the projector and walk us through them performing a code review. Some potential benefits: 1. Reading different styles of code 2. Learn additional code smells 3. Exposure to how someone else performs code review 4. Free code review for victims.. err I mean "volunteers" It wouldn't take too much preparation for the presenters and we could even have a few folks volunteer their CPAN modules or other code for us to review. Alternatively, anything that Wade presents is always a treat. Best Regards, Robert Stone On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 8:20 PM, G. Wade Johnson wrote: > Well, the plans I had for the next meeting don't look like they are > coming through. > > Is anyone up for doing a presentation for next meeting (May 11, next > Thursday) at cPanel? > > If no one volunteers, we may be stuck with whatever I can come up with. > G. Wade > -- > Cannot say. Saying I would know, do not know, so cannot say. > -- Zathras - "The War without End" > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlbprof at gmail.com Wed May 3 06:12:58 2017 From: jlbprof at gmail.com (Julian Brown) Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 08:12:58 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] May Houston.pm meeting In-Reply-To: References: <20170502202050.4c3e07f3@cygnus> Message-ID: Robert and everyone At this time I do not have any code that I want reviewed. How about picking some Open Source or CPAN code to tear apart. We can tear it apart and call the author funny names :)? I could see it going like this, several people volunteer to find some code via Github or CPAN. Then that person presents the code and we all review it, then the next person etc. Could be fun? Maybe we can find some useful code we all use to review? Julian On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 10:03 PM, Robert Stone wrote: > Greetings, > > As an idea, what if we did "Live Code Reviews" at our next meeting? > > The idea is that three-ish folks would use the projector and walk us > through them performing a code review. Some potential benefits: > > 1. Reading different styles of code > 2. Learn additional code smells > 3. Exposure to how someone else performs code review > 4. Free code review for victims.. err I mean "volunteers" > > It wouldn't take too much preparation for the presenters and we could even > have a few folks volunteer their CPAN modules or other code for us to > review. > > Alternatively, anything that Wade presents is always a treat. > > Best Regards, > Robert Stone > > On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 8:20 PM, G. Wade Johnson > wrote: > >> Well, the plans I had for the next meeting don't look like they are >> coming through. >> >> Is anyone up for doing a presentation for next meeting (May 11, next >> Thursday) at cPanel? >> >> If no one volunteers, we may be stuck with whatever I can come up with. >> G. Wade >> -- >> Cannot say. Saying I would know, do not know, so cannot say. >> -- Zathras - "The War without End" >> _______________________________________________ >> Houston mailing list >> Houston at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston >> Website: http://houston.pm.org/ >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Free code review for victims.. err I mean "volunteers" It wouldn't take too much preparation for the presenters and we could even have a few folks volunteer their CPAN modules or other code for us to review. Alternatively, anything that Wade presents is always a treat. Best Regards, Robert Stone On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 8:20 PM, G. Wade Johnson > wrote: Well, the plans I had for the next meeting don't look like they are coming through. Is anyone up for doing a presentation for next meeting (May 11, next Thursday) at cPanel? If no one volunteers, we may be stuck with whatever I can come up with. G. Wade -- Cannot say. Saying I would know, do not know, so cannot say. -- Zathras - "The War without End" _______________________________________________ Houston mailing list Houston at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston Website: http://houston.pm.org/ _______________________________________________ Houston mailing list Houston at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston Website: http://houston.pm.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlbprof at gmail.com Thu May 4 06:37:16 2017 From: jlbprof at gmail.com (Julian Brown) Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 08:37:16 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] May Houston.pm meeting In-Reply-To: References: <20170502202050.4c3e07f3@cygnus> Message-ID: I promise not to laugh (too much) :) Julian On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 10:06 PM, Jim Bacon wrote: > I?d be interested in doing this as either a reviewer or a ?victim? (I have > a couple of CPAN modules that would be good candidates for this). > > Jim > > On May 2, 2017, at 8:03 PM, Robert Stone wrote: > > Greetings, > > As an idea, what if we did "Live Code Reviews" at our next meeting? > > The idea is that three-ish folks would use the projector and walk us > through them performing a code review. Some potential benefits: > > 1. Reading different styles of code > 2. Learn additional code smells > 3. Exposure to how someone else performs code review > 4. Free code review for victims.. err I mean "volunteers" > > It wouldn't take too much preparation for the presenters and we could even > have a few folks volunteer their CPAN modules or other code for us to > review. > > Alternatively, anything that Wade presents is always a treat. > > Best Regards, > Robert Stone > > On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 8:20 PM, G. Wade Johnson > wrote: > >> Well, the plans I had for the next meeting don't look like they are >> coming through. >> >> Is anyone up for doing a presentation for next meeting (May 11, next >> Thursday) at cPanel? >> >> If no one volunteers, we may be stuck with whatever I can come up with. >> G. Wade >> -- >> Cannot say. Saying I would know, do not know, so cannot say. >> -- Zathras - "The War without End" >> _______________________________________________ >> Houston mailing list >> Houston at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston >> Website: http://houston.pm.org/ >> > > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gwadej at anomaly.org Sun May 7 19:32:07 2017 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 21:32:07 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] May Houston.pm meeting Message-ID: <20170507213207.51f53acf@cygnus> The code review session sounds like an interesting new thing to try. In order to make this work, we'll need to have 2-3 modules that people are willing to have reviewed. Jim has volunteered some code. Anyone else? We also need to set some ground rules about the kind of review we are going for. - Level of pickiness - Style issues? - Bugs only - Maintainability - Security? - Architectural improvements? I'd also suggest that people carefully think in terms of three different kinds of comments: - Question - Looking for clarification - Might suggest minor change or documentation for clarity - Comment - Non-fatal issue that might be worth changing or considering - Flaw - Bug - Logic error Obviously, we have no way of enforcing changes. And, we want to all remain friendly after the fact. We are just looking for good quality code in the end. Does this sound like an approach that everyone can agree to? G. Wade -- Uncertainty is an uncomfortable position. But certainty is an absurd one. -- Voltaire From jlbprof at gmail.com Mon May 8 05:11:04 2017 From: jlbprof at gmail.com (Julian Brown) Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 07:11:04 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] May Houston.pm meeting In-Reply-To: <20170507213207.51f53acf@cygnus> References: <20170507213207.51f53acf@cygnus> Message-ID: To the first list, may we add performance improvements as well? Julian On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 9:32 PM, G. Wade Johnson wrote: > The code review session sounds like an interesting new thing to try. In > order to make this work, we'll need to have 2-3 modules that people are > willing to have reviewed. > > Jim has volunteered some code. Anyone else? > > We also need to set some ground rules about the kind of review we are > going for. > > - Level of pickiness > - Style issues? > - Bugs only > - Maintainability > - Security? > - Architectural improvements? > > I'd also suggest that people carefully think in terms of three > different kinds of comments: > > - Question > - Looking for clarification > - Might suggest minor change or documentation for clarity > - Comment > - Non-fatal issue that might be worth changing or considering > - Flaw > - Bug > - Logic error > > Obviously, we have no way of enforcing changes. And, we want to all > remain friendly after the fact. We are just looking for good quality > code in the end. > > Does this sound like an approach that everyone can agree to? > > G. Wade > -- > Uncertainty is an uncomfortable position. But certainty is an absurd > one. -- Voltaire > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gwadej at anomaly.org Mon May 8 05:21:30 2017 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 07:21:30 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] May Houston.pm meeting In-Reply-To: References: <20170507213207.51f53acf@cygnus> Message-ID: <20170508072130.7bf0ea8d@cygnus> On Mon, 8 May 2017 07:11:04 -0500 Julian Brown wrote: > To the first list, may we add performance improvements as well? Sure. The list was meant as a starting point for discussion. G. Wade > Julian > > > On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 9:32 PM, G. Wade Johnson > wrote: > > > The code review session sounds like an interesting new thing to > > try. In order to make this work, we'll need to have 2-3 modules > > that people are willing to have reviewed. > > > > Jim has volunteered some code. Anyone else? > > > > We also need to set some ground rules about the kind of review we > > are going for. > > > > - Level of pickiness > > - Style issues? > > - Bugs only > > - Maintainability > > - Security? > > - Architectural improvements? > > > > I'd also suggest that people carefully think in terms of three > > different kinds of comments: > > > > - Question > > - Looking for clarification > > - Might suggest minor change or documentation for clarity > > - Comment > > - Non-fatal issue that might be worth changing or considering > > - Flaw > > - Bug > > - Logic error > > > > Obviously, we have no way of enforcing changes. And, we want to all > > remain friendly after the fact. We are just looking for good quality > > code in the end. > > > > Does this sound like an approach that everyone can agree to? > > > > G. Wade > > -- > > Uncertainty is an uncomfortable position. But certainty is an absurd > > one. -- Voltaire > > _______________________________________________ > > Houston mailing list > > Houston at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > > -- There are 2 possible outcomes: If the result confirms the hypothesis, then you've made a measurement. If the result is contrary to the hypothesis, then you've made a discovery. -- Enrico Fermi From drzigman at drzigman.com Mon May 8 07:32:10 2017 From: drzigman at drzigman.com (Robert Stone) Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 09:32:10 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] May Houston.pm meeting In-Reply-To: <20170508072130.7bf0ea8d@cygnus> References: <20170507213207.51f53acf@cygnus> <20170508072130.7bf0ea8d@cygnus> Message-ID: Greetings, I always have bad code I've written to volunteer. 