From gwadej at anomaly.org  Sat Jan  2 10:27:42 2016
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 12:27:42 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] January Houston.pm meeting topic
Message-ID: <20160102122742.596d9312@cygnus>

We're rapidly approaching the January meeting. Anybody want to suggest
a topic?

G. Wade
-- 
Computer languages differ not so much in what they make possible, but in
what they make easy.                                  -- Larry Wall

From lembark at wrkhors.com  Sat Jan  2 21:19:14 2016
From: lembark at wrkhors.com (Steven Lembark)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 23:19:14 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] January Houston.pm meeting topic
In-Reply-To: <20160102122742.596d9312@cygnus>
References: <20160102122742.596d9312@cygnus>
Message-ID: <20160102231914.5ab7aea0.lembark@wrkhors.com>


Given a defintion of Christmas:

<http://www.slideshare.net/lembark/ethiopian-multiplication-in-perl6>


-- 
Steven Lembark                                           3646 Flora Pl
Workhorse Computing                                 St Louis, MO 63110
lembark at wrkhors.com                                    +1 888 359 3508

From julian at jlbprof.com  Sun Jan  3 06:05:16 2016
From: julian at jlbprof.com (Julian Brown)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 08:05:16 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] January Houston.pm meeting topic
In-Reply-To: <20160102231914.5ab7aea0.lembark@wrkhors.com>
References: <20160102122742.596d9312@cygnus>
	<20160102231914.5ab7aea0.lembark@wrkhors.com>
Message-ID: <CAMzD1SoMH3wbi9UrpWPTSTiz8KZW9sBMhi_pEnuRfa71QQzhjg@mail.gmail.com>

I am interested in this set of slides by Steven.

http://www.slideshare.net/lembark/perly-parallel-processing-of-fixed-width-data-records

If you are interested I can display them at the next meeting and we can
have an open discussion on them.   I will do some research on it, but leave
it as an open discussion.

What say you all?

And thank you Steven for all the work you do with these slides and talks.

Julian


On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 11:19 PM, Steven Lembark via Houston <houston at pm.org>
wrote:

>
> Given a defintion of Christmas:
>
> <http://www.slideshare.net/lembark/ethiopian-multiplication-in-perl6>
>
>
> --
> Steven Lembark                                           3646 Flora Pl
> Workhorse Computing                                 St Louis, MO 63110
> lembark at wrkhors.com                                    +1 888 359 3508
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>
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From todd at rinaldo.us  Sun Jan  3 18:28:06 2016
From: todd at rinaldo.us (Todd Rinaldo)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 20:28:06 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] January Houston.pm meeting topic
In-Reply-To: <CAMzD1SoMH3wbi9UrpWPTSTiz8KZW9sBMhi_pEnuRfa71QQzhjg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20160102122742.596d9312@cygnus>
	<20160102231914.5ab7aea0.lembark@wrkhors.com>
	<CAMzD1SoMH3wbi9UrpWPTSTiz8KZW9sBMhi_pEnuRfa71QQzhjg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG8vyGHg1DkPXD5AeyqmfWvzj5LyRnkofGe8qJ5gxdpipM=_ug@mail.gmail.com>

Slide correction: XXXIIV isn't a legal number is it?

On Sunday, January 3, 2016, Julian Brown via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:

> I am interested in this set of slides by Steven.
>
>
> http://www.slideshare.net/lembark/perly-parallel-processing-of-fixed-width-data-records
>
> If you are interested I can display them at the next meeting and we can
> have an open discussion on them.   I will do some research on it, but leave
> it as an open discussion.
>
> What say you all?
>
> And thank you Steven for all the work you do with these slides and talks.
>
> Julian
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 11:19 PM, Steven Lembark via Houston <
> houston at pm.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','houston at pm.org');>> wrote:
>
>>
>> Given a defintion of Christmas:
>>
>> <http://www.slideshare.net/lembark/ethiopian-multiplication-in-perl6>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Steven Lembark                                           3646 Flora Pl
>> Workhorse Computing                                 St Louis, MO 63110
>> lembark at wrkhors.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lembark at wrkhors.com');>
>>                                   +1 888 359 3508
>> _______________________________________________
>> Houston mailing list
>> Houston at pm.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Houston at pm.org');>
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
>> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>>
>
>

-- 
Todd Rinaldo
todd at rinaldo.us
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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Sun Jan  3 21:37:39 2016
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 23:37:39 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] January Houston.pm meeting topic
In-Reply-To: <CAG8vyGHg1DkPXD5AeyqmfWvzj5LyRnkofGe8qJ5gxdpipM=_ug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20160102122742.596d9312@cygnus>
	<20160102231914.5ab7aea0.lembark@wrkhors.com>
	<CAMzD1SoMH3wbi9UrpWPTSTiz8KZW9sBMhi_pEnuRfa71QQzhjg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG8vyGHg1DkPXD5AeyqmfWvzj5LyRnkofGe8qJ5gxdpipM=_ug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20160103233739.34b7fd1d@cygnus>

On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 20:28:06 -0600
Todd Rinaldo via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:

> Slide correction: XXXIIV isn't a legal number is it?

Not in either of the Roman Number systems I'm aware of.

G. Wade

> On Sunday, January 3, 2016, Julian Brown via Houston <houston at pm.org>
> wrote:
> 
> > I am interested in this set of slides by Steven.
> >
> >
> > http://www.slideshare.net/lembark/perly-parallel-processing-of-fixed-width-data-records
> >
> > If you are interested I can display them at the next meeting and we
> > can have an open discussion on them.   I will do some research on
> > it, but leave it as an open discussion.
> >
> > What say you all?
> >
> > And thank you Steven for all the work you do with these slides and
> > talks.
> >
> > Julian
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 11:19 PM, Steven Lembark via Houston <
> > houston at pm.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','houston at pm.org');>>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Given a defintion of Christmas:
> >>
> >> <http://www.slideshare.net/lembark/ethiopian-multiplication-in-perl6>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Steven Lembark                                           3646
> >> Flora Pl Workhorse Computing                                 St
> >> Louis, MO 63110 lembark at wrkhors.com
> >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lembark at wrkhors.com');> +1 888 359
> >> 3508 _______________________________________________
> >> Houston mailing list
> >> Houston at pm.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Houston at pm.org');>
> >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> >> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
> >>
> >
> >
> 


-- 
One OS to rule them all, One OS to find them,
One OS to bring them all and in the darkness bind them,
In the land of Redmond, where the Windows lie.

From lembark at wrkhors.com  Mon Jan  4 16:37:42 2016
From: lembark at wrkhors.com (Steven Lembark)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 18:37:42 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] January Houston.pm meeting topic
In-Reply-To: <20160103233739.34b7fd1d@cygnus>
References: <20160102122742.596d9312@cygnus>
	<20160102231914.5ab7aea0.lembark@wrkhors.com>
	<CAMzD1SoMH3wbi9UrpWPTSTiz8KZW9sBMhi_pEnuRfa71QQzhjg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG8vyGHg1DkPXD5AeyqmfWvzj5LyRnkofGe8qJ5gxdpipM=_ug@mail.gmail.com>
	<20160103233739.34b7fd1d@cygnus>
Message-ID: <20160104183742.3189a94e.lembark@wrkhors.com>

On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 23:37:39 -0600
"G. Wade Johnson via Houston" <houston at pm.org> wrote:

> On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 20:28:06 -0600
> Todd Rinaldo via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:
> 
> > Slide correction: XXXIIV isn't a legal number is it?
> 
> Not in either of the Roman Number systems I'm aware of.

Why? No more than 3 X's, I's before V's.

Then again, the last time I looked seriously at Roman Numerals
was in the fifth grade or so (i.e., long ago).


-- 
Steven Lembark                                           3646 Flora Pl
Workhorse Computing                                 St Louis, MO 63110
lembark at wrkhors.com                                    +1 888 359 3508

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Mon Jan  4 18:47:52 2016
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 20:47:52 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] January Houston.pm meeting topic
In-Reply-To: <20160104183742.3189a94e.lembark@wrkhors.com>
References: <20160102122742.596d9312@cygnus>
	<20160102231914.5ab7aea0.lembark@wrkhors.com>
	<CAMzD1SoMH3wbi9UrpWPTSTiz8KZW9sBMhi_pEnuRfa71QQzhjg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG8vyGHg1DkPXD5AeyqmfWvzj5LyRnkofGe8qJ5gxdpipM=_ug@mail.gmail.com>
	<20160103233739.34b7fd1d@cygnus>
	<20160104183742.3189a94e.lembark@wrkhors.com>
Message-ID: <20160104204752.51b491a3@cygnus>

On Mon, 4 Jan 2016 18:37:42 -0600
Steven Lembark via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:

> On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 23:37:39 -0600
> "G. Wade Johnson via Houston" <houston at pm.org> wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 20:28:06 -0600
> > Todd Rinaldo via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > Slide correction: XXXIIV isn't a legal number is it?
> > 
> > Not in either of the Roman Number systems I'm aware of.
> 
> Why? No more than 3 X's, I's before V's.
> 
> Then again, the last time I looked seriously at Roman Numerals
> was in the fifth grade or so (i.e., long ago).

Only one I allowed before the V. The correct version would be XXXIII.  

G. Wade
-- 
It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how
smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong.
                                                  -- Richard Feynman

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Mon Jan  4 19:07:33 2016
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 21:07:33 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Presentation
Message-ID: <20160104210733.6f6e953d@cygnus>

So, do you want to use the same name for the presentation?

G. Wade
-- 
"any technology sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from a Perl
script."                               -- Programming Perl, 2nd ed.

From julian at jlbprof.com  Mon Jan  4 19:50:48 2016
From: julian at jlbprof.com (Julian Brown)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 21:50:48 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Presentation
In-Reply-To: <20160104210733.6f6e953d@cygnus>
References: <20160104210733.6f6e953d@cygnus>
Message-ID: <CAMzD1Sp1wnhTDyCxrbSAtDn0vJzAxRxUCnJmjg_9zJacvL+WrA@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, it is Steven's slides, I will look into it but the format would be I
present the slide and what I know about it and we discuss it.

Julian

On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 9:07 PM, G. Wade Johnson via Houston <houston at pm.org>
wrote:

> So, do you want to use the same name for the presentation?
>
> G. Wade
> --
> "any technology sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from a Perl
> script."                               -- Programming Perl, 2nd ed.
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
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From drzigman at drzigman.com  Tue Jan  5 09:33:45 2016
From: drzigman at drzigman.com (Robert Stone)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 11:33:45 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Proposed Talk on "Solving WordBrain" - Gauging Interest
In-Reply-To: <20151228175231.40a56d14@cygnus>
References: <CAAvSPpTOmhvkiG0y964DsuucKGr95DsvZhm=CGMYcJ9AAgQsoQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20151228175231.40a56d14@cygnus>
Message-ID: <CAAvSPpQVo2GxursJ-356EOKOjGJZPanrcP8eEdy7o9nEqiqzmg@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings,

As for a title for the February Talk let's go with "Solving WordBrain - A
Breadth First Search of a Problem With Great Depth"

Thanks!  Should be fun.

Looking forward to our January talk as well.

Best Regards,
Robert Stone

On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 5:52 PM, G. Wade Johnson via Houston <houston at pm.org
> wrote:

> On Sun, 27 Dec 2015 13:35:03 -0600
> Robert Stone via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:
>
> > Greetings,
> >
> > A friend of mine is playing WordBrain (
> > https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/wordbrain/id708600202?mt=8 ):
> >
> > [image: Inline image 1]
> >
> > While I'm not a big fan of word games, I do like computer science and
> > I've been working on a Solver for this game.  It's a fun exercise in
> > Dijkstra that really gives you both a breadth first and depth first
> > appreciation of the problem space.
> >
> > Anyway, I'm thinking of putting together a talk regarding the
> > solution I'm working on, some background on solving these sorts of
> > problems, and then some time for discussion on how we could improve
> > the efficiency of my implementation.
> >
> > I don't think I'll have it ready in time for January's meeting but if
> > there is interest February is certainly doable.  Sound like fun?
>
>
> Sounds like we have a topic for February. Send me a title for the
> presentation and I'll put it on the list.
>
> G. Wade
>
> > Best Regards,
> > Robert Stone
>
>
> --
> The closer you get to the truth, the messier your sentence gets.
>                                                       -- Paul Graham
> _______________________________________________
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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Wed Jan  6 20:32:21 2016
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 22:32:21 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] January Houston.pm presentation: Adding Forks to Your Perly
 Tableware
Message-ID: <20160106223221.26d5be7b@cygnus>

The January Houston.pm technical meeting will be held at the cPanel
offices at 3131 W. Alabama, St. on Thursday, January 14 at 7pm.

Julian Brown will present a set of slides originally written by Steven
Lembark on handling fixed-width records in Perl. The talk covers
parallel processing of data along with efficient means of working with
fixed length data.

Julian intends for this to spark discussion more than just be a
presentation.

As usual, we will start gathering in the lobby between 6:30 and 7 and
head up to the room when the food arrives (or 7pm whichever is most
convenient).

I look forward to seeing you there.
G. Wade Johnson
-- 
There are 2 possible outcomes: If the result confirms the hypothesis,
then you've made a measurement. If the result is contrary to the
hypothesis, then you've made a discovery.           -- Enrico Fermi

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Wed Jan  6 20:37:35 2016
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 22:37:35 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] February Houston.pm presentation: Solving WordBrain
Message-ID: <20160106223735.3629530b@cygnus>

At the February meeting, Robert Stone will present the work he has done
on a solver for the WordBrain game. The talk promises to be both fun
and an excellent exploration of computer science concepts.

The meeting will be at Hostgator, 5005 Mitchelldale St #100 on February
11, at 7pm.

I look forward to seeing you there,
G. Wade
-- 
Good design adds value faster than it adds cost.     -- Tom C. Gale

From mikeflan at att.net  Thu Jan  7 04:37:01 2016
From: mikeflan at att.net (Mike Flannigan)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 06:37:01 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Linux Distribution Selection
Message-ID: <568E5BED.4050101@att.net>


I plan to buy a computer and install nothing but
Linux on it.  I will use it for Perl processing of
text files, GIS (mapping), and simple things (e-mail,
browsing, FTP, etc).  I want to be able to Remote
Desktop into Windows machines, and I want to be able
to remote into my new Linux machine from Windows.
Stability and speed are important, but not super
important.  This will be one of about 4 computers
on a wired network.  No servers to speak of.

