From gwadej at anomaly.org Sat Nov 1 05:27:51 2014 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 07:27:51 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] November Lightning talks In-Reply-To: <313D793B-2978-4AE6-BD51-8C2F34C20FA5@gmail.com> References: <20141030105356.27e58d28@cygnus> <289833817.30171.1414711263997.JavaMail.zimbra@drzigman.com> <20141030230733.18940312@cygnus> <313D793B-2978-4AE6-BD51-8C2F34C20FA5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20141101072751.1a611b63@cygnus> On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 20:41:48 -0500 "B. Estrade" wrote: > Think you forgot me :) Oops. I did. > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Oct 30, 2014, at 11:07 PM, G. Wade Johnson via Houston > > wrote: > > > > On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 23:21:04 +0000 (GMT) > > Robert Stone wrote: > > > >> Greetings, > >> > >> I'd be happy to talk for a few minutes about the mysterious (just > >> TRY to google it, I dare you!) $# sigil. :) > > > > That's now 4 (5 if I do one). 1 Zaki Mughal - Embedding R in Perl through the C API - This sounds a little long for a lightning talk 2 JD - no topic specified 3 Fraser Baker - Event monitor demo 4 Robert Stone - $# sigil 5 Wade Johnson - I have a couple of ideas, I'd pick one 6 Brett Estrade - topic to be decided 7 ??? We can probably do this. I'll announce it this weekend. G. Wade > > Only a couple more needed to get a reasonable set of lightning > > talks. > > > > G. Wade > > > >> Best Regards, > >> Robert Stone > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "G. Wade Johnson via Houston" > >> To: "Houston Perl Mongers" > >> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:53:56 AM > >> Subject: [pm-h] November Lightning talks > >> > >> We stand now at 3-4 people who are willing to do a lightning talk > >> at the next meeting. > >> > >> If we can get at least 3 more, we'll have the meeting covered. > >> Come on people, all you need is one tip, technique, module, or > >> even function that you are willing to talk about for up to 5 > >> minutes. > >> > >> We should be able to get a few more takers. > >> > >> Anyone? > >> > >> G. Wade > > > > > > -- > > A language that doesn't affect the way you think about programming > > is not worth knowing. -- Alan > > Perlis _______________________________________________ > > Houston mailing list > > Houston at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ -- Virtual is when it's not but it looks like it is and transparent is when it is but it looks like it isn't. -- Rick Hoselton From gwadej at anomaly.org Sat Nov 1 05:31:58 2014 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 07:31:58 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] November Lightning talks In-Reply-To: References: <20141030105356.27e58d28@cygnus> <289833817.30171.1414711263997.JavaMail.zimbra@drzigman.com> <20141030230733.18940312@cygnus> Message-ID: <20141101073158.00e66de3@cygnus> On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 17:28:10 -0500 Julian Brown via Houston wrote: > I can talk for a few minutes on unit testing I do for Postgresql > Modules using Temp tables. Not sure if there would be much interest. Thanks, Julian. That would be a good talk. [snip] 1 Zaki Mughal - Embedding R in Perl through the C API - This sounds a little long for a lightning talk 2 JD - no topic specified 3 Fraser Baker - Event monitor demo 4 Robert Stone - $# sigil 5 Wade Johnson - I have a couple of ideas, I'd pick one 6 Brett Estrade - topic to be decided 7 Julian Brown - Unit testing Postgresql Modules This is great. We could probably handle a few more if you are emboldened by the other volunteers. 8 ??? 9 ??? A ??? G. Wade -- You should never hand someone a gun unless you're sure where they'll point it. -- Jeffrey Sinclair in "By Any Means Necessary" From mev412 at gmail.com Sat Nov 1 10:34:34 2014 From: mev412 at gmail.com (Mev412) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 12:34:34 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] November Lightning talks In-Reply-To: <20141101073158.00e66de3@cygnus> References: <20141030105356.27e58d28@cygnus> <289833817.30171.1414711263997.JavaMail.zimbra@drzigman.com> <20141030230733.18940312@cygnus> <20141101073158.00e66de3@cygnus> Message-ID: I can do a bit on 'Tail Recursion' demonstrated with Clojure. On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 7:31 AM, G. Wade Johnson via Houston wrote: > On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 17:28:10 -0500 > Julian Brown via Houston wrote: > > > I can talk for a few minutes on unit testing I do for Postgresql > > Modules using Temp tables. Not sure if there would be much interest. > > Thanks, Julian. 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Brett On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Julian Brown via Houston wrote: > What is the presentation program you use Wade? > > I could use Keynote because we are going to be at cPanel I guess. > > Julian > > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From julian at jlbprof.com Sat Nov 1 13:54:13 2014 From: julian at jlbprof.com (Julian Brown) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 15:54:13 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Presentation Program In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I created 6 slides using Google Drive On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 2:58 PM, B. Estrade wrote: > I've always used google docs, but there are tons of options. > > For a lightning talk, you're looking at only a few of slides at most - if > you even need them at all. > > Brett > > On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Julian Brown via Houston > wrote: > >> What is the presentation program you use Wade? >> >> I could use Keynote because we are going to be at cPanel I guess. >> >> Julian >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Houston mailing list >> Houston at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston >> Website: http://houston.pm.org/ >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gwadej at anomaly.org Sat Nov 1 22:56:09 2014 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 00:56:09 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Presentation Program In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20141102005609.60118688@cygnus> On Sat, 1 Nov 2014 14:14:19 -0500 Julian Brown via Houston wrote: > What is the presentation program you use Wade? > > I could use Keynote because we are going to be at cPanel I guess. I use S5 (http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/), but people have used almost anything. G. Wade -- If the universe puts a mystery in front of us as a gift, politeness requires that we at least try to solve it. -- Delenn in "Attonement" From gwadej at anomaly.org Sat Nov 1 22:59:06 2014 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 00:59:06 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] November Lightning talks In-Reply-To: References: <20141030105356.27e58d28@cygnus> <289833817.30171.1414711263997.JavaMail.zimbra@drzigman.com> <20141030230733.18940312@cygnus> <20141101073158.00e66de3@cygnus> Message-ID: <20141102005906.475aa7c8@cygnus> On Sat, 1 Nov 2014 12:34:34 -0500 Mev412 via Houston wrote: > I can do a bit on 'Tail Recursion' demonstrated with Clojure. That's 8, we're on a roll. > On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 7:31 AM, G. Wade Johnson via Houston > wrote: > > > On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 17:28:10 -0500 > > Julian Brown via Houston wrote: > > > > > I can talk for a few minutes on unit testing I do for Postgresql > > > Modules using Temp tables. Not sure if there would be much > > > interest. > > > > Thanks, Julian. That would be a good talk. > > > > [snip] > > > > 1 Zaki Mughal - Embedding R in Perl through the C API > > - This sounds a little long for a lightning talk > > 2 JD - no topic specified > > 3 Fraser Baker - Event monitor demo > > 4 Robert Stone - $# sigil > > 5 Wade Johnson - I have a couple of ideas, I'd pick one > > 6 Brett Estrade - topic to be decided > > 7 Julian Brown - Unit testing Postgresql Modules > > > > This is great. We could probably handle a few more if you are > > emboldened by the other volunteers. > > > > 8 ??? > > 9 ??? > > A ??? > > > > G. Wade > > -- > > You should never hand someone a gun unless you're sure where they'll > > point it. -- Jeffrey Sinclair in "By Any Means > > Necessary" _______________________________________________ > > Houston mailing list > > Houston at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > > -- Machines take me by surprise with great frequency. -- Alan Turing From gwadej at anomaly.org Sun Nov 2 20:35:56 2014 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 22:35:56 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] November Houston.pm Lightning Talks Message-ID: <20141102223556.70c3167f@cygnus> This month we're going to be doing lightning talks (a 5 minute, time-limited talk on any subject). We have several long-time presenters and some newer presenters signed up, including: * Zaki Mughal - Embedding R in Perl * JD Lightsey - Topic TBA * Fraser Baker - Event Monitor Demo * Robert Stone - The $# sigil * Wade Johnson - Topic TBA * Brett Estrade - Topic TBA * Julian Brown - Unit testing PostgreSQL Modules * Chris Mevissen - Tail recursion in Clojure * ??? There's still room for a few more to volunteer. We'll be meeting at cPanel (3131 W. Alabama St.) between 6:30 and 7pm in the lobby on November 13. The meeting will actually start at 7pm. Looking forward to seeing you all there. G. Wade -- If it doesn't have to be right, I can make it arbitrarily fast. -- Rick Hoselton From gwadej at anomaly.org Mon Nov 3 05:37:34 2014 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2014 07:37:34 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] November