From gwadej at anomaly.org  Sun Mar  1 14:56:40 2015
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2015 16:56:40 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] March Houston.pm Technical Meeting
Message-ID: <20150301165640.132860b9@cygnus>

The March 12 Houston.pm technical meeting will be "How to Disagree -
But Still Be Agreeable" with Robert Stone.

"A big part of being a technology expert or software developer in the
real world are so called 'Soft Skills.' Being able to present your
point of view, discuss a difference in opinion, and ultimately come to
a compromise are key skills not just for job seekers but also for
successful individuals in life!"

This meeting will start at 7pm on March 12 at the cPanel offices (3131
W. Alabama St.:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=3131+W.+Alabama+St,+Houston,+TX&hl=en&z=17)
As usual, we will collect in the lobby between 6:30pm and 7 and go up
for the presentation.

This talk should be a bit different than our regular fare, but I'm sure
that Robert will make it entertaining.

I look forward to seeing you there.
G. Wade
-- 
We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters
will eventually reproduce the works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the
Internet, we know this is not true.         -- Robert Wilensky, UCB

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Sun Mar 15 21:09:47 2015
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2015 23:09:47 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] March Houston.pm write-up is on-line
Message-ID: <20150315230947.67c43ce7@cygnus>

The writeup on our March meeting will shortly be  on-line at
http://houston.pm.org/talks/2015talks/1503Talk/index.html

G. Wade
-- 
Understanding is a three-edged sword.      -- Kosh in "Deathwalker"

From julian at jlbprof.com  Mon Mar 16 06:20:16 2015
From: julian at jlbprof.com (Julian Brown)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 08:20:16 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Perl Gotchas
Message-ID: <CAMzD1SokMmcS_c180Y0YEYrspnzwgSU4qLUom+p3ug527zq1dQ@mail.gmail.com>

In response to the last meeting of Perl Mongers, I am wiling create a
"compendium" of "Perl Gotchas".   If I get enough of them I will present
them at the May PM.

So if you have something that bit you in the past I would like to hear
about it.  By biting you, I mean Perl did not respond as you expected it to
respond.   Either because you did not understand how it would perform or
even a problem in Perl itself.  Please send me a description of the issue,
and any discussion you can about it and email it to me at

j l b p r o f AT g m a i l . c o m

I will probably go back and forth with you till I get a good understanding
of the problem so I can write it up.

Chris, I definitely want to hear in detail how auto vilification bit you in
your project.

Thanx

Julian
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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Mon Mar 16 07:20:16 2015
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 09:20:16 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Perl Gotchas
In-Reply-To: <CAMzD1SokMmcS_c180Y0YEYrspnzwgSU4qLUom+p3ug527zq1dQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMzD1SokMmcS_c180Y0YEYrspnzwgSU4qLUom+p3ug527zq1dQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20150316092016.231e6c32@cygnus>

On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 08:20:16 -0500
Julian Brown via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:

> In response to the last meeting of Perl Mongers, I am wiling create a
> "compendium" of "Perl Gotchas".   If I get enough of them I will
> present them at the May PM.

[snip]
 
> Chris, I definitely want to hear in detail how auto vilification bit
> you in your project.

I love it. I've never seen "autovivification" called that before. That
should be enshired somewhere.<grin/>

G. Wade

> Thanx
> 
> Julian


-- 
Fortune knocks but once, but misfortune has much more patience.
                                                -- Laurence J. Peter

From julian at jlbprof.com  Mon Mar 16 08:38:35 2015
From: julian at jlbprof.com (Julian Brown)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 10:38:35 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Perl Gotchas
In-Reply-To: <20150316092016.231e6c32@cygnus>
References: <CAMzD1SokMmcS_c180Y0YEYrspnzwgSU4qLUom+p3ug527zq1dQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20150316092016.231e6c32@cygnus>
Message-ID: <CAMzD1SqGMhbdqmQAOP16E0cbt9BHMsnV7CVHaomPTBGn_7QBOA@mail.gmail.com>

lol it must have corrected my spelling incorrectly :)