I value your opinion on which distro to select.  I
am favoring Ubuntu or OpenSuse, but am open to any.
I have Ubuntu installed on one of my machines.  I'm
not crazy about it, but I do like the wide selection
of software and easy installation of the software.

Probably the most important thing to me is being able
to find/obtain support.  I'm probably not going to pay
for the support, but that is an option too.

If you would rather comment on what hardware to buy instead
of what distro to use, I welcome that info also.  I will
probably buy a high dollar graphics card.  Other than that I
will buy what the computer store (Fry's) tells me to buy.

When I read things like this:
https://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/810295-the-top-11-best-linux-distros-for-2015/
I tend towards OpenSuse.

One word answers are welcome.


Thank you.


Mike
281-286-6869


From gwadej at anomaly.org  Thu Jan  7 05:24:30 2016
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 07:24:30 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Linux Distribution Selection
In-Reply-To: <568E5BED.4050101@att.net>
References: <568E5BED.4050101@att.net>
Message-ID: <20160107072430.5bf426d8@cygnus>

Good for you. I moved to Linux for my desktop years ago and have mostly
been happy.

In recent years, I've been using Mint. It's basically a set of
modifications on Ubuntu, which is a packaged version of Debian. I've
been pretty happy with it.

You can mostly use any help that applies to Ubuntu on Mint problems.
Any "Ubuntu-specific" packages work on Mint as well.

G. Wade

On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 06:37:01 -0600
Mike Flannigan via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:

> 
> I plan to buy a computer and install nothing but
> Linux on it.  I will use it for Perl processing of
> text files, GIS (mapping), and simple things (e-mail,
> browsing, FTP, etc).  I want to be able to Remote
> Desktop into Windows machines, and I want to be able
> to remote into my new Linux machine from Windows.
> Stability and speed are important, but not super
> important.  This will be one of about 4 computers
> on a wired network.  No servers to speak of.
> 
> I value your opinion on which distro to select.  I
> am favoring Ubuntu or OpenSuse, but am open to any.
> I have Ubuntu installed on one of my machines.  I'm
> not crazy about it, but I do like the wide selection
> of software and easy installation of the software.
> 
> Probably the most important thing to me is being able
> to find/obtain support.  I'm probably not going to pay
> for the support, but that is an option too.
> 
> If you would rather comment on what hardware to buy instead
> of what distro to use, I welcome that info also.  I will
> probably buy a high dollar graphics card.  Other than that I
> will buy what the computer store (Fry's) tells me to buy.
> 
> When I read things like this:
> https://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/810295-the-top-11-best-linux-distros-for-2015/
> I tend towards OpenSuse.
> 
> One word answers are welcome.
> 
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> 
> Mike
> 281-286-6869
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/


-- 
I know I'm on the right track when by deleting code I'm adding
functionality.                                       -- John Carter

From julian at jlbprof.com  Thu Jan  7 07:10:23 2016
From: julian at jlbprof.com (Julian Brown)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 09:10:23 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Linux Distribution Selection
In-Reply-To: <20160107072430.5bf426d8@cygnus>
References: <568E5BED.4050101@att.net>
	<20160107072430.5bf426d8@cygnus>
Message-ID: <CAMzD1SpFYoWHv=pdM9RckYOssv6MRsR5MG1WYfT-+rKP0v5bQA@mail.gmail.com>

I use Mint as well.  Mint 17.3 came out recently should be what most people
expect.    Ubuntu with their UI is almost unusable for me.

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 7:24 AM, G. Wade Johnson via Houston <houston at pm.org>
wrote:

> Good for you. I moved to Linux for my desktop years ago and have mostly
> been happy.
>
> In recent years, I've been using Mint. It's basically a set of
> modifications on Ubuntu, which is a packaged version of Debian. I've
> been pretty happy with it.
>
> You can mostly use any help that applies to Ubuntu on Mint problems.
> Any "Ubuntu-specific" packages work on Mint as well.
>
> G. Wade
>
> On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 06:37:01 -0600
> Mike Flannigan via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:
>
> >
> > I plan to buy a computer and install nothing but
> > Linux on it.  I will use it for Perl processing of
> > text files, GIS (mapping), and simple things (e-mail,
> > browsing, FTP, etc).  I want to be able to Remote
> > Desktop into Windows machines, and I want to be able
> > to remote into my new Linux machine from Windows.
> > Stability and speed are important, but not super
> > important.  This will be one of about 4 computers
> > on a wired network.  No servers to speak of.
> >
> > I value your opinion on which distro to select.  I
> > am favoring Ubuntu or OpenSuse, but am open to any.
> > I have Ubuntu installed on one of my machines.  I'm
> > not crazy about it, but I do like the wide selection
> > of software and easy installation of the software.
> >
> > Probably the most important thing to me is being able
> > to find/obtain support.  I'm probably not going to pay
> > for the support, but that is an option too.
> >
> > If you would rather comment on what hardware to buy instead
> > of what distro to use, I welcome that info also.  I will
> > probably buy a high dollar graphics card.  Other than that I
> > will buy what the computer store (Fry's) tells me to buy.
> >
> > When I read things like this:
> >
> https://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/810295-the-top-11-best-linux-distros-for-2015/
> > I tend towards OpenSuse.
> >
> > One word answers are welcome.
> >
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> >
> > Mike
> > 281-286-6869
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Houston mailing list
> > Houston at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> > Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>
>
> --
> I know I'm on the right track when by deleting code I'm adding
> functionality.                                       -- John Carter
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
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From perl at saltbreez.com  Thu Jan  7 11:35:30 2016
From: perl at saltbreez.com (Perl Developer)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 14:35:30 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Linux Distribution Selection
In-Reply-To: <568E5BED.4050101@att.net>
References: <568E5BED.4050101@att.net>
Message-ID: <CAE9aZ0-X67X7NTwq0KYcv7LBFYg6FUmF6JcQLALG5r8je9qnEQ@mail.gmail.com>

I always buy from Dell, I always install Slackware 64

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 7:37 AM, Mike Flannigan via Houston
<houston at pm.org> wrote:
>
> I plan to buy a computer and install nothing but
> Linux on it.  I will use it for Perl processing of
> text files, GIS (mapping), and simple things (e-mail,
> browsing, FTP, etc).  I want to be able to Remote
> Desktop into Windows machines, and I want to be able
> to remote into my new Linux machine from Windows.
> Stability and speed are important, but not super
> important.  This will be one of about 4 computers
> on a wired network.  No servers to speak of.
>
> I value your opinion on which distro to select.  I
> am favoring Ubuntu or OpenSuse, but am open to any.
> I have Ubuntu installed on one of my machines.  I'm
> not crazy about it, but I do like the wide selection
> of software and easy installation of the software.
>
> Probably the most important thing to me is being able
> to find/obtain support.  I'm probably not going to pay
> for the support, but that is an option too.
>
> If you would rather comment on what hardware to buy instead
> of what distro to use, I welcome that info also.  I will
> probably buy a high dollar graphics card.  Other than that I
> will buy what the computer store (Fry's) tells me to buy.
>
> When I read things like this:
> https://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/810295-the-top-11-best-linux-distros-for-2015/
> I tend towards OpenSuse.
>
> One word answers are welcome.
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
> Mike
> 281-286-6869
>
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/



-- 
Best Regards,
[Joseph] Christian Werner Sr
C 757.515.9306
H 757.304.0502

From mrallen1 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  7 11:47:53 2016
From: mrallen1 at yahoo.com (Mark Allen)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 19:47:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pm-h] Linux Distribution Selection
In-Reply-To: <CAMzD1SpFYoWHv=pdM9RckYOssv6MRsR5MG1WYfT-+rKP0v5bQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMzD1SpFYoWHv=pdM9RckYOssv6MRsR5MG1WYfT-+rKP0v5bQA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <301106162.1770071.1452196073203.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

I pretty much gave up on Linux as a desktop and use OS X as my primary operating system and run (Fedora) Linux out of vagrant and VirtualBox "headless" via ssh session(s). ?Back when I used desktop Linux (about 3-4 years ago I guess, now) I used Mint. Seems nice.

Mark 

    On Thursday, January 7, 2016 9:10 AM, Julian Brown via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:
 

 I use Mint as well.? Mint 17.3 came out recently should be what most people expect. ? ?Ubuntu with their UI is almost unusable for me.
On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 7:24 AM, G. Wade Johnson via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:

Good for you. I moved to Linux for my desktop years ago and have mostly
been happy.

In recent years, I've been using Mint. It's basically a set of
modifications on Ubuntu, which is a packaged version of Debian. I've
been pretty happy with it.

You can mostly use any help that applies to Ubuntu on Mint problems.
Any "Ubuntu-specific" packages work on Mint as well.

G. Wade

On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 06:37:01 -0600
Mike Flannigan via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:

>
> I plan to buy a computer and install nothing but
> Linux on it.? I will use it for Perl processing of
> text files, GIS (mapping), and simple things (e-mail,
> browsing, FTP, etc).? I want to be able to Remote
> Desktop into Windows machines, and I want to be able
> to remote into my new Linux machine from Windows.
> Stability and speed are important, but not super
> important.? This will be one of about 4 computers
> on a wired network.? No servers to speak of.
>
> I value your opinion on which distro to select.? I
> am favoring Ubuntu or OpenSuse, but am open to any.
> I have Ubuntu installed on one of my machines.? I'm
> not crazy about it, but I do like the wide selection
> of software and easy installation of the software.
>
> Probably the most important thing to me is being able
> to find/obtain support.? I'm probably not going to pay
> for the support, but that is an option too.
>
> If you would rather comment on what hardware to buy instead
> of what distro to use, I welcome that info also.? I will
> probably buy a high dollar graphics card.? Other than that I
> will buy what the computer store (Fry's) tells me to buy.
>
> When I read things like this:
> https://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/810295-the-top-11-best-linux-distros-for-2015/
> I tend towards OpenSuse.
>
> One word answers are welcome.
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
> Mike
> 281-286-6869
>
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/


--
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functionality.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?-- John Carter
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From houstonperl at skagitattic.com  Thu Jan  7 11:45:21 2016
From: houstonperl at skagitattic.com (houstonperl at skagitattic.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 13:45:21 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Linux Distribution Selection
In-Reply-To: <568E5BED.4050101@att.net>
References: <568E5BED.4050101@att.net>
Message-ID: <20160107134521.0a25e3dd@kalogic>

Debian all the way.

It does not come with any of the extra magic that Ubuntu does and is
very stable.  Large user community and you can often take information
from offshoots like ubuntu and mint with very little if any changes.

I use xtightvncviewer for viewing vnc sessions.  You can start a vnc
server with x11vnc or just ssh in from Windows.

If you are considering all the offshoots why not go to the source?



On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 06:37:01 -0600
Mike Flannigan via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:

> 
> I plan to buy a computer and install nothing but
> Linux on it.  I will use it for Perl processing of
> text files, GIS (mapping), and simple things (e-mail,
> browsing, FTP, etc).  I want to be able to Remote
> Desktop into Windows machines, and I want to be able
> to remote into my new Linux machine from Windows.
> Stability and speed are important, but not super
> important.  This will be one of about 4 computers
> on a wired network.  No servers to speak of.
> 
> I value your opinion on which distro to select.  I
> am favoring Ubuntu or OpenSuse, but am open to any.
> I have Ubuntu installed on one of my machines.  I'm
> not crazy about it, but I do like the wide selection
> of software and easy installation of the software.
> 
> Probably the most important thing to me is being able
> to find/obtain support.  I'm probably not going to pay
> for the support, but that is an option too.
> 
> If you would rather comment on what hardware to buy instead
> of what distro to use, I welcome that info also.  I will
> probably buy a high dollar graphics card.  Other than that I
> will buy what the computer store (Fry's) tells me to buy.
> 
> When I read things like this:
> https://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/810295-the-top-11-best-linux-distros-for-2015/
> I tend towards OpenSuse.
> 
> One word answers are welcome.
> 
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> 
> Mike
> 281-286-6869
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/


From marlin.mixon at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 12:35:07 2016
From: marlin.mixon at gmail.com (Marlin Mixon)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 14:35:07 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Houston Digest, Vol 134, Issue 6
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1452196801.21890.houston@pm.org>
References: <mailman.1.1452196801.21890.houston@pm.org>
Message-ID: <CAJDfrWPWnZ4NY4k+ZjRS7eP0A_KoG-2GjOveQRzoMwhnmQhiqA@mail.gmail.com>

I have been happy with Mint 17.1 (I use Mate -- Mah teh).  I was using
Ubuntu before but wasn't happy with the direction they went with their user
interface.  Of course these days, the distro mainly affects how the user
interface works.  At one point I was using Mint at home and Fedora at
work.  The GUI's were different and it took a while to get used to Fedora
and never really favored it.  A couple of years ago, on another computer at
home I installed Fedora but decided to change the GUI to something with a
lot of glitz.  If you have a life, this is probably not a good idea because
you can spend ages tweaking the interface to your liking.  Henceforth I've
always mostly stuck with the default GUI.  When I searched for my most
recent distro, Mint, I made sure to study the screenshots carefully before
settling.