Houston.pm Lightning Talks In-Reply-To: <20141102223556.70c3167f@cygnus> References: <20141102223556.70c3167f@cygnus> Message-ID: <20141103073734.23f161dd@cygnus> On Sun, 2 Nov 2014 22:35:56 -0600 "G. Wade Johnson via Houston" wrote: > This month we're going to be doing lightning talks (a 5 minute, > time-limited talk on any subject). We have several long-time > presenters and some newer presenters signed up, including: Todd reminded me that I had missed him on the list. Here's an update. * Zaki Mughal - Embedding R in Perl * JD Lightsey - Topic TBA * Fraser Baker - Event Monitor Demo * Robert Stone - The $# sigil * Wade Johnson - Topic TBA * Brett Estrade - Topic TBA * Julian Brown - Unit testing PostgreSQL Modules * Chris Mevissen - Tail recursion in Clojure * Todd Rinaldo - UNIT TESTS! What are they? * ??? Anyone else? G. Wade > There's still room for a few more to volunteer. > > We'll be meeting at cPanel (3131 W. Alabama St.) between 6:30 and 7pm > in the lobby on November 13. The meeting will actually start at 7pm. > > Looking forward to seeing you all there. > G. Wade -- The price of reliability is the pursuit of the utmost simplicity. It is a price which the very rich find most hard to pay. -- C.A.R. Hoare From estrabd at gmail.com Mon Nov 10 04:34:22 2014 From: estrabd at gmail.com (B. Estrade) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 06:34:22 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] "How to write a developer CV/resume that will get you hired" (slides) Message-ID: I just happened to see this on HN. These slides use a Perl-heavy resume as an example and seem to have some very good tips. http://www.slideshare.net/perlcareers/how-to-write-a-developer-cvrsum-that-will-get-you-hired Brett -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Wade -- Results are what you wanted, consequences are what you got. -- Michael VanDusen From damon at booktrolls.com Mon Nov 10 15:19:38 2014 From: damon at booktrolls.com (Damon Hastings) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 15:19:38 -0800 Subject: [pm-h] "How to write a developer CV/resume that will get you hired" (slides) In-Reply-To: <20141110080112.18e2cbdf@cygnus> References: <20141110080112.18e2cbdf@cygnus> Message-ID: <1415661578.25596.YahooMailNeo@web181301.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> A good set of tips for any job-hunting programmer. But speaking as a Perl-exclusive employer, I can tell you that the Houston market for top-notch Perl coders is tight enough right now that I hardly bother to filter candidates by resume any more. I just glance at the resume to check that it mentions Perl a few times in some non-trivial way, and then I offer an interview. The candidate codes during the interview, and that's really the best way I can judge. For me, at least, it's all about the coding. But the big companies do filter your resume through a hiring manager, and, yes, they're generally clueless. Also bear in mind that most big companies only do "light scripting" in Perl, so you have to think about what kind of job you want. Professional recruiters and hiring managers tend to rely more on degrees, experience, and other "paper" qualifications (because they have to), and that's why I don't use them. I've encountered too many instances where a young candidate with no degree, no professional experience, and a crappy resume would code circles around other candidates with 20 years' experience. This doesn't seem to happen so much with C++ and the like. I'm thinking this problem might be unique to the Perl market, since most places only use Perl for "light scripting" (automation, QA, etc) -- and not even 20 years of light scripting will prepare you for "real" Perl coding at a Perl-exclusive company. The Perl market is bifurcated. So I'm highly aware that my candidates' resumes can mislead, particularly on Perl skills. I do skim briefly for markers of deeper knowledge: open source involvement, projects beyond light scripting, specific CPAN modules mentioned, etc. But this is still unreliable, and, frankly, there are few enough actual Perl candidates in (or willing to move to) Houston that I can afford to just interview them all. Honestly, I pay more attention to the cover letter than the resume (if it's tailored to my job posting); those are rare, and a good idea. One last note: any candidate willing to relocate will have a huge advantage in the market. It's by far the single largest limiting factor I've encountered in my search. If I accepted telecommuting candidates, then I'd probably have to hire a recruiter to filter through the great hordes of programmers worldwide trying to telecommute. If you do want to telecommute, then you might consider reading that slideshow carefully, because you'll need an optimal resume. Just my opinion, though. ;-) Damon Hastings CTO, BookTrolls, LLC https://www.linkedin.com/pub/damon-hastings/5/630/309 On Monday, November 10, 2014 8:01 AM, G. Wade Johnson via Houston wrote: > > >On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 06:34:22 -0600 >"B. Estrade via Houston" wrote: > >> I just happened to see this on HN. >> >> These slides use a Perl-heavy resume as an example and seem to have >> some very good tips. >> >> http://www.slideshare.net/perlcareers/how-to-write-a-developer-cvrsum-that-will-get-you-hired > >Thanks for posting this. > >I was really expecting this to be bad. As someone who has done >interviewing and hiring in the past, I've seen some really lousy resume >advice. > >Although this contradicts some of the professional resume advice I've >seen, I like its handling of programmer-specific resumes better. The >point about audience may be the most important point of all. > >G. Wade >-- >Results are what you wanted, consequences are what you got. > -- Michael VanDusen > >_______________________________________________ >Houston mailing list >Houston at pm.org >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston >Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > $ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gwadej at anomaly.org Wed Nov 12 20:29:45 2014 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 22:29:45 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] November meeting Message-ID: <20141112222945.0247236f@cygnus> Final reminder about the meeting Thursday night. We still have space if you would like to do a lightning talk. Let me know and I will add you to my list. Remember, it's only 5 minutes. G. Wade -- It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's Law. -- Hofstadter's Law From flbaker at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 13 15:09:35 2014 From: flbaker at sbcglobal.net (Fraser Baker) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 17:09:35 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] November meeting In-Reply-To: <20141112222945.0247236f@cygnus> References: <20141112222945.0247236f@cygnus> Message-ID: <2842F3FDCE7848599E3C9A88F2DA76EC@CHEETAH> I just finished an eye exam and the world is very blurry. I don't want to make the drive, especially at night. So, I have to pass. Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Houston [mailto:houston-bounces+flbaker=sbcglobal.net at pm.org] On Behalf Of G. Wade Johnson via Houston Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 10:30 PM To: Houston Perl Mongers Subject: [pm-h] November meeting Final reminder about the meeting Thursday night. We still have space if you would like to do a lightning talk. Let me know and I will add you to my list. Remember, it's only 5 minutes. G. Wade -- It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's Law. -- Hofstadter's Law _______________________________________________ Houston mailing list Houston at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston Website: http://houston.pm.org/ ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 4189/8058 - Release Date: 11/12/14 From estrabd at gmail.com Fri Nov 14 14:03:38 2014 From: estrabd at gmail.com (B. Estrade) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 16:03:38 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] document similarity demo script related to lightning talk Message-ID: First, I really enjoyed last night. I learned a lot of really cool things. If you think what you don't have to say is of no interest, think again :) Now, here is a more sophisticated method for determining the similarity between any 2 give documents. In the case of the script, I comparing a sampling of eBay item titles. It is taken directly out of Section 5.7 of Practical Text Mining With Perl. I just cleaned it up and modified it for my purposes. The result is a square matrix ( MxM given M documents) that relates all "documents" to the other, the final value is a measure of similarity for 1 (exact) to 0. https://github.com/estrabd/lightning-talks/tree/master/houston-pm-13-nov-2014-text-mining I forgot to mention last night that the method uses what is called a "bag of words" model - meaning that word order doesn't matter. Word order may be considered using "n-grams" - or strings of ordered words, and I imagine the the same method may apply - it just greatly increases the number of entries in each document vector. There's a lot to this book, so maybe I'll have something interesting the next time we do another round of these talks. Brett -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I assume you are talking about a web request? Advertisers (and some three letter agencies) would love this. You only have access to what's in the request (including headers) and any information needed for the TCP/IP communication itself. Without doing something interesting client side, you have: * IP address (possibly machine or NAT router) * Referrer header * User Agent string * Cookies that you have sent * Request parameters * The URL itself * Some other protocol details that are probably not useful People