On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:20 AM, G. Wade Johnson via Houston <houston at pm.org
> wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 08:20:16 -0500
> Julian Brown via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:
>
> > In response to the last meeting of Perl Mongers, I am wiling create a
> > "compendium" of "Perl Gotchas".   If I get enough of them I will
> > present them at the May PM.
>
> [snip]
>
> > Chris, I definitely want to hear in detail how auto vilification bit
> > you in your project.
>
> I love it. I've never seen "autovivification" called that before. That
> should be enshired somewhere.<grin/>
>
> G. Wade
>
> > Thanx
> >
> > Julian
>
>
> --
> Fortune knocks but once, but misfortune has much more patience.
>                                                 -- Laurence J. Peter
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From mrdvt92 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 16 21:23:32 2015
From: mrdvt92 at yahoo.com (Michael R. Davis)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 04:23:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pm-h] Perl Gotchas
In-Reply-To: <CAMzD1SokMmcS_c180Y0YEYrspnzwgSU4qLUom+p3ug527zq1dQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMzD1SokMmcS_c180Y0YEYrspnzwgSU4qLUom+p3ug527zq1dQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <471610998.331434.1426566212689.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Julian,?> So if you have something that bit you in the past I would like to hear about it.? ?$ perl -Mstrict -Mwarnings -e 'my %hash=(A=>1, B=>2); print $hash{shift}, "\n"' B
Use of uninitialized value $hash{"shift"} in print at -e line 1.?Uninitialized? B is 2! Perl, what are you thinking?
This bit me hard as it took a long time to figure out (actually a colleague did ).? The "shift" is actually 'shift' not shift().?I wish there we an ultra strict mode which does not allow bare words for hash keys.?I now only use two syntaxes for hash keys. Once bitten twice shy.?$hash{'A'};$hash{$key};?Example, of what I would do today.? First, always shift/set variables at the start of every script/sub with sane defaults.?$ perl -Mstrict -Mwarnings -e 'my $key=shift || "A"; my %hash=(A=>1, B=>2); print $hash{$key}, "\n"' B
2
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From will.willis at gmail.com  Fri Mar 20 09:25:12 2015
From: will.willis at gmail.com (Will Willis)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 11:25:12 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Tech books & decluttering
Message-ID: <CAFT=-5qG9Vy9PwUWmKiaPGtANC0z04SwSG_amVtNgde_5wD_tA@mail.gmail.com>

What do you all do with your old tech books? While I get a since of
nostalgia seeing them on the shelf (collecting dust), I no longer have any
use for *these* books any more (see attachment). I've thought about taking
them to the library, but doubt they'd get much use there either. Most of
these are selling on amazon for pennies, so listing, waiting, and shipping
them wouldn't be worth my time. I'm trying to find them a better home, as
opposed to trashing them.

Thanks,
Will
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From estrabd at gmail.com  Fri Mar 20 10:33:19 2015
From: estrabd at gmail.com (B. Estrade)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 12:33:19 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Tech books & decluttering
In-Reply-To: <CAFT=-5qG9Vy9PwUWmKiaPGtANC0z04SwSG_amVtNgde_5wD_tA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFT=-5qG9Vy9PwUWmKiaPGtANC0z04SwSG_amVtNgde_5wD_tA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67561BAD-38BC-4219-83CD-253918C54E7D@gmail.com>

I have them myself, but the Perl network programming and learning bash shell books are both classics.

Brett 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 20, 2015, at 11:25 AM, Will Willis via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:
> 
> What do you all do with your old tech books? While I get a since of nostalgia seeing them on the shelf (collecting dust), I no longer have any use for *these* books any more (see attachment). I've thought about taking them to the library, but doubt they'd get much use there either. Most of these are selling on amazon for pennies, so listing, waiting, and shipping them wouldn't be worth my time. I'm trying to find them a better home, as opposed to trashing them. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Will
> <IMG_20150320_111522.jpg>
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From todd at rinaldo.us  Fri Mar 20 09:30:08 2015
From: todd at rinaldo.us (Todd Rinaldo)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 11:30:08 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Tech books & decluttering
In-Reply-To: <CAFT=-5qG9Vy9PwUWmKiaPGtANC0z04SwSG_amVtNgde_5wD_tA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFT=-5qG9Vy9PwUWmKiaPGtANC0z04SwSG_amVtNgde_5wD_tA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG8vyGFQ7sr9Yz5UeK84ME2zkQwV-UrntEhxANfxkF4JoGfU5g@mail.gmail.com>

I will take your MST book. I've been meaning to read it.

On Friday, March 20, 2015, Will Willis via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:

> What do you all do with your old tech books? While I get a since of
> nostalgia seeing them on the shelf (collecting dust), I no longer have any
> use for *these* books any more (see attachment). I've thought about taking
> them to the library, but doubt they'd get much use there either. Most of
> these are selling on amazon for pennies, so listing, waiting, and shipping
> them wouldn't be worth my time. I'm trying to find them a better home, as
> opposed to trashing them.
>
> Thanks,
> Will
>


-- 
Todd Rinaldo
todd at rinaldo.us
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From mikeflan at att.net  Fri Mar 20 18:10:39 2015
From: mikeflan at att.net (Mike Flannigan)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 20:10:39 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Tech books & decluttering
In-Reply-To: <CAFT=-5qG9Vy9PwUWmKiaPGtANC0z04SwSG_amVtNgde_5wD_tA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFT=-5qG9Vy9PwUWmKiaPGtANC0z04SwSG_amVtNgde_5wD_tA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <550CC50F.5010005@att.net>



I would probably read "CGI Programming with Perl" if I
had it.  I'm surprised to see it's not in the Harris
county libraries.