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 2:00 PM, <houston-request at pm.org> wrote:

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>    1. Re: Linux Distribution Selection (Perl Developer)
>    2. Re: Linux Distribution Selection (Mark Allen)
>    3. Re: Linux Distribution Selection (houstonperl at skagitattic.com)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 14:35:30 -0500
> From: Perl Developer <perl at saltbreez.com>
> To: "Houston.pm located in Houston, TX." <houston at pm.org>
> Subject: Re: [pm-h] Linux Distribution Selection
> Message-ID:
>         <
> CAE9aZ0-X67X7NTwq0KYcv7LBFYg6FUmF6JcQLALG5r8je9qnEQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> I always buy from Dell, I always install Slackware 64
>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 7:37 AM, Mike Flannigan via Houston
> <houston at pm.org> wrote:
> >
> > I plan to buy a computer and install nothing but
> > Linux on it.  I will use it for Perl processing of
> > text files, GIS (mapping), and simple things (e-mail,
> > browsing, FTP, etc).  I want to be able to Remote
> > Desktop into Windows machines, and I want to be able
> > to remote into my new Linux machine from Windows.
> > Stability and speed are important, but not super
> > important.  This will be one of about 4 computers
> > on a wired network.  No servers to speak of.
> >
> > I value your opinion on which distro to select.  I
> > am favoring Ubuntu or OpenSuse, but am open to any.
> > I have Ubuntu installed on one of my machines.  I'm
> > not crazy about it, but I do like the wide selection
> > of software and easy installation of the software.
> >
> > Probably the most important thing to me is being able
> > to find/obtain support.  I'm probably not going to pay
> > for the support, but that is an option too.
> >
> > If you would rather comment on what hardware to buy instead
> > of what distro to use, I welcome that info also.  I will
> > probably buy a high dollar graphics card.  Other than that I
> > will buy what the computer store (Fry's) tells me to buy.
> >
> > When I read things like this:
> >
> https://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/810295-the-top-11-best-linux-distros-for-2015/
> > I tend towards OpenSuse.
> >
> > One word answers are welcome.
> >
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> >
> > Mike
> > 281-286-6869
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Houston mailing list
> > Houston at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> > Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>
>
>
> --
> Best Regards,
> [Joseph] Christian Werner Sr
> C 757.515.9306
> H 757.304.0502
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 19:47:53 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Mark Allen <mrallen1 at yahoo.com>
> To: "Houston.pm located in Houston, TX." <houston at pm.org>
> Subject: Re: [pm-h] Linux Distribution Selection
> Message-ID:
>         <301106162.1770071.1452196073203.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> I pretty much gave up on Linux as a desktop and use OS X as my primary
> operating system and run (Fedora) Linux out of vagrant and VirtualBox
> "headless" via ssh session(s). ?Back when I used desktop Linux (about 3-4
> years ago I guess, now) I used Mint. Seems nice.
>
> Mark
>
>     On Thursday, January 7, 2016 9:10 AM, Julian Brown via Houston <
> houston at pm.org> wrote:
>
>
>  I use Mint as well.? Mint 17.3 came out recently should be what most
> people expect. ? ?Ubuntu with their UI is almost unusable for me.
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 7:24 AM, G. Wade Johnson via Houston <
> houston at pm.org> wrote:
>
> Good for you. I moved to Linux for my desktop years ago and have mostly
> been happy.
>
> In recent years, I've been using Mint. It's basically a set of
> modifications on Ubuntu, which is a packaged version of Debian. I've
> been pretty happy with it.
>
> You can mostly use any help that applies to Ubuntu on Mint problems.
> Any "Ubuntu-specific" packages work on Mint as well.
>
> G. Wade
>
> On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 06:37:01 -0600
> Mike Flannigan via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:
>
> >
> > I plan to buy a computer and install nothing but
> > Linux on it.? I will use it for Perl processing of
> > text files, GIS (mapping), and simple things (e-mail,
> > browsing, FTP, etc).? I want to be able to Remote
> > Desktop into Windows machines, and I want to be able
> > to remote into my new Linux machine from Windows.
> > Stability and speed are important, but not super
> > important.? This will be one of about 4 computers
> > on a wired network.? No servers to speak of.
> >
> > I value your opinion on which distro to select.? I
> > am favoring Ubuntu or OpenSuse, but am open to any.
> > I have Ubuntu installed on one of my machines.? I'm
> > not crazy about it, but I do like the wide selection
> > of software and easy installation of the software.
> >
> > Probably the most important thing to me is being able
> > to find/obtain support.? I'm probably not going to pay
> > for the support, but that is an option too.
> >
> > If you would rather comment on what hardware to buy instead
> > of what distro to use, I welcome that info also.? I will
> > probably buy a high dollar graphics card.? Other than that I
> > will buy what the computer store (Fry's) tells me to buy.
> >
> > When I read things like this:
> >
> https://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/810295-the-top-11-best-linux-distros-for-2015/
> > I tend towards OpenSuse.
> >
> > One word answers are welcome.
> >
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> >
> > Mike
> > 281-286-6869
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Houston mailing list
> > Houston at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> > Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>
>
> --
> I know I'm on the right track when by deleting code I'm adding
> functionality.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?-- John Carter
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
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>
>
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> From: houstonperl at skagitattic.com
> To: Mike Flannigan via Houston <houston at pm.org>
> Subject: Re: [pm-h] Linux Distribution Selection
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> Debian all the way.
>
> It does not come with any of the extra magic that Ubuntu does and is
> very stable.  Large user community and you can often take information
> from offshoots like ubuntu and mint with very little if any changes.
>
> I use xtightvncviewer for viewing vnc sessions.  You can start a vnc
> server with x11vnc or just ssh in from Windows.
>
> If you are considering all the offshoots why not go to the source?
>
>
>
> On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 06:37:01 -0600
> Mike Flannigan via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:
>
> >
> > I plan to buy a computer and install nothing but
> > Linux on it.  I will use it for Perl processing of
> > text files, GIS (mapping), and simple things (e-mail,
> > browsing, FTP, etc).  I want to be able to Remote
> > Desktop into Windows machines, and I want to be able
> > to remote into my new Linux machine from Windows.
> > Stability and speed are important, but not super
> > important.  This will be one of about 4 computers
> > on a wired network.  No servers to speak of.
> >
> > I value your opinion on which distro to select.  I
> > am favoring Ubuntu or OpenSuse, but am open to any.
> > I have Ubuntu installed on one of my machines.  I'm
> > not crazy about it, but I do like the wide selection
> > of software and easy installation of the software.
> >
> > Probably the most important thing to me is being able
> > to find/obtain support.  I'm probably not going to pay
> > for the support, but that is an option too.
> >
> > If you would rather comment on what hardware to buy instead
> > of what distro to use, I welcome that info also.  I will
> > probably buy a high dollar graphics card.  Other than that I
> > will buy what the computer store (Fry's) tells me to buy.
> >
> > When I read things like this:
> >
> https://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/810295-the-top-11-best-linux-distros-for-2015/
> > I tend towards OpenSuse.
> >
> > One word answers are welcome.
> >
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> >
> > Mike
> > 281-286-6869
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Houston mailing list
> > Houston at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> > Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>
>
>
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From: estrabd at gmail.com (B. Estrade)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 14:42:00 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Houston Digest, Vol 134, Issue 6
In-Reply-To: <CAJDfrWPWnZ4NY4k+ZjRS7eP0A_KoG-2GjOveQRzoMwhnmQhiqA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1452196801.21890.houston@pm.org>
	<CAJDfrWPWnZ4NY4k+ZjRS7eP0A_KoG-2GjOveQRzoMwhnmQhiqA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALSf6fTu9aF7sM5zdbGHqZdMFJ4=VkXPym+dHbGfMDtM0hE53A@mail.gmail.com>

I use Cent 6 for my cPanel server, but for non-cP related stuff I would go
with Ubuntu or Debian.  It depends on what you want to do; for example, all
the new "scalable" stacks out there being deployed via Chef or Puppet seem
to most heavily support Ubuntu. YMMV based on what you want to do.

Brett

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Marlin Mixon via Houston <houston at pm.org>
wrote:

> I have been happy with Mint 17.1 (I use Mate -- Mah teh).  I was using
> Ubuntu before but wasn't happy with the direction they went with their user
> interface.  Of course these days, the distro mainly affects how the user
> interface works.  At one point I was using Mint at home and Fedora at
> work.  The GUI's were different and it took a while to get used to Fedora
> and never really favored it.  A couple of years ago, on another computer at
> home I installed Fedora but decided to change the GUI to something with a
> lot of glitz.  If you have a life, this is probably not a good idea because
> you can spend ages tweaking the interface to your liking.  Henceforth I've
> always mostly stuck with the default GUI.  When I searched for my most
> recent distro, Mint, I made sure to study the screenshots carefully before
> settling.
>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 2:00 PM, <houston-request at pm.org> wrote:
>
>> Send Houston mailing list submissions to
>>         houston at pm.org
>>
>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>         http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>         houston-request at pm.org
>>
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>>         houston-owner at pm.org
>>
>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>> than "Re: Contents of Houston digest..."
>>
>>
>> Today's Topics:
>>
>>    1. Re: Linux Distribution Selection (Perl Developer)
>>    2. Re: Linux Distribution Selection (Mark Allen)
>>    3. Re: Linux Distribution Selection (houstonperl at skagitattic.com)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 14:35:30 -0500
>> From: Perl Developer <perl at saltbreez.com>
>> To: "Houston.pm located in Houston, TX." <houston at pm.org>
>> Subject: Re: [pm-h] Linux Distribution Selection
>> Message-ID:
>>         <
>> CAE9aZ0-X67X7NTwq0KYcv7LBFYg6FUmF6JcQLALG5r8je9qnEQ at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>> I always buy from Dell, I always install Slackware 64
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 7:37 AM, Mike Flannigan via Houston
>> <houston at pm.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > I plan to buy a computer and install nothing but
>> > Linux on it.  I will use it for Perl processing of
>> > text files, GIS (mapping), and simple things (e-mail,
>> > browsing, FTP, etc).  I want to be able to Remote
>> > Desktop into Windows machines, and I want to be able
>> > to remote into my new Linux machine from Windows.
>> > Stability and speed are important, but not super
>> > important.  This will be one of about 4 computers
>> > on a wired network.  No servers to speak of.
>> >
>> > I value your opinion on which distro to select.  I
>> > am favoring Ubuntu or OpenSuse, but am open to any.
>> > I have Ubuntu installed on one of my machines.  I'm
>> > not crazy about it, but I do like the wide selection
>> > of software and easy installation of the software.
>> >
>> > Probably the most important thing to me is being able
>> > to find/obtain support.  I'm probably not going to pay
>> > for the support, but that is an option too.
>> >
>> > If you would rather comment on what hardware to buy instead
>> > of what distro to use, I welcome that info also.  I will
>> > probably buy a high dollar graphics card.  Other than that I
>> > will buy what the computer store (Fry's) tells me to buy.
>> >
>> > When I read things like this:
>> >
>> https://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/810295-the-top-11-best-linux-distros-for-2015/
>> > I tend towards OpenSuse.
>> >
>> > One word answers are welcome.
>> >
>> >
>> > Thank you.
>> >
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 281-286-6869
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Houston mailing list
>> > Houston at pm.org
>> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
>> > Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best Regards,
>> [Joseph] Christian Werner Sr
>> C 757.515.9306
>> H 757.304.0502
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 19:47:53 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: Mark Allen <mrallen1 at yahoo.com>
>> To: "Houston.pm located in Houston, TX." <houston at pm.org>
>> Subject: Re: [pm-h] Linux Distribution Selection
>> Message-ID:
>>         <301106162.1770071.1452196073203.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> I pretty much gave up on Linux as a desktop and use OS X as my primary
>> operating system and run (Fedora) Linux out of vagrant and VirtualBox
>> "headless" via ssh session(s). ?Back when I used desktop Linux (about 3-4
>> years ago I guess, now) I used Mint. Seems nice.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>     On Thursday, January 7, 2016 9:10 AM, Julian Brown via Houston <
>> houston at pm.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>  I use Mint as well.? Mint 17.3 came out recently should be what most
>> people expect. ? ?Ubuntu with their UI is almost unusable for me.
>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 7:24 AM, G. Wade Johnson via Houston <
>> houston at pm.org> wrote:
>>
>> Good for you. I moved to Linux for my desktop years ago and have mostly
>> been happy.
>>
>> In recent years, I've been using Mint. It's basically a set of
>> modifications on Ubuntu, which is a packaged version of Debian. I've
>> been pretty happy with it.
>>
>> You can mostly use any help that applies to Ubuntu on Mint problems.
>> Any "Ubuntu-specific" packages work on Mint as well.
>>
>> G. Wade
>>
>> On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 06:37:01 -0600
>> Mike Flannigan via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > I plan to buy a computer and install nothing but
>> > Linux on it.? I will use it for Perl processing of
>> > text files, GIS (mapping), and simple things (e-mail,
>> > browsing, FTP, etc).? I want to be able to Remote
>> > Desktop into Windows machines, and I want to be able
>> > to remote into my new Linux machine from Windows.
>> > Stability and speed are important, but not super
>> > important.? This will be one of about 4 computers
>> > on a wired network.? No servers to speak of.
>> >
>> > I value your opinion on which distro to select.? I
>> > am favoring Ubuntu or OpenSuse, but am open to any.
>> > I have Ubuntu installed on one of my machines.? I'm
>> > not crazy about it, but I do like the wide selection
>> > of software and easy installation of the software.
>> >
>> > Probably the most important thing to me is being able
>> > to find/obtain support.? I'm probably not going to pay
>> > for the support, but that is an option too.
>> >
>> > If you would rather comment on what hardware to buy instead
>> > of what distro to use, I welcome that info also.? I will
>> > probably buy a high dollar graphics card.? Other than that I
>> > will buy what the computer store (Fry's) tells me to buy.
>> >
>> > When I read things like this:
>> >
>> https://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/810295-the-top-11-best-linux-distros-for-2015/
>> > I tend towards OpenSuse.
>> >
>> > One word answers are welcome.
>> >
>> >
>> > Thank you.
>> >
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 281-286-6869
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Houston mailing list
>> > Houston at pm.org
>> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
>> > Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>>
>>
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>> From: houstonperl at skagitattic.com
>> To: Mike Flannigan via Houston <houston at pm.org>
>> Subject: Re: [pm-h] Linux Distribution Selection
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>> Debian all the way.
>>
>> It does not come with any of the extra magic that Ubuntu does and is
>> very stable.  Large user community and you can often take information
>> from offshoots like ubuntu and mint with very little if any changes.
>>
>> I use xtightvncviewer for viewing vnc sessions.  You can start a vnc
>> server with x11vnc or just ssh in from Windows.
>>
>> If you are considering all the offshoots why not go to the source?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 06:37:01 -0600
>> Mike Flannigan via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > I plan to buy a computer and install nothing but
>> > Linux on it.  I will use it for Perl processing of
>> > text files, GIS (mapping), and simple things (e-mail,
>> > browsing, FTP, etc).  I want to be able to Remote
>> > Desktop into Windows machines, and I want to be able
>> > to remote into my new Linux machine from Windows.
>> > Stability and speed are important, but not super
>> > important.  This will be one of about 4 computers
>> > on a wired network.  No servers to speak of.
>> >
>> > I value your opinion on which distro to select.  I
>> > am favoring Ubuntu or OpenSuse, but am open to any.
>> > I have Ubuntu installed on one of my machines.  I'm
>> > not crazy about it, but I do like the wide selection
>> > of software and easy installation of the software.
>> >
>> > Probably the most important thing to me is being able
>> > to find/obtain support.  I'm probably not going to pay
>> > for the support, but that is an option too.
>> >
>> > If you would rather comment on what hardware to buy instead
>> > of what distro to use, I welcome that info also.  I will
>> > probably buy a high dollar graphics card.  Other than that I
>> > will buy what the computer store (Fry's) tells me to buy.
>> >
>> > When I read things like this:
>> >
>> https://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/810295-the-top-11-best-linux-distros-for-2015/
>> > I tend towards OpenSuse.
>> >
>> > One word answers are welcome.
>> >
>> >
>> > Thank you.
>> >
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 281-286-6869
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Houston mailing list
>> > Houston at pm.org
>> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
>> > Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>>
>>
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From dtibarra at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 13:31:48 2016
From: dtibarra at gmail.com (David Ibarra)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 15:31:48 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Linux Distribution Selection
In-Reply-To: <20160107134521.0a25e3dd@kalogic>
References: <568E5BED.4050101@att.net>
	<20160107134521.0a25e3dd@kalogic>
Message-ID: <CAMEYiNRt5T2G0e0eckO3xGND7cFg72J4GsoCtGeGNmZ-mZ1UhA@mail.gmail.com>

I would say Fedora, it's what I use, and matured in the past 2 years or so.
You can do in place system upgrades, and seems a lot more work has been put
into stability than in the past.