with more JavaScript experience might be able to suggest some cool JavaScript tricks to grab some kind of identifying information. I'm not really sure what use the Client's computer name would be, in the general case. Out on the wide internet, you cannot guarantee the computer name is unique or adheres to any particular scheme. Inside a given company or subset, the IP address might be good enough to identify a user. But, it's hard to know without a better understanding of your goal. This is why most login systems use Cookies to track the user. (I realize that you probably know at least some of this. But, some background might help to eliminate the obvious stuff you've already tried.) Anyone else have an idea for Fraser? G. Wade -- There will always be things we wish to say in our programs that in all known languages can only be said poorly. -- Alan Perlis From zaki.mughal at gmail.com Sat Nov 15 11:08:45 2014 From: zaki.mughal at gmail.com (Zakariyya Mughal) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 13:08:45 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] Client Computer Name In-Reply-To: <20141115130124.18749c96@cygnus> References: <20141115130124.18749c96@cygnus> Message-ID: <20141115190844.GF7172@quadra> On 2014-11-15 at 13:01:24 -0600, G. Wade Johnson via Houston wrote: > On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 12:18:22 -0600 > Fraser Baker via Houston wrote: > > > Hi Y'all: > > > > > > > > Is there a way to get the Client's computer name or any other > > identifying term? I can get the server's name, but that doesn't help > > me. I have searched for this, without avail. > > I assume you are talking about a web request? > > Advertisers (and some three letter agencies) would love this. You only > have access to what's in the request (including headers) and any > information needed for the TCP/IP communication itself. Without doing > something interesting client side, you have: > > * IP address (possibly machine or NAT router) > * Referrer header > * User Agent string > * Cookies that you have sent > * Request parameters > * The URL itself > * Some other protocol details that are probably not useful > > People with more JavaScript experience might be able to suggest some > cool JavaScript tricks to grab some kind of identifying information. > > I'm not really sure what use the Client's computer name would be, in > the general case. Out on the wide internet, you cannot guarantee the > computer name is unique or adheres to any particular scheme. > > Inside a given company or subset, the IP address might be good enough > to identify a user. But, it's hard to know without a better > understanding of your goal. > > This is why most login systems use Cookies to track the user. Interestingly enough, it is very possible to identify a unique browser without cookies. That's what the Panopticlick experiment tried to test. *dons tinfoil hat* Regards, - Zaki Mughal > > (I realize that you probably know at least some of this. But, some > background might help to eliminate the obvious stuff you've already > tried.) > > Anyone else have an idea for Fraser? > > G. Wade > -- > There will always be things we wish to say in our programs that in all > known languages can only be said poorly. -- Alan Perlis > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ From gwadej at anomaly.org Sat Nov 15 11:15:11 2014 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 13:15:11 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] Thursday's meeting Message-ID: <20141115131511.55885565@cygnus> I'll get a full write-up on the meeting on-line this weekend, but I thought I would give a quick summary and poll the group. Original lightning talk volunteers: 9 Volunteers who bailed on us: 2 Total lightning talks given: 9 1 person gave a second lightning talk off the cuff. 1 person volunteered to give a lightning talk with no prep. 7 of the 9 talks finished in less than 5 minutes. For those people who came, did you like this format? For those people who presented, would you do it again? A request was made afterward to allow the talks to run to 10 minutes rather than being limited to 5. What do you think? G. Wade -- Virtual is when it's not but it looks like it is and transparent is when it is but it looks like it isn't. -- Rick Hoselton From estrabd at gmail.com Sat Nov 15 12:07:00 2014 From: estrabd at gmail.com (B. Estrade) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 14:07:00 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] Client Computer Name In-Reply-To: <20141115190844.GF7172@quadra> References: <20141115130124.18749c96@cygnus> <20141115190844.GF7172@quadra> Message-ID: <0D9F6B5E-056A-49C2-B5BA-F157891423BE@gmail.com> Yes. There is a method that attempts to fingerprint a browser based on plugins installed and other available info. It's useful for wanting to make sure, e.g., that someone only rates something once. It's not 100% , but good enough for govt work. Brett Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 15, 2014, at 1:08 PM, Zakariyya Mughal via Houston wrote: > >> On 2014-11-15 at 13:01:24 -0600, G. Wade Johnson via Houston wrote: >> On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 12:18:22 -0600 >> Fraser Baker via Houston wrote: >> >>> Hi Y'all: >>> >>> >>> >>> Is there a way to get the Client's computer name or any other >>> identifying term? I can get the server's name, but that doesn't help >>> me. I have searched for this, without avail. >> >> I assume you are talking about a web request? >> >> Advertisers (and some three letter agencies) would love this. You only >> have access to what's in the request (including headers) and any >> information needed for the TCP/IP communication itself. Without doing >> something interesting client side, you have: >> >> * IP address (possibly machine or NAT router) >> * Referrer header >> * User Agent string >> * Cookies that you have sent >> * Request parameters >> * The URL itself >> * Some other protocol details that are probably not useful >> >> People with more JavaScript experience might be able to suggest some >> cool JavaScript tricks to grab some kind of identifying information. >> >> I'm not really sure what use the Client's computer name would be, in >> the general case. Out on the wide internet, you cannot guarantee the >> computer name is unique or adheres to any particular scheme. >> >> Inside a given company or subset, the IP address might be good enough >> to identify a user. But, it's hard to know without a better >> understanding of your goal. >> >> This is why most login systems use Cookies to track the user. > > Interestingly enough, it is very possible to identify a unique browser > without cookies. That's what the Panopticlick experiment > tried to test. *dons tinfoil hat* > > Regards, > - Zaki Mughal > >> >> (I realize that you probably know at least some of this. But, some >> background might help to eliminate the obvious stuff you've already >> tried.) >> >> Anyone else have an idea for Fraser? >> >> G. Wade >> -- >> There will always be things we wish to say in our programs that in all >> known languages can only be said poorly. -- Alan Perlis >> _______________________________________________ >> Houston mailing list >> Houston at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston >> Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ From julian at jlbprof.com Sat Nov 15 12:32:43 2014 From: julian at jlbprof.com (Julian Brown) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 14:32:43 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] Thursday's meeting In-Reply-To: <20141115131511.55885565@cygnus> References: <20141115131511.55885565@cygnus> Message-ID: >For those people who came, did you like this format? Yes >For those people who presented, would you do it again? Yes >A request was made afterward to allow the talks to run to 10 minutes >rather than being limited to 5. What do you think? I think reasonable grace should be given, while being cognizant of the number of presenters remaining. Julian On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 1:15 PM, G. Wade Johnson via Houston wrote: > I'll get a full write-up on the meeting on-line this weekend, but I > thought I would give a quick summary and poll the group. > > Original lightning talk volunteers: 9 > Volunteers who bailed on us: 2 > Total lightning talks given: 9 > > 1 person gave a second lightning talk off the cuff. > 1 person volunteered to give a lightning talk with no prep. > > 7 of the 9 talks finished in less than 5 minutes. > > For those people who came, did you like this format? > For those people who presented, would you do it again? > > A request was made afterward to allow the talks to run to 10 minutes > rather than being limited to 5. What do you think? > > G. Wade > -- > Virtual is when it's not but it looks like it is and transparent is > when it is but it looks like it isn't. -- Rick Hoselton > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gwadej at anomaly.org Sat Nov 15 12:53:48 2014 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 14:53:48 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] Client Computer Name In-Reply-To: <0D9F6B5E-056A-49C2-B5BA-F157891423BE@gmail.com> References: <20141115130124.18749c96@cygnus> <20141115190844.GF7172@quadra> <0D9F6B5E-056A-49C2-B5BA-F157891423BE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20141115145348.4299327c@cygnus> On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 14:07:00 -0600 "B. Estrade via Houston" wrote: > Yes. There is a method that attempts to fingerprint a browser based > on plugins installed and other available info. It's useful for > wanting to make sure, e.g., that someone only rates something once. > It's not 100% , but good enough for govt work. > Brett > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Nov 15, 2014, at 1:08 PM, Zakariyya Mughal via Houston > > wrote: > > > >> On 2014-11-15 at 13:01:24 -0600, G. Wade Johnson via Houston wrote: > >> On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 12:18:22 -0600 > >> Fraser Baker via Houston wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Y'all: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Is there a way to get the Client's computer name or any other > >>> identifying term? I can get the server's name, but that doesn't > >>> help me. I have searched for this, without avail. > >> > >> I assume you are talking about a web request? > >> > >> Advertisers (and some three letter agencies) would love this. You > >> only have access to what's in the request (including headers) and > >> any information needed for the TCP/IP communication itself. > >> Without doing something interesting client side, you have: > >> > >> * IP address (possibly machine or NAT router) > >> * Referrer header > >> * User Agent string > >> * Cookies that you have sent > >> * Request parameters > >> * The URL itself > >> * Some other protocol details that are probably not useful > >> > >> People with more JavaScript experience might be able to suggest > >> some cool JavaScript tricks to grab some kind of identifying > >> information. > >> > >> I'm not really sure what use the Client's computer name would be, > >> in the general case. Out on the wide internet, you cannot > >> guarantee the computer name is unique or adheres to any particular > >> scheme. > >> > >> Inside a given company or subset, the IP address might be good > >> enough to identify a user. But, it's hard to know without a better > >> understanding of your goal. > >> > >> This is why most login systems use Cookies to track the user. > > > > Interestingly enough, it is very possible to identify a unique > > browser without cookies. That's what the Panopticlick experiment > > tried to test. *dons tinfoil hat* > > > > Regards, > > - Zaki Mughal > > > >> > >> (I realize that you probably know at least some of this. But, some > >> background might help to eliminate the obvious stuff you've already > >> tried.) > >> > >> Anyone else have an idea for Fraser? > >> > >> G. Wade > >> -- > >> There will always be things we wish to say in our programs that in > >> all known languages can only be said poorly. -- Alan > >> Perlis _______________________________________________ > >> Houston mailing list > >> Houston at pm.org > >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > >> Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Houston mailing list > > Houston at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ -- Never express yourself more clearly than you think. -- Niels Bohr From john at nixnuts.net Sat Nov 15 13:00:33 2014 From: john at nixnuts.net (John Lightsey) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 15:00:33 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] Client Computer Name In-Reply-To: <20141115130124.18749c96@cygnus> References: <20141115130124.18749c96@cygnus> Message-ID: <1416085233.1844.2.camel@nixnuts.net> On Sat, 2014-11-15 at 13:01 -0600, G. Wade Johnson via Houston wrote: > On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 12:18:22 -0600 > Fraser Baker via Houston wrote: > > > Hi Y'all: > > > > Is there a way to get the Client's computer name or any other > > identifying term? I can get the server's name, but that doesn't help > > me. I have searched for this, without avail. > > I assume you are talking about a web request? > ... > Anyone else have an idea for Fraser? The question is difficult to answer without more detail. Software is client side: - Sys::Hostname Software is server side and client is a willing participant: - cookies without any registration process - registration + email confirmation + login/cookies/api-tokens/etc Software is server side and client is malicious or unwilling to provide information: - use the IP address instead of the hostname - browser fingerprinting (Browser::FingerPrint) - reverse DNS lookup (gethostbyaddr() or Net::DNS) - shodan (WWW::Shodan::API) - nmap, particularly the NSE scripts (Nmap::Parser) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have searched for this, without avail. >> >> I assume you are talking about a web request? >> > > ... > >> Anyone else have an idea for Fraser? > > The question is difficult to answer without more detail. > > Software is client side: > - Sys::Hostname > > Software is server side and client is a willing participant: > - cookies without any registration process > - registration + email confirmation + login/cookies/api-tokens/etc > > Software is server side and client is malicious or unwilling to provide > information: > - use the IP address instead of the hostname > - browser fingerprinting (Browser::FingerPrint) > - reverse DNS lookup (gethostbyaddr() or Net::DNS) > - shodan (WWW::Shodan::API) > - nmap, particularly the NSE scripts (Nmap::Parser) > > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ From todd at rinaldo.us Sat Nov 15 13:50:07 2014 From: todd at rinaldo.us (Todd Rinaldo) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 15:50:07 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] Thursday's meeting In-Reply-To: <20141115131511.55885565@cygnus> References: <20141115131511.55885565@cygnus> Message-ID: On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 1:15 PM, G. Wade Johnson via Houston wrote: > For those people who came, did you like this format? Yep. worked out good. Gives a something for everyone. Sometimes just one talk isn't interesting to everyone. > For those people who presented, would you do it again? > Sure. > A request was made afterward to allow the talks to run to 10 minutes > rather than being limited to 5. What do you think? The hard cutoff is entertaining but given some of us probably had limited time to prep, I think extending to 10 minutes might be a better idea. 5 mins is way harder than 30 mins for me to prep a talk. Todd From gwadej at anomaly.org Sun Nov 16 13:12:33 2014 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 15:12:33 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] Slides for Thursday's lightning talks Message-ID: <20141116151233.0d0f36fc@cygnus> If you gave a lightning talk on Thursday and would like your slides to be available, please email them to me. (Three people already have. Thank you.) I'm trying to do a reasonable write-up and would like to put the slides up as well. Thanks, G. Wade -- They made a very satisfying thump when they hit the floor. -- G'Kar - "A Late Delivery from Avalon" From julian at jlbprof.com Sun Nov 16 16:00:15 2014 From: julian at jlbprof.com (Julian Brown) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 18:00:15 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] Slides for Thursday's lightning talks In-Reply-To: <20141116151233.0d0f36fc@cygnus> References: <20141116151233.0d0f36fc@cygnus> Message-ID: I built mine in the mac power point app, but they were only text anyway so I will get them out tomorrow and send them to you. Julian On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 3:12 PM, G. Wade Johnson via Houston wrote: > If you gave a lightning talk on Thursday and would like your slides to > be available, please email them to me. (Three people already have. > Thank you.) > > I'm trying to do a reasonable write-up and would like to put the slides > up as well. > > Thanks, > G. Wade > -- > They made a very satisfying thump when they hit the floor. > -- G'Kar - "A Late Delivery from Avalon" > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gwadej at anomaly.org Sun Nov 16 17:07:49 2014 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 19:07:49 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] Slides for Thursday's lightning talks In-Reply-To: References: <20141116151233.0d0f36fc@cygnus> Message-ID: <20141116190749.53af0f5d@cygnus> On Sun, 16 Nov 2014 18:00:15 -0600 Julian Brown via Houston wrote: > I built mine in the mac power point app, but they were only text > anyway so I will get them out tomorrow and send them to you. I'll keep an eye out. Thanks. > Julian > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 3:12 PM, G. Wade Johnson via Houston > > wrote: > > > If you gave a lightning talk on Thursday and would like your slides > > to be available, please email them to me. (Three people already > > have. Thank you.) > > > > I'm trying to do a reasonable write-up and would like to put the > > slides up as well. > > > > Thanks, > > G. Wade > > -- > > They made a very satisfying thump when they hit the floor. > > -- G'Kar - "A Late Delivery from Avalon" > > _______________________________________________ > > Houston mailing list > > Houston at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > > -- If you don't know where you're going, you will probably end up somewhere else. -- Laurence J. Peter From boftx at hotmail.com Sun Nov 16 17:21:08 2014 From: boftx at hotmail.com (Jim Bacon) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 17:21:08 -0800 Subject: [pm-h] Slides for Thursday's lightning talks In-Reply-To: <20141116190749.53af0f5d@cygnus> References: <20141116151233.0d0f36fc@cygnus> <20141116190749.53af0f5d@cygnus> Message-ID: Mine was straight off-the-cuff so no slides or even notes, unless you want to find where I use ?handles" in Games::Dukedom to delegate Throwable. Jim On Nov 16, 2014, at 5:07 PM, G. Wade Johnson via Houston wrote: > On Sun, 16 Nov 2014 18:00:15 -0600 > Julian Brown via Houston wrote: > >> I built mine in the mac power point app, but they were only text >> anyway so I will get them out tomorrow and send them to you. > > I'll keep an eye out. > > Thanks. > >> Julian >> >> On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 3:12 PM, G. Wade Johnson via Houston >> >> wrote: >> >>> If you gave a lightning talk on Thursday and would like your slides >>> to be available, please email them to me. (Three people already >>> have. Thank you.) >>> >>> I'm trying to do a reasonable write-up and would like to put the >>> slides up as well. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> G. Wade >>> -- >>> They made a very satisfying thump when they hit the floor. >>> -- G'Kar - "A Late Delivery from Avalon" >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Houston mailing list >>> Houston at pm.org >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston >>> Website: http://houston.pm.org/ >>> > > > -- > If you don't know where you're going, you will probably end up somewhere > else. -- Laurence J. Peter > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Any thoughts? use Tk; my $main=MainWindow->new(); my $quit=$main->Button(-text=>"Exit",-command=>sub {$main->destroy})->pack(); $main->resizable(0,0); $main->protocol('WM_DELETE_WINDOW',sub{return;}); $main->bind('',sub{$main->deiconify}); $main->overrideredirect(1); Fraser -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From flbaker at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 17 14:18:52 2014 From: flbaker at sbcglobal.net (Fraser Baker) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 16:18:52 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] Disabling the Close Window X Message-ID: Hi: Getting the Client Computer Name or any other identifying feature is difficult. The Fingerprint idea may be defeated by updating a browser plugin. I am now working to control my Event Notification page using links in the page, but this can be defeated if the user closes the page using the Close Window X. I am able to trap this action using Javascript but can't get it to do what I need. It appears that Perl can redraw the title bar without the X. I have tried a couple of examples but can't get this to work either. The shortest code is below. This is inserted into my page at the beginning. Any thoughts? use Tk; my $main=MainWindow->new(); my $quit=$main->Button(-text=>"Exit",-command=>sub {$main->destroy})->pack(); $main->resizable(0,0); $main->protocol('WM_DELETE_WINDOW',sub{return;}); $main->bind('',sub{$main->deiconify}); $main->overrideredirect(1); Fraser -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gwadej at anomaly.org Tue Nov 18 19:50:11 2014 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 21:50:11 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] Write-up for November is now on-line Message-ID: <20141118215011.17a94bbf@cygnus> The write-up for the latest meeting is on-line at http://houston.pm.org/talks/2014talks/1411Talk/index.html. I've included slides and/or materials for any talks that I have. (If you have slides that you would like me to add, just send them my way.) G. Wade -- When they first built the University of California at Irvine they just put the buildings in. They did not put any sidewalks, they just planted grass. The next year, they came back and put the sidewalks where the trails were in the grass. Perl is just that kind of language. It is not designed from first principles. Perl is those sidewalks in the grass. -- Larry Wall From mev412 at gmail.com Tue Nov 18 21:45:21 2014 From: mev412 at gmail.com (Mev412) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 23:45:21 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] Thursday's meeting In-Reply-To: References: <20141115131511.55885565@cygnus> Message-ID: Really enjoyed the lightning talks. Some benefits I see, -Wider variety of topics. Some topics may be difficult to stretch as a full presentation, but just about ANYTHING can be talked about for 5 minutes. -Wider variety of presenters. Some people may have difficulty putting together a long presentation or simply do not have the time to. Lightning talks require little to no preparation. It's also less daunting for an inexperienced presenter. This opens the doors to new presenters where they can build up experience. I don't see an issue with 10 min. talks. Info from my presentation Code: https://github.com/despertargz/demo-tailrecursion Slides: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Ab6Z_ttUMwpobPgb1AZooco4w8TyoP2i0cmcvVDmI2Q/pub?start=true&loop=false&delayms=60000&slide=id.g4b6c40694_11 Best Regards, Christopher Mevissen On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Todd Rinaldo via Houston wrote: > On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 1:15 PM, G. Wade Johnson via Houston > wrote: > > For those people who came, did you like this format? > Yep. worked out good. Gives a something for everyone. Sometimes just > one talk isn't interesting to everyone. > > > For those people who presented, would you do it again? > > > Sure. > > > A request was made afterward to allow the talks to run to 10 minutes > > rather than being limited to 5. What do you think? > The hard cutoff is entertaining but given some of us probably had > limited time to prep, I think extending to 10 minutes might be a > better idea. 5 mins is way harder than 30 mins for me to prep a talk. > > Todd > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Some topics may be difficult to stretch as > a full presentation, but just about ANYTHING can be talked about for > 5 minutes. -Wider variety of presenters. Some people may have > difficulty putting together a long presentation or simply do not have > the time to. Lightning talks require little to no preparation. It's > also less daunting for an inexperienced presenter. This opens the > doors to new presenters where they can build up experience. Thanks for the input. > I don't see an issue with 10 min. talks. > > Info from my presentation > > Code: https://github.com/despertargz/demo-tailrecursion > Slides: > https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Ab6Z_ttUMwpobPgb1AZooco4w8TyoP2i0cmcvVDmI2Q/pub?start=true&loop=false&delayms=60000&slide=id.g4b6c40694_11 > > Best Regards, > Christopher Mevissen > > On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Todd Rinaldo via Houston > wrote: > > > On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 1:15 PM, G. Wade Johnson via Houston > > wrote: > > > For those people who came, did you like this format? > > Yep. worked out good. Gives a something for everyone. Sometimes just > > one talk isn't interesting to everyone. > > > > > For those people who presented, would you do it again? > > > > > Sure. > > > > > A request was made afterward to allow the talks to run to 10 > > > minutes rather than being limited to 5. What do you think? > > The hard cutoff is entertaining but given some of us probably had > > limited time to prep, I think extending to 10 minutes might be a > > better idea. 5 mins is way harder than 30 mins for me to prep a > > talk. > > > > Todd > > _______________________________________________ > > Houston mailing list > > Houston at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > > -- Machines take me by surprise with great frequency. -- Alan Turing From gwadej at anomaly.org Thu Nov 20 05:06:10 2014 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 07:06:10 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] December meeting Message-ID: <20141120070610.392792f2@cygnus> It's time to start thinking about December's meeting. In recent years, we've usually done a social meeting for December, because people weren't up for building a presentation between Thanksgiving and Christmas. Do you want a social meeting or a technical meeting? If technical meeting, does anyone want to present? Don't forget about the topics list at: https://github.com/estrabd/houston-pm-topics-list Looking forward to hearing from everyone. G. Wade -- Virtual is when it's not but it looks like it is and transparent is when it is but it looks like it isn't. -- Rick Hoselton From julian at jlbprof.com Thu Nov 20 06:16:29 2014 From: julian at jlbprof.com (Julian Brown) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 08:16:29 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] December meeting In-Reply-To: <20141120070610.392792f2@cygnus> References: <20141120070610.392792f2@cygnus> Message-ID: I would like the social meeting. I am not aware of our options for bar and grills in the area. Hopefully someone is more up on that. Julian On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 7:06 AM, G. Wade Johnson via Houston wrote: > It's time to start thinking about December's meeting. > > In recent years, we've usually done a social meeting for December, > because people weren't up for building a presentation between > Thanksgiving and Christmas. > > Do you want a social meeting or a technical meeting? > > If technical meeting, does anyone want to present? > > Don't forget about the topics list at: > https://github.com/estrabd/houston-pm-topics-list > > Looking forward to hearing from everyone. > G. Wade > -- > Virtual is when it's not but it looks like it is and transparent is > when it is but it looks like it isn't. -- Rick Hoselton > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From estrabd at gmail.com Thu Nov 20 06:42:53 2014 From: estrabd at gmail.com (B. Estrade) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 08:42:53 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] December meeting In-Reply-To: <20141120070610.392792f2@cygnus> References: <20141120070610.392792f2@cygnus> Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 7:06 AM, G. Wade Johnson via Houston wrote: > It's time to start thinking about December's meeting. > > In recent years, we've usually done a social meeting for December, > because people weren't up for building a presentation between > Thanksgiving and Christmas. > > Do you want a social meeting or a technical meeting? > Chances are I can't make it, so I don't have an opinion. > If technical meeting, does anyone want to present? > > Don't forget about the topics list at: > https://github.com/estrabd/houston-pm-topics-list Thanks for the mention! I updated the list with the last 2 meetings. New topics in the ideas list are