If you were in the Clear Lake area I would pick it up
for a few weeks, but obviously it's not worth shipping.

Interestingly, I have a 232kb PDF file that is titled
"CGI Programming with Perl" and is written by Kirrily Robert,
Paul Fenwick, and Jacinta Richardson.  It's only 70 pages
and is not particularly good.

I also have a PDF titled "CGI Programming on the WWW", which
is 372 pages.  I perused it and it is fairly good, but I
probably won't be reading it.



Mike



On 3/20/2015 11:25 AM, Will Willis via Houston wrote:
> What do you all do with your old tech books? While I get a since of 
> nostalgia seeing them on the shelf (collecting dust), I no longer have 
> any use for *these* books any more (see attachment). I've thought 
> about taking them to the library, but doubt they'd get much use there 
> either. Most of these are selling on amazon for pennies, so listing, 
> waiting, and shipping them wouldn't be worth my time. I'm trying to 
> find them a better home, as opposed to trashing them.
>
> Thanks,
> Will
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Fri Mar 20 19:51:11 2015
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 21:51:11 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Tech books & decluttering
In-Reply-To: <CAFT=-5qG9Vy9PwUWmKiaPGtANC0z04SwSG_amVtNgde_5wD_tA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFT=-5qG9Vy9PwUWmKiaPGtANC0z04SwSG_amVtNgde_5wD_tA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20150320215111.6fe132bb@cygnus>

On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 11:25:12 -0500
Will Willis via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:

> What do you all do with your old tech books? While I get a since of
> nostalgia seeing them on the shelf (collecting dust), I no longer
> have any use for *these* books any more (see attachment). I've
> thought about taking them to the library, but doubt they'd get much
> use there either. Most of these are selling on amazon for pennies, so
> listing, waiting, and shipping them wouldn't be worth my time. I'm
> trying to find them a better home, as opposed to trashing them.

I've had some luck donating them to the local library. In some cases,
they can put the books on the shelf. Some of the libraries have a
regular book sale, and they can make money with books even if they are
older.

G. Wade

-- 
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste
good with ketchup.                                     -- C. Titus Brown

From trac_t at swbell.net  Sun Mar 22 10:41:10 2015
From: trac_t at swbell.net (Trac Taylor)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 12:41:10 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Tech books & decluttering
In-Reply-To: <20150320215111.6fe132bb@cygnus>
References: <CAFT=-5qG9Vy9PwUWmKiaPGtANC0z04SwSG_amVtNgde_5wD_tA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20150320215111.6fe132bb@cygnus>
Message-ID: <FD23B902-13CB-411E-B24E-FCC2E37258BE@swbell.net>

Hey Will

I would take 4 of them off your hands if no one has claimed them already.

MySQL
Network programming with Perl
CGI programming with Perl
Learning the Bash shell

I could get them at the next meeting or try to figure out a different way.  

Thanks 
Trac Taylor 

> On Mar 20, 2015, at 9:51 PM, G. Wade Johnson via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 11:25:12 -0500
> Will Willis via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:
> 
>> What do you all do with your old tech books? While I get a since of
>> nostalgia seeing them on the shelf (collecting dust), I no longer
>> have any use for *these* books any more (see attachment). I've
>> thought about taking them to the library, but doubt they'd get much
>> use there either. Most of these are selling on amazon for pennies, so
>> listing, waiting, and shipping them wouldn't be worth my time. I'm
>> trying to find them a better home, as opposed to trashing them.
> 
> I've had some luck donating them to the local library. In some cases,
> they can put the books on the shelf. Some of the libraries have a
> regular book sale, and they can make money with books even if they are
> older.
> 
> G. Wade
> 
> -- 
> Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste
> good with ketchup.                                     -- C. Titus Brown
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From will.willis at gmail.com  Wed Mar 25 08:27:38 2015
From: will.willis at gmail.com (Will Willis)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 10:27:38 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Tech books & decluttering
In-Reply-To: <FD23B902-13CB-411E-B24E-FCC2E37258BE@swbell.net>
References: <CAFT=-5qG9Vy9PwUWmKiaPGtANC0z04SwSG_amVtNgde_5wD_tA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20150320215111.6fe132bb@cygnus>
	<FD23B902-13CB-411E-B24E-FCC2E37258BE@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <CAFT=-5omSuVCjtJfjBqPtjn7KkfbAz0S6CFv1mjXsrxxEtiyPg@mail.gmail.com>

Brett, I'll drop the MySQL off with Todd and he can take it to cPanel.