However,

Expensive graphics card probably means you will want to use the closed
source drivers. I recommend Ubuntu or some derivative. It handles the
closed source drivers way better (Fedora always seems to break on each
kernel upgrade, dkms seens to cause major breakage only on version
upgrades) and you also get the benefit of Steam available in your repos if
that's what you are into.

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 1:45 PM, houstonperl--- via Houston <houston at pm.org>
wrote:

> Debian all the way.
>
> It does not come with any of the extra magic that Ubuntu does and is
> very stable.  Large user community and you can often take information
> from offshoots like ubuntu and mint with very little if any changes.
>
> I use xtightvncviewer for viewing vnc sessions.  You can start a vnc
> server with x11vnc or just ssh in from Windows.
>
> If you are considering all the offshoots why not go to the source?
>
>
>
> On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 06:37:01 -0600
> Mike Flannigan via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:
>
> >
> > I plan to buy a computer and install nothing but
> > Linux on it.  I will use it for Perl processing of
> > text files, GIS (mapping), and simple things (e-mail,
> > browsing, FTP, etc).  I want to be able to Remote
> > Desktop into Windows machines, and I want to be able
> > to remote into my new Linux machine from Windows.
> > Stability and speed are important, but not super
> > important.  This will be one of about 4 computers
> > on a wired network.  No servers to speak of.
> >
> > I value your opinion on which distro to select.  I
> > am favoring Ubuntu or OpenSuse, but am open to any.
> > I have Ubuntu installed on one of my machines.  I'm
> > not crazy about it, but I do like the wide selection
> > of software and easy installation of the software.
> >
> > Probably the most important thing to me is being able
> > to find/obtain support.  I'm probably not going to pay
> > for the support, but that is an option too.
> >
> > If you would rather comment on what hardware to buy instead
> > of what distro to use, I welcome that info also.  I will
> > probably buy a high dollar graphics card.  Other than that I
> > will buy what the computer store (Fry's) tells me to buy.
> >
> > When I read things like this:
> >
> https://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/810295-the-top-11-best-linux-distros-for-2015/
> > I tend towards OpenSuse.
> >
> > One word answers are welcome.
> >
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> >
> > Mike
> > 281-286-6869
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Houston mailing list
> > Houston at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> > Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>
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From lembark at wrkhors.com  Thu Jan  7 14:22:18 2016
From: lembark at wrkhors.com (Steven Lembark)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 16:22:18 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Linux Distribution Selection
In-Reply-To: <CAMEYiNRt5T2G0e0eckO3xGND7cFg72J4GsoCtGeGNmZ-mZ1UhA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <568E5BED.4050101@att.net> <20160107134521.0a25e3dd@kalogic>
	<CAMEYiNRt5T2G0e0eckO3xGND7cFg72J4GsoCtGeGNmZ-mZ1UhA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20160107162218.7fa7d7b2@cannibal>

On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 15:31:48 -0600
David Ibarra via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:

> I would say Fedora, it's what I use, and matured in the past 2 years or so.
> You can do in place system upgrades, and seems a lot more work has been put
> into stability than in the past.

If you aren't buying commercial support I'd suggest checking out 
whatever support forums you think you'd use with each distro 
[including buying whomever you'd panhandle support from a beer] and
see what they look like. If one of the support forums [or local
user groups] seems preferable then use whatever they support.

The "main" distros today include SuSE, RH, Debian, and all of their
progeny.

The real difference in all of these is the package mangler, initial
desktop setups, and whether you can escape from whatever desktop
settings they've chosen for you. After that it's still linux running
largely GNU[ish] software: if you're willing fondle what's under the
hood you can do anything with any of these. 


Depending on your tolerance for learning how to actually manage a 
working linux system, Arch Linux has a nice package manager, uses
pre-compiled content, and avoids much of the cruft found on RH or 
Debian [and derivatives]. Catch is that you have to care enough to 
determine what to install. 


I personally use Gentoo for both servers and desktop: the package 
mangler is based on BSD's ports system, compiles from source, and 
avoids most library-version-from-hell tangles. It also allows you
to select openrc if you havn't already taken the plunge into hell.

Good thing/bad thing: On the one hand you get to choose things like 
the desktop manger, terminal types, and service utilities... on the
other hand you get to choose things like the desktop manger, terminal
types, and service utilities. If you specifically don't want to know
about choosing these things then choosing them becomes annoying :-)


-- 
Steven Lembark                                             3646 Flora Pl
Workhorse Computing                                   St Louis, MO 63110
lembark at wrkhors.com                                      +1 888 359 3508

From mrallen1 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  7 14:57:50 2016
From: mrallen1 at yahoo.com (Mark Allen)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 22:57:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pm-h] Linux Distribution Selection
In-Reply-To: <20160107162218.7fa7d7b2@cannibal>
References: <20160107162218.7fa7d7b2@cannibal>
Message-ID: <999859890.1842735.1452207470811.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

I am way WAY too impatient/ignorant to compile an entire Linux from source these days. I'll take whatever the distro vendor gives me (except for Perl :)) I do know I pretty much can't stand KDE but beyond that... no idea. 

    On Thursday, January 7, 2016 4:22 PM, Steven Lembark via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:
 

 On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 15:31:48 -0600
David Ibarra via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:

> I would say Fedora, it's what I use, and matured in the past 2 years or so.
> You can do in place system upgrades, and seems a lot more work has been put
> into stability than in the past.

If you aren't buying commercial support I'd suggest checking out 
whatever support forums you think you'd use with each distro 
[including buying whomever you'd panhandle support from a beer] and
see what they look like. If one of the support forums [or local
user groups] seems preferable then use whatever they support.

The "main" distros today include SuSE, RH, Debian, and all of their
progeny.

The real difference in all of these is the package mangler, initial
desktop setups, and whether you can escape from whatever desktop
settings they've chosen for you. After that it's still linux running
largely GNU[ish] software: if you're willing fondle what's under the
hood you can do anything with any of these. 


Depending on your tolerance for learning how to actually manage a 
working linux system, Arch Linux has a nice package manager, uses
pre-compiled content, and avoids much of the cruft found on RH or 
Debian [and derivatives]. Catch is that you have to care enough to 
determine what to install. 


I personally use Gentoo for both servers and desktop: the package 
mangler is based on BSD's ports system, compiles from source, and 
avoids most library-version-from-hell tangles. It also allows you
to select openrc if you havn't already taken the plunge into hell.

Good thing/bad thing: On the one hand you get to choose things like 
the desktop manger, terminal types, and service utilities... on the
other hand you get to choose things like the desktop manger, terminal
types, and service utilities. If you specifically don't want to know
about choosing these things then choosing them becomes annoying :-)


-- 
Steven Lembark? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 3646 Flora Pl
Workhorse Computing? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? St Louis, MO 63110
lembark at wrkhors.com? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? +1 888 359 3508
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From julian at jlbprof.com  Thu Jan  7 15:17:39 2016
From: julian at jlbprof.com (Julian Brown)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 17:17:39 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] VW Emissions
Message-ID: <CAMzD1SpKfkdopjzZtoQW2RwOu8SpVq1TH+xqD2LPhdiedJPMZA@mail.gmail.com>

I found this interesting;

http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/670488/4350e3873e2fa15c/

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From reini.urban at gmail.com  Sat Jan  9 04:57:06 2016
From: reini.urban at gmail.com (Reini Urban)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 13:57:06 +0100
Subject: [pm-h] Linux Distribution Selection
In-Reply-To: <999859890.1842735.1452207470811.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20160107162218.7fa7d7b2@cannibal>
	<999859890.1842735.1452207470811.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F29B8DC0-AD84-4405-892F-0A61B65EC8F6@gmail.com>

The redhat derivatives fedora and centos all use a pretty broken perl package, but has overall much better security than debian derivatives (ubuntu, mint).
cpanel on top of centos comes with it?s own perl which is much better, and has better security updates.

besides cpanel my current favorite is also archlinux, which has always the latest versions, you don?t have to wait 2 years to get major upgrades as with redhat or debian.
And archlinux has a much better security track record than debian.

I personally switched from mint back to debian 8 and I?m considering now archlinux on my mac air. OS X starts sucking big time since yosemite. 
Switching back to mDSNresponder in el capitan did?t help much with wifi problems, but you need a patched kernel driver for the crazy broadcom 
chip on the macbook.

on a public server I would never use ubuntu or mint.


Reini Urban
rurban at cpan.org



> On Jan 7, 2016, at 11:57 PM, Mark Allen via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:
> 
> I am way WAY too impatient/ignorant to compile an entire Linux from source these days. I'll take whatever the distro vendor gives me (except for Perl :)) I do know I pretty much can't stand KDE but beyond that... no idea.
> 
> 
> On Thursday, January 7, 2016 4:22 PM, Steven Lembark via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 15:31:48 -0600
> David Ibarra via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:
> 
> > I would say Fedora, it's what I use, and matured in the past 2 years or so.
> > You can do in place system upgrades, and seems a lot more work has been put
> > into stability than in the past.
> 
> If you aren't buying commercial support I'd suggest checking out 
> whatever support forums you think you'd use with each distro 
> [including buying whomever you'd panhandle support from a beer] and
> see what they look like. If one of the support forums [or local
> user groups] seems preferable then use whatever they support.
> 
> The "main" distros today include SuSE, RH, Debian, and all of their
> progeny.
> 
> The real difference in all of these is the package mangler, initial
> desktop setups, and whether you can escape from whatever desktop
> settings they've chosen for you. After that it's still linux running
> largely GNU[ish] software: if you're willing fondle what's under the
> hood you can do anything with any of these. 
> 
> 
> Depending on your tolerance for learning how to actually manage a 
> working linux system, Arch Linux has a nice package manager, uses
> pre-compiled content, and avoids much of the cruft found on RH or 
> Debian [and derivatives]. Catch is that you have to care enough to 
> determine what to install. 
> 
> 
> I personally use Gentoo for both servers and desktop: the package 
> mangler is based on BSD's ports system, compiles from source, and 
> avoids most library-version-from-hell tangles. It also allows you
> to select openrc if you havn't already taken the plunge into hell.
> 
> Good thing/bad thing: On the one hand you get to choose things like 
> the desktop manger, terminal types, and service utilities... on the
> other hand you get to choose things like the desktop manger, terminal
> types, and service utilities. If you specifically don't want to know
> about choosing these things then choosing them becomes annoying :-)
> 
> 
> -- 
> Steven Lembark                                            3646 Flora Pl
> Workhorse Computing                                  St Louis, MO 63110
> lembark at wrkhors.com                                      +1 888 359 3508
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
> 
> 
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From rurban at cpan.org  Sat Jan  9 05:13:01 2016
From: rurban at cpan.org (Reini Urban)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 14:13:01 +0100
Subject: [pm-h] VW Emissions
In-Reply-To: <CAMzD1SpKfkdopjzZtoQW2RwOu8SpVq1TH+xqD2LPhdiedJPMZA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMzD1SpKfkdopjzZtoQW2RwOu8SpVq1TH+xqD2LPhdiedJPMZA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHiT=DFOip3=7gHHyFpWqUtp1JLCKTrshqy3+UfyO-6Uepzh6Q@mail.gmail.com>

As explanation:

Before it should not have been called VW emission scandal, rather *Audi
emission scandal*. More Audi engines than VW engines were caught. Audi
build those VW engines for VW. Audi implemented the cheating parameters for
VW.

But now it should not be called Audi scandal anymore, rather a *Bosch
emission scandal*.

Bosch implemented a cheating model into their ECU which almost every car
maker uses. (Tested where also BMW, Daimler and a couple of others), and
the car maker only defines a "low temperature model switch" which detects
when the car is on the wheel doing the emission test or on the street.
Also very expensive car models were found cheating.

The guy also found a strange "Akustik_Funktion", an acoustic model in the
Bosch ECU disassembly, which is triggered by a so-called low temperature
signal to turn off the AdBlue (urea) injection. Naming the wheel test mode
(the cheating mode) Akustik Funktion is most likely cheating, because it
only emission related and not acoustic related.

He clearly found that the cheating model tests for abberations of the
standard european emission test cycle. With a certain percentage outside
the test cycle the ECU switches automatically from test mode to street
mode, with much less AdBlue (much higher emissions).

And I'm pretty sure every single car maker cheats on emissions like those.
The Americans where previously caught, and they have simplier-to-cheat
tests.
And the Asians use also the european test cycles and ECU.


2016-01-08 0:17 GMT+01:00 Julian Brown via Houston <houston at pm.org>:

> I found this interesting;
>
> http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/670488/4350e3873e2fa15c/
>
> Julian
>
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
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From mikeflan at att.net  Sat Jan  9 06:12:27 2016
From: mikeflan at att.net (Mike Flannigan)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 08:12:27 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Linux Distribution Selection
In-Reply-To: <F29B8DC0-AD84-4405-892F-0A61B65EC8F6@gmail.com>
References: <20160107162218.7fa7d7b2@cannibal>
	<999859890.1842735.1452207470811.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<F29B8DC0-AD84-4405-892F-0A61B65EC8F6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5691154B.1040703@att.net>


On 1/9/2016 6:57 AM, Reini Urban via Houston wrote:
> The redhat derivatives fedora and centos all use a pretty broken perl package, but has overall much better security than debian derivatives (ubuntu, mint).
> cpanel on top of centos comes with it?s own perl which is much better, and has better security updates.
>
> besides cpanel my current favorite is also archlinux, which has always the latest versions, you don?t have to wait 2 years to get major upgrades as with redhat or debian.
> And archlinux has a much better security track record than debian.
>
> I personally switched from mint back to debian 8 and I?m considering now archlinux on my mac air. OS X starts sucking big time since yosemite.
> Switching back to mDSNresponder in el capitan did?t help much with wifi problems, but you need a patched kernel driver for the crazy broadcom
> chip on the macbook.
>
> on a public server I would never use ubuntu or mint.
>
>
> Reini Urban
> rurban at cpan.org
>


Thank you everybody for all the responses.
I didn't expect to get that much response.
Obviously a group who knows Linux.

I have Mint ready to go when I get the machine. (not ordered yet)
Then I will try others if necessary.
Windows is pretty much out of the question.
I'm going to have to make Linux work for me.


Mike


From lembark at wrkhors.com  Sat Jan  9 08:46:04 2016
From: lembark at wrkhors.com (Steven Lembark)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 10:46:04 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Linux Distribution Selection
In-Reply-To: <5691154B.1040703@att.net>
References: <20160107162218.7fa7d7b2@cannibal>
	<999859890.1842735.1452207470811.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
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Then expect to install Perl: RH uses (last I looked) pre-5.16
versions compiled for binary compat with 5.00503 (i.e., horrific).

Simplest approach I've found is installing into, say, /opt/perl5/5.22.
At that point you can symlink 5.22/* . in /opt/perl5 [recall that 
linux switched to SVr4 filesytem ~15 years ago]. Point is that you can 
test an upgrade to the next version and upgrade the system in one step 
with: cd /opt/perl5 && rm * && ln -fs 5.X/* .;

In normally keep /opt/bin/ full of symlinks to ../<whatever>/bin/*
which includes perl5, perl6, NeXS spreadsheet. At that point my 
PATH='/opt/bin:/usr/bin:/bin' and I don't have to shuffle the path
every time I add a new product to /opt.

enjoi

-- 
Steven Lembark                                           3646 Flora Pl
Workhorse Computing                                 St Louis, MO 63110
lembark at wrkhors.com                                    +1 888 359 3508

From matt at lessthan3.net  Sat Jan  9 09:01:56 2016
From: matt at lessthan3.net (Matthew Dees)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 11:01:56 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Linux Distribution Selection
In-Reply-To: <20160109104604.357e704f.lembark@wrkhors.com>
References: <20160107162218.7fa7d7b2@cannibal>
	<999859890.1842735.1452207470811.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
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For redhat systems you can use software collections (which are funded and
maintained by redhat) for getting better versions of perl.

for example, if you 5.20 on c6 or c7, you can use the following packages:
https://www.softwarecollections.org/en/scls/rhscl/rh-perl520/

or 5.16:
https://www.softwarecollections.org/en/scls/rhscl/perl516/

There are some extra bits you'll have to do your shebang to ensure your
scripts work properly, either writing your scripts with "#!/usr/bin/env
perl" and using the scl command to enable the correct version of perl or
specifying the full path to the perl executable
"/opt/redhat/rh-perl520/root/usr/bin/perl" in the shebang.

If you're doing an /opt install, might as well use one where someone has
already done the work for you.


On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Steven Lembark via Houston <houston at pm.org>
wrote:

>
> Then expect to install Perl: RH uses (last I looked) pre-5.16
> versions compiled for binary compat with 5.00503 (i.e., horrific).
>
> Simplest approach I've found is installing into, say, /opt/perl5/5.22.
> At that point you can symlink 5.22/* . in /opt/perl5 [recall that
> linux switched to SVr4 filesytem ~15 years ago]. Point is that you can
> test an upgrade to the next version and upgrade the system in one step
> with: cd /opt/perl5 && rm * && ln -fs 5.X/* .;
>
> In normally keep /opt/bin/ full of symlinks to ../<whatever>/bin/*
> which includes perl5, perl6, NeXS spreadsheet. At that point my
> PATH='/opt/bin:/usr/bin:/bin' and I don't have to shuffle the path
> every time I add a new product to /opt.
>
> enjoi
>
> --
> Steven Lembark                                           3646 Flora Pl
> Workhorse Computing                                 St Louis, MO 63110
> lembark at wrkhors.com                                    +1 888 359 3508
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
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From lembark at wrkhors.com  Sat Jan  9 13:41:50 2016
From: lembark at wrkhors.com (Steven Lembark)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 15:41:50 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] January Houston.pm presentation: Adding Forks to Your
 Perly Tableware
In-Reply-To: <20160106223221.26d5be7b@cygnus>
References: <20160106223221.26d5be7b@cygnus>
Message-ID: <20160109154150.2ec9b676.lembark@wrkhors.com>

On Wed, 6 Jan 2016 22:32:21 -0600
"G. Wade Johnson via Houston" <houston at pm.org> wrote:

> The January Houston.pm technical meeting will be held at the cPanel
> offices at 3131 W. Alabama, St. on Thursday, January 14 at 7pm.

Glad it was useful. Feel free to use anything on slideshare for the 
meetings -- though my wife's Neonatal Cranial Sonography may be a bit 
off topic :-)

Memory Manglement, Utils are Your Friends, Getting Testy With Perl, 
and Linked Lists: Why Bother? are also good if someone wants to get
into perl and find out how it works. Folks at YAPC also liked the 
Perl Debugger introduction, which can be a big help for starting out
or dealing with other people's code.

Note on the code: the talk was written in about 20 minutes prior to
a PM's meeting and lacks *any* real boilerplate. The one thing 
someone should mention is that any runt read will throw the stream
off and mis-align the records. "Real" code would do a better job of
saving $. (read file offset) if one of the tasks aborts and then 
restarting the process. 

The original used perly cases (given/when) which are deprecated...
This version skips the beasties.


enjoi

-- 
Steven Lembark                                           3646 Flora Pl
Workhorse Computing                                 St Louis, MO 63110
lembark at wrkhors.com                                    +1 888 359 3508
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From rurban at cpan.org  Tue Jan 12 03:47:42 2016
From: rurban at cpan.org (Reini Urban)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 12:47:42 +0100
Subject: [pm-h] Linux Distribution Selection
In-Reply-To: <CA+o04J7y4yfpN+KiTSpPEOrxA94MQzb9ge5HReWkSRXJAEOt+w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20160107162218.7fa7d7b2@cannibal>
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Nice. But I wouldn't recommend anything between 5.14 and 5.20.

5.14.4 was the last stable release. Then the binary symbol horror began,
which was finally fixed with 5.22.
5.22.1 also brings nice performance improvements. Just the bytecode
compiler and Coro is broken. You have to patch it yourself.
But 5.24 will break much more.

I can only recommend my own variant, cperl with the upcoming 5.22.2
version, which is more secure, faster, uses less memory and has tons of
additional features.


2016-01-09 18:01 GMT+01:00 Matthew Dees via Houston <houston at pm.org>:

> For redhat systems you can use software collections (which are funded and
> maintained by redhat) for getting better versions of perl.
>
> for example, if you 5.20 on c6 or c7, you can use the following packages:
> https://www.softwarecollections.org/en/scls/rhscl/rh-perl520/
>
> or 5.16:
> https://www.softwarecollections.org/en/scls/rhscl/perl516/
>
> There are some extra bits you'll have to do your shebang to ensure your
> scripts work properly, either writing your scripts with "#!/usr/bin/env
> perl" and using the scl command to enable the correct version of perl or
> specifying the full path to the perl executable
> "/opt/redhat/rh-perl520/root/usr/bin/perl" in the shebang.
>
> If you're doing an /opt install, might as well use one where someone has
> already done the work for you.
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Steven Lembark via Houston <
> houston at pm.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> Then expect to install Perl: RH uses (last I looked) pre-5.16
>> versions compiled for binary compat with 5.00503 (i.e., horrific).
>>
>> Simplest approach I've found is installing into, say, /opt/perl5/5.22.
>> At that point you can symlink 5.22/* . in /opt/perl5 [recall that
>> linux switched to SVr4 filesytem ~15 years ago]. Point is that you can
>> test an upgrade to the next version and upgrade the system in one step
>> with: cd /opt/perl5 && rm * && ln -fs 5.X/* .;
>>
>> In normally keep /opt/bin/ full of symlinks to ../<whatever>/bin/*
>> which includes perl5, perl6, NeXS spreadsheet. At that point my
>> PATH='/opt/bin:/usr/bin:/bin' and I don't have to shuffle the path
>> every time I add a new product to /opt.
>>
>> enjoi
>>
>> --
>> Steven Lembark                                           3646 Flora Pl
>> Workhorse Computing                                 St Louis, MO 63110
>> lembark at wrkhors.com                                    +1 888 359 3508
>> _______________________________________________
>> Houston mailing list
>> Houston at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
>> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>



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From mrdvt92 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 14 13:36:41 2016
From: mrdvt92 at yahoo.com (Michael R. Davis)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 21:36:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pm-h] JSON:PP compatibility issue with JSON::XS::Boolean
References: <1279868360.5161578.1452807401643.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1279868360.5161578.1452807401643.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Perl Folks,I have a compatibility issue with JSON::PP and JSON::XS that?I just cannot figure out.?When encoding a JSON::XS::Boolean object with JSON::PP, I'm getting JSON "null" instead of JSON "true" or "false".? I Googled but?could not find anything on this issue.?I have to use JSON::PP for it's sort_by capability in sending JSON but I use JSON::XS for performance in decoding.?This is my reduced code to expose the issue?? my $json=JSON::PP->new->allow_nonref->allow_blessed;
??#limit data to the single Boolean for test case? $data_input?? = $data_input->{"aZone"}->{"IsActive"};
? print ref($json), "\n";
? print Dumper($data_input);
? my $json_input? = $json->encode($data_input);
? print $json_input ,"\n";
? exit;
This shows the encode method returns a "null" when I expect a "true".?JSON::PP
$VAR1 = bless( do{\(my $o = 1)}, 'JSON::XS::Boolean' );
null?I tried to reproduce but I cannot with a simple script so I'm turning to the Perl Mongers for?any help??Mike?Similar code that does not reproduce the issue.?perl -e '
use strict;
use warnings;
use Data::Dumper qw{Dumper};
use JSON::XS qw{};
use JSON::PP qw{};my $json=q[{"true":true,"false":false,"null":null}];
my $xs=JSON::XS->new->allow_nonref;
my $pp=JSON::PP->new->allow_nonref->allow_blessed->convert_blessed;
print "XS: ", $xs->VERSION, "\n";
print "PP: ", $pp->VERSION, "\n";
my $data=$xs->decode($json);
print Dumper($data);
my $trip = $pp->encode($data);
my $sorter={true=>1, false=>2, null=>3};
$pp->sort_by(sub {$sorter->{$JSON::PP::a} <=> $sorter->{$JSON::PP::b}});
print $json, "\n";
'
XS: 2.27
PP: 2.24000
$VAR1 = {
????????? 'false' => bless( do{\(my $o = 0)}, 'JSON::XS::Boolean' ),
????????? 'true' => bless( do{\(my $o = 1)}, 'JSON::XS::Boolean' ),
????????? 'null' => undef
??????? };
{"true":true,"false":false,"null":null}

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From reini.urban at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 14:54:00 2016
From: reini.urban at gmail.com (Reini Urban)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 23:54:00 +0100
Subject: [pm-h] JSON:PP compatibility issue with JSON::XS::Boolean
In-Reply-To: <1279868360.5161578.1452807401643.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1279868360.5161578.1452807401643.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Everyone has those problems, that's why you should use Cpanel::JSON::XS
instead
On Jan 14, 2016 22:36, "Michael R. Davis via Houston" <houston at pm.org>
wrote:

> Perl Folks,
> I have a compatibility issue with JSON::PP and JSON::XS that I just cannot
> figure out.
>
> When encoding a JSON::XS::Boolean object with JSON::PP, I'm getting JSON
> "null" instead of JSON "true" or "false".  I Googled but could not find
> anything on this issue.
>
> I have to use JSON::PP for it's sort_by capability in sending JSON but I
> use JSON::XS for performance in decoding.
>
> This is my reduced code to expose the issue
>
>   my $json=JSON::PP->new->allow_nonref->allow_blessed;
>   #limit data to the single Boolean for test case
>   $data_input   = $data_input->{"aZone"}->{"IsActive"};
>   print ref($json), "\n";
>   print Dumper($data_input);
>   my $json_input  = $json->encode($data_input);
>   print $json_input ,"\n";
>   exit;
> This shows the encode method returns a "null" when I expect a "true".
>
> JSON::PP
> $VAR1 = bless( do{\(my $o = 1)}, 'JSON::XS::Boolean' );
> null
>
> I tried to reproduce but I cannot with a simple script so I'm turning to
> the Perl Mongers for any help?
>
> Mike
>
> Similar code that does not reproduce the issue.
>
> perl -e '
> use strict;
> use warnings;
> use Data::Dumper qw{Dumper};
> use JSON::XS qw{};
> use JSON::PP qw{};
> my $json=q[{"true":true,"false":false,"null":null}];
> my $xs=JSON::XS->new->allow_nonref;
> my $pp=JSON::PP->new->allow_nonref->allow_blessed->convert_blessed;
> print "XS: ", $xs->VERSION, "\n";
> print "PP: ", $pp->VERSION, "\n";
> my $data=$xs->decode($json);
> print Dumper($data);
> my $trip = $pp->encode($data);
> my $sorter={true=>1, false=>2, null=>3};
> $pp->sort_by(sub {$sorter->{$JSON::PP::a} <=> $sorter->{$JSON::PP::b}});
> print $json, "\n";
> '
> XS: 2.27
> PP: 2.24000
> $VAR1 = {
>           'false' => bless( do{\(my $o = 0)}, 'JSON::XS::Boolean' ),
>           'true' => bless( do{\(my $o = 1)}, 'JSON::XS::Boolean' ),
>           'null' => undef
>         };
> {"true":true,"false":false,"null":null}
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From mrdvt92 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 14 15:07:53 2016
From: mrdvt92 at yahoo.com (Michael R. Davis)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 23:07:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pm-h] JSON:PP compatibility issue with JSON::XS::Boolean
In-Reply-To: <CAHiT=DEhKU3xxLDixPdv-TX2-2Wnw3PxeCgU=RyXmTLbwNCA5g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHiT=DEhKU3xxLDixPdv-TX2-2Wnw3PxeCgU=RyXmTLbwNCA5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1919976146.5269799.1452812873841.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Reini,The Cpanel::JSON::XS docs?say sort_by "currently only (un)sets the canonical option, and ignores custom sort blocks."? That to me does not mean operational.? But, are the docs wrong??You are right, all the JSON incompatibilities have really screwed up Perl as being the go to tool for JSON.? This service that I have to write against REALLY sucks that it requires JSON objects to be sorted.Mike?

      From: Reini Urban <reini.urban at gmail.com>
?Everyone has those problems, that's why you should use Cpanel::JSON::XS instead On Jan 14, 2016 22:36, "Michael R. Davis via Houston" <houston at pm.org> wrote:

When encoding a JSON::XS::Boolean object with JSON::PP, I'm getting JSON "null" instead of JSON "true" or "false".? I have to use JSON::PP for it's sort_by capability in sending JSON but I use JSON::XS for performance in decoding.

  
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From wiersema_t at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 14 17:10:11 2016
From: wiersema_t at yahoo.com (Todd Wiersema)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 01:10:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pm-h] tonights meeting available over net?
References: <173242204.5193358.1452820211783.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <173242204.5193358.1452820211783.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Is the meeting available by remote connection?

Todd Wiersema

 - Have a nice day! :) -

From julian at jlbprof.com  Thu Jan 14 19:33:06 2016
From: julian at jlbprof.com (Julian Brown)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 21:33:06 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] tonights meeting available over net?
In-Reply-To: <173242204.5193358.1452820211783.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <173242204.5193358.1452820211783.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<173242204.5193358.1452820211783.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAMzD1SrtMYDit5q2VMgCxUJ3OfEZt5Psy-G_n2GXF6VYtPmrZg@mail.gmail.com>

Todd, the meeting is over now.

Perhaps if people are interested in the future we could do it on Google
hangouts?

Julian

On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Todd Wiersema via Houston <houston at pm.org>
wrote:

> Is the meeting available by remote connection?
>
> Todd Wiersema
>
>  - Have a nice day! :) -
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Thu Jan 14 19:55:10 2016
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 21:55:10 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] tonights meeting available over net?
In-Reply-To: <CAMzD1SrtMYDit5q2VMgCxUJ3OfEZt5Psy-G_n2GXF6VYtPmrZg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20160114215510.2a2cbde1@cygnus>

On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 21:33:06 -0600
Julian Brown via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:

> Todd, the meeting is over now.
> 
> Perhaps if people are interested in the future we could do it on
> Google hangouts?

Todd,

We have done Google Hangouts in the past, but only when people have
explicitly asked and when the presenter had an account.

In the past, we've had computer, wifi, microphone, and/or screen sharing
issues. Since it's still not brain dead simple, we tend not to bother
unless someone expresses interest ahead of time.

If we were sure there would be consistent interest, I'd be willing to
get it set up each time.

G. Wade


> Julian
> 
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Todd Wiersema via Houston
> <houston at pm.org> wrote:
> 
> > Is the meeting available by remote connection?
> >
> > Todd Wiersema
> >
> >  - Have a nice day! :) -
> > _______________________________________________
> > Houston mailing list
> > Houston at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> > Website: http://houston.pm.org/
> >


-- 
Uncertainty is an uncomfortable position. But certainty is an absurd
one. -- Voltaire

From reini.urban at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 00:28:26 2016
From: reini.urban at gmail.com (Reini Urban)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:28:26 +0100
Subject: [pm-h] JSON:PP compatibility issue with JSON::XS::Boolean
In-Reply-To: <1919976146.5269799.1452812873841.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAHiT=DEhKU3xxLDixPdv-TX2-2Wnw3PxeCgU=RyXmTLbwNCA5g@mail.gmail.com>
	<1919976146.5269799.1452812873841.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAHiT=DGB_g25vX6was4UUVue1WHNWc+NnqC5Upa4XmD=J3zu+w@mail.gmail.com>

You really need custom sort blocks? Oh my, lot of work...  :) let's see

On Jan 15, 2016 00:07, "Michael R. Davis" <mrdvt92 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Reini,
> The Cpanel::JSON::XS docs say sort_by "currently only (un)sets the
canonical option, and ignores custom sort blocks."  That to me does not
mean operational.  But, are the docs wrong?
>
> You are right, all the JSON incompatibilities have really screwed up Perl
as being the go to tool for JSON.  This service that I have to write
against REALLY sucks that it requires JSON objects to be sorted.
> Mike
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Reini Urban <reini.urban at gmail.com>
>
> Everyone has those problems, that's why you should use Cpanel::JSON::XS
instead
> On Jan 14, 2016 22:36, "Michael R. Davis via Houston" <houston at pm.org>
wrote:
>>
>> When encoding a JSON::XS::Boolean object with JSON::PP, I'm getting JSON
"null" instead of JSON "true" or "false".  I have to use JSON::PP for it's
sort_by capability in sending JSON but I use JSON::XS for performance in
decoding.
>
>
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From julian at jlbprof.com  Thu Jan 14 19:35:26 2016
From: julian at jlbprof.com (Julian Brown)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 21:35:26 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Presentation
Message-ID: <CAMzD1SpWLnJDVmu=BJiFJKS5V_8RQZPT9MfsaehYcpt_PsG-0w@mail.gmail.com>

Steven

FYI, I presented your slides tonight and it went over well.  People enjoyed
it.

Thank you

Julian
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From mev412 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 23:07:28 2016
From: mev412 at gmail.com (Mev412)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 01:07:28 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] tonights meeting available over net?
In-Reply-To: <20160114215510.2a2cbde1@cygnus>
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If only pizza could be consumed via hangouts I would never miss another
meeting :)


-- Christopher Mevissen

On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 9:55 PM, G. Wade Johnson via Houston <houston at pm.org
> wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 21:33:06 -0600
> Julian Brown via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:
>
> > Todd, the meeting is over now.
> >
> > Perhaps if people are interested in the future we could do it on
> > Google hangouts?
>
> Todd,
>
> We have done Google Hangouts in the past, but only when people have
> explicitly asked and when the presenter had an account.
>
> In the past, we've had computer, wifi, microphone, and/or screen sharing
> issues. Since it's still not brain dead simple, we tend not to bother
> unless someone expresses interest ahead of time.
>
> If we were sure there would be consistent interest, I'd be willing to
> get it set up each time.
>
> G. Wade
>
>
> > Julian
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Todd Wiersema via Houston
> > <houston at pm.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Is the meeting available by remote connection?
> > >
> > > Todd Wiersema
> > >
> > >  - Have a nice day! :) -
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Houston mailing list
> > > Houston at pm.org
> > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> > > Website: http://houston.pm.org/
> > >
>
>
> --
> Uncertainty is an uncomfortable position. But certainty is an absurd
> one. -- Voltaire
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Sun Jan 24 15:35:18 2016
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 17:35:18 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Call for topics for March Houston.pm meeting
Message-ID: <20160124173518.18d1fe87@cygnus>

Robert Stone is currently on track for the February meeting.

That gives us a chance to think further ahead. Does anyone have a topic
for March 10th at cPanel?

If you would like to hear about a topic, present a topic, start a
discussion, suggest tips/picks, or anything else, email me or the
mailing list.

G. Wade
-- 
I know I'm on the right track when by deleting code I'm adding
functionality.                                       -- John Carter

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Sun Jan 24 15:30:20 2016
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 17:30:20 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Write-up for January presentation
Message-ID: <20160124173020.6b390ec4@cygnus>

The write-up for the January meeting is now available at
http://houston.pm.org/talks/2016talks/1601Talk/index.html.

Overall, the format worked quite well and we had an interesting
discussion.

G. Wade
-- 
I like you. You're trouble.        -- Draal - "Voices of Authority"

From estrabd at gmail.com  Sun Jan 24 17:36:03 2016
From: estrabd at gmail.com (B. Estrade)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 19:36:03 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Call for topics for March Houston.pm meeting
In-Reply-To: <20160124173518.18d1fe87@cygnus>
References: <20160124173518.18d1fe87@cygnus>
Message-ID: <B5BEF5BB-B537-4394-9CB9-85008F6415E3@gmail.com>

Assuming this will be at the new location?

Brett

> On Jan 24, 2016, at 5:35 PM, G. Wade Johnson via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:
> 
> Robert Stone is currently on track for the February meeting.
> 
> That gives us a chance to think further ahead. Does anyone have a topic
> for March 10th at cPanel?
> 
> If you would like to hear about a topic, present a topic, start a
> discussion, suggest tips/picks, or anything else, email me or the
> mailing list.
> 
> G. Wade
> -- 
> I know I'm on the right track when by deleting code I'm adding
> functionality.                                       -- John Carter
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Sun Jan 24 20:44:55 2016
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 22:44:55 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Call for topics for March Houston.pm meeting
In-Reply-To: <B5BEF5BB-B537-4394-9CB9-85008F6415E3@gmail.com>
References: <20160124173518.18d1fe87@cygnus>
	<B5BEF5BB-B537-4394-9CB9-85008F6415E3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20160124224455.387ad87d@cygnus>

On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 19:36:03 -0600
"B. Estrade via Houston" <houston at pm.org> wrote:

> Assuming this will be at the new location?

That's what they tell me.

> Brett
> 
> > On Jan 24, 2016, at 5:35 PM, G. Wade Johnson via Houston
> > <houston at pm.org> wrote:
> > 
> > Robert Stone is currently on track for the February meeting.
> > 
> > That gives us a chance to think further ahead. Does anyone have a
> > topic for March 10th at cPanel?
> > 
> > If you would like to hear about a topic, present a topic, start a
> > discussion, suggest tips/picks, or anything else, email me or the
> > mailing list.
> > 
> > G. Wade
> > -- 
> > I know I'm on the right track when by deleting code I'm adding
> > functionality.                                       -- John Carter
> > _______________________________________________
> > Houston mailing list
> > Houston at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> > Website: http://houston.pm.org/
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/


-- 
It's hard enough to find an error in your code when you're looking for
it; it's even harder when you've assumed your code is error-free.
                                                  -- Steve McConnell

From trac_t at swbell.net  Tue Jan 26 07:32:57 2016
From: trac_t at swbell.net (Trac Taylor)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 15:32:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pm-h] Looking for suggestions on new books
References: <769568914.314320.1453822377996.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <769568914.314320.1453822377996.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Hey everyone
I getting some funds from work for new books. ?I know in some of the past meetings, we have discussed some books to read. ?These don't have to be Perl books. ?The books do need to be about programming or somewhere along those lines.
Wade, I remember you telling me a book about refactoring code, which sounded interesting but I dont remember the title/author. ?And Julian talked about the algorithms book 2 months ago. ?

ThanksTrac Taylor

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From drzigman at drzigman.com  Tue Jan 26 07:50:40 2016
From: drzigman at drzigman.com (Robert Stone)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 09:50:40 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Looking for suggestions on new books
Message-ID: <CAAvSPpQ5gwnUNw9zcBr6-YArbq2dNMLOZQf95G5wgPOAj5o7xg@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings,

I'm almost certain the book about refactoring code you are referring to is
"Refactoring: Improving the Design of Existing Code" by Fowler, Beck and
the rest of the brain trust.

http://www.amazon.com/Refactoring-Improving-Design-Existing-Code/dp/0201485672

Great book, highly recommended.  I read about the first half of it chapter
by chapter and the rest of it is more reference for types of refactoring
that you dive into when you need them ( Move Method, Replace Conditional
with Polymorphism, etc).  I recommend the actual book rather than the
kindle/ebook as the code sample are formatted rather poorly in the digital
version.

Though quite pricey, at our Tips and Tricks meeting Julian mentioned the
four book series "The Art of Computer Programming" by Knuth.

http://www.amazon.com/Computer-Programming-Volumes-1-4A-Boxed/dp/0321751043

This is an epic series, very math heavy and very deep and I've been really
digging it.

In addition to these, I've been re-reading the perl classics and it's
amazing how each time I do so I understand more and more and find myself
saying "I didn't know you could do that!"

Learning Perl - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1449303587
Intermediate Perl -
http://www.amazon.com/Intermediate-Perl-Randal-L-Schwartz/dp/1449393098
Mastering Perl -
http://www.amazon.com/Mastering-Perl-brian-d-foy/dp/144939311X

Best Regards,
Robert Stone


On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Trac Taylor via Houston <houston at pm.org>
wrote:

> Hey everyone
>
> I getting some funds from work for new books.  I know in some of the past
> meetings, we have discussed some books to read.  These don't have to be
> Perl books.  The books do need to be about programming or somewhere along
> those lines.
>
> Wade, I remember you telling me a book about refactoring code, which
> sounded interesting but I dont remember the title/author.  And Julian
> talked about the algorithms book 2 months ago.
>
>
> Thanks
> Trac Taylor
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
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From drzigman at drzigman.com  Tue Jan 26 08:05:34 2016
From: drzigman at drzigman.com (Robert Stone)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 10:05:34 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Bitten by "Experimental keys on scalar is now forbidden" on
 perl 5.23.X - How not to use keys!
Message-ID: <CAAvSPpQQED22n-Yfcvjq=iRetJtyBgKA89NwXc0cs-ju2KBYDQ@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings,

I've just released a heavily refactored version of my WWW::LogicBoxes
module to cpan (
http://search.cpan.org/dist/WWW-LogicBoxes/lib/WWW/LogicBoxes.pm), Huzzahs
are in order!