always welcome. If you're not comfortable with git, email your ideas to me offline and I'll add them for you. Brett > > > Looking forward to hearing from everyone. > G. Wade > -- > Virtual is when it's not but it looks like it is and transparent is > when it is but it looks like it isn't. -- Rick Hoselton > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gwadej at anomaly.org Thu Nov 20 07:19:22 2014 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 09:19:22 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] December meeting In-Reply-To: <20141120070610.392792f2@cygnus> References: <20141120070610.392792f2@cygnus> Message-ID: <20141120091922.0edaa3f2@cygnus> On Thu, 20 Nov 2014 07:06:10 -0600 "G. Wade Johnson via Houston" wrote: > It's time to start thinking about December's meeting. > > In recent years, we've usually done a social meeting for December, > because people weren't up for building a presentation between > Thanksgiving and Christmas. > > Do you want a social meeting or a technical meeting? If people want a social meeting, we should also get suggestions on places to meet. A new location could be fun. Since this would normally be a Hostgator month, maybe some Hostgator people could make suggestions? G. Wade -- Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint. -- Mark Twain From todd at rinaldo.us Thu Nov 20 20:29:39 2014 From: todd at rinaldo.us (Todd Rinaldo) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 22:29:39 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] Fwd: [pm_groups] YAPC::NA::2015: Salt Lake City: June 8-10, 2015 In-Reply-To: <546E98E8.3010404@verizon.net> References: <546E98E8.3010404@verizon.net> Message-ID: Forwarding. They've got a blog post about the hotel too already. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: James E Keenan Date: Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 7:44 PM Subject: [pm_groups] YAPC::NA::2015: Salt Lake City: June 8-10, 2015 To: ny at lists.pm.org, TPM , pm_groups at pm.org The YAPC::NA::2015 web site is now live! http://www.yapcna.org/yn2015/ As is the blog. Meet the Salt Lake local organizing team: http://blog.yapcna.org/2014/11/19/introducing-the-salt-lake-local-team/ -- Request pm.org Technical Support via support at pm.org pm_groups mailing list pm_groups at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pm_groups -- Todd Rinaldo todd at rinaldo.us From mrallen1 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 21 07:39:30 2014 From: mrallen1 at yahoo.com (Mark Allen) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 15:39:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [pm-h] Fwd: [pm_groups] YAPC::NA::2015: Salt Lake City: June 8-10, 2015 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1593937495.3657667.1416584370218.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10620.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Already reserved my room :) On Thursday, November 20, 2014 10:29 PM, Todd Rinaldo via Houston wrote: Forwarding. They've got a blog post about the hotel too already. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: James E Keenan Date: Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 7:44 PM Subject: [pm_groups] YAPC::NA::2015: Salt Lake City: June 8-10, 2015 To: ny at lists.pm.org, TPM , pm_groups at pm.org The YAPC::NA::2015 web site is now live! http://www.yapcna.org/yn2015/ As is the blog.? Meet the Salt Lake local organizing team: http://blog.yapcna.org/2014/11/19/introducing-the-salt-lake-local-team/ -- Request pm.org Technical Support via support at pm.org pm_groups mailing list pm_groups at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pm_groups -- Todd Rinaldo todd at rinaldo.us _______________________________________________ Houston mailing list Houston at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston Website: http://houston.pm.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrdvt92 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 20:17:43 2014 From: mrdvt92 at yahoo.com (Michael R. Davis) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 04:17:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [pm-h] Power::Outlet In-Reply-To: <1410191984.11219.YahooMailNeo@web121001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1410191984.11219.YahooMailNeo@web121001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1241464521.2652161.1416716263279.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100137.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Perl Mongers,?> or something fancier if you have a daytime/nighttime script> 0-59/10 * * *?* is_nighttime && power-outlet iBoot?ON? host mylamp> 5-59/10 * * *?* is_daytime?? && power-outlet iBoot?OFF? host mylamp?I'm finally putting plan to code and I ran into an issue that there does not appear to be a standard for the location of a system.? In order to calculate the sunset and sunrise for my is_nighttime/is_daytime scripts, I need to know the?location of the host.? Please let me know if you know of any system location standards for something that I feel should be ubiquitous.?For now, I'm planning to add a file to /etc/profiles.d to add this environment variable for the users on my server.?my ($lon, $lat, $hae) = split(/\s/, $ENV{"LOCATION_COORDINATES_WGS84_LON_LAT_HAE"}||"");?It might be nice to populate it from data stored in a /etc/local.coordinates file or something.? >From my perspective, knowing your location is as important as knowing your time zone (e.g. /etc/localtime)?/etc/local.coordinates[main]version=1crs=wgs84latitude=38.896783longitude=-77.036509hae=30address=1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC?Any comments?Thanks,Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Davis via Houston < houston at pm.org> wrote: > Perl Mongers, > > > or something fancier if you have a daytime/nighttime script > > 0-59/10 * * * * is_nighttime && power-outlet iBoot ON host mylamp > > 5-59/10 * * * * is_daytime && power-outlet iBoot OFF host mylamp > > I'm finally putting plan to code and I ran into an issue that there does > not appear to be a standard for the location of a system. In order to > calculate the sunset and sunrise for my is_nighttime/is_daytime scripts, I > need to know the location of the host. Please let me know if you know of > any system location standards for something that I feel should be > ubiquitous. > > For now, I'm planning to add a file to /etc/profiles.d to add this > environment variable for the users on my server. > > my ($lon, $lat, $hae) = split(/\s/, > $ENV{"LOCATION_COORDINATES_WGS84_LON_LAT_HAE"}||""); > > It might be nice to populate it from data stored in a > /etc/local.coordinates file or something. From my perspective, knowing > your location is as important as knowing your time zone (e.g. > /etc/localtime) > > /etc/local.coordinates > [main] > version=1 > crs=wgs84 > latitude=38.896783 > longitude=-77.036509 > hae=30 > address=1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC > > Any comments? > Thanks, > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mike More reading: http://whatismyipaddress.com/geolocation-accuracy http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/04/getting-warmer-an-ip-address-can-map-you-within-half-a-mile/ On 11/22/2014 11:28 PM, Julian Brown via Houston wrote: > You can get approximate lat and long if you know the zip code. > > Their is a free download of zip codes with lat and long database on > the inter tubes. > > Julian > > On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 10:17 PM, Michael R. Davis via Houston > > wrote: > > Perl Mongers, > > or something fancier if you have a daytime/nighttime script > > 0-59/10 * * * * is_nighttime && power-outlet iBoot ON host mylamp > > 5-59/10 * * * * is_daytime && power-outlet iBoot OFF host mylamp > I'm finally putting plan to code and I ran into an issue that > there does not appear to be a standard for the location of a > system. In order to calculate the sunset and sunrise for my > is_nighttime/is_daytime scripts, I need to know the location of > the host. Please let me know if you know of any system location > standards for something that I feel should be ubiquitous. > For now, I'm planning to add a file to /etc/profiles.d to add this > environment variable for the users on my server. > my ($lon, $lat, $hae) = split(/\s/, > $ENV{"LOCATION_COORDINATES_WGS84_LON_LAT_HAE"}||""); > It might be nice to populate it from data stored in a > /etc/local.coordinates file or something. From my perspective, > knowing your location is as important as knowing your time zone > (e.g. /etc/localtime) > /etc/local.coordinates > [main] > version=1 > crs=wgs84 > latitude=38.896783 > longitude=-77.036509 > hae=30 > address=1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC > Any comments? > Thanks, > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrdvt92 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 25 06:28:26 2014 From: mrdvt92 at yahoo.com (Michael R. Davis) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 14:28:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [pm-h] Power::Outlet In-Reply-To: <5471DD78.4020809@att.net> References: <5471DD78.4020809@att.net> Message-ID: <236539816.481226.1416925706677.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100196.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Perl Folks,?>> I'm finally putting plan to code and I ran into an issue that there does not appear to be a standard for the location of a system.? >> In order to calculate the sunset and sunrise for my is_nighttime/is_daytime scripts, I need to know the location of the host.? >> Please let me know if you know of any system location standards for something that I feel should be ubiquitous.?