Mike, I'll bring CGI programming to the next meeting (HostGator).

Trac, I'll bring Network programming and Bash to the next meeting
(HostGator). The others, as you can see were already spoken for.

Thanks guys!

Will


On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Trac Taylor via Houston <houston at pm.org>
wrote:

> Hey Will
>
> I would take 4 of them off your hands if no one has claimed them already.
>
> MySQL
> Network programming with Perl
> CGI programming with Perl
> Learning the Bash shell
>
> I could get them at the next meeting or try to figure out a different way.
>
>
> Thanks
> Trac Taylor
>
> On Mar 20, 2015, at 9:51 PM, G. Wade Johnson via Houston <houston at pm.org>
> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 11:25:12 -0500
> Will Willis via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:
>
> What do you all do with your old tech books? While I get a since of
>
> nostalgia seeing them on the shelf (collecting dust), I no longer
>
> have any use for *these* books any more (see attachment). I've
>
> thought about taking them to the library, but doubt they'd get much
>
> use there either. Most of these are selling on amazon for pennies, so
>
> listing, waiting, and shipping them wouldn't be worth my time. I'm
>
> trying to find them a better home, as opposed to trashing them.
>
>
> I've had some luck donating them to the local library. In some cases,
> they can put the books on the shelf. Some of the libraries have a
> regular book sale, and they can make money with books even if they are
> older.
>
> G. Wade
>
> --
> Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste
> good with ketchup.                                     -- C. Titus Brown
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>
>
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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Thu Mar 26 06:10:35 2015
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 08:10:35 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Houston Perl Meetup
Message-ID: <20150326081035.645f53ee@cygnus>

About 5 and a half years ago, I decided to try to use Meetup.com to
help promote the Houston.pm meetings.

Although we have 122 members in the Meetup, only a small fraction of
those have been to any meetings in the last year. Some of those are on
the mailing list as well.

Meetup.com has decided to raise their prices and I can't see that we
are getting enough value today for the old price, much less the new one.

So, this week I am going to cancel the Houston Perl Meetup. The
Houston.pm meetings will still continue as before. The announcements
and discussion will continue on the mailing list and the Google+ page.

G. Wade Johnson
-- 
"I can only conclude that I'm paying off karma at a vastly accelerated
rate."                            -- Ivanova, "Points of Departure"

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Thu Mar 26 15:22:01 2015
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 17:22:01 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] April Houston.pm meeting
Message-ID: <20150326172201.4daff182@cygnus>

Just a quick reminder about our next meeting "Weaponizing Serialization
flaws in Perl webapps with Metasploit" presented by John Lightsey at
Hostgator on Thursday, April 9. That's 2 weeks from today.

Looking forward to seeing everyone there.

G. Wade
-- 
That's what I love about GUIs: They make simple tasks easier, and
complex tasks impossible.
           -- John William Chambless, <39v25i$2rbc at whale.st.usm.edu>

From jtgraham at gmail.com  Fri Mar 27 12:21:10 2015
From: jtgraham at gmail.com (Tom Graham)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2015 14:21:10 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Houston Digest, Vol 124, Issue 10
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From mrdvt92 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 30 10:39:34 2015
From: mrdvt92 at yahoo.com (Michael R. Davis)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 17:39:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pm-h] JSON vs JSON::PP vs JSON:XS between EL5 and EL6
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Houston PMs,I have a catch 22 that I cannot figure out.? I need both JSON::PP (for sort_by capability on encoding) and JSON::XS (for performance on decoding).? We are moving from EL5 to EL6 but the JSON libs are not really consistent between the environments.? Has anyone else worked through this fiasco and have any best practices on how to get past this?Thanks,Mike?#use JSON perl version for sort_by for interoperability with crappy Windows service$self->json->sort_by(sub {no warnings q{uninitialized};$sorter->{$JSON::PP::a} <=> $sorter->{$JSON::PP::b}});$self->json->encode($data_input);?#use JSON:XS version for performance with VERY large returnsreturn $self->jsonxs->decode($json_return);?So, it looks like I need to do something like this.?if ('some logic to figure out running on EL5 vs EL6 like load JSON and see if JSON->can("sort_by")') {use JSON::PP qw{}; #we require JSON::PP->sort_by
} else {use JSON qw{}; #we require JSON::PP->sort_by
}?mrdvt92
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