However, cpan testers pointed out an issue to me:

Experimental keys on scalar is now forbidden at
/tmp/loop_over_bdir-8387-8qtZ5O/WWW-LogicBoxes-1.0.1-syf1_3/blib/lib/WWW/LogicBoxes/Role/Command/Raw.pm
line 165.


Looking at the perldiag documentation:

*5.22*

keys on reference is experimental
(S experimental::autoderef) keys with a scalar argument is experimental and
may change or be removed in a future Perl version

*5.23*

Experimental %s on scalar is now forbidden
(F) An experimental feature added in Perl 5.14 allowed each, keys, push,
pop, shift, splice, unshift, and values to be called with a scalar
argument. This experiment is considered unsuccessful, and has been removed.
The postderef feature may meet your needs better.


*So, this code will now cause compilation failures:*

my $hashref = {
    key => 'value',
};

for my $key ( *keys $hashref* ) {
    print $key . "\n";
}

*And should instead be:*

for my $key ( *keys %{ $hashref }* ) {
    print $key . "\n";
}

Good times!

I have to admit that the later is more explicit but I kinda feel like this
violated the spirit of perl's "Do what I mean."  Is there any more
backstory, or can anyone else put forward additional reasons as to why this
functionality is being removed?

Best Regards,
Robert Stone
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From mrallen1 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 26 08:19:19 2016
From: mrallen1 at yahoo.com (Mark Allen)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 16:19:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pm-h] Bitten by "Experimental keys on scalar is now forbidden"
 on perl 5.23.X - How not to use keys!
In-Reply-To: <CAAvSPpQQED22n-Yfcvjq=iRetJtyBgKA89NwXc0cs-ju2KBYDQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAvSPpQQED22n-Yfcvjq=iRetJtyBgKA89NwXc0cs-ju2KBYDQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <924730372.441924.1453825159867.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

It was my understanding that most of the "automagic dereferencing" behaviors are being removed because although they *usually* do what you mean, they sometimes do not and that leads to mysterious and difficult to track down bugs.
Mark 

    On Tuesday, January 26, 2016 10:05 AM, Robert Stone via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:
 

 Greetings,
I've just released a heavily refactored version of my WWW::LogicBoxes module to cpan (http://search.cpan.org/dist/WWW-LogicBoxes/lib/WWW/LogicBoxes.pm), Huzzahs are in order!
However, cpan testers pointed out an issue to me:
Experimental keys on scalar is now forbidden at /tmp/loop_over_bdir-8387-8qtZ5O/WWW-LogicBoxes-1.0.1-syf1_3/blib/lib/WWW/LogicBoxes/Role/Command/Raw.pm line 165.
Looking at the perldiag documentation:
5.22
keys on reference is experimental(S experimental::autoderef) keys with a scalar argument is experimental and may change or be removed in a future Perl version
5.23
Experimental %s on scalar is now forbidden(F) An experimental feature added in Perl 5.14 allowed each, keys, push, pop, shift, splice, unshift, and values to be called with a scalar argument. This experiment is considered unsuccessful, and has been removed. The postderef feature may meet your needs better.

So, this code will now cause compilation failures:
my $hashref = {? ? key => 'value',};
for my $key ( keys $hashref ) {? ? print $key . "\n";}
And should instead be:
for my $key ( keys %{ $hashref } ) {? ? print $key . "\n";}
Good times!
I have to admit that the later is more explicit but I kinda feel like this violated the spirit of perl's "Do what I mean." ?Is there any more backstory, or can anyone else put forward additional reasons as to why this functionality is being removed?
Best Regards,Robert Stone
_______________________________________________
Houston mailing list
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http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
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From estrabd at gmail.com  Tue Jan 26 08:36:56 2016
From: estrabd at gmail.com (B. Estrade)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 10:36:56 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Looking for suggestions on new books
In-Reply-To: <CAAvSPpQ5gwnUNw9zcBr6-YArbq2dNMLOZQf95G5wgPOAj5o7xg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAvSPpQ5gwnUNw9zcBr6-YArbq2dNMLOZQf95G5wgPOAj5o7xg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALSf6fS=9Dwi7EErxjoOZ4WsfSM56y7wgKmg6GzB6vq2d=wdCg@mail.gmail.com>

My top recommendations, other than bdf's Mastering Perl (exceptional):

   1. Effective Perl Programming (Schwartz, bdf)
   2. Object Oriented Perl (Conway) - really a fundamental read
   3. Perl Best Practices (Conway)

The above books have in common that they don't read like books, but rather
you may pick and choose as your need/mood suites you.

In the same vein, the Perl Advent Calendar series on the web is also really
good to read.

Knuth's volume of books give you massive nerd cred, and in fact I own the
set. One day I will go through it all. One day. ;)

My #1 recommendation for a mind blowing, non-Perl book is Wolfram's A New
Kind of Science.  I read it cover to cover when it came out in the early
2000s. I never bought into the Wolfram-hate on such places as /., and I
recommend you do not either if you choose it as a read.  Taken for what it
is, it has the potential to change your perspective on computing on its
heads.

Other books I can recommend without hesitation:

   - Transaction Processing: Concepts and Techniques (Gray)
   - An Introduction to Database Systems (Date)
   - A Quarter Century of UNIX (Salus)
   - FreeBSD Mastery: Storage Essentials, FreeBSD Mastery: ZFS (both by
   Lucas)
   - High Performance MySQL (Brian Schwartz, et. al)
   - Unix Power Tools, Third Edition (Powers, et. al)

I have more, but this rounds out the list of must haves for me.

Brett


On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 9:50 AM, Robert Stone via Houston <houston at pm.org>
wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> I'm almost certain the book about refactoring code you are referring to is
> "Refactoring: Improving the Design of Existing Code" by Fowler, Beck and
> the rest of the brain trust.
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Refactoring-Improving-Design-Existing-Code/dp/0201485672
>
> Great book, highly recommended.  I read about the first half of it chapter
> by chapter and the rest of it is more reference for types of refactoring
> that you dive into when you need them ( Move Method, Replace Conditional
> with Polymorphism, etc).  I recommend the actual book rather than the
> kindle/ebook as the code sample are formatted rather poorly in the digital
> version.
>
> Though quite pricey, at our Tips and Tricks meeting Julian mentioned the
> four book series "The Art of Computer Programming" by Knuth.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Computer-Programming-Volumes-1-4A-Boxed/dp/0321751043
>
> This is an epic series, very math heavy and very deep and I've been really
> digging it.
>
> In addition to these, I've been re-reading the perl classics and it's
> amazing how each time I do so I understand more and more and find myself
> saying "I didn't know you could do that!"
>
> Learning Perl - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1449303587
> Intermediate Perl -
> http://www.amazon.com/Intermediate-Perl-Randal-L-Schwartz/dp/1449393098
> Mastering Perl -
> http://www.amazon.com/Mastering-Perl-brian-d-foy/dp/144939311X
>
> Best Regards,
> Robert Stone
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Trac Taylor via Houston <houston at pm.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hey everyone
>>
>> I getting some funds from work for new books.  I know in some of the past
>> meetings, we have discussed some books to read.  These don't have to be
>> Perl books.  The books do need to be about programming or somewhere along
>> those lines.
>>
>> Wade, I remember you telling me a book about refactoring code, which
>> sounded interesting but I dont remember the title/author.  And Julian
>> talked about the algorithms book 2 months ago.
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>> Trac Taylor
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Houston mailing list
>> Houston at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
>> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>
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From mrallen1 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 26 08:52:13 2016
From: mrallen1 at yahoo.com (Mark Allen)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 16:52:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pm-h] Looking for suggestions on new books
In-Reply-To: <CALSf6fS=9Dwi7EErxjoOZ4WsfSM56y7wgKmg6GzB6vq2d=wdCg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALSf6fS=9Dwi7EErxjoOZ4WsfSM56y7wgKmg6GzB6vq2d=wdCg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <282166545.456381.1453827133797.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

The best Perl book I ever read -- and one of the best general programming technique books -- was Higher Order Perl. It's available as a free ebook now, but still in print if you want a hard copy.
Higher-Order Perl
| ? |
| ? |  | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? |
| Higher-Order PerlHigher-Order Perl by Mark Jason Dominus OrderHigher-Order Perl online from Powell's Books Download full text Current Status: The book was published on 8 Mar... |
|  |
| View on hop.perl.plover.com | Preview by Yahoo |
|  |
| ? |


 

    On Tuesday, January 26, 2016 10:37 AM, B. Estrade via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:
 

 My top recommendations, other than bdf's Mastering Perl (exceptional):   
   - Effective Perl Programming (Schwartz, bdf)   

   - Object Oriented Perl (Conway) - really a fundamental read
   - Perl Best Practices (Conway)
The above books have in common that they don't read like books, but rather you may pick and choose as your need/mood suites you.
In the same vein, the Perl Advent Calendar series on the web is also really good to read.
Knuth's volume of books give you massive nerd cred, and in fact I own the set. One day I will go through it all. One day. ;)
My #1 recommendation for a mind blowing, non-Perl book is Wolfram's A New Kind of Science.? I read it cover to cover when it came out in the early 2000s. I never bought into the Wolfram-hate on such places as /., and I recommend you do not either if you choose it as a read.? Taken for what it is, it has the potential to change your perspective on computing on its heads.
Other books I can recommend without hesitation:   
   - Transaction Processing: Concepts and Techniques (Gray)   

   - An Introduction to Database Systems (Date)   

   - A Quarter Century of UNIX (Salus)   

   - FreeBSD Mastery: Storage Essentials,?FreeBSD Mastery: ZFS (both by Lucas)
   - High Performance MySQL (Brian Schwartz, et. al)   

   - Unix Power Tools, Third Edition (Powers, et. al)   

I have more, but this rounds out the list of must haves for me.
Brett

On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 9:50 AM, Robert Stone via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:

Greetings,
I'm almost certain the book about refactoring code you are referring to is "Refactoring: Improving the Design of Existing Code" by Fowler, Beck and the rest of the brain trust.
http://www.amazon.com/Refactoring-Improving-Design-Existing-Code/dp/0201485672
Great book, highly recommended.? I read about the first half of it chapter by chapter and the rest of it is more reference for types of refactoring that you dive into when you need them ( Move Method, Replace Conditional with Polymorphism, etc).? I recommend the actual book rather than the kindle/ebook as the code sample are formatted rather poorly in the digital version.
Though quite pricey, at our Tips and Tricks meeting Julian mentioned the four book series "The Art of Computer Programming" by Knuth.
http://www.amazon.com/Computer-Programming-Volumes-1-4A-Boxed/dp/0321751043

This is an epic series, very math heavy and very deep and I've been really digging it.
In addition to these, I've been re-reading the perl classics and it's amazing how each time I do so I understand more and more and find myself saying "I didn't know you could do that!"
Learning Perl -?http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1449303587Intermediate Perl -?http://www.amazon.com/Intermediate-Perl-Randal-L-Schwartz/dp/1449393098Mastering Perl -?http://www.amazon.com/Mastering-Perl-brian-d-foy/dp/144939311X
Best Regards,Robert Stone

On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Trac Taylor via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:

Hey everyone
I getting some funds from work for new books.? I know in some of the past meetings, we have discussed some books to read.? These don't have to be Perl books.? The books do need to be about programming or somewhere along those lines.
Wade, I remember you telling me a book about refactoring code, which sounded interesting but I dont remember the title/author.? And Julian talked about the algorithms book 2 months ago. ?

ThanksTrac Taylor


_______________________________________________
Houston mailing list
Houston at pm.org
http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
Website: http://houston.pm.org/



_______________________________________________
Houston mailing list
Houston at pm.org
http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
Website: http://houston.pm.org/



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From julian at jlbprof.com  Tue Jan 26 09:41:05 2016
From: julian at jlbprof.com (Julian Brown)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 11:41:05 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Looking for suggestions on new books
In-Reply-To: <CALSf6fS=9Dwi7EErxjoOZ4WsfSM56y7wgKmg6GzB6vq2d=wdCg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAvSPpQ5gwnUNw9zcBr6-YArbq2dNMLOZQf95G5wgPOAj5o7xg@mail.gmail.com>
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http://www.amazon.com/Algorithms-Parts-1-5-Bundle-Fundamentals/dp/0201756080/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1453829725&sr=8-2&keywords=algorithms+in

http://www.amazon.com/Algorithms-Parts-1-4-Fundamentals-Structure/dp/0201350882/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1453829725&sr=8-4&keywords=algorithms+in

http://www.amazon.com/Algorithms-Java-Parts-1-4-Pts-1-4/dp/0201361205/ref=sr_1_19?ie=UTF8&qid=1453829814&sr=8-19&keywords=algorithms+in

Unfortunately they do not offer it in Perl, so choose C, C++ or Java.

There are excellent descriptions of how to work with existing and develop
new algorithms which is 3rd/4th year Computer Science but is an excellent
basis for people who do not have Computer Science educations.

Julian


On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 10:36 AM, B. Estrade via Houston <houston at pm.org>
wrote:

> My top recommendations, other than bdf's Mastering Perl (exceptional):
>
>    1. Effective Perl Programming (Schwartz, bdf)
>    2. Object Oriented Perl (Conway) - really a fundamental read
>    3. Perl Best Practices (Conway)
>
> The above books have in common that they don't read like books, but rather
> you may pick and choose as your need/mood suites you.
>
> In the same vein, the Perl Advent Calendar series on the web is also
> really good to read.
>
> Knuth's volume of books give you massive nerd cred, and in fact I own the
> set. One day I will go through it all. One day. ;)
>
> My #1 recommendation for a mind blowing, non-Perl book is Wolfram's A New
> Kind of Science.  I read it cover to cover when it came out in the early
> 2000s. I never bought into the Wolfram-hate on such places as /., and I
> recommend you do not either if you choose it as a read.  Taken for what it
> is, it has the potential to change your perspective on computing on its
> heads.
>
> Other books I can recommend without hesitation:
>
>    - Transaction Processing: Concepts and Techniques (Gray)
>    - An Introduction to Database Systems (Date)
>    - A Quarter Century of UNIX (Salus)
>    - FreeBSD Mastery: Storage Essentials, FreeBSD Mastery: ZFS (both by
>    Lucas)
>    - High Performance MySQL (Brian Schwartz, et. al)
>    - Unix Power Tools, Third Edition (Powers, et. al)
>
> I have more, but this rounds out the list of must haves for me.
>
> Brett
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 9:50 AM, Robert Stone via Houston <houston at pm.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> I'm almost certain the book about refactoring code you are referring to
>> is "Refactoring: Improving the Design of Existing Code" by Fowler, Beck and
>> the rest of the brain trust.
>>
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Refactoring-Improving-Design-Existing-Code/dp/0201485672
>>
>> Great book, highly recommended.  I read about the first half of it
>> chapter by chapter and the rest of it is more reference for types of
>> refactoring that you dive into when you need them ( Move Method, Replace
>> Conditional with Polymorphism, etc).  I recommend the actual book rather
>> than the kindle/ebook as the code sample are formatted rather poorly in the
>> digital version.
>>
>> Though quite pricey, at our Tips and Tricks meeting Julian mentioned the
>> four book series "The Art of Computer Programming" by Knuth.
>>
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Computer-Programming-Volumes-1-4A-Boxed/dp/0321751043
>>
>> This is an epic series, very math heavy and very deep and I've been
>> really digging it.
>>
>> In addition to these, I've been re-reading the perl classics and it's
>> amazing how each time I do so I understand more and more and find myself
>> saying "I didn't know you could do that!"
>>
>> Learning Perl - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1449303587
>> Intermediate Perl -
>> http://www.amazon.com/Intermediate-Perl-Randal-L-Schwartz/dp/1449393098
>> Mastering Perl -
>> http://www.amazon.com/Mastering-Perl-brian-d-foy/dp/144939311X
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Robert Stone
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Trac Taylor via Houston <houston at pm.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey everyone
>>>
>>> I getting some funds from work for new books.  I know in some of the
>>> past meetings, we have discussed some books to read.  These don't have to
>>> be Perl books.  The books do need to be about programming or somewhere
>>> along those lines.
>>>
>>> Wade, I remember you telling me a book about refactoring code, which
>>> sounded interesting but I dont remember the title/author.  And Julian
>>> talked about the algorithms book 2 months ago.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Trac Taylor
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Houston mailing list
>>> Houston at pm.org
>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
>>> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
>> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
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>
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From zaki.mughal at gmail.com  Tue Jan 26 10:05:06 2016
From: zaki.mughal at gmail.com (Zakariyya Mughal)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 12:05:06 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Looking for suggestions on new books
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Hey all,

Some folks keep asking me for recommendations, so I put together this
list as a Gist on GitHub:

  - <https://gist.github.com/zmughal/0364a8bfba8c9bb01f4a>

As you might be able to tell, my interests are more towards statistics
and signal processing, but I put some variety in there.

I'm looking for more software engineering books and that Refactoring
book has been on my list for a while.

Does anyone know of any books that focus on testing?

If there is anything specifically about testing numerical code, I'd love
to know about it. I'm currently eyeing "Verification and Validation in
Scientific Computing" by William L. Oberkampf and Christopher J. Roy.

Cheers,
- Zaki Mughal

From estrabd at gmail.com  Tue Jan 26 10:26:26 2016
From: estrabd at gmail.com (B. Estrade)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 12:26:26 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Looking for suggestions on new books
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Zakariyya Mughal via Houston <
houston at pm.org> wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> Some folks keep asking me for recommendations, so I put together this
> list as a Gist on GitHub:
>
>   - <https://gist.github.com/zmughal/0364a8bfba8c9bb01f4a>
>
> As you might be able to tell, my interests are more towards statistics
> and signal processing, but I put some variety in there.
>
> I'm looking for more software engineering books and that Refactoring
> book has been on my list for a while.
>
> Does anyone know of any books that focus on testing?


   - Perl Testing: A Developer's Notebook
   - How Google Tests Software


> If there is anything specifically about testing numerical code, I'd love
> to know about it. I'm currently eyeing "Verification and Validation in
> Scientific Computing" by William L. Oberkampf and Christopher J. Roy.
>

Ah, this is more of an art than a science. You need validation output and
to test on a variety of architectures and levels of compiler optimizations.
You need to understand the inherent errors that come with the numerical
formulation. It helps to have explicit forms of the method to compare, etc.
I did this kind of work back in the early 2000s.  I know of no book,
though. I am sure if I had been aware of the one you mentioned above, I
would have gotten it.

Brett


>
> Cheers,
> - Zaki Mughal
> _______________________________________________
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From julian at jlbprof.com  Tue Jan 26 09:34:21 2016
From: julian at jlbprof.com (Julian Brown)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 11:34:21 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Bitten by "Experimental keys on scalar is now forbidden"
 on perl 5.23.X - How not to use keys!
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I always do the latter mechanism anyway because there is no ambiguity.   It
has bit me in the past.

Julian

On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Mark Allen via Houston <houston at pm.org>
wrote:

> It was my understanding that most of the "automagic dereferencing"
> behaviors are being removed because although they *usually* do what you
> mean, they sometimes do not and that leads to mysterious and difficult to
> track down bugs.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 26, 2016 10:05 AM, Robert Stone via Houston <
> houston at pm.org> wrote:
>
>
> Greetings,
>
> I've just released a heavily refactored version of my WWW::LogicBoxes
> module to cpan (
> http://search.cpan.org/dist/WWW-LogicBoxes/lib/WWW/LogicBoxes.pm),
> Huzzahs are in order!
>
> However, cpan testers pointed out an issue to me:
>
> Experimental keys on scalar is now forbidden at /tmp/loop_over_bdir-8387-8qtZ5O/WWW-LogicBoxes-1.0.1-syf1_3/blib/lib/WWW/LogicBoxes/Role/Command/Raw.pm line 165.
>
>
> Looking at the perldiag documentation:
>
> *5.22*
>
> keys on reference is experimental
> (S experimental::autoderef) keys with a scalar argument is experimental
> and may change or be removed in a future Perl version
>
> *5.23*
>
> Experimental %s on scalar is now forbidden
> (F) An experimental feature added in Perl 5.14 allowed each, keys, push,
> pop, shift, splice, unshift, and values to be called with a scalar
> argument. This experiment is considered unsuccessful, and has been removed.
> The postderef feature may meet your needs better.
>
>
> *So, this code will now cause compilation failures:*
>
> my $hashref = {
>     key => 'value',
> };
>
> for my $key ( *keys $hashref* ) {
>     print $key . "\n";
> }
>
> *And should instead be:*
>
> for my $key ( *keys %{ $hashref }* ) {
>     print $key . "\n";
> }
>
> Good times!
>
> I have to admit that the later is more explicit but I kinda feel like this
> violated the spirit of perl's "Do what I mean."  Is there any more
> backstory, or can anyone else put forward additional reasons as to why this
> functionality is being removed?
>
> Best Regards,
> Robert Stone
>
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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Tue Jan 26 18:03:02 2016
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 20:03:02 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Looking for suggestions on new books
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On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 15:32:57 +0000 (UTC)
Trac Taylor via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:

> Hey everyone
> I getting some funds from work for new books. ?I know in some of the
> past meetings, we have discussed some books to read. ?These don't
> have to be Perl books. ?The books do need to be about programming or
> somewhere along those lines. Wade, I remember you telling me a book
> about refactoring code, which sounded interesting but I dont remember
> the title/author. ?And Julian talked about the algorithms book 2
> months ago. ?

The book on refactoring may have been "Refactoring" as suggested by
Robert. But, I might also have mentioned
http://www.amazon.com/Working-Effectively-Legacy-Michael-Feathers/dp/0131177052

If you don't have "Code Complete" by McConnell, any edition is well
worth it.

Honestly, you'd need to narrow down the area of programming you want
books about. I've got a couple hundred in easy reach, ranging from
language-specific to Cryptography, and from beginner to advanced.

What are you looking for?

G. Wade

> ThanksTrac Taylor
> 


-- 
Rule of thumb: if you think something is clever and sophisticated,
beware: it is probably self-indulgence.             -- Donald Norman

From trac_t at swbell.net  Thu Jan 28 10:52:57 2016
From: trac_t at swbell.net (Trac Taylor)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:52:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pm-h] Endurance Company
References: <1662364482.1427911.1454007177340.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1662364482.1427911.1454007177340.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello Mongers

I had a recruiter contact me last night about a Perl opening in Houston. ?He said its for a company called Endurance. ?I forwarded him my resume and asked for the address. ?Well, in google maps, it shows the address as the Hostgator site. ?
Anyone of you looking at my resume today? ? So is this a sister company of Hostgator or what?
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From matt at lessthan3.net  Thu Jan 28 10:57:53 2016
From: matt at lessthan3.net (Matthew Dees)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 12:57:53 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Endurance Company
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Endurance international group is hostgators parent company.
On Jan 28, 2016 12:55 PM, "Trac Taylor via Houston" <houston at pm.org> wrote:

> Hello Mongers
>
> I had a recruiter contact me last night about a Perl opening in Houston.
> He said its for a company called Endurance.  I forwarded him my resume and
> asked for the address.  Well, in google maps, it shows the address as the
> Hostgator site.
>
> Anyone of you looking at my resume today?   So is this a sister company of
> Hostgator or what?
>
> Trac Taylor
>
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
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From trac_t at swbell.net  Thu Jan 28 11:02:31 2016
From: trac_t at swbell.net (Trac Taylor)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:02:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pm-h] Looking for suggestions on new books
In-Reply-To: <20160126200302.6bd6f12d@cygnus>
References: <20160126200302.6bd6f12d@cygnus>
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Sorry it took me so long to respond. ?The last two days have been non-stop. ?Anyway, thanks for all the suggestions. ?I have most of the Perl books already and I usually pick one each night and re-read a section. ?I always find it nice to reread a section that I understand better or maybe we touched on the topic in one of the perl meetings.
As for narrowing my search. ?I guess I was just looking for new ideas to broaden my search for books besides the ones that Wade and Julian had mentioned in the meetings. ?I remember Wade telling me about the refactor one a few times since that is a lot of what I am doing these days. ?Or at least that is what I have fun doing. ?
I am always open for a new to me Perl book. I have read Code Complete. ?It was about 15 yrs ago but I did read it.?
I think for now i have enough suggestions that I can go through. ?
Thanks again!Trac??
 

    On Tuesday, January 26, 2016 8:03 PM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote:
 

 On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 15:32:57 +0000 (UTC)
Trac Taylor via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:

> Hey everyone
> I getting some funds from work for new books. ?I know in some of the
> past meetings, we have discussed some books to read. ?These don't
> have to be Perl books. ?The books do need to be about programming or
> somewhere along those lines. Wade, I remember you telling me a book
> about refactoring code, which sounded interesting but I dont remember
> the title/author. ?And Julian talked about the algorithms book 2
> months ago. ?

The book on refactoring may have been "Refactoring" as suggested by
Robert. But, I might also have mentioned
http://www.amazon.com/Working-Effectively-Legacy-Michael-Feathers/dp/0131177052

If you don't have "Code Complete" by McConnell, any edition is well
worth it.

Honestly, you'd need to narrow down the area of programming you want
books about. I've got a couple hundred in easy reach, ranging from
language-specific to Cryptography, and from beginner to advanced.

What are you looking for?

G. Wade

> ThanksTrac Taylor
> 


-- 
Rule of thumb: if you think something is clever and sophisticated,
beware: it is probably self-indulgence.? ? ? ? ? ? -- Donald Norman

  
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From trac_t at swbell.net  Thu Jan 28 11:03:43 2016
From: trac_t at swbell.net (Trac Taylor)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:03:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pm-h] Endurance Company
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Ah, thanks Matthew.
Trac

    On Thursday, January 28, 2016 12:57 PM, Matthew Dees <matt at lessthan3.net> wrote:
 

 Endurance international group is hostgators parent company.On Jan 28, 2016 12:55 PM, "Trac Taylor via Houston" <houston at pm.org> wrote:

Hello Mongers

I had a recruiter contact me last night about a Perl opening in Houston.? He said its for a company called Endurance.? I forwarded him my resume and asked for the address.? Well, in google maps, it shows the address as the Hostgator site. ?
Anyone of you looking at my resume today? ? So is this a sister company of Hostgator or what?
Trac Taylor
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From anaremore at hostgator.com  Thu Jan 28 11:41:14 2016
From: anaremore at hostgator.com (Austin Naremore)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 13:41:14 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Endurance Company
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I'd be the hiring manager for that one :)

If I don't see your info come through the appropriate channels shortly then
I'll reach out directly.

On Jan 28, 2016 12:58 PM, "Matthew Dees via Houston" <houston at pm.org> wrote:

> Endurance international group is hostgators parent company.
> On Jan 28, 2016 12:55 PM, "Trac Taylor via Houston" <houston at pm.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Mongers
>>
>> I had a recruiter contact me last night about a Perl opening in Houston.
>> He said its for a company called Endurance.  I forwarded him my resume and
>> asked for the address.  Well, in google maps, it shows the address as the
>> Hostgator site.
>>
>> Anyone of you looking at my resume today?   So is this a sister company
>> of Hostgator or what?
>>
>> Trac Taylor
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Houston mailing list
>> Houston at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
>> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>>
>
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From trac_t at swbell.net  Thu Jan 28 12:57:35 2016
From: trac_t at swbell.net (Trac Taylor)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:57:35 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Endurance Company
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Thanks Austin.  It will be later tonight since the recruiter is waiting on my perl script.

Thanks
Trac.

> On Jan 28, 2016, at 1:41 PM, Austin Naremore via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:
> 
> I'd be the hiring manager for that one :)
> 
> If I don't see your info come through the appropriate channels shortly then I'll reach out directly.
> 
>> On Jan 28, 2016 12:58 PM, "Matthew Dees via Houston" <houston at pm.org> wrote:
>> Endurance international group is hostgators parent company.
>> 
>>> On Jan 28, 2016 12:55 PM, "Trac Taylor via Houston" <houston at pm.org> wrote:
>>> Hello Mongers
>>> 
>>> I had a recruiter contact me last night about a Perl opening in Houston.  He said its for a company called Endurance.  I forwarded him my resume and asked for the address.  Well, in google maps, it shows the address as the Hostgator site.  
>>> 
>>> Anyone of you looking at my resume today?   So is this a sister company of Hostgator or what?
>>> 
>>> Trac Taylor
>>> 
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