> From: Mike Flannigan via Houston houston at pm.org > As far as I know, there is no other way for a computer > to know where it is located, except for it's IP address.?Well now there is!? I put a package together called Geo::Local::Server http://search.cpan.org/perldoc?Geo%3A%3ALocal%3A%3AServer.It implements two different standards to configure the location of the local server.? One is via an environment variable and one is via the file in /etc/local.coordinates.? It should support Windows platforms too.Check it out.? I've added the is_nighttime/is_daytime scripts that I needed to the distro too.?Now, I guess, I should to turn this into an RFC somehow.? Anyone ever done that??Comments welcome.Thanks, Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrdvt92 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 25 06:28:26 2014 From: mrdvt92 at yahoo.com (Michael R. Davis) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 14:28:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [pm-h] Power::Outlet In-Reply-To: <5471DD78.4020809@att.net> References: <5471DD78.4020809@att.net> Message-ID: <236539816.481226.1416925706677.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100196.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Perl Folks,?>> I'm finally putting plan to code and I ran into an issue that there does not appear to be a standard for the location of a system.? >> In order to calculate the sunset and sunrise for my is_nighttime/is_daytime scripts, I need to know the location of the host.? >> Please let me know if you know of any system location standards for something that I feel should be ubiquitous.?> From: Mike Flannigan via Houston houston at pm.org > As far as I know, there is no other way for a computer > to know where it is located, except for it's IP address.?Well now there is!? I put a package together called Geo::Local::Server http://search.cpan.org/perldoc?Geo%3A%3ALocal%3A%3AServer.It implements two different standards to configure the location of the local server.? One is via an environment variable and one is via the file in /etc/local.coordinates.? It should support Windows platforms too.Check it out.? I've added the is_nighttime/is_daytime scripts that I needed to the distro too.?Now, I guess, I should to turn this into an RFC somehow.? Anyone ever done that??Comments welcome.Thanks, Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gwadej at anomaly.org Tue Nov 25 06:48:24 2014 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 08:48:24 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] December Houston.pm meeting Message-ID: <20141125084824.171b520a@cygnus> I still haven't heard any suggestions or opinions for the December meeting (12/11). * Technical meeting at Hostgator * Social meeting G. Wade -- No, no, you're not thinking, you're just being logical. -- Neils Bohr From flbaker at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 25 07:08:43 2014 From: flbaker at sbcglobal.net (Fraser Baker) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 09:08:43 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] December Houston.pm meeting In-Reply-To: <20141125084824.171b520a@cygnus> References: <20141125084824.171b520a@cygnus> Message-ID: <1A82196144734B6F95DA5FDD8D1AA186@CHEETAH> Hi Wade: Social meeting is good. Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Houston [mailto:houston-bounces+flbaker=sbcglobal.net at pm.org] On Behalf Of G. Wade Johnson via Houston Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 8:48 AM To: Houston Perl Mongers Subject: [pm-h] December Houston.pm meeting I still haven't heard any suggestions or opinions for the December meeting (12/11). * Technical meeting at Hostgator * Social meeting G. Wade -- No, no, you're not thinking, you're just being logical. -- Neils Bohr _______________________________________________ Houston mailing list Houston at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston Website: http://houston.pm.org/ ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 4189/8119 - Release Date: 11/24/14 From julian at jlbprof.com Tue Nov 25 08:16:38 2014 From: julian at jlbprof.com (Julian Brown) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:16:38 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] December Houston.pm meeting In-Reply-To: <1A82196144734B6F95DA5FDD8D1AA186@CHEETAH> References: <20141125084824.171b520a@cygnus> <1A82196144734B6F95DA5FDD8D1AA186@CHEETAH> Message-ID: I agree social meeting. Julian On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Fraser Baker via Houston wrote: > Hi Wade: > > Social meeting is good. > > Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: Houston [mailto:houston-bounces+flbaker=sbcglobal.net at pm.org] On > Behalf Of G. Wade Johnson via Houston > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 8:48 AM > To: Houston Perl Mongers > Subject: [pm-h] December Houston.pm meeting > > I still haven't heard any suggestions or opinions for the December > meeting (12/11). > > * Technical meeting at Hostgator > * Social meeting > > G. Wade > -- > No, no, you're not thinking, you're just being logical. > -- Neils Bohr > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 4189/8119 - Release Date: 11/24/14 > > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gwadej at anomaly.org Tue Nov 25 09:37:55 2014 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 11:37:55 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] December Houston.pm meeting In-Reply-To: References: <20141125084824.171b520a@cygnus> <1A82196144734B6F95DA5FDD8D1AA186@CHEETAH> Message-ID: <20141125113755.4e7d2ece@cygnus> Okay, that's a couple of votes for a social meeting. Any opinions on where? On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:16:38 -0600 Julian Brown via Houston wrote: > I agree social meeting. > > Julian > > On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Fraser Baker via Houston > wrote: > > > Hi Wade: > > > > Social meeting is good. > > > > Fraser > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Houston [mailto:houston-bounces+flbaker=sbcglobal.net at pm.org] > > On Behalf Of G. Wade Johnson via Houston > > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 8:48 AM > > To: Houston Perl Mongers > > Subject: [pm-h] December Houston.pm meeting > > > > I still haven't heard any suggestions or opinions for the December > > meeting (12/11). > > > > * Technical meeting at Hostgator > > * Social meeting > > > > G. Wade > > -- > > No, no, you're not thinking, you're just being logical. > > -- Neils Bohr > > _______________________________________________ > > Houston mailing list > > Houston at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 4189/8119 - Release Date: > > 11/24/14 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Houston mailing list > > Houston at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > > -- I have this feeling, that my luck is none too good. -- "Black Blade", Blue Oyster Cult From flbaker at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 25 10:17:00 2014 From: flbaker at sbcglobal.net (Fraser Baker) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 12:17:00 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] December Houston.pm meeting In-Reply-To: <20141125113755.4e7d2ece@cygnus> References: <20141125084824.171b520a@cygnus><1A82196144734B6F95DA5FDD8D1AA186@CHEETAH> <20141125113755.4e7d2ece@cygnus> Message-ID: Of the places I have been with you, the Black Lab is the most accommodating. Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Houston [mailto:houston-bounces+flbaker=sbcglobal.net at pm.org] On Behalf Of G. Wade Johnson via Houston Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 11:38 AM To: houston at pm.org Subject: Re: [pm-h] December Houston.pm meeting Okay, that's a couple of votes for a social meeting. Any opinions on where? On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:16:38 -0600 Julian Brown via Houston wrote: > I agree social meeting. > > Julian > > On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Fraser Baker via Houston > wrote: > > > Hi Wade: > > > > Social meeting is good. > > > > Fraser > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Houston [mailto:houston-bounces+flbaker=sbcglobal.net at pm.org] > > On Behalf Of G. Wade Johnson via Houston > > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 8:48 AM > > To: Houston Perl Mongers > > Subject: [pm-h] December Houston.pm meeting > > > > I still haven't heard any suggestions or opinions for the December > > meeting (12/11). > > > > * Technical meeting at Hostgator > > * Social meeting > > > > G. Wade > > -- > > No, no, you're not thinking, you're just being logical. > > -- Neils Bohr > > _______________________________________________ > > Houston mailing list > > Houston at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 4189/8119 - Release Date: > > 11/24/14 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Houston mailing list > > Houston at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > > -- I have this feeling, that my luck is none too good. -- "Black Blade", Blue Oyster Cult _______________________________________________ Houston mailing list Houston at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston Website: http://houston.pm.org/ ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 4189/8126 - Release Date: 11/25/14 From cblanc at dionysius.com Tue Nov 25 13:45:34 2014 From: cblanc at dionysius.com (Chris Blanc) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 15:45:34 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] December Houston.pm meeting In-Reply-To: References: <20141125084824.171b520a@cygnus> <1A82196144734B6F95DA5FDD8D1AA186@CHEETAH> <20141125113755.4e7d2ece@cygnus> Message-ID: There's also a nearby late-night-ish coffee joint worth attending: http://siphoncoffeehouston.com/ On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Fraser Baker via Houston wrote: > Of the places I have been with you, the Black Lab is the most