6 months ago Robert was an idiot and 6 months from now Robert is a jerk! As for the actual reviews, while I like the idea of doing them "as a group" I think that may be a bit difficult to actually do. Having a single person leading each review exposes us to their style and shows us what is important to them. Some people might not care that you used " when no variables were being interpolated, others might have a watchful eye for mixed usage of "!" with "and". I think by having us watch a series of live code reviews we get the most possible exposure to different styles and values. I'm less interested in getting good code (but if anyone says I said that I'll deny it) and more interested in seeing how others actually perform the reviews and what they are looking for. As an example, if John was to review I'd expect him to be looking for security issues and his bag of grep tricks, if Wade were to review I'd expect more of a focus on code smells, algorithms, and readability. Seeing these two contrasted styles could be very interesting! That being said, if you think we can make group reviews work I'm certain down to give it a shot. Here is a list of my CPAN modules I feel might be appropriate for review: *Small, Well Isolated, Easy to Follow:* https://metacpan.org/pod/DBIx::Class::InflateColumn::Math::Currency https://metacpan.org/pod/DBIx::Class::InflateColumn::Time https://metacpan.org/pod/Dancer::Plugin::Legacy::Routing *Medium Complexity, Originally Part of a Perl Mongers Presentation:* https://metacpan.org/pod/Game::WordBrain https://metacpan.org/pod/Crypt::Rijndael::PP *Interesting (Command Pattern!) But Much Larger:* https://metacpan.org/pod/WWW::eNom https://metacpan.org/pod/WWW::LogicBoxes I offer up all of these but recommend the small and well isolated ones in the interests of time and ease of understanding. Alternatively, the modules that resulted from presentations could be interesting to see again. However we go about this though, I think it's going to be quite enlightening and fun! Best Regards, Robert Stone On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 7:21 AM, G. Wade Johnson wrote: > On Mon, 8 May 2017 07:11:04 -0500 > Julian Brown wrote: > > > To the first list, may we add performance improvements as well? > > Sure. > The list was meant as a starting point for discussion. > > G. Wade > > > Julian > > > > > > On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 9:32 PM, G. Wade Johnson > > wrote: > > > > > The code review session sounds like an interesting new thing to > > > try. In order to make this work, we'll need to have 2-3 modules > > > that people are willing to have reviewed. > > > > > > Jim has volunteered some code. Anyone else? > > > > > > We also need to set some ground rules about the kind of review we > > > are going for. > > > > > > - Level of pickiness > > > - Style issues? > > > - Bugs only > > > - Maintainability > > > - Security? > > > - Architectural improvements? > > > > > > I'd also suggest that people carefully think in terms of three > > > different kinds of comments: > > > > > > - Question > > > - Looking for clarification > > > - Might suggest minor change or documentation for clarity > > > - Comment > > > - Non-fatal issue that might be worth changing or considering > > > - Flaw > > > - Bug > > > - Logic error > > > > > > Obviously, we have no way of enforcing changes. And, we want to all > > > remain friendly after the fact. We are just looking for good quality > > > code in the end. > > > > > > Does this sound like an approach that everyone can agree to? > > > > > > G. Wade > > > -- > > > Uncertainty is an uncomfortable position. 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URL: From boftx at hotmail.com Sun May 7 19:43:43 2017 From: boftx at hotmail.com (Jim Bacon) Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 02:43:43 +0000 Subject: [pm-h] May Houston.pm meeting In-Reply-To: <20170507213207.51f53acf@cygnus> References: <20170507213207.51f53acf@cygnus> Message-ID: I think that critiques of documentation are as important as those of style and maintainability. That also includes level of comments. What comments could be included to clarify logic as well and comments that just muddy the waters. Jim > On May 7, 2017, at 7:32 PM, G. Wade Johnson wrote: > > The code review session sounds like an interesting new thing to try. In > order to make this work, we'll need to have 2-3 modules that people are > willing to have reviewed. > > Jim has volunteered some code. Anyone else? > > We also need to set some ground rules about the kind of review we are > going for. > > - Level of pickiness > - Style issues? > - Bugs only > - Maintainability > - Security? > - Architectural improvements? > > I'd also suggest that people carefully think in terms of three > different kinds of comments: > > - Question > - Looking for clarification > - Might suggest minor change or documentation for clarity > - Comment > - Non-fatal issue that might be worth changing or considering > - Flaw > - Bug > - Logic error > > Obviously, we have no way of enforcing changes. And, we want to all > remain friendly after the fact. We are just looking for good quality > code in the end. > > Does this sound like an approach that everyone can agree to? > > G. Wade > -- > Uncertainty is an uncomfortable position. But certainty is an absurd > one. -- Voltaire > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ From jlbprof at gmail.com Mon May 8 12:26:41 2017 From: jlbprof at gmail.com (Julian Brown) Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 14:26:41 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] May Houston.pm meeting In-Reply-To: References: <20170507213207.51f53acf@cygnus> Message-ID: You did Rijndael in Pure Perl it must be tough to get any performance out of it. On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 9:43 PM, Jim Bacon wrote: > I think that critiques of documentation are as important as those of style > and maintainability. That also includes level of comments. What comments > could be included to clarify logic as well and comments that just muddy the > waters. > > Jim > > > On May 7, 2017, at 7:32 PM, G. Wade Johnson wrote: > > > > The code review session sounds like an interesting new thing to try. In > > order to make this work, we'll need to have 2-3 modules that people are > > willing to have reviewed. > > > > Jim has volunteered some code. Anyone else? > > > > We also need to set some ground rules about the kind of review we are > > going for. > > > > - Level of pickiness > > - Style issues? > > - Bugs only > > - Maintainability > > - Security? > > - Architectural improvements? > > > > I'd also suggest that people carefully think in terms of three > > different kinds of comments: > > > > - Question > > - Looking for clarification > > - Might suggest minor change or documentation for clarity > > - Comment > > - Non-fatal issue that might be worth changing or considering > > - Flaw > > - Bug > > - Logic error > > > > Obviously, we have no way of enforcing changes. And, we want to all > > remain friendly after the fact. We are just looking for good quality > > code in the end. > > > > Does this sound like an approach that everyone can agree to? > > > > G. Wade > > -- > > Uncertainty is an uncomfortable position. But certainty is an absurd > > one. -- Voltaire > > _______________________________________________ > > Houston mailing list > > Houston at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gwadej at anomaly.org Mon May 8 18:10:32 2017 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 20:10:32 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] May Houston.pm meeting: Live Code Reviews at cPanel Message-ID: <20170508201032.20975f0a@cygnus> This month's technical meeting will be held at cPanel, Inc. on Thursday May 11, starting at 7pm. As usual, we will meet in the lobby between 6:30pm and 7pm. The group will be performing live code reviews of a small number of modules. Some of the members will drive reviews with different focus. I'm looking forward to seeing people there. G. Wade -- Results are what you wanted, consequences are what you got. -- Michael VanDusen From jlbprof at gmail.com Mon May 15 08:56:26 2017 From: jlbprof at gmail.com (Julian Brown) Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 10:56:26 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Nostalgic Project Message-ID: Guys After Wade's code review of his sparkline code, that was written in a different time and place, but is still cool. I propose a nostalgic look at a project I worked on in the late 80's or early 90's before Linux was available, or even the Intertubes, at the next meeting. I originally wrote this on Micro$oft Xenix (you read that right a Micro$oft Unix variant). I was working in computational science at the time simulating Gas and Gas Liquid platforms. I long ago lost the code, and the paper I wrote, but I remember the main tenets and have started creating a set of slides on it. I called the project "Parallel Objective" and wanted it to work on a "Connection Machine" which unfortunately I did not have access to. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connection_Machine They did not have Github back then or an easy way to do Open Source like we have now. I never got the project off the ground but would be interested to see if you like the project and would like me to present my more up to date version (no code is written), especially from a security standpoint. Back then security beyond a login was not known. If it is still slightly relevant, I might build it after your review. A lot of work on parallel computing in computational science has happened since then. Are you interested? Julian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Wade Johnson) Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 17:17:28 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Orange County PM monthly coding challenge In-Reply-To: <1495039304.2195.1.camel@nixnuts.net> References: <1495039304.2195.1.camel@nixnuts.net> Message-ID: <20170521171728.1eebb52e@cygnus> On Wed, 17 May 2017 11:41:44 -0500 John Lightsey wrote: > This was posted to twitter and looked like a really interesting > concept for a PM group. > > Anyone want to give it a whirl to discuss at our June meeting? > > http://oc.pm.org/may_challenge.html This looks like an interesting challenge. What do people think? Should we try to solve it individually before hand and demonstrate ideas at the meeting? G. Wade -- I've been living on the edge too long, where the winds of limbo roar. -- "Veteran of Psychic Wars", Blue Oyster Cult From mikeflan at att.net Sun May 21 16:20:51 2017 From: mikeflan at att.net (Mike Flannigan) Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 18:20:51 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Orange County PM monthly coding challenge In-Reply-To: <20170521171728.1eebb52e@cygnus> References: <1495039304.2195.1.camel@nixnuts.net> <20170521171728.1eebb52e@cygnus> Message-ID: <6fd8ea25-8de6-eb21-e472-39387b922c61@att.net> On 5/21/2017 5:17 PM, G. Wade Johnson wrote: > This looks like an interesting challenge. What do people think? Should > we try to solve it individually before hand and demonstrate ideas at > the meeting? > > G. Wade I'm too stupid to realize the complexity of this. One would think that if they supply the row, column, and color, that would be very straight forward and easy to solve. Mike From jlbprof at gmail.com Wed May 24 16:37:22 2017 From: jlbprof at gmail.com (Julian Brown) Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 18:37:22 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Micro$soft large scale git Message-ID: Micro$oft is not my favorite company, but this is real interesting. https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/bharry/2017/05/24/the-largest-git-repo-on-the-planet/ Julian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gwadej at anomaly.org Tue May 30 05:33:52 2017 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 07:33:52 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Changes to Houston.pm site and mailing list Message-ID: <20170530073352.58ecd077@cygnus> Hi everyone, I got a message a short while back that pm.org was dropping it's hosting of websites and mailing lists. As of this morning, I have houston.pm.org up and running on new hosting and everything redirected appropriately. There should be no interruption there. Unfortunately, I cannot just do redirection magic for the mailing list. So, I have created a new houston.pm.org mailing list that will replace this one. pm.org will be closing this one down around the middle of June. You can join the new mailing list at http://houston.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston_houston.pm.org Look forward to seeing everyone there. G. Wade -- "The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote." -- Ambassador Kosh, "Believers" From jlbprof at gmail.com Tue May 30 06:09:39 2017 From: jlbprof at gmail.com (Julian Brown) Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 08:09:39 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Changes to Houston.pm site and mailing list In-Reply-To: <20170530073352.58ecd077@cygnus> References: <20170530073352.58ecd077@cygnus> Message-ID: Do we have to reup on the new mailing list or will it work with the new address as it did before? Julian On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 7:33 AM, G. Wade Johnson wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I got a message a short while back that pm.org was dropping it's > hosting of websites and mailing lists. > > As of this morning, I have houston.pm.org up and running on new hosting > and everything redirected appropriately. There should be no > interruption there. > > Unfortunately, I cannot just do redirection magic for the mailing list. > So, I have created a new houston.pm.org mailing list that will replace > this one. pm.org will be closing this one down around the middle of > June. You can join the new mailing list at > http://houston.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston_houston.pm.org > > Look forward to seeing everyone there. > G. Wade > -- > "The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to > vote." -- Ambassador Kosh, "Believers" > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From todd at rinaldo.us Tue May 30 06:13:28 2017 From: todd at rinaldo.us (Todd Rinaldo) Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 13:13:28 +0000 Subject: [pm-h] Changes to Houston.pm site and mailing list In-Reply-To: References: <20170530073352.58ecd077@cygnus> Message-ID: There are some pretty good perl modules to port all of the email addresses over. Has that been done? On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 8:11 AM Julian Brown wrote: > Do we have to reup on the new mailing list or will it work with the new > address as it did before? > > Julian > > On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 7:33 AM, G. Wade Johnson > wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> I got a message a short while back that pm.org was dropping it's >> hosting of websites and mailing lists. >> >> As of this morning, I have houston.pm.org up and running on new hosting >> and everything redirected appropriately. There should be no >> interruption there. >> >> Unfortunately, I cannot just do redirection magic for the mailing list. >> So, I have created a new houston.pm.org mailing list that will replace >> this one. pm.org will be closing this one down around the middle of >> June. You can join the new mailing list at >> http://houston.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston_houston.pm.org >> >> Look forward to seeing everyone there. >> G. Wade >> -- >> "The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to >> vote." -- Ambassador Kosh, "Believers" >> _______________________________________________ >> Houston mailing list >> Houston at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston >> Website: http://houston.pm.org/ >> > > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ -- Todd Rinaldo todd at rinaldo.us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlbprof at gmail.com Tue May 30 06:25:23 2017 From: jlbprof at gmail.com (Julian Brown) Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 08:25:23 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Cool discussion on DB's in production Message-ID: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/how-database-hurt-your-startup-curtis-poe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gwadej at anomaly.org Tue May 30 16:53:57 2017 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 18:53:57 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Changes to Houston.pm site and mailing list In-Reply-To: References: <20170530073352.58ecd077@cygnus> Message-ID: <20170530185357.634b96f9@cygnus> On Tue, 30 May 2017 13:13:28 +0000 Todd Rinaldo wrote: > There are some pretty good perl modules to port all of the email > addresses over. Has that been done? I thought about it, but did not. This will reduce the list to people who want to follow the mailing list. I also was not really comfortable with subscribing other people to a mailing list that they did not ask me to. G. Wade > On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 8:11 AM Julian Brown > wrote: > > > Do we have to reup on the new mailing list or will it work with the > > new address as it did before? > > > > Julian > > > > On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 7:33 AM, G. Wade Johnson > > wrote: > > > >> Hi everyone, > >> > >> I got a message a short while back that pm.org was dropping it's > >> hosting of websites and mailing lists. > >> > >> As of this morning, I have houston.pm.org up and running on new > >> hosting and everything redirected appropriately. There should be no > >> interruption there. > >> > >> Unfortunately, I cannot just do redirection magic for the mailing > >> list. So, I have created a new houston.pm.org mailing list that > >> will replace this one. pm.org will be closing this one down around > >> the middle of June. You can join the new mailing list at > >> http://houston.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston_houston.pm.org > >> > >> Look forward to seeing everyone there. > >> G. Wade > >> -- > >> "The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles > >> to vote." -- Ambassador Kosh, > >> "Believers" _______________________________________________ > >> Houston mailing list > >> Houston at pm.org > >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > >> Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Houston mailing list > > Houston at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > -- I have this feeling, that my luck is none too good. -- "Black Blade", Blue Oyster Cult From gwadej at anomaly.org Tue May 30 16:52:21 2017 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 18:52:21 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Changes to Houston.pm site and mailing list In-Reply-To: References: <20170530073352.58ecd077@cygnus> Message-ID: <20170530185221.65e75fa1@cygnus> On Tue, 30 May 2017 08:09:39 -0500 Julian Brown wrote: > Do we have to reup on the new mailing list or will it work with the > new address as it did before? > > Julian You will need to re-up. It's a different mailing list on a different server. G. Wade > On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 7:33 AM, G. Wade Johnson > wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I got a message a short while back that pm.org was dropping it's > > hosting of websites and mailing lists. > > > > As of this morning, I have houston.pm.org up and running on new > > hosting and everything redirected appropriately. There should be no > > interruption there. > > > > Unfortunately, I cannot just do redirection magic for the mailing > > list. So, I have created a new houston.pm.org mailing list that > > will replace this one. pm.org will be closing this one down around > > the middle of June. You can join the new mailing list at > > http://houston.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston_houston.pm.org > > > > Look forward to seeing everyone there. > > G. Wade > > -- > > "The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles > > to vote." -- Ambassador Kosh, > > "Believers" _______________________________________________ > > Houston mailing list > > Houston at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > > -- Contrary to popular opinion, the plural of 'anecdote' is not 'fact'. From gwadej at anomaly.org Tue May 30 20:07:53 2017 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 22:07:53 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] June Houston.pm meeting Message-ID: <20170530220753.202b21dd@cygnus> Not many comments on JD's suggestion for the coding challenge. Is that a bust? Does anyone else have a topic for our next meeting? G. Wade -- If your don't care about quality, you can meet any other requirement. -- Gerald M. Weinberg From gwadej at anomaly.org Wed May 31 19:28:37 2017 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 21:28:37 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Next Houston.pm meeting in a week Message-ID: <20170531212837.15650fc9@cygnus> We have a week until our next meeting. JD had a suggestion that has not generated much discussion. Does someone have a topic, or should we do a social meeting for June? G. Wade -- Perl's payment curve coincides with its learning curve. -- GrandFather