accommodating. > > Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: Houston [mailto:houston-bounces+flbaker=sbcglobal.net at pm.org] On > Behalf Of G. Wade Johnson via Houston > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 11:38 AM > To: houston at pm.org > Subject: Re: [pm-h] December Houston.pm meeting > > Okay, that's a couple of votes for a social meeting. Any opinions on > where? > > On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:16:38 -0600 > Julian Brown via Houston wrote: > >> I agree social meeting. >> >> Julian >> >> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Fraser Baker via Houston >> wrote: >> >> > Hi Wade: >> > >> > Social meeting is good. >> > >> > Fraser >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Houston [mailto:houston-bounces+flbaker=sbcglobal.net at pm.org] >> > On Behalf Of G. Wade Johnson via Houston >> > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 8:48 AM >> > To: Houston Perl Mongers >> > Subject: [pm-h] December Houston.pm meeting >> > >> > I still haven't heard any suggestions or opinions for the December >> > meeting (12/11). >> > >> > * Technical meeting at Hostgator >> > * Social meeting >> > >> > G. Wade >> > -- >> > No, no, you're not thinking, you're just being logical. >> > -- Neils Bohr >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Houston mailing list >> > Houston at pm.org >> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston >> > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ >> > ----- >> > No virus found in this message. >> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 4189/8119 - Release Date: >> > 11/24/14 >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Houston mailing list >> > Houston at pm.org >> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston >> > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ >> > > > > -- > I have this feeling, that my luck is none too good. > -- "Black Blade", Blue Oyster Cult > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 4189/8126 - Release Date: 11/25/14 > > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ -- http://www.dionysius.com/ From mikeflan at att.net Tue Nov 25 15:44:41 2014 From: mikeflan at att.net (Mike Flannigan) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 17:44:41 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] Power::Outlet In-Reply-To: <236539816.481226.1416925706677.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100196.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <5471DD78.4020809@att.net> <236539816.481226.1416925706677.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100196.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54751469.3010107@att.net> It doesn't work on my Win7 machine. It gives: Error: None of the following supported coordinate standards are configured. - Environment variable COORDINATES_WGS84_LON_LAT_HAE - Filesystem /etc/local.coordiantes file at C:/Perl64/site/lib/Geo/Local/Server.pm line 98. Let me know how well it works on you box. Mike On 11/25/2014 8:28 AM, Michael R. Davis wrote: > Perl Folks, > >> I'm finally putting plan to code and I ran into an issue that there > does not appear to be a standard for the location of a system. > >> In order to calculate the sunset and sunrise for my > is_nighttime/is_daytime scripts, I need to know the location of the host. > >> Please let me know if you know of any system location standards for > something that I feel should be ubiquitous. > > From: Mike Flannigan via Houston houston at pm.org > > As far as I know, there is no other way for a computer > > to know where it is located, except for it's IP address. > Well now there is! I put a package together called Geo::Local::Server > http://search.cpan.org/perldoc?Geo%3A%3ALocal%3A%3AServer. > It implements two different standards to configure the location of the > local server. One is via an environment variable and one is via the > file in /etc/local.coordinates. It should support Windows platforms too. > Check it out. I've added the is_nighttime/is_daytime scripts that I > needed to the distro too. > Now, I guess, I should to turn this into an RFC somehow. Anyone ever > done that? > Comments welcome. > Thanks, > Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gwadej at anomaly.org Sat Nov 29 09:01:41 2014 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 11:01:41 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] December Houston.pm meeting In-Reply-To: References: <20141125084824.171b520a@cygnus> <1A82196144734B6F95DA5FDD8D1AA186@CHEETAH> <20141125113755.4e7d2ece@cygnus> Message-ID: <20141129110141.7ff71f2a@cygnus> On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 15:45:34 -0600 Chris Blanc via Houston wrote: > There's also a nearby late-night-ish coffee joint worth attending: > > http://siphoncoffeehouston.com/ I checked out the Siphon Coffee House. It seems like a pretty interesting place. Unfortunately, like a lot of places it would be great for 4-5 people, but it would be really hard for 10. Since I never know whether we are going to have 4-5 or 10-15, picking places can be interesting. G. Wade > On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Fraser Baker via Houston > wrote: > > Of the places I have been with you, the Black Lab is the most > > accommodating. > > > > Fraser > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Houston [mailto:houston-bounces+flbaker=sbcglobal.net at pm.org] > > On Behalf Of G. Wade Johnson via Houston > > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 11:38 AM > > To: houston at pm.org > > Subject: Re: [pm-h] December Houston.pm meeting > > > > Okay, that's a couple of votes for a social meeting. Any opinions on > > where? > > > > On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:16:38 -0600 > > Julian Brown via Houston wrote: > > > >> I agree social meeting. > >> > >> Julian > >> > >> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Fraser Baker via Houston > >> wrote: > >> > >> > Hi Wade: > >> > > >> > Social meeting is good. > >> > > >> > Fraser > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Houston > >> > [mailto:houston-bounces+flbaker=sbcglobal.net at pm.org] On Behalf > >> > Of G. Wade Johnson via Houston Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 > >> > 8:48 AM To: Houston Perl Mongers > >> > Subject: [pm-h] December Houston.pm meeting > >> > > >> > I still haven't heard any suggestions or opinions for the > >> > December meeting (12/11). > >> > > >> > * Technical meeting at Hostgator > >> > * Social meeting > >> > > >> > G. Wade > >> > -- > >> > No, no, you're not thinking, you're just being logical. > >> > -- Neils > >> > Bohr _______________________________________________ > >> > Houston mailing list > >> > Houston at pm.org > >> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > >> > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > >> > ----- > >> > No virus found in this message. > >> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >> > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 4189/8119 - Release Date: > >> > 11/24/14 > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Houston mailing list > >> > Houston at pm.org > >> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > >> > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > >> > > > > > > > -- > > I have this feeling, that my luck is none too good. > > -- "Black Blade", Blue Oyster Cult > > _______________________________________________ > > Houston mailing list > > Houston at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 4189/8126 - Release Date: > > 11/25/14 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Houston mailing list > > Houston at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > > > -- "And so it begins" -- Ambassador Kosh From gwadej at anomaly.org Sat Nov 29 09:12:35 2014 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 11:12:35 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] December Houston.pm Social meeting Message-ID: <20141129111235.29d114a0@cygnus> So, it looks like we'll do a social meeting for December (12/11). If you have an idea of where we can meet, hit the mailing list or email me directory. Some of the things I have found we need to keep in mind are: * Parking * Food/snacking * Alcohol, coffee, or something * Back room, large tables, or group tables/booths * Ability make reservations * Not so loud that we can't talk Since we can have anywhere from 5 to 15 people coming at a time, I normally need to think about it. Small intimate places don't work out well. G. Wade -- If you don't know where you're going, you will probably end up somewhere else. -- Laurence J. Peter From mrdvt92 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 29 20:25:12 2014 From: mrdvt92 at yahoo.com (Michael R. Davis) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 04:25:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [pm-h] Power::Outlet In-Reply-To: <54751469.3010107@att.net> References: <54751469.3010107@att.net> Message-ID: <147698193.1424553.1417321512844.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> >>>> Please let me know if you know of any system location standards. >>> As far as I know, there is no other way for a computer to know where it is located>> Geo::Local::Server ... implements two different standards to configure the location of the local server.? >> One is via an environment variable and >> one is via the file in /etc/local.coordinates.? > From: Mike Flannigan > It gives: > Error: None of the following supported coordinate standards are configured. >?? - Environment variable COORDINATES_WGS84_LON_LAT_HAE >?? - Filesystem /etc/local.coordiantes file?Mike, You just need to configure your system with either standard.? I updated the documentation and error messages. http://search.cpan.org/~mrdvt/Geo-Local-Server-0.05/lib/Geo/Local/Server.pm#CONFIGURATION Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: